Bannon's War Room - Episode 4261： Stopping The Cycle Of War In Gaza

00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:06.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:08.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:11.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:19.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:26.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:28.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:43.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:53.000 Back in the War Room with the great Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:56.000 Dave Bratt sitting in today with Ben Harnwell, our man in Rome.

00:01:03.000 Ben, you heard me going off on the Judeo-Christian West. 0.81

00:01:07.000 I think you're reporting on Europe today a little bit and misinformation in the press.

00:01:13.000 Misinformation, of course, depends on your point of view.

00:01:17.000 And so, Ben, what is your point of view?

00:01:19.000 Please share it with us.

00:01:22.000 Well, I'm not going to follow up on the points of misinformation just to make that absolutely clear.

00:01:26.000 But to respond to what you were saying before, just before the break, when you said about the 20, the 35 trillion debt and the 20 trillion GDP or whatever it was you were quoting.

00:01:38.000 Of course, the thing is, let's go with the debt of 35, 36 trillion.

00:01:45.000 That's not a static thing, is it?

00:01:48.000 If you're talking about growth in the economy over whatever, using that rule of 72 that you produced.

00:01:54.000 Yeah.

00:01:55.000 The debt is going to grow as well in accordance with whatever the interest rate is.

00:01:59.000 So, if you have interest rates at 2% for 35 years, then your debt is going to double as well, which I think should underline just how horrific this situation is.

00:02:10.000 Of course, in what 35-year period is your interest rate is going to stay on an average of 2%.

00:02:18.000 It's going to be more than that.

00:02:19.000 Right.

00:02:20.000 Right.

00:02:21.000 That is just an indication of how badly, well, not just Americans, basically every country winning central banking systems, how badly peoples in the West have been betrayed by their own government.

00:02:37.000 And governments who have sold them out to financial interests.

00:02:41.000 Look, I did have a few things to say on Ukraine.

00:02:46.000 Sadly, it's a thing I have to, it's a shame.

00:02:51.000 It's depressing to come on the show every day and talk about Ukraine because it is a horrific situation. 1.00

00:02:56.000 But as we approach the Munich Security Conference Friday, Saturday, Sunday of this week, there is every, all the main players are starting to come out and make their certain press statements.

00:03:10.000 And there are two key players in this, Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky have come out in the last 24 hours.

00:03:16.000 And I just wanted to update the Warren Posse on what each of those have said.

00:03:21.000 Now, and I'll be posting all the links, as I always do, that I bring on to the show.

00:03:26.000 I'll be posting these. If you go to the video clip on Rumble or my Ghetto account the following day, just follow it there.

00:03:34.000 And I have all of this if people want to. I recommend that they should go out and just read these things fully for themselves.

00:03:41.000 So here's what Donald Trump has said. This is a sort of really explosive intervention.

00:03:48.000 And he says that Ukraine may be Russian someday.

00:03:53.000 Precisely what he said is, and I have the full quote here, if I can just find it.

00:04:03.000 They may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday or they may not be Russian someday. 0.63

00:04:10.000 He also talks about the rare earth thing. And this is something I posted on quite a bit on on Ghetto.

00:04:17.000 I'm 100 percent against the idea that the U.S. should underwrite security guarantees for Ukraine's stability in the future based on some kind of exchange of rare earths and minerals.

00:04:31.000 It seems to be to be a retread of Kuwait from 30 years ago. I've been pretty solid on this.

00:04:39.000 Hey, Ben, let me ask you on the on the President Trump statement.

00:04:43.000 I mean, I read that and it seems to me he's getting into his leverage position like, you know, the Ukrainians have been waiting to make a deal since 15.

00:04:55.000 Right. There's Minsk agreements. There's there's agreements in Turkey.

00:05:02.000 There's agreements where the Ukrainians could have come off much better. Right. 1.00

00:05:06.000 Just giving up a couple of territories. Now it's four territories and might go all the way over to Kiev in the river.

00:05:12.000 Is that what he's doing by saying that? Is he saying, hey, folks, you can negotiate right now or the Russians are going to keep moving west on you and it ain't going to be my fault?

00:05:24.000 That's the question, Dave. Let me say let me read out what President Trump has said about this in the last 24 hours and then I'll come back and get my interpretation on that based around the question you just asked.

00:05:37.000 He said we are going to have all this money in there. And I say I want it back.

00:05:42.000 And I told them that I want the equivalent like 500 billion worth of rare earth.

00:05:48.000 And they have essentially agreed to that. So at least we don't feel stupid. So that's what President Trump said. 0.96

00:05:54.000 Now, your question, I think, is perfectly reasonable. The problem is we're not just simply dealing with President Trump trying to negotiate in America's best interests.

00:06:04.000 He is surrounded by people. I don't mean his advisers. I mean, the whole system, the whole bureaucratic swamp by the military industrial complex.

00:06:13.000 These are the whole interest. The whole of America today is designed to exploit its taxpayers on given causes.

00:06:23.000 So it's not a case that Donald Trump might try and negotiate in the interest of business, American business, to get access, preferential treatment to all these rare earths.

00:06:33.000 The problem is that the moment he signs that thing, no one man can oversee, not even like a cabinet, can oversee all of the interactions of a huge federal bureaucracy the size of America's.

00:06:47.000 The moment he signs that and then moves on to the next urgent thing, you're going to have all the grifters, all the swamp coming in trying to exploit that.

00:06:54.000 So that the system is itself inherently stay unstable because people are always going to be trying to make money out of it.

00:07:01.000 Now, I mentioned the military industrial complex. Let me say, I wasn't planning on mentioning this on the show, but your question is so pertinent.

00:07:11.000 Here's what General Keith Kellogg, who we're mentioning him every day now on the show, he's been on the show, he's a friend of the war room, he's been on the show many times.

00:07:22.000 Steve talks very, very highly about him. He's President Trump's envoy, special envoy to Ukraine.

00:07:28.000 This is something he said in the last 24 hours that the US is going to be pushing your European allies to buy more arms for Ukraine.

00:07:40.000 This is what he says specifically, Dave. The US always likes selling weapons made in America because it strengthens our economy.

00:07:48.000 He's supportive of this. I'm not. I mean, it seems to me a pretty open admission here that what General Kellogg is saying, this is something that we said on the war for the last three years of this war, that it was basically engineered.

00:08:06.000 We provoked Russia into this. NATO provoked, America provoked Russia into this war because it was good for the US arms manufacturing industry. 0.80

00:08:16.680 I don't think anyone expected it to roll on to the degree that it did do.

00:08:23.160 Yeah. Let me let me ask you a question there, Ben, because the in economics, that, of course, is not true. Right.

00:08:31.600 Milton Friedman has kind of the famous funny quip.

00:08:35.160 If you want full employment, just have everyone in your country dig ditches with teaspoons just to heighten the absurdity that will get you full employment.

00:08:44.240 Everybody will be working, digging ditches with teaspoons. Right.

00:08:48.040 And so that clearly is not good for your economy. Right.

00:08:50.960 You have full employment, but there's no productivity.

00:08:53.320 And so if you think investing in bombs that were blowing up regularly and shooting into Russia is good for the economy, that that's the opposite of what I'm getting at.

00:09:03.540 When I bring up that solo model in capital equipment, we need to put capital in the hands of American workers. 0.99

00:09:09.140 Right. And so you can make the argument of government spending also adds to economic growth.

00:09:16.460 Right. You can do all green energy stuff.

00:09:19.180 You can do totally futile stuff by shoving it into G in macroeconomics, government spending.

00:09:24.620 And that does nothing for economic growth.

00:09:27.840 And so, you know, I know what he might be saying in the short run.

00:09:31.040 You're going to get a little spurt to growth the way we count it.

00:09:34.800 But it's terrible for your long run economy.

00:09:36.920 Ben.

00:09:38.620 Let's be precise.

00:09:39.840 It's good for the U.S. arms manufacturing industry.

00:09:43.200 Yes. Right.

00:09:44.120 Yes. Right.

00:09:45.000 It's very, it's very good for that.

00:09:47.780 They're forcing Europeans, bludgeoning and bullying Europeans or whoever to buy U.S. made arms equipment. 0.97

00:09:57.420 Well, it's going to be very good for the U.S. manufacturing industry.

00:10:02.820 Obviously, from your perspective, from an American perspective, at least American taxpayers aren't going to be having to put up the bill.

00:10:10.880 But, of course, the problem is that the more you have this military industrial complex subsuming itself within American society, civilian life, the political structure and the economy, the more dangerous that is.

00:10:28.720 Because all it's going to do is exactly what it did do now, which is go out looking for another war because, you know, inventory needs to be replaced.

00:10:37.120 There's no good having bombs on the shelves in the factories.

00:10:39.600 Ben, I want to get back to your, let's get back to your thesis here.

00:10:44.880 And the reason I talked about misinformation up front is because I'd hate to see President Trump get trapped into this idea that more weapons are going to win the war.

00:10:54.300 Right.

00:10:54.440 That's been the life from Blinken and the State Department and the deep state and the administrative state for years.

00:11:00.900 Since we toppled the Ukrainian regime in 14, we've been hearing these lies about, you know, all we're weakening Russia, supposedly, by killing a million young boys, right, dead and injured.

00:11:14.820 A million dead. 0.94

00:11:16.600 It's sickening.

00:11:18.020 And so the misinformation I'm getting at is, you know, why would we want to spend more money on weapons for this war that we've already lost and Russia's, by the day, moving west?

00:11:31.380 And so that's the misinformation machine coming out of our media, who it turns out has been paid for, especially 90 percent in Ukraine by USAID, et cetera, in the deep state.

00:11:41.960 They've altered that message.

00:11:44.260 And that's hit that one for us, Ben.

00:11:46.440 How do we how do we message and who's delivering the news to President Trump?

00:11:52.580 Well, I hope one of the sources of his information is this show.

00:11:57.760 Yeah.

00:11:58.360 President Trump does have some good people around him in other areas, in other sectors.

00:12:04.220 When it comes to Ukraine, I'm increasingly having a question mark.

00:12:07.980 And he's got some great and I'm not going to name them, but he has some great guys that will all be household names.

00:12:14.540 Sure.

00:12:14.920 To the war of the posse, standing by his elbow and feeding advice.

00:12:18.920 The problem is that when I see that the statements are rising on the back of that advice, I can't help but disagree with it.

00:12:27.400 Look, the point about the military industrial complex, it's basically the wolf, right, in Little Red Riding Hood.

00:12:34.760 And you're basically you're there at the end of the nursery rhyme saying, Grandma, what big teeth do you have?

00:12:40.800 And that is the fear that the American taxpaying public should have towards this huge industry.

00:12:49.300 And you asked me how you get you get you asked me how you get to this situation where you can pretty much write off every single congressman and every, you know,

00:12:57.280 your old colleagues and every single senator, bar one or two exceptions, because they're just that these people are bought and paid for by all the various interests and lobbies.

00:13:09.100 The only voice in American politics today that is genuinely trying to represent the interests of the ordinary, non-politically aligned taxpayer, the ordinary, regular working guy is MAGA.

00:13:22.780 Yeah, that's right.

00:13:24.660 And the only person, the only person that I would suggest in elected office that this movement has pushed forward is the president himself.

00:13:32.700 So you have the president there.

00:13:33.800 Hey, Ben, yep, I got to get to the supporters of the show.

00:13:38.460 Give us your coordinates, Ben Harnwell.

00:13:40.240 Thank you.

00:13:41.820 OK, so I'm going to put these three articles up on my on the rumble clip.

00:13:46.680 Getter at Harnwell, Dave.

00:13:48.840 Thanks very much.

00:13:49.680 God bless you.

00:13:50.180 You did a great job.

00:13:52.100 Great job, Ben.

00:13:53.120 Great job.

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00:16:39.980 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:48.880 Back in the warm with the great Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:51.600 Dave Bratt sitting in today.

00:16:53.160 We have a very special guest for you today.

00:16:56.880 Much anticipated.

00:16:58.320 The great Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:59.960 Steve, great to have you on.

00:17:02.860 Thanks, Dave.

00:17:04.540 Thanks for stepping in.

00:17:05.980 We got Sam Faddis.

00:17:07.080 And we're going to have, I guess, the King of Jordan is going to arrive.

00:17:10.080 Can we get the shot?

00:17:10.980 Real America's Voice put up.

00:17:12.380 We got that great camera that sits right there outside.

00:17:15.140 Let's go and take it.

00:17:16.380 I don't need to see.

00:17:17.020 I don't need to see Brad.

00:17:18.440 I'd rather see the driveway.

00:17:20.840 There we are.

00:17:23.140 They're full screen.

00:17:24.400 Let me describe this once again to our audience.

00:17:27.460 That building and back, I want everybody to understand, that is the old, I think, State Department, War Department.

00:17:33.940 That is the executive office building.

00:17:36.240 That's where Peter Navarro, that's where probably 90% of the White House staff is there.

00:17:41.380 Because the West Wing is very small as far as offices go.

00:17:45.640 There's probably under, I don't know, 30, maybe 40 people working the entire West Wing, maybe 50.

00:17:51.980 Not including the press, which is jammed down, which I've always recommended getting the press out of there.

00:17:56.160 But they're jammed down where the old pull used to be.

00:17:58.360 Right here, once again, that's the working entrance to the West Wing.

00:18:03.540 Now, this is where the vast majority of dignitaries come.

00:18:07.460 There's a little room right there when you walk in, a little reception room.

00:18:12.260 And it's right next to the Roosevelt Room and right across from the Oval Office.

00:18:15.860 So you can't be more than 50 feet away from the Oval Office.

00:18:18.500 That's where they bring folks up here.

00:18:19.740 The King of Jordan is coming.

00:18:22.100 And Dave Brett and Sam Faddis, the King of Jordan, who's been a tremendous ally

00:18:26.880 to the United States for many, many decades, is really in a bind right now.

00:18:33.080 I mean, Sam, you spent your career over there.

00:18:36.220 Sam was in the CIA back when the CIA actually got business taken care of.

00:18:41.860 Sam, you've spent a big part of your career in the region.

00:18:45.900 The King of Jordan is under a little pressure, right?

00:18:47.960 Because President Trump's Gaza plan is, of the 2 million folks in Gaza, Palestinians, 0.56

00:18:54.880 I guess he wants a million to go to Jordan and a million to go to Egypt.

00:18:59.340 I think Egypt's just made an announcement about that.

00:19:01.680 They're not enthusiastic.

00:19:02.840 In fact, I think they're talking about something,

00:19:04.740 Trip or something associated with President Trump.

00:19:06.740 That's not going to happen.

00:19:07.940 And Sam, President Trump threw down yesterday in the Oval during his press availability.

00:19:12.660 He said, hey, all hostages released by noon.

00:19:17.400 And President Trump said, I think they're all dead, but I want to know their bodies or whatever.

00:19:21.340 All hostages by noon.

00:19:23.040 If it doesn't happen, all hell's going to break loose.

00:19:26.200 Sam Faddis, you first, then I'll get Brad's thoughts on the Holy Lancer.

00:19:31.400 Well, look, as usual, I think what Donald Trump is brilliant at is getting to the heart of the matter, right?

00:19:36.360 So when you talk about Gaza, if you want a different result, 0.58

00:19:40.300 if you don't want a perpetual repetition of these cycles of violence,

00:19:44.740 you've got to change the facts on the ground.

00:19:48.360 So Gaza is a non-viable state under the control of a terrorist organization on the border of Israel.

00:19:54.420 Going forward and leaving Hamas there and those people there, 1.00

00:19:58.560 we're just going to repeat this over and over.

00:20:00.780 So what he's looking at is, okay, let's get these people

00:20:03.800 who are effectively in a giant refugee camp elsewhere.

00:20:08.320 Jordan, which is theoretically, at least in part, a Palestinian state,

00:20:12.820 is a natural candidate for that, and the George's are very good allies of ours.

00:20:19.080 Here's the problem, though, Steve, as you well know.

00:20:22.420 The George's don't like the Palestinians. 0.98

00:20:24.200 They'll talk all day about their rights and stand enough for them.

00:20:27.280 They just don't want to live with them, just like all the rest of the Arab states. 1.00

00:20:30.380 The Egyptians don't want them either. 0.97

00:20:31.660 I mean, so you whine and whinge all day, but then you say,

00:20:35.440 okay, well, let's bring these people to a better condition and have them on your soil, 1.00

00:20:39.900 and immediately they're like, whoa, wait a minute, buddy.

00:20:42.680 I didn't mean that.

00:20:44.220 Somebody else should take care of these guys.

00:20:46.760 So that's what we're up against.

00:20:47.460 Hang on, Sam.

00:20:48.300 Sam, hang on one second.

00:20:49.740 I just want to tell the audience, the color guard, that's always,

00:20:51.860 let's go to that bigger shot, the director.

00:20:54.720 Let's go to the bigger shot of the, yeah, when the color guard comes out,

00:20:57.800 now the color guard's in place, and we love showing you this stuff

00:21:01.700 because Real America's Voice now, we have three White House correspondents.

00:21:05.100 You got Amanda Head, you got our Natalie Winters, and you got, of course, Brian Glenn.

00:21:10.220 So we've got a real apparatus over there and producers and cameramen.

00:21:14.060 This is the shot of Dave and Sam in position, the color guard,

00:21:18.380 always render honors to those dignitaries that arrive in kind of an official capacity.

00:21:23.560 Sam, you know this area, and I don't, but aren't most in the kingdom of Jordan,

00:21:34.620 aren't most of the residents there actually Palestinians already, sir?

00:21:39.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:40.880 That's exactly true.

00:21:42.720 So there is a very strong argument to be made that, okay, well,

00:21:46.360 this is the natural place where these guys ought to be living,

00:21:48.500 and not jammed together in this tiny little ghetto between Israel and the sea.

00:21:55.380 But again, from the standpoint of the Jordanians, from the Jords,

00:22:01.700 and frankly, all the rest of the Arab states,

00:22:04.480 they regard these folks as troublemakers and problems,

00:22:07.680 and they're going to bring with them all of these terrorist groups,

00:22:10.960 and so you're going to set fire to Jordan is the way they look at it.

00:22:13.980 So that, you know, that's the conundrum.

00:22:17.900 It's going to be a tough nut to crack here convincing the Jords 0.99

00:22:21.500 why they should take all of these folks.

00:22:25.120 Keep in mind that a significant number of them, one way or the other,

00:22:28.480 cooperate with or participate in Hamas.

00:22:31.680 Nobody wants those guys in their neighborhood. 0.96

00:22:33.580 Dave Bratt, you're very close to the evangelical community.

00:22:40.560 You're down at one of the great universities,

00:22:43.080 evangelical universities in the country, Liberty University.

00:22:47.280 What are your thoughts about this?

00:22:48.940 President Trump, and he upended the apple cart.

00:22:51.920 I mean, to Sam's point,

00:22:54.380 what we've been doing for decades and decades and decades has not been working.

00:22:58.420 Anything we've tried to do is very small, incremental.

00:23:00.500 President Trump, and you can tell, folks, you can tell in President Trump right now,

00:23:04.240 he's not thinking incremental.

00:23:05.720 Everything he's doing,

00:23:06.800 if you look at every one of these verticals in the action items,

00:23:10.420 he's going big.

00:23:11.660 I mean, everywhere from rethinking, you know,

00:23:14.820 the Monroe Doctrine 2.0 from the Panama Canal to Greenland to the Arctic Circle,

00:23:19.500 talking about Canada.

00:23:21.160 He's sent, you know, in the Ukraine with the deal he's thinking about there.

00:23:26.740 It's a whole new day.

00:23:28.200 So, Brad, being an evangelical and being so close to the evangelical Christians

00:23:34.740 that support Israel so fervently,

00:23:37.620 what are your thoughts on this Gaza situation?

00:23:42.260 Yeah, well, just first, I mean, Sam Fattis just teed it all up.

00:23:46.160 We're not dealing with some inequity between, you know,

00:23:49.300 two viable nation states where all the rules of the game are at play.

00:23:53.820 And then secondarily, I was going to have Sam on to talk about maybe he wants to comment on this.

00:23:58.660 But after USAID and the exposure of the deep state and, you know,

00:24:04.300 the exposure to the CIA and the State Department,

00:24:08.720 what you just said, this has been going on for 30, 40 years, right?

00:24:13.480 And then Hamas is being used by Iran.

00:24:15.980 Iran's in with the evil axis with Russia and China. 0.94

00:24:20.600 And so right now, I think the new thing is, Steve, you were just saying Trump's going big

00:24:25.820 on everything from the economy to geopolitics.

00:24:29.080 And so with respect to Israel, this one is kind of a different issue based on the ethics after World

00:24:35.620 War II.

00:24:36.200 This will not happen again.

00:24:37.940 So Israel is in a unique position.

00:24:40.340 They've been our good friend.

00:24:41.520 There's a special relationship, which goes back to Abraham, on the religious front.

00:24:46.780 But this is more of a hardcore, you know, John Mearsheimer, real politique equation.

00:24:52.800 And it's just clear what Sam was just saying.

00:24:55.400 Hamas and that little piece of turf is not going to work out. 0.98

00:24:59.620 And so Trump's going to get it right.

00:25:01.980 He's been going hardcore messaging on everyone right now.

00:25:05.520 And so if Sam wants to go off a little bit more on the on the loss of trust in our geopolitics,

00:25:11.720 I think that's going to frame the way forward.

00:25:15.400 Well, I think even Egypt's signaling today and Egypt's been Egypt's been, you know, our ally.

00:25:21.840 President Trump cut off, I think, weapons to the Middle East or all foreign aid.

00:25:26.520 And he didn't cut off Israel or Egypt.

00:25:28.420 I understand there's some rumblings in Egypt right now with this Gaza situation.

00:25:32.760 I mean, Sam, can you actually tell you, is it practical what the president's talking about?

00:25:36.840 Because he was adamant yesterday, he says, hey, they're not coming back.

00:25:40.440 You know, I want Egypt to take a million. 0.98

00:25:42.220 I want Jordan to take a million. 0.98

00:25:44.040 Is that practical in your mind or just Trump's changing the paradigm here so people are just going to have to figure it out?

00:25:53.260 Well, I think the key is what you just said last, Steve.

00:25:56.280 What Trump is saying is wherever we're going next, we ain't going back.

00:26:00.860 We are not going to go back and just keep repeating this cycle of having this non-viable state,

00:26:06.840 millions of people jammed into a refugee camp under the control of a known terrorist organization,

00:26:12.040 pretending like we will live in peace.

00:26:14.300 So wherever we're going, it's going to be radically different.

00:26:17.160 And I think that, again, as part of his genius, right, is we're going to shake the situation up

00:26:22.920 and we're going to use our leverage, will it come down precisely the way he first proposed?

00:26:30.700 I doubt it.

00:26:32.060 But in the process, by breaking the mold, I think we go to something fundamentally different.

00:26:37.280 Back to, I mean, I know I've said this already twice, that the central problem is here that all of these Arab states, 1.00

00:26:44.040 while they will talk all day about their love for the Palestinian cause and how abusive the Israelis are, 0.69

00:26:51.980 when you start talking about putting those guys in their neighborhood,

00:26:56.520 they look at you with a look of horror.

00:26:59.440 And quite frankly, what comes out of their mouths is what sounds like a lot of really racist verbiage, 0.91

00:27:06.540 and essentially refer to these people as animals and terrorists, and no, they are not coming on our soil.

00:27:13.220 Now, so it's going to take some big inducements to get them over that.

00:27:17.860 The U.S. is really going to have to make it worth their while.

00:27:23.200 Sam, I've got you here in Dave, brilliant book in Sam today, Before the King Arrives,

00:27:29.740 although it is going to be closed to press.

00:27:32.200 It's a real America's voice.

00:27:33.180 We're going to eat the footage as we do every day.

00:27:34.800 Right, and you know, President Trump has a press avail every time.

00:27:37.620 These are called bilats, bilateral meetings, where a dignitary, a head of state, arrives.

00:27:42.960 President Trump goes in, takes him into the Oval, spends a few minutes privately, then brings the media in for photos.

00:27:49.980 There's always questions thrown.

00:27:51.800 President Trump normally engages with the dignitary.

00:27:54.820 Saw in Japan last week.

00:27:58.720 By the way, Modi's coming, I think, on Thursday.

00:28:00.920 That'll be a big deal, too.

00:28:02.000 Sam, you wrote a book, was it 12, 14 years ago?

00:28:06.220 What was the title of that book?

00:28:08.440 Beyond Repair, The Decline and Fall of the CIA.

00:28:13.380 Beyond Repair.

00:28:14.180 And how long were you, you were a professional at the CIA for how long?

00:28:18.560 I was undercover at CIA for 20 years and another 10 after that with other parts of the intelligence community.

00:28:25.300 So, Sam, when you wrote, what, 12, 14 years ago is Beyond Repair.

00:28:33.440 Given that as a baseline, where is the CIA today on the baseline it was Beyond Repair a dozen years ago, sir?

00:28:42.000 So, you know, leaving aside for the moment issues about politicization and DEI and so forth.

00:28:50.040 CIA basically hardly has a pulse these days.

00:28:54.060 I mean, if you talk to guys inside, as I do all the time, the level of operational activity, maybe they're moving at 10 percent of the speed they did when I was there in terms of numbers of assets and collection of intelligence.

00:29:09.900 So this is one of the great challenges, Steve, is that, you know, after we break the place and fire a bunch of people, I hope, and regain control and get them away from American politics, et cetera, building a viable organization that actually keeps Americans safe in their beds at night is going to be a challenge.

00:29:31.680 They're almost out of business overseas.

00:29:33.900 Now, they're really good at still meddling in politics in Washington, D.C., but you want to ask them, what's the exact status of the Iranian nuclear weapons program right now?

00:29:45.980 Don't think you're going to get much in the way of grit or detail.

00:29:49.280 Were they caught unaware on October 7th with the CIA on top of things?

00:29:56.240 They have partners in the Middle East.

00:29:58.260 They have Mossad.

00:29:59.660 They have, was it Shen, whatever, the Israeli military intelligence, which I think the insiders will say is Shen Ben is better than Mossad.

00:30:07.340 You've got Egyptian intelligence.

00:30:11.100 You've got Saudi intelligence.

00:30:12.380 You have MBZs, UAE. 1.00

00:30:14.200 You've got some pretty good intelligence services, or at least they purport to be the elite of the elite.

00:30:20.320 How were all those elites, including CIA and DNI, what's the probability?

00:30:26.020 It almost seems beyond comprehension that they were all caught totally unawares of a ragtag Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, that did a, you know, air-sea land battle over 40 miles. 0.89

00:30:38.180 Sir, that at least took them two years to train for?

00:30:40.220 Yeah, it is almost beyond comprehension because, again, this was a massive assault.

00:30:45.380 So it's not like six guys in a basement cooked up an idea overnight.

00:30:50.540 Two problems there.

00:30:51.860 I mean, one is it's great to rely on the Israelis or the Jordanians or whoever, but at best, at best, assuming they're telling you the truth, that means the only thing you know is what the Israelis and the Jordanians know. 0.77

00:31:05.060 So you need to collect your own intelligence in addition to that.

00:31:10.220 And I've seen this multiple times in my career where we actually had a better sense from our sources than the guys on the ground.

00:31:17.780 What's the problem with the Israelis? 1.00

00:31:19.040 I think the problem with the Israelis is this is how we get in these intelligence failures. 1.00

00:31:23.040 People at the top had arrived at a conclusion that Hamas had walked away from the idea of this kind of attack.

00:31:33.040 And then since the people at the top arrived at that conclusion, then every piece of evidence that is provided to them by intel, they cherry pick it.

00:31:42.600 You know, we've seen this over and over, right?

00:31:44.860 You reach your conclusion first and then you look at the evidence, ignore what doesn't fit with your preconceived notion.

00:31:52.800 And the next thing you know, you're well, you've got it and you're getting a surprise attack.

00:31:57.620 And in the aftermath, you look at it and you say, look, there are stacks of intel here, man.

00:32:02.020 I mean, we can go back to Pearl Harbor this way, right?

00:32:04.020 The fact that the Japanese were going to stage a surprise attack and start the war had been contemplated for decades.

00:32:12.500 And yet somehow we allowed them to do it.

00:32:15.800 And it had been actually gamed out.

00:32:18.480 OK, a couple of things on this.

00:32:19.940 Number one, the CIA, the issue I have with it having been inside for a while is that inside the government, they're everywhere.

00:32:28.060 In fact, I would respectfully submit.

00:32:31.140 By the way, I think that's the press may be part of it being wrangled right now.

00:32:34.700 So we should be getting closer to the king of Jordan arriving for an official visit with President Trump.

00:32:41.360 As President Trump has put a 12 noon, high noon, Jerusalem time on Saturday for the return of all the hostages.

00:32:49.200 Hostages, Sam, he says, and Dave, he believes they're all dead.

00:32:53.840 But he wants a full accounting by noon or, quote, all hell is going to break loose, unquote.

00:32:58.560 He's ratcheting it up a little bit there.

00:33:02.160 So the interagency process, right, which is the way that everybody signs off on everything.

00:33:08.900 And people should know that the National Security Council, they're seconded.

00:33:12.780 These detaillees are called a seconded probably two-thirds to 75 percent of the National Security Council, which, by the way, folks, a lot of those are housed in that building.

00:33:22.520 You're looking right there.

00:33:23.120 That's the executive office building, that building, the Eisenhower building is called now, it's really called the EOB, is inside the White House compound.

00:33:30.720 That's inside the gates.

00:33:32.420 In fact, Pennsylvania Avenue is now blocked off because of terrorism potential.

00:33:36.900 And you've got EOB.

00:33:38.200 That's where the vast majority of the White House staff, including the National Security Council, some of the top officials are next to the president.

00:33:46.120 A couple are – there are some down in the actual military command center.

00:33:50.260 Most are over there.

00:33:51.660 The interagency process, Sam, is where I believe the CIA controls the deal because the CIA has people everywhere, DHS, DOJ, FBI, Defense Department.

00:34:03.900 Has that always been the case?

00:34:06.460 Well, I think it has been the case for a long time, and it's just getting worse all the time.

00:34:10.760 And they do exert a tremendous amount of influence, not – they're pervasive, but also they constantly retreat behind this curtain of that's classified.

00:34:20.400 So they say things in meetings like, it's our assessment that such and such, and that sounds as if it's based in something significant and carries this weight and this aura.

00:34:31.600 And, you know, in most of those meetings, nobody then says, stop talking to me about your assessment.

00:34:39.760 Who's the source that you're relying on?

00:34:42.260 Exactly what is his access and how the hell does he actually know any of that?

00:34:46.860 Because in a shocking number of cases, what you're going to find is you're relying almost on what we would call rummant.

00:34:54.420 You've got a source who heard it thirdhand from a guy that may or may not be telling the truth in the first place.

00:35:00.500 But because it's classified in air quotes, nobody asks those questions ever.

00:35:07.080 And it gives them a tremendous amount of leverage.

00:35:09.480 I mean, everything that goes on with CIA and this administration needs to get down to brass tacks.

00:35:14.720 I mean, Radcliffe and company over there need to be saying, stop talking to me about the status of the Iranian nuclear program.

00:35:20.560 Put your cards on the table.

00:35:22.040 Who are your sources?

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00:37:45.240 How do they know anything?

00:37:47.720 Why am I paying any attention to these guys?

00:37:50.780 What's the point of origin of this?

00:37:52.980 Stop speaking in generalities to me.

00:37:58.000 We are awaiting the King of Jordan, who's going to arrive momentarily.

00:38:04.780 That is the West Wing.

00:38:05.640 That's the official kind of meeting place for dignitaries to come to the West Wing.

00:38:11.460 That's the honor guard that always comes out in advance.

00:38:13.700 Looks like the press has been wrangled.

00:38:15.700 So we're probably on the short notice.

00:38:17.560 It was supposed to be 1130, running a few minutes late.

00:38:20.700 Every now and again, the president will actually meet them at the residence,

00:38:23.680 which is the circular driveway.

00:38:25.040 It would be behind your right shoulder if you were at the camera right now.

00:38:28.820 It's over the residence in back of us on this shot.

00:38:31.740 And every now and again, he will meet a dignitary, normally when it's some sort of state function,

00:38:37.140 meet him at the actual residence, which is a couple of hundred yards away.

00:38:41.080 But this is where mainly the business takes place.

00:38:43.640 Sam, if you were to talk to Ratcliffe, I mean, look, it's a wilderness of mirrors.

00:38:49.940 You taught me that. 0.66

00:38:51.800 The CIA guys professionally are taught to be professional liars.

00:38:55.640 That's their craft.

00:38:57.260 How's a guy like Ratcliffe, and he's a very savvy guy.

00:39:00.280 I think he's been DNI, very highly regarded by President Trump and very involved in this area for years.

00:39:06.720 How is a guy like that to survive?

00:39:09.600 Because you go over to CIA, I think you take your own self and maybe a couple, three, you know, body men,

00:39:15.760 but you don't get to really take out that you should or have the option,

00:39:19.440 but you literally land with a landing team that's a handful of people.

00:39:23.240 So how's a guy like Ratcliffe supposed to do the deconstruction of the CIA, sir?

00:39:30.280 Look, I think he needs to start by, and as you've suggested, this is a really difficult process.

00:39:36.800 You've got to start by removing a number of folks at the top positions in the organization

00:39:42.880 and replacing them with his own people.

00:39:46.620 And if they're going to help you through the maze and mirrors,

00:39:50.380 they're going to have to be folks that know the ground and know the terrain and know how the place works.

00:39:57.220 You know, look, we have cataloged, you and I have had this conversation a zillion times,

00:40:04.440 cataloged all the issues with CIA over the course of years, going back to the least as far as Obama.

00:40:10.660 The top ranks of that organization are filled with people who were part of those scandals.

00:40:15.880 And even if they didn't actively participate, they sat and watched and didn't do anything.

00:40:22.320 Nobody resigned in protest.

00:40:24.020 Nobody went, nobody spoke out.

00:40:26.220 So if you think you're going to trust those same people to guide you through reform,

00:40:32.200 you're sadly mistaken.

00:40:33.580 And I would be very surprised that Ratcliffe feels that way.

00:40:36.260 He's no dummy.

00:40:37.040 He's a sharp fellow.

00:40:38.820 So that is the challenge.

00:40:40.740 You can't rely on those same people and say, OK, you've been here for 20 years and created all these issues.

00:40:46.720 Now tell me how to fix them.

00:40:47.880 That will never work.

00:40:52.520 Elon Musk is a blunt force instrument.

00:40:55.220 He's in control of a blunter force instrument.

00:40:58.240 That would be Doge.

00:40:59.500 What would your recommendation be?

00:41:00.940 Because they are looking to get into D&I, which is the 17 agencies.

00:41:05.280 CIA nominally reports them, but they don't control it.

00:41:07.760 The CIA runs the deal.

00:41:08.820 But what would your recommendation be both to the Doge leaders and to Elon Musk himself about what you would recommend he would do with the intelligence community, especially the CIA?

00:41:22.660 Well, look, more broadly, when it comes to the intelligence community, my opinion has always been could start by getting rid of the D&I and that entire layer of bureaucracy.

00:41:33.360 We added that after 9-11.

00:41:35.400 It didn't fix anything.

00:41:36.540 It made everything worse.

00:41:37.640 So what you want to look for saving a lot of money and speeding it up, get rid of those guys.

00:41:42.500 In terms of CIA, 100 percent, they should go in there and be just as direct as they've been everywhere else.

00:41:49.940 They can get people cleared to handle that stuff.

00:41:53.540 And you're absolutely right, by the way.

00:41:54.920 I mean, CIA doesn't really answer to the D&I.

00:41:58.680 I mean, it is at CIA, D&I is regarded as largely irrelevant.

00:42:02.940 You pay lip service.

00:42:04.620 Somebody's got to go to a meeting with the D&I.

00:42:06.640 You send the person you can spare from headquarters, the person who you don't care about.

00:42:12.040 They go down there so somebody can sit in the chair.

00:42:14.660 None of those meetings are taken seriously.

00:42:16.400 So you're going to have to go right into CIA and wade in.

00:42:19.640 And I think you take a brass tacks approach.

00:42:21.940 You guys aren't here to be a self-licking ice cream cone.

00:42:26.180 Every dollar we spend is supposed to make Americans safer.

00:42:28.960 So how are you doing that exactly?

00:42:31.820 Let's just start in a country, anywhere.

00:42:35.320 Start with a problem.

00:42:36.420 Start with a target. 0.55

00:42:38.180 How the heck is it that four or five years, whatever it is, after COVID, you still can't tell me where the frigging disease came from with any certainty?

00:42:47.000 How is it that you were incapable of warning us about that?

00:42:51.240 That's your real job, not to do postmortems five years later, but to tell us that they're developing a biological weapon. 0.53

00:42:57.200 That's what you were built for.

00:43:00.160 How many people did you fire after COVID and you didn't have any penetrations of the Wuhan lab, apparently, because you provided no warning?

00:43:10.400 You know, that kind of approach.

00:43:12.140 Same kind of approach he's taken everywhere else in the U.S.

00:43:14.160 Sam, just think in the last couple of weeks.

00:43:17.700 What about the shock?

00:43:19.560 Look, it's a Sputnik.

00:43:20.660 Even if it's a Chinese PSYOP, it is still a Sputnik moment. 0.92

00:43:24.820 I mean, this whole controversy of AI, now you've got Elon putting $100 billion offering to get open AI.

00:43:31.320 He thinks they're incompetent.

00:43:32.320 My point is hundreds of billions of dollars of the U.S. government have gone in that this is the modern weapon.

00:43:37.760 As much as biological warfare and chemical warfare, this artificial intelligence warfare is changing the face of warfare.

00:43:43.520 How could the CIA, my understanding is that our entire intelligence community, once again, was caught by surprise by some advance of Chinese technology, which was predicated upon stuff they stole out of American universities and companies. 0.84

00:43:58.080 This is what drives me nuts.

00:43:59.500 How do they answer that, sir?

00:44:00.720 Well, I think the short version is they're not being made to answer these questions, but they 100% should be, right?

00:44:11.820 Let's go back to when CIA—I mean, in the aftermath of World War II, when the OSS morphed into being CIA.

00:44:18.900 That's a little simplistic, but let's just go with that.

00:44:21.500 Okay, what was the central reason so that we would never experience another Pearl Harbor?

00:44:26.840 That was the reason for the existence of it.

00:44:28.800 OSS was set up—that was a gentleman's—that was while Bill Donovan, who was a famous lawyer close to FDR, he put together basically a group of action-oriented lawyers, investment bankers, principally Ivy League.

00:44:41.360 That would be some kind of, you know, league of involved gentlemen in World War II to be commandos, spies, all of that.

00:44:49.220 And they had this kind of daring-do and legendary run in World War II.

00:44:53.500 And then at the end of World War II, understanding we had had many intelligence failures, folks, the intelligence failures in World War II were legendary, and we had broken a bunch of codes.

00:45:05.020 The cryptology was state-of-the-art.

00:45:07.260 The intel was not.

00:45:08.720 We decided to do—the Wiseman decided to put together the CIA.

00:45:11.820 Is that basically the story, Sam?

00:45:13.200 Right, and it boils down to we will never experience another Pearl Harbor.

00:45:18.720 Okay, well, in other words, we'll never be hit—we'll never be blindsided by a surprise attack on that scale.

00:45:24.340 Okay, well, fast forward to 9-11.

00:45:26.660 What happened on 9-11?

00:45:28.460 We failed catastrophically.

00:45:30.820 Now, in the aftermath of that, how many people at the Central Intelligence Agency got fired?

00:45:36.560 How many senior-level guys were handed pink slips and told go away?

00:45:40.880 No, nobody lost their job.

00:45:44.000 And we added, in classic Washington fashion, we added another layer of bureaucracy on top of this, created the DNI, built a bunch of new buildings, and put a bunch of people in front of flat screen computer screens, you know, computer screens, and said, that's how we'll fix it.

00:46:01.320 No, that's not what fixes it.

00:46:02.900 What fixes it—what would have fixed it would be sources inside al-Qaeda in advance of that attack who would have told you what was coming, and you could have stopped it.

00:46:13.120 And by the way, I have seen that happen on the ground.

00:46:16.020 I have been in places where I was running shops where officers did precisely that, penetrated a terrorist group.

00:46:21.640 And you never heard about the terrorist attack because it never happened, because CIA did its job.

00:46:27.380 But clearly, on a strategic level, they are failing.

00:46:30.420 And that, again, you can't say to the same crowd of guys that have gotten us there, okay, let's change things.

00:46:39.700 I mean, you have to start by changing the folks.

00:46:43.960 Okay, let's hit reset for a second.

00:46:47.320 That beautiful picture you see right there from our camera of Real America's Voice is—that's the executive office building on the White House campus.

00:46:54.520 Right to your left is the portico in the driveway, circular driveway that comes up to the west wing.

00:47:00.760 This is the kind of the formal entrance for dignitaries and heads of state and important people come to see the president.

00:47:07.440 They go through—there's a small reception area of the Roosevelt Room.

00:47:11.900 The famous Roosevelt Room is right next to that.

00:47:14.600 They're led right over to the Oval Office.

00:47:17.820 These are called bilats and short-term bilateral meetings.

00:47:22.220 The president does a number of these.

00:47:25.020 Normally, if he's in town, maybe one a week.

00:47:28.500 And what traditionally happens is that the dignitary arrives.

00:47:33.340 The president meets him there in the anteroom.

00:47:35.500 They go into the Oval Office.

00:47:36.680 They spend a few minutes together catching up, talking about certain issues.

00:47:42.180 Then the president normally invites in the media.

00:47:45.520 It will be selective.

00:47:46.560 There will be a pool of media.

00:47:48.360 They have, I think, a couple hundred people now at the White House as far as correspondents and cameramen more.

00:47:55.720 So a select group comes in.

00:47:57.120 The pool will come in.

00:47:58.160 The pool photographers.

00:47:59.320 The pool videographers.

00:48:00.540 The cameramen plus what will be pool reporters.

00:48:05.040 And that kind of rotates every day.

00:48:07.000 You'll have some of the mainstream media.

00:48:08.700 You'll always have basically the paper of record, the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal.

00:48:13.960 And some of the big international papers, Financial Times of London.

00:48:16.760 And, of course, in a rotation, you'll have our own Brian Glenn and others from Real America's Voices.

00:48:22.680 And, quite frankly, the broader group of these new online services and podcasts, which are getting very prominent.

00:48:29.360 The president will say a few words.

00:48:31.140 The dignitary will say a few words.

00:48:32.620 They'll talk about some of the issues publicly and how the president's working things out.

00:48:35.920 And they're working together on certain things.

00:48:38.280 Then the press normally, and President Trump does this.

00:48:41.280 He allows the press to answer questions.

00:48:42.900 And that gets a little, that's like a scrum.

00:48:45.980 That's like a rugby scrum because they're fighting to get their questions in.

00:48:49.580 Biden was always overwhelmed by that.

00:48:51.400 President Trump is a man in full right now.

00:48:53.720 He's in total command.

00:48:55.180 I mean, yesterday, if you were with us for the evening show, Brian Glenn and the folks were in, the Real America's Voice team were in for the signing of the executive order.

00:49:02.940 So it took about 45 minutes.

00:49:05.200 President Trump had brilliant commentary on every executive order, plus sidebar.

00:49:10.700 And he dropped a few bombs, including what the meaning is today about Gaza and the situation with the Haasas. 0.54

00:49:17.280 President Trump is laying down the law in the Ukraine and in the Middle East.

00:49:20.760 He wants the shooting to stop.

00:49:22.240 He wants the wars to stop.

00:49:24.180 He's there.

00:49:24.880 He's a president of peace and prosperity.

00:49:27.440 And if he's got to enforce that a little bit, he's going to enforce it.

00:49:30.420 So he's got his negotiators over in the Ukraine right now or they're at the Munich Security Conference.

00:49:36.280 I think Zelensky is going to meet with J.D. Vance, Pete Hegsus over there.

00:49:41.280 I think there are going to be a couple other cabinet officials maybe haven't been announced yet.

00:49:44.480 President Trump's putting a big deal as General Kellogg.

00:49:47.180 You heard Ben Harnwell, who's watching this wall to wall a few minutes ago.

00:49:50.920 Jordan, Sam, and Dave, as you know, is a whole different deal.

00:49:54.800 I mean, if you've seen the movie Lawrence of Arabia, that magnificent desert that first plays is all – that's the Jordanian desert that's right on the border of Israel.

00:50:04.220 It's absolutely a magnificent country.

00:50:07.040 In fact, this royal family, I think, has been there since World War I, Sam, I believe.

00:50:11.980 The British installed them over basically a population that was, you know, Palestinians or the people from this area of the world.

00:50:20.420 That's why I think two-thirds of their population already are what we refer to as Palestinians.

00:50:25.540 President Trump says, hey, look, we're just not going to – this is not internal recurrence.

00:50:29.680 We're not just going to do this over and over and over again.

00:50:32.020 I'm Donald Trump.

00:50:33.020 I'm here for my second term, and we're going to do things differently, right?

00:50:36.680 And he's saying, hey, what I want to do is have basically Egypt take a million, the Jordanians take a million, and we're going to take what is basically Dresden in 1945 or Tokyo in 1945, kind of bombed out, and we're going to rehabilitate it, and we're going to do a world city with this great beach French property.

00:50:57.500 And look, some people go, it's crazy.

00:50:59.540 You've had tons of local people, Sam and Dave, local officials.

00:51:03.360 I think that Jordanians said, hey, we don't know if we're that excited about this. 1.00

00:51:07.520 Unfortunately, I believe 75 percent of Jordan's budget comes from the United States government or United States government affiliates.

00:51:15.580 So it's going to be a tough discussion, although the president thinks very highly of the king of Jordan.

00:51:22.160 You know, Jordan's had a great relationship with the United States for many, many, many decades.

00:51:26.040 The president thinks very highly of him.

00:51:27.920 But this will be a tough conversation, will it not, Sam Faddis?

00:51:30.560 It is going to be a very tough conversation because, as I said, I mean, it's not just that the Jordanians on some level don't like the Palestinians, which is true, unfortunately. 0.98

00:51:44.660 But they've had their problems with Palestinians causing violence on their soil.

00:51:50.520 It's not a theoretical thing for them.

00:51:53.040 I will say the Jordanians have been incredible friends in the United States for real in the field.

00:52:00.640 Sam, hang on a second.

00:52:01.480 The gates are opening right now.

00:52:03.380 That normally means that the Jordanian officials will be coming in a moment.

00:52:08.820 And, Sam, you're correct.

00:52:09.880 They have been as close as you can get an ally in that region.

00:52:14.080 They've been a pretty close ally.

00:52:15.760 Have they not?

00:52:16.360 Yeah, I mean, without going down roads that we can't go down on air.

00:52:21.480 I mean, when I was in the field, our cooperation with the Jordanians was superb, probably on a par with the Israelis, quite frankly, and way out in front of other Arab states.

00:52:35.200 So we should remember that.

00:52:36.440 Sam, given you spent your career, a lot of it over there, is it in worse shape today than when you started?

00:52:46.960 Is it the same?

00:52:48.060 Is it better?

00:52:50.360 I mean, were things ever this bad?

00:52:51.980 I remember when you had the United Arab Emirates.

00:52:54.240 You had, what, Egypt and Syria were under Nasser.

00:52:57.200 They were kind of split, but you had Arab nationalism.

00:53:00.520 Back when I was a kid delivering papers, you didn't really have this radical Islamic jihad.

00:53:05.140 And Arab nationalism, I didn't think was, as a kid, didn't look that bad.

00:53:09.620 It was looking at the Arab people trying to become, take their countries back, throw out the colonial powers, and kind of stand on their two legs, right?

00:53:16.780 You saw in North Africa, you saw the Algerians turfed out the French.

00:53:21.720 The Egyptians eventually turfed out the British in, you know, the Suez crisis.

00:53:26.360 Is it worse today?

00:53:27.760 Arab nationalism is a thing of the past and really has been replaced by radical Islamic jihad.

00:53:33.180 Well, I think radical Islamic jihad is the number one threat.

00:53:37.780 But, you know, what really strikes me, Steve, is that when Trump left at the end of his first term, we had the Abraham Accords.

00:53:45.200 And we were right on the precipice of ending these decades of violence in the Middle East and really completely transforming it.

00:53:53.920 We were right there.

00:53:54.660 It wasn't a theoretical thing.

00:53:55.900 It was happening.

00:53:58.160 And in four years, Biden's policies managed to take that place to the situation it is now.

00:54:07.700 I mean, let's keep in mind that, you know, looming behind all these other things we're talking about is the fact that, quite frankly, right now,

00:54:14.900 either the Iranians already have nuclear weapons or they stand on the verge of that.

00:54:19.860 So you're about to be witnessing a region with radical Islamic jihad and a whole bunch of nuclear weapons poured into the middle of it if we're not careful. 0.85

00:54:29.620 And again, as I said earlier, if you're thinking that American intelligence has such a good handle on that,

00:54:35.360 that they can tell you the exact state of play in that regard, you know, that's a fantasy.

00:54:40.700 I mean, they may pretend that they do.

00:54:42.760 The bottom line is they don't know that they don't already have the weapons.

00:54:45.600 You see, as much as Israel is fixated on Persia, and I realize the Persians are bad hombres, 1.00

00:54:53.460 I think the threat in the region, I just don't think people are getting it, is Turkey, Erdogan.

00:54:58.740 He wants to reestablish the Ottoman Empire.

00:55:00.720 He wants to reestablish the Caliphate. 0.96

00:55:02.480 He wants to go back to basically World War I in the thousand years before that.

00:55:07.240 With Qatar, who I think are the sleaziest guys there, they finance every, you know, they finance Muslim Brotherhood. 1.00

00:55:13.060 They finance, they do everything.

00:55:15.260 They're the nest of vipers, and I don't care how many people take money from them, right? 0.99

00:55:19.240 They're bad guys that are the financiers of radical Islamic jihad. 0.98

00:55:24.600 And they hate UAE, and they hate Saudi Arabia, and their partners, the financing partner, Erdogan.

00:55:31.840 And Erdogan's mission is to take control of the two holy sites.

00:55:35.260 That's what the, you can't be a caliphate, a true caliphate, until you control the two holy sites.

00:55:41.320 And I think this whole region is going to be in for decades and decades and decades of instability.

00:55:46.420 As I tell people, it doesn't matter if Israel was there or not there. 0.85

00:55:50.000 Israel, just another country, is going to get rolled up in this. 0.82

00:55:52.780 These people, this, not Islam, but radical Islam, literally hates, hates the West, hates the Judeo-Christian West. 0.56

00:56:01.780 And a lot of that, I think, precedes this.

00:56:05.120 Like I said, when we took over in 16 and 17, Sam, we were doing kind of the changeover and looking in the head.

00:56:11.020 It was near Palmyra, which is in Syria.

00:56:13.940 And on 1,000 yards, you know, you had the Persian militias on one side with Hezbollah.

00:56:18.140 You had the American Special Forces and CIA paramilitary with, like, the Syrian Free Army.

00:56:22.920 And I saw it, you know, 2,500 years before, 3,000 years before Xenophon, the Greeks, the Romans.

00:56:29.500 You got those beautiful Roman ruins right there.

00:56:31.840 And I said, it hasn't changed in 3,000 years.

00:56:34.940 It's either the Greeks or the Romans or the West and the Persians on the other side. 1.00

00:56:39.140 And it's just, it's deeper than current politics.

00:56:41.880 I don't think people understand how deep this is embedded into the region.

00:56:45.160 That ancient history there is as relevant as something that happened on CNN last night to these folks, sir.

00:56:51.200 Yeah, well, when I wrote my book about the CIA war in Kurdistan, about our experiences there in 02, 03, I include, the front page has a quote from Xenophon because it struck me when we were on the ground there, precisely what you just said, which is, man, people have been doing this for millennia out here.

00:57:11.040 I think your point on Turkey is dead on. 0.81

00:57:13.100 My wife, who was a retired career CIA officer and obviously much smarter than I, was pointing this out decades ago, and nobody wanted to hear from her, that this guy Erdogan is serious.

00:57:27.020 And what he represents is a radical undoing of secular Turkey.

00:57:31.580 And the implications for this region are catastrophic.

00:57:36.380 And she was dead on. 0.81

00:57:37.760 Sure.

00:57:37.860 And that's exactly where we are.

00:57:40.040 Your wife is dead on. 0.99

00:57:41.100 And nobody wants to talk.

00:57:43.560 Your wife is dead on because he's a member of NATO and wants to be part of EU. 0.98

00:57:50.260 That's right.

00:57:50.740 Nobody wants to talk about it.

00:57:52.240 And it's a ticking time bomb.

00:57:53.980 And Qatar, everybody, you know, they're in everybody's business.

00:57:58.000 Nobody wants to talk about it.

00:57:59.160 And so we can all look the other way.

00:58:01.220 But I'm telling you, you look to, you know, the Israelis want to get it on with Persia. 0.90

00:58:05.700 I got that.

00:58:06.320 You know, we should not be involved in that.

00:58:07.940 We got to, you know, that's a threat.

00:58:09.980 But this region is going to explode.

00:58:12.820 It just is.

00:58:13.580 We're going to bounce.

00:58:15.180 We're going to turn it over to the Charlie Kirk show here in a minute.

00:58:17.480 Real commercial voice.

00:58:18.480 We are awaiting the arrival of the King of Jordan.

00:58:20.600 This is a very big deal.

00:58:22.980 Years, you know, past, I'm not saying it would be totally ceremonial, but the feeling of the president,

00:58:27.280 the King of Jordan, was so strong just to come by.

00:58:30.160 Let's meet.

00:58:30.680 This is important.

00:58:31.640 The president of the United States, Donald John Trump, has issued basically a proclamation

00:58:37.760 that at high noon on Saturday, Jerusalem time, if all the hostages, either alive or dead,

00:58:44.660 are not turned back over, quote, all hell will break loose.

00:58:48.420 Knowing President Trump, if I was Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood or their paymasters in Qatar, 0.98

00:58:54.060 I'd be paying attention because he does not, Sam, as you know, he's not put out threats idly.

00:58:58.780 Sam, where do people go to get Ann Magazine, all your social media, sir?

00:59:02.720 Best place to go is go to Substack, Ann Magazine at substack.com,

00:59:07.100 and that'll take you to every place I am on social media.

00:59:14.480 Sam, you're an officer and a gentleman, and your wife is quite brilliant.

00:59:17.200 I want to get her on here to talk about Turkey.

00:59:18.860 So thank you, sir.

00:59:19.500 Appreciate you.

00:59:20.760 Take care.

00:59:21.200 Dave Bratt, what's your social media?

00:59:24.580 Thanks for subbing for me today.

00:59:26.820 I had an appointment I couldn't miss.

00:59:30.200 What's your social media, Dave?

00:59:32.480 Yeah.

00:59:33.040 Thank you very much, Steve.

00:59:34.600 Bratt Economics on Getter and now on X.

00:59:40.880 Dave, are you hopeful for the Holy Land, given what you're seeing,

00:59:46.840 and given this high noon, basically promise, I guess, President Trump has put?

00:59:53.900 Yeah.

00:59:54.380 I agree with everything Sam said.

00:59:56.280 It's morning in America.

00:59:58.420 The CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, has missed China for 30 years,

01:00:04.040 blanking in the State Department.

01:00:05.280 It's hard enough for running the world when your own team's telling you the truth.

01:00:08.700 And so I think Trump's surrounded himself with truth-tellers, and so I'm optimistic.

01:00:13.920 Amen.

01:00:15.420 Okay.

01:00:16.260 We're going to turn it over.

01:00:17.780 Charlie Kirk here in Real America's Voice.

01:00:20.720 Jack Posobiec.

01:00:21.780 Jack is traveling, actually, with Pete Hegseth.

01:00:24.680 It's a big one for Real America's Voice again.

01:00:26.840 The Human Events Daily is with the Secretary of Defense going over to the Munich Security Conference.

01:00:31.820 I think Jack will be doing it from Germany today.

01:00:33.800 We'll figure it out.

01:00:34.620 We're back at 5.

01:00:35.540 Show is going to be packed wall-to-wall.

01:00:37.440 We leave you now awaiting the King of Jordan in the West Wing.

01:00:41.800 President Trump's ready to roll.

01:00:43.460 Going to be a pretty important talk today with one of our principal allies in the Middle East.

01:00:48.500 Charlie Kirk will take it from here.

01:00:50.300 We'll see you back here in the war room at 5 p.m.

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Bannon's War Room - February 11, 2025

Episode 4261： Stopping The Cycle Of War In Gaza

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