Bannon's War Room - Episode 4415： The Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Crisis, MTG Rally

00:00:00.000 the great Eric Bolling. Tonight, we're going to start with a cold open, but we're going to Georgia.

00:00:05.700 We're going to Georgia. We're going to talk to our own Brian Glenn is there about a, I don't know,

00:00:10.620 pretty wild town hall, maybe on the horizon at six o'clock. Let's get the cold open and get

00:00:15.220 rolling here in the war room. Let's give you the headlines of the news coming out of China.

00:00:20.140 There's a report that China has told its airlines to halt deliveries of new Boeing aircraft as well

00:00:26.580 as parts. Now, this is one report. It has not been confirmed by the state government, at least not

00:00:32.600 in a statement yet. Just for some context, China has taken delivery of 18 Boeing aircraft this year,

00:00:39.880 18 new aircraft. But the order backlog is immense out of China. And when you look at it, they've

00:00:45.900 got 128 named orders, hundreds more that are in the queue, but have not been named to specific

00:00:52.660 Chinese airlines. There's also a report with regard to tariffs that is going to catch a lot of

00:00:57.360 attention. Ryanair CEO, Michael O'Leary, a friend of the Squawk Box crew. He told the FT today that

00:01:03.160 there is every likelihood they may delay Boeing aircraft deliveries due to tariffs. And this is

00:01:09.040 what we've heard more chatter about within the last week, guys, that airlines are going to say,

00:01:13.400 wait a second, I got to pay a tariff on this aircraft. Maybe I don't need it right now. You hold

00:01:19.180 on to it. Now, this is just the comments of Michael O'Leary, but this has been percolating

00:01:24.320 under the surface a little bit within the airline industry that as this tariff war heats up,

00:01:29.880 the implications for Boeing, for Airbus, it could be, there could be large ripple effects.

00:01:36.300 Mobile, this administration is just saying, sorry, we just can't do anything about it.

00:01:41.560 Yeah. What does that say to you about where we're going to be?

00:01:44.420 Where we're going to be. This is where this segment and the segment you just completed

00:01:48.540 intersect. If you're going to move the United States, the United, with all of its institutions

00:01:53.460 toward a more authoritarian form of government, where the president ignores the courts, rules by

00:01:57.760 decree, you need to hold your party in Congress together because Congress becomes the way of

00:02:03.780 protecting you from what the courts can do, which is an issue summons is for contempt, civil or criminal.

00:02:08.760 If you want to hold your party in Congress together, you'd better deliver relative economic

00:02:12.800 success. So they're not all sweating that they're about to lose 40 seats in the next midterms

00:02:16.900 and face a defeat so big that even gerrymandering and friendly judges in places like North Carolina

00:02:22.520 and Wisconsin can't help them. But Donald Trump is not doing that. He's not holding up his end

00:02:27.820 of the bargain. In his first term, Trump mostly avoided doing anything too stupid with the economy 0.98

00:02:33.600 until the second half of 2018, when he started doing tariffs that were pretty small compared to 0.93

00:02:38.160 those he's just instituted. In this administration, he's begun wreaking havoc on the economy from the

00:02:43.440 beginning. We've had financial panic. So far, it's not showing up in the real economy, mostly

00:02:49.960 because people in business have warehoused large amounts of inventory. So we're not going to start

00:02:57.080 running under tube socks just yet. But by midsummer, the real economy is going to be failing it. You are

00:03:02.680 going to see layoffs. You're going to see rising unemployment and you're going to see Republicans in 0.63

00:03:06.440 Congress sweat. So Trump has not, as usual, thought this through. He's made a very ambitious bid for

00:03:12.320 executive power, ignoring the courts, while his economy is about to fall apart underneath.

00:03:19.240 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on

00:03:28.040 these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly

00:03:35.120 full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop

00:03:39.040 that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share

00:03:43.380 the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:51.560 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,

00:03:58.180 this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:04:08.700 It's Tuesday, 15 April, year of our Lord, 2025. President Trump and the losing of Congress. This is

00:04:15.120 their new, you know, they've done the financial panic. Nothing's happening there. They did the

00:04:22.700 signal chat. Nothing's there. Now they're in the constitutional crisis with the courts. We're

00:04:29.540 going to have Margo Cleveland on from the Federalist in a few minutes. I want to go to Brian Glenn

00:04:34.660 about losing Congress. Brian, where are you? I notice you're not at the White House

00:04:39.120 this afternoon. Where are you, sir? Not today. I am in Ackworth, Georgia. That is up in the 14th

00:04:46.920 district, congressional district here in Georgia. Let's try to reboot it. We've got Brian Glenn. Let's

00:04:52.280 try to get it rebooted. Do I have, oh, Brian, you got us now, sir? Yep. Do you hear me? Yeah. I've

00:05:00.480 got you loud and clear. Okay. You're coming through very choppy, Brian. You want to try that again?

00:05:06.060 Where are you this afternoon? You're not at the White House.

00:05:10.460 Ackworth, Georgia.

00:05:15.120 Brian, we're going to reboot you to make sure that we get to get it across better because it's

00:05:21.220 coming in too choppy. This is too important. Brian Glenn is down with MTG. They're going to

00:05:26.500 have a town hall. MTG is not backing off. You know, the RNC and other people are saying,

00:05:31.000 don't have town halls, don't have town halls. There's a big protest down there. MTG.

00:05:37.800 She's got a spine of steel. She's going to go into it tonight with her constituents and take 1.00

00:05:42.700 on all comers. So we're going to get back to Brian when we get a better hookup. We're also

00:05:48.220 going to have MTG live a little later in the show. Let's go to, we have Natalie Winters.

00:05:52.200 Let's go to Natalie. Natalie, you've got some breaking news out of the White House. Of course,

00:05:57.200 everybody skirts clean here about attacking President Trump. And, you know, we started,

00:06:02.180 we had the, or Eric Bolling had the big sob story coming out of Maryland. You know, Maryland man,

00:06:07.640 all the politicians are going to fly down to El Salvador to go to the prison, to bring the gang

00:06:13.460 member home that President Trump rightfully sent to a prison in Central America. You've got a

00:06:20.900 breaking story on some of your analysis on one of these judges. What do you got for us, ma'am,

00:06:26.020 of people trying to block President Trump? Well, may I just say, Steve, that I wish Republicans in

00:06:31.620 Congress would be the MAGA fire breathers that all of the MSNBC hosts talk them up to be. Maybe 1.00

00:06:37.580 they should use that as some inspiration. I think this country would be in a much better place.

00:06:40.920 The so-called authoritarian takeover that President Trump is trying to roll out

00:06:45.240 over a bunch of weak, spineless Republicans. I think it would be in a much better place. I would

00:06:49.680 just point you to the $37 trillion deficit. But all of that aside, although I guess it's maybe all

00:06:54.660 interlinked because I guess the best that Congress can do when it comes to holding these rogue judges

00:06:59.720 accountable is have some subcommittee level hearing that does absolutely nothing, though I think they

00:07:05.340 canceled it. We have another judge, the judge who's now responsible for blocking what would be the

00:07:10.620 removal of over 500,000 people here, CHNV parole program. This is a Boston district judge,

00:07:18.580 an Obama appointee, of course, Indira Tolwani. But what is, you can probably guess, so interesting

00:07:24.920 about her, she has volunteered on several Democratic campaigns. This is, of course, exclusive reporting

00:07:30.620 for you guys here in the war room, including but not limited to knocking doors, holding signs and

00:07:36.580 phone banking on behalf of people like President Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren. But even more

00:07:42.460 concerning, in 2012, she received an award from the Chinese Progressive Association. The audience may

00:07:49.420 be semi-familiar with this group because they've funded Black Lives Matter, but they've actually have

00:07:55.040 deep, deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party, particularly in their founding. They were founded by a group of

00:08:01.680 pro-Mao Marxist militants, and there's really been a through line. They continually praise not just the Chinese 0.96

00:08:07.960 Communist Party and in turn get glowing coverage from Chinese state-run media outlets, but their founders have

00:08:13.200 praised essentially the cultural revolution. And just to add yet another conflict of interest to this, like I said,

00:08:19.340 Judge, who is trying to advocate to keep hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in this country, her brother has 0.99

00:08:26.420 repeatedly been involved with and held events, headlined events with the ACLU out in Montana,

00:08:32.060 which you have to remember the ACLU is really the railhead of a lot of this, you know, pro-open borders

00:08:37.200 stuff, particularly when it comes to the lawfare against President Trump and even some of these

00:08:42.460 parole programs. So this is yet again the latest example of a radical rogue judge who is stepping in the

00:08:48.940 way, trying to stop President Trump from deporting, I was about to say criminal gang members, that's a whole other

00:08:55.960 vertical, but in this case, probably just criminals and maybe some gang members.

00:09:00.940 You know, I can tell from the, there was a smattering, the same type of kind of hapless protest

00:09:05.920 there were at, in, when I spoke out in Colorado, you know, you have these Democrat socialists and some

00:09:13.940 of these other people, it's, it's the First Amendment, right? That's fine. It's a little bit pathetic.

00:09:17.900 Uh, if that's all they can, uh, gin up. I have noticed though, a shift and this is not about, 0.96

00:09:25.620 um, the deportation of the, of the, uh, the criminal element, but already, and I don't think,

00:09:33.340 you know, I don't see, we're going gangbusters on deporting, on mass deportations of which

00:09:39.100 we're a strong advocate for here in the war room. But I noticed on the left, they're starting to pick

00:09:45.380 this up. There's tons of footage on the Rachel Maddow, uh, uh, all these protests are going 0.99

00:09:50.260 around. They're talking about, Oh, we're trying to get ahead of, we're here for mass deportations

00:09:54.240 specifically. What was it that the Trump administration was trying to do of these four

00:09:59.880 or 500,000, uh, people that the judge specifically blocked? What was the article two action that the

00:10:07.740 president took as chief executive officer, as commander in chief in the armed forces, as the chief

00:10:12.560 law enforcement officer, what was he trying to do that was blocked?

00:10:17.180 Well, I think that's sort of what the crux of this is, right? If Joe Biden was allowed to,

00:10:21.600 with the stroke of a pen, allow these people to grant humanitarian parole, become more or less 0.53

00:10:26.460 sort of de facto citizens, president Trump is not being gifted that same, right. And you don't even

00:10:32.140 have to go full-blown unitary executive theory. I think to believe that you should have, shall we say,

00:10:37.220 reciprocity and equality in terms of what presidents can do. But I think that you're very right that

00:10:42.460 this is the issue that the kind of left-wing shock troops have honed in on. But I do think that there

00:10:47.420 is a very interesting distinction because now you're hearing the term, right, concentration camp

00:10:52.860 come up a lot. They're starting to really go full-blown. It snowballs fully down the hill in terms of

00:10:58.240 smearing what they're doing in El Salvador as really brutally repressive and the, you know, UN Geneva

00:11:03.380 convention idea of whatever human rights may be. But remember what they did the first term,

00:11:08.440 they were much more focused and honed in on divesting from ICE, divesting from companies

00:11:13.820 that were working with ICE. They were really trying to use the sort of, you know, corporate

00:11:18.000 blackmail structures, right, sort of delinking, whether it was federal contracts or just opposing

00:11:24.260 these companies that were collaborating with what they viewed as sort of enablers of President Trump's

00:11:30.280 first term agenda in terms of the deportation or curtailing immigration numbers. And I think it's just

00:11:35.200 quite interesting that we really have yet to see that whole effort spring up. I'm not saying we

00:11:41.580 won't. I think inevitably we will. But it seems like right now they're sort of just assembling.

00:11:46.160 And I think that, you know, on the ground protests, or at least that's what all the, you know, dark money

00:11:50.260 is propping up. But I think the important thing, too, to stress, and I think, like you said, the deportation

00:11:56.240 numbers need to be higher. They need to be a lot higher at that, is that I think we also need to see

00:12:02.360 criminal prosecutions, if not just investigations, into the elites who rolled out the red carpet for

00:12:09.660 these people, right? It's not just retribution to go after the people from Mexico or Honduras or any

00:12:16.320 of the parole countries, right, Cuba, Haiti, whatever. You have to go after the NGOs, the politicians,

00:12:22.900 the Democrat operatives, even the foreign money who allowed these people, and not just allowed,

00:12:28.020 but flew them to the frickin' southern border to allow these people into the country. And I think 1.00

00:12:33.020 that is what is missing from the current kind of effort to go after this. Because make no mistake,

00:12:39.160 if you don't go after those people, they will come back with a vengeance, right, whenever they regain

00:12:45.020 power. And they will, if they will flood this country, 10 million will look like child's play. 0.92

00:12:50.520 They'll do 10 million a year. So I don't understand why we have not seen investigations,

00:12:55.260 or at least like you say, just one name, one name of stuff from somebody who has committed

00:13:01.440 the worst acts, not just criminality, but outright treason on the southern border. And I think that

00:13:07.840 focusing on that, I would like to see those protesters try to cover for those people. I think

00:13:14.020 that you can have a more sympathetic appeal when you're talking about, you know, some Maryland man,

00:13:18.820 which we know is not a Maryland man, but going after these NGOs, I think is the right thing to do.

00:13:24.220 And I don't know why they haven't done it.

00:13:27.440 Natalie, I'm going to ask you to hang on. We're going to come back. We're going to go to Margo

00:13:30.900 Cleveland's here, tell me the constitutional crisis. I'm going to bring you back after that.

00:13:35.300 I want to drill down on this because I'm seeing this theme across many areas of the Justice Department,

00:13:40.940 FBI, people we support. But, you know, the mass deportations have not started. And I think people

00:13:48.460 are starting to ask questions, this whole thing about the NGOs. And we see how powerful this is.

00:13:52.640 The other day, the Catholic bishops who have been doing this for over 50 years announced

00:13:57.860 they were dropping the whole program. Why? Because the federal government finally cut off

00:14:00.980 the money to the NGO, to Catholic charities. You have to go after these NGOs now. You have

00:14:07.880 to basically break this apart. You have to start investigations. The reason is you have to assume

00:14:14.880 for planning purposes and for sense of urgency, you're not going to be here forever.

00:14:19.300 We intend to be here forever, but you can't act like that. This is the FBI, the DOJ, DHS. I mean,

00:14:26.440 we've got to get on with it. And this issue about the NGOs, where we actually go, where we're

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00:17:03.340 angst go away. Okay. There's all this talk, RNC, and they're all on MSNBC and the New York Times and

00:17:10.280 CNN and BBC everywhere that the Republicans are afraid to have town halls. One person that is not

00:17:17.380 afraid is Marjorie Taylor Greene. One of the reasons she's such a prominent fixture in leaders in MAGA 0.80

00:17:24.160 and someone that the President of the United States listens to for advice and asks for guidance on

00:17:30.580 certain issues is because she's fearless. Brian Glenn, you're in Georgia today in her district.

00:17:37.380 What's going to happen at six o'clock, sir? Okay. I'm out in front of the Ackworth kind of a convention

00:17:44.160 center they have in this town. It's up in the 14th district in Georgia. It's on the, probably one of

00:17:50.220 the newest areas that have been redistricting. So this is kind of a newer MTG area, but starting at

00:17:56.500 six o'clock, she's going to hold a town hall. So it's only allowed, unlike some of the other town

00:18:02.380 halls you might've seen held by Republicans, they have not had proof that you actually live

00:18:08.240 in this district. So she's only letting people in, show your ID, prove that you live in this district.

00:18:13.400 You get to go inside. They expect about 300 to 350 people inside this area. Now there is some

00:18:21.980 protesters and I'll post up the video. They're just across the street with their little chants. And

00:18:27.180 we expected that. They expect over about 400, Steve, protesters that are organized to come out here

00:18:33.920 and make their voices be heard. And of course, Marjorie expects a few to sneak inside and perhaps

00:18:40.200 they want to make their voice be heard as well. But we've got probably dozens and dozens of local

00:18:46.380 state police here. We've got a drone flying ahead. I've seen bomb sniffing dogs around here. We even

00:18:52.200 got helicopters. So we've got air support, ground support, dog support to keep this area safe. But

00:18:58.140 there will be some protesters and I see them, but we'll see if they just stay outside. They don't get

00:19:03.060 inside the convention center here. Their first amendment rights. It's a sad group. I've seen

00:19:10.560 the last couple of speeches. It's quite sad, but hey, it's a first amendment, a free country. Let's

00:19:15.840 hear what you got to say. MTG can give as good as she gets. So I anticipate might be a little fireworks

00:19:22.500 at the, uh, at the, uh, at the town hall, but she's brave enough. That's what I think people love

00:19:27.940 her because she's brave enough to step into the arena, Brian Glenn. Yeah. She's not afraid to,

00:19:33.620 uh, confront them. And if they want to have a conversation at this town hall, she's more than

00:19:37.460 likely she wants to do that. But if they show disrespect or they start to shout and scream,

00:19:42.420 be disruptive, I can promise you they'll get a first class escort outside this building, uh,

00:19:47.980 and be sent right home. But she does encourage feedback and she is taking questions from the crowd.

00:19:52.840 They've got a system to do that, to make it orderly. Uh, you know, she's not afraid to, to do

00:19:57.760 that, but we've seen other Republicans get their town halls basically shut down. And I really think

00:20:04.800 Steve, because a lot of these Republicans don't have the support in their district so that when

00:20:09.360 disruptors, Democrats go to these town halls, they're able to take them over. I don't think

00:20:14.820 that's going to happen here tonight. Uh, we just, the doors opened a few minutes ago and I've seen

00:20:18.660 them. Yeah. Look, some of these other, the ones, MTG is in this fight and she's been in this fight

00:20:24.420 and she's a little bit of a street fighter. So she's, and she's quite savvy. This is not her 1.00

00:20:29.220 first rodeo. She's been in this and she's been, so she knows when you have to plan these things,

00:20:33.440 you want to hear from your constituents. She's what I love about her. She's not shying away from a

00:20:37.800 town hall. She's going to do it in an organized manner. So she gets feedback, not going to let it turn 1.00

00:20:41.960 into a circus. That's cause she's smart and she's tough. Uh, Brian, we'll come back to you. Maybe MTG,

00:20:47.680 hopefully before, if not, we'll see you back here at six o'clock to, uh, set the table for us.

00:20:53.480 Yes, sir. We'll do. Thank you, Brian Glenn. Brian Glenn normally draws, uh, White House duty. He's

00:21:01.320 at the town hall today, which I think will be pretty electric. Let's go. We got a cold open for our next

00:21:05.940 guest. Let's go ahead and play it. So he wants to send American citizens to foreign prisons where

00:21:12.160 U S legal protections don't apply at all, where people can be held for the rest of their lives

00:21:16.960 without ever having a day in court or any sort of process. He says attorney general,

00:21:22.940 Pam Bondi is quote, studying the laws right now to see if he really could do it. Cause he'd love to do

00:21:27.880 it. It was only last week on Thursday when the Supreme court ruled unanimously nine to zero in

00:21:34.380 favor of a man named Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He's a legal resident. Uh, he's a Maryland father. The

00:21:39.600 Trump administration admits they sent him to that prison in El Salvador by mistake.

00:21:44.280 The Supreme court effectively ordered the Trump administration to facilitate this man's return

00:21:51.260 to the U S from that El Salvador in prison without explicitly defining what that would look like.

00:21:56.520 The Trump administration has insisted that they can't return him and they don't intend to. They

00:22:01.000 said that the man's fate is up to the president of El Salvador for some reason today in the oval office.

00:22:06.940 It was a reporter who finally asked El Salvador's president, if he would please return this man to the

00:22:13.680 United States, the El Salvadoran president called the question quote preposterous. Of course he wouldn't.

00:22:22.620 So we have here a, a constitutional nightmare, a legal nightmare, obviously a moral nightmare.

00:22:29.820 Cheryl Eiffel is the former president of the NAACP legal defense fund. She has been sounding the alarm 0.97

00:22:34.840 about this. She has argued that Trump will start testing constitutional limits by trying to deport U S

00:22:41.740 citizens from American prisons to places like El Salvador and that Americans in order to stop that 0.99

00:22:49.420 slippery slope where it is must take on the challenge of caring about and standing up for U S

00:22:55.720 prisoners. Quote, many of us have been working on how to legally head off this nightmare, but public

00:23:01.860 outcry and support will be essential. Are you ready to march for the most despised members of our

00:23:07.140 society? Will you call your representatives about those who are imprisoned? If you can't feel for

00:23:13.060 them or their families, remember that this is just a stage in a plan that will land ultimately at our

00:23:18.160 own doorsteps. Every one of us deemed inconvenient by this administration will be under threat. And

00:23:24.060 every time Trump is successful, he grows more emboldened and more convinced that nothing can stop him.

00:23:29.520 The notion that the Republican Party is going to say a Supreme Court ruling, especially a unanimous one,

00:23:36.800 is optional, is both unsustainable and ludicrous on its face, even to the Trump voter.

00:23:43.300 I agree, but I think that you are going to see an increasing attack on the Supreme Court because of these

00:23:51.600 rulings. Absolutely. I mean, the issue is going to be sort of the conversation between us, the sort of

00:23:57.440 political reality of whether it drives poll numbers down and the populace says that's absurd.

00:24:03.700 But I think the Supreme Court is going to be in for the same kind of attack that we saw on the lower

00:24:09.440 courts that we see on the media, that we see on anyone who stands up to Donald Trump. I mean,

00:24:15.600 it's completely baseless, but you're going to see sort of Donald Trump looking over to Bibi Netanyahu,

00:24:21.360 who has had his own attacks on the Supreme Court in Israel, thinking, oh, that's what we should do.

00:24:26.620 We should narrow its jurisdiction. We should think about packing the court. We should talk about

00:24:32.580 impeaching judges, which he's already talked about. I mean, that's another way of undermining the rule

00:24:38.920 of law. But one of the ways is what we saw in the Oval Office was a, I mean, let's just get real

00:24:46.180 about what happened. That is a thumbing of the nose at the Supreme Court ruling to say you are ordered

00:24:52.520 to facilitate the return of somebody. And you know what was not addressed at all in the Oval Office

00:24:59.660 and has not been addressed in court, in the district court? Has the administration even asked

00:25:05.380 the president of El Salvador, who is in the Oval Office, to return him? The El Salvador president said,

00:25:13.160 you know what, I can't do this unilaterally. I can't smuggle him in. That is true. He's sitting

00:25:18.800 there saying, I can't unilaterally do this. You do not have this country even asking, how is that

00:25:25.380 in any way complying with a Supreme Court decision that says you have to facilitate his return? I mean,

00:25:32.580 it's as simple as that. That one question has not been asked.

00:25:37.640 OK, Margot Cleveland joins us from the Federalist. You wrote an article that you said that the Supreme

00:25:42.820 Court's weak and timid decisions are driving us to a constitutional crisis. You saw it right there.

00:25:48.760 Weissman's essentially accusing not just the show, but yourself of being one of the,

00:25:54.120 we're being some of the instigators in back of President Trump. Your comments and observations, ma'am.

00:26:01.560 There were so many things in those clips that were blatantly, factually false that I can't remember

00:26:08.400 him all. He wasn't, Garcia was not a legal resident. The Supreme Court did not order him to be returned

00:26:15.900 to the United States. They did not order him to facilitate the return of Garcia. They ordered him, 0.94

00:26:23.900 excuse me, they also did not rule against Trump. They actually ruled for Trump by saying, look,

00:26:31.960 that order that said you had to facilitate and basically obtain his return or his was beyond

00:26:41.520 the authority. And we are going to cut out that time frame and we're going to send it back for

00:26:47.440 clarity. The only thing the court did is it said, we want you judge to clarify your directive.

00:26:57.300 And the judge hasn't clarified her directive. The court also did not say you have to facilitate

00:27:06.280 the return. The court said it was appropriate to order Trump to facilitate the release from prison.

00:27:16.540 The entire order of the Supreme Court was cagey. It was giving half directives,

00:27:26.280 half recommendations, half recommendations, so much so that you have all of those people on the left,

00:27:32.540 going on air, saying blatantly false things about what the court ordered.

00:27:38.940 Margo, hang over for one second. Hang over one second. It's perfect. We're going to take a short

00:27:42.480 commercial break. Margo, Cleveland from the Federalist lays it out. So shocking that the

00:27:49.540 left-wing media would actually lie about facts. However, her point and her deeper point is that

00:27:56.200 the decisions and opinions of the Supreme Court are leading us to a constitutional crisis.

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00:29:40.300 ...of President Bukele, and I look forward to meeting with him. I've requested to meet with

00:29:45.780 him. I reached out to the ambassador here to ask to meet while he's here. But I've also made clear,

00:29:50.520 if we can't meet here, I do intend to go to El Salvador to discuss the release of this individual

00:29:56.520 who is illegally detained. A Maryland man who's the father of three in a notorious prison in El

00:30:04.460 Salvador. And I believe the president of El Salvador will recognize why it's important to allow him to

00:30:12.560 return to the United States of America. Because it is absolutely unjust and illegal to have this

00:30:20.860 Marylander detained one more day in a notorious prison in El Salvador. Of course, President Trump

00:30:29.240 could have just said, you know, bring him home. Of course, he could have done that. But this is an

00:30:35.040 administration that has lied about, Mr. Abrego Garcia, right? The vice president of the United States

00:30:40.500 tweeted out that he had a criminal record. That was a lie. They're just lying. They've gotten caught

00:30:45.980 lying. They don't want to admit it. And they have an obligation to bring him home. But I will say the

00:30:52.740 president of El Salvador should not now take it upon himself to say that he is detaining him for one

00:30:59.320 more day. Because that is kidnapping. I understand that the attorney general said that we would provide

00:31:05.560 a plane to bring him home. So all the president of El Salvador has to do now is hand over and release

00:31:12.060 an innocent man and let him come home to his family.

00:31:17.040 Okay, Margo, Cleveland joins us. She wrote this amazing piece at the Federalist, how we're hurtling

00:31:22.720 towards a constitutional crisis. But it's because, let's be blunt, the wimpy nature of the opinions of

00:31:29.120 the Supreme Court in their action. So Margo, there, it's not a member of the media. It's not Weissman

00:31:35.340 or Rachel Maddow. That's a United States senator from the state of Maryland. What do you have to say

00:31:40.260 to him, ma'am?

00:31:42.120 So what he's actually talking about is something he could do that Trump could do. But the difference is

00:31:48.740 we have a judge, a district judge, saying, you must do this. And that's where the constitutional

00:31:56.540 crisis is. Yeah, Trump very well could say to the president of El Salvador, look,

00:32:02.620 let him, you know, release him. We'll bring him back and we will then deport him to a third country,

00:32:08.060 which is exactly what should happen from a political, a practical standpoint. But once a federal

00:32:16.760 judge got involved and ordered Trump to facilitate the release from prison, which involves ordering the

00:32:26.220 president to engage in that conversation with a foreign official, that's where Trump had to put

00:32:32.200 his foot down. So I actually don't disagree with everything that that politician said. I agreed that

00:32:39.780 the president of El Salvador could do that, that we would fly him back. But he was not an innocent

00:32:46.720 individual. He did commit a crime illegally entering the United States. He maybe wasn't convicted of it,

00:32:54.040 but he was not a legal resident. And he will be removed once that happens. But the constitutional

00:33:01.760 crisis is, again, the courts telling the president of the United States, you have to ask. Maybe you

00:33:08.940 have to ask pretty please. Sugar on top. Maybe just do this for me. That is none of the court's business.

00:33:16.620 And Trump should be putting his foot down on this.

00:33:19.260 So talk to me about this. You make an argument in this article on Grace and Mo. Let's make sure we

00:33:26.160 get it up into the chat rooms. If Carly Bonet would also put it out, we'd appreciate that.

00:33:31.360 And Elizabeth, I want as many people to read this as possible. It comes strongly recommended by Mike

00:33:37.040 Davis, the vice-worry. Margo, you make a deeper case here. You're saying we actually are hurtling to

00:33:43.760 a constitutional crisis because the court is what? They're not making strong opinions. They're making

00:33:50.320 the wrong opinions. They're being too wimpy. I mean, what are you recommending they do?

00:33:55.640 That they say what the Constitution says, which is Article 2 is within President's Trump authority.

00:34:03.340 Instead of sending this case back and telling the judge, you need to clarify your directive giving

00:34:10.000 due respect to the president and his foreign affairs. They should have sent it back and said,

00:34:16.360 no, you cannot order the president to engage in any type of diplomatic relations with El Salvador,

00:34:25.480 period. Instead, the way they sent it back, I think I read it 10 times and it took me 10 times to figure

00:34:33.000 out what they actually said and didn't say. But you know what the district judge said?

00:34:36.940 The district judge said, the Supreme Court affirmed my decision. It did not affirm her decision.

00:34:43.960 They are being mealy-mouthed. They are not saying what the Constitution says. And they're saying,

00:34:49.560 clarify what you mean. The Supreme Court is acting like Article 2 and Article 3 respect each other.

00:34:57.580 And they don't. And they don't because Article 2, the president has been making presidential

00:35:04.980 decisions within his authority. And you have judges who have been appointed by Obama and Biden who

00:35:13.540 are going way beyond their authority. And every single case that has made it to the Supreme Court in

00:35:21.260 two and a half months, the Supreme Court has put the brakes on the lower court. They haven't outrightly

00:35:28.140 said we're reversing. But they have done something that gave Trump a win. And the problem is, that is

00:35:35.980 only allowing these lower courts to think they can still continue this and get away with this. 0.97

00:35:41.720 And we're going to see that in this case. The judge is going to order the Trump administration to do

00:35:46.680 certain things and to disclose certain information. She had a hearing today. And from people who were there,

00:35:53.580 the conversation was, we're going to depose you. And we're going to find out what you asked the El 0.64

00:35:59.520 Salvadoran president. That's none of her business. That is not the court's business. It's not Article 0.93

00:36:05.960 3's business. Trump is going to have to refuse to answer that and go through the appellate process.

00:36:11.920 She's on the cusp of ordering him to show cause why he should not be in contempt. Why? Because the

00:36:18.080 Supreme Court of the United States refused to say, no, you can't do this. Instead, they said, well,

00:36:26.560 it was a little bit unclear and you really should be cautious. That doesn't work anymore. These judges

00:36:33.160 are activist judges and they are going to go way beyond their authority. And they're going to push

00:36:39.180 us to the part where you have Article 2 having to say, no, I am not going to ask them to release this

00:36:46.680 prisoner, period. You can't tell me to, and I'm not going to. And that is going to have to get up to

00:36:53.220 the Supreme Court. And if they don't come down and say, point blank, you can't do that, that's going

00:36:59.300 to be our constitutional crisis. Because they think it's prudent to let it play out. It isn't. It is not

00:37:05.920 prudent. It is making half of America disrespect the court and the other half disrespect the president

00:37:12.260 because they don't understand the separations of power.

00:37:16.740 Well, maybe they do understand. I mean, the left is cheering this on. Would I be out of line and

00:37:21.960 saying, because you see it every night, I mean, MSNBC spends at least 50% of their primetime hours

00:37:28.660 on lawsuits, you know, in front of federal judges who are giving TROs or injunctions for the whole

00:37:35.000 nation and the rest about these issues that are going to the Supreme Court. I mean, they're egging this

00:37:40.680 on. Like you said at the beginning of your segment, all the facts that they repeat like a mantra over

00:37:46.960 and over and over again about this case absolutely happen to be dead wrong. They know what they're

00:37:52.200 doing. This is information warfare. Do you think conservative media is doing a good, War Room

00:37:57.060 included, is doing a good enough job of covering these? Well, you know, frankly, it's hard because

00:38:03.560 there are so many of these cases. There's over 100 cases. And on my Twitter account, I try to keep a

00:38:09.720 constant update of what the cases are and what's happening in them. But it is impossible to track

00:38:15.480 that many cases. And it's legal stuff. And because I am a lawyer, I am able to quickly read and process

00:38:24.420 them and catch kind of these key distinctions in the cases. So like I said, all of those Supreme Court

00:38:30.660 cases, they actually were ruling for Trump. They were just doing it in kind of backhanded, tricky ways

00:38:37.740 so that they didn't have to say Trump wins. You guys are doing it the wrong way. So I don't know

00:38:44.440 that there's a possibility of even doing it right because there's too much. It's too detailed. It's

00:38:51.380 too complex. And the best we can do is when there's a clear case like this is to push back and say,

00:38:59.000 no, you're lying about what's going on in Garcia. If you just pull up the Supreme Court order,

00:39:04.280 what Andrew Weissman said was that they ordered him to be facilitated to return to the U.S.

00:39:11.940 It's not in there. It's nowhere in there. The only thing it says is the order was right about

00:39:17.200 facilitating his release from prison. But even that was based on the presumption that Garcia is being

00:39:25.680 held because we're paying for it. And we asked them to hold him. And I think that's absolutely wrong.

00:39:31.900 Garcia is El Salvadorian. Why would we pay for El Salvador to hold their own prisoners? 0.75

00:39:39.260 The reason we were paying El Salvador was because of all of the Venezuelan gang members that we 1.00

00:39:46.440 couldn't ship back to Venezuela. So I think even the Supreme Court was based on the record that made

00:39:53.520 it look like we had something to do with him being in that prison. And I don't think that's the case.

00:39:59.800 So I guess that was a long way to get to. It's too complex for everyone to push back on. We've got to

00:40:07.620 find the cases where it's clear that we can point out that this is blatantly false and that we can show

00:40:14.500 it in black and white. So they actually listen as opposed to this is a conspiracy theory. This is a

00:40:20.520 mega person. We'll just ignore it.

00:40:22.280 Margo, you talk about it's the wimpy or timid, I think you call it, responsible for the Supreme 0.94

00:40:30.380 Court. Do you anticipate Roberts, the Roberts court, particularly how Roberts has run this

00:40:36.120 thing and now he's got ACB as a wingman? Do you anticipate that's going to get any less timid?

00:40:41.380 I keep thinking it's going to. I thought it was going to after they did the first punt,

00:40:48.940 which was involving a gentleman named Dellinger. But then they did the same thing the second time

00:40:55.280 and the third time. I don't think so. I don't think you're going to change Roberts and Barrett

00:41:01.600 from being the prudential hands-off justices, which frankly, I think is a good approach in most cases.

00:41:10.680 But in this case, it's not because it is giving the lower court judges carte blanche to do anything.

00:41:17.700 So I don't think you're going to find them moving away from their timidity. But when forced,

00:41:25.320 I do think that they're going to order and rule the right way, which we did see in every single case

00:41:33.520 that has come up there, that they actually stopped what the lower court was doing that was beyond its

00:41:40.460 authority. So I wish I could be more hopeful. But the best I can say is they're going to rule in the right

00:41:47.700 way when they finally have no option.

00:41:52.720 Margo, how can people get onto your Twitter feed and follow you throughout the day?

00:41:57.200 Because what we need is a constant news service to update on all these myriad of cases,

00:42:02.040 because all of these are important in their own way. Where do people go, ma'am,

00:42:05.020 for your social media and your writings?

00:42:07.460 Yes. So I am writing at The Federalist and on social media, I am on X at Prof MJ Cleveland.

00:42:16.380 And at the very top, I have pinned all of the Supreme Court dockets.

00:42:21.200 And I usually throughout the day, if anything substantial breaks, I constantly am getting

00:42:27.140 updates from the different cases. I probably have 20 of them in my email, just while I've been

00:42:32.660 chatting with you. And I post not just my thoughts on it, but the original documents so that you can

00:42:39.780 see that I am telling you it the way it is.

00:42:44.640 Margo, fantastic and great service to the country. Really appreciate you and look forward to having you

00:42:49.500 back, ma'am. Thanks so much for your time.

00:42:53.380 Margo, Cleveland over at The Federalist. This, as we told you, the courts are the tip of the spear.

00:42:59.540 You know, Natalie's done a great job of how they're trying to do the color revolution

00:43:02.580 and how they're playing up every protest. You're about to see one. When MTG goes to do her town

00:43:09.580 hall, they're going to have protesters outside. They had protesters outside last night

00:43:13.260 in Greenville. It was kind of sad, right? But they still had them. We're going to take a

00:43:19.200 short commercial break. Natalie's still with us. The great Brian Glenn is around. We're going to go

00:43:25.620 live to MTG's Town Hall in Georgia. Also, hopefully we've got plenty of time to do this. We're going

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00:44:58.080 Okay, so much activity in capital markets. And as we get down, we're going to get into big time

00:45:03.840 on the big, beautiful bill, cuts. We had Russ vote on today. I want to thank Russ. He's getting ready

00:45:11.100 to do a rescission. It's under $10 billion, it looks like, but it's got PBS, NPR, some of the USAID. So

00:45:18.940 it's not as big as we hope, but it's a start.

00:45:23.860 Capital markets are going to bounce around. One of the big weapons of the Chinese Communist Party. 0.99

00:45:28.660 And big breaking news as we came on the air right here is, guess what? NVIDIA was just announced

00:45:39.920 that NVIDIA cannot sell. I got this right. NVIDIA is not able to sell. Breaking news. NVIDIA says the

00:45:46.180 U.S. government has banned them from selling the H20 chips to China for the indefinite future.

00:45:53.380 Stock is down over 5% of the news. I'm not saying this is the equivalent

00:45:58.380 of cutting the Japanese off from oil in July and August of 1941. But let's say it's directionally

00:46:10.140 the same. This is hardball. We told you we've been arguing for Smash Mouth. I think we just got

00:46:14.620 some from the U.S. government. Natalie Winters, I want to talk to you about what Margo Cleveland said.

00:46:19.020 And also, you've been following these NGOs, why we're not on the attack. But first,

00:46:23.940 since you've done such great work on the Chinese Communist Party, this is the Trump

00:46:27.500 administration thrown a punch, is it not, ma'am? Absolutely. Like I always say, the only president

00:46:34.660 who, at least in my lifetime, has actually taken on the Chinese Communist Party with, I think, a level

00:46:39.480 of clinical detail that the media always misses, either intentionally or because it goes over their

00:46:45.020 head. President Trump understands the United Front Work Department, the political warfare, what

00:46:50.700 really undergirds what they have done to this country, which is the axiom of infiltration, 0.64

00:46:54.860 as opposed to invasion, the idea that you see codified all over people's Liberation Army texts,

00:47:00.620 being that the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. And I think what we've

00:47:05.940 learned from these tariffs, from even moves like this coming against Nvidia, is that we were sort of

00:47:10.880 living on borrowed time, right? We were living in this suspended reality whereby we thought we were

00:47:16.260 okay, we were sufficient from the Chinese Communist Party. Meanwhile, they were waging economic warfare,

00:47:21.420 information warfare, lawfare. And in some cases, I think the spy balloon is kinetic warfare. And I

00:47:26.960 think what was going on at the southern border was kinetic warfare, too. But what we have is a

00:47:31.820 president who actually understands the gravity and these sort of fifth dimension warfare tactics that

00:47:37.640 the Chinese Communist Party is using against us. And that this happy talk of, oh, well, what would 0.92

00:47:43.100 war with China look like? And oh, the Thucydides trap and oh, Trump's trade war. That ship sailed. We are at war

00:47:49.100 with China. And it's nice to have a president who finally understands that.

00:47:53.700 You then agree with the thesis, the unrestricted warfare that they've been

00:47:58.540 under, you know, attacking us for decades. And now the people's war that they called in 2019.

00:48:05.360 In your observations and analysis, there's no doubt we're engaged in something far deeper

00:48:11.580 than just tariff and trade, ma'am?

00:48:14.000 Oh, absolutely not. I mean, I think their goal is not necessarily to have the White House,

00:48:19.720 you know, fly the Chinese flag. They just want everyone who works in there to have graduated 0.97

00:48:24.540 from a higher education institution that's bankrolled by the Chinese Communist Party, have

00:48:29.220 worked for political candidates who were, you know, working with fundraisers tied to the Chinese

00:48:33.740 Communist Party like we just found out today. And Boston have people and their families reliant on

00:48:38.420 pharmaceutical drugs that are manufactured in China, have distorted propaganda news outlets that

00:48:43.720 are essentially carrying water, if not, in some cases, just directly running ads for the Chinese

00:48:48.860 Communist Party. And what I think really is the core of it, this idea that, you know, China is an

00:48:53.880 economic miracle. That was sort of the first, I think, from 2000 to like 2010, 2015, before Trump

00:49:00.920 entered the stage, they were very content with just reframing the narrative about China's so-called rise

00:49:06.800 that it was, you know, beneficial, a boon to the United States of America. But, you know, I think

00:49:11.800 in recent years, you've seen them sort of weaponize and escalate their propaganda efforts here in the

00:49:16.920 United States to blow past just how the United States and Americans conceive of China. But more

00:49:23.340 importantly, they want to really shape and I think almost pervert the way that the United States,

00:49:29.720 that our citizens, our fellow citizens, look at this country. And I think that's why you see them

00:49:34.280 kind of pop up, whether it's funding like we were talking about earlier, a lot of these BLM

00:49:38.440 movements, these far left progressive movements, they always have a hand in these culturally

00:49:43.160 destructive and subversive forces because they're playing to win. They're playing for keeps. They

00:49:49.900 don't like the idea of a bipolar world order. They are keen on a unipolar world order, a unipolar

00:49:56.320 world order whereby the United States is not on top. And you see it. I didn't see any media outlets

00:50:02.140 melting down about what they were doing with the Belt and Road Initiative. But all of a sudden,

00:50:06.080 you know, President Trump says, oh, well, maybe we're going to take the Panama Canal and they're

00:50:10.060 apoplectic and they're melting down. And by the way, for all these people who are melting down over

00:50:13.720 what's going on in the El Salvadorian prison, I suggest you take a trip to Xinjiang and see what

00:50:18.480 China's done with the Uyghurs. You probably won't be too happy. And just one point on that, Steve, 1.00

00:50:23.180 too, after Margo's interview, I think it's important to underscore the reason why we have to ship these

00:50:29.760 people overseas is because the Biden regime systematically underdeveloped and in some

00:50:37.300 cases shut down domestic detention center facilities. And for four years, but especially

00:50:43.320 after President Trump won, these left-wing lobbying groups and activists who are funded probably by the

00:50:49.020 Chinese Communist Party, but certainly Open Society Foundations, a sort of left-wing apparatus,

00:50:53.200 they were lobbying to Trump-proof this country, the mass deportation agenda. Remember,

00:50:59.060 how many shows did we do on that? That was the railhead of their ability to Trump-proof

00:51:04.360 the government. They wanted to nullify and neuter his mass deportation agenda. So they essentially

00:51:10.660 set this trap, right, the constitutionality of the foreign deportations. And I think my message

00:51:16.560 would just be very clear. If they don't get the deportations right, you turn this country into El 0.97

00:51:21.920 Salvador. And if you don't get the lawfare counter-programming correct, going after these law

00:51:27.400 firms, going after the deep state, me, you, and a lot of people who watch this show, and a lot of

00:51:32.860 administration officials, and probably President Trump, are going to end up in an El Salvadorian

00:51:37.740 prison.

00:51:38.060 Amen. Amen. I tell you what, we're going to hold Mike Lindell through the break. We're going to take

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Bannon's War Room - April 15, 2025

Episode 4415： The Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Crisis, MTG Rally

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