A federal judge in Massachusetts has blocked Trump from sending anyone else to El Salvador, and a federal appeals court has upheld the lower court ruling that blocked that order. Meanwhile, a federal judge has ordered Trump to reinstate the employees of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and to preserve their contracts and data.
00:00:00.000that is blocking Trump from sending anybody else to that El Salvador prison the way that he did
00:00:04.800those several hundred men. It remains to be seen if the courts will also order Trump to return those
00:00:10.220men from El Salvador. But just in case Trump had designs on sending people to yet another
00:00:15.520random country to which the deportees had no connection, a federal judge tonight in Massachusetts
00:00:21.280has blocked him from doing that. Want more? There's more. Today, also, a federal judge has
00:00:28.120blocked Trump from shutting down the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Trump had tried to
00:00:33.380fire most of the people who work there and then told the remaining people who were still there that
00:00:38.360they were not allowed to do any work. And then he shut down the physical headquarters of the
00:00:43.320Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. But now a federal judge has issued an injunction blocking
00:00:48.940Trump from doing any of that. She has, as of tonight, ordered Donald Trump to instruct the
00:00:55.540government to reinstate the employees of the CFPB and to preserve the agency's contracts
00:01:01.580and their data. But wait, there's more. On Trump's week one botched and incoherent order to cut off all
00:01:09.520federal spending, all federal grants, now a federal appeals court has upheld the lower court rulings that
00:01:16.460shut him down on that. On Trump's ham-handed White House proclamation that all so-called
00:01:22.300probationary employees had to be fired from multiple agencies. That's the one they soon
00:01:27.060realized was so blatantly illegal they tried to take it back and pretend that it had just been
00:01:31.600a suggestion all along. Well, now a federal appeals court has upheld yet another of the lower court
00:01:37.200rulings that shut Trump down on that one as well. Oh, do you want more? Do you want more? Because
00:01:44.020there's more. Just before we got on the air tonight, we got a late night ruling from yet another federal
00:01:49.020judge who has issued yet another ruling blocking Trump, this time on one of his authoritarian fantasy
00:01:56.100executive orders by which he targeted a major mainstream U.S. law firm. This is a scene in New
00:02:02.060York City earlier this week. Protesters with signs reading, Paul Weiss, cowards of the year, and Paul
00:02:08.580Weiss profiles in cowardice. Paul Weiss, what will you tell your children? Paul Weiss is not a man.
00:02:16.380Paul, comma, Weiss is a law firm. And two weeks ago, after President Trump issued an executive order
00:02:22.160terminating federal contracts with Paul Weiss and suspending security clearances for the firm's
00:02:27.000lawyers, Paul Weiss caved. The firm went to the White House and signed some sort of deal with Trump,
00:02:35.180made some sort of deal with Trump that includes them giving tens of millions of dollars in free legal
00:02:40.740work to causes that Trump supports. As I mentioned at the top of the show, Trump has been picking on
00:02:47.220law firms one by one, threatening them, trying to scare the legal profession into not challenging him
00:02:52.260in court and not representing people he's targeting. And even as rich highbrow firms like Paul Weiss and
00:02:58.820now Skadden Arps have gone to Trump and offered him tens of millions of dollars in free legal services
00:03:04.420for his chosen causes to try to save themselves while he attacks the legal profession and the
00:03:09.980independence of the judicial system. These two firms, I believe, ruining their reputations and
00:03:16.400likely ending their businesses in the process of doing this. Turns out the rest of the legal profession
00:03:22.940is wiser. The rest of the legal profession is realizing it's time to fight. The first firm to fight back
00:03:28.800was Perkins Coie. Now today, two more. And at least thus far, they're winning. Today, Jenner and
00:03:34.560Block and Wilmer Hale both sued Trump after he signed executive orders that also targeted them.
00:03:39.800Tonight, in two separate courtrooms, two separate judges sided with the firms and blocked Trump's
00:03:44.820actions against them, at least for now. Trump is attacking the rule of law by attacking the machinery
00:03:50.580of the law. So much depends on how the lawyers at the center of this attack choose to respond.
00:03:58.800And experts who see this sort of autocratic breakthrough and the effort to try to change
00:04:05.900fundamentally the legal system in this way say that the timing on the fight back really matters.
00:04:11.940It's basically now or never. This is from Scott Cummings, professor of legal ethics at UCLA Law
00:04:17.900School. He studied the decline of legal systems in autocracies. Professor Cummings says this,
00:04:23.720quote, in the US, the window for action is closing. And when it does, there will no longer be
00:04:29.660opportunities for meaningful action against the lawyers in charge of this radical democratic
00:04:34.000takedown. Once this happens, as it has in other autocracies, the bar will be captured by the regime
00:04:39.720and levers of influence will be eradicated. The clear lesson from these regimes is that a wait
00:04:44.820and see approach does not work. And attempts at appeasement end up facilitating autocratic
00:04:50.700consolidation. Ultimately, democracies die when people lose hope that change is possible.
00:04:57.300We must not succumb to this pessimism. Say that American lawyers, lawyers and law firms should learn
00:05:03.200the autocratic legal playbook in reverse, basically to be able to anticipate it, to be able to proactively
00:05:08.700fight against it. In practical terms, what would that look like? Well, I think in practical terms
00:05:15.960right now, they're way out ahead, right? I mean, they've run far out ahead of the opposition. I think
00:05:23.480people are starting to catch up to the idea that this is actually systematic. It's coordinated. It's targeted.
00:05:30.460It's well thought out. And we need to do the same to protect democracy and to prevent the playbook from
00:05:36.660being successful in this particular case. I think that what learning the playbook in reverse looks
00:05:42.800like now is to really think ahead, right? To put yourself in the mindset of an authoritarian leader
00:05:50.060like Trump and to think ahead at what steps they want to take and where they want to go. And I think
00:05:55.580if you look at autocracies that have consolidated around the world, and people talk a lot about Hungary
00:06:00.900because a lot of the Trump lawyer team has studied Hungary quite intensively. If you look at what
00:06:06.320happens in the future, right, a few steps ahead, in every single one of these countries, the
00:06:12.080important point to remember is that, and none of them do leaders do all the things that Trump is
00:06:20.720doing, take aim at all of these independent institutions, and then just walk away and call
00:06:26.780a new election, right? They're doing this to stay in power permanently. And so in practical terms,
00:06:32.600what we need to be doing now is to think about what it would look like for Trump to try to stay in power
00:06:38.360permanently and to start to protect the democratic institutions that will prevent that from happening.
00:06:44.120This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:06:56.120I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
00:07:01.880I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:07:08.120And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:07:20.120Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:07:30.120It's Saturday, 29 March in the year of our Lord, 2025. We are live here from our Denver studios.
00:07:46.160I should say Denver adjacent studios down in Centennial, Colorado.
00:07:51.680The Real America's Voice headquarters, just absolutely amazing facility, amazing team here.
00:07:56.060I got to meet a lot of the folks today that we yell at every day, all in good spirit. They're absolutely fantastic.
00:08:02.060You saw right there, and we've been telling you that this confrontation, one of the primary lines of battle here is against these kind of neo-Marxist judges and the legal profession.
00:08:17.060The judiciary, this radical judiciary is the anvil. The deep state is the hammer, and that's what we're going to try to crush the MAGA movement and President Trump and President Trump's second term in doing.
00:08:28.860We have Julie Kelly here. I thought Rachel Maddow, from their perspective, gave a pretty good tour de horizon on everything that's going on.
00:08:36.360Folks, you understand, we're engaged in this legal fight across many, many, many fronts.
00:08:42.120Essentially, everything you love about Days of Thunder, everything you love about Flood the Zone, whether it's letting go of personnel, cutting costs, withholding money from certain areas, deportation of criminal elements, even the prosecution of the war's commander-in-chief.
00:08:58.560Of all those, if we go back to the unitary theory of the executive, chief executive officer of the U.S. government, commander-in-chief of the armed forces, chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer, go back.
00:09:09.880Always remember, the railhead of the theory here.
00:09:12.740They are, all the actions we're taking down every vertical is in a federal court and being hotly contested.
00:09:20.660And sometime now, as Julie Kelly's going to tell us, heading to the Supreme Court.
00:09:25.100In addition, Rachel Maddow is absolutely correct.
00:09:27.980The machinery of the legal profession that is tied up with these neo-Marxist judges, this radical people who think they're beyond the law, are being confronted head-on.
00:09:38.320Skadden Arps, I think probably the most revered white shoe law firm on Wall Street in New York City, now basically agreed with President Trump to $100 million of pro bono work after Paul Weiss, the powerhouse behind the scenes, already cratered.
00:09:54.120Yes, there are some of the more radical, particularly Perkins.
00:09:57.680Perkins always understand their partners are probably going to go to prison, so that's why they're fighting so hard.
00:10:04.580Julie, first off, give us the big picture.
00:10:06.320Rachel Maddow did a pretty good job there.
00:10:08.320We're fighting everywhere, and there's a new federal judge popping up all the time to try to slow down President Trump because their theory is to delay is to deny.
00:10:19.340Yeah, I'm not sure what Rachel Maddow thought she did in that segment except sort of make our point that these unelected, unaccountable, lifetime partisan political operatives on the bench are undermining, yes, our democracy,
00:10:35.760which Rachel Maddow has cried about now for the better part of four years, related to January 6th, and thwarting the will of the American people who elected Donald Trump to do precisely what he is accomplishing or attempting to in these executive orders.
00:10:51.920So who is trying to overturn the results of an election now?
00:10:56.380Rachel Maddow, the Democrats, and, of course, all of these judges.
00:11:00.740Now, the district court rulings have really prevailed over the past few months, but now they are headed towards appellate courts and a few matters before the Supreme Court, which we will get to.
00:11:12.080But there's been sort of a split outcome at the appellate court.
00:11:15.960I'm not following every single case, but I'm following most of them in Washington.
00:11:22.100And, for example, this week you had a three-judge panel, and that's, you know, see, that's how it normally goes.
00:11:28.520You go to a three-judge panel, they make a decision, and then whoever believes in party can ask the full court to consider the appeal.
00:11:37.740So earlier this week, in a 2-1 decision, the appellate court upheld Jeb Bospard's ban on the deportation of Venezuelan terrorists.
00:11:51.160I just want people to know, the front-line judges in the—first off, the front-line judges, 50-50 or maybe even 60-40, front-line judges are against Trump on the district level.
00:12:01.860But at the appellate level, particularly in D.C., the appellate level is essentially all Obama, Clinton, and Bush judges, right?
00:12:08.940So when you go to the appellate court, there's only a handful of judges, and they pick randomly a three-judge panel.
00:12:16.020Normally you're always outgunned at least two to one, and that's why some of these decisions we traditionally lose, two to one.
00:12:23.180Your choice then is to go en banc, is what it's called, to have a full—the entire appellate court.
00:12:28.640But even there, that takes additional time, and even there, you normally lose.
00:12:33.700What you're trying to do is just set up some legal precedents for something you're trying to do at the Supreme Court, correct?
00:12:39.560Yes, and usually those en banc requests are denied anyway, and they certainly would be in this case, I assume.
00:12:46.160To your point, the D.C. Circuit Court, so the district court is the lowest level, the circuit is the appellate court.
00:12:52.760Both of those courts have Obama appointees as the chief judge, Deb Bosberg as a district court, and three—I'm sorry, I don't want to say his last name—is the Obama judge who is the chief judge of the appellate court.
00:13:08.080So those requests, if the Trump administration is seeking them, will be denied.
00:13:12.940So they skipped that part with the aiming and enemies-asked temporary restraining order, filed a motion before the Supreme Court yesterday.
00:13:22.420This is the Trump DOJ asking the Supreme Court to consider an emergency motion to put a hold or stay on Bosberg's two temporary restraining orders.
00:14:02.140Which is the next move—I know this is complicated, but—which is the next move now that the ACLU is preparing a preliminary injunction motion.
00:14:11.240I don't know why bother, because he keeps prospered, continues to extend the TROs.
00:14:16.620At any rate, they've now—DOJ has now petitioned the Supreme Court to take up their emergency motion.
00:14:22.260And Chief Justice John Roberts has set a deadline for 10 o'clock Tuesday morning for a response by the ACLU, as this appeal process needed before was now at the highest court.
00:14:38.080I'm going to hold you through the break.
00:14:39.120Julie Kelly joins us on a Saturday morning here as the lawfare continues unabated.
00:14:44.160This is why there needs to be—the House needs to step in here and have some hearings with these judges answering questions like Judge Louie Gohmert said yesterday.
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00:16:15.920We've got Julie Kelly with us by phone.
00:16:17.860Julie, one thing for the audience to note is that unlike some of the other efforts in this mass lawfare against President Trump, Judge Roberts and the Supreme Court agreed to take this one on the emergency docket, ma'am?
00:16:32.880Well, they, for now, are asking for a response by Tuesday.
00:16:41.840Not sure if that indicates that they will take it up.
00:16:45.120I think this happened in another case and they picked it back.
00:16:48.160So, and to allow the actual appellate decision to continue.
00:16:54.560So this appeal just relates to the emergency stay or hold on temporary restraining orders.
00:17:00.740But they have to really appeal the entire matter.
00:17:04.720Whether court at all has the authority to rein in the president, clear presidential authority, executive authority, to invoke the Indian Enemies Act and deport suspected terrorists,
00:17:16.960which is what this proclamation did on March 15th.
00:17:20.880So there's sort of two different things happening.
00:17:24.020But look, we already saw Justice Roberts, who jumped to Jeb Osberg's defense immediately after the president and others called for his impeachment.
00:17:33.520If you don't call for impeachment over the disagreement of judicial decisions, that's not what this is.
00:17:39.060If you disagree with the judicial decision, this is brazen, flagrant politicking by Jeb Osberg,
00:17:45.640who already has a history of saying political things in court.
00:17:50.020I've already documented that, especially related to January 6th defendants.
00:17:55.460He calls January 6th an insurrection incited by Trump supporters.
00:17:59.320He attended President Trump's arraignment in Washington, D.C. on the J6 case.
00:18:04.200Obviously, we already know the ties of his family members, his wife and his daughter, apparently working for a nonprofit that directly defends illegal aliens, including suspected PDA illegals from Venezuela.
00:18:18.980So we'll see what the Supreme Court does.
00:18:22.760But in another appellate court decision, I can give a little bit of good news.
00:18:27.480The same panel that upheld Osberg's ban on deporting Venezuelan terrorists yesterday overturned two district court rulings, including one by Daryl Howell, saying that the fired members of two boards,
00:18:44.440the Merit System Protection Board and the National Labor Relations Board, Trump had fired a member of each one of those boards.
00:18:51.580That the fired members appealed, the district court upheld it, including Daryl Howell in the case of the fired National Labor Relations Board member.
00:19:02.800In a 2-1 decision yesterday by the same panel, by the way, they reversed those two lower court judges, Judge Howell,
00:19:10.500and saying, said, of course, firing board members, firing members of boards that are under the purview of the executive branch is presidential authority.
00:19:21.420It's not unconstitutional, as Daryl Howell said.
00:19:24.740It's not illegal, as Daryl Howell said.
00:19:33.800Remember, audience, one of the biggest things that we are contending is that the office of the president and the president of the United States,
00:19:42.400as chief executive officer under the unitary theory, the administrative state, particularly the alphabet agencies, report.
00:20:03.540Yesterday's ruling was quite important.
00:20:05.060It's the first time I've seen in a federal court that somebody's really set up the fact that the president can start to fire certain board members,
00:20:14.200at least, in the administrative state, ma'am.
00:20:18.120Now, of course, we did see the same appellate court reverse Amy Berman Jackson in her reinstatement of Hampton-Dellinger,
00:20:25.220the Biden-appointed head of the Office of Special Counsel.
00:20:28.560He sued the Trump administration after he was fired, claiming that he's a presidential appointee of Bill Bidens and had a five-year term.
00:20:36.420The DOJ, of course, came back to the administration and said, no, you're in a presidential position with power.
00:20:41.820Of course, he's handled federal workers' complaints and reinstated successfully 5,000 fired probationary employees from the USDA.
00:20:51.920But this appellate court came back and said what they said yesterday.
00:20:55.960These are presidential appointees, but they are still subject to the new and whoever is running the executive branch, which is the president.
00:21:06.220So, you know, as frustrating as this lawfare is, it's sort of useful to clarify, bring some clarity and finality to these debates,
00:21:18.420because we are creating case law now that gives the president a firm legal judicial foothold in explaining what he's trying to do in cleaning up the executive branch.
00:21:30.320So, I do see some upside to all of this.
00:21:33.560In narrative war, just remember what Rachel Maddow and the color revolutionists are doing,
00:21:40.080this is the two concepts of autocratic breakthrough and then autocratic consolidation.
00:21:45.260They're saying we're using this to have breakthrough and then we'll consolidate power afterwards,
00:21:49.780particularly getting the law firms to kowtow.
00:21:53.720Now, is it your belief that they've seen enough victories, because remember, to delay is to deny, okay?
00:24:56.640I actually strongly believe that Stefanik is not going to the U.N.
00:25:03.200It's not just about holding the seats.
00:25:05.300And we're going to have Florida 1 and Florida 6 on here in the second hour and hopefully even get maybe some Wisconsin.
00:25:13.600Stefanik's not there simply because they're concerned about that seat up in Saratoga, up in upstate New York.
00:25:20.100It's I think they need some stiffening of the spine and some focus over in the House.
00:25:25.360As Elise Stefanik brought into October and November in December of 2019, when we first started this show, we started this war room impeachment,
00:25:35.440specifically because nobody on the right, no media was really covering this.
00:25:41.220And I can tell you from our coverage at the time, it definitely changed in the House when Elise Stefanik stepped up to the sticks as a young woman
00:25:50.740We need the House of Representatives get involved here and then get involved in a couple of ways.
00:25:55.040Number one, about funding of these radical district courts and these radical federal judges.
00:26:00.200The other is like Judge Gohmert said, you can bring people in for questioning, for basically a public deposition.
00:26:07.380Doesn't mean you're going to impeach them, but you're going to discuss what's going on.
00:26:10.880So right now, kind of the break that we've got, Judge Roberts has asked for papers on Tuesday to decide whether it's going to be on the emergency docket of the Supreme Court or not.
00:26:20.980And this is the one that is about President Trump being commander in chief of getting these illegal alien terrorists, criminal terrorists out of the country.
00:26:29.240You would think the lowest, simplest bar in the deportations of 10 million illegal alien invaders.
00:27:51.120Hopefully, we track down the Jack Posovic down in Texas at the Natal Conference next in the war room.
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00:39:27.480If we have to cut off all the federal money to Denver and to the rest of Colorado, then so be it.
00:39:33.140If that's what we got to play, you got to play smash mouth with these guys.
00:39:36.020Yeah, you can't have a gold star mother.
00:39:38.440I mean, Tej, how do people, particularly the gunmen and the shooters, people on the front line in these two horrible wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,
00:39:47.800what do they think – when you mention gold star mother, what's the first thing that comes to mind to a warrior?
00:39:56.400We've got to protect them and cherish them and support them.
00:42:02.700And as Jack gave the keynote last night, it's about Western civilization and preserving, saving and preserving, nurturing, and promoting Western civilization.
00:42:11.140That's Jack right there at the podium last night.
00:42:13.120Don't think we've gotten the footage yet.
00:42:15.120Terry Schilling also trying to get Terry.
00:42:16.680Terry talks today, gives one of the keynotes today.
00:42:18.840So we're going to also try to get Terry Schilling on here.
00:42:22.140If we put up the Mac Daddy on Drudge last night, President Trump, huge development yesterday.
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00:44:54.980is we ought to make April 2nd the Trump holiday because it's the day, Liberation Day, that skills and jobs and work and factories all came back to the United States at the beginning of it.
00:45:09.940This is the most important day that President Trump will tell you he's been working on.
00:45:13.620The deportations are big and getting the criminals out.
00:45:32.740Politico's lead story, of course, over the weekend.
00:45:35.620There are people, you know, President Trump's advisor, some people there are sitting, all the business guys are calling, putting pressure on.
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00:49:26.400The full conference continues today down in Austin, Texas.
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