Rachel Maddow, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rachel Maddow are joined by Mike Ben-Avraham and Mike Davis to discuss the Epstein scandal, the release of the Epstein files, and why it's time for Congress to do something about it.
00:01:32.120Now, we're going to get into some Rachel Maddow pandemic weird fear-mongering stuff.
00:01:36.060But before we do that and we bring on all the guests we have, I want to put up a tweet on screen.
00:01:40.920Because, you know, in this show, we are all about calling out and holding these feckless, weak, loser, congressional Republicans who love to run around with their strongly worded letters, though in this case all we got was a strongly worded, funny, cutesy tweet, and act like they're really tough.
00:01:58.660And we know that it's you guys, the audience, who's the only people who are actually able to give them a backbone.
00:02:04.120But despite what's happened today with the Epstein files, we're going to get into it.
00:02:07.700They thought it would be funny to put out a tweet breaking Epstein files released.
00:02:14.160Now, if you click through and you can see sort of the little disclaimer there, it's actually a link to a YouTube video of a Rick Astley music video.
00:02:39.260Now, it's not even funny because what we're talking about is the sexual abuse of young women, extremely young women, and the manipulation of this country at the highest levels, probably by foreign governments.
00:02:51.360Actually, I rephrase that to definitely, by foreign governments, would love to see the impact policy-wise, country-wise, that we've had because of people who are compromised, the names who are on those Epstein lists.
00:03:03.580But it gets to the heart of the issue that everything that congressional Republicans do is performative.
00:03:12.000Whether it's the budget, oh, all these tough talkers on Doge now are, what, voting to screw you and your grandchildren over by expanding the deficit?
00:03:30.700It's people like you, whoever wrote that idiotic tweet, that are responsible for creating a culture where there is no accountability for people like Jeffrey Epstein, who can screw over this country, operate essentially with impunity.
00:04:42.740Last time I checked, War Room's still banned on YouTube, along with a host of other conservative media outlets.
00:04:50.180So I'm so glad that you guys have found the time to put out funny tweets about the Epstein files and Epstein lists that you guys should have been all over years ago.
00:04:59.060I'm so glad you thought it was time to put a meme video out.
00:05:05.200You know, I think I finally understand why Stephen K. Bannon went to prison, because if those are, I was going to say grundoons, but I think that's still too euphemistic, the absolute children who are running House Judiciary, GOP, then we never stood a chance against the government full-blown weaponization of the Biden regime.
00:05:26.940So shame on you, House Judiciary, GOP.
00:06:15.700Public health experts, including current and former USAID officials, say that the Ebola prevention efforts were hobbled, that they've not been restarted.
00:06:26.260In 2014, you might remember there was an outbreak of Ebola in West Africa.
00:06:31.440Doctors from the United States went to countries like Guinea to go track cases and treat patients.
00:06:37.720A doctor named Craig Spencer was one of those doctors who responded to that outbreak, and he became the first person in New York City to test positive himself for Ebola in October 2014,
00:06:48.520after he was abroad treating Ebola patients in Guinea with Doctors Without Borders.
00:06:54.740Ebola has a really high mortality rate.
00:06:56.340It kills more than half the people it infects.
00:06:58.440In Dr. Spencer's case, he had 19 days in the hospital, but he survived.
00:07:02.700Today, he wrote this in response to Elon Musk's remarks about Ebola prevention being accidentally stopped, but then started back up again with no interruption.
00:07:14.120On January 29th this year, Uganda reported an Ebola outbreak.
00:07:18.520Normally, the U.S. would have quickly sent one of our Ebola experts to help the response.
00:07:22.520But this time we didn't, because we couldn't, because this administration wouldn't let them go right when this outbreak was declared.
00:07:28.320Normally, the U.S. would have helped set up border screening and other measures on the ground, but this time we didn't.
00:07:34.700Normally, we would have spoken with the WHO about helping end the outbreak, but this time we didn't, because CDC staff weren't even allowed to talk to them.
00:07:43.780And just very recently, hundreds of CDC workers, those frontline doctors and epidemiologists who would be responding to outbreaks like Ebola abroad, Ebola in the United States,
00:07:55.360and other infectious threats that you just highlighted, 750 of those people were let go.
00:08:01.280Regardless of what Elon Musk and others say, we have set ourselves up to be very sorry for an infectious threat, maybe next week, maybe next month, maybe next year.
00:08:10.160But I've been saying over and over again, we will regret this.
00:08:12.840We always love that predictive programming, or I guess I should say fear-mongering, over the next pandemic, right, the, what was it, one-in-a-hundred-year pandemic that seems to happen, what, every now, 10 years, 10 days, really, at this rate.
00:08:27.820But I want to drill down on this for a second, because Rachel Maddow dedicated her entire show last night to the idea of Ebola prevention, gone amok, gone amiss, because of the actions by Doge.
00:08:40.160Now, Rachel Maddow, I'd tell you to fire your staff, because they, again, have had you spread fake news, but I think they've already been laid off amidst all the cuts, though.
00:08:50.980Hey, I guess unlike Doge, MSNBC wasn't even actually nice enough to give them the chance to give an email with the five things that they had done.
00:08:57.900They just got the axe, but I guess maybe they can walk out the door with Joy Reid.
00:09:02.280Much prefer that version of Joy than Kamala Harris's iteration of it.
00:09:06.940But speaking of things that I guess probably make you want to throw up, I guess that is Ebola.
00:09:12.620But there's something quite interesting there, right, the idea that we're deviating from the normal consensus of how we would respond to Ebola outbreaks.
00:09:21.660Well, not to make everything about Hunter Biden, but I want to show you the grift that is USAID, that is DARPA, that, frankly, is Ebola prevention.
00:09:31.940Or I guess Racket would be a better explanation, because the company that was responsible for responding to the 2014 Ebola outbreak was a company that you guys, this audience, may be very well aware of called Metabiota.
00:09:48.160Now, you may know it off the top of your head because it was the company that set up the weird biolabs in Ukraine, but more precisely because it was a company that received millions of dollars from none other than Hunter Biden and the offshoot of his firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners, known as Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners, and to the tune of $30 million in their first round of funding.
00:10:11.380I believe one of their board seats was someone who was also from Hunter Biden, RSTP World.
00:10:17.720Now, as you can see on screen right there, this company was tasked with, like I said, responding to the Ebola outbreak in Africa, and they, quote, bungled the response.
00:10:29.100It was so bad that the World Health Organization actually had to get involved and say, we want nothing to do with you because you're not tracking samples, you're not doing anything meaningful to stop this outbreak.
00:10:41.100And we can't even contact you, and we can't even contact you, and you're mixing up and messing up samples.
00:10:48.320So, Rachel Maddow, if that's what you want business as usual to be, a grift company that's invested quite heavily in by the offspring, the princelings of Democrat politicians who are doing actually nothing substantive on the ground,
00:11:07.120then, yeah, I guess we're happy to deviate away from that.
00:11:13.580Or should we play the equivalent of, I guess, pathogenic, biological, fast and furious scandal by shipping over not just humanized mice models,
00:11:22.600but deadly, deadly pathogens to Chinese Communist Party-run labs like, I don't know, the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
00:11:29.120Is that what pandemic prevention is to you?
00:11:32.820Well, apparently it still is because there's news breaking today that that very same lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is now working on a virus using same gain-of-function type manipulations,
00:11:44.660using the humanized mouse models of a COVID derivative.
00:11:53.920This is the establishment's modus operandi.
00:12:00.420They create the problems and then blame us, right?
00:12:05.120The Inflation Reduction Act, that sure did a lot to reduce inflation.
00:12:09.600What was it, outperforming by two percentage points today?
00:12:12.840Yeah, we're so, we're the experts, trust the experts.
00:12:15.200We were only off on inflation by, what, two percent, double what the initial projection was, right?
00:12:23.580And now all the fear porn over the bird flu and measles, which are frankly on track with the regular rates that we see,
00:12:30.920but I guess they have to find a way to nag RFK Jr., right?
00:12:34.940Or how about this, all the coverage on the plane crashes, which we know is happening because of DEI.
00:12:40.260Complex systems theory don't quite work all that well when the people that you're hiring are not all that intelligent to begin with.
00:12:50.000But it's funny, I didn't see the mainstream media covering all those food processing centers getting blown up,
00:12:54.980or the weird spike in train derailments, right?
00:12:57.820It's only when it fits a certain narrative that they're willing to go complete, full steam ahead on these completely premeditated narratives.
00:13:08.980And do you know why they're ramming this down the throat of the American people?
00:13:13.560Because they are so desperate, lashing out over what President Trump is trying to do
00:13:18.540to prevent the mass firing and termination of tens of thousands, I think we're at about 20,000 now, federal workers.
00:13:28.100Right, a new OPM memo coming out just yesterday, sort of the second iteration of the one that launched that initial lawfare
00:13:35.180with Justice, or rather Judge John McConnell up in Rhode Island and Amit Mehta down here in D.C.,
00:21:35.900Because right now we've got Schrodinger's Epstein list.
00:21:39.920It does, and it both doesn't exist at the same time.
00:21:42.760And people are starting to get curious about what's going on there.
00:21:45.800I will say in the defense of these influencers, you know, they go in there for a series of policy briefings.
00:21:51.620Of course, you know, I was about to say, of course, you get invited to go to the White House, you go to the White House.
00:21:55.420I actually got invited to go to the White House today, and I couldn't make it.
00:21:58.160That was for the UK-US event, not for this event this morning.
00:22:01.780But they were only told after they were pictured with these binders by the national and international media that, hey, these things are like off the record.
00:22:11.500We don't want the public knowing that we've handed this to you yet because we're preparing a release on it for later this afternoon or early tomorrow morning, whatever it is.
00:22:19.940And so it just turns out that, you know, a lot of people on the Internet I saw this afternoon suggesting there's this wide conspiracy by all of these influencers.
00:22:27.140Maybe they're pedophile sympathizers and all of this.
00:22:29.480It turns out it's just good old-fashioned clusterfudgery.
00:22:33.500Well, you pick up on something interesting there, right, because now their defense that they're coming out with is essentially saying that certain FBI offices, I believe they singled out that of New York, are the ones who are withholding the documents, which doesn't quite square with what we were told, like you just alluded to last night on Fox, the interview between Pam Bondi and Jesse Waters.
00:22:56.100So I'm just curious your thoughts there and just to bring one other element of interplay here that you have, of course, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, who's leading the declassification task force, tweeting out, and I quote,
00:23:10.660I nor the task force were given or reviewed the Epstein documents being released today.
00:23:14.780A New York Post story just revealed that the documents will simply be Epstein's phone book.
00:23:19.340This is not what we are the American people asked for.
00:23:22.020Get us the information we asked for instead of leaking old info to the press.
00:23:26.960So it seems like there is some communication breakdown.
00:23:31.400I'm curious where you think the holdup is here.
00:23:37.600Is it Congress just not liaising with them?
00:23:39.540What's sort of the root of the issue in your opinion?
00:23:43.000I think there are probably three answers to that question, and the broader answer is a part of each three of those things.
00:23:48.860Number one, AG Pamboni is getting over her skis on this.
00:23:53.160You know, she wants perhaps to release this information, but she doesn't have it.
00:23:57.140She's going on television to claim she has it in order to get it released to her.
00:24:00.760She's doing this stunt at the White House today without kind of reading the White House in to this wider situation, again, in order perhaps to get this information out.
00:24:09.180And, of course, you have to understand that there are still holdovers in the federal government.
00:24:13.620You know, all the people who are working those desk jobs at the FBI and the DOJ, they have not all yet been fired.
00:24:20.380They have not all yet been extricated from their positions.
00:24:22.520And so there are people in there who are obviously trying to block this, trying to redact certain things, and she's kind of fighting against that.
00:24:28.980So I won't go so far as to say right now that this is, you know, a resigning offense for her.
00:24:35.120But I do think that people are starting to query like, hey, listen, just be honest with us.
00:24:39.400If you can't get some information out that you're trying to get out right now, then you must tell the public that.
00:24:44.800The front of the binders today, Natalie, said most transparent administration in U.S. history.
00:24:49.520So let's live up to that promise and actually tell them I don't want to hear that this is some 5D chess that they're playing and that, you know, they've got to jump.
00:24:56.920And it's like Elon going like, oh, I was doing this.
00:24:59.800I was doing a pulse check on these all these people.
00:25:02.220Like, let's actually have the conversations out in public so that ordinary members, the public, especially the Trump voters all around the country, can make their minds up as to what is happening.
00:25:11.260There is such a thing as being too clever by half.
00:25:14.660And I think perhaps A.G. Bondi is falling into that trap.
00:25:17.460Now, listen, it's not an easy job, and this is perhaps the hardest part of the coalface you could possibly have is the Epstein list, right?
00:25:24.020It's up there with with the JFK files.
00:25:27.700It's up there with, you know, all other manner of either conspiracies or cover ups that have happened in America for the last 50, 60 odd years.
00:25:37.740So I'm not ready to point the finger at her and say this is a disgrace.
00:26:08.340I was happy, by the way, with what VP Vance did today, accosting Sir Keir Starmer over freedom of speech issues in the United Kingdom.
00:26:16.220But I do think Trump went really easy on him.
00:26:18.060And, of course, he's playing the diplomat.
00:26:19.400He's the president of the United States.
00:26:20.580He knows he has a role to play here that is kind of above the partisan political fray and that Sir Keir Starmer is a guest in this country.
00:26:27.340And Donald Trump, as you and I both know and a lot of this audience knows, is an amazing host.
00:26:32.620He loves hosting people, likes putting people at ease.
00:26:34.720But there are several flashpoints that stood out to me on this.
00:26:37.320One is the Chagos Islands deal, which may mean nothing to this audience.
00:26:40.800We've had Nigel Farage come on and talk about it before.
00:26:43.700This is about a deal for a very, very important base in Diego Garcia that the Mauritians are trying to sell to the Chinese.
00:26:51.680And President Trump suggested that this deal may actually get his support.
00:26:54.480That would be a major geostrategic error on this administration's part and on the part in the wider sense of United States national security.
00:27:01.920I also think that, you know, there wasn't enough because Sir Keir Starmer, remember, is the one who presided over the grooming gang scandal.
00:27:09.580He's a person who is cracking down on Christians who are opposing abortion in the United Kingdom.
00:27:13.940He's the one cracking down on free speech in general.
00:27:15.920He's helping Islamists all over the country.
00:27:18.500And so I would have liked a little bit more JD attitude in there to say, hey, we hear you.
00:27:24.580But these issues must be rectified before we're willing to march in lockstep with you.
00:27:28.380And while I have a second, I want to encourage everybody to go to thenationalpulse.com forward slash war room and sign up for more of our reporting.
00:27:34.920Well, I was going to ask you to do that, but you beat me to it.
00:27:46.120I find myself, you know, more and more retweeting a lot of the old stories that I published because they're only becoming increasingly relevant.
00:27:53.640If people want to follow you, Raheem, where can they go to do that and get all the National Pulse scoops and stories?
00:28:31.240Like Raheem said, something I certainly wish there would have been more discussion about since the UK is where so much of all that emanates from.
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00:30:47.920But this Epstein situation, I think it's something that the American people are very sensitive about.
00:30:52.560And rightfully so because we have been lied to for so long about it.
00:30:56.020And if the Trump administration wants to be known as the most transparent administration in history, then I think they have a wonderful opportunity to do that for the American people with this issue.
00:31:06.380I want to bring on someone who knows, I think, just a little bit about censorship and all things transparency.
00:31:12.480That is, of course, Mike Benz, who joins us now.
00:31:14.800Mike, I know we wanted to drill down on the U.K. meeting.
00:31:18.700But before we get into that, I would love to just sort of get your assessment on – I was about to ask you why this whole Epstein client file list release is such a big deal.
00:31:27.220But that's probably something that we could do multiple hours on.
00:31:30.200So limited to the scope of sort of what's happening today, your assessment on the rollout, what you think we need to see.
00:31:38.120Well, I think the intention of this was to try to do what worked very well during the Twitter files, which was that you have this release go out to a select number of people who can really dive into it.
00:31:49.180And then it would be made fully public later in time.
00:31:51.880And that, I believe, is the intention.
00:31:53.640People who have received these binders have said everything that they have is going to be up on a website at some point in time in the very near future.
00:32:02.940But Liz Wheeler, who received one of these binders, put up a post that was very, I think, important for context, basically saying that Pam Bondi has felt that there was a betrayal at the Southern District of New York, SDNY, which was the main locus of all things lawfare against Trump world.
00:32:21.360They're the ones with the Epstein files.
00:32:23.580You know, Epstein was being held in the prison in New York.
00:32:27.360It was actually Maureen Comey, the daughter of James Comey, the FBI director who was in charge of all things blobcraft at the FBI against Donald Trump.
00:32:40.120Now, Maureen Comey actually is a prosecutor at the SDNY, and she co-led the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and prosecution prior to his prior to Epstein's death.
00:32:54.340What we're hearing now is that part of the delay is that from the White House release or, I'm sorry, the Justice Department release of this has been stonewalling from the Southern District of New York, stonewalling from Comey Central, from Letitia James Central.
00:33:11.940And the fact is, Liz Wheeler came out and said, there's really nothing in these 200 pages that were released to us, but that right now I think the focus is on trying to penetrate deeper into SDNY and get the files that they're claiming they are not giving up.
00:33:32.140So it looks like there's a civil war, basically, between Maine Justice and the New York blobcraft branch.
00:33:40.960It is curious to me, though, because I do believe, if I'm not misremembering, that she did claim yesterday on Fox that they had the list, right, that they were getting ready to release it.
00:33:50.760So I do think that that is something that I'm sure people will get into.
00:33:54.660But I want to pivot since we spent a lot of time on this, and I want to give due time to what happened with the U.K. today.
00:34:00.780Had I been there, I was getting ready for this show, so I didn't have a chance to ask a question.
00:34:06.120But you know better than anyone, probably, that the U.K. really has been sort of the tip of the spear, at least funding financially or at least providing the manpower on a lot of these censorship programs, like the Global Disinformation Index.
00:34:18.280I didn't hear that much discussion of that today, but I'm just curious from that purview, that perspective, how you think today's meeting went.
00:34:25.300Well, I love the line from J.D. Vance when he said straight to Kerr Starmer's face, I said what I said.
00:34:38.900People are being arrested for hitting the retweet button.
00:34:42.020And, you know, Kerr Starmer tried to, you know, kind of dodge and weave through that.
00:34:47.300But the fact is, is Kerr Starmer's chief of staff is a man named Morgan McSweeney.
00:34:53.020Morgan McSweeney was the founder of CCDH, the Center for Countering Digital Hate, whose own donor impact reports, it's been reported.
00:35:02.160And we have all the screenshots from Paul Thacker, the investigative journalist who obtained these, that the number one priority item was to kill Musk's Twitter.
00:35:09.920See, Kerr Starmer's defense was, listen, yeah, we censor our own citizens here in the U.K., but it's not going to affect you in the U.S.
00:35:21.940CCDH, which again was created by the man who is currently the chief of staff of Kerr Starmer, the gatekeeper for anyone who wants access to Kerr Starmer.
00:35:32.260It was his chief of staff who created CCDH, whose own top goal is to kill the U.S. social media giant X.
00:35:42.500And then in addition to that, in the donor reports, it showed how their goal was to impact U.S. policy about the regulation of speech,
00:35:52.160to get the U.S. regulators and U.S. universities and thought leadership folks to adopt what they call the STAR framework,
00:35:59.560which is basically a censorship framework with a little acronym attached.
00:36:03.900They detailed their meetings, their policy meetings with Senator Amy Klobuchar and other high-ranking U.S. figures.
00:36:10.820They are funded directly by Kerr Starmer's U.K. foreign office, their version of the State Department,
00:36:17.020in order to influence U.S. policy to get America to censor what the Brits want us to censor.
00:36:24.520For example, the Brits want us waging their war against Russia.
00:36:27.920The great game of the U.K. against Russia has been raging for 175 years,
00:36:34.700including all the way back to the Crimean War in the 1800s.
00:36:38.260The fact is, is we have been Britain's pawn in many respects in this conflict about Ukraine and Russia
00:36:45.540because London money juices U.S. politics.
00:36:49.200It juices the D.C. networks, this haloed transatlantic relationship.