Episode 4272： Establishing National Energy Dominance; Reviving The Military
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Stephen K. Bannon speaks on the mass firings at the IRS and other agencies across the federal government, and why we need to fight back. He also talks about the ongoing scandal involving the mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio, and what we can do about it.
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prevention will cut one-tenth of its workforce. 1,300 workers are being forced out at that
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critical agency. And as many as 2,000 employees at the Department of Energy were let go,
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including hundreds from its National Nuclear Security Administration. Take that in.
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According to the New York Times, the Internal Revenue Service is preparing to lay off thousands
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of employees as soon as next week, reversing the Biden administration's efforts to beef up that
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agency. What could go wrong with dramatically cutting the IRS workforce in the middle of tax
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season? Just remember, the Trump administration put tax cheats ahead of your needs if you have
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problems with your refund. Firings are already underway also at the Department of Education,
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Housing and Urban Development, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and even at the
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agency ordering them, the Office of Personnel Management. That genius squad has now reportedly
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been sent into the IRS. So now that group is in there with your tax information.
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While tonight we get word that at the IRS, just ahead of tax filing season, they are about to fire
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thousands, maybe 9,000 people who actually work there to handle your taxes.
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The combination of the smash and grab by the supposedly high-tech team and the mass firing of
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people who actually do know what they're doing means real material harm is being done to our
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country. So you hear a lot about these probationary employees today. These are folks who
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are in their first or second year on the job. And they can't just be summarily terminated like this on
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a mass scale. There are rules that govern federal employees and their rights in the workplace.
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And you're not supposed to remove them unless they're poor performers or they engage in misconduct.
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So we filed another action just today, Joy, through one of the administrative bodies that
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enforces these rules, the Office of Special Counsel.
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AMG who put out a statement about these probationary firings. These firings are not about poor performance.
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There's no evidence these employees were anything but dedicated public servants. They are about power.
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They are about gutting the federal government, silencing workers, forcing agencies into submission to a
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radical agenda that prioritizes cronyism. What they want is a chokehold. And they have a choke
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collar on the mayor of the city of New York. And that is why I'm really thinking about what happens
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next. And there are two things. One, the governor of New York has the ability to remove the mayor.
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And if you've got a mayor who's this compromised, who's who, as you said, you've now seen on TV,
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the the quo from the quid. He is no longer he is so conflicted. He is no longer representing
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the people of New York City. And that is something where there is a democratically elected person with
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the power to take action here so that essentially the mayor of the city of New York is not Donald Trump,
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who no one voted for for that position. The second is the judge in this case can have a hearing and can
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hear from Emile Bovey and can find out whether his version that he put in this submission is the
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correct one or whether it's Danielle Sassoon. And just to be clear, he has a lot of discretion on the
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following. He doesn't have a lot of discretion in terms of whether the case goes forward or not. But he can
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actually appoint a special prosecutor if he thinks that Emile Bovey is lying to him. That can be prosecuted by
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an independent prosecutor and a separate judge in that same district in the Southern District of New York has done
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that exact thing in another case. So there is precedent for having that kind of remedy here.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to
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stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Saturday, 15 February, Year of the Lord, 2025. So we are, I don't know what, 30 days away from
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Ides of March. And by the Ides of March, much of this will be clearer because two things are converging.
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One is the ripping apart of the administrative state. And I understand it may not, you know, for people
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defending these corrupt institutions and for people defending this, it may look a little chaotic and
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messy, but I think there's actually a quite strong internal logic to it. But eventually has to merge
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into kind of process. And what I mean by this, what we've talked about from the very beginning is that
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the DOGE effort, and DOGE, even though it's the U.S. Digital Service,
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the apparatus that took over, it's still part of OMB. And OMB is the managerial effort of the entire
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government. It then has to flow into an appropriations process to actually have these cuts
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take effect over and above, I guess, what they're finding on some of this waste, fraud, and abuse,
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which I assume you can shut down right away and is being shut down right away. The merging in and
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getting in of real cuts and major cuts. Now, updated news overnight, huge report how Elon Musk's team
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is crossing the Potomac and going to go to the Pentagon. I think they've actually had an early
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team over there. The reason that's important is that we have two processes here. We have one
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is the, and get ready, you're going to get a continuing resolution on the 14th because the
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work on the appropriations side was not done. The Senate has not addressed any of these bills.
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The House has seven or eight of them. Like Moskowitz said when he talked about it the other day,
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they have seven single subject appropriations bill, which is about 80% of the budget, but I don't
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think any work's been done in the Senate. And remember, you have to reconcile that. You have to
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have a conference to get both people on board. It's one bill. Bottom line, it hasn't been done.
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So get ready for a CR on around the, um, around the, um, you know, the first week of March to get to
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the 14th. I think right after the president, president may drop it date to put in your calendars
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for March, which is his discussion, joint session of Congress, essentially the state of the union,
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state of the union. The first year is not say the union is called, uh, you know, it's a joint session,
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same thing called differently where president goes up and addresses Congress from the 4th of March to
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the 14th will be a firefight. Just will be want to give this audience a heads up. We're not going
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to be happy about everything. It's just, that's, we got to face reality here of what we can do and
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where we can put maximum leverage and maximum leverage. The end game we want to get to is
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dramatic reductions in federal spending. Number one, to get control over these deficits that
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continue to mount and go on the face amount of the national debt of which we then have to pay
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interest in principle. Since we're never going to get the principle paid down, you're just going to
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continue to pay, uh, interest. It is now a fact, as we have said now for a couple of years that
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embedded in this refinancing of at least a third of that every year is, um, is where you're embedding
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inflation. And I realized people are joyous of what's happening every day we're moving forward.
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And I want to play that chaos at the top because I think, and I keep saying this legally,
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as we press the case, both in deconstructing administrative state and pressing the case
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of what we're doing to essentially cut massive costs out of the federal budget, we are, I believe,
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winning and going to win at the federal court level. Last night, you've got this chaos over,
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but I think it's control chaos over this situation with Adams, which is now going to free up a sanctuary
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city. And this is incredible. It's important for the deportation, the mass deportation of the 10
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million people. And you've had, you know, you've had resignations at, at main justice and at
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Emil Bovey doesn't give two Fs and neither does Pam bonding. That's fine. Just keep it pressed down.
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I think, and I think it continues to show we are going to win at the federal level. You may get
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slowed down at the first line of judges, but at the appellate level, you know, on the, on the, uh,
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expedited hearings at the appellate level, and then it's the Supreme court. Uh, I believe you're
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going to win. And one of the big things to put in your notebook, right? Is, is, uh, impoundment
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impoundment, write that down, take number two pencil and write that down. That number is going
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that, that concept, that construct back to the unified theory of the executive ideas have
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consequences. These are big ideas. They're going to have big consequences and they're going to be big
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fights. Just is. Cause I believe what you're going to see is the only, I think the way that
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if I think this through, I think the way that you get Doge into this year, which is what we're
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currently fighting, that's a CR. And in next year, which is a little bit of where the reconciliations
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process come, where you get Doge in and Doge is two things, just to add to complexity here.
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It is one, the waste, fraud, and abuse. Every day you see them, they're sending a strike team in here
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and a strike team in here and a strike team in there and a strike team in there. These young,
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you know, kind of Nader, Ralph Nader type guys going in with their computers and, uh, and getting
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into the data and seeing where they're either old systems that were paying stuff or all that.
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What does it add up to? I don't know right now. I keep asking that question. It, I hope it's a
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significant number and this is just not optics, but it will get funneled into the process. And the
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process that's going to get funneled into is the, whatever comes out of a, on the 14th, whether it's
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a whole year CR, which you're going to hate and I'm going to hate, just get ready to be hating on
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some stuff because you ain't going to like it. I'm not going to like it, but we kind of are where
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we are in this very convoluted. Cause here's the thing. Why are we are where we are? Because we
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still have a political class that does not want to face reality. You have to be, you got to fix
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band nets. We got to put the band in the back and we got to drive them to face reality. Cause other
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than that, there's no penalty for them to continue to spend money and print fiat currency and just kick
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the can down the road and add more and more and more. Now the inflation, now that people are waking
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up to the fact that this is how inflation is caused, inflation is caused by this massive federal
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spending. And this is what turf Biden at office. And when the wake up call comes that, Hey, we have
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to be serious about this. So Doge gets funneled into the process in this fiscal year. When I say this
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fiscal year, I mean, what's happening now between now and September 30th. Then when you talk about
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the reconciliations, all that, that's fiscal year 26 and beyond. The one thing also to keep clear is
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when they talk about all these huge cuts and everything they're doing, $4 trillion, it's all
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still fantasy. It's masturbatory fantasy because it's over 10 years. I'm not interested in 10 years.
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I'm interested in this year between now and September 30th. I'm interested in next year. Once we get those
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done, I'm interested in the year after that and the year after that. This is a restructuring. This is a
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turnaround. The predicate of that is an energy policy that drives down energy costs and sets it
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sets the predicate for lower energy costs across the board. And so for the signal, not the noise,
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President Trump is moving on that. And Dave Walsh is here to talk about that. In addition,
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you have to get your arms around the Pentagon budget. They're over in Ukraine right now. And the bottom
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line in Ukraine, this is why the firestorm, we're telling Europe, Hey, guess what? You got to stand up
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for the first time really since World War II. I would actually argue World War I. They haven't
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stood on their own since World War I. This is why we had World War II. They have to stand up and
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they're going to put some money in the game. The elites over there have gotten a free ride.
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And as we reorient here to the hemispheric defense of President Trump, that leads to a potential
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massive realignment of our defense budget, which we got to get to. Because, you know, you've got to get
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to Medicaid, you've got to get to discretionary spending, you've got to get to do that, you've got
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to get into the defense budget, you just have to. And Medicaid, once again, because this is not about
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race, it's not about ethnicity, this is about economic distress. We have 18 million men of working age
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not in the workforce. We have a crisis of, we have a crisis of among men in this country. We have 18 million
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not in the workforce. This is why Medicaid is about economic distress.
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Economic distress. Do we want Medicaid? No. Do you want Medicaid? No. Do the people taking it and want
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it? No, they don't. But because we gutted this country and sent all the jobs off and since the
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last five years, let me connect another dot. No net job creation in five years for people,
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native-born people, regardless of your race or ethnicity. Zero. All the, essentially all the job
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growth in five years to foreign-born citizens. Okay. We're going to take today, we're going to make this
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the Biden administration, there was a war against American energy. And today that war officially has
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ended. President Trump on day one declared a national energy emergency. And this is a real emergency
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because under the Biden administration, restricted the production of oil and gas. Production's still
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coming. But when you stop holding leases, when you take 625 million acres of land out of ocean,
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land out of production possibilities through an executive order, you're really restricting the
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balance sheet of America. But today, as President Trump said, this is unleashed. The National Energy
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Dominance Council will be made up. All the folks that are standing beside me here,
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other cabinet leaders, and many more represent President Trump's wise decision that we need a
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whole-of-government approach to unwind. The Biden administration had a whole-of-government
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approach that had the war against U.S. energy. Now we need to turn that around 180 degrees and unleash
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that potential. We've got to unleash it from the Gulf of America all the way up to Alaska. We have amazing
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resources in this country, and we haven't been getting a return on them. Many of these are under
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public lands. The interior has 500 million acres of surface, 700 million acres of subsurface minerals,
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critical minerals, and offshore close to 2 billion acres. And that balance sheet is the biggest balance
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sheet in the world, and it's been completely underutilized. Everybody knows we have 36 trillion
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in debt as a country, but no one knows how many hundreds of trillions of dollars of assets we have.
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And President Trump is asking us to go get a return on that investment for the American people. And with
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that, we're going to have prosperity at home with lower prices, and we're also going to have peace abroad.
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Because the wars that we've been engaged in, our allies have been fighting over the past few years,
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have been funded by the oil sales of our adversaries. So we have an opportunity, and we also are in an AI
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arms race with China. The only way we win that is with more electricity. And we also have an energy
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emergency in terms of electricity. Too much intermittent, unreliable, not enough baseload.
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We've been shutting down the baseload that we have. President Trump is going to reverse that,
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and it's going to allow us to win the AI arms race, which is the most important thing that we have to
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do relative to our future. So with that, I want to say again, thank you to President Trump. And I want
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to thank my fellow members of the Energy Council. Okay.
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You talk about policy and Project 2025 and working in ideas and ideas have consequences.
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We owe this. This is a number of people coming together. But I got to give a hat tip to the
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War Room Posse and to the great Dave Walsh. What you just heard right there from Governor Burgum is
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chapter and verse of what we've talked about for the last four years in this show, including the
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energy dominance, full-spectrum energy dominance. Also, put in your notebook, one of the most
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important people in the cabinet, very low-key and not a huge public profile, is Burgum, a very serious
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guy, a very serious guy. And he keeps his hand on the pulse of corporate America. And I think he's
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the real, the linchpin along with the Lutnik over at Commerce to the, to the, to the corporate
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America, to the president. And I think he does it in kind of a common sense way. Dave Walsh,
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because here's the thing, while we're flooding the zone and overwhelming the radical Democrats,
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the apparatus, the administrative state, the deep state, all of it, you also have to be putting
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into, to place your plan. Correct? Part of it's here, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, as we've talked
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about, right? On the, on ending the war on one side and the deportations, you know, that ties in New
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York City with what's happening in Munich today. But the driving force to take away the existential
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threat, which is our financial crisis and the economic crisis. What is the gospel of Dave Walsh?
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Walsh. It's all based upon, it's got to be, the foundation has to be energy. And it has to be,
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what's that great mantra? You've got Dave Walsh, constant base load, you know, not, not the Green
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New Deal, not, not wind and solar and all these fantasies. Time to stop fantasy and get back to it.
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President Trump signed it right there, the National Energy Dominance Council. Dave Walsh,
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thoughts. How big a deal is this, brother? Dave, this is Christmas Day for us. This is the
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president doing exactly what we voted for and on this show advocated for for about three years.
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Appreciate the recognition, but this is a tremendous day. He's gone after with the foundation of the
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all of government and energy council to unleash energy dominance. A full, all of government focus,
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not on net zero decarb, but on all in energy abundance and low cost, which is essentially
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necessary for manufacturing anything and for rate payers to begin to enjoy less inflation and
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hopefully a reduction in the cost of energy, which is crippling the economy. So he's got Bergen pointed
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out the need for base load, less intermittent electricity. Fantastic. The formation of the council,
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of course, fantastic. The reinvigoration of the continental pipeline that would support natural
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gas deliveries, badly needed natural gas deliveries to New York and New England, who are in the top
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seven states in the country of the top 10 states in energy cost, electricity cost, all of New England
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and New York. Solve that issue. Get natural gas desperately needed to New Englanders, New Yorkers,
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and then even mentioning the necessity of clean coal. If we're going to have AI server centers,
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and oh, by the way, the rest of industry, aluminum, steelmaking, which he mentioned,
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you've got to have abundant energy, baseload energy of all sources. One of the most immediate
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sources of that is reinvigorating clean coal, such as China is doing, he said, a plant a month. It's
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really, they've got 400 under permit in construction, Germany reopening coal plants, and of course, Japan,
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and the big, big coal binge between 2015 and 2019, putting 13 gigawatts more coal online in Japan.
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So we need to be doing the same thing here. We need to get back to baseload, constant duty energy.
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The CEO and this formation of the all-of-government approach through the Energy Council does
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exactly that. It's a great day for the country.
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It's a great day. I want to make sure people understand the bid and the ask here.
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Under Biden, he saw this in Germany. They had a whole-of-government on net carbon zero. A
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whole-of-government on net carbon zero. That is essentially an energy plan that de-industrializes
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you. You're seeing this in Germany right now, as Dave Walsh has warned us. They had a whole-of-government
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ours is a whole-of-government of full-spectrum energy dominance. The gap in there is massive.
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The gap in there means your children and grandchildren, yourselves, but your grandchildren
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and children and grandchildren have a shot. We have a shot. Because we were going down the same path
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of the Greta Thunberg insanity that you see in Germany right now. And you see the social upheaval
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in Germany. One of the key parts of that is their de-industrialization at the same time
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kind of surrendering and sending the jobs to China. Does that sound familiar? This is
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why this is so massive. Am I correct there? That's the spread. The spread is you had these
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maniacs in Washington who were self-dealing too. And this gets back to what I talked about
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and Palmet, this is Trump grabbing the $300 billion that has not been spent on the Green
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News scam. And he's saying, hey, guess what? I'm going to repurpose this. The bid here is
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between these maniacs that were doing net carbon zero, which means you're de-industrializing
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your society versus full-spectrum energy dominance. Now, to be brutally frank, the progressive Democrats
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in the apartheid state of Silicon Valley got the joke and said, oh, yeah, we just figured
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out that AI needs like 10x power. So they're now our allies. And they ain't allies because
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they're good guys. They were the driving force at one time in net carbon zero and all the
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venture capital money they were putting and how they talked it up and how they suppressed
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voices like Dave Walsh in the show not to talk about full-spectrum energy dominance.
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They flipped because the reality of artificial intelligence, particularly the brute force
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way we do it, you need massive new energy sources. Dave Walsh, your thoughts, observations, and
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Well, the stupidity, the sheer stupidity economic disaster of the last five years has been the
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investment of 91% of the capital spent on new power generation in this country. The last
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five years has been on intermittent renewables that operate on average about 24% or 25% of
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the time and don't operate 75% of the time at about $100 billion a year in total was spending
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on capital, where normally we spend about $65 billion a year. So we've spent about 56% more money
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on equipment that's basically churning away from baseload full-time energy devices, coal, gas,
00:25:52.660
and nuclear over the last five years and spending about $42 billion a year going forward in incentivizing
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more of that, incentivizing more energy devices by the Biden administration, solar and wind and
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battery storage that cost from six to 11 times more for ratepayers. So that's not going to be
00:26:12.360
off the table. That'll be off the table. And instead, and also through the tariff program,
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which goes after soft issues such as China, you can't import any United States or German,
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Japan-made gas turbines, steam turbines, generators, or even renewable equipment into China. You just
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can't do it. So on a soft basis, as he goes through reciprocity of actions, not just tariff percentages,
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they will be unable, hopefully, to import any further solar panels, thin film PV, inverters,
00:26:42.300
and batteries into this country for energy supply, which cost American ratepayers six to 11 times more
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money than conventional gas-fired power generation or coal-fired power generation. That'll be brought
00:26:54.740
to its knees. So this has been a false economy and one very ruinous. So the last five years,
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we've added only 3.5% or 0.6% per year growth to our electricity supply, where now we're needing
00:27:06.220
three to 5% per year growth in electricity as we grow industry. AI data centers are just part of
00:27:14.040
that. Aluminum smelting, steelmaking, all of that. Petrochemicals, chemicals, plastics, all need
00:27:19.800
enormous electricity on a constant duty, not part-time basis. Think and the company recognized this and
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they began talking about this nine months ago. So this is, the president's moving strongly to
00:27:33.540
re-electrify the country and re-energize the country on a cost-effective basis. It's fantastic.
00:27:42.780
Essential is the predicate. You have to lay that foundational element. Dave Walsh, where do people
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Okay, CPAC.org slash war room. You get a $75 ticket. We are absolutely packed wall to wall. We got a
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force multiplier academy. I want everybody there to fire up the football. Kind of get organized about
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the next phase. The next phase is going to be quite intense, leading down to essentially the Ides of March
00:30:02.020
and then driving these reconciliation bills, the tax cuts. The foundational element of President
00:30:07.660
Trump, remember, it's an energy policy and it's a supply-side tax cut. Supply-side tax cut. And on top
00:30:17.800
of that, big cuts in federal spending, smart cuts in federal spending, taking out the doge, waste,
00:30:23.880
fraud, and abuse, and then you get into programmatically where you're going to have to cut. I'm going to have
00:30:28.340
Captain Fennell up here in a moment. We're going to talk geo-strategically why this reorientation to the
00:30:33.460
hemispheric defense is quite brilliant. We'll have massive, massive implications to the defense
00:30:38.520
budget. And what I want to make sure people are not doing is just blindly going down the path of doing
00:30:45.300
what we've done before because President Trump is saying we ain't doing that. The whole thing in Europe
00:30:51.360
and, you know, Lindsey Graham's over there. All my people are over there telling me Lindsey Graham's running
00:30:55.080
around, hugging on Zelensky, and he's the greatest partner ever he had. And it just, we're not doing this
00:30:59.840
anymore. We're not going to do it. We're not doing it. The European elites are going to step up and talk to
00:31:06.360
their people. If you got a big, if you got a primal fear of Russia, then step, President Trump told you the
00:31:11.680
number, 5%. You're not going to do it because we've been bailing you out for over 100 years. And that day is over.
00:31:18.200
Over. The American people are going to take care of themselves. You're an ally and we'll be an ally.
00:31:25.680
We're not breaking the alliance, but we're not underwriting. It's the difference between
00:31:29.220
being an ally and being an underwriter. We've underwritten it. That's why NATO in Western Europe
00:31:38.680
is a protectorate of the United States. That's why the Middle East and the Gulf Emirates and all these
00:31:43.860
kings and potentates, and even Israel, our ally Israel, we underwrite all that. And they, and
00:31:50.900
probably the UAE, are two best allies over there that punch way above their weight. But the whole
00:31:56.320
thing's a mess. And no, we're not getting dragged into another, we're not getting dragged into a land
00:32:00.520
war in Persia. We're not going to get dragged into airstrikes in Persia. We're just not going to do
00:32:04.680
that. Not going to do it. There are other ways and smarter ways to do that. And I say that as a young
00:32:11.180
man has spent no time in the North Arabian Sea and the Persian Gulf looking at Persia and it's
00:32:17.020
like the moon, no need for us to be doing this. You got to be smart about it. That's why this
00:32:24.900
geostrategic and the three island chains and India being the key and Diego Garcia being a key,
00:32:30.740
there's a smart way to get through this with a third less cost. And you start using unrestricted
00:32:37.340
warfare. You start using your capital base. You start using your technology, withholding
00:32:42.420
it from people. And we can get there and not put ourselves in bankruptcy because now one
00:32:47.740
of the biggest national security threats is this fricking spending that's out of control
00:32:52.240
and these gutless people up here that don't want to go back and tell anybody. American people
00:32:56.280
will be very understanding if you explain it to them and they don't think they're getting
00:33:00.120
screwed. And this whole Medicaid situation is going to be a big deal because this is about
00:33:04.140
economic distress, this is about gutting, this is about 18 million or 20 million men in
00:33:08.940
this country of working age are not in the workforce because there's not jobs there. We
00:33:14.200
gutted all the good jobs. You got young men now not going to college because they don't
00:33:19.960
see the benefit of it. Not that college is everything, but they're not going for a whole
00:33:26.880
host of reasons. We got to get them re-engaged into the workforce. Then you do that, you're not
00:33:31.320
going to need Medicaid. The elites have done this and gutted our country and now want the
00:33:38.920
people to deal with it. Now I want the taxpayer to deal with it. It can be unwound. It can
00:33:45.080
be unwound smartly, but you have to be tough and you're going to have to take a lot of incoming
00:33:48.580
and we are going to take a lot of incoming. Trust me on this. Particularly say, oh, all
00:33:53.600
Bannon wants to do is soak the wealthy, soak the rich. I don't, but hey, no offense.
00:33:57.300
Be brutally frank, they benefited from all the bailouts. They've benefited. We've socialized
00:34:03.280
the risk and given them unlimited upside. Those numbers are not even questioned. Cannot
00:34:09.980
be questioned. This is how you've had this great concentration of wealth and we're going
00:34:13.540
to give them another benefit, another tip. Not going to happen. Can't happen. Because
00:34:19.560
you can see the underlying numbers and don't think our approval ratings are that so far over
00:34:24.220
the top that if the current trending in economics continue and this is driven by this massive
00:34:29.860
federal spending, things could change on a diamond. We have to address it now. And the
00:34:33.800
two underlying things he's doing are quite smart. This energy policy is a predicate. If
00:34:39.620
supply side tax cuts smartly as a predicate and also a geostrategic alignment so we don't
00:34:46.400
have a defense budget that's killing us and crippling us like I think it is now. Although
00:34:52.020
a big part of it's a works for a work program and industrial policy.
00:34:58.420
Ben Harnwell, let's talk about Ukraine first. This Ukraine thing, please, we cannot get sucked
00:35:02.780
into this. They're going to, President Trump, they're trying to suck you into it. We know
00:35:06.440
Ben? Okay. We got a technical problem with Harnwell. I'll do this then on that. We don't
00:35:11.840
need Ben. I can take this. I mean, I'd love to have him, but he's got technical problems.
00:35:16.000
Okay. You see over there, President Trump couldn't be clear. He's having a direct conversation
00:35:21.140
with Putin. And he's got Witkoff. He's got Witkoff in, went to Moscow. And that's where
00:35:27.660
they're having a discussion. Now they're saying Zelensky has to be at the table. Zelensky
00:35:31.340
has to be at the table and you guys start paying for it. Don't talk about American security
00:35:36.900
guarantee. And Zelensky comes back, no American troops. And they're saying, oh, Pete Hex is
00:35:42.780
a rookie. He didn't know. Let's get it up on the table first. Here's what the, here's
00:35:46.160
what the framework is. We're out. We're tired of it. We're tired of shoveling money over
00:35:51.540
there. And quite frankly, I don't give a damn about the rare earths. Keep it. Just walk
00:35:56.900
away. If you get sucked in, you're going to be sucked in year after year after year. We
00:36:01.680
don't, it's opportunity costs. We got bigger fish to fry. The EU wants them in there and
00:36:07.180
NATO wants them in there. Then have the Germans, have the French, have the Italians, have all
00:36:11.260
these deadbeats, Macron and Georgia Maloney and have whoever's going to run Germany and
00:36:17.780
throw in, uh, and throw in the Brits. You know, Boris Johnson, a big talker. And then
00:36:22.420
put some money up and put some money for your defense. Let's see a couple of three combat
00:36:26.660
divisions. How about that? We're out and we got to be adamant about this. And Lindsey
00:36:32.780
Graham is over there cheerleading, skipping around. Oh, Zelensky's great to keep skipping
00:36:36.520
around, bro. We're out. What don't you understand? We're out. Zelensky doesn't get
00:36:42.440
to see the table. We don't give a damn what Zelensky has to say. We've seen what he's done
00:36:45.760
to his people. I, last time I looked, there are a million dead or wounded and the place
00:36:49.160
looks like Dresden. Great job. Great job. For what? For what end?
00:36:54.940
Captain. Now here, President Trump is reorienting. He's saying, Hey, kind of pox on all your houses.
00:37:02.940
We got bigger fish to fry. Plus he's talking about getting Putin in, in, in she in a room
00:37:07.480
and sitting down and talking about hammering swords in the plowshares. And Hey, we're not
00:37:12.700
going to walk in naively and think of these guys are going to have a kumbaya moment. We
00:37:17.260
always got to be prepared. Always have to be prepared because these are not good people.
00:37:21.280
They're just not, their people are good. Lao Bai Jing. I mean, if you look at world
00:37:27.020
war two, the war on the Eurasian landmass, the Chinese people were our ally. The Indian
00:37:32.020
army was our ally. The non-commissioned officers, the guys that stood at Irrawaddy and fought
00:37:37.440
the Japanese and didn't let them come and take India. They're on our side, the Indian people
00:37:42.120
and the Russian people. Now their leaders in the next, I don't know, 50 or 60 or 70, 80
00:37:49.000
years were not pro-American at all. They were anti-American. Doesn't mean the people weren't
00:37:53.760
and didn't bleed on the battlefield on battles. We need to have one for now. Now we have a
00:37:59.680
total reorientation and this is Alfred Thayer Mahan. President Trump, who's read Morrison
00:38:04.640
understands the, the victory, the Naval victory in World War II is saying, Hey, I think I got
00:38:09.760
it from Panama Canal to Greenland. The Arctic's going to be in play. And we get the three island
00:38:14.780
chains in the Pacific. You got a desert. The Pacific Ocean is as big as the Eurasian landmass
00:38:19.960
between, and it's a, it's essentially an ocean desert vast. It's like crossing the Sahara.
00:38:26.200
We've got that. You do that. America's hermetically sealed. Captain Fennell, the floor is yours.
00:38:33.140
Well, Steve, I, I agree with what you're saying that there's this recognition that, you know,
00:38:38.720
land wars and, you know, we always say you don't want to find a land war in Asia. Well,
00:38:42.460
you don't really want to fight a land war in the Middle East and in Europe forever either.
00:38:47.740
And, uh, president Trump's very, been very clear. This focused on, uh, as you call it,
00:38:53.320
the hemispheric defense, focusing and talking about, Hey, we have to have control of the,
00:38:57.940
of the Panama Canal, not our own physical control of it, but the ability to make sure that our forces
00:39:04.020
and our goods and services and our Naval forces can transit through there is important.
00:39:08.880
He talks about Greenland for a lot of reasons, but he was very clear about mentioning Russian
00:39:13.920
and Chinese ships transiting through the GUI, uh, GUIK gap. Uh, and so he's talking in naval terms.
00:39:22.260
And then three days ago in Munich, you had Pete Exeth. I know he's gotten some, you know, bad,
00:39:27.280
you know, publicity for some things he said about Ukraine, but the most important thing he said,
00:39:31.580
from my perspective was this, he said, we also face a peer competitor in common with the Chinese
00:39:37.440
communists with the capability and intent to threaten our homeland and core national interests
00:39:43.080
in the Indo-Pacific. The U S is prioritizing deterring war with China in the Pacific, recognizing
00:39:50.820
the reality of scarcity and making the resource trade-offs to ensure deterrence does not fail.
00:39:57.060
Deterrence cannot fail for all of our sakes. And that's really what we've neglected for the last
00:40:02.560
40 years is deterring the PRC. And as you said, our great ocean areas of the Pacific from the West
00:40:09.520
coast to, uh, to Japan, and it takes a, an aircraft carrier 14 days or so to go across, uh, from San
00:40:16.800
Diego to Yakuska. That's a large area. People cannot comprehend how big that area is, but we have
00:40:22.600
neglected that area. And we have kind of, uh, there's people even calling to pull back the four
00:40:27.380
deployed Naval forces. And what I see is the Trump administration and the people that are talking
00:40:33.120
and making these, these, uh, plans, this hemispheric defense, it's based upon returning America to be a
00:40:41.460
Naval power. And what we need is to define what is the purpose of our Navy for our nation. And it is
00:40:47.860
always been, as you mentioned, Mahan, it is about command of the seas. And we have always had
00:40:54.160
command of the seas and we need to have command of the seas today. And we do not have it in the
00:41:00.700
region of the far East, given what the PRC has done in their naval modernization program for the last
00:41:06.940
25, 30 years. And so we need to restore our Naval power. That's not an occupation force. That's not
00:41:14.200
sending soldiers into foreign countries. That's having the ability to command the seas where we
00:41:20.160
need to, at the time that we need to. And that, what that does is maintain the peace and security
00:41:25.080
of the region, which is what the Navy, this U S seven fleet largely did from the end of world war II
00:41:30.640
up until this last, uh, you know, 10, 10, 15 years as the Chinese Navy developed. So we walked away from
00:41:38.440
our responsibility to deter the PRC, to deter the Chinese communists, because they have plans to do
00:41:44.440
a lot of mischief. And if we're not there, if we're not there in strength and we're not working
00:41:49.080
with our allies, it was glad to see, uh, prime minister Modi and president Trump specifically
00:41:54.280
talk about defense as a key element of our relationship. And that's good. It was under the
00:41:59.960
first Trump administration that we revitalized the, uh, the quad relationship, Japan, uh, Australia,
00:42:07.720
United States, and India. And it's going to get re-energized again, which is going to put pressure
00:42:13.240
and deter China from their activities. But we have serious problems. And you mentioned the defense
00:42:18.280
department, you know, why are we spending all this extra money for the, uh, you know, the Ford class
00:42:25.320
carrier that has problems with this electromagnetic launch system. All we're getting is an extra 40
00:42:31.240
sorties in a day, uh, to have that technological capability at what cost billions of dollars.
00:42:39.160
We paid for the Zumwalt cruiser, you know, billions of dollars for Zumwalt. We only produced three of them.
00:42:45.000
And then we found out after we produced them that firing a single round of this ammunition that would
00:42:50.360
go into these advanced guns would cost over a million dollars around. It was unsustainable.
00:42:55.960
We've had problems with the littoral combat. All these problems in our Navy that is, is atrocious.
00:43:02.520
And all the admirals that I work for, I, there, some of them are friends, good people, but it's
00:43:07.960
unbelievable that we allowed this to happen. The people that were supposed to be guarding
00:43:12.440
our Naval sea lanes went to sleep and turned the department department of defense over to the,
00:43:22.840
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Captain Fennell, you're going to be writing a lot about this. Yes, we've been asleep on the Navy because
00:44:51.960
this is the thing with CENCOM. This is about the pivot to Asia. The pivot to Asia is really a pivot.
00:44:56.440
In pivoting Asia, President Trump's come up with a new hemispheric defense, which is brilliant.
00:45:01.640
Monroe Doctrine 2.0 or 5.0. Fortress America. Quite brilliant. Captain Fennell said about you leave
00:45:09.480
San Diego with a carrier battle group 14 days later. People do not understand because maps don't really
00:45:15.240
show it correctly. The Pacific is a massive ocean desert. Massive. That is protection for the United
00:45:23.160
States of America. And President Trump thinks this through. Although, obviously, with our partners
00:45:29.160
in India, the Indo-Pacific is obviously vastly important. The Seventh Fleet. And this is why
00:45:35.160
the British got to keep Diego Garcia. Can't be giving that back to the Chinese Communist Party. More
00:45:40.440
absurdity. But whole CENCOM was this land war in the Middle East. And we're not doing it. We're not
00:45:48.120
going to do that again. The mistakes there are just horrific. And it cannot happen again. This is
00:45:53.240
why they're trying to certain people trying to suck you into a land war in Persia. They're not going to
00:45:56.360
happen. Last thing you need. Been doing that since, what, the early 90s? Actually, you could throw
00:46:03.240
Beirut in there. Maybe the early 80s. Captain Fennell, where can people go to get your writings? Because now
00:46:08.280
more than ever, particularly as we reorient the Pentagon to a new strategic, the post-war
00:46:14.280
international rules-based order is over. Because America is not going to underwrite it anymore.
00:46:19.560
That's the squealing you hear in Munich. They want America. They want you. They want the suckers
00:46:25.400
that are American taxpayer and the parents that send their kids to go do this to underwrite it all.
00:46:29.880
It's not going to happen anymore. We're out. We're out. It's America first. We're looking for allies.
00:46:36.280
We're not looking for protectorates. Europe's been a vassal state, and they've dined off the
00:46:41.480
American taxpayer, and they've dined off the sons and daughters of MAGA for 80 years. Full stop.
00:46:49.160
Not going to happen anymore. I don't care how much they squeal. I don't care in Custade, or Provence,
00:46:56.120
or Tuscany, or the West End of London, or in Berlin and Paris. There's plenty of money in Europe.
00:47:04.040
Big money. Let the Norwegian fund, you know, the sovereign wealth fund is like a train and a half
00:47:10.040
dollars off of North Sea oil, and the Norwegians are good investors, right? They'll squeeze you.
00:47:15.800
Captain Fennell, where do people go to get you, sir?
00:47:19.000
I write for American Greatness occasionally. And I would just say, you know, when I joined the Navy in
00:47:26.120
1986, we had 600 ships, about 600 ships. And over the last 40 years, we now have less than 300 ships.
00:47:33.560
And we're not able to provide for that hemispheric defense with a force that's like this. We just had
00:47:38.680
an aircraft carrier have a collision just off the coast of Egypt at the entrance of the Suez Canal.
00:47:44.120
This on Wednesday, the USS Harry Truman collided with a bulk carrier and put some damage onto our
00:47:50.520
aircraft carrier. Don't know how extensive it is. But we don't even have the capability to do forward
00:47:55.560
repairs, because we only have two repair ships in the US Navy. And, you know, there's only two,
00:48:01.640
and they're out in the Pacific right now. But we don't have the ability to sustain ourselves in those
00:48:05.880
kinds of operations that are necessary for our hemispheric defense. We got a lot of problems in the
00:48:11.480
Navy and the Department of Defense. To show you what a kid, what a kid Captain Fennell is, and I
00:48:18.760
revere Captain Fennell as a man that put everything on the line, moral courage and brilliance, unbelievable
00:48:24.680
to put his whole career on the line. Captain Fennell, I was, I was there a decade earlier. Captain Fennell
00:48:32.920
76 to 84 or 85 or 83, 83 or 84. Captain Fennell coming in in 86. And you saw it. When I started,
00:48:45.240
when I joined the Navy, it was the 295 ships, the Carter debacle. President Ronald Reagan came in
00:48:51.240
and said, we're going to build a 600 ship Navy. And hey, we came pretty damn close, did we not Captain
00:48:56.440
Fennell? And that's when we ruled, that's when we ruled the waves. There's a different deal then.
00:49:01.160
And we've shrunk ever since then. This, this, this is why Trump gets it. Hey, Panama Canal,
00:49:07.160
Greenland, let's get a base up there. Let's block the Soviet, let's block the Russian Navy
00:49:11.800
up in the Arctic in Archangel Murmansk. We can get, we can see all the fast attacks and boomers coming
00:49:18.060
by and trail them. And tell you, and Europe should get the joke when he announced that they should
00:49:22.500
understand, hey, the Russian army is your problem. You deal with it. We'll be there as an ally, but hey,
00:49:27.500
you deal with it. And that means drafting some young men, getting some equipment, building an army,
00:49:33.500
building an army. And you see what happened in Zelensky, a million dead and wounded Ukrainians,
00:49:39.140
according to President Trump. And the place looks like Dresden in 1945. Captain, we got to bounce.
00:49:44.000
Look forward to having you back on here to go through this.
00:49:46.100
Trump's making, I mean, this is the thing, the signal and the noise. There's so much going on
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and it's breaking them, but they're deep, deep, deep moves being made by President Trump. He's
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thought a lot in the, in the, in the years in the wilderness. He did what Churchill did. He read,
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he thought, he studied, he looked, he observed, he compared that what he did the first time.
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This is why you have a totally different deal this time. And also the people, the, the,
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the America first priorities, the heritage, there's the center for renewing America,
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thinking through national security policy, thinking through economic policy. The, the,
00:50:27.360
the national energy dominance cancel didn't come out of nowhere. The strategy in Greenland and the
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think, then he just didn't materialize. He's not dreaming this stuff up, not coming off the top of
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his head. This is a lot of thinking and a lot of smart people thinking it through. And they
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understand the deep state and the ministry understand, understand it. What do you think
00:50:49.820
they're over there? My folks over there in Munich's and man, when JD and the team and
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those guys left, it's a feeding frenzy over there right now. Lindsey Graham's people stern it up.
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They're stern it up. Oh, America hasn't left. Don't pay any attention to them.
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This is what happens. The Praetorian guard of the deep state, they're permanent. They say,
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don't, don't worry about these guys. Trump is a thing that looked, they brought Poso. How
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serious can they be? They brought Posovic. Hell, Rahim Kassam's over there. How serious can they be?
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These guys are all just flowing through. JD's talking about first amendment speech. These people
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just, they're just drifting through. We're, we're permanent. That's what Lindsey's saying. We're
00:51:24.520
permanent. Deal with us. Deal with us. Come to CPAC. We want you there. We're going to have a
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partner's discussion over four days. CPAC.org slash worm, 76 bucks. Also on the 28th of February,
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the following week, I just got to run a show. It's going to be amazing. Poso and a whole band
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of pirates going to be down there, Tarrant County. Brought to you by Patriot Mobile,
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Those values would be Judeo-Christian values. Okay. Check it out. Glenn Story and the team.
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Just absolutely amazing. Can't wait to see folks down there. We spend a whole hour or so
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beforehand, usually longer, like 90 minutes. Meeting and greeting, getting to know you all,
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get a selfie. Incredible. Excited. Second hour on fire, on fire, on fire. Here in the war room,
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we're going to leave you with the right stuff. We'll be back in 90 seconds in the war room.
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