Bannon's War Room - Episode 4338： ReEstablishing A Constitutional Order; The Lefts Plot To Silence Maga

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:09.760 medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:16.360 the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do

00:00:20.520 everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and

00:00:23.860 where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of

00:00:31.680 these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer

00:00:38.800 is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:47.300 it's friday 14 march in the year of our lord 2025 uh this afternoon the official surrender of the

00:01:00.300 uh senate the democrats in the senate as they uh refuse to try to shut down president trump's

00:01:06.700 uh government uh be eight senators think breaking cloture uh remember last night when he was

00:01:12.060 getting lit up we started the show in the cold open with uh chris hayes not lighting up but kind

00:01:17.280 of saying hey asking schumer how can this happen you know you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna

00:01:21.180 break the spirit of our activists the number one reason he had he says hey i'm so afraid that

00:01:26.860 trump will shut down the courts and right now that's where we're winning john you joins us uh john

00:01:33.040 first off can you just give a little bit of your background before we get into the the meat of this

00:01:36.900 can you just give us tell us uh what your experience is in this entire area well the most important

00:01:43.660 thing about me is i grew up in philadelphia pennsylvania where i learned to fight but i grew up in philly

00:01:49.980 i went to college law school i clerked for justice clarence thomas on the supreme court

00:01:54.740 and then i went to teach law at berkeley where i've been for most of this time

00:01:58.480 aside from a few years off to work in the justice department where i was on the day of the 9-11 attacks

00:02:05.120 and i worked on the counterterrorism response to 9-11 and then i've spent my whole career studying

00:02:11.900 their presidency uh and war powers and thinking about what you've mentioned uh the unitary executive

00:02:18.280 theory of the presidency so i want to talk about that we we have we've talked about this now for

00:02:26.180 a year on the show and try to this we get the activists we're an activist audience the war room

00:02:30.920 posse and you know one thing we've talked about is that he's chief executive officer so he gets to

00:02:36.460 make these certain decisions which they're fighting in court right now he's the commander-in-chief of the

00:02:40.880 armed services the uniformed military but he's also chief magistrate and chief law enforcement

00:02:45.560 officer and this has kind of been changed you know this they kind of threw out the constitution

00:02:49.820 after watergate one of the reasons i wanted to have you on here in the middle of this fight you

00:02:54.000 written a magnificent piece kind of about that uh and if we can get that if we put in the chat rooms

00:02:59.560 right now while john's here and put it up walk us through this piece about is this is what is

00:03:05.660 happening now with the entire broad assault of president trump's doing on this unitary uh executive

00:03:11.840 theory is part of this to to end the sins of the watergate reforms sir uh steve i wish i had put it

00:03:22.140 that way i think in the wake of watergate our system overreacted huge democratic majorities in

00:03:28.640 congress thought the problem was excessive presidential power and they passed a series

00:03:34.540 of statutes to try to pinion down the president like you know gulliver and lilliput and so i think

00:03:41.160 what president trump's doing if you look at the broad picture the spending cuts the reductions in force

00:03:47.600 the limitations on the regulatory power of the state the reassertion of control over the justice

00:03:54.080 department and the fbi what he's doing is he's trying to end those watergate reforms not because

00:04:00.220 he's got some you know idiosyncratic view of the presidency of his own that nobody knows about

00:04:05.120 what he's trying to do is restore the presidency to the original vision that our founders had

00:04:10.480 our founders are the ones as you pointed out who put all the power of enforcing federal law in a single

00:04:17.720 person the president the constitution doesn't mention anybody else everyone in the executive branch

00:04:23.600 therefore is an assistant to the president in carrying out federal law and therefore as

00:04:29.400 alexander hamilton first said back in the first washington administration and his supreme courts

00:04:35.140 repeatedly affirmed after that therefore the president sets the law enforcement agenda he must

00:04:41.120 be able to remove fire and control all the subordinates in the executive branch so that there is a

00:04:48.100 unified approach to enforcing the law what watergate congress has tried to do is they tried to cut the

00:04:54.480 links between the president who's the only democratically accountable official in the executive

00:04:59.640 branch and all the cabinet agencies these boards they want congress wanted all those agencies to be

00:05:06.860 independent they want all those bureaucracies to rule in the name of expertise and technocracy

00:05:11.540 and not for the democratically elected president

00:05:14.780 i just want to go over this again because we're a huge believer here ideas have consequences and once

00:05:23.100 people get the intellectual construct then the news just doesn't seem so random every day you can kind

00:05:27.120 of put it in there the framers of the constitution believe that the office of the president and the

00:05:32.700 individual in that office would be the besides being the chief executive of the of the government and

00:05:38.040 being commander-in-chief of the armed forces the other role would be chief magistrate and chief law

00:05:42.760 enforcement officer and that carried all the way up until watergate and in all the reforms of

00:05:48.480 watergate we kind of broke that and in the justice department the fbi kind of became you know they were

00:05:54.220 hived off in independent agencies is that generally correct yes so they uh watergate didn't fully make

00:06:03.040 doj and fbi independent the way they've made say these inspector generals independent or the cfpb

00:06:10.260 independent or the and all these alphabet agencies but they tried to make it hard for example to remove

00:06:16.440 the fbi director they gave the fbi director fixed term they tried to create this notion that the attorney

00:06:22.100 general and the enforcement of the law should somehow be separate from the president and the worst i think

00:06:28.020 the worst sin of all the watergate congress created the special counsel law and the special counsel

00:06:33.040 actually did create a prosecutor who could not be fired by the president unless he or she committed a

00:06:39.920 crime which is extraordinary if you think about it because the core as you said the core power of the

00:06:45.300 president is chief executive commander-in-chief and then chief magistrate chief enforcer of the law

00:06:51.140 you bring in there also the administrative state so every night on msnbc and every day in the new

00:06:59.700 york times and on cnn it's all about trump's a fascist uh trump is uh leading us down to an

00:07:06.620 authoritarian you know you're having the authoritarian breakthrough every day they've got a different

00:07:10.660 part of how trump is trying to become a strong man etc isn't he doing when you look at it in the

00:07:17.860 legal frame as the framers will look at is trying to take on a post-constitutional administrative state

00:07:25.120 that is nowhere in the constitution and trying to deconstruct that and take actions like withholding

00:07:31.700 money or change or reprogramming money or things like letting people go and last night yesterday in

00:07:37.220 san francisco and then in maryland we basically have challenge where the president of the states

00:07:41.800 can actually do a reduction in force so it's not him trying to be a fascist it's him actually trying

00:07:48.800 to go back to the core documents of the constitution against this administrative state i see it that way

00:07:56.060 the people who chose to make the presidency a singular office that concentrates all the power one person

00:08:03.260 were the founders they thought that you had to concentrate the power in a single president

00:08:08.780 because that would make the president accountable but also give the government the advantages of

00:08:13.760 acting with speed decision or dispatch that's the phrase that alexander hamilton used he wanted

00:08:20.780 to have energy in the executive which he called the defining character of good government so the

00:08:27.820 watergate congresses what they wanted to do actually this is goes starts well beyond watergate

00:08:32.560 watergate's almost the culmination of it but it starts with woodrow wilson and fdr

00:08:37.620 and lbj what they wanted to do was dilute the presidency they wanted to disperse all that power

00:08:45.360 they wanted the executive branch to become unaccountable and then to fill it with a lot

00:08:50.440 of congress's powers because the whole idea to them was give the power to experts give the power to

00:08:56.680 technocrats this vast administrative state and detach it from any kind of political accountability

00:09:02.380 to voters and i would say they succeeded i think that's the world we've been living in for the last

00:09:07.920 almost hundred years now ever since the new deal and what trump's fight is on a day-to-day level it's

00:09:14.660 this as you said spending here firing people there but the bigger picture is he is trying to restore

00:09:20.480 the constitution and the executive branch back to that original founding vision and reject this

00:09:26.320 progressive constitution we've had for about the last hundred years so we talk every day here about

00:09:32.640 flood the zone and the 10 or 12 things he's doing executive orders executive actions uh other things

00:09:37.780 or churchill's action this day that gets back to dispatch and energy and the executive but you can

00:09:43.080 see in san francisco at the federal judge in maryland and in in with schumer uh what they're trying to do

00:09:49.820 is slow this whole process down i was talking to mike davis in the previous hour this doesn't look like

00:09:55.080 it's going to get resolved quickly i don't see this getting into any uh you know emergency docket

00:10:00.720 uh expedited docket at any appellate court or emergency docket of the supreme court so are they are these

00:10:06.260 radical federal judges kind of winning now and trying to slow down and take out the energy

00:10:12.920 absorb the energy of president trump's drive every day to sort this mess out sir

00:10:18.700 you know i think the founders would be surprised to see what's going on now that

00:10:22.980 people are rushing to court to get federal judges like out here in san francisco where i am or in

00:10:30.080 maryland or rhode island and have a single judge stop the entire federal government nationwide

00:10:36.000 from basically implementing personnel policies about how the executive branch is to be run

00:10:41.860 internally this is not about the individual rights of somebody this is about just how the president

00:10:47.640 chooses to run the executive branch and so i think what the founders had thought would be congress would

00:10:53.840 be the main bulwark if there was going to be a fight over the president's powers would occur between

00:10:58.340 congress and the president going to courts is a sign of political weakness actually it seems to me

00:11:03.740 but now i think what's going on is that the trump administration just made an important filing at the

00:11:09.460 supreme court to try to end this practice they just made it yesterday to end this practice of district

00:11:15.140 judges being able to issue what they call universal or nationwide injunctions that have the effect of

00:11:21.180 stopping the entire government nationwide so we might get an answer faster than maybe a few years

00:11:27.500 which was what happened in trump's first term with the travel ban we might get an answer in a few weeks

00:11:32.780 or a few months and if that practice stops then i think the executive branch can go forward and these

00:11:37.640 cases will get litigated part of what president trump is doing i think is setting up test cases

00:11:42.980 to challenge some of these watergate era precedents to overturn them and then also have the supreme

00:11:49.060 court on his side when he goes to this you know large task of cutting down the administrative state

00:11:54.060 and returning us back to the founding constitution

00:11:56.580 john last thing i know you gotta bounce but the president's actually and they're all in meltdown

00:12:03.500 today president's actually going to leave the white house and go over the justice department and address

00:12:07.660 the troops over there you know the the lawyers and the folks and i think some of the fbi i think cash

00:12:13.080 is going to be there uh with attorney general pam bondy what would be your recommendation if you were in

00:12:18.300 the oval this morning what would be your recommendation the one or two things you think the president should

00:12:22.380 hit in his address to the justice department sir well first i think he should chastise them

00:12:29.660 for allowing the justice department to be used to interfere in the last elections the idea that

00:12:36.580 the justice department prosecuted a former president not only a former president but also

00:12:41.360 the leading opposition candidate for the presidency that broke all traditional norms in our country

00:12:47.880 and i think is a serious blemish on the justice department and he needs to tell them that was wrong

00:12:52.940 i'm sure he will but i think the second and more important point is to go over some of the things we

00:12:58.380 talked about in this segment remind them that the president not individual justice department

00:13:04.860 attorneys the president is in charge of enforcing law under the constitution and they are there to

00:13:09.080 assist him not override him john you what's your social media how can our audience follow you or your

00:13:17.680 website sir it's one of the blessings of my life i'm not on social media i don't have twitter or anything

00:13:23.400 sorry we will uh we will continue to put your writings up honored to have you on here sir thank

00:13:31.860 you so much thank you thanks for having me john john you one of the greats see the fight we got folks

00:13:40.180 trump it's not the fascist they say he is every second of every day president trump's trying to go

00:13:49.200 back to a constitutional order donald john trump and his team what does scott best and say be the

00:13:56.500 easiest thing in the world for president trump just continue to spend this money continue to spend this

00:14:00.240 money let the administrative state grow let the wars continue that would be the easy path

00:14:04.740 president trump's taking the hard path because the country's in the balance you just had one of the

00:14:11.440 smartest legal minds in the country right there john you walk you through the entire thing the sins

00:14:17.960 leads from from the progressive movement of wilson all the way through watergate

00:14:22.560 he's trying to reverse the entire thing he's trying to clean up the military every different aspect

00:14:28.280 that's the chief executive commander in chief of the armed forces chief magistrate and chief law enforcement

00:14:34.800 officer of the united states of america trump is basically trying to set things right

00:14:43.080 what a struggle as long as you've got his back we're going to continue to win victory after victory

00:14:51.160 after victory short commercial break jim rickerts on the other side

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00:16:14.080 records um best in saying that the easy path would be just to continue to spend and continue this

00:16:25.040 keynesian stimulus it'd be the easy thing for trump right he wouldn't take it and and you saying

00:16:30.020 right there that trump is doing something to restore the constitutional order your thoughts sir

00:16:35.720 right and just to uh follow on with uh what john who said which i agree with by the way

00:16:40.880 most important thing he said was he's from philly i am too i lived on spring garden street and went

00:16:45.520 to penn law so i oh my god you know you know hold it hold it there's nothing worse and there's

00:16:50.580 nothing worse than an eagles fan maybe a phillies fan but there's nothing worse than an eagles fan

00:16:55.480 you guys you've strung a long time so congratulations on both john uh pointed out i mean obviously there's

00:17:03.060 a major legal battle going on when i see these cases and there are like 30 of them now it's not

00:17:07.120 like two or three i always look at the background of the judge the district court judge they're all

00:17:12.280 almost all biden appointees some obama a couple clintons but they're pretty much biden appointees

00:17:17.400 and they're forum shopping in rhode island and massachusetts and places like that uh but john's

00:17:22.500 right about how i think this is going to end up he talked about the nationwide injunctions which are

00:17:27.140 extremely damaging and alito and clarence thomas are all over that but there's another issue we kind

00:17:31.920 of touched on which is are independent agencies even constitutional in the sense of being independent

00:17:38.080 i mean congress can create them and fund them but the president runs them for all the reasons you and

00:17:42.520 john just discussed but this idea that you know jay powell uh his press conference a couple months ago

00:17:48.280 said he was asked you know are you aware that trump's going to fire you and powell said he can't fire me

00:17:54.280 it's illegal those are his exact words and he's a lawyer by the way he's not an economist uh we may

00:17:59.020 find out we may find out that that that kind of so-called independence whether it's a consumer finance

00:18:04.680 protection bureau the federal reserve fcc scc keep going whether they can truly be independent of

00:18:10.420 uh decisions by the white house so that's that's another thing i'm i'm working on i'm researching

00:18:14.920 this um it's an article i'm calling uh lawfare 2.0 lawfare 1.0 kind of came to an end with trump

00:18:21.780 versus united states 2024 when the supreme court said the president can't commit a crime cannot be

00:18:26.760 liable for a crime with uh in his official duties and by the way speaking of watergate go back to 1979

00:18:33.760 when richard nixon was being interviewed by david frost and frost wanted nixon to say yeah i booked the law

00:18:39.820 you know something like that and he kind of got around to it but when frost pressed him nixon said

00:18:45.960 when the president does it it's not illegal that's an exact quote when the president does it it's not

00:18:51.700 illegal he was ridiculed for that you're a dictator they laughed at him as senator nixon was a pretty

00:18:56.640 good lawyer he was right that's it took until 2024 for the supreme court to say that but nixon was

00:19:02.600 actually right when he said it in in 1979 so there's a lot more uh a lot more to go there uh but

00:19:08.240 uh yeah i mean getting back to uh you know the the economic points uh we were discussing the

00:19:15.380 besant had even before uh before he was confirmed before he was in the secretary of the treasury

00:19:20.920 he had this 333 plan and he said what we need is three percent real uh sorry deficits below three

00:19:29.180 percent of gdp three percent real growth and then three million barrels a day of oil that was the

00:19:35.520 333 plan you don't you don't hear much about it anymore but it makes perfect sense and here's why

00:19:40.680 if deficits are three percent of gdp and deficit is a nominal thing meaning it's a number it's not

00:19:47.020 adjusted for inflation it's just a number real growth is three but we have two percent inflation so

00:19:52.760 what that means is nominal growth is five you know three if you have two percent inflation three plus

00:19:57.140 two is five right so if if the deficit's uh below three percent of gdp but nominal gdp is growing five

00:20:04.820 it's three plus two what does that mean it means that the gdp is growing faster than the debt and

00:20:10.440 the debt to gdp ratio is going down the notion that you've got to pay off the national debt that hasn't

00:20:16.060 happened since andrew jackson 1836 you don't have to pay it off you do have to roll it over and you do

00:20:21.960 have to be able to afford it in terms of the interest rate and then you got to worry about the dollar

00:20:25.320 also so the question is what makes it sustainable well the answer is the world's looking at a hundred

00:20:30.280 and uh about 125 percent debt to gdp ratio right now i'd be a little bit higher than that but it's

00:20:35.880 about 125 if it just starts going down and that's what the best in plan would do 120 115 the whole

00:20:42.900 hang on hang on hang on i want to make sure people understand the math here your reason is the

00:20:48.760 denominator you're going to you're going to grow at three three and a half percent and so you're going

00:20:53.120 to grow the economy so therefore your gdp will be higher in the debt because we're never going to

00:20:57.460 pay off a penny the face amount of the debt we're barely going to struggle to pay the interest you're

00:21:01.900 right folks understand this this is where and this gets to also the theory uh you know ray dalio said

00:21:08.520 hey we're about seven percent of of uh deficit to gdp we got to get down to three uh scott says at six

00:21:14.600 and a half we got to get to three and a half because you got to get these deficits under a trillion

00:21:18.620 dollars so so because that keeps building the face amount of the debt to 37 and 38 and 39 and 40

00:21:24.700 and right now uh jim you would agree there's nothing there's and this is why i think howard

00:21:29.460 london's got to stop talking loosely and elon about the trillion dollars we're going to find from

00:21:34.180 waste front abuse it's just not going to happen hey if you get a couple hundred billion dollars

00:21:37.960 trust me that is like water to somebody in the desert right now we need that because you're going

00:21:41.980 to have to have the programmatic cuts and that's what's right you know we we agreed to the cr

00:21:46.780 it looks like the democrats are going to fold so we'll get to this this summer but but if that

00:21:51.800 doesn't happen the 125 let people know 125 is uh i think robini wrote that book this time it's

00:21:59.660 completely different no countries ever come back am i correct jim records at that percentage of total

00:22:05.740 face amount of debt to gdp at 125 you're essentially on on the glide slope indicator to your financial

00:22:12.580 destruction sir correct we're at the same lunch table as lebanon greece and uh you know a couple

00:22:18.560 other countries that's that's that's where we are uh but there's i uh by the way i've had a lot of

00:22:23.460 head-on-head debates with robini here's here's what he may be missing there he's generally right that

00:22:28.260 it never ends well uh but the question is how does it end the usual way is default uh but the reason for

00:22:34.620 that is countries have a local currency but they borrow in dollars if you're uh if your debt is in a

00:22:40.720 currency that you don't print you can't pay it off that's argentina you can set your watch by it every

00:22:44.580 10 years they default there the other one is hyperinflation which is yeah i owe uh you know

00:22:50.100 a hundred you know 36 trillion or whatever but uh here's you know good luck buying a loaf of bread

00:22:55.740 it's not worth anything so that's why mar and national china and a few other cases what's different

00:23:01.020 about the united states is we our debt is in a currency we can print we can actually print those

00:23:06.000 dollars so as i disagree with dalio i know this there's no reason for the u.s ever to default

00:23:11.340 because we can actually print the money the question is what are the consequences of that

00:23:16.340 and obviously they're all bad but but bestin has pointed the way out and you said three percent growth

00:23:22.760 you're right but that's that's three percent real growth but you have to tack on two points of

00:23:28.180 inflation or maybe three so you're going to get five or six percent nominal growth real growth

00:23:33.220 matters that's how we get jobs and that's not going to happen that's not going to happen

00:23:37.200 that's not going to happen that's what i keep telling them i said hey this is why you're going

00:23:41.320 to have to you're going to have some tax increases the man do you honestly think as you see it right

00:23:47.380 now because if you take the federal spending out we've been in negative growth am i wrong if you take

00:23:53.160 out the massive federal spending the last couple years as keynesian shock haven't we been kind of

00:23:57.840 negative real growth the last couple years the it ain't growing dude if you and i saw this business

00:24:04.040 model you charge them you would charge them so much that you would charge them so much to finance

00:24:08.740 this because it's not financeable right now unless you've got a printing machine that just keeps

00:24:13.560 printing and the rest of the world's gonna suck on you know if the purchasing power of the dollar 0.95

00:24:17.880 goes down 20 percent like under buying hey goes down 20 you guys got to suck on it that's the 0.99

00:24:21.880 whole bricks nation saying well yo maybe we don't have to suck we don't have a solution now 0.97

00:24:27.260 and maybe we don't have a solution in five years but we're going to come up with a solution because 0.94

00:24:30.940 we're just not going to take you guys essentially screwing us every day i mean isn't that the isn't

00:24:36.260 that the theory of the case here well you're exactly right steve that's the model but you have to be

00:24:40.840 like captain kirk change the model in other words um the key the key statistic is debt to gdp

00:24:48.080 you throw it 36 trillion 125 those are all big numbers they're scary numbers they they don't matter

00:24:53.900 what matters is debt to gdp because debt is what you owe gdp is how you pay it back or how you roll

00:24:59.880 it over so that's the key metric now there's a there's a crit what physicists call critical

00:25:04.500 threshold 90 percent debt to gdp that's where the keynesian multiplier goes negative so below below 90

00:25:11.920 you borrow a dollar you spend a dollar you get a dollar 25 of gdp or you get a dollar 10 or whatever

00:25:18.080 but it keeps going down 90 is where you borrow a dollar you spend a dollar and you get 90 cents you

00:25:23.900 don't even get your dollar back in terms of gdp we're well past that the only reason the economy

00:25:28.520 was chugging along at all under biden was because the deficits were so large you get some growth out

00:25:34.360 of it but you don't get as much as you're borrowing and therefore the debt to gdp ratio goes up

00:25:39.460 so that's the thing you have to wrestle to the ground you got to get the debt to gdp ratio

00:25:43.940 to go down now the debt's not going down at all but gdp the simple question steve can gdp grow

00:25:51.920 faster than the debt that's the only issue and if it does that ratio is going down and you're getting

00:25:57.300 healthier uh that's what best is trying to do you've got a chance you get it you're getting the

00:26:00.960 patient the pay the patient's getting healthier that's why i keep saying this is a supply side cut

00:26:05.260 this is our last shot to do it it's that part of the formula right there hey jim where do people say

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00:30:30.200 okay um president's going to sign executive orders at one he's going to go to the justice department and

00:30:37.900 you just heard john you sketch out for him what he should say and that was kind of a throwdown

00:30:42.740 um he's going to go justice at three uh we're going to be background with john lechner with the

00:30:49.140 new book um that you guys love so much about so much of the uh death is our business about the

00:30:54.080 russian mercenaries he's going to be on day talk about putin uh natalie's going to be from the

00:30:58.300 white house ed dowd's going to be here to talk about a econometric model he's put together 2025

00:31:03.640 we're going to be slammed from five to seven much much more uh schumer just went to the floor of the

00:31:09.420 senate and gave more rationale because he's getting lit right now on his decision to surrender um

00:31:16.040 and uh but cash patel most importantly oh by the way uh tulsi's just announced put a press release

00:31:22.080 she's going to formal inquiry and a potential prosecution on that there it is right there on

00:31:29.200 that remember the perverted we had colonel john mills which we'll try to get mills on today

00:31:33.460 uh that perverted chat room they had over at the intelligence community over at uh dni including

00:31:39.960 people from nsa cia others the pervert channel investigation potential uh prosecutions

00:31:46.920 so much more today another day of full action days of thunder are with us cash patel

00:31:53.680 one of our former co-hosts here now director of the fbi put out uh i think of everything cash has put

00:32:01.100 as fbi directed this is the most serious he put a lot of smart tough stuff out i want to address the

00:32:06.820 alarming rise in swatting incidents targeting media figures the fbi is aware of this dangerous trend and

00:32:11.840 my team and i are already taking action to investigate and hold those responsible

00:32:16.360 accountable this isn't about politics weaponizing law enforcement against any american is not only

00:32:22.820 morally rehensible but also in dangerous lives including those of our officers this that will not be

00:32:29.580 tolerated we are fully committed to working with local law enforcement to crack down on these crimes more

00:32:35.580 updates to come i want to bring on now one of the uh one of the um toughest hombres in our

00:32:43.520 maga movement and one of the best voices out there joe paggs uh joe you have been uh swatted talk to me

00:32:50.020 about what went on this is incredibly dangerous cash is on this i know if we're talking people behind the

00:32:54.660 scenes they are all over this because this puts two people in jeopardy two groups in jeopardy number one

00:33:00.180 you and your family who they basically want cops to assassinate and and also the cops so walk us

00:33:06.700 through what happened to you joe paggs about 2 30 in the morning uh two nights ago steve and made

00:33:11.780 great job that you do here in the war room i love being on today uh i'm sitting in my office i don't

00:33:16.320 go to bed till 5 or 5 30 which is lucky because this happened about 2 30 2 35 and i've got one of

00:33:21.180 those cameras out the front door that'll give you an indication if somebody's there and i thought there

00:33:25.400 was a bug on the camera that'll happen every once in a while maybe the dogs had to go out my wife woke up 1.00

00:33:28.840 in the middle of the night whatever and uh that wasn't it i i went to the camera and it shows you

00:33:33.820 the video that just happened and there's a dude with it with a cap on i can't tell if it's a cop

00:33:38.460 or not because now it's night vision it's very dark out during the day it's a color camera but at night

00:33:42.360 it's night vision and there's a guy with with a long gun he's got a rifle ar-15 type something like

00:33:47.700 that i've got one it looks like an ar-15 and i'm like there's a dude at my front door with an ar-15 he's

00:33:52.380 got a cap on he looks nervous as hell steve he's he's he's looking around you know what's going on

00:33:57.160 so i had to think to myself in about about a second what do i do do i grab my ar go out

00:34:02.500 then i'd be dead in my doorway do i grab my my my pistol conceal it walk out yell who are you

00:34:07.720 do i call 9-1-1 which i ended up doing i called 9-1-1 got the county sheriff i said i need to know

00:34:12.900 there's my address this is who i am um is there somebody at my house right now she said yes sir

00:34:18.160 there is there's this we got a call two dogs were shot dead family is hiding in the basement i said

00:34:23.220 we're in texas we're in basements here so listen here's who i am you probably know who i yes yes

00:34:27.900 sir we do public figure this is probably a swatting tell the guy to put the gun down not down like take

00:34:32.980 it off and just point the muzzle down i'll come out with my hands up let's clear this up right now 0.97

00:34:37.380 there is no distress no peril at my house this is some bad guy hoping that i'll be killed by you guys 0.94

00:34:43.760 this is this is as you said steve assassination by cop if they can do it and it was scared listen i i've

00:34:49.280 i've got adrenaline in what we do every day but i've never had adrenaline like this that i felt

00:34:53.460 that night and and thank god these are good guys and gals the police in this area are amazing and

00:34:58.200 where i live in texas and we were able to diffuse it pretty quickly but steve i walked out and when i

00:35:02.420 walked out of my studio well my production studio there was in my backyard i can see a bunch of

00:35:06.520 flashlights it ended up seven county sheriffs or sheriff's deputies were at my house surrounding

00:35:12.180 the house had i done something differently we probably wouldn't be talking today

00:35:16.280 no this is the point this and i talked to mtg we've been swatted a bunch of times in in dc in

00:35:23.320 our headquarters i talked to mtg she had you know she had the long gun right by her bed she picked it 0.99

00:35:28.380 up and first to walk to the door if she had gone to the door she'd have been dead if you had gone 0.96

00:35:33.840 outside you know and and they'd seen your weapon at all you were a dead man that's what they want 0.98

00:35:38.900 this is not fooling around they want the police to shoot you and to assassinate you sir

00:35:43.960 is that pretty clear without any doubt what you just said is true this wasn't to scare me

00:35:50.080 this wasn't to to say hey stop talking about about zelinski the way that you do hey you know stop 0.99

00:35:55.260 taking the right side or supporting you know trump this was we want the guy dead we'd like to kill him 0.99

00:36:00.920 and here it's twofold for them the bad guys steve think about it if i'm dead in my doorway they get 0.98

00:36:05.460 my voice off the air they get my face off the tv and they had the bad guy's the cop who killed me

00:36:10.620 so i mean this is twofold for them they can look at let's see we should we get rid of the police

00:36:15.440 reform the entire play they can't believe they killed this innocent guy at his house

00:36:18.960 and look quietly we got his voice out of here this this was this is not this is not child's play this

00:36:25.040 is some kid calling it a bomb scare at high school trying to get a day off of school no this is somebody

00:36:29.760 wanting to take out media people that they don't agree with this this is i mean this is well we got

00:36:36.820 swatted a couple of years ago and there was kind of random this is a well thought through they're

00:36:41.600 trying to go after the that they're going after the toughest hombres the guys who are unrelenting and

00:36:46.840 what they hope because you see the type they're going after that you take a couple of guys out

00:36:52.360 before you're assassinated right and then they have a huge brouhaha that law enforcement and then

00:36:57.080 your voice is off a couple of police officers are killed and uh and you're assassinated it's a it's a

00:37:03.640 it's a win-win-win for this and this is why until cash got there because i know we've had to deal

00:37:08.580 with this system before it's never been seriously investigated or prosecuted and that's what i'm

00:37:14.620 hoping now with cash what would be your recommendation one to your other media figures out there number two

00:37:21.360 to uh to the police officers in these different regions and then to cash patel what would be your

00:37:26.340 guidance well i hit cash immediately he's a friend just like he is of yours and uh and and i'm glad he put

00:37:31.740 something out today said cash this just happened please and he just wrote me back one word he said

00:37:36.180 copy like i got it and then today he put out the he put out that notification uh the advice i would

00:37:41.040 give is i live in a pretty big area of texas i live in the san antonio area just north of and the county

00:37:46.500 sheriff was up on what swatting was but the people under him weren't necessarily i i've now educated all

00:37:52.980 the dispatchers give it to my cell phone number this is who i am if you get a call to my house you call

00:37:57.200 me first let's defuse this right away if you're in the media and you see something like this go down

00:38:01.900 hey if you don't have a camera outside your house get one and get several because steve they would

00:38:06.200 have broken in the door had i not had the camera and had it not called them immediately i would

00:38:09.440 have had people coming in from the back side and from the front side and you're right there would

00:38:13.120 have been a shootout and it would have it would have unfolded like you said so my advice is to get

00:38:17.040 with your local police whether it's a a police department talk to the chief talk to the captain talk to

00:38:21.740 somebody if it's the sheriff's department get the actual sheriff if you can if not get somebody who's in

00:38:26.460 charge somebody who can make decisions and make sure they understand this is going on i'm one of

00:38:31.560 what is it now 9 10 12 15 i know i was one of the first two or three that they did this to but this

00:38:37.160 is without a doubt like you said a coordinated effort to take people like me out and we have to

00:38:41.320 be working in conjunction with law enforcement make them aware because the dispatchers weren't aware

00:38:45.440 when i said i think i'm being swatted she said i don't know what you mean so i had to explain what it

00:38:49.500 was and i think that they're now abreast of it there's a mechanism in place that they try it with me

00:38:53.480 again but that would be the advice but they want us to turn against each other and they want voices

00:38:58.520 like yours and mine shut down it's not going to work oh and they also hope you kind of moderate no

00:39:04.760 it ain't going to happen you got pags this guy's a tough hombre uh pags where do people get your

00:39:09.600 show where they go to get you on social media brother yeah joepaggs.com it's either joe talk show

00:39:15.480 on all the social media and i'm verified or it's joe pags j-o-e-p-a-g-s and we're live

00:39:20.480 six to nine p.m monday through friday steve one of the original gangsters an og joe pags thank you

00:39:27.180 for joining us and uh go with go with god man tough guy right there another one of the most

00:39:33.500 prominent voices uh sean farish sean's joining us by phone i'll play later the clip i think he and

00:39:40.340 his wife put up sean they have the clip let's play the clip

00:39:45.240 hey guys it's sean my wife brennan and i just wanted to give you guys an update we did just

00:39:54.340 get swatted uh here in tennessee uh the officer said they received a phone call that uh that

00:40:02.260 somebody murdered somebody in the house and was planning a suicide by cop so i received the call

00:40:08.900 with that information we cooperated with police they were very nice they were actually very nice

00:40:13.420 very very nice they were not aware that this was going on across the country um was that you know

00:40:18.300 what how did you feel about that what was what was going through your head when you saw officers

00:40:21.980 in the backyard with uh with guns i was shaking i was terrified i was the only one awake he was

00:40:26.740 asleep yeah and they were just pointing their guns into the house and it i i i was very scared

00:40:34.980 that's it and that's the point and that's what these people are trying to do uh they are trying

00:40:39.600 to silence folks who are not afraid to speak their mind online and uh you've seen it happen to so many

00:40:45.320 other people across the country we are going to do what we can from tennessee to try and get to the

00:40:49.780 bottom of who's responsible for it uh i'd like to see um the justice department cash patel that's sean

00:40:56.460 and then we'll play i'll put that up online sean is uh sean farish joins us now by phone sean

00:41:01.660 a cash patel just put out a a tweet from the fbi say he's all over this many people have talked to

00:41:08.900 him behind the scenes he says he's got a team on this they're talking to law enforcement they're

00:41:13.120 going to get to the bottom of investigating this uh we got you by phone i'm holding you to the break

00:41:17.740 so tell us what happened what what exactly happened to you and your wife well steve first thanks you

00:41:23.060 thank you so much for uh allowing me to tell the story here and raise awareness about this because it

00:41:27.620 could have been a lot worse and you know it could have been as bad as we've seen with some of the

00:41:31.620 j6ers who were ripped from their homes thankfully that's not what happened um i'd fallen asleep i 1.00

00:41:37.340 was on the couch we had a long day yesterday my wife woke me up and told me that there were cops 0.91

00:41:41.060 in our yard with guns uh i knew that this was going on to other prominent voices in the movement

00:41:46.300 um i saw it all over the internet so i sat straight up and i said to her okay we're being swatted and she

00:41:51.980 didn't know what that meant um you know or she thought worst case scenario you know we were going to

00:41:56.200 have our house raided um but you know we said let's sit down and let's wait for instruction so

00:42:02.020 the cops positioned themselves outside uh and then i got a phone call from the deputies outside the home

00:42:07.740 and they told me what they received you know the call that they received that two people were shot in

00:42:13.520 the house and that uh uh that i was planning on committing suicide by cop and um that if they came

00:42:21.080 into the home i said that's not true it's my myself my wife we have three cats we rescued um and we

00:42:27.400 walked out we complied with their orders everything was was very calm uh the officers that were here

00:42:33.420 handled it very nicely they were professional they were kind um but they did not know that this was a

00:42:38.640 national trend that was emerging and i made them aware of that uh just before we came on here uh they

00:42:44.980 called and wanted some additional information i'm going to be reaching back out to them shortly

00:42:48.580 but about five minutes before we connected here another mysterious uh domino's order pizza order

00:42:54.600 showed up at the house that i didn't order so uh whoever is doing it is also apparently ordering food

00:43:00.800 um they got the order wrong so you know i sent it back but uh no it's whoever's at it is still at it

00:43:07.840 and we want them to be brought to justice and we want people to stay safe sean hang over a second

00:43:13.640 we're gonna take a a a short commercial break and sean i will tell you those pizza orders are

00:43:20.500 dangerous you don't know when what they're going to show up with or who's going to show up or how

00:43:25.100 they're scouting your house so short commercial break sean ferris another one of the prominent

00:43:29.780 voices in the movement under attack be back in a moment

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00:44:55.140 sean is there any doubt in your mind that whoever did this and cash is committed to get to the bottom

00:45:04.080 of it wanted to uh essentially have you and your wife assassinated by cop sir there's uh that that's

00:45:12.560 something that we've been thinking about that they were hoping somebody made a mistake and that was the

00:45:16.980 uh that that was the outcome yeah i would say that's definitely been something we've been talking

00:45:21.340 about her and i together

00:45:22.460 i mean you're a comedian or at least your your your impersonation of the president is bar none the best

00:45:30.320 but you also in that have so much powerful someone has so much powerful social commentary in it

00:45:36.820 does it shock you that the radicals on the left want to basically have assassinated

00:45:44.540 a husband and wife of a guy that is a comedian but does it with social commentary does that strike you as

00:45:50.880 odd

00:45:51.260 no that strikes me as uh par for the course with this group unfortunately i mean we've had

00:45:57.140 a long history with them when i lived in new york i actually joined your show years ago for

00:46:01.600 from the best page usps we yelled the protest for jesse morgan um and we took plenty of heat

00:46:07.920 back then when we were activists in new york um that was before i'd met my wife but um we uh we wound

00:46:15.080 up you know rolling with the punches then and we're going to roll with them now i mean if they think that

00:46:20.140 that they reach somebody who's going to be uh they think that they reach somebody who's going to stay

00:46:24.400 silent they came to the wrong house it's the period is the end of the story there so um they're not

00:46:29.100 going to win we will they're not going to win their tactics are cheap uh and intimidation is not

00:46:35.620 going to work on us i'm a new yorker i think we don't we don't back down so you're not going to

00:46:41.480 you're not going to back down you're not going to ease up you're not going to take your foot off the

00:46:44.980 the the gas because you're you come on you come on you're you come on kind of strong sometime you're

00:46:49.760 not going to back off on this no there's not a chance no um you know like i said i grew up in new

00:46:54.800 york my mom's from brooklyn she's italian we have it in our blood to just be someone tells me not to

00:46:59.740 do something and i'm going to do it twice as loud um so now i live in tennessee uh and again the the

00:47:05.980 whole idea is that someone tells me not to do something i'm going to do it twice as loud and

00:47:09.440 and they're going to regret it well you know they're still coming after you with these domino

00:47:15.060 there'll be other stuff like that so you you realize that you're not off the hook yet

00:47:18.920 oh yeah i mean if they're uh if they're gonna keep doing that you know my wife said there's a

00:47:25.400 car in the driveway i said is it a cop car she said no it's a white car and she's the guy come

00:47:29.640 out the domino's guy so you know i'm expecting it to continue for a while um we know how to handle it

00:47:37.500 we'll have a good relationship with the sheriffs that's our silver lining

00:47:39.880 shot what is your social media how can people find out more about you the the one the few that don't

00:47:47.520 know and and where do they go to to find out get more of your content so uh we stream mondays

00:47:53.880 through fridays on rumble it's rumble.com slash uh lfa tv my social media my x is um at s-h-a-w-n

00:48:01.940 underscore f-a-r-a-s-h we post links there we have a lot of fun there and uh we appreciate everybody's

00:48:08.580 support everybody who checked in and steve thank you so much for allowing me the time to uh to tell the

00:48:12.860 story no it's uh when i saw i saw the video we'll play that this afternoon on this afternoon

00:48:18.920 show it's uh and your wife is great with a uh too tough hombres and that's what we need what they're 1.00

00:48:24.780 trying to do is intimidate this movement they know we're winning right now they're trying to take out

00:48:29.140 the media part of this uh the uh the folks at the tip of the spear and uh what i'm telling them they

00:48:34.740 can't intimidate these folks can't intimidate guys like you and joe peggs sean honored to have you

00:48:39.280 on here fight on sir thank you so much you too thank you let's everybody pile into his social

00:48:46.400 media let's get his show let's do it all social show some support on this this is very i can tell

00:48:52.320 you in the uh we had a couple of swattings back to back in dc a couple of years ago and they were

00:48:58.500 very very very dangerous they want assassination by cop they also want you to take out a couple of

00:49:04.800 cops so it's dangerous for the law enforcement that's what cash is saying and it's dangerous for

00:49:10.140 uh obviously dangerous for the individual and you can see they're going after kind of the tip of the

00:49:15.080 spear they're going to come after you too they are not going to give up control of this country

00:49:20.560 you see this right now you see you see with president trump look what john you and mike davis

00:49:25.920 is sitting right there telling you go back to the constitutional order people have talked about

00:49:30.700 this for decades you've heard about this we got to go back to the constitution we have to

00:49:34.380 get rid of the department of education we have to you know make get the justice department to

00:49:40.160 actually report to the office of the president you've heard this talk and talk and talk trump is

00:49:44.660 action action action action this day a sense of urgency what did the great john you say that hamilton

00:49:52.640 one of the the greatest of the founders revolutionary generation and uh and and founders

00:50:00.040 just didn't fight the war but actually create both destroyed the british empire's hold on us and then

00:50:05.840 was there to create something new that the that the executive should move with dispatch in energy

00:50:12.820 is that trump on dispatch in energy and look how they're trying to look how they're trying to

00:50:20.040 stop him every way and the people that promulgate that because it's information warfare

00:50:24.800 you know that we know that and what they try to do they're trying to take out that that that group of

00:50:32.100 kind of field officers in the information war and look what happened i'm still not i still can't make

00:50:40.580 head i can't it can't make out this alex jones his producer there's something just out there

00:50:45.920 and of course alex was on with with general flynn and he said hey they got information

00:50:50.780 and mike flint's as dialed in as you can get and alex ain't too shabby that there's hits out on like

00:50:56.600 uh there there's a hit out on alex right and what did joe pag say right there he says hey i'm on

00:51:03.260 zelinski every day and and alex jones i'm just repeating what alex was saying he's saying hey because

00:51:07.640 of my ukraine situation

00:51:09.920 you're not you got to be all in on this you have to be able to you have to be willing to go to prison

00:51:18.680 you have to be willing to be assassinated you have to be willing to give it all or you're going

00:51:24.240 to lose your country this was president trump could he have been more all in he's all in today

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