Stephen K. Bannon and Ben H. Wellman join host Stephen K. to discuss the latest in the Ukraine crisis, including a new poll that shows Americans' confidence in Ukraine's President, Oleksander Zelensky, has plummeted dramatically.
00:00:00.000Toledo. Look at this trend line here. U.S. support for Ukraine is too much. Back when the war began, back in February of 2022, it was just 7 percent. Up like a rocket ship. My goodness. Up now in February of 2025 to 41 percent. And the clear majority of Republicans, and of course Republicans are in charge of the U.S. government now, 62 percent of Republicans say that the U.S. support for Ukraine is too much. What a difference from just three years ago. I can remember, John, all those backyards in the United States with the
00:00:29.980Ukrainian flags, far fewer of them today, as Americans' opinions on Ukraine have changed dramatically. What about opinions of the Ukrainian president? Right. You know, obviously, if you would expect changes amongst the public on feelings towards Ukraine, feelings towards Zelensky have changed also dramatically. Look at this. Confident Zelensky will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. Back in 2022, it was the clear majority. 72 percent through the floor, through the floor by 2024.
00:00:58.920Just 48 percent of Americans say that they're confident that Zelensky will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. And GOP confidence has also plummeted dramatically. Now the clear majority of Republicans are not confident, not confident that Zelensky will do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. Really a real trend line, ones you rarely see in the American public when it comes to Ukraine and Zelensky. Confidence in both going down through the ground.
00:01:24.120Look, some allies of President Trump have targeted Zelensky with harsh criticism over the last few years. And it could be that that's having some impact here.
00:01:31.980Absolutely. The Republican establishment, the Republican electorate has moved as the Republican establishment and Republican leaders have moved on.
00:01:38.800All right. Let's talk about the idea of a peace deal. And again, the way you ask this matters. But go ahead.
00:01:44.060The way you ask it is important. So we can talk about this a little bit. So the poll question essentially is, do you support a Russia-Ukraine negotiated peace deal?
00:01:51.980The vast majority of Americans, this is what they want. 78% say that they support this idea versus just 16% opposed. Of course, as we were talking about, does this question actually get at what's going on right now?
00:02:05.260I think you would say that it probably does not necessarily get what's going on right now.
00:02:09.400No. The question asked, do you support a Russia-Ukraine negotiated peace deal? Ukraine's not there at the negotiations in Saudi Arabia this week. So the people were not asked this.
00:02:19.220And I do think in general, if you ask anyone in any poll, do you support peace? Peace tends to rate pretty highly.
00:02:26.740Peace tends to win. You rarely get 78% of the country agreeing on anything.
00:02:30.540They do agree on the idea of a negotiated peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Whether the majority would agree on a Russia peace deal with Ukraine where Ukraine has nothing to do with it, that might be a different question.
00:02:52.360Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:02:54.280Here's another time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
00:03:01.900I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:03:07.220And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:03:57.300Ben, we have to take a little satisfaction in those numbers from Harry Enten, because the War Room Posse and the War Room, we have worked now for three years to make sure the American people had all the facts.
00:04:08.360And once given the facts, they come to their own conclusion.
00:04:11.780The conclusion is we got to get the hell out of Ukraine.
00:04:20.240Of course, the European folks in Europe are about to come upon that because they're about to have to pay the full freight.
00:04:25.900They're going to be given an option, which we're going to talk about here momentarily.
00:04:29.760So the only thing, Ben, I question about Harry Enten is he goes, oh, as the Republican establishment has come that way, the Republican establishment is not there.
00:04:39.440There's video over the weekend, as you remember, Ben, with a love fest of Zelensky walking in a room and Roger Wicker and White House.
00:04:47.920It was a bipartisan of the warmongers.
00:04:51.960And White House said, Sheldon Whitehouse was saying, you're among friends.
00:04:55.940So it's not just the Republican establishment, it's the it's the warmonger established order of the United States that's still pushing this against just, as they said, a stunning transformation in what the American people think about this entire war.
00:05:12.800Ben Harnwell, Steve, good evening to you.
00:05:16.140I think Lindsey Graham and Joni Ernst might have been in the room, along with the Green Goblin, this weekend and two absolutely useless senators.
00:05:29.700So in the morning show today, you asked me the question about am I surprised by Europe's combat readiness so soon?
00:05:41.060And I pivoted the question. I said, look, let's just rephrase this in terms of am I surprised by their ability to be performative at such short notice?
00:05:49.760And I said I'm not remotely surprised. Well, since those words were uttered on this show, Steve,
00:05:56.220we now have the confirmation of just how sadly performative the meeting in Paris is today with all the various heads of government from Europe,
00:06:06.720along with von der Leyen. Let's go straight to British Prime Minister Sarkir Starmer.
00:06:13.620This is what he says. And Steve, before I read the quote, I just want the war in posse to bear in mind.
00:06:18.800This is exactly what this show said back in October, November, leaning on reportage from from Foreign Policy magazine,
00:06:32.000which had said that the Biden administration was making assurances to the European capitals that if they stepped forward in their own names,
00:06:41.040offering the security guarantees, it would be the US would come to their aid in the situation that Russia actually made an attack and support them.
00:06:51.180Only one in the whole world, and I follow this extremely closely, that only foreign policy had mentioned that.
00:06:58.640So this is what Kirsten Armer says today to his European colleagues.
00:07:03.480Europe must play its role. And I'm prepared to consider committing British forces on the ground alongside others if there is a lasting peace agreement.
00:07:13.500But there must be a US backstop because a US security guarantee is the only way to effectively deter Russia from attacking Ukraine again.
00:07:25.160So there's the Brits, the wily Brits, basically saying that President Trump to the US, not so fast, come back here.
00:07:38.160Because, of course, there's no money. As we mentioned on the morning show today, one of the facts that we realise that there's no money is that the European Union is Ursula von der Leyen.
00:07:46.720Ursula von der Leyen, specifically, an elected president of the European Commission has said she's looking into manipulating the constitution, amending the constitution so that the EU can borrow money.
00:08:01.960Borrow money. Put it down onto the next generations of European citizens in order to continue the fight in Ukraine.
00:08:08.940Because if there's one thing these corrupt sociopathic overlords know, right down to the marrow in their bones, is that this hoax has not penetrated through to the European peoples.
00:08:23.820And they do not want to be paying more taxes for a war that they see no just cause in fighting.
00:08:30.120One example of this, Steve, and I have to say this, because it's absolutely astonishing, is the situation in Germany.
00:08:36.720This is really a statement made by Olaf Scholz, the German Chancellor, remembering, of course, that there are federal elections coming up this Sunday on the 23rd of February, which he is projected to lose.
00:08:52.500And he has said that the Germans have a very, obviously a very touchy past when it comes to inflationary deficit spending because of the rise of the Nazis in the 20s and 30s.
00:09:09.640So it's hardwired into the German nature not to do this, not like the UK, the US are doing.
00:09:17.100And it's in their constitution that the government can't borrow in any one year more than 0.35% of its annual GDP, which is a very low number by other standards.
00:09:30.880That is, of course, because of the German memory of how hyperinflation, runaway hyperinflation led to necessarily, to some extent, to totalitarianism, to bring everything back under control.
00:09:44.860So what Olaf Scholz has said is that in order to circumvent this, to get more money going for Ukraine, the next government, after the elections on Sunday, will probably need to declare a state of emergency.
00:10:04.260Astonishing thing for him to say, Steve.
00:10:11.560And, of course, they're saying that this is the regime, the international regime, saying that Donald Trump represents the great threat to norms, checks and balances.
00:10:21.860And here is one of the leading figures of Europe, saying we need to declare a state of emergency in Germany in order to get the spending, the deficit spending high enough to fill the gap left by Americans.
00:10:36.660Ben, I think these things are healthy.
00:10:44.660They've finally come to the – it took shock treatment, but it took this past week with Pete Hegseth's speech, J.D.'s speech, Scott Besson having just tough discussions with these people about mental rights, others over there, and, of course, Posobiec and the War Room and others to let these guys know, hey, we've been talking about this forever.
00:11:26.660And now when they have to – I like the fact that he's calling emergency measures because the German people are going to go, what in the hell are you doing?
00:11:33.040You're going to start borrowing now to put money into Ukraine?
00:11:36.220I think it's great that Sir Kier is over there, Starmer, saying that, oh, I'm going to commit combat troops for security.
00:11:46.920I want the Europeans to step up and then see what their people in their countries are going to say because the people in the country haven't had – haven't been hit with the economic reality of what it means to pay 5 percent of your GDP for defense.
00:12:12.640If they had read it any other way, I would think, wow, we've got to tell them again.
00:12:15.560We've been telling them now since the very first month when Theresa May came over with Boris Johnson, we told those guys and we told right after that, we told Merkel and her team.
00:12:29.600I sat down with the national security advisor and gave it to him with both barrels.
00:12:35.520You guys are going to have to step up to the plate here, and this is well before the invasion, that if they thought the Russians were such a threat, they got to kick up the spending.
00:12:50.460Well, obviously, as someone who lives here in the European Union, I don't want to see myself living under martial law and military dictatorship in order for our crooked regimes across continent Europe to fight an enemy, Vladimir Putin, that they themselves, to some extent, created in manufacturing this war going back to 2014.
00:13:16.740In fact, I only think I pay enough tax as it is.
00:13:23.280And as I said on the show in the morning, in the European stock markets, in London, in Berlin, in Italy, the various national sectors of defense have all had a bounce between like 4%, 5%, 9% in expectation that their arms industries are going to start gearing up.
00:13:47.120Not in Europe, not in the UK, not in America.
00:13:50.480No one has a problem paying in tax when it comes to legitimate areas of national defense.
00:13:56.380But there has never been explained, as you pointed out from day one, there has never been an explanation of what that national defense interest is, what the vital national interests are in fighting for the defense of a country that isn't even formally an ally.
00:16:50.780I want to make sure everybody gets up to date of all these things that are happening.
00:16:54.500Make sure that the rumor mill, you heard it from Philip Patrick first, you know, gold in London, people not delivering for, in the Bank of England, all of that.
00:17:08.060We're going to have a special, I think we'll have it by Thursday, excuse me, by Wednesday, by the time we have the Force Multiplier Academy.
00:17:17.240First of all, go cpac.org slash war room.
00:32:06.540She got typically surly, as Judge Chutton is known to do, and said, well, I want that information because why she wants it,
00:32:16.740the ruse is to try to prove up this irreparable harm to the states and then, of course, to the federal government.
00:32:24.840But what I'm really going to flag here, Steve, what's important looking ahead besides this temporary restraining order
00:32:31.160and a possible preliminary injunction is Judge Chutton setting the stage to claim to rule that Elon Musk's role violates the appointments clause.
00:33:18.940But that's what she was pushing back on.
00:33:20.820She said at least twice that the states, the plaintiffs here, had a colorable claim that Elon Musk was working outside of the appointments clause
00:33:30.340that as someone with this sort of authority, he should have been nominated to a real position that was created and confirmed by the Senate.
00:33:40.460That's the big battle that Judge Chutton is teeing up today.
00:33:44.700The temporary restraining order is just a minor issue.
00:33:48.340This is the big battle that she's setting the stage for, in my opinion.
00:39:57.060They just shipped 3 million ounces of gold bullion from the London bullion market to the U.S.
00:40:02.760That's the second largest gold bullion delivery in history.
00:40:06.580What this tells me, though, I think it's a reminder that gold is almost uniquely a physical asset, first and foremost, not just a financial asset.
00:40:18.180We have to remember a lot of the trading we see in the gold markets is imaginary, right?
00:40:24.700For some numbers, in London, there's 20 million ounces of gold that are traded every day.
00:40:29.700That's roughly an entire years of production traded every week.
00:40:34.700We see another 27 million ounces trading every day on the comics.
00:40:38.520That's the entire world's production of newly mined gold traded every two and a half days.
00:40:45.120Spoiler alert, there isn't that much gold out there.
00:40:48.820So as a result, 96 percent of the gold traded daily in London and New York markets has no physical reality.
00:40:56.340You could think of it as Schrodinger's cat, right?
00:40:59.920But the problem is, once the 4 percent of real gold has been delivered, what's going to happen then, right?
00:41:06.440At that point, it's a logistical nightmare.
00:41:09.680First of all, I think investors who think they own gold are going to discover that what they really own is an IOU.
00:41:16.600Secondly, I think we see a wave of defaults on physical gold deliveries.
00:41:20.840Remember, 96 percent of them are, by definition, impossible.
00:41:26.040And thirdly, I think those dynamics will amplify demand for physical gold because investors will realize and be reminded that only physical, tangible gold matters.
00:41:35.880It almost reminds me of the bank failures back in 2023, right?
00:41:40.700If I have a dollar in my pocket, it's really a dollar.
00:41:43.340If it's in the bank, is it really a dollar, right?
00:41:46.980We already know that if everyone tries to get their money out of the bank tomorrow, the banking system will collapse, right?
00:43:08.600But it's an interesting time to be alive.
00:43:11.840I know you're busy, but I do want to hold you just through this short break because I want to talk about this audit and how people can kind of – I think, Philip – I think a couple of three people might want to talk to the Birch Gold guys.
00:45:42.900Do the audit, give me a minute, on the audit on Fort Knox, but the Ron Paul and Rand Paul have been bugging on this forever.
00:45:52.360Why do you want to see it, and what do you hope is the outcome?
00:45:56.160For a long time, I mean, we need some transparency.
00:45:58.720Fort Knox hasn't been audited for 50 years.
00:46:01.300Basically, the last audit was in 1974, primarily because the U.S. government is refusing external audits on the grounds of national security.
00:46:11.240And this is the part that concerns me, right?
00:46:14.220They say that, you know, gold reserves are seen as a symbol of national credit, and a public order, they fear, could trigger a crisis of trust.
00:46:24.140So here's the strange thing in my mind, right?
00:46:27.660How can an audit create uncertainty unless it discovers discrepancies, right?
00:46:32.400The whole point of an audit is simply to examine financial records and to create certainty, right?
00:46:39.340So this is reminding me of the situation with the Bank of England.
00:46:42.980If the gold's really there, why can't you ship it?
00:46:57.980I want to confirm that the U.S. gold reserves are unencumbered, that they haven't been leased or sold to foreign nations or stored on their behalf.
00:47:05.620But like I say, the fact that they've been resisting an audit for decades here in the United States is in on itself very concerning, despite public calls for one.
00:47:16.940So, you know, this is just another move for transparency.
00:47:20.700And if Musk can pull it off, like I said, I'd be very interested to see the results.
00:48:18.640Last thing, the gold shipped to – real quick, I know you've got to bounce – the gold – there was a huge shipment from New York or from London to New York.
00:48:30.100Was that the arbitrage you're talking about?
00:48:31.740Is that normal course of business that people are just sensitive to it now?
00:50:48.120You know, this talk of tariffs, when we first heard about it, we figured that, you know, typically pharmaceuticals are exempt and traditionally have been exempt from these kinds of things.
00:51:00.840But what we're hearing now is that that doesn't look like that will be the case, that these tariffs may very well include pharmaceuticals.
00:51:10.860And we're starting to see more articles written about this.
00:51:13.460I guess in some ways it's heartening for me to see that this is being brought to people's awareness, the fact that why does it matter if there's tariffs?
00:51:21.420Well, it matters because all of our medications, virtually 100% of them come from overseas, and most of those come from China.
00:51:29.160So we're seeing this education is starting to pick up, people are starting to realize, and, you know, I suppose that we may even see something similar to what we're seeing in the gold industry,
00:51:41.740where, you know, people are becoming more aware, hyper aware of what's going on and wanting to have these things on hand.
00:51:48.240And it wouldn't surprise me if we start to see health systems, whether that's hospitals, large pharmacies, seeing some of this stuff coming down the pipe, whether it's tariffs,
00:51:58.760whether it's just simple supply chain disruption, as tensions are heating up between us and China,
00:52:05.160that people start to hold larger stockpiles of these medications, further exacerbating the problem.
00:52:10.780And this is all information that we've been really out there trying to get people to realize for years now.
00:52:18.840And I think this simmering pot, I don't know how much longer it will simmer before it starts to boil over.
00:52:24.600So we're here, we're still here, trying to get people access to these medications to do it in a way that they can get...
00:52:32.140Dr. Sean, hang on, I want you to stick around at the first of the hour, because these things are real.
00:52:41.380The CCP, and they've said they're just not going to sit there, President Trump's going to put in cross tariffs across them.
00:52:54.220We cannot have your personal life and your issues and your anxiety about certain things overwhelm your ability to man the ramparts.
00:53:02.000Dr. Sean, we're going to take a short break.
00:53:05.880He'll be back with us in just a moment.
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