Episode 4363： Senate Intelligence Committee On World Wide Threats Not A Search For Truth Cont.
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In this episode, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Director of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, Jack Posobiec, respond to a question from Sen. Lankford and Sen. Wyden on whether the President has the authority to grant security clearance to certain individuals.
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in which classified information was shared using phones that weren't cleared for such
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information. Question for the two of you. Senator, thank you for the question. I haven't,
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your question was, have I participated in any other group chats sharing classified information?
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To be clear, I haven't participated in any signal group messaging that relates to any classified
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information at all. Okay. Director Gabbard. Senator, I have the same answer. I have not
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participated in any signal group chat or any other chat on another app that contained any classified
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information. Yeah, and I just think it's important to follow through here. Would the two of you
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cooperate with an audit to confirm that that is not that is the case?
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I have no objection. Senator, I'll certainly comply with any follow-up that
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the National Security Council would deem appropriate. But again, to be clear,
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the use of signal message and encryption applications is permissible and was, in this case,
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used permissibly, at least to my understanding and in a lawful manner. The seriousness of this is so
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clear. That's why I want to have an audit and both of you gave me an answer indicating that you would be
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open to that and I appreciate it. Director Patel, you weren't in this particular group chat, but have
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you participated in any chats on unclassified phones with other administration officials relating to
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national security? And if so, on what other topics? Thank you. Thank you for your question, Senator,
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and not that I can recall. Okay. Question I have for you, Director Gabbard, involves this question of
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Elon Musk wasn't going to see the military's China war plans because he said he, quote, has business
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in China and he would be susceptible perhaps to that. That was his comment. So as DNI, you're responsible
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for security clearance policies across the government. Under your watch, how are you going to go about
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carrying out this obligation? Because I think it obviously is a very significant one in terms of
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American national security. Thank you, Senator. As you know, the Office of the Director of National
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Intelligence provides oversight over these different 18 intelligence elements. Leaders within those
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elements are empowered with that responsibility to uphold the trust that the American people have
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placed in them. In this example that you cited, both Secretary Hegseth as well as President Trump
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completely denied the assertion that Elon Musk was going to receive any kind of classified war plan brief
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pertaining to China or any other country. So on the question of whether the president has the prerogative
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to get clearances is really the area that I want to touch on because you're formally responsible for
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security clearance policies and that's why I'm asking about about it. So can a president decide who gets
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the clearance? Yes. So what about your role? You're formally responsible for security clearance policies.
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That is also true. So how do we resolve it? President just gets his way. The elected president and
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commander-in-chief has the authority to provide a security clearance to those who he deems necessary.
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Mr. Chairman and to the ranking member, I think we have to have a further discussion on this and figure
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out what the ground rules, you know, are. I think it's clear what the director says. I just think we
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need more clarity because I think you have the formal responsibility for security clearances and now
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we've heard that this somehow is going to be the president's project and I think we ought to have
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further discussions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Lankford.
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Mr. Chairman, thank you. Thank you to all of you, your service to the country.
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It matters. There are a lot of countries, there are a lot of citizens of our country right now
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that have- I'll be blunt. After Lankford's, all Lankford's lies regarding the ridiculous bill he put
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for it on immigration, which we know Jack Posobiec was a total and complete lie because President
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Trump secured the border in 40 days. Right there, Jack, so help me out here. Tulsi Gabbard starts
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by taking a hard line, a line that I believe is absolutely appropriate. This is for the commander-in-chief
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and President Trump to figure this out. These cheap shots taken by guys like Warner and Wyden,
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the senator from Oregon, you know, they can ask questions, but it doesn't mean you have to sit
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there, particularly if you're- and we already know, I think the White House counsel or others
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has been reported so far today are looking into this. And Tulsi says at the beginning that they're
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looking into this, and she has nothing further to say. I don't know why they're going back and
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forth and actually now starting to answer questions. Maybe I'm missing it, but I think
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that breaks the hard line. You take a hard line, you dig in and take a hard line. Am I wrong in that,
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Jack Posobiec? I mean, look, you can do that. You can even respond in various ways, and I understand
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they're doing so in terms of their representatives of the national security team as well as the highest
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intelligence officers in the country. But, you know, I also remember, by the way, when Mark Werner
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was leaking the details of the dossier investigation back in 2017 to Russian oligarch
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Oleg Deripaska. I remember when he was running around doing that. I remember when this guy was
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totally fine with the Chinese going and buying all the Venezuelan oil, which was helping Maduro and
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helping him to be able to block the, you know, President Trump's migrant flights that are going on
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right now and all the insanity. So, you know, there's plenty of ways that we can point out that
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Warner has done the same thing. But at the end of the day, look, at the end of the day, it's simple.
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You take the hard line, you maintain the hard line. This is already under investigation. You
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don't need to submit to an audit because there already is an audit. The audit's already coming
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down. It's from the top down at the National Security Council level and from the White House
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Council. And you don't need to tell Wyden and these guys. And Wyden started off, we were coming
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at a commercial break and I really want to thank Real America's Voice for cutting the break and
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going right to Wyden when he started talking. Wyden, I think, started his comments by saying,
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hey, he's calling for the resignation of the National Security Advisor. The Democrats,
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they're not here to help. They're not here to assist the nation. They're here, once again,
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you have the judicial insurrection and you have now the deep state in the intelligence community.
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They're loving this. They're loving this because their two biggest weapons are not their political
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weapon. They're kind of feckless, as you know, on the political side. They have the courts and they
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have the deep state. And now they're going to put President Trump under a pincer roof.
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As we've been talking, Jack, over at the, both coming out of the House conference and Jim Jordan
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are both saying, Scalise and Jim Jordan are talking about actually in the appropriations,
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dramatically cutting, and Johnson, Speaker Johnson came up too, dramatically cutting the courts. In fact,
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they're talking about cutting out maybe one entire district of the federal court system
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for just cut off the funding. My point, they're playing hardball, right? They've called for,
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I think, a hearing this week. There are a couple of judges up there, not on impeachment,
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but to maybe start the process and hear from some of these judges. They're talking about cutting the
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budget. So on the judicial side, and President Trump threw down last night. Can you explain the state
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secrets what Pam Bondi in the White House did last night about this one judge? And we will go back
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as soon as we get another cheap shot question here. Steve, the concept is simple. The concept is
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that these state secrets were put out in open court. And when you put out something in open court,
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it makes it a public document. It is accessible. You don't even need to avoid it. It is already public.
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That's the whole point of the court system is that it's supposed to be done in public. By the way,
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this is one of the reasons that I totally support video cameras in all federal courthouses. It's
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ridiculous that we don't have this. We absolutely should have it to be able to monitor the conduct
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of these people. And we do need to have checks and balances. And that's why I love the fact that
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the legislature is finally bringing up their own power and taking up the reins of this without allowing
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this unelected bureaucracy to maintain so much power. And that's exactly what Stephen Miller was talking
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about last week. Look, the fact that it was an open court, an open forum, that is fundamentally
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different than having a closed discussion between government leaders, which, yes, of course,
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they allowed someone in, which they shouldn't have. That is fundamentally different. You put
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something out in court that means everyone in public can access to this thing if it is not done
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under seal. That's a huge reason, a blinking red flag that Pam Bondi absolutely has to look after. And by
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the way, these judges, they don't have full immunity, right? They don't have full immunity from,
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remember, no one is above the law. Remember that? No one is above the law. So we need to look at all
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of these procedures. If they want to play hardball, we could play hardball all day long when it comes
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to the conduct of these judges, when it comes to the purse, when it comes to the budget strings,
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we're going to look at every single piece of it.
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Okay. We're going to cut right to the question right now. They're asking the question.
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Actually, did you just determine it was not classified or was there any
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So to be clear, so everyone understands the process, as we talked about, Signal is a permissible
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The CIA has been approved by the White House for senior officials.
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And recommended by CISA for high-level officials who would be targeted by foreign adversaries
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to use end-to-end encrypted apps whenever possible, like Signal. In this case,
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what the national security advisor did was to request, through a signal message,
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that there be coordination. So you mentioned the name of a CIA active officer, correct?
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And in the article, the implication was that somehow that was improper. That was not the case.
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So the request for coordination was for a staff member to coordinate on the high side.
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So I communicated the name of a CIA officer not operating undercover, completely appropriate,
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who does openly and routinely coordinate with the White House as a member of my staff.
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So the intimation there that there was something inappropriate was clearly incorrect.
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Director, did it occur to you that, given the sensitive nature of this discussion,
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So that was clearly, Senator, I think the intent was that this was initially set up by the national
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security advisor with the instruction that send a point of contact and then you will be
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provided with information further on the high side for high side communication. So I think
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clearly it reflects that the national security advisor intended this to be, as it should have been,
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a mechanism for coordinating between senior level officials, but not a substitute for using high
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side or classified communications for anything that would be classified. And I think that that is
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So I'm curious, did this conversation at some point include information on weapons packages,
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Same answer and defer to the Department of Defense on that question.
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Well, those are two different answers, but you're saying that did not, that was not part of
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The precise operational issues were not part of this conversation.
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something on a very different track here, which is,
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is I very much agree with the conclusion of the ATA that foreign illicit drug actors are a major
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threat in the United States. And many of you have spoken to this today.
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Okay. Jack, we're going to take a, we're going to go to commercial break in a second,
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but I want your summary. I don't understand. And I realize we're doing this in real time.
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If you're going to take a hard line, you take a hard line. There's supposedly the White House
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counselor, somebody's looking into this. There's no, and I don't understand why Ratcliffe's getting
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into this kind of detail back and forth with these guys. They're not here. The Democrats
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here are not to illuminate. They've already said, they already said they want the national
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security advisor to resign. The whole Democrat left-wing media is all over this. I don't know
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why, and I don't understand why there's not coordination between in the White House, between
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the direct central CIA and Tulsi Gabbard. And my belief is that for right now, while this thing
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kind of, you know, it's playing out and people at the White House are kind of working through it,
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why you have Ratcliffe going into chapter and verse and trying to explain this, they're not
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interested in an explanation. They're interested in taking down the commander in chief, the president
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of the United States. And somebody's got to get savvy over there on this topic. This is,
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they're not there to illuminate and help the American people think this thing through. Jack
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I mean, look, Steve, this is every, when you're in a communications environment like this, which
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is politically fraught from a strategic level, every time that someone gives a different message
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than the main message, the White House level down, this is under investigation. This is under
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investigation. But when someone goes into business for themselves, it starts putting out a
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different message, giving additional information, pushing back or giving anything out. Now you're
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creating more challenges for either members of the White House team, members of various other
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teams that, you know, communications teams and security teams that are involved in all of this.
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And you're giving them avenues of attack to come down. Look, it's very simple to explain what's
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going on here. Democrats have politicized this. That's what Warner's doing. That's what Wyden's doing.
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And they have politicized this. They're not. And you could easily say, look, if you want more
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information, let's talk about it in a classified setting. You're trying to get me to leak classified
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It's time to move on. These people, there's a war going on that President Trump's trying to stop.
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This is a senior intelligence advisor. It's time to move on. Right. And you move on not by playing ball
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with these guys. It's ridiculous. This is just to all drive the news cycle. Stupid.
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OK, short commercial break. We're going to be back in a moment to this hearing.
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Thank you, Senator. With my background in FISA and 702, I just want to clearly delineate between FISA
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Title 1-3 and 702 collection. We need to both ardently defend its use, but also ardently support
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reforms that allow the American public to entrust that those charged with those capabilities are not
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violating the Fourth Amendment or any other violation. Speaking to Title 1, Title 3, when it comes to U.S.
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persons, I have already included an amendment in terms of FBI language to make sure that when a
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U.S. person is targeted that the FBI specifically is responsible for culling through all exculpatory
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information that is reasonably known and satisfying that burden and stating it in the application.
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When it comes to 702, Senator, some of the biggest enterprise efforts we have had to thwart national
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security risk would not have occurred if 702 collection had gone dark. And the FBI continues to use that
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information to protect the homeland. We've had multiple takedowns in the last six months based on 702 and
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interagency collection processes. But we just need to ensure the American public, and I'm working with
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my team, that even in the 702 sphere, American citizens' information is protected.
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Thank you all. I look forward to the discussion in the closed session.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Director Gabbard, I didn't intend to get into the Jeffrey Goldberg story, but
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something you said has sort of puzzled me. According to open source reporting at 1144 on the morning of
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March 15th, Secretary Hedsef put into this group text a detailed operation plan including targets,
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the weapons we were going to be using, attack sequences, and timing. And yet you've testified that
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nothing in that chain was classified. Wouldn't that be classified? What if that had been
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made public that morning before the attack took place?
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Senator, I can attest to the fact that there were no classified or intelligence equities
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that were included in that chat group at any time.
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So the attack sequencing and timing and weapons and targets you don't consider to should have been
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classified? I deferred to the Secretary of Defense and the National Security Council on that question.
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Well, you're the head of the intelligence community and you're supposed to know about
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classifications. So your testimony very clearly today is that nothing was in that
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set of texts that were classified. I'll follow up on Senator Wyden's question. If that's the case,
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please release that whole text stream so that the public can have a view of what actually transpired
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on this discussion. It's hard for me to believe that targets and timing and weapons would not have
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been classified. Well, let me move on. You approved this report, this annual report prepared by the
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Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Is this submitted to the White House routinely in
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I don't know what you mean by submitted routinely.
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Was it, well, was it, was this report submitted to the White House before it's released today?
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It was submitted to them once it was completed.
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I think probably around the same time it was sent to all of you.
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I want to move on one note that surprised me. I've been on this committee now for,
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this is my 13th year. Every single one of these reports that we have had
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has mentioned global climate change as a significant national security threat, except this one.
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Has something happened? Has global climate change been solved?
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Why, why is that not in this report? And did, who made the decision that it should not be in the report
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when it's been every, in every one of the 11 prior reports?
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I can't speak to the decisions made previously, but this annual threat assessment has been focused
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very directly on the threats that we deem most critical to the United States and our national security.
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Obviously, we're aware of occurrences within the environment and how they may impact operations,
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but we're focused on the direct threats to Americans' safety, well-being, and security.
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How about how they will impact mass migration, famine, dislocation, political violence,
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which is the finding, by the way, of the 2019 annual threat assessment under the first
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Trump administration? Do you don't consider that a significant national security threat?
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For the intelligence community, being aware of the environment that we're operating in
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is a given. What I focused this annual threat assessment on and the IC focused this threat
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assessment on are the most extreme and critical direct threats to our national security.
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climate change should be left out of this report after it's been in the prior 11?
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our team at ODNI to focus on the most extreme and critical national security threats that we face.
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Did your direction include no comments on climate change?
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Senator, as I said, I focused on the most extreme and direct national security threats
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That's not a response to my question. Did you instruct that there be no
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there no finding in terms of climate change in this report?
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Final questions in a few short seconds that I have left.
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You all concede and it's in the report repeatedly about the cyber danger from China, from Russia, from Iran.
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Why then is the administration deconstructing CISA? 130 people fired. The
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General Hawk talked about the importance of public-private cooperation. That section of CISA seems to have been disestablished.
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What possible policy reason is there for undermining CISA's
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relationship to the states with regard to elections and to the private sector with regard to cyber security when the cyber security threat is only growing?
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but I don't believe any of us have any insight into those specific staffing decisions that have been made.
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Well, let me ask you this question. You've all found that the report has found explicitly
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growing cyber threats including two elections from Russia, China, Iran.
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Do you believe that it's in the national interest to diminish our capacity to deal with those cyber issues? Yes or no?
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and making sure that the people that we have and the resources that we have are focused on our national security.
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He and his team recognize that more people doesn't necessarily always mean better effects.
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Those are some of the things that are driving the changes that we're seeing across the administration
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is getting all of our agencies back and focus on their core mission.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, thank you to all of you for your service to our country.
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Very interesting on CISA and climate change right there, Jack.
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They've already announced they're going to go to a closed door.
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When they say closed door, that means the classified part of this where they can get into it deeper.
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Jack Bosovic, as we know, most of the action takes place behind closed doors
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when they're asking, they can get, they can ask classified questions or information.
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They can ask questions about classified information and get it.
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All these senators are essentially cleared at a pretty high level of classification.
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Once again, and you see Angus King, what they're going to try to do is pick this apart.
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If you don't take a hard line and just say, hey, we got business we're taking care of.
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This is already being reviewed by the White House Council of the White House.
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You take a hard line, then you move about your business.
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And the business at hand is providing the intelligence to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War.
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And so in anything you do, and particularly, you know, I'm not trying to be on John Radcliffe's case,
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but the more that you are chatty, the more you're just opening up these guys are trying to pick it apart.
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They're going to try to, you know, get to every verb, every pronoun you're using, pick it apart.
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And then the jackals in the media will turn it up and I'll be blunt.
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They've made Jeffrey Goldberg now a central part of the story.
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If you don't have this debate publicly about whether it's classified information or not, you keep him off to the sidelines.
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Now, correct me if I'm wrong, you've made him a centerpiece, and that's what King and Wyden are teeing up.
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You see the tee-up they're doing for the rest of the day to be a firestorm in the media and to try to make a mountain of a molehill here, sir.
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Jeff Goldberg has been the center of so many of the psyops that we've seen before.
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This was the guy that they ran with suckers and losers hoax.
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He's been the center of the Russiagate dossiers, the center of the Iraq War architect and cheerleader.
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So why was it that Jeff Goldberg – think about this.
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You mean to tell me this wasn't coordinated, that he didn't get with the staff of the SSCI, the Democrat staff of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and say, hey, guys, I've got this thing.
00:26:56.920
So if you don't think this is a coordinated operation, then you have not been paying attention to the last eight years.
00:27:07.720
So the fact that he holds the whole thing – this wasn't yesterday that he got this.
00:27:12.420
He held it all the way up until the very day before the hearing, drops the bomb when he does yesterday afternoon, blows up the whole thing, doesn't give people much time to respond, and then boom, here we are in the hearing itself.
00:27:28.960
I've got potentially even more questions about, okay, so if this thing was a signal chat on government, let's play that game, Steve.
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If this was loaded onto government computers, who all has access to be able to add people into these signal chats?
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Who all has access on a server level to be able to see those messages?
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We actually need to start asking questions because I remember there were Venmans in the ointment last time around, and there may be Venmans in the ointment.
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Here again, all of a sudden, it's Jeff Goldberg of all people who gets added.
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This is why I said there's no coincidence at the top of this.
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This was put out yesterday because they knew they had a pre-scheduled hearing today on the annual report of threats, and they're going to use this.
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They're not here to, like, get information to help the nation.
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National Security Advisor invited him to join the signal threat.
00:31:48.060
I've seen conflicting reports about who added the reporter to the signal messaging group.
00:31:56.040
Is it perfectly appropriate that there was a reporter added, especially one that the Secretary of Defense says is deceitful, highly discredited, a so-called journalist who's made a profession of peddling hoaxes over and over again?
00:32:11.400
Is your testimony that it was appropriate that he was added to this signal threat?
00:32:27.460
When he was added to the thread, you're the CIA director.
00:32:31.640
Why didn't you call out that he was present on the signal thread?
00:32:53.680
When I said that I was using it as permitted, it is permissible to use.
00:33:01.240
You asked me if I use it, and I said not for targeting, not for classified information.
00:33:16.940
By the way, I think he's one of the more outstanding journalists in America.
00:33:21.020
But I'm shocked to find him on a thread that he's reading in the parking lot of a grocery store in Washington, D.C.
00:33:28.580
And your testimony as the director of the CIA is that it's totally appropriate.
00:33:46.540
There's nothing to see here is what your testimony is.
00:33:50.020
This is just a normal day at the CIA where we chat about this kind of stuff over Signal.
00:33:55.880
In fact, it's so normal that the last administration left it here for us.
00:34:06.480
I didn't say any of those things that you just related, Senator.
00:34:16.180
Did you know that the president's Middle East advisor was in Moscow on this thread while you were, as director of the CIA, participating in this thread?
00:34:37.480
This sloppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies and the personnel who work for them is entirely unacceptable.
00:34:57.340
I'm being gaveled by the chairman, and I apologize for going over my time.
00:35:10.380
Posovic, this is why I said at the beginning, you take a hard line and say it's being investigated.
00:35:19.460
Radcliffe, in trying to be the explanation, that's Michael Bennett of Colorado.
00:35:24.360
And Michael Bennett is a very skilled guy coming in and taking a cheap shot.
00:35:28.260
And right there, you can see the whole news cycle.
00:35:32.620
If you're going to take on the deep state, you've got to take them on.
00:35:37.280
The deep state is this apparatus of the intelligence community, the law enforcement community.
00:35:44.480
You've got Brennan and all these jackals on the outside.
00:35:50.940
Bennett came in for the kill because Radcliffe had set himself up in the opening thing by getting chatty.
00:36:07.320
They're there to use this as political information warfare.
00:36:13.220
And this was amateurish of the director of the CIA.
00:36:16.120
He should have never gotten into that discussion.
00:36:19.360
And Michael Bennett, who's a smart guy and a tough guy and a guy that you can't trust, came in for the kill because Radcliffe set him up.
00:36:30.760
And Posobiec, you nailed it about—you and I were talking at the break about Goldberg.
00:36:35.280
And we get back, and the whole thing is about how the hell did you have Goldberg in here?
00:36:39.440
And there's no rational—and there's no reasoning.
00:36:42.140
And then Radcliffe set himself up about Steve Witkoff being in Moscow.
00:36:52.800
Tulsi Gabbard's hard line at the beginning was the appropriate hard line of this administration.
00:36:57.460
It's basically, screw you, we're here to work for the commander-in-chief in ending these wars that you have allowed to get out of control, full stop.
00:37:17.460
Look, these people are going to twist your words.
00:37:21.960
This is why you say, hey, you know, when the FBI rolls up, you say, hey, talk to my lawyer, okay?
00:37:29.280
Maybe not on the current FBI, but we'll see, all right?
00:37:32.140
So, of course, they're going to twist your words.
00:37:42.560
And anything they put—this is what the Cultural Revolutionaries did.
00:37:48.580
And the more you talk, the more you give them, the more ability they will use to hang you with your own words.
00:38:05.160
John Ratcliffe tried to engage them, right, and tried to engage them.
00:38:10.940
Look how Bennett came in and waited for the kill, right?
00:38:14.760
And look at Ratcliffe trying to defend himself.
00:38:19.340
This is like in front of the Nazi judges where they just keep haranguing you on everything you said and twisting it and twist you in the wind.
00:38:28.060
This is what Mao Zedong went back to every village and did.
00:38:38.060
Now this thing is going to take on a life of its own because these people are jackals.
00:38:50.260
And if there is no dirt, they will throw the dirt on you and say, look, this guy's got dirt on it.
00:38:55.640
They're going to say, look, this admin's got dirt on it.
00:38:58.000
They're going to let – we have no idea, by the way, who actually added this person to the Signal chat.
00:39:03.160
And I'm even going to sit there, and since Darren Beattie is otherwise occupied, I'll be the one to say it.
00:39:08.680
We don't actually know who added Jeff Goldberg to this chat.
00:39:12.460
And I'm not going to stipulate that it was – it was the staffer.
00:39:19.580
How is it that the guy who did the suckers and losers, who's at the Atlantic, which has been the centerpiece, the centerpiece of the Atlanticist operations, of the deep state operations, the mouthpiece for Ann Applebaum and the neocons and the rest of them, that this guy, who's the overall head of this, is the one who's added?
00:39:41.120
The coordination, leaking it the exact day before this hearing comes out, is obvious.
00:39:47.360
I'm sure he's in a bunch of Signal chats with Democrats that never come out in the Atlantic or anywhere else.
00:39:52.640
This is an operation that was designed to set up the struggle session that you are seeing today, and you need to see that coming and say, no, Moss, I'm not playing ball.
00:40:04.420
First off, these people have to understand something.
00:40:06.460
But there's a bunch of these senators on the Republican side are wobbly.
00:40:17.520
A couple of three of these people get wobbly and get wobbly.
00:40:21.220
All of a sudden, you have a vote in the Senate.
00:40:32.640
He implemented state secret last night on the judge.
00:40:40.680
President Trump is in the business of peace and prosperity and taking on the administrative state and the deep state.
00:40:47.600
He's taking on a judicial insurrection about as hard as you can.
00:40:53.740
The CNN article yesterday, he's taking on the elites in this country and their institutions.
00:40:58.320
And the last thing you do is play into their frickin' hands.
00:41:04.140
They're not here to basically make up for all the mistakes that they have made, mistakes of, you know, conscious and unconscious.
00:41:12.580
And many of these were done on purpose that were in these wars.
00:41:17.020
Your job, your task and your purpose is not to feed the machine.
00:41:22.360
And now you've fed the machine in a struggle session.
00:41:24.860
That you wait the rest of the day and tonight in the New York Times.
00:41:28.200
This thing's going to go in a million different directions.
00:41:40.780
I'm here to answer any questions about this document that's there.
00:41:44.200
And so it's the annual intelligence review, Posobik.
00:41:49.160
Look, this is why they're going after Tulsi on the climate change stuff.
00:41:55.360
You say, look, I'm not going to give you anything.
00:41:57.760
I'm not going to participate in the struggle session.
00:42:00.000
Which, by the way, people tried to put me on a struggle session a week ago over the whole Christ is King thing.
00:42:04.800
And I had Jordan Peterson and eight people associated with the ADL.
00:42:08.880
And they were saying, oh, Posobik means something else when he says Christ is King.
00:42:27.620
And now all those people are backpedaling completely on the Christ is King.
00:42:35.940
I know when you're trying to put me on a struggle session or get me to co-sign someone else's
00:42:44.240
Maybe it's because we've seen the communism before.
00:42:50.240
Let's go back to the question of the Democrats.
00:43:05.360
OK, so I understand that DOD policy prohibits discussion of even what is called controlled
00:43:12.100
unclassified information, or CUI, on unsecured devices.
00:43:27.180
Not familiar with the DOD policy, but I would say that the Secretary of Defense is the original
00:43:33.280
classification authority for DOD in deciding what would be classified information.
00:43:40.020
Ms. Gabbard, does the intelligence community have a policy that prohibits discussion of controlled,
00:43:50.820
Controlled, unclassified information, according to DOD, includes information that is information
00:44:03.860
Would you, of what's been disclosed publicly of the signal chain, would either of you feel
00:44:11.960
that that would be approved for public release?
00:44:19.840
The discussion that took place in that signal chat group was a conversation reflecting national
00:44:28.260
security leaders and the vice president around the president's objectives.
00:44:33.700
So, yes or no, would you approve that for public release?
00:44:45.080
Because of the nature of a private discussion that took place between individual leaders
00:44:54.300
It would make sense that you would not approve it for public release, wouldn't it?
00:44:59.540
There are other factors that would go into that consideration.
00:45:05.280
I wouldn't approve the release of classified information.
00:45:09.660
I'm not talking about classified information, Mr. Ratcliffe.
00:45:11.900
I'm talking about information that has not been approved for public release.
00:45:16.560
That is information that is considered controlled, unclassified information.
00:45:22.280
The principles that would have been on that would have been individuals capable of approving
00:45:32.700
The deliberation as to whether or not we should launch a strike on another country, would you
00:45:40.360
consider that classified information, Ms. Gabbard?
00:45:48.960
This is—this is—I'm not talking about this.
00:45:51.580
I'm just talking about deliberation as—from principles as to whether or not we should launch
00:46:01.240
Would you consider that classified information?
00:46:06.200
There are other factors that would go into determining that classification.
00:46:10.240
Mr. Ratcliffe, the deliberation between principles in our national security apparatus about whether or not to strike another country, would you consider that to be classified information?
00:46:20.240
Pre-decisional strike deliberation should be conducted through classified channels.
00:46:27.900
If I may, I just want to return, Mr. Ratcliffe, to your answer there in part to Senator Kelly.
00:46:34.560
It's been raised at several occasions now in this hearing about whether classified information was discussed in this chat.
00:46:41.900
And you mentioned about the Secretary of Defense being what you called, I think, the original classification authority.
00:46:49.560
I think it's important for the public to understand that although you and Director Gabbard are original classification authorities on many matters,
00:46:58.860
you're not that for all matters that might be classified in the government.
00:47:04.040
So, if the Secretary of State has classified sensitive diplomatic details, that's his authority.
00:47:12.020
If the Secretary of Energy has sensitive classified information about our national laboratories, that's his authority.
00:47:18.180
And the two of you can't speak to other departments who have their own original classification authority,
00:47:24.920
which, of course, as Director Gabbard said, ultimately rested with one person, the President of the United States.
00:47:35.640
It looks like the vice chairman wants to weigh in as well.
00:47:39.200
I mean, I think it strains the audience and the watching public's credibility.
00:47:47.400
If we're talking about timing packages, that somehow this would be okay to put out.
00:47:57.460
Or just, frankly, senior American officials trashing Europe.
00:48:08.780
And the notion there's not even acknowledgement of, hey, gosh, we screwed up, is stunning to me.
00:48:14.820
And the idea somehow, well, none of this was classified, but we can't talk about it here.
00:48:22.380
I think the witness's point is they can't speak for every official in the government who has original classification authority.
00:48:30.600
Chairman, I don't—that's not what we're—I'm not trying to litigate that.
00:48:35.300
I'm trying to litigate on the face unless, as Senator Bennett said, this reporter is somehow making this all up.
00:48:45.460
And I think the White House has acknowledged that the text chain that he submitted was authentic.
00:48:52.060
It strains my mind to think—it strains my mind if the shoe had been on the other foot, what my colleagues would be saying about this.
00:49:02.820
And, again, we're going to get to the bottom of it.
00:49:05.100
And I appreciate your comments, but you guys have both testified under law.
00:49:08.540
There's nothing classified in that information.
00:49:10.900
And there's nothing—in a sense, I've not heard any—either one of you say, gosh, we screwed up.
00:49:17.080
This is too important to our national security.
00:49:19.860
And, again, I know we've got more members to discuss.
00:49:22.840
They testified, is my understanding—correct me if I'm wrong—that there's no intelligence community classified information.
00:49:36.520
She said repeatedly there was nothing classified.
00:49:40.680
You can't have it both—and, again, we'll see.
00:49:43.980
I cannot believe this is not going to come out.
00:49:45.700
And if it's not classified, again, we'd ask you to make it—give it to the public today.
00:49:51.640
I'm sure some—one of your aides back there probably got it.
00:49:55.720
On paper, if you've got it here, it's not classified, stand by your position.
00:50:00.900
Or is this just one more example of a careless approach to how we keep our secrets in this administration?
00:50:10.440
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to our witnesses for being here.
00:50:15.960
I want to explore a little bit about Ukraine, and I'll direct this to Director Radcliffe.
00:50:20.880
That is called A Cleanup in Aisle 3 by Senator Tom Cotton, the chairman.
00:50:30.480
This is now, because they play in hand, this is—they're going to, you know, quote-unquote, get to the bottom of it.
00:50:38.420
Like I said, once again, Jack Posobiec, this is not a search for truth.
00:50:43.080
They're going to use this to weaponize against President Trump.
00:50:45.500
And now you've got the courts—you've got this radical judiciary coming at one angle,
00:50:51.220
and now you've got the deep state that's now got fuel to come at President Trump for the other angle.
00:50:57.680
Hey, buckle up, folks, because this is going to get pretty bumpy.
00:51:09.360
Do you think the deep state just was going to roll over?
00:51:14.080
Do you think all the people that we've been fighting since 2016 onward are just magically vanished?
00:51:19.360
And all of a sudden, Steve, look, it's the same players it's always been.
00:51:23.200
It's the same players, and we keep falling for the same thing over and over.
00:51:33.180
—the guy who was shopping the Steele dossier around.
00:51:36.000
The same guy who was coordinating with the Steele dossier.
00:51:39.720
And you've got Chris Steele going up on Piers Morgan, at least.
00:51:43.560
Natalie Winters at least treated Chris Steele on Piers Morgan the way that he deserved.
00:51:52.140
You don't sit there and act like these guys are operating in good faith.
00:51:57.340
They are trying to take you down and through you the agenda of the American people and the America First movement, period, full stop.
00:52:07.400
You're acting like the struggle session has merit.
00:52:09.520
You're acting like the investigation has merit, that any of these people have merit, that any of these people should be allowed to have control of our country.
00:52:30.220
And that's why they're throwing sand in the gears of the machine.
00:52:40.340
By the way, at the end of these, with Chairman Mao, what they used to do with the Red Guards is they'd put the sign around your neck.
00:52:46.300
They're putting the sign around the neck right now.
00:52:48.440
And usually, usually, that would end with a gunshot.
00:52:54.280
You put the dunce hat on and the sign around the neck.
00:52:59.060
So we're going to end our broadcast this morning.
00:53:01.320
We're obviously going to have so much about this.
00:53:05.180
From Wisconsin, we were going to have the folks from Florida 6 on.
00:53:09.740
Also, the chairman of the St. John's County down there.
00:53:20.580
Part of the problem here is people have just said, hey, we won in November, man.
00:53:29.980
They mean to crush President Trump, to end MAGA, to end the Trump movement.
00:53:39.280
If you think you're through that, you don't understand reality.
00:53:45.100
Jack Pessoa, before I leave, I want to go back to the most important point today.
00:53:49.520
All of this happened, this tech chain, everything you're talking about, is the attack on the Houthis that took place on March 15th, Saturday, the Ides of March.
00:53:59.880
Do you think it's just random that it got released yesterday?
00:54:03.280
I've got a minute for you, Pessoa, before you've got to bounce.
00:54:16.520
You really think that it's the Atlantic, which we've always told you, is the central mouthpiece for the deep state apparatus, the blob apparatus, as Mike Benz calls it, the Atlantis apparatus mouthpiece.
00:54:27.720
Their number one guy, the guy who was behind the suckers and losers' hopes, the piece that was the same outlet that was behind the Russian bounties and so many other hoaxes throughout the years, in coordination with the Democrats on SSCI on this hearing, the day before they knew it came out,
00:54:44.360
if you don't understand you're looking at a coordinated operation, then you must have been asleep for the last eight years.
00:54:57.920
This is being done to try to isolate various cabinet members, to pick them off and attack them one by one, or to get them to fight amongst each other.
00:55:09.580
If you're looking at an operation, if you don't think you're looking at an operation, you better wake up, because you're in one.
00:55:20.000
Charlie Kirk, the great Charlie Kirk, is going to pick this up live.
00:55:23.800
We're going to continue coverage on Real America's Voice.
00:55:27.500
We're going to be back 5 to 7, break all this down for you.
00:55:30.320
Also, so much other news is going on in the judiciary.
00:55:33.720
This is a full-out assault on President Trump's presidency, and they're gearing up for it.
00:55:40.060
Jack Pasova, okay, we have the, let's go right down to the Democrat question.
00:55:45.940
Reported in the Atlantic Monthly, is that correct?
00:55:49.140
So, Senator, what I've related is that any information that was related from my perspective
00:55:58.360
or that I observed from the intelligence perspective was not classified information.
00:56:02.960
With respect to the assertions and the allegations that there was strike packages or targeting information
00:56:11.240
or things that relate to DOD, as I've pointed out, the Secretary of Defense is the original classification
00:56:18.200
authority for determining whether something's classified or not.
00:56:21.720
And as I've understood from media reports, the Secretary of Defense has said the information
00:56:28.280
Are you aware that the Secretary of Defense declassified this information prior to the good?
00:56:38.620
You've said it, you've indicated, at least the impression I got, was that there was no
00:56:45.360
Senator, my answer is the same as the Director of the CIA's.
00:56:49.660
So, the question has to be posed to Secretary Hegseth whether he declassified the information
00:57:00.960
Yes, I defer questions to the Secretary of Defense.
00:57:04.320
Director Patel, are you conducting an investigation of this, these discussions and activities?
00:57:14.300
As I informed the Vice Chairman on the same question, I found out about this late last night, early
00:57:19.280
this morning, so I don't have an update for you on that.
00:57:24.540
When you get an update, we'd appreciate it very much.
00:57:27.140
Director Gabbert, were you overseas during any parts of these discussions?
00:57:37.080
Were you using your private phone or public phone for the signal discussions?
00:57:44.780
I won't speak to this because it's under review by the National Security Council.
00:57:49.520
Once that review is complete, I'm sure we'll share the results with the committee.
00:57:56.500
Are you a private phone or an officially issued phone?
00:58:02.260
National Security Council is reviewing all aspects of how this came to be, how the journalist
00:58:08.340
was inadvertently added to the group chat, and what occurred to the chat.
00:58:12.280
We're pitching this live to Charlie Kirk right now.
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So you are not going to disclose anything about whether you use the phone.
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Hypertension, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, diabetes, all of it affects our heart.
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A healthy heart is key to being energetic as we get older.
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It is never too early to take care of your heart.
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You can start in your 30s, and when this happens, you're at serious risk by the time you turn 60.
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You need, if you're going to be part of the posse, you need a strong heart.