Episode 4370: Judge Boasberg Weighs In On Signalgate
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the latest on the Hagseth/walls scandal, and whether or not the White House should have done more to prevent this from happening in the first place. We also hear from CNN's Chief White House Correspondent Eric Eddings and CNN's Senior Political Commentator Eric Bolland.
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That could be it. That's legislation. That's going to be. Take it over. It's all yours.
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Bowling, you go from, you go, Eric, you see, you got range. You can go from the very serious
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to the comedic, you know, instantaneously. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it, Eric.
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Thank you, man. Eric Bowling, the great. Thank you, brother. So just for programming,
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President Trump was supposed to sign the executive orders earlier in the day. It was closed press
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because sometimes what they do is they is a film it live to tape and then put it up later. I hope
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the White House has solved the the streaming problem they had yesterday. We did notify them.
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I think they were looking into it. Our current understanding is it going to be at six o'clock
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tonight during our show. The second hour, they are going to have ears and we understand they may
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even make it open to press. We hope that's the case. And we hope our hope our Brian Glenn's there.
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But even if not, the press will be there and President Trump's your whole court. So we'll do
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that. We got a lot to go through in the first hour. We have a great cold open that sets forth
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what's happened to an incredible day for news and strategic news. Let's see it. I'll come in,
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put it all in context. The president has to hold people accountable when things like this happen.
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It is not fair to everybody who puts their life on the line to serve this great country.
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It's not fair to them. So somebody should be held accountable. It should be the secretary of defense
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in my view, in this case. Pete Hagseth and Mike Walls should resign immediately. They cannot be trusted
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to protect our national security. This week, we saw that they shared classified military attack
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plans on an unsecure platform with a random journalist included. Then they lied to the American
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people about it and doubled down on that lie even after being caught red handed. Secretary of defense,
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Pete Hagseth should resign. He recklessly texted operational details of military strikes,
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including time, place, location and sequencing of those strikes to a journalist.
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Had that information gotten to the Houthis, American pilots could have been shot down. Navy sailors could
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have been targeted. His reckless actions endangered the lives of American troops, endangered our national
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security and makes it so that our allies don't want to share sensitive classified information with us
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anymore. Pete Hagseth should resign. Yeah. Right. I mean, and frankly, every person on that chat
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should resign and never in their lifetime have access to classified material because these morons expose
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our military with their idiocy of just putting it into a group chat and not even not one of them said,
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hey, who is this other person in here that's not responding? Right. Like it wasn't like he was
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pretending to be someone else. He just like wasn't responding. Ultimately, the buck stops with the
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president of the United States of America, which is why I made clear to President Trump yesterday in
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my correspondence that the secretary of defense should be fired immediately if he's not man enough
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to own up to his mistakes and resign in disgrace. 16 Democratic senators who signed a letter today asking
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for, frankly, a more sprawling investigative action beyond what we just talked about. Do you think
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ultimately the reality will lie somewhere in the middle? Are you more likely to have to,
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for lack of a better phrase, take what you can get from your Republican colleagues? Where is this
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realistically going? I'm hoping for an even more aggressive, comprehensive investigative effort
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that will be bipartisan. This step asking for the inspector general of the defense department to
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do an inquiry is a good one. Very positive, bipartisan step. But these investigations by inspectors
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general often take months, sometimes years. And this one has to be prompt, penetrating and unsparing. And
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in the meantime, let's be very blunt here. There was a likely crime committed under the Espionage Act,
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under the Federal Records Act. There should be a criminal investigation. I think there's grounds for
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a prosecution. But ultimately, the evidence has to be assessed after the FBI, which has a criminal
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national security unit to do an objective and independent investigation that could produce a
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prosecution. I also think that both Hegseth and Walsh need to resign or be fired.
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Breaking news that the White House is preparing to pull Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik's
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nomination to be ambassador to the United Nations. NBC's Melanie Zinona broke this story. She joins us
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from Capitol Hill. What more do we know, Melanie? Yeah, well, it hasn't officially been pulled yet. We are
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waiting for a potential social media post from President Donald Trump to officially announce this. But
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based on several sources that I spoke to, that is indeed the plan, is that the White House is going
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to withdraw her nomination to be the ambassador to the United Nations. And CBS first reported earlier
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that this was something that was being considered today. Now we know that is likely to happen and is
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going to happen potentially within the next hour here. Now, we had also reported a few weeks ago that
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her nomination had been on ice. And the primary reason at that time was that there was concern
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from the White House over the razor thin majorities in the House. Remember, having her leave would narrow
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the already thin majority by yet another member until she is replaced in her Senate seat, which could
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take months. And there is a Democratic governor in New York where she is from. So it's just really
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uncertain how long that process would take. But I'll point out what's slightly different in this case
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right now, in this moment in time, is that Republicans are set to get back at least two
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of the seats that have been unfilled over these last few months. There's a special election next
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week for two Florida seats. That's for Michael Waltz, who left Congress to serve as the national security
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advisor. And then Congressman Matt Gaetz, who also left to try to serve as the AG nominee,
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although he ended up pulling out of the running a few days later. So Republicans are going to get
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their margins up pretty soon here. So the timing about this withdrawal is pretty interesting,
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to say the least. But nonetheless, the bottom line is that Elise Stefanik, someone who has been a
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Trump loyalist, was one of the first members of Congress to endorse Trump after January 6th to run
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for president, someone who's just been behind the president every turn. She even gave up her leadership
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post here in the House in order to eventually leave Congress. I mean, she's been posting all
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week on Instagram about how she's doing a tribute to all of her favorite moments in the House. There's
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supposed to be a toast to her with leadership on Monday night saying goodbye to her. It looks like
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she is not going to be leaving, at least for that United Nations ambassador post anytime soon.
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Of course, we've got two specials next week in Florida. Two specials we'll be watching on Tuesday.
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Chapin. And there is talk that Democrats think they can flip a seat here. Republicans in the state
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think Senator Randy Fine will be all right. But is that why we're having this conversation,
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because of what's up in Florida? It certainly is playing a role. I think you're seeing the
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Democratic candidate running a little bit stronger than probably anyone anticipated. So they are,
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you know, I think the Republicans are ultimately be safe. But this is the calculation,
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right? And they're watching this. And, you know, Virginia's point, right? A lot of the Trump agenda
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hinges on congressional support. I mean, almost all of Doge, right? If they're going to implement
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any of these, any of these recommendations stuff that's going to come next year, they need a
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willing Congress. And you've seen some Republicans like to, you know, do their, have a little
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independent streak, right? So you can't always guarantee on 100% in your caucus. So all of this makes
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sense to me. It's, it's the right thing to worry about. It's unfortunate for, you know,
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Congresswoman Stefanik, you know, having her sights set on the ambassador role, but getting the
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president's agenda passed is the most important thing for Republicans in the Beltway, for sure.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people, the people have had a
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belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the
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world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like
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that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
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had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my
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country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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It's Thursday, 27 March in the year of our Lord, 2025, an explosive day on Capitol Hill and through
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other parts of the world. We're going to cover it all. I want to, I'm going to replay momentarily
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in the next block when I have Mike Davis and Captain Fennell join me. Blumenthal right there,
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quiet part out loud. What did I tell you? There've been crimes committed. We want a criminal
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investigation. They violate the Espionage Act. This radical judge, as I just said on Eric
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Bowling's show, has already inserted himself in this case and asked for all documents, complete
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document dump, preserve your documents, everything from March 11th to March 15th. The Senate Armed
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Services Committee, which is the Committee of Jurisdiction controlled by Republicans, Roger
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Wicker, has agreed to a bipartisan, underline that, ladies and gentlemen, bipartisan investigation
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of this. More on that later. I want to go at 630 tonight. President Trump is going to be doing a
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town hall, a telephonic town hall in the 6th Congressional District of Florida for Randy
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Fine, the candidate, the Republican nominee. Randy joins us right now. Randy, you became a
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immense interest in the nation's capital today. Lee Stefanik dropped out. I want to say, Lee
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Stefanik did not drop out with Fabrizio's story about being nervous about this. Two other reasons.
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Number one, President Trump needs to have somebody in leadership that will deal with him straight
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and tell him, particularly on critical path, what's going on. Also, Stefanik's by far the best
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offender he's ever had on Capitol Hill. Now that Gates is out in San Diego, you got it. You almost
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got to bring her in. You got to go to the bullpen. The UN, we'll talk about the UN later. Randy Fine,
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this is a dogfight. Up till Saturday, you can vote early and then it's game day. Where do we stand,
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sir? Well, we've had a good day. Republicans are coming out. We've outperformed the Democrats,
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but we still have a long way to go. They've reached 22 percent. Almost one in four Democrats
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have voted, but only 13 percent of Republicans have. Our people are coming later. And so we need
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people to get out and vote. It's almost done for the day in most of our counties, but tomorrow and
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Saturday, people can still vote early. And I'm super excited that at 630, President Trump is doing
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a teletown rally with me. And so he's going to make the call, I think, for people to come out
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and vote for me as well. So if they live in my district, if they live in those six counties,
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I'm actually campaigning. You can see I'm in a car. I'm waiting to go into my next event,
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but people can go to voterandyfine.com. They can find out the hours and the locations of their early
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voting locations in those six counties. We just need them to get out and vote. If our side votes,
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we will win overwhelmingly. The question is, are they going to do that?
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Yes, we're going to make sure they do that. But my understanding on the numbers is that
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it's been reported that the early vote breaks down 51 Democrat, 43 Republican. Have we closed that gap
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at all, sir? Well, no, the early vote, I mean, Republicans are up by seven points. So I don't
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remember what the exact numbers are, but no, more Republicans have voted than Democrats. That's not the
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case. It's not upside down. The first day on Saturday, when you took all the absentee ballots,
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which Democrats typically do well on, and then early voting that day, they were up.
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But every day we've made substantial progress. We're up five or 6,000 votes Republican versus
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Democrat. So we're moving in the right direction, but we're not moving far enough. We need to get
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that number up, up, up if we want to have, because I not only want to win, I want to win strongly,
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compellingly, so people can understand just how popular President Trump remains.
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That's why I needed them to get to voterandyfine.com, figure out where to vote tomorrow or
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Saturday early. There's no reason not to run up the score.
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One more time, because people were jacked up after your appearance this morning. Where do they go?
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So they can go to voterandyfine.com. They can do one of three things. If they live in the district,
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they can find out where to vote. If they don't live in the district and they want to volunteer,
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there's a button where they can volunteer. And if they want to donate, every dollar we're raising
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is going immediately out the door for more voter contact activity. So whether it's $5, $10, $20,
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every dollar we raise will be out the door tomorrow being spent to make sure President Trump's agenda
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Randy Fiennes, thank you very much, brother. We look forward to seeing you, Mark. Good luck
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tonight with President Trump on the Teletown Hall. It's going to be fantastic. Excited.
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Folks, let's get up on the ramparts. Let's have Randy Fiennes back. He's right. We've got to run up a big
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number here. Stefanik, her nomination for the United Nations poll because
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we're going to go to general quarters in the nation's capital.
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The Senate Armed Services Committee that you have worked your ass off to make sure it's in
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Republican hands agreed to have a bipartisan investigation. And this judge immediately
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stepped in on this phony lawsuit, civil suit, said, save all documents. You saw Blumenthal right there.
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There's been crimes committed. This has to be a crime. You see where this is going, right?
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You see how they play? It's time now. Republicans got to learn how to play smash mouth up on Capitol
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Hill. Enough of being the wimps. Short break. John Kahn takes us out. Back in a moment, Mike Davis,
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...news from that federal hearing on the lawsuit involving the national security team group chat.
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CNN's chief legal affairs correspondent Paula Reid is back with us. Paula, what have we learned from
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the judge in this case? So, Casey, we had a decision here. Judge James Bozberg ordering the
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Trump administration to preserve all signal messages between March 11th and March 15th. Now,
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those dates are significant because those are the dates when Trump administration officials were on
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a signal chat with a reporter from The Atlantic discussing military strikes in Yemen. Now, this
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came after a lawsuit alleging that the administration was violating federal records laws because they're
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using this encrypted app that has auto-delete features that were enabled by at least one person,
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one official. In that chat, it's not clear that they were properly preserving these records.
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During this hearing, the Justice Department said it is trying to track down these records and properly
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preserve them. And the judge described this decision as a, quote, compromise. Now, Casey,
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Judge James Bozberg, he is an Obama-appointed judge who has come under attack repeatedly in the past few
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weeks from President Trump. And just last week, he oversaw a separate case related to Trump's sweeping
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use of a wartime authority to deport people he says were part of a Venezuelan gang. Now, what's
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interesting is during that case, one of the arguments the administration made was that they
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did not have to comply with an initial order Bozberg made because he made it from the bench. So,
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he did an oral order. They have argued that that didn't carry the same weight as a written order.
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So, he quit during this hearing. Can I stop you for one second and just ask you because I'm sure
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this is going to come up right in the Venezuelan case. The question was, are they going to defy
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the order? My question in this case is, what if they can't comply with it because the messages
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have been deleted? Well, there's a process for that. What I was going to say is he quipped that
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he was going to put this in writing. I think it's funny that he's sort of carrying that strand
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along to this case. Feels like he has to do that. I mean, exactly. I don't know if I'd make a joke
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in this context. You could just sort of do it. But in terms of whether they're going to comply,
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right now they have to show that they're at least trying because this group would have to
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show irreparable harm. And the Justice Department is like, you can't prove that. We're trying to track
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this down. We've tracked down some of them. Now, if they ultimately cannot reveal these text
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messages, if they cannot retrieve these, that could potentially escalate this controversy because
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they could be in violation of these records laws. Now, usually that is something that would be
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referred to the attorney general. But at this point, there's no indication that the Trump Justice
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Department wants to get involved in this at all or escalate it to a criminal matter. So it's going
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to be really interesting to see what they put in a status report in the next 24, 48 hours.
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Sixteen Democratic senators who signed a letter today asking for, frankly, a more sprawling
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investigative action beyond what we just talked about. Do you think ultimately the reality will lie
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somewhere in the middle? Are you more likely to have to, for lack of a better phrase,
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take what you can get from your Republican colleagues? Where is this realistically going?
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I'm hoping for an even more aggressive, comprehensive investigative effort that will
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be bipartisan. This step asking for the inspector general of the defense department to do an inquiry
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is a good one. Very positive, bipartisan step. But these investigations by inspectors general often
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take months, sometimes years. And this one has to be prompt, penetrating and unsparing. And in the
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meantime, let's be very blunt here. There was a likely crime committed under the Espionage Act,
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under the Federal Records Act. There should be a criminal investigation. I think there's grounds for
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a prosecution. But ultimately, the evidence has to be assessed after the FBI, which has a criminal
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national security unit to do an objective and independent investigation that could produce
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a prosecution. I also think that both Hegseth and Walsh need to resign or be fired.
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You see the targeting right there? Crimes, crimes, crimes, crimes, both of the judge
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and now Blumenthal and the investigation. And they're going to try to pull cash into this too.
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Mike Davis, the problem I have here, sir, is that the feckless Republicans on Capitol Hill
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are either rolling into this or in the House Judiciary Committee. And Johnson will not call up these
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judges to put them on notice that we're not going to tolerate that. Mike Davis,
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your thoughts, first off, where we stand with all this, how this judge got involved,
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and what's the solution, sir? This is a silly non-scandal. We have top national security officials
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using Signal, which is end-to-end encryption, to communicate. This is exactly what the Biden
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administration directed these highly targeted officials to do, right? And so we can't expect
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that these officials can all be brought into a skiff at one time to have these ongoing discussions.
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You have the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Advisor, and other
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key officials. They have to be able to do their job. They have to be able to communicate in real
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time. And Signal is the best thing they have, according to the Biden administration. So it's not
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illegal for them to communicate on Signal. It's actually encouraged, according to the Biden
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administration's pronouncement from CISA, which is the Homeland Security cyber part of the Homeland
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Security Department, right? So that's one thing. The issue here is that this report somehow got onto
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this signal chain. And the Trump White House needs to figure out how this...
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We just lost Mike. Mike, let's get him back up. I know he's traveling. Let's go ahead and reboot him.
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The courts are going to be the anvil. The deep state's going to be the hammer. Here's the state of
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play. They had one of these groups file a civil suit immediately, a civil suit. Now, this has got
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Bozberg, who's already inserted himself in the national security and forced the president to invoke the
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national secrets, the secrets act, the state secrets act, to try to back him off, to try to back him
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off from getting involved in his role as commander in chief. Now he's involved in Signal. And that's
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supposed to be random. And he's inserted himself by requesting all documents. As they said on the tee
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up, oh, well, that could be, you know, criminal. He'd be looking for criminal activity on just what a
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civil matter. In addition, Wicker of Mississippi, as the committee of jurisdiction over the Pentagon,
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as head of the Senate Armed Service Committee, that you worked your ass off to make sure you could get,
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agreed with Blumenthal and these jackals to open up a bipartisan investigation of this. And Blumenthal,
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at the beginning, the ink ain't even dry on it, saying, oh, it's criminal. We have to be aggressive.
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We have to have a criminal prosecution. Crimes have been committed. Mike Davis joins us again. Mike,
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your thoughts? I mean, like I was saying before, Steve, this is not, this is a non-scandal. This
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is silly. These top national security officials are encouraged by the Biden administration's
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Department of Homeland Security to use Signal for end-to-end encryption because they have to be
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able to communicate, right? And that's what they're doing here. The only, the mistake that appears to
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have happened is there was a reporter on the signal chain, likely inadvertently from their
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perspective, obviously. And so they need to figure out how this guy got on this signal chain and
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correct it so it doesn't happen again. But there's, there's no crime here. This was encouraged
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What about this judge that's now forced his way in on this civil matter? And what they're trying
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to do, I understand they're silly. The arguments here don't make sense. But as you know, in lawfare,
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it doesn't need to make sense. In fact, if it makes, if it's counterintuitive or counter the law,
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that's all the better. They use law as a weapon. This is not a search for truth. That's what I keep
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telling people. This is not a search for truth. It's not. They use lawfare. They use the courts.
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They use these radical judges. They use the, the, the process in Congress as a weapon and they're
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damn good at doing it. And we just seem to be too feckless. I'd like to know, I thought we were going
00:25:00.860
to bring judges up this week at the judiciary committee to start asking them some questions
00:25:05.220
about their role so far in shutting down every initial president Trump has, including his efforts
00:25:11.520
as commander in chief, sir. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I, it's just amazing to me that this
00:25:18.060
D.C. Obama judge, Jeff Bozberg, he seems to be the Forrest Gump of this lawfare against President
00:25:25.620
Trump right now. He just seems to be popping up on all these, these Trump cases. I thought
00:25:30.460
the D.C. district court was supposed to randomly assign these cases to these judges. I, I, this doesn't
00:25:37.780
seem very random to me that these two cases that, you know, deal with the president, with
00:25:44.780
national security matters with the president, it's Bozberg who's getting these cases. It's
00:25:48.840
just, it's not adding up. And, uh, in response to Senator Blumenthal, there's no crime here.
00:25:54.640
It is not a crime for the national security officials to communicate via signal. They were
00:26:01.500
encouraged to do that again by the Department of Homeland Security under Joe Biden.
00:26:05.080
Okay. Okay. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Once again, you're, you're, you're, you have the,
00:26:10.760
you're arguing law. You're arguing truth. You're, you're in a search for justice, bro. This is not
00:26:17.840
about justice. You see what I have to do, folks? This is not about justice. This judge is corrupt.
00:26:24.700
They're not going to stop. They're not going to stop. We just beat them in November, right? We just
00:26:30.300
beat them. They're not going to stop this thing in this, the courts, the same people sent all these
00:26:35.640
old ladies and people walking through, as you say, to take a Polaroid in the Capitol, sending them
00:26:42.020
years in prison are the same guys now at president Trump's grill. And you've got, and you've lose
00:26:46.940
Blumenthal and this pack of jackals in the Senate now. And he sent into a criminal investigation
00:26:53.720
by the, by the IG over at the Pentagon. Your thoughts, I mean, what, how do we stop the law
00:26:58.340
fair? Assume that we're right and they're wrong and it doesn't matter to them, sir.
00:27:02.760
Well, what I would, what I would say is I think the president needs to say, well, the IG is not
00:27:07.380
investigating this. The justice department is not investigating this. My white house team will
00:27:13.580
investigate this and we will rectify this because even if they investigate, what are they going to
00:27:18.020
investigate? They investigated that these national security officials, uh, were using signal, which
00:27:23.260
they're allowed to do. And there was someone on the, the, the signal chain, big deal. All right. So
00:27:28.140
you, so you, you, you, you make sure that doesn't happen again, but there, this idea that look, I
00:27:34.860
would say this, uh, you're not going to be able to open a criminal investigation without the justice
00:27:39.320
department. The justice department absolutely should not open this investigation. And frankly, I'm,
00:27:44.840
I'm stunned that Senator Wicker is, is participating in this in the Senate. There's, there's nothing
00:27:51.800
for the justice department or the IG to investigate. Mike, Mike, Mike, hang on one second. I want to
00:27:57.960
make sure people get a, where they have to go to fight this over article three short break. Captain
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Okay. The policy here is no scalps. Number one, nobody deserves it. Number two, we can't,
00:29:54.100
you give them a scalp and they're going to come in. They get blood in that water. It's all over.
00:29:58.600
No scalps. This goes right back to the confirmations, right back to the railhead of that was Pete
00:30:03.120
Hexeth. We're not going to bend one inch. Impossible. Mike Davis, people are ready to
00:30:09.060
fight, particularly the war on posse. They are there. They are so angry that the judicial system,
00:30:14.700
particularly this corrupt court in Washington, D.C. and Johnson and these guys, I don't want to hear
00:30:18.600
about this ISO bill, which is nice. You know, three judge panel. That's not the point right now.
00:30:23.320
The point right now, sir, calling judges in and put them in the stand right there and start drilling
00:30:27.700
with questions. And you're going to have these federal judges give you a different, they're going to,
00:30:31.820
they're going to give you different opinions, just human nature. They are today. Uh, the doge guys
00:30:37.300
over the secrets over at a social security got lit up by this judge lit up. And if you continue,
00:30:43.880
it's going to, it's going to continue until you stop it. It's going to continue until you stop it.
00:30:50.220
This is not a search for truth. These Democrats, they know how to use these courts. It's a show
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trials like the 1930s in, in, in Moscow, Mike Davis, the rate of fight, where they go, sir.
00:31:00.880
They should go to article three project.org article number three project.org. There is an action item
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right now where we need to contact both of your home state senators and your U S house rep
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to impeach and remove D C Obama judge Jeb Bosberg. I don't care if we don't have the votes in the Senate
00:31:21.400
to do this. I want to make the process the punishment. I want this to serve as a deterrence.
00:31:26.660
If Boeberg, Boeberg is in an impeachment trial, he's not, uh, making his illegal order,
00:31:37.440
A hundred percent. One more time. Where do they go, sir? Where to article three?
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Article three project.org article number three project.org. You can donate followers on social
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00:31:50.200
Thank you, brother. Mike, what's your social media? You're putting up stuff all night. Where
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do they go on Twitter and get her? Uh, M R D D M I A M R D D M I A. My initials, Des Moines
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Okay. Mike Davis. Thank you. Join us by phone. Mike Davis, the Viceroy. I've asked two individuals.
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it out now. Uh, I wanted to have captain for now. So camp for now, and thank you, you're up in the
00:33:02.660
middle of the night where you're joining us, but it was important enough that we talked during the day.
00:33:06.360
I want you, because here is the main thing. Pete Hegseth is doing the exact job that this audience
00:33:13.040
fought so hard to make sure he was confirmed. Uh, captain for now, it's, give me your assessment
00:33:17.840
as Pete Hegseth so far, uh, as secretary of defense and particularly making his initial trip
00:33:23.600
out to Guam as, uh, as, as you say, quite symbolic for the main thing, sir.
00:33:30.660
Yeah. I mean, the secretary is, uh, I mean, he went to Europe and he told the Europeans they needed
00:33:35.440
to do their share in the first couple of weeks that he was there. And now he's in the Indo-Pacific,
00:33:40.420
which is the main area of, uh, national security threat. And he's been to Hawaii to meet with the
00:33:47.000
commander of Indo-PACOM, Admiral Papro. And they've talked about the real O plans, the operational plans.
00:33:53.600
Uh, they go into, uh, defending our interests in the Pacific. He's been to Guam and he's now just
00:33:59.560
arrived in the Philippines. And there's, uh, reporting that there's going to be an announcement
00:34:04.320
that the U S will install another second battery of the Typhoon missile system, which is a combination
00:34:11.340
of the T-LAM and the SM-6 missiles, uh, together in a, in a launcher that basically gives us a surface
00:34:18.980
to surface missile attack capability out to 1500 miles and a surface to air capability of, you know,
00:34:25.120
600 miles or so. And this is a system that's very critical for our allies defense in the Philippines.
00:34:31.640
And so what we're seeing is him leading that and coming out on the front end of that to extend
00:34:37.760
president Trump's actions that he did in the first administration, when they first put a,
00:34:43.220
uh, the theater high area of defense, uh, missile system in, in Korea defends against the PRC's
00:34:50.180
missiles that could attack South Korea and Japan. So president Trump is consistent over the two terms
00:34:56.640
that he wants to increase America's defensive posture, uh, in the Indo-Pacific and the Far East.
00:35:03.020
And Pete Exeth is out there and he's leading the charge. You know, by the way, as he was doing
00:35:08.760
that, they're leading strikes into the, into the Houthis. There's now reporting in the last, uh,
00:35:14.100
24 hours that there's, uh, uh, uh, over a dozen, uh, uh, tankers and transport planes that have arrived
00:35:21.340
into Diego Garcia, along with at least five to seven B2, uh, uh, stealth bombers. Uh, so there's a lot
00:35:28.860
going on and, and the secretary of defense is young, energetic. He's, uh, leading the troops
00:35:34.840
from the front and he's energizing recruiting and he's energizing America's focus on, as you and I
00:35:42.260
talk frequently about the main thing. So he's in the main thing right now. He's in the theater and
00:35:47.800
he's reinforcing our alliances with, uh, Japan and Taiwan. He's going to, uh, he's in the Philippines
00:35:54.500
now, but he'll go on to Japan, uh, to celebrate and remember the 80th anniversary of the battle
00:35:59.680
of Iwo Jima with our Japanese allies who we fought 80 years ago. So these are very significant events
00:36:06.080
and he's representing us. And as you've been talking about, all this hubbub about the signal
00:36:12.340
thing is just, uh, really, uh, very political and it's very detrimental to America's national security,
00:36:18.640
especially when no one died in the attacks, uh, from our carriers, uh, into the Yemen against the
00:36:26.340
Houthis here 10 days ago. Unlike what happened in August of 2021, when 13 Americans were killed
00:36:32.080
with the, uh, feckless leadership from the previous administration.
00:36:37.860
And people should know when Captain Fennell talks, he's one of the most revered naval intelligence
00:36:42.100
officer that's ever, uh, ever, uh, put on the uniform. Uh, I want to leave with, uh, you,
00:36:47.620
you mentioned something we had Nigel on here for weeks, uh, a couple of months ago about Diego
00:36:52.460
Garcia and the importance of Diego Garcia. There's something happening there. There, there,
00:36:56.520
Diego Garcia has had a lot of activity. This is open sourced. It's had a lot of activity
00:37:01.080
recently. I mean, you and I might disagree on, on, should we be hanging around the Southern
00:37:05.360
Arabian Peninsula? But one of the mandates of the United States Navy is to keep the, the,
00:37:11.000
the oceans free, free navigation of the seas. Uh, that's certainly one mission that the
00:37:16.600
two strike carry battle groups are doing. But Diego Garcia is quite interesting, sir.
00:37:21.540
Tell me your, your thoughts that, uh, is the party going to be on? Is that what you're seeing
00:37:26.300
at, uh, Diego Garcia, sir? It sure looks like something's happening. And what I find ironic
00:37:31.800
is, is all the hand-wringing and, and, uh, the sky is falling from all of these politicians
00:37:36.480
in Washington about signal chats that were after the fact, or at least after the execution.
00:37:41.800
Uh, they're not saying anything right now about the regular commercial imagery, commercial,
00:37:48.120
uh, tracking of aircraft that's available on the internet that people have already found.
00:37:53.080
And we know, as I just said, there's over a dozen U S air force transport aircraft and, uh,
00:37:58.480
refuelers that are in Diego along with five to seven B two bombers that's out there in the public
00:38:04.460
domain. And yet I don't hear any of these same people that are screaming about secretary of defense
00:38:09.220
should resign are not saying anything about these issues. We live in the 21st century.
00:38:14.860
It's not like when I was commissioned in 1986 and we didn't have this technology and you had to go
00:38:20.600
to your skiff in the command center, or you had to go on board your ship to get access to the
00:38:26.080
classified information. We're living in a world where we have commercial satellites that are providing
00:38:31.020
data to everyone. And so as Colonel John Boyd said in 1960s, the OODA loop observe, orient, decide,
00:38:40.020
and act that cycle of OODA loop, whoever can do that faster wins. And so what we have is people that
00:38:47.940
are doing it faster and we're winning. Now, did we make a mistake in having it on signal? And should
00:38:53.480
we reassess that? Yes. And the president of the United States said it was a lesson learned.
00:38:57.500
It was a mistake. And they're going to make changes. But to say we're going to crucify somebody
00:39:02.120
over this is ridiculous. Right now, we have larger things to do. And that's to face the reality
00:39:07.820
that the Chinese Communist Party is sharpening their swords to essentially attack Taiwan and attack
00:39:14.840
American interests in Asia. Because to take Taiwan, they're going to attack our forces in the theater
00:39:21.180
to make sure that we can't come in and defend Taiwan. That is the most lethal threat to us. We didn't
00:39:26.980
defend or we didn't deter Putin from attacking in Ukraine. Are we going to deter the PRC from
00:39:33.400
attacking Taiwan? That's the existential question that should be asked of these congressmen and
00:39:38.680
these senators when they're on their TV stations and pontificating. They're not helping America's
00:39:44.340
national security. All they're doing is playing political games and everyone can see it.
00:39:49.100
Captain Fennell mentions the legendary Colonel Boyd, who I happen to know, that had the 9,000-page
00:39:57.720
brief on maneuver warfare. A legendary guy like you are, Captain Fennell. Captain Fennell,
00:40:02.100
I guess you don't have social media, right? Do you have a website?
00:40:09.520
That's okay. We'll just keep you here. Captain Fennell, thank you so much
00:40:14.880
for adding your level-headed discernment into this entire fiasco. Of course, there shouldn't
00:40:20.600
be any investigations. And to agree to the investigations and not go on full offense.
00:40:26.040
An individual spent a lot of time in Taiwan, knows what the situation is, but is one of
00:40:30.140
the most astute political observers in the nation's capital. Matt Boyle joins us from Breitbart,
00:40:37.080
the national political editor. Matt, you put out a tweet today about this Elise Stefanik that
00:40:42.020
I thought encapsulated. Denver can put it up, but I want you to walk through it. There's much more
00:40:45.560
here than Tony Fabrizio panicking about Florida Six. And there's a lot going on, and particularly
00:40:52.580
for this place and time, because President Trump needs a team that he can count on to take action
00:41:02.400
Yeah, look, I think that this is a sign that the president understands that the radical left and
00:41:07.780
the globalist elite are beginning their attempt to strike back after November the 5th. Obviously,
00:41:14.620
November the 5th was a huge election victory for President Trump and for conservatives and
00:41:19.400
America First Republicans. But they did not win the war, right? Like, they won a chance to win the war.
00:41:26.500
And I think the president recognizes this. And what we're seeing this week from the Atlantic
00:41:30.920
over this whole signal gate nonsense is that this is the first of many likely strikes from those who
00:41:41.900
have been disposed from power by the American public in their attempt, their desperate attempt
00:41:47.240
to reclaim power. So I think that what's going on here is that the president recognizes that to succeed,
00:41:54.320
he needs to have a very strong House majority, as strong as possible. And he needs people in positions
00:42:01.720
of power throughout the House that are straight with him, right? Like, so, look, you know,
00:42:09.840
not to knock Speaker Johnson too much, I think that question's been settled, and at least for now,
00:42:15.860
in the broader equation here. And, you know, after President Trump endorsement at the beginning
00:42:21.380
of the year, obviously won on the first ballot, and it is what it is. But the point is that Trump
00:42:26.540
needs somebody on the inside of the House Republican leadership team that he could trust
00:42:31.460
and talk to every day that's gonna shoot him straight when it comes to how this tax package
00:42:36.340
is coming together. So ultimately, I mean, the entire agenda rides on this, right? Like, the president
00:42:45.240
needs this bill to pass, right? Like, needs the tax details to make it through, right? He has to extend
00:42:52.720
his previous tax cuts, and he has to lock in no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, and no tax on
00:42:59.700
overtime. If he delivers on that stuff, right? Like, along with the immigration stuff, along with the
00:43:05.780
energy dominance, Donald Trump can lock in the greatest political realignment in modern history.
00:43:13.460
But he needs strong leaders in the House, and this is a strategic move, I think, by the president
00:43:17.820
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at the Ramparts, not worrying about how to pay off a hard money loan. Matt Boyle, Elise Stefanik
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in 2019 rose to national prominence. She was a backbencher. She stepped up one day to the
00:46:04.280
microphone and took charge of defending President Trump against a phony impeachment effort based
00:46:10.160
around, wait for it, Ukraine, okay, and Zelensky. Is that one of the elements? It's in your tweet.
00:46:18.040
I think it shows, once again, your wisdom. How important is it to have Elise Stefanik
00:46:23.700
actually in the House to defend President Trump? Because he sees right now,
00:46:32.040
Yeah, this is where everybody needs to realize we're at war, right? We are at war right now with
00:46:37.360
radical left and the globalist elite, the establishment media, et cetera. The party's
00:46:42.240
over, right? And now the serious work begins. And I think that the impeachment fight in 2019 made
00:46:48.320
several heroes, right? Some of them you see in key places all around the movement and in the
00:46:54.820
government, right? So, for instance, Lee Zeldin was another one, but he's at the EPA now. He's no
00:46:59.900
longer in the House. Devin Nunez, another one. He's now running True Social and Trump's media
00:47:05.240
enterprises on the outside. So, he's no longer in the House. So, it's like Elise is like the last,
00:47:11.080
you know, the last amigo, if you will, right? Like from that impeachment crew back in 2019 that,
00:47:19.780
you know, she was sharpened by that, right? Like, I think it radicalized her and it turned her into a,
00:47:25.760
you know, an aggressive fighter. And so, as we're getting it from all sides here,
00:47:30.500
and this is just the beginning, okay? This is just the very beginning, this Atlantic story.
00:47:36.180
The deep state, the establishment media, they are coming for President Trump and they are coming for
00:47:40.980
this movement and this agenda because this movement and this agenda represents a threat to their,
00:47:45.760
to their livelihood, right? Like, both things cannot survive, right? Like,
00:47:51.480
so, either the movement survives and thrives and prospers or they do, right? Like,
00:47:56.120
but they will go extinct. I mean, they are facing extinction right now from President Trump and his
00:48:02.240
team. You see it right now with all the teams, all the cuts they're making across the government and
00:48:06.480
everything and so on and so forth. All the changes they're making, the deportations they're doing.
00:48:11.740
I mean, again, we're, they're being sent the way of the dinosaurs. But the point is, is that,
00:48:16.780
you know, these people are, they're not going down without a fight and they're going to fight every
00:48:21.320
step of the way. Well, let's, let's, let's talk, let's talk about that. By the way, Devin Nunez is
00:48:27.800
also the chairman of the president's intelligence board, PIAB. So he's in the bullpen. Lee Zeldin found
00:48:33.460
the $20 billion Citicorp money laundering operation on the first day was at EPA. Stefanik's going back to
00:48:39.220
the house. He's going to be the tip of the spear. Matt Boyle, the way to stop this is to stop it. Why are we not
00:48:45.960
having judges go up before the house judiciary, Jim Jordan, that team to actually ask some questions?
00:48:52.840
I didn't say start an impeachment hearing right now, but have some hearings and collect some
00:48:56.700
information, particularly why Bozberg thinks he can step in and be commander in chief. And today
00:49:01.740
take some nuisance lawsuit from some, one of these left-wing groups. And all of a sudden he's requesting
00:49:07.440
all documents and MSNBC is talking about potential criminal charges coming out of that. Why is that not
00:49:13.420
happening, Matt Boyle? You say we're at war. Did Mike Johnson, the leadership of the, did Mike
00:49:17.820
Johnson, the leadership of the house understand when you say war, you mean war, sir? Yeah, but
00:49:22.820
Bozberg should have already been brought before a house panel and impeachment charges should have
00:49:27.400
already been begun against him. Right. Like, I mean, he's totally out of line, uh, whether, you know,
00:49:32.280
not just on this case, but the previous one with the trend air, Iowa, uh, you know, him trying to order
00:49:37.400
planes that were already in the air to be returned. Like that, that that's, he doesn't have the
00:49:41.420
authority to do that. He's not the, he's not elected by anyone. Right. Like, and so, uh, the
00:49:46.240
president of the United States is the elected commander in chief. We have a radical out of
00:49:50.180
control, federal judiciary, right? There needs to be serious changes and reforms done to this. It
00:49:55.060
needs to come from the executive branch, from the legislative branch. Um, and, and, and, and frankly,
00:50:00.240
from the judicial branch, right? Like, so I would hope that there are courageous people. And I know
00:50:04.400
there's a lot of good judges out there, right? Like, especially in the appellate system, right?
00:50:08.280
Like in the appellate courts that need to start raining this craziness and insanity. Yeah. Boyle,
00:50:14.380
Boyle, how does Roger Wicker, the, the, the, the committee of jurisdiction over the Pentagon,
00:50:19.480
the intelligence guys didn't ask for this, the committee of jurisdiction on the Pentagon and Pete
00:50:25.600
Hegseth and working in a bipartisan way with Jack Reed, another radical, and they got Blumenthal and
00:50:32.780
Blumenthal already said crimes have been committed. We need a criminal investigation. How does Wicker
00:50:36.940
as a Republican in this audience work their tail off for Wicker? How does Wicker kowtow and fall into
00:50:42.620
the trap of bipartisanship when it comes to this nonsense, sir? It, it, it defies logic, but I mean,
00:50:50.320
he's a globalist establishment Republican. He always was uneasy with Pete Hegseth getting confirmed as
00:50:55.640
secretary of defense to begin with, uh, because again, these guys are all, you know, in the pockets of
00:51:00.680
the defense contractors, right? Like, and so at the end of the day, uh, you know, there's a lot of the, we can
00:51:06.720
talk about the Democrats all day, but the Republicans have major problems still inside the Republican Party. And
00:51:12.640
there's a lot of rhinos and, you know, whatever you want to call them, establishment Republicans, rhinos, et cetera,
00:51:17.680
that need to be removed. There's good members coming in, don't get me wrong, right? Like, even the numbers are better
00:51:22.900
than they've ever been before, but we haven't won this yet. And everybody needs to recognize, we are at war. We are at war.
00:51:29.180
Matt Boyle, where do people go to Breitbart, your social media, all of it, the leading political
00:51:36.220
reporter in the nation's capital? Uh, just Breitbart.com or mboyle1 on, on to X Twitter.
00:51:44.520
Matt Boyle's got the right stuff. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you changing the schedule around.
00:51:49.060
We're going to leave you with the right stuff for the first hour. Next hour, Philip Patrick,
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we're going to break down this surge in gold globally. You're going to understand what's
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driving the markets, not what these high prices are about, what's underneath that.
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Also, if we're lucky, we're going to go into the Oval Office. And the 47th President of the United
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