Bannon's War Room - Episode 4421： Jerome Powell Takes On Trump; Trump Waves Off Iran Conflict

00:00:00.000 playing hardball with these institutions and just press on and press on

00:00:04.160 harder, go to the public, go to all the Ivy league schools,

00:00:06.700 the Ivy adjacent of what they're called the Duke universities and go to the

00:00:11.160 public Ivies and just cut them off. Hardcore, cut them off with federal money. 0.92

00:00:14.320 Love it. And let's see how tough they are. Love it. Love it. All right,

00:00:16.620 Steve, your show. Good talking to you, my brother. I'll see you.

00:00:19.080 Hopefully see you tomorrow.

00:00:22.580 Eric Bowling. Thank you very much on a Holy Thursday evening.

00:00:26.340 We've got a great cold open. Natalie's with us.

00:00:29.000 Uh, also what Sheila, uh, Sheila Matthews is going to join us as a shooting down 1.00

00:00:34.000 at Florida state. We're going to break that down and see if, uh, you know, the,

00:00:38.960 the drugs they give these young people, if that has anything to do with it,

00:00:41.700 let's go. We've got an amazing cold of a packed news day today.

00:00:44.620 I know you find that hard to believe packed. And this is what I love doing the

00:00:47.720 afternoon show. We get the, we get all the stuff that's been hot all day.

00:00:51.120 Let's go ahead and play the cold open.

00:00:52.720 We're going to bring our own Natalie G winners in for some observations.

00:00:59.000 I wouldn't say waved off. I'm not in a rush to do it because I think that Iran has a chance to have

00:01:17.420 a great country and, uh, to live happily without death.

00:01:22.420 And I'd like to see that. That's my first option.

00:01:25.860 Uh, if there's a second option, uh, I think it would be very bad for Iran. 0.64

00:01:31.580 And I think Iran is wanting to talk.

00:01:35.700 I hope they're wanting to talk. It's going to be very good for them if they do.

00:01:39.080 And I'd like to see Iran be thrive in the future, do fantastically well.

00:01:44.780 I know the Iranian people. They're incredible people.

00:01:47.980 Always have been very smart, very energetic, very successful people.

00:01:52.560 And I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt anybody.

00:01:56.640 I really don't. But, uh, Iran can have a nuclear weapon.

00:02:00.260 It's, you know, pretty simple. It's really simple.

00:02:02.580 We're not looking to take their industry. We're not looking to take their land.

00:02:08.960 We're not, all we're saying is we, you can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:02:12.120 You have said in the past that you aren't worried about allies growing closer to China

00:02:16.740 as a result of your tariffs.

00:02:18.180 And this week you saw Chinese President Xi Jinping visiting the three of our allies.

00:02:22.500 Should you be worried that they're growing closer?

00:02:24.820 No. No.

00:02:28.400 Nobody, nobody can compete with us. Nobody.

00:02:30.920 You said they could definitely teach it with President Xi.

00:02:33.420 Why not pick up the phone and call him and make a deal?

00:02:35.380 Oh, we're going to make a deal. We'll have a deal.

00:02:37.480 I think we have a, I think we're going to make a very good deal with China.

00:02:40.860 Do you plan to reach out for any call?

00:02:42.220 I think, I think that, uh, you will see we'll make a very good deal with China.

00:02:46.060 The level of tariff increases announced so far is significantly larger than anticipated

00:02:51.280 and the same is likely to be true of the economic effects,

00:02:55.000 which will include higher inflation and slower growth.

00:02:58.020 Tariffs are highly likely to generate at least a temporary rise in inflation.

00:03:04.800 The inflationary effects could also be more persistent.

00:03:09.060 Avoiding that outcome will depend on the size of the effects,

00:03:12.520 on how long it takes for them to pass through fully to prices,

00:03:16.040 and ultimately on keeping longer-term inflation expectations well anchored.

00:03:20.080 On Jerome Powell, you said that the termination of Jerome Powell did not come fast enough.

00:03:25.420 He says he won't leave him, even if you ask him to.

00:03:28.240 Oh, he'll leave. If I ask him to, he'll be out of there.

00:03:30.720 But I don't think he's, I don't think he, I don't think he's doing the job.

00:03:35.940 He's too late, always too late, a little slow, and I'm not happy with him.

00:03:41.540 But I let him know it, and if I want him out, he'll be out of there real fast, believe me.

00:03:49.580 Hi, Victoria Guido with Politico.

00:03:52.400 Some of the president-elect's advisors have suggested that you should resign.

00:03:57.260 If he asked you to leave, would you go?

00:04:00.160 No.

00:04:00.380 Can you follow up on, do you think that legally you're not required to leave?

00:04:07.600 No.

00:04:08.180 I guess the other question is, to follow up on Victoria's question,

00:04:12.540 do you believe the president has the power to fire or demote you,

00:04:15.960 and has the Fed determined the legality of a president demoting at will

00:04:20.620 any of the other governors with leadership positions?

00:04:23.260 Not permitted under the law.

00:04:25.160 Not what?

00:04:26.060 Not permitted under the law.

00:04:28.000 I mean, we are now relying on the courts almost completely and entirely.

00:04:33.380 Is that the position that Powell finds himself in?

00:04:35.800 He doesn't expect the Senate to lay his body down on the tracks or the Congress?

00:04:39.540 Yeah, so a couple things.

00:04:40.780 I believe if Jay Powell were fired by the president,

00:04:44.700 he would have to defend himself privately,

00:04:47.880 and I believe he has positioned himself in that way to prepare for that

00:04:53.340 should it happen, is my understanding.

00:04:55.420 The other thing is, there is a technicality by which the president can fire a Fed chair

00:05:01.240 or a governor, and that is for malfeasance.

00:05:03.380 I just want to be technically correct about that,

00:05:06.140 but it is not believed that a disagreement about interest rate policy

00:05:10.220 would be that kind of malfeasance that might justify a firing.

00:05:15.080 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:05:22.900 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:05:28.160 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:05:32.420 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:05:34.360 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:05:35.760 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:05:37.520 but you're not going to stop it.

00:05:38.440 It's going to happen.

00:05:39.500 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:05:43.120 MAGA Media.

00:05:44.460 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:05:49.900 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:05:53.660 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:06:00.000 War Room.

00:06:00.860 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:06:03.200 Welcome, it's Thursday, 17 April, Year of Our Lord 2025.

00:06:11.320 It's the late afternoon, early evening show leading into Holy Thursday.

00:06:16.280 Well, it is Holy Thursday, but normally the religious services will be tonight.

00:06:21.280 Was it Maundy Thursday for Protestants? 0.56

00:06:25.620 And some very beautiful services tonight,

00:06:28.800 both in the Catholic Church and in the Protestant community.

00:06:33.640 In Holy Week.

00:06:34.560 So look, you know, President Trump, you got to love him.

00:06:37.620 It's Holy Week, a little slow.

00:06:39.200 Congress is out.

00:06:40.520 Let's see, what are we doing this afternoon?

00:06:41.920 Hey, how about we're going to fire the chairman of the Federal Reserve?

00:06:46.920 That'll change the conversation as if, you know, their heads are not blowing up.

00:06:51.640 It's interesting.

00:06:52.540 They can't even get to all that, like us, they can't get to all the stories.

00:06:55.740 You can tell they're doing three or four.

00:06:57.420 They're really packed around, obviously, the deportations, as we went through this morning with Benzman.

00:07:06.320 And for the war room posse, thinking downrange, it's there.

00:07:11.420 You see the firestorm they're putting up on taking out criminals and gang members.

00:07:17.260 Think of what it's going to be when you get down to the, as I did the calculation today, the 1.6 million that have final deportation orders, okay, from a court.

00:07:26.540 And then the other $2 million, as Todd Benson went through, it gets you $3.5, $3.6 million that you could basically, another $2 million you could take out right away, virtually have those phony licenses from the passports.

00:07:42.900 They're going away.

00:07:44.520 They're burning off for a time.

00:07:45.900 There'll be $2 million here by the end of the year.

00:07:48.520 So $3.6 million, you see what's happening right there.

00:07:51.700 The courts are a slog with that.

00:07:52.920 Now, President Trump, the ECB, European Central Bank, cut rates, I think they got a little different thing they're looking at.

00:07:59.540 But Powell did not.

00:08:00.580 President Trump's all over him.

00:08:01.580 So the talk today is, is President Trump going to fire Powell?

00:08:04.520 Does he have the legal authority to fire Powell?

00:08:08.320 Because the Fed is a quasi-independent institution.

00:08:12.840 I think that's a whole question in and of itself, right?

00:08:15.120 Who controls the Federal Reserve?

00:08:16.620 Why do we even have a Fed? 0.89

00:08:17.900 We're a big believer.

00:08:20.500 We're like Andrew Jackson.

00:08:21.900 We actually don't believe in the central bank.

00:08:25.480 You know, this is the equivalent of the Bank of the United States to us, maybe just slightly different.

00:08:29.620 So President Trump all in on that today.

00:08:32.280 The – gave a presser at the – when the Italian premier was there and then later signed executive orders, particularly around fisheries.

00:08:41.280 I think limiting some employment in the federal government through the summer.

00:08:45.760 Extended that and, of course, took – he's taking questions all day long.

00:08:50.360 I do want to replay because what Jack and I did this morning, I think we took about three segments to do it.

00:08:57.220 It kind of – parts of it went mini-viral.

00:08:59.640 And I realize Kurt Mills and some other folks are tweeting out some of the better elements that we appreciated about the New York Times story.

00:09:06.340 President Trump has asked a direct question.

00:09:07.980 So I don't want to – this is disintermediating Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon.

00:09:12.840 Let's go ahead and hear President Trump again answering a question that was put directly to him earlier in the day when he was there for a bilateral with the Italian head of government.

00:09:22.320 Let's go ahead and listen to it.

00:09:23.260 President Trump, President Trump, I wouldn't say waved off.

00:09:40.120 I'm not in a rush to do it because I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country

00:09:45.260 and to live happily without death.

00:09:49.520 And I'd like to see that.

00:09:50.840 That's my first option.

00:09:53.300 If there's a second option, I think it would be very bad for Iran. 0.82

00:09:58.700 And I think Iran is wanting to talk.

00:10:02.800 I hope they're wanting to talk.

00:10:04.360 It's going to be very good for them if they do.

00:10:06.180 And I'd like to see Iran thrive in the future, do fantastically well.

00:10:11.900 I know the Iranian people, they're incredible people, always have been very smart, very energetic, very successful people.

00:10:19.620 And I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt anybody.

00:10:23.760 I really don't.

00:10:24.600 But Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:10:27.380 It's, you know, pretty simple.

00:10:28.920 It's really simple.

00:10:30.400 We're not looking to take their industry.

00:10:33.540 We're not looking to take their land.

00:10:35.900 All we're saying is you can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:10:41.400 Right there, he lays it out very simply.

00:10:43.820 They can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:10:46.640 But I don't want to attack.

00:10:47.860 I don't want to live happily without death.

00:10:52.200 The certain hardcore elements of the New York Times went absolutely nuts today.

00:10:55.600 They were also not happy about Jack and I, who are big supporters of Israel.

00:11:00.040 But here's the reality.

00:11:01.160 If you read the New York Times, and I haven't seen any counter to that,

00:11:03.640 it's the arrogance of essentially forcing, BB forcing his way here twice, coming when President Trump dropped to Gaza, Trump-Gaza, about a month ago.

00:11:13.380 And it's fine to come over and update.

00:11:15.060 That's what these bilats are. 0.97

00:11:16.480 These people come in and we cover it every day.

00:11:18.460 Then to come back a couple of weeks later because he didn't get enough to spend enough time and force the issue.

00:11:26.100 They're trying to force the issue.

00:11:27.820 They're trying to say, hey, we have these battle plans.

00:11:29.600 We're ready to go.

00:11:30.420 And, you know, we've knocked their air defenses out.

00:11:32.280 We have to go.

00:11:32.880 And he came over and did it again.

00:11:38.580 And President Trump kind of dropped the bomb on him in the room.

00:11:40.820 Hey, by the way, we're actually in negotiations.

00:11:42.880 We start this Saturday in Oman.

00:11:44.880 It's just the two of us.

00:11:45.820 There's no third party, which the Israelis have been adamant that that can't happen.

00:11:51.700 Scott Besson came out yesterday and kind of gave a backup to what we've been saying here on the show,

00:11:55.900 is that why are we we haven't even started true economic warfare against these folks. 0.56

00:12:02.000 If you want the Persians to start taking a hard look at the mullahs, these radical, crazy mullahs that rule over them, 1.00

00:12:11.220 you got to you got to put the squeeze on them. 0.94

00:12:13.260 We're not putting the squeeze on them.

00:12:14.400 People say, no, it's tough.

00:12:15.360 Inflation.

00:12:15.700 That's not the squeeze.

00:12:16.440 They have assets all over the world.

00:12:19.600 Get somebody in next week on this 1983 on the bombing itself.

00:12:22.800 I believe they owe the families of the dead Marines a couple of billion dollars.

00:12:26.960 I think there's a court judgment on that.

00:12:28.660 I'll get to the details over the weekend.

00:12:30.440 And we should just take that right away.

00:12:32.300 Just seize it.

00:12:34.800 Also, you know, they got assets all around.

00:12:37.280 They have financial assets all around.

00:12:38.680 These mullahs, all they do is steal money. 1.00

00:12:40.120 Got Swiss bank accounts to get everything.

00:12:42.020 Plus two and a half million barrels of oil a day.

00:12:45.860 Not the 1.6 on the that's publicly disclosed.

00:12:48.440 They got about two, two and a half million.

00:12:49.760 Going to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:12:51.040 It's essentially 20 plus percent of total energy consumption by the CCP.

00:12:58.380 The CCP that's at economic war with us.

00:13:00.620 President Trump sitting there going, hey, we're going to make a deal.

00:13:03.640 He says I make deals.

00:13:04.840 He'll make a deal with Xi.

00:13:07.920 That's what this whole thing is.

00:13:08.880 The reordering and the reorganization of commercial relationships and activity to bring high value added manufacturing jobs back here to the United States of America.

00:13:18.980 Or have people pay for the privilege of selling your products here in the United States.

00:13:23.280 It's premium market.

00:13:24.200 Pretty simple.

00:13:24.720 His logic on the Persian nuclear program is very simple.

00:13:29.720 Now, when you say they can't have it, they're, you know, we're covence people using the V word for verification. 0.99

00:13:37.600 These mullahs are so crazy and so untrustworthy. 1.00

00:13:40.380 I think on this one, you need a Gaddafi type. 1.00

00:13:43.260 We got to go in now with the U.N.

00:13:44.520 We got going and take it apart brick by brick.

00:13:47.100 Right.

00:13:47.800 And let's do a Carthaginian piece with them on this.

00:13:51.200 We'll salt the earth around it like we want to do with the FBI headquarters.

00:13:55.940 Cash, if you're listening.

00:13:57.200 So, President Trump, very straightforward and blunt today.

00:14:03.680 And you can tell, President Trump says, hey, this is simple.

00:14:06.580 They're not going to get a nuclear weapon.

00:14:08.240 And I don't want to go in and have death and destruction.

00:14:11.820 And certainly, if you look at the article, come over and be pushed over and over again and donors calling.

00:14:16.460 It's not going to happen.

00:14:19.380 There's so many other ways that we haven't even pursued.

00:14:23.420 They're saying, oh, they're going to have a bomb next week.

00:14:25.000 They're not going to have a bomb next week. 0.70

00:14:26.760 You have to be serious about putting the screws right in their head.

00:14:31.800 And you can do it if you're serious.

00:14:35.220 But we're not going to get drawn in.

00:14:36.620 The collateral damage, this ain't Iraq and it ain't Afghanistan. 0.53

00:14:42.320 This is an ancient, ancient civilization.

00:14:44.820 We're very proud, tough people.

00:14:47.500 You go in there and you're going to be in there for a decade.

00:14:51.040 Okay.

00:14:52.000 Your sons and daughters are going to be there.

00:14:53.620 And it ain't going to happen.

00:14:56.740 Short break.

00:14:57.520 We have a lot to get to.

00:14:59.380 Next.

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00:16:12.440 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:15.080 Natalie Winters joins us.

00:16:19.140 First off, Natalie, you were involved, I think, that they had a roundtable with a certain select group of journalists when Netanyahu was here.

00:16:26.900 Can you just, without giving up any confidences, can you tell us what went on?

00:16:31.120 Sure.

00:16:31.520 Well, we were invited.

00:16:32.520 I was invited on behalf of Worm.

00:16:34.380 It was about 12 or so journalists, talking heads, who had about an hour and a half roundtable with the prime minister himself when he was visiting at Blair House.

00:16:42.800 I attended, I think you know we are very even-handed and fair in our assessment of what is going on in the Middle East.

00:16:48.480 I was curious to see the other personalities who were there.

00:16:51.620 You know my background is in Foreign Agent Registration Act reporting and how foreign countries seek to sort of influence narratives about prevailing issues.

00:16:59.240 So that was why I was there, but it was quite interesting because one of the things that we talked about, I would say, second only to sort of Netanyahu's construct of what he viewed as the global deep state of which he identified himself as a victim.

00:17:13.140 And target of was this idea of why the United States should support, you know, Israeli attacks in Iran on nuclear infrastructure.

00:17:23.540 And his key point, which, to be frank, I don't think necessarily convinced a lot of the journalists in the room, and I would put myself in that bucket too, that the reason why we should have supported Israel's attacks potentially on Iran was because eventually one day in the future they could obtain nuclear technology that could reach the United States.

00:17:44.000 That, of course, still being sort of a in-the-future-foregone, not necessarily conclusion, but I think just an interesting data point amidst all this reporting and that issue now.

00:17:54.560 You know, if you talk to people, they would say, you know, with Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec and War Room and Bannon and their Real America voice, because we've had Tara Dahl, we've had correspondents, we didn't lie reports, I think, been very supportive of what happened with the Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:18:12.900 And, you know, but our argument is when you've got to go through hell, go through as quickly as possible.

00:18:17.340 What we have been adamant about is we just do not believe we can get sucked into another war in the Middle East, and it's quite easy. 1.00

00:18:27.760 This is why I'm kind of opposed to us having two carrier battle groups off of Yemen, the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula, you know, doing airstrikes all the time with very little help and keeping the Suez Canal open with no allies.

00:18:44.480 So it's not that we don't support the fight, but we want to be rational about it.

00:18:48.540 And we're a huge believer in the power of economic warfare.

00:18:53.440 This is what we're engaged in against the Chinese Communist Party right now.

00:18:56.440 And with President Trump, I'm not so sure Xi wants to take a meeting right now.

00:19:01.500 I think it's a test of wills.

00:19:02.760 I just think it is.

00:19:04.020 And on this, you have to – we haven't even scratched the surface.

00:19:08.760 There's been sanctions, but there hasn't really been economic warfare and shut them down.

00:19:13.000 So before you commit American air assets or American ground assets – and this is it.

00:19:19.040 If you understand how this would be done in Persia as a country, this is not Iraq, and it's not Afghanistan, and this is not the Gulf War, and this is not the run-up to – in 2003, right?

00:19:35.200 It's not the run-up to Baghdad, and it's not going into Afghanistan with some CIA paramilitary and then try to change the country.

00:19:42.700 And turn it into a Jeffersonian democracy.

00:19:46.200 This is an ancient civilization.

00:19:48.060 I was there as a junior officer in the workup.

00:19:50.960 My ship, my destroyer squadron rotated out before the final launch and the strike, but we were there for the workup, which even as a young officer, I was sitting there going, I don't know if this is going to work because we just didn't have enough lift capacity.

00:20:02.580 Because Persia is so massive, so massive.

00:20:06.280 And so it looks like the parts that we could see look like the moon, OK?

00:20:13.400 You're not on the coast of California, not there at Santa Barbara or Newport Beach.

00:20:17.420 I don't think people realize that.

00:20:20.420 And this – to do this with the technology exists and what they have is a massive military operation, and it would draw the United States in.

00:20:28.280 And to me, it's not even – they're presenting it, but kind of the pushing and the pushing and coming, and we're going to have it in May and coming back.

00:20:35.840 There's no reason for him to come back last week to talk about tariffs.

00:20:39.240 He wasn't really prepared to deal on tariffs.

00:20:41.020 I heard he took a pretty hard line.

00:20:42.240 It was all here to get to Trump, and Trump couldn't be more dismissive.

00:20:46.820 That's – for the people that are for Israel and supporting Israel, when President – the guy comes the first time, BB comes the first time, and Trump kind of drops the bomb of, hey, we're actually going to take Gaza and we're going to turn it into the coast of France or Palm Beach, right?

00:21:06.840 Or was it Destin, Florida, the New Hamptons or whatever they call it down there?

00:21:12.560 And they haven't gotten a heads up, and you say he's kind of gobsmacked, and they go into the East Room, and Trump's not even addressing any of the Israeli issues.

00:21:20.260 He's talking about Trump-Gaza. 0.73

00:21:22.280 Then he comes back a couple weeks later, and he drops a bomb right in front of him that, hey, we're going to – oh, by the way, we're starting negotiations, one-on-one negotiations, Saturday in Oman, and it's just us and the Persians.

00:21:35.040 That, I think, take a hint.

00:21:37.180 You've got to read the room, particularly people that are supporters.

00:21:40.660 Remember, we're not the negative guys, so we're not the guys that are saying, hey, we shouldn't do this under anything.

00:21:46.120 We get blown up by this guy's time, and maybe rightly so because this looks like – this plays in – the New York Times story plays into that, hey, the tail's wagging the dog.

00:21:59.000 Look, and you're not going to wag Trump.

00:22:01.740 He's not going to do it right there.

00:22:03.420 He could not be clearer.

00:22:05.460 Can I get that teed up again?

00:22:06.780 I'm worked up on this thing now.

00:22:08.800 Let's play – I want to play again.

00:22:09.940 The president has asked a direct question.

00:22:11.440 On the New York Times story, did you wave off?

00:22:16.380 Did you wave off?

00:22:17.580 Yes or no?

00:22:18.300 And here are the president of the United States' response.

00:22:20.000 Let's go and play it.

00:22:20.620 And they say the attack is what?

00:22:31.340 That you've waved off an Israeli plan to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

00:22:36.080 I wouldn't say waved off.

00:22:37.480 I'm not in a rush to do it because I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country and to live happily without death.

00:22:46.900 And I'd like to see that.

00:22:48.280 That's my first option.

00:22:49.300 If there's a second option, I think it would be very bad for Iran. 0.82

00:22:56.100 And I think Iran is wanting to talk.

00:23:00.200 I hope they're wanting to talk.

00:23:01.800 It's going to be very good for them if they do.

00:23:03.740 And I'd like to see Iran thrive in the future, do fantastically well.

00:23:09.340 I know the Iranian people, they're incredible people.

00:23:12.520 Always have been very smart, very energetic, very successful people.

00:23:16.260 And I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt anybody.

00:23:21.200 I really don't.

00:23:22.020 But Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:23:24.800 It's, you know, pretty simple.

00:23:26.360 It's really simple.

00:23:27.860 We're not looking to take their industry.

00:23:30.980 We're not looking to take their land.

00:23:33.480 We're not.

00:23:33.720 All we're saying is you can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:23:36.280 It's very appropriate.

00:23:39.860 I think we do this on Holy Thursday.

00:23:41.620 Didn't, if memory serves me correctly, one of the magi that came to honor Christ at his birth was Persian, right?

00:23:52.960 I believe.

00:23:53.640 I believe I'm correcting that.

00:23:55.840 If not, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

00:23:58.440 Natalie Winters.

00:24:00.360 This is going to get very controversial.

00:24:02.280 It was an incredible story by the New York Times.

00:24:04.060 Lots of scoops there. 0.56

00:24:04.920 And, of course, a lot's been going on.

00:24:06.540 Six NSC people got turfed out.

00:24:08.640 A week ago, the head of NSA, the big spy, our signals operation, really, one of the most powerful in all the government, turfed out a four-star general and his deputy.

00:24:19.080 And then three or four of Pete's guys essentially perp-walked out of the Pentagon.

00:24:25.060 So a lot going on on the national security side.

00:24:27.140 We'll break it all down for you.

00:24:28.180 You've got a very interesting video here I want to play, and I want your commentary on it, Miss Winters.

00:24:35.180 Let's go ahead and play it.

00:24:36.900 Every single week, we have a litigation working group where a large group of us, and I'm talking there's maybe 75 members of the House,

00:24:43.440 sit down every single week with the AGs to talk about legal strategy.

00:24:47.560 This is all going on every single week behind the scenes.

00:24:52.100 It is nonstop, nonstop talk, nonstop introduction of bills and legislation, nonstop being on social media as much as we can without being throttled and without the crazy analytics and doing all these things.

00:25:08.160 I disagree with these people totally and what they want to do, and to me, they're out to destroy the country.

00:25:13.840 But, Natalie, that's how you get things done.

00:25:16.740 People should understand that's what's happening behind the scenes, and this is why you're seeing hundreds of lawsuits.

00:25:22.460 They all look like they're coordinated.

00:25:23.920 This is just not something that randomly is happening by concerned citizen groups.

00:25:29.360 Natalie Winters.

00:25:29.880 Well, I would also disagree that they're the ones being throttled or censored on social media.

00:25:35.260 We know the State Department, I think pretty remarkably, got rid of all those restrictions and those secret clandestine government programs.

00:25:42.540 But, look, I think this is what we identified even before President Trump won the election, that the attorneys general, that that was sort of part of the lawfare attacks, how they were going to try to Trump-proof the government before he took over.

00:25:55.340 And then we've seen that continue post-January 20th.

00:25:58.700 There's about 23 states where they have supermajorities, and I think that they have viewed each state as sort of a testing ground or battleground for unique ways to sort of wage resistance.

00:26:09.800 Warfare, of course, compounded that I think you have a lot of these blue state governors sort of jockeying for the 2028 election.

00:26:17.240 But I think the more crucial part of this, and it's frankly why War Room exists, why your audience, our audience is watching the show, because it's a double standard and it's the dichotomy.

00:26:27.320 It's frankly the offensive juxtaposition where you have Democrat members of Congress back-channeling with attorneys general talking about how they can work to flood the zone while somehow maintaining that all these AGs and the judges are only concerned with due process and rule of law.

00:26:45.440 I don't think that's quite true.

00:26:46.680 But meanwhile, you have Republican AGs who seemingly don't even have the phone numbers of Speaker Johnson or members of Congress because they're having to grovel to them like lobbyists writing letters.

00:26:58.140 For example, in February, you had over a dozen or so state AGs write a letter saying essentially, hey, we know that you guys, Congress, your, you know, COVID committee gathered some interesting information that I guess they're a little late to the war room we've been talking about for years.

00:27:11.940 But we're happy to volunteer and help participate to actually bring criminal charges against Anthony Fauci.

00:27:18.960 Crickets, nothing happened after that.

00:27:21.140 And I think that just speaks, that is quite an illustrative example of the asymmetric warfare that we have, not even coming from the Democrats, but coming from our own side, because they're unwilling to actually engage.

00:27:34.200 Look, Steve, they are threatening to throw the president of the United States and his advisors, hold them in contempt of not Congress, in your case, but of court.

00:27:43.240 We have people, dozens, hundreds, thousands of people who helped orchestrate an invasion of this country, who helped wage lawfare against a former president, who targeted, persecuted, prosecuted thousands of MAGA supporters.

00:27:57.200 And we can't even bring one frickin' indictment, please.

00:28:01.940 I know, I know.

00:28:03.020 Hang on for a second.

00:28:05.400 We got more coming out of Switzerland next with Natalie Winters.

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00:29:46.120 Welcome back.

00:29:47.140 Natalie, we have other news to break about deportations.

00:29:50.620 Let's get to that.

00:29:51.300 And then I want to talk about WHO, one of our favorite topics, although we're out of it.

00:29:55.340 Not so fast, folks.

00:29:56.680 What do you got for us on deportation?

00:29:58.240 Today we had a big thing with Todd Benson.

00:29:59.820 People's heads were blown up.

00:30:00.980 We're quite nervous about – we're taking so much flack and not pushing back hard enough, I don't think.

00:30:08.000 Right now we need to because we can't – President Trump is digging in.

00:30:11.160 He ain't budging on this.

00:30:12.240 We got to get messaging down and just ban it out, not falter on this because as we did today with Todd Benson, we have at least 3.6 million either have been ordered out or these phony exemptions that got a burning off, and President Trump has written that.

00:30:33.640 Also might note on 15 May, the Supreme Court wants to hear arguments on birthright citizenship.

00:30:38.000 So this thing's all coming together.

00:30:39.560 What do you got for us about the FBI?

00:30:40.900 Well, speaking of another vertical where Congress has let us down, of course, their weaponization committee, people may remember the wonderful and intrepid whistleblower Steve Friend.

00:30:51.520 He's been on the show and has a wonderful podcast.

00:30:54.140 But I was actually just speaking with him, and he wanted me to communicate rather exclusively to the audience some really major concerns about how the FBI and certain rogue agents,

00:31:04.400 but particularly at the supervisor and management level, are really working to obstruct the deportation, the mass deportation agenda.

00:31:13.300 So I want to walk you through this sort of in pieces.

00:31:16.220 So first and foremost, FBI agents, so these are the sort of rank and file, are actually being given the option to opt out of participating in deportation raids if they do not align with, say, their personal or political beliefs.

00:31:34.300 And the people who are letting them or enabling them to opt out come at sort of the squad supervisor or field office special agent in charge level.

00:31:44.620 And in at least two cases, Steve was relaying to me how a lot of these sort of left-wing FBI, which is more concentrated at the management level or the sort of supervisory roles,

00:31:57.520 that they were saying people who participated in these raids, they were comparing them to Nazis trying to create a culture whereby these agents wouldn't necessarily want to participate in these raids to begin with.

00:32:09.360 And then when you come to the city of Phoenix and why it's important, sort of the city-by-city basis, the justification that they had been given saying that, oh, well, you can opt out of these deportation raids if you'd like,

00:32:22.740 is because they were saying that it only applied to certain cities, the big ones, right, Chicago, New York, L.A.

00:32:28.360 But if you're in a smaller city, that that was sort of your justification for not having to participate.

00:32:32.880 But when Deputy Director Dan Bongino was visiting the Phoenix offices, I guess some of the agents had wanted to invite him to participate in an ICE raid where FBI was going to be joining them.

00:32:45.900 But supervisors there actually said no.

00:32:50.020 And perhaps Deputy Director Bongino did not want to join again.

00:32:53.140 This is not coming from Bongino.

00:32:54.500 This is coming from the supervisors in these offices, said that's not going to happen.

00:32:59.420 And they actually ceased all deportation raid activities that day to have everyone in the office to, you know, meet with Bongino.

00:33:08.240 But in practice, Steve was saying that a lot of his sources, so these are people who are still working in the FBI in some cases, you know, his former colleagues,

00:33:16.180 that there was one incident where there was a text chain between a staff supervisor, squad supervisor,

00:33:22.640 when a team of FBI agents were supposed to be en route and joining ICE officials, ICE agents in a deportation raid.

00:33:31.100 ICE thought that FBI was going to be coming and assisting them.

00:33:34.740 But this supervisor said, no, we're actually not.

00:33:37.360 And they left ICE stranded without the FBI support staff that they wanted.

00:33:41.800 You know, this is not good because we talked about today, we've got an ICE shortage.

00:33:48.260 We have, you know, we're talking about using sheriffs and using local resources, $170 billion to rebuild this.

00:33:53.520 The other thing we talked about is training personnel.

00:33:55.280 This is why I said, yo, the time this looks like it's going to really happen is in 2026.

00:34:00.960 Last time I looked, that's a midterm election year and the media is going to be all over this.

00:34:04.700 So we need all hands on deck right now.

00:34:07.340 This is serious.

00:34:08.040 Look at the firestorm they're creating on sending the worst criminals in America out of here and President Trump doing his job as commander in chief.

00:34:18.120 We'll get more on more on this.

00:34:20.380 I want to go to something that Frank Gaffney and the team of the Sovereignty Coalition brought up to me.

00:34:24.400 And I'll try to get some of those folks on either through the Easter weekend or next week.

00:34:29.960 But they've been warning because since we punched out of one of the President Trump's first acts was punching out of the World Health Organization, it's still going to take a while to get there right over a year.

00:34:42.140 They've assigned the pandemic treaty when people were not paying attention.

00:34:45.820 Not that we had anything to stop it.

00:34:48.240 We couldn't stop it because we're really not part of it anymore.

00:34:50.480 But what's the latest status on the pandemic treaty and how can it still – because you're very cynical at a young age about how they can get their hooks in citizens of the United States and the country of the United States of America, ma'am.

00:35:04.100 I think I'm justifiably cynical, if anything, probably still too bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

00:35:10.740 Read all the Chinese bear filings and you'll have my worldview too. 0.95

00:35:15.240 But no, this WHO thing, you know, just real quick, speaking of Marxists, I think the lack of CBP and FBI agents and the far-left ones at that, that is the culmination of what Black Lives Matter and that whole, you know, anti-police movement was meant to accomplish.

00:35:28.600 Amen.

00:35:28.620 And they got that, right?

00:35:29.660 But so on the 14th, the WHO sort of clandestinely, secretly announced that they were in the final stages of their negotiations for a draft pandemic treaty.

00:35:41.580 Of course, people recall, what is it, I think the 13 or so-plus meetings, iterations that they had drafted.

00:35:47.140 It was really a back-and-forth, a tug-of-war really between our audience.

00:35:51.900 If it weren't for our audience, if it weren't for the work of Frank Gaffney, this thing would have been through under Joe Biden.

00:35:57.000 A lot of his top advisors on the issue of public health actually not just had come from the World Health Organization, but were actually direct picks, probably first-round draft picks from the WHO pandemic treaty negotiating body itself.

00:36:10.520 But so now at least they have the final draft, which is going to be presented to the World Health Assembly in May, so not that far away, for potential ratification.

00:36:20.480 And I won't even paraphrase or be hyperbolic, I will directly quote what I guess are supposed to be the more mundane, not as radical in your face policy propositions that this document supports, including, but not limited to, establishing a pathogen access and benefit sharing system, taking concrete measures on pandemic prevention, including through a One Health approach, building geographically diverse research and development capacities,

00:36:49.960 facilitating the transfer of technology and related knowledge skills and expertise for the production of pandemic-related health products, mobilizing a skilled, trained, and multidisciplinary national and global health emergency workforce, setting up a coordinating financial mechanism, and taking concrete measures to strengthen preparedness, readiness, and health system functions and resilience, and establishing a global supply chain and logistics network translation on all of that.

00:37:18.920 First and foremost, first and foremost, the coordinated financial mechanism, whereby they provide no further elucidation on what that means, is extremely concerning, given that WHO is proclivity for all things digital identity and digital banking.

00:37:32.340 But the term One Health approach is something that really emanated out of Anthony Fauci's, you know, NIAID worldview.

00:37:39.140 It's very eco-health alliance, the idea that all countries are the same, that viruses can transcend borders.

00:37:44.640 So, therefore, we need to treat them collectively and comprehensively.

00:37:48.760 I also think you see a lot of that pandemic, you know, predictive programming, which, let's not mistake that this treaty was finalized more or less a few days, plus or minus, when Anthony Fauci was out there hitting the airwaves, saying that another pandemic is going to be coming.

00:38:03.080 I think the other really concerning thing on this front is that there's no explicit outlaw or idea that the Chinese Communist Party should not be engaged in pathogen sharing, especially as this trade war heats up, but precisely gain-of-function research.

00:38:17.540 And if you read the quotes, which I will, from the co-chairs of the group that was supervising this, it sounds truly, I know we like to use the word Marxist a lot, but I think it really is a fair characterization, a very collectivist worldview, which I think we learned from COVID, the not just downfalls, but utter societal collapse-inducing downfalls of a collectivist mindset.

00:38:39.300 So just listen to these, I am overjoyed by the coming together of countries from all regions of the world around a proposal to increase equity, while the commitment to prevention through the One Health approach is a major step forward in protecting populations, the response will be faster, more effective, and more equitable.

00:38:58.580 This is a historic agreement for health security, equity, and international solidarity.

00:39:04.740 I feel like I'm quoting Karl Marx, but I'm just quoting the WHO.

00:39:09.300 Unbelievable.

00:39:12.120 Real quickly, NGOs, they're going to keep our, they're going to keep, so we don't get a free pass on this, right?

00:39:16.940 The NGOs are going to be all over trying to capture American citizens with these passports and the country itself.

00:39:25.000 Well, how can we avoid this?

00:39:27.080 Well, there's another article we can put up on screen talking about how just the week prior, the WHO brought a bunch of countries and NGOs together

00:39:35.960 to test what they call a collective pandemic response, where they said it was 15 countries, 20 regional health agencies,

00:39:43.740 and the vague term of a bunch of health emergency networks and, quote, other partners to test.

00:39:49.600 And if you want to put Denver, the other picture up on screen, it's a map of the countries that were involved, their sort of collectivist mentality of what it means to fight pandemics.

00:39:58.320 You know, the, what was it, one in a hundred year pandemics that seem to be happening now once every five year pandemics.

00:40:04.180 The United States is listed as one of the key nodes.

00:40:06.780 It has that little triangle, which means they have their hooks.

00:40:09.820 So much like the immigration stuff, much like I think a lot of this trade war stuff, the Trump administration can do what they're going to do

00:40:17.460 and Democrats are going to oppose them and sort of the political, you know, theater of war.

00:40:21.620 But these NGOs are just straight up disrespecting and not answering or heeding to what the Trump administration did in terms of pulling federal funding

00:40:31.140 and just our, you know, entrance to the WHO.

00:40:34.740 I would advocate, I mean, maybe sanction the WHO, make it a, you know, persona non grata so these NGOs can't even collaborate with them.

00:40:41.720 But that's sort of how the WHO has worked from the get-go, right?

00:40:45.760 The government involvement is sort of tertiary or I think quaternary to any of the agenda that they've been able to really rule out here.

00:40:53.060 So they might not have buy-in from the president, but they have buy-in from these weird, you know, pseudo-government-funded NGOs,

00:41:00.000 though I guess oxymoronic, makes really no sense.

00:41:04.360 But all of these NGOs are really pushing ahead.

00:41:07.220 If you read their press releases, they're really trying to combat what is the reduction, they say, in foreign aid.

00:41:12.740 So that'll be the sort of backdoor approach.

00:41:15.140 And frankly, I mean, you see it in their statements.

00:41:17.560 There's no respect for sovereignty.

00:41:19.300 You would think if they cared, they tried to be a little tacit or cagey about what they're saying.

00:41:23.160 They're straight up talking about, you know, an international equity and collectivist mindset to fight pandemics together.

00:41:30.480 There's no caveat, no asterisk on there that says the United States.

00:41:36.560 Amen.

00:41:37.340 Natalie, where did we get you on social media?

00:41:41.080 Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.

00:41:42.880 Thank you for having me.

00:41:46.360 Tremendous.

00:41:47.020 Great report.

00:41:47.940 We got time.

00:41:48.860 We got time.

00:41:49.460 Let's play the – something happened at Florida State.

00:41:51.320 We're going to play this, and Sheila Matthews is going to join us after the break. 0.96

00:41:54.660 Do we have time?

00:41:55.900 Okay, let's go ahead and hit it. 0.99

00:41:59.380 Shooting multiple individuals in the vicinity of the Student Union Building.

00:42:03.740 FSU police responded immediately, engaged, neutralized, and apprehended the shooter.

00:42:11.120 Two victims of deceased are deceased, and five individuals have been transported to a local hospital with gunshot wounds.

00:42:19.620 The shooter has also been transported to a local hospital.

00:42:23.960 The two deceased are not students.

00:42:26.960 And we understand that you all have been devastated because of this person's actions.

00:42:32.360 The question as it relates to who is the shooter, the shooter is 20-year-old Phoenix Eichner, and he's the son of a Lennon County Sheriff deputy.

00:42:46.860 Our deputy, Deputy Eichner, has been with the Lennon County Sheriff's Office for over 18 years.

00:42:56.020 She has a tremendous job that she's done.

00:43:00.980 Her service to this community has been exceptional.

00:43:02.840 Unfortunately, her son had access to one of her weapons, and that was one of the weapons that was found at the scene.

00:43:15.000 And we are continuing that investigation into how that weapon was used and what other weapons perhaps he may have had access to.

00:43:23.400 Okay, kind of bizarre what happened down at Florida State today.

00:43:29.500 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:43:30.840 We're going to break it down for you with Sheila Matthews.

00:43:33.480 We return.

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00:44:49.880 Okay, gold still on 3,300 today.

00:44:52.420 Dow down, I don't know, 500, 600.

00:44:54.800 Another down day for the Dow.

00:44:56.500 A lot of turbulence.

00:44:57.440 Besant's cutting deal is said today in the Oval with the president at that press avail, and the Italian leader of the Italian government was there.

00:45:06.880 She can't really cut deals because it's part of the EU, but the Japanese, the East Asians are with Besant.

00:45:13.440 Japan, I think, was in two days ago.

00:45:16.460 Korea, we know, is coming. 1.00

00:45:17.820 We're going to deal with – we're going to talk about what's happening in Korea at the top of the hour here in a few minutes.

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00:46:17.380 Sheila Matthews is with us.

00:46:20.380 Sheila, Abel Child, you've been all over these shootings, and we're not saying Florida State had anything to do with it,

00:46:27.720 but, you know, it's a son of what looks like a single mom or something, and he took her weapon.

00:46:32.820 It's been very disturbing.

00:46:34.100 The pattern you've seen in a lot of these, what is that, ma'am?

00:46:36.700 We're missing information, the mental health records, and this is a pattern throughout these mass killings, and it affects us all.

00:46:48.120 It doesn't matter where this child came from.

00:46:51.420 What we need to know is the mental health records and who the treating psychiatrist is because we have seen a pattern of suppression by lawmakers of providing this information.

00:47:04.260 And so it's imperative because it's a public health safety issue, and they're hiding behind HIPAA.

00:47:11.600 They're basically saying because of HIPAA we can't get access to this, but there's exceptions, and one is public safety.

00:47:19.200 So this is just a continuation of, like, Parkland shooting where we suppressed all those mental health records.

00:47:29.480 Adam Lanza and Sandy Hook, our organization, sued for that information, which is still being withheld.

00:47:37.100 And so now we have another tragedy, and the fact of the matter is these drugs have been flagged since 1991,

00:47:45.720 and we had to wait 13 years for a black box, a suicide warning.

00:47:50.840 So, you know, do I trust this industry?

00:47:53.360 Absolutely not.

00:47:54.780 And we need to find out who the treating psychiatrist is.

00:47:58.260 We're not saying that this young adult 20-year-old was on these psychiatric drugs,

00:48:05.580 but if we got the New York bill passed in 2000, we would already have that information.

00:48:11.640 And they already know that, Steve, as of right now, what his mental health records are

00:48:17.920 and who the treating psychiatrist is, if any.

00:48:21.900 You know, we're not saying this is all linked, but we have to look at this data.

00:48:28.520 It is a correlation because every mass shooting we've looked at,

00:48:34.380 it's always related to a cocktail of psychiatric drugs that these kids are on.

00:48:41.640 What can we do to unsuppress this?

00:48:45.940 We've got about a minute and a half.

00:48:47.280 I'll have you back on.

00:48:49.160 What do we have to do now?

00:48:50.900 What do you want this audience to do to either learn more or to go talk to somebody?

00:48:55.320 Because there is a pattern here, and there's clearly things being suppressed.

00:48:58.580 So what are we supposed to do about it?

00:48:59.800 Well, right now we need signatures on our petition on ablechild.org for federal hearings.

00:49:07.360 I'm glad that the president is looking into this and is being kept abreast of the situation.

00:49:13.120 But the governor of Florida needs to come out and tell us that he's investigating the link to the mental health records.

00:49:20.860 And so that would be a first step.

00:49:24.000 And we're waiting for the governor of Tennessee to pass the first-of-its-kind law that we just got passed to test dead shooters.

00:49:33.860 This kid is alive.

00:49:36.120 But we still need that information.

00:49:38.780 And the treating psychiatrist should be held to account.

00:49:41.720 Like, come and tell us what you gave this kid.

00:49:44.560 And the mom should come out and tell us what she gave her son, if anything.

00:49:51.420 This is part of the investigation.

00:49:53.620 This has to be standard operating procedures, Steve, that we get these mental health records and we stop suppressing them.

00:50:01.760 Because there is no HIPAA law that prevents you after you commit a crime that we can't see your records.

00:50:10.720 Sheila, where do people go to get more information?

00:50:13.040 How do they find out about ablechild?

00:50:14.220 Because you guys are all over this dangerous mix of this cocktail that are given particularly to young men.

00:50:20.480 I don't want to say, hey, it's anything related to autism.

00:50:22.840 But there are no coincidences.

00:50:25.580 Where do they go?

00:50:28.040 Ablechild.org.

00:50:29.560 Ablechild.org.

00:50:30.720 And please, we really want your help.

00:50:33.920 Sign our petition and let us get some federal hearings.

00:50:37.540 Let's get the attention of the White House.

00:50:39.480 Are we going to continue to deal with these killings in our churches, in our schools, and in the malls?

00:50:46.500 I don't think so.

00:50:47.540 I think we have to demand answers.

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Bannon's War Room - April 17, 2025

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