Bannon's War Room - Episode 4322： DOGE Stirs Tension Among The Cabinet; The Last Place For Dems To Go Are The Courts

00:00:00.280 Honest to God, I'll talk to the SIGs about bumping you to business.

00:00:07.500 True story.

00:00:07.840 We'll use some air miles and bump you to business.

00:00:08.880 One million percent true story.

00:00:10.020 I hope I didn't get anyone in trouble by exposing it out of air,

00:00:14.140 but we'll talk another time.

00:00:15.880 Steve, I'll speak to you over the weekend.

00:00:17.120 Have a great weekend, you guys, and you too, folks, the bowling crew.

00:00:23.360 Eric Bowling, the best.

00:00:24.860 That's a real compliment.

00:00:26.080 That would be a hell of an interview, particularly what's going on today.

00:00:28.320 Okay, Lavrov, you know, is an OG, original gangster.

00:00:34.260 I would love to see that interview.

00:00:36.020 Okay, so much going on today.

00:00:37.680 The president is shortly going to leave on a Marine one.

00:00:42.420 We will get that when it's available.

00:00:44.800 Let's go ahead and play.

00:00:45.720 We have a cold open about the New York Times broke a story.

00:00:49.760 There's a lot we don't know about what happened at the cabinet meeting yesterday.

00:00:54.060 It's now coming to light, a tad controversial.

00:00:57.180 This makes the true social that the president put out very clear.

00:01:02.060 It is Friday, 7 March, the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:01:04.920 Let's go ahead and let it rip.

00:01:07.340 Reduced to the role of spectator.

00:01:09.800 The Times cites five people with knowledge of the confrontation.

00:01:13.780 Reports this about an argument between Elon Musk and Marco Rubio.

00:01:17.900 Quote, you fired nobody, Musk told Rubio, then scornfully added that perhaps the only person he had fired was a staff member from his Department of Government efficiency.

00:01:28.780 Rubio had been privately furious with Musk for weeks, ever since his Doge team effectively shuttered an entire agency that was supposedly under Rubio's control.

00:01:37.780 The United States Agency for International Development.

00:01:41.500 Musk was not being truthful, Rubio said.

00:01:44.000 What about the more than 1,500 State Department officials who took early retirement in buyouts?

00:01:48.800 Didn't they count as layoffs, he asked sarcastically, whether Musk wanted him to rehire all those people just so he could make a show of firing them again.

00:01:56.540 Then he laid out his detailed plans for reorganizing the State Department.

00:02:00.560 Musk was unimpressed.

00:02:01.620 He told Rubio he was, quote, good on TV, with the clear subtext being he wasn't good for much else.

00:02:08.080 Where was Donald Trump in all this?

00:02:09.960 The Times reports that he sat back as if he was watching a tennis match.

00:02:14.020 Ultimately, he, quote, intervened to defend, wait for it, Rubio, said he was doing a great job.

00:02:21.160 Rubio has a lot to deal with, the president said.

00:02:23.400 He's very busy, he's always traveling, and on TV, and he has an agency to run.

00:02:28.300 So everyone just needs to work together, end quote.

00:02:31.060 And then for the first time since his inauguration, Trump put some restraints on Elon Musk.

00:02:37.560 From this reporting, quote, from now on, he said, the secretaries would be in charge.

00:02:41.880 The Musk team will only advise.

00:02:44.020 Joining our coverage, host of MSNBC's Politics Nation, president of the National Action Network, the Reverend Al Sharpton joins us.

00:02:50.880 Christy and Michael are still here.

00:02:51.940 Rev, I have been watching the Bannon-Musk power struggle with keen interest since it first emerged during the campaign.

00:03:01.480 And I think I said on television, do not ever bet against the guy who was willing to go to jail to not testify before Congress.

00:03:10.980 And the guy who sort of in, I don't know if his life, I don't know enough about his life, but who seems to understand the base and the most powerful elements of the Trump base better than anybody in Trump land.

00:03:24.180 And that is Steve Bannon.

00:03:25.100 And I don't have any idea if Bannon has any role in all this, but it does seem like Musk has stumbled, not by taking more attention from Trump, which is how most people stumble, but by dirtying him up politically.

00:03:38.020 The things that Musk is doing are not popular among Republican voters in Republican districts.

00:03:43.540 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:03:51.320 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:03:56.540 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:04:00.840 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:04:02.760 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:04:04.180 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:04:06.860 It's going to happen.

00:04:08.140 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:04:11.540 Mega Media.

00:04:12.460 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:04:18.320 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:04:22.080 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:04:28.420 War Room.

00:04:29.300 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:04:36.500 Okay, folks.

00:04:37.740 It is Friday, 7 March, Euro-Roller 2025.

00:04:41.260 I really like doing that handoff from Eric Bolling.

00:04:46.980 I've known Eric for so long and such a great guy, such a great news hound.

00:04:52.280 We have a lot to talk about.

00:04:55.760 New York Times' explosive story out today with many witnesses, and it hasn't been denied by anybody.

00:05:02.340 So I know the New York Times, and particularly Maggie, right?

00:05:06.020 President Trump's favorite, Maggie Averman.

00:05:09.000 As President Trump said, fake news.

00:05:10.960 But it hasn't been denied by anybody, and it's been out there for a while, and it's causing a firestorm about this.

00:05:18.680 The cabinet meeting was a brawl.

00:05:22.300 It may be the most contentious cabinet meeting.

00:05:26.520 I guess it was an official cabinet meeting, but it did take place, I believe, in the cabinet room and not the Roosevelt Room, which is right across the small hall from it.

00:05:34.780 They're all basically connected to the Oval Office.

00:05:37.200 It may be the most contentious meeting ever held there, even more contentious than a couple times they almost had fistfights during the Cuban Missile Crisis with some of the joint chiefs.

00:05:49.200 But very, very, very fascinating about what's going on, particularly when we think we started the show this morning, how did we start at the White House with Chip Roy?

00:06:00.660 And Chip had just come to the meeting with the president talking about, guess what, the CR, the financing.

00:06:06.420 You know, it's all industry linked with this financial plan and economic plan that Scott Besson's talking about, that markets are reacting to, all of it.

00:06:14.000 This is all kind of, you know, geopolitics, geoeconomics, capital markets, what President Trump's trying to do.

00:06:20.960 And Chip, I think for the first time we got kind of the official, a little bit of official bad news that the White House and the president and everybody are talking about a clean CR, which this audience is not going to be thrilled with, not going to be happy with.

00:06:36.060 Right now, with no Democrats that are going to vote for the president in the House, that means, because Tom Massey's probably going to be a hard no, as he always is, that means that essentially with what we got, I think you might be able to lose one other.

00:06:50.860 That means all the Freedom Caucus, all this audience's congressmen are going to have to vote for it.

00:06:56.400 The government's going to shut down.

00:06:57.380 And we talked about Doge and the lack of specificity of the numbers has still been a big concern.

00:07:03.040 We're going to get into all of that.

00:07:04.720 But there's other breaking news.

00:07:06.840 So on the legal side, I got Mike Davis here.

00:07:10.140 I want to play the law firm first.

00:07:15.020 We're going to talk legal and then we're going to talk Dan Bongino.

00:07:17.900 So there's so much going on.

00:07:19.020 President Trump's getting ready to leave.

00:07:20.560 We're going to cover all this live.

00:07:22.400 We've got some amazing guests this afternoon.

00:07:24.500 Josh Phillips from Epoch Times is going to join us.

00:07:27.020 The Epoch Times, it turns out, is under an onslaught of cyber warfare attacks from the Chinese Communist Party.

00:07:33.400 The FBI has kind of broken that case today.

00:07:37.480 Talk about Chinese nationals here that are working for the CCP. 1.00

00:07:40.740 We'll get that.

00:07:41.320 Charlie Kumar is here to talk about Scott Besson, tariffs, all of it.

00:07:46.080 And he's saying, hey, the ability to bring back millions of jobs back here to the United States is really the key.

00:07:52.480 And Terry Schilling is going to join us.

00:07:53.520 So we're packed for the next couple of hours.

00:07:56.340 Let's go ahead and play the Perkins Coie thing.

00:07:59.060 And I'm going to bring in I'm going to bring in the Mike Davis.

00:08:01.360 In the latest chapter of Donald Trump's promised retribution, he has signed an executive order against a law firm called Perkins Coie.

00:08:12.060 The executive order is a sweeping directive.

00:08:14.360 It bans the federal government from hiring this one firm or from using contractors who work with this one firm, except in very limited circumstances.

00:08:23.220 The executive order also bars this firm, Perkins Coie, employees from entering any federal building and suspends all of their security clearances.

00:08:32.960 It is a direct hit against one of Trump's perceived political enemies in the private sector.

00:08:40.600 The Washington law firm has, among many clients, represented Hillary Clinton and the DNC during the 2016 presidential race.

00:08:49.360 Perkins Coie also handled the 65 lawsuits that the Trump campaign filed in their efforts to overturn his defeat in 2020 when he ran against Joe Biden.

00:09:01.040 That firm won all but one of those cases in excess of 60 cases against Team Trump, thanks in large part to a friend of this program, Mark Elias, who once worked at the firm.

00:09:14.200 See, the dots are all connected.

00:09:15.820 A spokesperson for Perkins Coie calls the executive order, quote, patently unlawful.

00:09:21.560 They intend to challenge it.

00:09:23.000 The Washington Post describes Trump's retaliation like this, quote, the move could have a chilling effect on law firms' willingness to take on clients and cases that run counter to the Trump administration,

00:09:34.280 challenging a fundamental tenet of the rule of law in the United States that everyone should have access to legal representation.

00:09:40.660 Okay, this is massive.

00:09:45.920 The law firms run this town, and they are out of control.

00:09:50.220 They run it with an iron grip, and President Trump is bound and determined to break that iron grip, and this is going to be flat-out warfare.

00:09:59.040 Mike Davis, the viceroy.

00:10:00.760 She also mentions Mark Elias, but she fails to mention the senior partner.

00:10:06.380 I think it's Bob Bauer, who's not just Biden's lawyer, right?

00:10:10.880 I think he's married to Anita Dunn.

00:10:12.440 I mean, they're a couple like Kagan and Victoria Nuland.

00:10:16.000 It's one of these demonic couples, you know, Bill and Hillary Clinton. 0.90

00:10:18.720 These Democrats are these demonic couples.

00:10:21.400 This is a power player's law firm, and the Trump White House is going to war with it.

00:10:28.120 And, hey, what I admire about them, they ain't backing down.

00:10:30.440 They're coming right back today in court.

00:10:32.160 Mike Davis, your thoughts?

00:10:33.160 So the President of the United States is the Commander-in-Chief under our Constitution, and as the Commander-in-Chief, the President and the President alone gets to decide who has access to classified information.

00:10:49.960 And so if the President of the United States doesn't want Perkins Coie or any other law firm or person to have access to classified information, that is his absolute right.

00:11:01.000 And I don't think it's reviewable by a court.

00:11:03.660 And I would also say this, isn't this the same Perkins Coie that made up the Russian collusion hoax back in 2016 that ran to the FISA court and got an illegal spy warrant, lied to the FISA court, got an illegal spy warrant on then-presidential candidate Donald Trump.

00:11:23.700 They continued to spy on President Donald Trump when he was the president of the United States.

00:11:29.380 They colluded with intel agencies and law enforcement to make up Crossfire Hurricane.

00:11:34.100 So this law firm has proven that it can't be trusted with our nation's most classified secrets because they politicized and weaponized Crossfire Hurricane, which is the biggest scandal in American history.

00:11:49.060 They hobbled the president, and they continued the lawfare against President Trump after he left office.

00:11:54.840 The four indictments for non-crimes, they tried to throw him off the ballot under a bogus theory under the Constitution.

00:12:02.900 They underfunded Trump's Secret Service protection and tried to take off its head.

00:12:07.300 They know that President Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Cash Patel are going to get to the bottom of Crossfire Hurricane, and it's going to make a lot of heads roll in Washington, D.C.

00:12:20.960 So justice is coming.

00:12:24.840 So if you – I think it was a Tom Cruise movie.

00:12:30.540 I think I had Gene Hackman years ago called The Firm, right?

00:12:34.340 And his kid gets out of law school, and he thinks he's working for a white shoe firm, and he finds out that there are all kind of criminal activities, and they're working with the mob, and they're working with bad guys.

00:12:45.560 I mean, Perkins Coie and Covington & Burley, these are two big-time law firms, but they're edge players.

00:12:52.620 And President Trump, there's a bigger thing here.

00:12:54.880 I mean, he's using the classification.

00:13:00.260 But his intention, I'm sure, is to cut him off from any government contract work or lobbying or anything.

00:13:04.320 He wants to put him out of business because of Bob Bauer.

00:13:07.380 What does this mean?

00:13:08.560 You know, President Trump's got enough enemies.

00:13:09.940 When he goes to the center of the power structure of Washington, D.C., are the law firms.

00:13:15.640 Am I incorrect on that, Mike Davis?

00:13:18.980 Not at all.

00:13:19.740 And I would tell these big corporate clients who hire Perkins Coie and Covington, it might not be the best bet you're making from your corporation to hire either of those law firms for any matter that's before the federal government.

00:13:35.160 I seriously doubt those clients are going to have the best representation with Covington & Burley and Perkins Coie.

00:13:42.220 Mike Davis, can you hang on for a second?

00:13:47.120 I've got a few more things to go through on this issue.

00:13:50.020 I want to talk some overall legal because now, particularly with the CR, the theory of the case here is about impoundments.

00:13:59.780 The theory of the case up on Capitol Hill with Lindsey Graham and those guys are rescissions.

00:14:03.960 Either way, we're going to be headed to a court, a federal court.

00:14:10.040 Also, Dan Bongino, they're really going after Dan Bongino today and the FBI.

00:14:14.160 All of it.

00:14:14.640 I got the Viceroy from the Article 3 project, the founder, the one, the only, Mike Davis.

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00:17:12.440 big old fight coming.

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00:17:47.860 Mike, I'll take this in the context of the, so we had Chip on today, and the audience

00:17:53.520 were not manning the ramparts yet, because those things still in motion, still flux over

00:17:57.640 the weekend to put this deal together.

00:17:59.740 But in its best case, brother, we're going to have to take a risk that, because Doge doesn't

00:18:07.920 really have numbers yet, but they're coming to numbers, and it's kind of confusing what

00:18:11.620 Elon's got and what he doesn't have, and that's one of the reasons for this blow-up, both

00:18:15.480 at the Senate lunch yesterday and at the, or the day before, I guess on Wednesday, and

00:18:20.300 then at the cabinet meeting yesterday, or this kind of quasi-cabinet meeting.

00:18:26.360 And this is that, you know, we're on this series, issue of impoundment, you know, we've

00:18:31.900 been, you know, Russ Vogt, Mark Payaletta, Mike Davis, others, hey, we're going to have

00:18:36.320 this, but when I look at what's going on, and we love Pam, right, and there was this

00:18:42.240 Epstein issue, she says she's getting to the bottom of it, but it's like the SDNY was

00:18:47.300 hiding stuff.

00:18:48.180 I mean, the SDNY, I thought we were cleaning house.

00:18:51.700 I still see that there were all these U.S.

00:18:54.600 attorneys that Biden picks, and you know how that is, it just can't be, you got to get

00:18:58.260 rid of all of them.

00:18:59.120 It's all, it's a bacillus in the system.

00:19:01.560 I see other times we're losing, and I'm not pointing the finger at anybody.

00:19:06.780 What I'm saying is that I know we got a team, and we're putting together, it's going

00:19:09.720 along, guys are getting confirmed, Todd Blanche just got there, but we're at war.

00:19:15.040 And one of the biggest avenues of warfare, and this gets back to the top of the show

00:19:19.820 with Perkins Coy and Covington and Burley, that the town is run by lawyers, most of these

00:19:28.140 big law firms are stacked with Democratic partners, and they're all intermarried and

00:19:33.040 went to school with each other.

00:19:34.140 It's a whole network, and it's just little old MAGA, right?

00:19:37.880 We got a handful of guys like Mike Davis coming off the, from, blowing in from Iowa and on

00:19:43.640 the ski slopes in Colorado, and you know, we're outgunned.

00:19:47.560 So we got to be at the top of our game, and I'll be honest with you, I'm not feeling it

00:19:51.280 right now when it comes to the legal side, and I realize I got some good people, and people

00:19:54.840 are coming on board, but we have to, we don't have the option of not being at our best, because

00:20:01.180 the central line of attack with everything else is going to be legal, and that's where

00:20:06.520 they think they're going to grind us up and chop Trump up, and that's why Trump's going

00:20:11.000 on offense.

00:20:11.920 Just, you're, you're, am I, is that too, or do you see where I'm going on this, sir?

00:20:17.060 I do, but remember what they're trying to do in this administration.

00:20:21.220 I mean, we, President Trump campaigned on the fact that he's going to hire Elon Musk

00:20:25.440 and Doge, and they're going to lay waste to the federal government's waste, fraud, and

00:20:30.000 abuse, and I don't think that the American people or anyone really expected Elon Musk

00:20:35.520 to be able to move this quickly.

00:20:38.280 I mean, he, within days, was ripping the sign off of USAID, and so, of course, you're, you're

00:20:45.780 seeing an unprecedented lawfare challenge to this, because President Trump won the White

00:20:51.080 House, we won back the Senate, we kept the House.

00:20:54.380 The only place where these Democrats have to go now is to the courts, and they're bringing

00:20:59.220 dozens of lawsuits to these activist judges all over the country.

00:21:04.560 And so, you know, it's because of the unprecedented moves that President Trump is making with these

00:21:11.500 executive orders with Doge to fulfill his campaign promises and the unprecedented number of lawsuits

00:21:18.680 in response.

00:21:19.820 I mean, it's, it would be hard for any fully staffed Justice Department to keep up, let

00:21:26.220 alone a Justice Department at the very beginning that is stacked with Democrats, right?

00:21:32.120 And so, I don't want to lay blame on anyone's doorstep, because it's just unprecedented.

00:21:39.300 I'm also, I'm also not trying to, yeah, I'm not trying to blame, but I guess what you're

00:21:43.380 saying is, hey, yo, you got days of thunder, we had a couple of years to work through where

00:21:47.860 we want to go policy-wise, we had a longer time to work on the executive orders, they were

00:21:52.200 tighter, but as their, their counter is with lawfare again, the scale of it, you're saying

00:21:58.920 we're just going to have to figure out how to scale up, I guess, on the, on the counter

00:22:02.120 attack is what you're saying, correct?

00:22:03.940 Yeah, I mean, I've, I talked to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, regularly.

00:22:07.420 I went and met her last week in her office for over an hour.

00:22:10.800 She's on top of her game.

00:22:12.520 She just, she just needs help.

00:22:13.900 They just, the Senate just confirmed Todd Blanche yesterday, the Deputy Attorney General.

00:22:19.600 Look, the Senate's actually, I want to give John Thune credit for this. 0.86

00:22:22.760 We gave him a bunch of crap early on about, you know, giving the Senate an attitude

00:22:27.680 adjustment, but after we gave these senators an attitude adjustment, they've actually been 0.92

00:22:32.200 confirming these nominees at a record pace.

00:22:35.060 It just takes a long time.

00:22:36.200 I ran the nominations for the Justice Department when I was the Chief Counsel for Nominations

00:22:40.740 back in 2017.

00:22:42.600 It takes a long time.

00:22:43.540 Hell, it took 18 months last time to confirm Jeff Clark to be Assistant Attorney General at

00:22:50.620 the, at the Justice Department.

00:22:52.160 They're, they're, we're getting ready to confirm Gail Slater, the Assistant Attorney General for

00:22:56.700 Antitrust next Tuesday, right?

00:22:58.440 So they are moving fast.

00:23:00.240 It just naturally takes a long time to staff up, but they're actually moving at a record

00:23:06.140 pace.

00:23:06.740 And then while they're getting staff, staffed up at a record pace, you have President Trump

00:23:12.080 who is ready to govern on day one.

00:23:15.660 And he is just coming out and throwing haymakers with these executive orders.

00:23:21.100 And then you have the nerds at Doge who are like autistic and remarkably smart are figuring

00:23:28.260 out ways with their, their coding nerd stuff that they're doing that they're just ripping

00:23:32.960 apart these agencies.

00:23:34.660 And so we've, we've never seen anything this.

00:23:36.980 And so my, I guess my message is it's going to be a bumpy road here for the next several

00:23:42.720 months until they're fully staffed up, but it's worth it.

00:23:45.680 You know, it's interesting.

00:23:49.100 I want to connect some dots that you said that, that this is some of the controversy

00:23:53.280 that led to the confrontation.

00:23:55.680 Number one, I do, and I'm a big supporter of Doge and getting in there and deconstruct

00:23:59.440 the administrative state.

00:24:00.500 I want to make sure we stick the landing.

00:24:02.240 This is number one, like the numbers for this CR.

00:24:04.600 We got it.

00:24:05.060 We just have to have something.

00:24:06.860 Number two, but it goes back to your point and particularly Thune.

00:24:09.600 And I, I'm been very critical of Thune, but I agree with you when he got the message 1.00

00:24:14.840 on the confirmations, folks, we ran the table on confirmations.

00:24:18.840 Nobody thought we'd do that.

00:24:20.200 Nobody thought we'd do that.

00:24:22.800 And I think that was part of the controversy at this lunch or what the sentence getting

00:24:26.100 in and saying, Hey, we've confirmed all these guys and many are controversial, but we

00:24:32.180 went there, we confirmed them, we had their back and we've taken some heat from it.

00:24:35.240 Why does it seem like Doge are doing some of these things and not the cabinet?

00:24:39.760 I think that actually led and that was tied to, I think, doing the guys going, we've given

00:24:44.180 you the cabinet you want.

00:24:45.800 And although they looked risky at first, we're pretty impressed.

00:24:49.200 You're pretty impressed.

00:24:50.040 Let's get on with it.

00:24:51.480 Is there anything you see happening on the counterattack right now, whether trying to hold

00:24:57.760 up Doge?

00:24:58.480 Because right now they said last night, I think they ruled, some judge ruled last night

00:25:01.860 Trump can't fire.

00:25:02.820 I think there's five other situations where the chief executive of the government cannot

00:25:07.860 terminate a guy.

00:25:09.080 But do you see anything that's playing out, although we may be losing a few right now,

00:25:13.560 that causes you concern that we're not going to be able to execute kind of the unitary theory

00:25:19.840 of the executive as far as chief executive, commander in chief of the armed forces and chief

00:25:25.240 magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer of the United States in the office of the

00:25:29.880 presidency, sir?

00:25:30.700 I am 100 percent optimistic that we are going to bring a major, crucial transformation to

00:25:40.440 the executive branch over the next four years because President Trump is fully committed

00:25:46.580 to it and he has very good people helping him implement that.

00:25:49.960 Whether it's White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, OMB director Russ Boat, Mark Paoletta

00:25:56.020 is his general counsel over there.

00:25:58.600 Elon Musk is bringing his outsider mindset, his business mindset.

00:26:03.960 He's going to break every piece of China in the executive branch and then you're going 0.89

00:26:08.180 to see that backfilled with Russ Boat and Mark Paoletta picking up the pieces and actually

00:26:13.540 implementing it.

00:26:14.400 So there is actually a method to this madness.

00:26:17.540 These activist judges, I am pummeling them every day politically.

00:26:23.520 So they're going to they're going to finally back back down.

00:26:26.320 I'm helping the Supreme Court justices find and keep their backbones after initial, you

00:26:32.740 know, consternation from the weaker links on the Supreme Court.

00:26:37.660 We saw this with the cabinet, Steve.

00:26:39.200 We remember they're all dead on arrival.

00:26:41.200 Cash Patel, Pete Exeth, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr.

00:26:44.820 They're all dead on arrival.

00:26:46.460 It's amazing what can happen when you do a media blitz on Bannon's show and then have

00:26:51.780 the war room have 60,000 people make 250,000 phone calls, emails and text messages.

00:26:58.480 I call it an attitude adjustment.

00:27:00.140 So we gave the Senate an attitude adjustment.

00:27:03.080 We'll give the Supreme Court an attitude adjustment. 0.72

00:27:05.800 It's going to be a bumpy run here for the next several months, but we will win.

00:27:11.640 Can I hold you for just a few minutes on the other side?

00:27:13.900 I want to go as we go into the weekend, because it's pretty evident now what's going to happen

00:27:17.940 next week and how we're going to have to start thinking about this.

00:27:20.340 We haven't seen the final deal, but this is all going to be contingent, Mike, upon this

00:27:26.760 theory of impoundment with the backup being rescissions.

00:27:30.440 And I want to talk about both.

00:27:31.680 I know you come from the Senate.

00:27:33.360 You understand the power of the Senate.

00:27:35.460 And also you've worked very closely with Mark Paylett and the team on this issue of impoundment.

00:27:40.680 I think it's important.

00:27:41.920 I just want the war room posse to kind of have it in their head as we go into the weekend

00:27:45.680 without a deal, how the linchpin of this is maybe actually found in a court of law, in

00:27:54.560 a federal court, sometime in the next couple of months.

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00:31:03.260 My production team is very into music, so I thought they were making this up.

00:31:07.040 No, that is not Pete Seeger.

00:31:09.060 I am actually gobsmacked at that.

00:31:11.120 Mike Davis, you've been around this town a lot longer than I have, but in the 16 transition,

00:31:16.160 after we went to 17, that individual was presented to us as the single most powerful person

00:31:22.520 in the United States government.

00:31:24.380 That is Dr. Francis Collins.

00:31:28.360 And that is singing today, earlier, I think, or yesterday, at an anti-Trump rally.

00:31:35.940 You can't make this up.

00:31:37.720 To tell people how powerful Collins was,

00:31:40.560 I mean, he really didn't even want to come and meet Trump in the transition.

00:31:44.300 He was that powerful.

00:31:45.360 He was like the, you know, he was that powerful because he took NIH money and spread those

00:31:50.200 billions of dollars around to every congressional district at every university in the country

00:31:54.260 and was virtually untouchable by Congress.

00:31:56.900 And there you see him out there.

00:31:58.880 I mean, does he actually think he can sing?

00:32:01.080 I mean, it's bizarro land.

00:32:02.600 Mike Davis.

00:32:03.220 So Francis Collins was at the National Institutes of Health for a long time.

00:32:11.020 And each one of these institutes, it's run by the director of the National Institute of Health.

00:32:17.420 And eventually he became the director under President Obama.

00:32:20.960 So I called the director of the Pope because they think they're infallible.

00:32:26.140 And then each one of the institute directors within the National Institutes of Health has a director.

00:32:32.120 And I called them the cardinals.

00:32:33.240 And so when I was young, 20 some years ago, I worked at HHS and I had to work with the Pope and these cardinals to fill their scientific advisory boards,

00:32:45.280 to make sure that the money, the billions of dollars that NIH doles out to their buddies for grants isn't being misspent

00:32:55.040 or isn't being used to fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan lab in China that led to COVID and the deaths of millions of people

00:33:05.480 and the destruction of our economy for many years.

00:33:08.020 And so I remember working with Francis Collins during that time in my life in 2001 and 2002 when he was a mere cardinal.

00:33:16.860 He was a cardinal for one of the institutes before he got elevated to be a pope.

00:33:21.260 But these people actually think that they really do think that they are the pope and the cardinal, that this is a separate, you know,

00:33:29.380 that they're holy and they're not accountable to anyone, particularly not accountable to the president of the United States.

00:33:37.080 Oh, no, we were like passing through.

00:33:38.960 He was permanent.

00:33:39.500 By the way, he's Tony Fauci's boss.

00:33:42.140 I mean, Fauci was a grundoon. 1.00

00:33:43.720 This guy's the man, right?

00:33:45.040 You couldn't touch him.

00:33:45.780 But look, he's now actively, you know, he just retired under a big controversy, right?

00:33:51.260 He's now actively part of the anti, the never Trump campaign, the anti-Trump resistance.

00:33:56.460 They're having sit-ins right now.

00:33:58.460 And he's trying to be Pete Seeger, like in the anti-war movement back in the 60s.

00:34:03.840 Mike, this, what's going to happen before Monday the 14th is, they're talking about CR.

00:34:10.720 Johnson tells the day it'll probably be delivered Tuesday.

00:34:13.240 He promises it's going to be close to clean as possible.

00:34:16.020 So theoretically, it's not going to be 1,500 pages.

00:34:18.960 Best case, we're going to talk about attaching or maybe Elon just gives us some directional where we stand with the Doge money right now, which could be 50 billion, 100 billion, who knows?

00:34:31.960 And that that will then, the commitment will be, because they can't do it now, the commitment will be after you pass the CR that sometime relatively quickly, Russ, vote, pay a letter, and those guys would go to the president.

00:34:45.140 And they will present to him, you know, items that they don't think either outside of programmatically or behind schedule, or he just doesn't see how they fit in.

00:34:54.880 And they will go and challenge and basically impound the money and dare either Congress or the courts to say anything about it.

00:35:04.000 But how sure are you of this theory of the case?

00:35:07.920 Because the others, rescissions, which the White House doesn't want to use, because that's essentially going back to Capitol Hill and you have to jockey there and get another vote.

00:35:15.440 They want to do impoundment.

00:35:16.600 They believe they have the right to do it.

00:35:18.440 They believe that the appropriations bill, when they talk about the Constitution, that's a ceiling, not a floor.

00:35:23.820 I mean, what odds do you put on this, given the fact that we're still hung up with the spending of the $2 billion, sir?

00:35:33.040 Well, regardless of what you think about Russ Boat and Mark Payoletta's views on impoundment, which is that these appropriations by Congress are a ceiling, not a floor, which I agree with.

00:35:44.860 But even if you don't agree with that, at a minimum, the president has the power under Article II of the Constitution as the chief executive officer for domestic spending, as the commander-in-chief especially for foreign spending for defense.

00:36:03.160 The president has that power under the take care clause to make sure that there is not waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:36:10.040 And if he's finding waste, fraud, and abuse, he can cut that out.

00:36:13.820 He can impound it.

00:36:14.560 He can make sure we're not spending money, for example, on transgender mice research that Congress never intended.

00:36:22.020 Remember what we're doing with these appropriations.

00:36:24.440 Congress is just doing big blocks of appropriations and delegating to the executive branch a huge amount of discretion on what they can spend this money on.

00:36:35.040 And so President Trump and his team, like Russ Boat at OMB, Elon Musk, Mark Payoletta, they can just say, look, this is wasted money, and we want to take care that this money is not wasted, so we're going to send it back to the Treasury.

00:36:48.180 We don't need this money.

00:36:50.060 And they can do the same thing, particularly as commander-in-chief.

00:36:53.360 For example, let's say that Congress passes a law saying that we're going to appropriate $100 billion to Gaza for humanitarian relief, and then the president finds out that that money going to supposed humanitarian relief in Gaza is actually going to fund Hamas terrorism that's going to kill American citizens, right?

00:37:15.140 Of course, the president, as commander-in-chief, can prevent that money from going to Gaza and then to Hamas terrorists.

00:37:22.920 But remember, this is what they did to President Trump before when they impeached President Trump for impounding money for Ukraine.

00:37:29.760 But the president absolutely has the power, at a minimum, to impound waste, fraud, and abuse or impound dollars that are against our national security interest.

00:37:39.600 So how quickly do you think that we actually end up there, and how quickly do you think the Supreme Court acts on this?

00:37:52.040 Let's say they go to the impoundment in 30 days.

00:37:55.180 So how long do you think this takes?

00:37:56.320 I think that you're going to have a Democrat activist judge do a temporary restraining order, probably ex parte, nationwide injunction immediately.

00:38:07.460 They'll go to one of these whack job judges in D.C. or Sheldon Whitehouse's buddy up in Rhode Island or some other left-wing judge, and then it should get to the Supreme Court quickly.

00:38:18.520 And it really depends on if the chief justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett are actually going to follow the Constitution and allow the duly elected president of the United States to carry out his electoral mandates and go after waste, fraud, and abuse in our federal government, or if they're going to come up with excuses procedurally to prevent that from happening.

00:38:41.880 If they're going to say, for example, if they're going to say, for example, that these bogus TROs that these activist judges are issuing, they're illegal, they're unconstitutional, and they're not even temporary restraining orders, they're not even TROs.

00:38:53.640 They are preliminary injunctions with nationwide, you know, with nationwide effects.

00:39:00.600 If the Supreme Court's going to say that those aren't appealable because they're TROs, they're going to be, they're going to allow these Democrat activist litigants and judges to play that game. 0.76

00:39:11.880 Then they're going to hobble the presidency. 0.84

00:39:13.860 And here's the bigger problem, and I mean this.

00:39:16.000 You're already seeing the American people get very frustrated with these activist judges.

00:39:20.580 If the Supreme Court does not stop this, if they don't step up and stop these activist judges from sabotaging the president of the United States exercising core Article 2 executive power to take care that our laws are faithfully executed, to make sure that our foreign aid under the commander-in-chief clause doesn't go to Hamas terrorists, when the court loses its legitimacy with the American people, it doesn't have an army.

00:39:46.440 The court does not have an army.

00:39:47.800 It does not have an enforcement mechanism.

00:39:49.440 It has to rely on the executive branch to enforce its orders.

00:39:54.920 And so if it loses its legitimacy, it's going to lose everything.

00:39:59.420 So I hope that Chief Justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett understand how grave this is if they don't stop these activist judges from sabotaging the president's Article 2 executive powers.

00:40:12.080 Trump is not stealing legislative power under Article 1 from Congress.

00:40:16.500 He's not stealing judicial power from the Supreme Court under Article 3.

00:40:21.100 These federal judges are sabotaging the president of the United States over policy and political disagreements, and this is unacceptable.

00:40:29.560 This is a red line, and the chief justice needs to stop it.

00:40:33.340 How serious is this crisis that's brewing on a 1 to 10 scale, 10 being DEFCON 1, being as high as we could get?

00:40:44.800 Where would you put it right now?

00:40:46.660 11, because guess what?

00:40:48.600 I'm hearing from a lot of Chamber of Commerce type lawyers that they're even getting very blackpilled on this issue.

00:40:56.280 Like, for example, the federal judiciary has about a $10 billion annual budget.

00:41:02.060 And I've proposed that Congress take that $2 billion, that this radical Canadian citizen Obama judge in D.C., Judge Ali, has said that the president has to piss away with USAID funding and get it out the door immediately.

00:41:18.860 I have proposed that because the Supreme Court may allow this to happen, that Congress just takes that $2 billion right out of the federal judiciary's budget, 20 percent cut right away to the federal judiciary's budget.

00:41:31.660 And I'm actually surprisingly hearing, even from the Chamber of Commerce Fedsoc wing of the Republican Party, the WEMPs, they're actually pretty excited about that idea.

00:41:46.660 So I hope the chief justice understands that by allowing these activist judges to sabotage the presidency, they're creating a constitutional crisis, and the federal judiciary is going to lose and lose badly in this process.

00:42:01.660 Watch this space, Mike Davis, Article 3, where do people go, sir?

00:42:07.860 Article 3project.org, Article 3project.org, follow us on social media, donate, but only as much as you can afford, and then take action.

00:42:18.180 That's the most important thing you can do is when the war room posse gives the Senate or whoever we're targeting an attitude adjustment, it's the most powerful force in politics.

00:42:29.660 Yeah.

00:42:31.140 Mike, personal social media, so people can follow you?

00:42:35.320 Well, if I don't get kicked off, it's MRDDMIA, MRDDMIA have been pretty harsh on Justice Amy Coney Barrett on there. 1.00

00:42:46.980 So hopefully she has an attitude of justice.

00:42:49.720 Pretty harsh.

00:42:52.000 Mike Davis, thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

00:42:54.580 Thank you.

00:42:55.080 This is quite serious.

00:43:01.100 I've noticed what Mike Davis, the chamber, really pretty down the middle straight, conservative, limited government lawyers starting to write really amazing pieces about the judiciary and about the ability to enforce some of these things.

00:43:19.060 We're heading somewhere very quickly that the country's never been before.

00:43:25.440 And maybe it's a long time coming.

00:43:28.320 The situation between the courts and these radical judges and President Trump's administration.

00:43:34.100 The shot across the bow of the big law firms.

00:43:37.220 Donald J. Trump is going on offense.

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00:44:53.200 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:45:02.980 One semaphore has a pretty important article.

00:45:05.660 Mark Andreessen has a big conference in the nation's capital next week with many of the big tech oligarchs coming together.

00:45:14.400 And Andreessen's an interesting character.

00:45:16.980 He's had behind the scenes quite a role in staffing, particularly with the Defense Department.

00:45:21.440 I'll talk more about that maybe tomorrow morning if I get some time.

00:45:26.000 His views, I'm told, on transhumanism are not as far away from yours as you think.

00:45:31.820 Andreessen, this article in Semaphore, it's kind of a blockbuster if you're working this problem.

00:45:37.760 Tech leaders pivot away from H-1B visa program after populist revolt.

00:45:42.540 And it talks about Roe Kahana, Mark Andreessen, more of these tech folks, Bernie Sanders, others that are working on major reforms to H-1Bs.

00:45:54.000 Now, I have called for – I'd say the program is a total and complete sham.

00:45:58.240 They're 85,000 a year.

00:46:00.120 They're millions here, I think.

00:46:02.160 I call the program a total sham, but it ought to be shut down.

00:46:05.240 Everybody ought to be deported that's on there and jobs given to American citizens. 1.00

00:46:09.380 So we're going to be adamant about that, but we are winning here.

00:46:12.760 There are going to be significant changes to H-1Bs.

00:46:15.320 What we want to make sure there's just not done to mollify and to make it go away, we're going to drive this home.

00:46:21.120 Rosemary Jenks and others – oh, by the way, the president's getting ready to walk out here momentarily.

00:46:26.500 We will blow the break.

00:46:27.520 We'll blow the break, top of the show, if that occurs.

00:46:30.480 I don't know if we can even do that.

00:46:32.800 Oh, no, we'll toss it over to John Solomon, and we'll go to our – the alternative channel we work off.

00:46:37.520 Right there, you see the president.

00:46:39.960 Let's go ahead and play it.

00:46:40.740 Let's go ahead and cover it.

00:46:41.280 There we are.

00:46:42.680 There's the president of the United States, President Trump coming out of the Oval Office.

00:46:47.140 He's walking around – that's walking around the Rose Garden.

00:46:54.600 That's kind of that back little driveway.

00:46:58.120 He's going to walk out to marijuana.

00:46:59.420 That's the little guard shack they have right there.

00:47:01.120 Not particularly used very much.

00:47:02.780 This is on the South Lawn of the White House.

00:47:08.320 That's the circular driveway.

00:47:13.640 We'll just listen in because they're going to ask some questions.

00:47:25.540 I know he's not going to take questions, but they're shouting questions.

00:47:28.280 I just want to hear the shouts.

00:47:30.100 There we go.

00:47:30.980 There we go.

00:47:32.780 Okay, there we are right there.

00:47:39.740 Steady, boy, steady.

00:47:41.200 There's the president.

00:47:42.900 This is our own camera.

00:47:45.860 We're honored and privileged to have that.

00:47:49.680 I think our cameraman's Tony today.

00:47:51.660 President gives a salute to the Marine.

00:47:53.600 Goes aboard Marine One.

00:47:54.680 Some of the best pilots in the world.

00:48:01.480 Normally, some staff will follow him out to the back passageway.

00:48:06.700 Very cramped in there.

00:48:07.920 They're the folks, the senior staff members that are going to go down.

00:48:14.620 The football will be in there.

00:48:15.940 When that takes off, there's some more.

00:48:23.900 It looks like Susie Wiles. 1.00

00:48:25.920 Susie's hurt her knee.

00:48:27.380 You see her limping there? 0.77

00:48:31.100 Susie Wiles, chief of staff.

00:48:33.940 Susie hurt her knee.

00:48:35.220 It made it a little difficult for her to get around here the last week or so.

00:48:43.140 Marine One, some of the best pilots in the world.

00:48:45.480 When that takes off, folks, I mean, it lifts straight off, and it's an amazing view of Washington, D.C.

00:48:52.700 You're right there in the middle.

00:48:53.660 Obviously, it's closed airspace, so the only way you could ever see it is being Marine One, but it's pretty extraordinary.

00:48:59.700 Eight to ten minute flight out to Andrews Air Force Base, or, I don't know, Joint Base Andrews, or we call it Andrews Air Force Base.

00:49:10.220 There's the Marines up with the back hatch.

00:49:15.480 We're going to walk down the front gangway.

00:49:20.740 It was the front gangway.

00:49:27.540 We're going to pass off to John Solomon, and we will go to our six o'clock hour here momentarily.

00:49:40.240 President of the United States heading down to his beloved Mar-a-Lago.

00:49:45.480 We're spending the weekends there, particularly, you know, February, March, not exactly prime time in Washington, D.C.

00:49:54.880 D.C. is always beautiful for spring.

00:49:57.640 That'll be closer to Easter.

00:50:00.500 There we go right there.

00:50:01.680 Big press gaggle this afternoon.

00:50:04.320 Not taking any questions.

00:50:05.600 President Trump, every now and again, will walk out from the doors of the residents.

00:50:10.520 If you're looking right here, the Oval Office is to your right in the West Wing.

00:50:15.160 The residents, the main part of the White House, is to your left.

00:50:18.860 Every now and again, the president will come out of the residents and normally stop to the press and take a few questions and then head to Marine One.

00:50:25.840 He will head out to Andrews Air Force Base where Air Force One awaits for a several-hour flight down to Palm Beach.

00:50:44.920 And another February, March, and April, as people know, is, I think, prime time in Palm Beach.

00:50:50.320 So it's just fantastic down there.

00:51:01.780 We're very honored today, Brian Glenda, and got to ask another question.

00:51:06.480 Real America's Voice and I have been a big advocate.

00:51:08.440 We want to take as much of this live as possible with the first, I think, streaming service.

00:51:12.400 Although Right Side Broadcasting had some exclusive stream this afternoon.

00:51:15.940 I really want to thank Tara Botowich and Stephen Chung and Caroline Leavitt and, of course, Susie Wiles for, I think, you know, the people diving for balls.

00:51:27.540 If I use a basketball analogy, the people that are really being very scrappy and giving coverage.

00:51:32.120 They're giving not just access, but they're also giving us, you know, real access.

00:51:37.320 Okay, guys, let's, I think we can kill the music, can't we?

00:51:44.100 I, yeah, there we go right there.

00:51:47.860 Not that I wouldn't want to play the soundtrack for the right stuff.

00:51:50.340 As the president leaves, we're going to pass this over to John Solomon, the president of the United States.

00:51:59.900 President Trump, another historic day at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

00:52:05.080 The president lifts off, heading to Andrews Air Force Base, Air Force One.

00:52:13.340 There's the Washington Monument.

00:52:14.560 Beautiful shot right there, guys.

00:52:16.200 Fantastic.

00:52:16.880 Love that shot.

00:52:19.960 Isn't it ironic, the president heading over right now where he gave the speech on the morning of January 6th?

00:52:27.300 Okay, we're going to pass over to John Solomon.

00:52:29.800 We're going to continue on Real America's Voice on our backup channel.

00:52:35.540 We'll also be on Rumble, Getter, all of that.

00:52:37.260 You hear it right there.

00:52:38.020 There goes the president of the United States.

00:52:40.560 We're going to continue on at 6 o'clock.

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Bannon's War Room - March 08, 2025

Episode 4322： DOGE Stirs Tension Among The Cabinet; The Last Place For Dems To Go Are The Courts

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