Episode 4415： The Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Crisis, MTG Rally
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In this week's episode, we cover the latest in the trade war between the United States and China, the impact of tariffs on Boeing and Airbus, and what it means for the rest of the economy. We also hear from Brian Glenn and Stephen K. Kavcic about the upcoming town hall-style town hall debate between President Trump and Georgia Gov. Brian Putney. We wrap up the show with a special guest, Eric Bolling.
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the great Eric Bolling. Tonight, we're going to start with a cold open, but we're going to Georgia.
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We're going to Georgia. We're going to talk to our own Brian Glenn is there about a, I don't know,
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pretty wild town hall, maybe on the horizon at six o'clock. Let's get the cold open and get
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rolling here in the war room. Let's give you the headlines of the news coming out of China.
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There's a report that China has told its airlines to halt deliveries of new Boeing aircraft as well
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as parts. Now, this is one report. It has not been confirmed by the state government, at least not
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in a statement yet. Just for some context, China has taken delivery of 18 Boeing aircraft this year,
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18 new aircraft. But the order backlog is immense out of China. And when you look at it, they've
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got 128 named orders, hundreds more that are in the queue, but have not been named to specific
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Chinese airlines. There's also a report with regard to tariffs that is going to catch a lot of
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attention. Ryanair CEO, Michael O'Leary, a friend of the Squawk Box crew. He told the FT today that
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there is every likelihood they may delay Boeing aircraft deliveries due to tariffs. And this is
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what we've heard more chatter about within the last week, guys, that airlines are going to say,
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wait a second, I got to pay a tariff on this aircraft. Maybe I don't need it right now. You hold
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on to it. Now, this is just the comments of Michael O'Leary, but this has been percolating
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under the surface a little bit within the airline industry that as this tariff war heats up,
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the implications for Boeing, for Airbus, it could be, there could be large ripple effects.
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Mobile, this administration is just saying, sorry, we just can't do anything about it.
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Yeah. What does that say to you about where we're going to be?
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Where we're going to be. This is where this segment and the segment you just completed
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intersect. If you're going to move the United States, the United, with all of its institutions
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toward a more authoritarian form of government, where the president ignores the courts, rules by
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decree, you need to hold your party in Congress together because Congress becomes the way of
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protecting you from what the courts can do, which is an issue summons is for contempt, civil or criminal.
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If you want to hold your party in Congress together, you'd better deliver relative economic
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success. So they're not all sweating that they're about to lose 40 seats in the next midterms
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and face a defeat so big that even gerrymandering and friendly judges in places like North Carolina
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and Wisconsin can't help them. But Donald Trump is not doing that. He's not holding up his end
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of the bargain. In his first term, Trump mostly avoided doing anything too stupid with the economy
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until the second half of 2018, when he started doing tariffs that were pretty small compared to
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those he's just instituted. In this administration, he's begun wreaking havoc on the economy from the
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beginning. We've had financial panic. So far, it's not showing up in the real economy, mostly
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because people in business have warehoused large amounts of inventory. So we're not going to start
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running under tube socks just yet. But by midsummer, the real economy is going to be failing it. You are
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going to see layoffs. You're going to see rising unemployment and you're going to see Republicans in
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Congress sweat. So Trump has not, as usual, thought this through. He's made a very ambitious bid for
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executive power, ignoring the courts, while his economy is about to fall apart underneath.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly
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full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop
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that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share
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the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
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It's Tuesday, 15 April, year of our Lord, 2025. President Trump and the losing of Congress. This is
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their new, you know, they've done the financial panic. Nothing's happening there. They did the
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signal chat. Nothing's there. Now they're in the constitutional crisis with the courts. We're
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going to have Margo Cleveland on from the Federalist in a few minutes. I want to go to Brian Glenn
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about losing Congress. Brian, where are you? I notice you're not at the White House
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this afternoon. Where are you, sir? Not today. I am in Ackworth, Georgia. That is up in the 14th
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district, congressional district here in Georgia. Let's try to reboot it. We've got Brian Glenn. Let's
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try to get it rebooted. Do I have, oh, Brian, you got us now, sir? Yep. Do you hear me? Yeah. I've
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got you loud and clear. Okay. You're coming through very choppy, Brian. You want to try that again?
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Where are you this afternoon? You're not at the White House.
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Brian, we're going to reboot you to make sure that we get to get it across better because it's
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coming in too choppy. This is too important. Brian Glenn is down with MTG. They're going to
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have a town hall. MTG is not backing off. You know, the RNC and other people are saying,
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don't have town halls, don't have town halls. There's a big protest down there. MTG.
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She's got a spine of steel. She's going to go into it tonight with her constituents and take
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on all comers. So we're going to get back to Brian when we get a better hookup. We're also
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going to have MTG live a little later in the show. Let's go to, we have Natalie Winters.
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Let's go to Natalie. Natalie, you've got some breaking news out of the White House. Of course,
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everybody skirts clean here about attacking President Trump. And, you know, we started,
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we had the, or Eric Bolling had the big sob story coming out of Maryland. You know, Maryland man,
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all the politicians are going to fly down to El Salvador to go to the prison, to bring the gang
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member home that President Trump rightfully sent to a prison in Central America. You've got a
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breaking story on some of your analysis on one of these judges. What do you got for us, ma'am,
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of people trying to block President Trump? Well, may I just say, Steve, that I wish Republicans in
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Congress would be the MAGA fire breathers that all of the MSNBC hosts talk them up to be. Maybe
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they should use that as some inspiration. I think this country would be in a much better place.
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The so-called authoritarian takeover that President Trump is trying to roll out
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over a bunch of weak, spineless Republicans. I think it would be in a much better place. I would
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just point you to the $37 trillion deficit. But all of that aside, although I guess it's maybe all
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interlinked because I guess the best that Congress can do when it comes to holding these rogue judges
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accountable is have some subcommittee level hearing that does absolutely nothing, though I think they
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canceled it. We have another judge, the judge who's now responsible for blocking what would be the
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removal of over 500,000 people here, CHNV parole program. This is a Boston district judge,
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an Obama appointee, of course, Indira Tolwani. But what is, you can probably guess, so interesting
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about her, she has volunteered on several Democratic campaigns. This is, of course, exclusive reporting
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for you guys here in the war room, including but not limited to knocking doors, holding signs and
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phone banking on behalf of people like President Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren. But even more
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concerning, in 2012, she received an award from the Chinese Progressive Association. The audience may
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be semi-familiar with this group because they've funded Black Lives Matter, but they've actually have
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deep, deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party, particularly in their founding. They were founded by a group of
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pro-Mao Marxist militants, and there's really been a through line. They continually praise not just the Chinese
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Communist Party and in turn get glowing coverage from Chinese state-run media outlets, but their founders have
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praised essentially the cultural revolution. And just to add yet another conflict of interest to this, like I said,
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Judge, who is trying to advocate to keep hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens in this country, her brother has
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repeatedly been involved with and held events, headlined events with the ACLU out in Montana,
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which you have to remember the ACLU is really the railhead of a lot of this, you know, pro-open borders
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stuff, particularly when it comes to the lawfare against President Trump and even some of these
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parole programs. So this is yet again the latest example of a radical rogue judge who is stepping in the
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way, trying to stop President Trump from deporting, I was about to say criminal gang members, that's a whole other
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vertical, but in this case, probably just criminals and maybe some gang members.
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You know, I can tell from the, there was a smattering, the same type of kind of hapless protest
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there were at, in, when I spoke out in Colorado, you know, you have these Democrat socialists and some
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of these other people, it's, it's the First Amendment, right? That's fine. It's a little bit pathetic.
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Uh, if that's all they can, uh, gin up. I have noticed though, a shift and this is not about,
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um, the deportation of the, of the, uh, the criminal element, but already, and I don't think,
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you know, I don't see, we're going gangbusters on deporting, on mass deportations of which
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we're a strong advocate for here in the war room. But I noticed on the left, they're starting to pick
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this up. There's tons of footage on the Rachel Maddow, uh, uh, all these protests are going
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around. They're talking about, Oh, we're trying to get ahead of, we're here for mass deportations
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specifically. What was it that the Trump administration was trying to do of these four
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or 500,000, uh, people that the judge specifically blocked? What was the article two action that the
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president took as chief executive officer, as commander in chief in the armed forces, as the chief
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law enforcement officer, what was he trying to do that was blocked?
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Well, I think that's sort of what the crux of this is, right? If Joe Biden was allowed to,
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with the stroke of a pen, allow these people to grant humanitarian parole, become more or less
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sort of de facto citizens, president Trump is not being gifted that same, right. And you don't even
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have to go full-blown unitary executive theory. I think to believe that you should have, shall we say,
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reciprocity and equality in terms of what presidents can do. But I think that you're very right that
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this is the issue that the kind of left-wing shock troops have honed in on. But I do think that there
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is a very interesting distinction because now you're hearing the term, right, concentration camp
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come up a lot. They're starting to really go full-blown. It snowballs fully down the hill in terms of
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smearing what they're doing in El Salvador as really brutally repressive and the, you know, UN Geneva
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convention idea of whatever human rights may be. But remember what they did the first term,
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they were much more focused and honed in on divesting from ICE, divesting from companies
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that were working with ICE. They were really trying to use the sort of, you know, corporate
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blackmail structures, right, sort of delinking, whether it was federal contracts or just opposing
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these companies that were collaborating with what they viewed as sort of enablers of President Trump's
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first term agenda in terms of the deportation or curtailing immigration numbers. And I think it's just
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quite interesting that we really have yet to see that whole effort spring up. I'm not saying we
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won't. I think inevitably we will. But it seems like right now they're sort of just assembling.
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And I think that, you know, on the ground protests, or at least that's what all the, you know, dark money
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is propping up. But I think the important thing, too, to stress, and I think, like you said, the deportation
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numbers need to be higher. They need to be a lot higher at that, is that I think we also need to see
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criminal prosecutions, if not just investigations, into the elites who rolled out the red carpet for
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these people, right? It's not just retribution to go after the people from Mexico or Honduras or any
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of the parole countries, right, Cuba, Haiti, whatever. You have to go after the NGOs, the politicians,
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the Democrat operatives, even the foreign money who allowed these people, and not just allowed,
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but flew them to the frickin' southern border to allow these people into the country. And I think
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that is what is missing from the current kind of effort to go after this. Because make no mistake,
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if you don't go after those people, they will come back with a vengeance, right, whenever they regain
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power. And they will, if they will flood this country, 10 million will look like child's play.
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They'll do 10 million a year. So I don't understand why we have not seen investigations,
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or at least like you say, just one name, one name of stuff from somebody who has committed
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the worst acts, not just criminality, but outright treason on the southern border. And I think that
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focusing on that, I would like to see those protesters try to cover for those people. I think
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that you can have a more sympathetic appeal when you're talking about, you know, some Maryland man,
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which we know is not a Maryland man, but going after these NGOs, I think is the right thing to do.
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Natalie, I'm going to ask you to hang on. We're going to come back. We're going to go to Margo
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Cleveland's here, tell me the constitutional crisis. I'm going to bring you back after that.
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I want to drill down on this because I'm seeing this theme across many areas of the Justice Department,
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FBI, people we support. But, you know, the mass deportations have not started. And I think people
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are starting to ask questions, this whole thing about the NGOs. And we see how powerful this is.
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The other day, the Catholic bishops who have been doing this for over 50 years announced
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they were dropping the whole program. Why? Because the federal government finally cut off
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the money to the NGO, to Catholic charities. You have to go after these NGOs now. You have
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to basically break this apart. You have to start investigations. The reason is you have to assume
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for planning purposes and for sense of urgency, you're not going to be here forever.
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We intend to be here forever, but you can't act like that. This is the FBI, the DOJ, DHS. I mean,
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we've got to get on with it. And this issue about the NGOs, where we actually go, where we're
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angst go away. Okay. There's all this talk, RNC, and they're all on MSNBC and the New York Times and
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CNN and BBC everywhere that the Republicans are afraid to have town halls. One person that is not
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afraid is Marjorie Taylor Greene. One of the reasons she's such a prominent fixture in leaders in MAGA
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and someone that the President of the United States listens to for advice and asks for guidance on
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certain issues is because she's fearless. Brian Glenn, you're in Georgia today in her district.
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What's going to happen at six o'clock, sir? Okay. I'm out in front of the Ackworth kind of a convention
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center they have in this town. It's up in the 14th district in Georgia. It's on the, probably one of
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the newest areas that have been redistricting. So this is kind of a newer MTG area, but starting at
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six o'clock, she's going to hold a town hall. So it's only allowed, unlike some of the other town
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halls you might've seen held by Republicans, they have not had proof that you actually live
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in this district. So she's only letting people in, show your ID, prove that you live in this district.
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You get to go inside. They expect about 300 to 350 people inside this area. Now there is some
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protesters and I'll post up the video. They're just across the street with their little chants. And
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we expected that. They expect over about 400, Steve, protesters that are organized to come out here
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and make their voices be heard. And of course, Marjorie expects a few to sneak inside and perhaps
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they want to make their voice be heard as well. But we've got probably dozens and dozens of local
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state police here. We've got a drone flying ahead. I've seen bomb sniffing dogs around here. We even
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got helicopters. So we've got air support, ground support, dog support to keep this area safe. But
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there will be some protesters and I see them, but we'll see if they just stay outside. They don't get
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inside the convention center here. Their first amendment rights. It's a sad group. I've seen
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the last couple of speeches. It's quite sad, but hey, it's a first amendment, a free country. Let's
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hear what you got to say. MTG can give as good as she gets. So I anticipate might be a little fireworks
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at the, uh, at the, uh, at the town hall, but she's brave enough. That's what I think people love
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her because she's brave enough to step into the arena, Brian Glenn. Yeah. She's not afraid to,
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uh, confront them. And if they want to have a conversation at this town hall, she's more than
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likely she wants to do that. But if they show disrespect or they start to shout and scream,
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be disruptive, I can promise you they'll get a first class escort outside this building, uh,
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and be sent right home. But she does encourage feedback and she is taking questions from the crowd.
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They've got a system to do that, to make it orderly. Uh, you know, she's not afraid to, to do
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that, but we've seen other Republicans get their town halls basically shut down. And I really think
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Steve, because a lot of these Republicans don't have the support in their district so that when
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disruptors, Democrats go to these town halls, they're able to take them over. I don't think
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that's going to happen here tonight. Uh, we just, the doors opened a few minutes ago and I've seen
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them. Yeah. Look, some of these other, the ones, MTG is in this fight and she's been in this fight
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and she's a little bit of a street fighter. So she's, and she's quite savvy. This is not her
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first rodeo. She's been in this and she's been, so she knows when you have to plan these things,
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you want to hear from your constituents. She's what I love about her. She's not shying away from a
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town hall. She's going to do it in an organized manner. So she gets feedback, not going to let it turn
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into a circus. That's cause she's smart and she's tough. Uh, Brian, we'll come back to you. Maybe MTG,
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hopefully before, if not, we'll see you back here at six o'clock to, uh, set the table for us.
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Yes, sir. We'll do. Thank you, Brian Glenn. Brian Glenn normally draws, uh, White House duty. He's
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at the town hall today, which I think will be pretty electric. Let's go. We got a cold open for our next
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guest. Let's go ahead and play it. So he wants to send American citizens to foreign prisons where
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U S legal protections don't apply at all, where people can be held for the rest of their lives
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without ever having a day in court or any sort of process. He says attorney general,
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Pam Bondi is quote, studying the laws right now to see if he really could do it. Cause he'd love to do
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it. It was only last week on Thursday when the Supreme court ruled unanimously nine to zero in
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favor of a man named Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He's a legal resident. Uh, he's a Maryland father. The
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Trump administration admits they sent him to that prison in El Salvador by mistake.
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The Supreme court effectively ordered the Trump administration to facilitate this man's return
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to the U S from that El Salvador in prison without explicitly defining what that would look like.
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The Trump administration has insisted that they can't return him and they don't intend to. They
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said that the man's fate is up to the president of El Salvador for some reason today in the oval office.
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It was a reporter who finally asked El Salvador's president, if he would please return this man to the
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United States, the El Salvadoran president called the question quote preposterous. Of course he wouldn't.
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So we have here a, a constitutional nightmare, a legal nightmare, obviously a moral nightmare.
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Cheryl Eiffel is the former president of the NAACP legal defense fund. She has been sounding the alarm
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about this. She has argued that Trump will start testing constitutional limits by trying to deport U S
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citizens from American prisons to places like El Salvador and that Americans in order to stop that
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slippery slope where it is must take on the challenge of caring about and standing up for U S
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prisoners. Quote, many of us have been working on how to legally head off this nightmare, but public
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outcry and support will be essential. Are you ready to march for the most despised members of our
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society? Will you call your representatives about those who are imprisoned? If you can't feel for
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them or their families, remember that this is just a stage in a plan that will land ultimately at our
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own doorsteps. Every one of us deemed inconvenient by this administration will be under threat. And
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every time Trump is successful, he grows more emboldened and more convinced that nothing can stop him.
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The notion that the Republican Party is going to say a Supreme Court ruling, especially a unanimous one,
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is optional, is both unsustainable and ludicrous on its face, even to the Trump voter.
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I agree, but I think that you are going to see an increasing attack on the Supreme Court because of these
00:23:51.600
rulings. Absolutely. I mean, the issue is going to be sort of the conversation between us, the sort of
00:23:57.440
political reality of whether it drives poll numbers down and the populace says that's absurd.
00:24:03.700
But I think the Supreme Court is going to be in for the same kind of attack that we saw on the lower
00:24:09.440
courts that we see on the media, that we see on anyone who stands up to Donald Trump. I mean,
00:24:15.600
it's completely baseless, but you're going to see sort of Donald Trump looking over to Bibi Netanyahu,
00:24:21.360
who has had his own attacks on the Supreme Court in Israel, thinking, oh, that's what we should do.
00:24:26.620
We should narrow its jurisdiction. We should think about packing the court. We should talk about
00:24:32.580
impeaching judges, which he's already talked about. I mean, that's another way of undermining the rule
00:24:38.920
of law. But one of the ways is what we saw in the Oval Office was a, I mean, let's just get real
00:24:46.180
about what happened. That is a thumbing of the nose at the Supreme Court ruling to say you are ordered
00:24:52.520
to facilitate the return of somebody. And you know what was not addressed at all in the Oval Office
00:24:59.660
and has not been addressed in court, in the district court? Has the administration even asked
00:25:05.380
the president of El Salvador, who is in the Oval Office, to return him? The El Salvador president said,
00:25:13.160
you know what, I can't do this unilaterally. I can't smuggle him in. That is true. He's sitting
00:25:18.800
there saying, I can't unilaterally do this. You do not have this country even asking, how is that
00:25:25.380
in any way complying with a Supreme Court decision that says you have to facilitate his return? I mean,
00:25:32.580
it's as simple as that. That one question has not been asked.
00:25:37.640
OK, Margot Cleveland joins us from the Federalist. You wrote an article that you said that the Supreme
00:25:42.820
Court's weak and timid decisions are driving us to a constitutional crisis. You saw it right there.
00:25:48.760
Weissman's essentially accusing not just the show, but yourself of being one of the,
00:25:54.120
we're being some of the instigators in back of President Trump. Your comments and observations, ma'am.
00:26:01.560
There were so many things in those clips that were blatantly, factually false that I can't remember
00:26:08.400
him all. He wasn't, Garcia was not a legal resident. The Supreme Court did not order him to be returned
00:26:15.900
to the United States. They did not order him to facilitate the return of Garcia. They ordered him,
00:26:23.900
excuse me, they also did not rule against Trump. They actually ruled for Trump by saying, look,
00:26:31.960
that order that said you had to facilitate and basically obtain his return or his was beyond
00:26:41.520
the authority. And we are going to cut out that time frame and we're going to send it back for
00:26:47.440
clarity. The only thing the court did is it said, we want you judge to clarify your directive.
00:26:57.300
And the judge hasn't clarified her directive. The court also did not say you have to facilitate
00:27:06.280
the return. The court said it was appropriate to order Trump to facilitate the release from prison.
00:27:16.540
The entire order of the Supreme Court was cagey. It was giving half directives,
00:27:26.280
half recommendations, half recommendations, so much so that you have all of those people on the left,
00:27:32.540
going on air, saying blatantly false things about what the court ordered.
00:27:38.940
Margo, hang over for one second. Hang over one second. It's perfect. We're going to take a short
00:27:42.480
commercial break. Margo, Cleveland from the Federalist lays it out. So shocking that the
00:27:49.540
left-wing media would actually lie about facts. However, her point and her deeper point is that
00:27:56.200
the decisions and opinions of the Supreme Court are leading us to a constitutional crisis.
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...of President Bukele, and I look forward to meeting with him. I've requested to meet with
00:29:45.780
him. I reached out to the ambassador here to ask to meet while he's here. But I've also made clear,
00:29:50.520
if we can't meet here, I do intend to go to El Salvador to discuss the release of this individual
00:29:56.520
who is illegally detained. A Maryland man who's the father of three in a notorious prison in El
00:30:04.460
Salvador. And I believe the president of El Salvador will recognize why it's important to allow him to
00:30:12.560
return to the United States of America. Because it is absolutely unjust and illegal to have this
00:30:20.860
Marylander detained one more day in a notorious prison in El Salvador. Of course, President Trump
00:30:29.240
could have just said, you know, bring him home. Of course, he could have done that. But this is an
00:30:35.040
administration that has lied about, Mr. Abrego Garcia, right? The vice president of the United States
00:30:40.500
tweeted out that he had a criminal record. That was a lie. They're just lying. They've gotten caught
00:30:45.980
lying. They don't want to admit it. And they have an obligation to bring him home. But I will say the
00:30:52.740
president of El Salvador should not now take it upon himself to say that he is detaining him for one
00:30:59.320
more day. Because that is kidnapping. I understand that the attorney general said that we would provide
00:31:05.560
a plane to bring him home. So all the president of El Salvador has to do now is hand over and release
00:31:12.060
an innocent man and let him come home to his family.
00:31:17.040
Okay, Margo, Cleveland joins us. She wrote this amazing piece at the Federalist, how we're hurtling
00:31:22.720
towards a constitutional crisis. But it's because, let's be blunt, the wimpy nature of the opinions of
00:31:29.120
the Supreme Court in their action. So Margo, there, it's not a member of the media. It's not Weissman
00:31:35.340
or Rachel Maddow. That's a United States senator from the state of Maryland. What do you have to say
00:31:42.120
So what he's actually talking about is something he could do that Trump could do. But the difference is
00:31:48.740
we have a judge, a district judge, saying, you must do this. And that's where the constitutional
00:31:56.540
crisis is. Yeah, Trump very well could say to the president of El Salvador, look,
00:32:02.620
let him, you know, release him. We'll bring him back and we will then deport him to a third country,
00:32:08.060
which is exactly what should happen from a political, a practical standpoint. But once a federal
00:32:16.760
judge got involved and ordered Trump to facilitate the release from prison, which involves ordering the
00:32:26.220
president to engage in that conversation with a foreign official, that's where Trump had to put
00:32:32.200
his foot down. So I actually don't disagree with everything that that politician said. I agreed that
00:32:39.780
the president of El Salvador could do that, that we would fly him back. But he was not an innocent
00:32:46.720
individual. He did commit a crime illegally entering the United States. He maybe wasn't convicted of it,
00:32:54.040
but he was not a legal resident. And he will be removed once that happens. But the constitutional
00:33:01.760
crisis is, again, the courts telling the president of the United States, you have to ask. Maybe you
00:33:08.940
have to ask pretty please. Sugar on top. Maybe just do this for me. That is none of the court's business.
00:33:16.620
And Trump should be putting his foot down on this.
00:33:19.260
So talk to me about this. You make an argument in this article on Grace and Mo. Let's make sure we
00:33:26.160
get it up into the chat rooms. If Carly Bonet would also put it out, we'd appreciate that.
00:33:31.360
And Elizabeth, I want as many people to read this as possible. It comes strongly recommended by Mike
00:33:37.040
Davis, the vice-worry. Margo, you make a deeper case here. You're saying we actually are hurtling to
00:33:43.760
a constitutional crisis because the court is what? They're not making strong opinions. They're making
00:33:50.320
the wrong opinions. They're being too wimpy. I mean, what are you recommending they do?
00:33:55.640
That they say what the Constitution says, which is Article 2 is within President's Trump authority.
00:34:03.340
Instead of sending this case back and telling the judge, you need to clarify your directive giving
00:34:10.000
due respect to the president and his foreign affairs. They should have sent it back and said,
00:34:16.360
no, you cannot order the president to engage in any type of diplomatic relations with El Salvador,
00:34:25.480
period. Instead, the way they sent it back, I think I read it 10 times and it took me 10 times to figure
00:34:33.000
out what they actually said and didn't say. But you know what the district judge said?
00:34:36.940
The district judge said, the Supreme Court affirmed my decision. It did not affirm her decision.
00:34:43.960
They are being mealy-mouthed. They are not saying what the Constitution says. And they're saying,
00:34:49.560
clarify what you mean. The Supreme Court is acting like Article 2 and Article 3 respect each other.
00:34:57.580
And they don't. And they don't because Article 2, the president has been making presidential
00:35:04.980
decisions within his authority. And you have judges who have been appointed by Obama and Biden who
00:35:13.540
are going way beyond their authority. And every single case that has made it to the Supreme Court in
00:35:21.260
two and a half months, the Supreme Court has put the brakes on the lower court. They haven't outrightly
00:35:28.140
said we're reversing. But they have done something that gave Trump a win. And the problem is, that is
00:35:35.980
only allowing these lower courts to think they can still continue this and get away with this.
00:35:41.720
And we're going to see that in this case. The judge is going to order the Trump administration to do
00:35:46.680
certain things and to disclose certain information. She had a hearing today. And from people who were there,
00:35:53.580
the conversation was, we're going to depose you. And we're going to find out what you asked the El
00:35:59.520
Salvadoran president. That's none of her business. That is not the court's business. It's not Article
00:36:05.960
3's business. Trump is going to have to refuse to answer that and go through the appellate process.
00:36:11.920
She's on the cusp of ordering him to show cause why he should not be in contempt. Why? Because the
00:36:18.080
Supreme Court of the United States refused to say, no, you can't do this. Instead, they said, well,
00:36:26.560
it was a little bit unclear and you really should be cautious. That doesn't work anymore. These judges
00:36:33.160
are activist judges and they are going to go way beyond their authority. And they're going to push
00:36:39.180
us to the part where you have Article 2 having to say, no, I am not going to ask them to release this
00:36:46.680
prisoner, period. You can't tell me to, and I'm not going to. And that is going to have to get up to
00:36:53.220
the Supreme Court. And if they don't come down and say, point blank, you can't do that, that's going
00:36:59.300
to be our constitutional crisis. Because they think it's prudent to let it play out. It isn't. It is not
00:37:05.920
prudent. It is making half of America disrespect the court and the other half disrespect the president
00:37:12.260
because they don't understand the separations of power.
00:37:16.740
Well, maybe they do understand. I mean, the left is cheering this on. Would I be out of line and
00:37:21.960
saying, because you see it every night, I mean, MSNBC spends at least 50% of their primetime hours
00:37:28.660
on lawsuits, you know, in front of federal judges who are giving TROs or injunctions for the whole
00:37:35.000
nation and the rest about these issues that are going to the Supreme Court. I mean, they're egging this
00:37:40.680
on. Like you said at the beginning of your segment, all the facts that they repeat like a mantra over
00:37:46.960
and over and over again about this case absolutely happen to be dead wrong. They know what they're
00:37:52.200
doing. This is information warfare. Do you think conservative media is doing a good, War Room
00:37:57.060
included, is doing a good enough job of covering these? Well, you know, frankly, it's hard because
00:38:03.560
there are so many of these cases. There's over 100 cases. And on my Twitter account, I try to keep a
00:38:09.720
constant update of what the cases are and what's happening in them. But it is impossible to track
00:38:15.480
that many cases. And it's legal stuff. And because I am a lawyer, I am able to quickly read and process
00:38:24.420
them and catch kind of these key distinctions in the cases. So like I said, all of those Supreme Court
00:38:30.660
cases, they actually were ruling for Trump. They were just doing it in kind of backhanded, tricky ways
00:38:37.740
so that they didn't have to say Trump wins. You guys are doing it the wrong way. So I don't know
00:38:44.440
that there's a possibility of even doing it right because there's too much. It's too detailed. It's
00:38:51.380
too complex. And the best we can do is when there's a clear case like this is to push back and say,
00:38:59.000
no, you're lying about what's going on in Garcia. If you just pull up the Supreme Court order,
00:39:04.280
what Andrew Weissman said was that they ordered him to be facilitated to return to the U.S.
00:39:11.940
It's not in there. It's nowhere in there. The only thing it says is the order was right about
00:39:17.200
facilitating his release from prison. But even that was based on the presumption that Garcia is being
00:39:25.680
held because we're paying for it. And we asked them to hold him. And I think that's absolutely wrong.
00:39:31.900
Garcia is El Salvadorian. Why would we pay for El Salvador to hold their own prisoners?
00:39:39.260
The reason we were paying El Salvador was because of all of the Venezuelan gang members that we
00:39:46.440
couldn't ship back to Venezuela. So I think even the Supreme Court was based on the record that made
00:39:53.520
it look like we had something to do with him being in that prison. And I don't think that's the case.
00:39:59.800
So I guess that was a long way to get to. It's too complex for everyone to push back on. We've got to
00:40:07.620
find the cases where it's clear that we can point out that this is blatantly false and that we can show
00:40:14.500
it in black and white. So they actually listen as opposed to this is a conspiracy theory. This is a
00:40:22.280
Margo, you talk about it's the wimpy or timid, I think you call it, responsible for the Supreme
00:40:30.380
Court. Do you anticipate Roberts, the Roberts court, particularly how Roberts has run this
00:40:36.120
thing and now he's got ACB as a wingman? Do you anticipate that's going to get any less timid?
00:40:41.380
I keep thinking it's going to. I thought it was going to after they did the first punt,
00:40:48.940
which was involving a gentleman named Dellinger. But then they did the same thing the second time
00:40:55.280
and the third time. I don't think so. I don't think you're going to change Roberts and Barrett
00:41:01.600
from being the prudential hands-off justices, which frankly, I think is a good approach in most cases.
00:41:10.680
But in this case, it's not because it is giving the lower court judges carte blanche to do anything.
00:41:17.700
So I don't think you're going to find them moving away from their timidity. But when forced,
00:41:25.320
I do think that they're going to order and rule the right way, which we did see in every single case
00:41:33.520
that has come up there, that they actually stopped what the lower court was doing that was beyond its
00:41:40.460
authority. So I wish I could be more hopeful. But the best I can say is they're going to rule in the right
00:41:52.720
Margo, how can people get onto your Twitter feed and follow you throughout the day?
00:41:57.200
Because what we need is a constant news service to update on all these myriad of cases,
00:42:02.040
because all of these are important in their own way. Where do people go, ma'am,
00:42:07.460
Yes. So I am writing at The Federalist and on social media, I am on X at Prof MJ Cleveland.
00:42:16.380
And at the very top, I have pinned all of the Supreme Court dockets.
00:42:21.200
And I usually throughout the day, if anything substantial breaks, I constantly am getting
00:42:27.140
updates from the different cases. I probably have 20 of them in my email, just while I've been
00:42:32.660
chatting with you. And I post not just my thoughts on it, but the original documents so that you can
00:42:44.640
Margo, fantastic and great service to the country. Really appreciate you and look forward to having you
00:42:53.380
Margo, Cleveland over at The Federalist. This, as we told you, the courts are the tip of the spear.
00:42:59.540
You know, Natalie's done a great job of how they're trying to do the color revolution
00:43:02.580
and how they're playing up every protest. You're about to see one. When MTG goes to do her town
00:43:09.580
hall, they're going to have protesters outside. They had protesters outside last night
00:43:13.260
in Greenville. It was kind of sad, right? But they still had them. We're going to take a
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short commercial break. Natalie's still with us. The great Brian Glenn is around. We're going to go
00:43:25.620
live to MTG's Town Hall in Georgia. Also, hopefully we've got plenty of time to do this. We're going
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Okay, so much activity in capital markets. And as we get down, we're going to get into big time
00:45:03.840
on the big, beautiful bill, cuts. We had Russ vote on today. I want to thank Russ. He's getting ready
00:45:11.100
to do a rescission. It's under $10 billion, it looks like, but it's got PBS, NPR, some of the USAID. So
00:45:23.860
Capital markets are going to bounce around. One of the big weapons of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:45:28.660
And big breaking news as we came on the air right here is, guess what? NVIDIA was just announced
00:45:39.920
that NVIDIA cannot sell. I got this right. NVIDIA is not able to sell. Breaking news. NVIDIA says the
00:45:46.180
U.S. government has banned them from selling the H20 chips to China for the indefinite future.
00:45:53.380
Stock is down over 5% of the news. I'm not saying this is the equivalent
00:45:58.380
of cutting the Japanese off from oil in July and August of 1941. But let's say it's directionally
00:46:10.140
the same. This is hardball. We told you we've been arguing for Smash Mouth. I think we just got
00:46:14.620
some from the U.S. government. Natalie Winters, I want to talk to you about what Margo Cleveland said.
00:46:19.020
And also, you've been following these NGOs, why we're not on the attack. But first,
00:46:23.940
since you've done such great work on the Chinese Communist Party, this is the Trump
00:46:27.500
administration thrown a punch, is it not, ma'am? Absolutely. Like I always say, the only president
00:46:34.660
who, at least in my lifetime, has actually taken on the Chinese Communist Party with, I think, a level
00:46:39.480
of clinical detail that the media always misses, either intentionally or because it goes over their
00:46:45.020
head. President Trump understands the United Front Work Department, the political warfare, what
00:46:50.700
really undergirds what they have done to this country, which is the axiom of infiltration,
00:46:54.860
as opposed to invasion, the idea that you see codified all over people's Liberation Army texts,
00:47:00.620
being that the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. And I think what we've
00:47:05.940
learned from these tariffs, from even moves like this coming against Nvidia, is that we were sort of
00:47:10.880
living on borrowed time, right? We were living in this suspended reality whereby we thought we were
00:47:16.260
okay, we were sufficient from the Chinese Communist Party. Meanwhile, they were waging economic warfare,
00:47:21.420
information warfare, lawfare. And in some cases, I think the spy balloon is kinetic warfare. And I
00:47:26.960
think what was going on at the southern border was kinetic warfare, too. But what we have is a
00:47:31.820
president who actually understands the gravity and these sort of fifth dimension warfare tactics that
00:47:37.640
the Chinese Communist Party is using against us. And that this happy talk of, oh, well, what would
00:47:43.100
war with China look like? And oh, the Thucydides trap and oh, Trump's trade war. That ship sailed. We are at war
00:47:49.100
with China. And it's nice to have a president who finally understands that.
00:47:53.700
You then agree with the thesis, the unrestricted warfare that they've been
00:47:58.540
under, you know, attacking us for decades. And now the people's war that they called in 2019.
00:48:05.360
In your observations and analysis, there's no doubt we're engaged in something far deeper
00:48:14.000
Oh, absolutely not. I mean, I think their goal is not necessarily to have the White House,
00:48:19.720
you know, fly the Chinese flag. They just want everyone who works in there to have graduated
00:48:24.540
from a higher education institution that's bankrolled by the Chinese Communist Party, have
00:48:29.220
worked for political candidates who were, you know, working with fundraisers tied to the Chinese
00:48:33.740
Communist Party like we just found out today. And Boston have people and their families reliant on
00:48:38.420
pharmaceutical drugs that are manufactured in China, have distorted propaganda news outlets that
00:48:43.720
are essentially carrying water, if not, in some cases, just directly running ads for the Chinese
00:48:48.860
Communist Party. And what I think really is the core of it, this idea that, you know, China is an
00:48:53.880
economic miracle. That was sort of the first, I think, from 2000 to like 2010, 2015, before Trump
00:49:00.920
entered the stage, they were very content with just reframing the narrative about China's so-called rise
00:49:06.800
that it was, you know, beneficial, a boon to the United States of America. But, you know, I think
00:49:11.800
in recent years, you've seen them sort of weaponize and escalate their propaganda efforts here in the
00:49:16.920
United States to blow past just how the United States and Americans conceive of China. But more
00:49:23.340
importantly, they want to really shape and I think almost pervert the way that the United States,
00:49:29.720
that our citizens, our fellow citizens, look at this country. And I think that's why you see them
00:49:34.280
kind of pop up, whether it's funding like we were talking about earlier, a lot of these BLM
00:49:38.440
movements, these far left progressive movements, they always have a hand in these culturally
00:49:43.160
destructive and subversive forces because they're playing to win. They're playing for keeps. They
00:49:49.900
don't like the idea of a bipolar world order. They are keen on a unipolar world order, a unipolar
00:49:56.320
world order whereby the United States is not on top. And you see it. I didn't see any media outlets
00:50:02.140
melting down about what they were doing with the Belt and Road Initiative. But all of a sudden,
00:50:06.080
you know, President Trump says, oh, well, maybe we're going to take the Panama Canal and they're
00:50:10.060
apoplectic and they're melting down. And by the way, for all these people who are melting down over
00:50:13.720
what's going on in the El Salvadorian prison, I suggest you take a trip to Xinjiang and see what
00:50:18.480
China's done with the Uyghurs. You probably won't be too happy. And just one point on that, Steve,
00:50:23.180
too, after Margo's interview, I think it's important to underscore the reason why we have to ship these
00:50:29.760
people overseas is because the Biden regime systematically underdeveloped and in some
00:50:37.300
cases shut down domestic detention center facilities. And for four years, but especially
00:50:43.320
after President Trump won, these left-wing lobbying groups and activists who are funded probably by the
00:50:49.020
Chinese Communist Party, but certainly Open Society Foundations, a sort of left-wing apparatus,
00:50:53.200
they were lobbying to Trump-proof this country, the mass deportation agenda. Remember,
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how many shows did we do on that? That was the railhead of their ability to Trump-proof
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the government. They wanted to nullify and neuter his mass deportation agenda. So they essentially
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set this trap, right, the constitutionality of the foreign deportations. And I think my message
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would just be very clear. If they don't get the deportations right, you turn this country into El
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Salvador. And if you don't get the lawfare counter-programming correct, going after these law
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firms, going after the deep state, me, you, and a lot of people who watch this show, and a lot of
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administration officials, and probably President Trump, are going to end up in an El Salvadorian
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Amen. Amen. I tell you what, we're going to hold Mike Lindell through the break. We're going to take
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going to stick around. We're going to go, hopefully, to a town hall, MTG throwing down a bunch of
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