Bannon's War Room - Episode 4442： Special Coverage： The Funeral Of Pope Francis

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00:03:53.340 Good morning.

00:04:15.300 Saturday, 26th of April, Anno Domini, 2025.

00:04:19.140 We've got the Papal Funeral Special Edition here for you today.

00:04:23.640 Steve Bannon is out on special assignment.

00:04:27.060 So we had the opening scenes there from the Requiem playing in the background of Pope Francis's funeral that took place a few hours ago in Rome, not far away from me.

00:04:37.120 We're going to be breaking down on the show today what this means for the Catholic Church generally, what this means for American Catholics, for America, for the wider fight for Western civilization.

00:04:49.340 Let's start straight away with Liz Yor, an old friend of the War Room.

00:04:53.460 Liz, I know you've been involved for many years now.

00:04:56.140 I think you founded your organization, Your Children, with a special emphasis on protecting the integrity of human rights with regards to kids,

00:05:04.540 a role that I think the Catholic Church has a unique voice to play on there.

00:05:09.460 Firstly, I gather you up quite early this morning to watch the Papal Funeral.

00:05:14.000 What were your first impressions watching that as a Catholic?

00:05:17.480 Yes, as an Irish woman, I got up at 2 a.m. to see the last hurrah, as we Irish call it.

00:05:25.260 And my first impression was, of course, the beauty and dignity of the Catholic liturgical service, the funeral mass,

00:05:33.340 the magnificence of St. Peter's Square, the priests, the bishops, the cardinals, and, of course, reflecting on these last dozen years of this pontifical regime.

00:05:48.620 You know, very few people know that I met Francis and was in his presence for about 20 minutes early on his papacy in 2013.

00:05:58.720 I attended his human trafficking conference, and I might say I was a big fan of Francis.

00:06:03.020 And when I attended it, I realized, to my shock and horror, that this was going to be a radical, radical papacy.

00:06:12.940 They were describing human trafficking as a result of none other than climate change.

00:06:18.660 So at that point, I recognized that I had to keep my eye on this papacy, on Francis, and really watch it closely and investigate everything that's happened.

00:06:30.960 So I didn't start out being a critic of Francis, on the contrary.

00:06:34.400 But after 12 years, you know, there's a saying that God puts right at night the mess that Argentines make by the day. 1.00

00:06:44.680 So I guess the real question is, is this Argentine had 12 years to make messes in the church? 1.00

00:06:51.620 And the question is, is are the cardinals and the conclave willing to clean up the mess or to carry on the chaos?

00:06:59.940 I was extremely concerned by the homily by Cardinal Ray, the dean of the cardinals.

00:07:08.740 I felt it was instead of a opportunity to evangelize about the beauty of the faith and what this moment in, you know, when a person is handed to God for judgment, what this means in our Catholic tradition.

00:07:24.500 And instead, he used that opportunity to promote and celebrate the political agenda of Francis, specifically the mass on the border of the United States and Mexico in 2015,

00:07:39.180 which I personally know and have researched, was the result of Ted McCarrick, the serial predator, had arranged this mass to promote mass immigration.

00:07:52.380 And frankly, it was the trial run for the mass immigration we saw.

00:07:55.760 And here is Trump sitting there with his wife at the funeral.

00:08:00.700 Liz, let me stop you there, because you mentioned a couple of things that I want to dig down on.

00:08:05.400 Firstly, however, you mentioned the conclave, and I want to come back to the presence of President Trump in a moment.

00:08:12.400 But you mentioned the forthcoming conclave.

00:08:16.660 When we spoke last night, you mentioned something to me about this secret Vatican agreement with the CCP, with China,

00:08:28.560 which presumably contains a text that's so toxic, the toxicity of which that text has never been received.

00:08:38.900 Tell me a bit what you were telling me last night about what your plan is between now and the conclave regarding that secret Vatican deal.

00:08:49.900 Well, frankly, I don't like to talk about the sweepstakes of who's the papabile.

00:08:54.040 I think the more important thing is to talk about the issues.

00:08:57.600 And number one issue is the exposure and release of the terms of this catastrophic secret China deal

00:09:06.160 that has been a millstone around the neck of the Catholic Church in China, the faithful underground church.

00:09:13.760 And I think, you know, that it is absolutely essential that before a pope is elected by the conclave,

00:09:22.140 that there needs to be a test as to what they will do with the China agreement.

00:09:27.740 It needs to be exposed to the light of day.

00:09:30.600 It's been renewed three times.

00:09:33.000 It has caused untold suffering, persecution in China and among Christians and Catholics,

00:09:40.700 the arresting of bishops and laity and priests, the detaining and torturing of them.

00:09:47.500 I want to see—now, we've already had Filipino Bishop Tagle say he supports the deal, the secret deal.

00:09:57.300 I think, to me, that that's a disqualifier.

00:10:00.280 Same thing with Parolin, the secretary of state, who was the architect of the China deal.

00:10:06.120 This is a disaster.

00:10:08.700 It needs to be absolutely revoked, declared null and void.

00:10:14.380 There needs to be a formal apology to the Chinese Catholics and Christians by the Catholic Church, 1.00

00:10:22.060 by the conclave, by the next pope.

00:10:24.460 That is the first order of business.

00:10:26.680 So my hope is that the sweepstakes are about the issues that have plagued the church in the last 12 years

00:10:34.680 and to right those issues and right the ship of state.

00:10:40.300 Liz, what were you mentioning about President Trump's presence there?

00:10:46.460 Because I know he's come under some criticism from traditionalist Catholics

00:10:51.400 for going to the funeral of a man who clearly loathed him, hated him, and used every opportunity he had

00:10:58.980 to undermine President Trump and his MAGA agenda.

00:11:03.080 What's your take on that?

00:11:04.060 Could you just give me just two minutes before we head into the break?

00:11:07.240 Sure.

00:11:07.860 You know, there was a lot of talk about Francis the Merciful, wasn't it?

00:11:11.780 Although he repeatedly pilloried the pious, he demeaned holy people, he criticized Trump as unchristian,

00:11:21.780 he got very involved and interfered in the political campaigns of 2016, 2020, and 2024.

00:11:28.860 And yet the merciful one, it seems to me, is Donald Trump, who graciously with his wife attended the funeral.

00:11:37.160 And that, to me, despite, you know, really being excoriated by Francis and criticizing Trump's efforts to restore safety to the border,

00:11:50.120 to deport illegals, he has been in a, you know, basically an intellectual wrestling match with Francis.

00:11:59.340 And yet, nevertheless, he shows up as did, actually, the Argentine president.

00:12:04.920 But I think it just indicates the heart of Donald Trump, that he's willing to forgive and move forward.

00:12:13.860 And, of course, the respect he has for the Catholic Church as an important institution,

00:12:19.940 not only in global politics, but in the life of each and every citizen of the world.

00:12:27.820 Liz, so you're basically, your thesis is, is that President Trump's presence there at the funeral

00:12:33.160 shouldn't be misconstrued is more showing reverence and respect to the office of the papacy

00:12:40.280 rather than its, its recently departed occupant.

00:12:45.060 Yes, that's right.

00:12:46.020 We know Francis was a hardened political operative,

00:12:50.160 that his vast agenda were the global politics of the elite of the new world order.

00:12:57.480 He promoted those from the moment he stepped out on the loggia.

00:13:02.300 And so, nevertheless, it was Trump who put aside politics and political hurts and disagreements

00:13:09.760 and respected, I think, the Catholic Church and the position of the papacy as an institution that requires

00:13:18.120 his presence there, showed honor for the office, as well as respect for Catholics.

00:13:26.060 And he said, you know, I have a lot of Catholic supporters, both in my administration and supporters.

00:13:33.380 Stand by this.

00:13:34.160 We'll be coming back to you just after this quick reportage from the funeral itself

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00:17:37.060 Welcome back to the papal funeral special.

00:17:47.360 Ben Harnwell here at the helm filling in for Steve Bannon.

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00:18:51.520 Okay, so my next guest, Philip Willen, is, along with Tom Kington,

00:18:59.040 one of the two legendary Rome correspondents for the Times of London.

00:19:05.500 Philip, welcome on to the show. I think this is your first time on the show.

00:19:08.240 You've got this great article out right now, headlined,

00:19:12.660 Trump's allies hope a firm friend will emerge from the Sistine Chapel.

00:19:17.600 Good morning, welcome. Tell me what the thesis of your article is in a few words,

00:19:24.360 and then we'll break it down.

00:19:27.340 Well, in essence, the article is about concerns over who might be in a position

00:19:36.400 to influence the outcome of the conclave for political reasons.

00:19:43.500 And obviously, we've seen that with modern technology and almost unlimited financial resources,

00:19:52.500 people can sway democratic elections in countries, despite the scale and the difficulty.

00:20:04.240 Obviously, the role of Elon Musk in the elections in the United States,

00:20:09.820 unlimited money and control of X must have had some influence on the outcome.

00:20:17.700 So the departure point was what sort of risks might there be that external temporal powers

00:20:25.680 could exert an influence over the outcome of the deliberations of the cardinals.

00:20:31.360 And that was the point of departure for my analysis.

00:20:38.020 And I found particularly interesting a theory put forward by Alberto Meloni,

00:20:47.220 who's an eminent church historian, about the possibility of what he called a Carolingian option,

00:20:56.200 which goes back to the days of Charlemagne, when in the Holy Roman Empire,

00:21:04.460 the emperor confirmed the pope in his position, and the pope would consecrate the emperor.

00:21:13.980 And the danger that Meloni indicated was that you could have a modern equivalent today

00:21:22.080 if you have a figure arriving at a kind of imperial status in a position to exert undue influence over the church.

00:21:37.560 And in this case, in Meloni's view, this kind of imperial role could fall to Donald Trump

00:21:45.000 and J.D. Vance, who visited the pope, in fact, just on the day before he died.

00:21:52.740 So this is obviously going to be news, Philip, that will strike fear into the heart of progressive liberal journalists,

00:22:01.260 but have MAGA applauding and cheering as they're listening to this.

00:22:05.040 So it's actually a prospect for your thesis in this article.

00:22:09.260 And we'll have the link up for everyone if they want to go after the show and read it.

00:22:13.660 I strongly recommend it. It's a great article.

00:22:16.080 So you're basically suggesting then that it's not beyond the realms of feasibility

00:22:22.660 that Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, might be able to put their thumb on the scale, perhaps,

00:22:30.100 in some way in the future conclave.

00:22:33.660 Yes, that's the sort of starting point of the theory.

00:22:42.540 I think in this case, as you, in fact, had mentioned to me when we spoke earlier,

00:22:50.680 the chances of a genuinely conservative candidate coming out on top are rather remote.

00:22:58.860 Obviously, Francis has appointed 80 percent of the cardinals in the College of Cardinals with the right to vote now.

00:23:09.020 So it's unlikely that they're going to turn their backs on his progressive agenda.

00:23:16.580 But it is a question looking further to the future, how temporal powers could interfere with the activities of the Roman Catholic Church

00:23:30.600 in a world which is transformed by developments in technology, artificial intelligence and money,

00:23:40.560 huge concentrations of money in the hands of tech magnates.

00:23:46.320 So going forward, temporal power in the form of the president of an enormously powerful country

00:23:57.680 or people with a strong political agenda, but who are also interested in the influence of the Catholic Church,

00:24:06.460 that that's potentially, to my mind, a source of threat to the purity and genuineness of people who run the church

00:24:19.740 and should be running it purely on spiritual lines and not on political lines.

00:24:27.400 I'd apply your opposing words there directly as a criticism of Pope Francis.

00:24:34.860 But here's a question I have for you, because you spent many decades, in fact, most of your life, if I'm not mistaken, in Rome.

00:24:40.940 You're an old hand there. 0.84

00:24:42.220 Tell me something about this particular papal death and the reaction to it in Rome.

00:24:48.280 Do you think it's different in tenor, say, perhaps, to the death of John Paul II?

00:24:54.280 I think it's been very interesting, actually, to see what has happened and the reaction of people in Rome.

00:25:06.340 I think there has been an enormous outpouring of sympathy for Pope Francis,

00:25:13.280 partly because, due to the transparency that he himself insisted on,

00:25:19.800 we were given an enormous amount of information about what a bad time he had in hospital when he was very seriously ill

00:25:29.640 and twice came close to dying.

00:25:33.080 And we heard from his doctors, in unusual detail, exactly how gruelling that had been.

00:25:41.100 So I think there was a lot of sympathy for him that came out of that.

00:25:48.380 And I think people also were impressed by the fact that he continued working and effectively,

00:25:55.520 or one doesn't know how effectively, but in principle running the church,

00:26:01.760 signing documents when he was very ill in hospital

00:26:05.640 and, on occasion, only able to sign with his initial F for Franciscus.

00:26:13.200 But he kept the documents coming out.

00:26:15.820 He couldn't speak, but he kept teaching and ruling,

00:26:22.220 despite his very, very serious condition in hospital.

00:26:25.320 I think people were struck by that, and he was very much admired for it.

00:26:32.700 And again, the follow-up to that was his last appearance on Easter Sunday,

00:26:41.560 where, again, he was in very poor shape, clearly suffering,

00:26:46.600 but he insisted on delivering his blessing, Oudby at Ordby,

00:26:53.260 and then travelling around St. Peter's Square in the Popemobile,

00:26:58.060 blessing babies just hours away from his death.

00:27:01.700 I think people were very struck by the courage that he showed and the determination,

00:27:06.720 the fact that he had no intention of resigning the papacy.

00:27:10.540 He was going to keep playing the role of Pope, really to the bitter end.

00:27:17.580 I think people were struck by that.

00:27:19.140 And a final thing, if I might, it was interesting that his decision,

00:27:26.100 he went against tradition, deciding not to live in the Vatican,

00:27:31.880 where previous popes had lived.

00:27:33.600 And he also decided not to be buried where most recent popes had been buried,

00:27:39.820 in the crypt of St. Peter's.

00:27:42.300 And this led to him coming out once again in the Popemobile,

00:27:47.500 crossing Rome, driving past the iconic sites of Rome, past the Colosseum,

00:27:54.260 and being greeted by the people of Rome,

00:27:57.080 who he had established a close relationship with,

00:28:00.160 because he used to go out to the shops and to visit friends

00:28:04.120 in a way that previous popes had not done.

00:28:07.080 Philip, stand by. We're back in 30 seconds.

00:28:09.200 I'm going to drill down on my question to you,

00:28:11.480 whether the degree of sentimentality and emotion

00:28:13.940 has been the same for Francis as it was for JP2.

00:28:17.440 Stay tuned. We're back in three minutes.

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00:30:23.320 This is the Papal Uneral Special. 0.80

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00:31:00.720 Back to Frederick Willen.

00:31:02.820 Phil, I just want to ask you this question before you go,

00:31:07.760 because I know no one's been in Rome for as long as you have.

00:31:11.040 Tell me, because you were there for when John Paul II died.

00:31:14.060 This is something that we do want to drill down on,

00:31:17.060 the war in policy wants to drill down on.

00:31:18.820 Is there a difference in level of intensity

00:31:24.280 between the affections, say, sentimentality, say, emotions

00:31:30.120 displayed at the death of Francis compared to that of John Paul II?

00:31:35.220 I think it's difficult to answer that question.

00:31:41.940 Clearly, the degree of grief that people feel varies.

00:31:47.320 Some people, particularly close, personally close to the Pope,

00:31:52.300 obviously are extremely upset.

00:31:56.060 Huge crowds have come out to bid him farewell.

00:31:59.900 But I think what has been interesting is that despite the sad occasion of a death,

00:32:12.000 the mood has been quite upbeat, and possibly also the very large crowds,

00:32:19.480 because a lot of pilgrims were in Rome in any case for the Jubilee,

00:32:28.740 and in particular this weekend for the canonization of Carlo Acutis.

00:32:36.160 So a lot of young people who were in Rome for the canonization of the first millennial saint

00:32:43.920 and found that instead they were going to the funeral of the Pope.

00:32:50.000 But it did mean that there was a really quite positive atmosphere,

00:32:57.160 and I think a feeling that people were encouraged by the Christian message

00:33:04.140 that the end of life on earth was not the end of everything for believers.

00:33:13.680 So I think obviously there was grief.

00:33:17.920 There was a very big crowd.

00:33:20.160 But there was a sort of upbeat atmosphere at the end of the day.

00:33:27.420 And I might also mention that the Italian authorities really handled

00:33:34.580 what was a logistics nightmare with great skill.

00:33:39.460 They got huge crowds into and out of St. Peter's Square in an orderly manner.

00:33:48.440 They got in the world leaders from across the globe in an orderly manner,

00:33:56.840 and they handled this very delicate, massive operation with great skill and tact.

00:34:06.460 So I think they deserve praise for the way they carried it off.

00:34:13.220 And also I think it was interesting to see the photographs of Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Zelensky

00:34:24.940 and President Macron of France and Prime Minister Starmer of the United Kingdom

00:34:31.320 in St. Peter's Basilica before the beginning of the funeral,

00:34:35.920 and also the one-on-one meeting that he had with Zelensky to discuss the war in Ukraine.

00:34:44.060 I know that Pope Francis, in his spiritual testament,

00:34:50.380 talked of dedicating the suffering at the end of his life to the cause of world peace.

00:34:58.200 And the fact that these leaders could come together to discuss trying to end a very bloody

00:35:07.380 and destructive war in Ukraine, actually in St. Peter's Basilica itself,

00:35:16.020 on the occasion of his funeral, hopefully trying to find an intelligent peace solution for the war,

00:35:24.600 if that actually brought that closer, one could think of it almost as a miracle worked by the Pope

00:35:34.160 on this very extraordinary and historic occasion.

00:35:38.140 Listen, it's a perfect point to end on, but if you're going to try and use that as the miracle for canonisation,

00:35:46.520 I think a number of eyebrows are going to be raised in scepticism.

00:35:51.580 Philip Willen, thanks very much for coming on the show.

00:35:54.600 No-one has been saying Santo Subito that I'm aware of.

00:35:58.480 Nobody, nobody, nobody this time round.

00:36:01.480 Listen, where do people go to get your first-rate writings in the Times of London?

00:36:07.540 Where are you on social media?

00:36:10.640 I'm not particularly present on social media at all.

00:36:13.920 I'm a representative of the dinosaur generation.

00:36:19.440 So I think you just have to go to the website of the newspaper.

00:36:22.860 The Times.co.uk?

00:36:27.700 Yes, thetimes.co.uk.

00:36:32.160 Perfect.

00:36:32.880 Philip Willen, thanks very much indeed for joining us today for our papal funeral special.

00:36:38.600 My next guest is Frank Walker, the founder and editor of, I think, one of the most important news aggregators out there,

00:36:56.080 Canon 212, which is, to put it in simple terms,

00:37:00.520 and it's basically the traditional Catholic answer to the Drudge Report.

00:37:05.580 Frank, welcome on to the show.

00:37:07.360 Many people suggested to me, when I said that you were going to be on this morning,

00:37:12.340 that the two of us together, are we going to be,

00:37:17.560 OK, look, I've just heard that there's some technical issues, I think.

00:37:21.960 Do we have Frank, or should we cut back to Liz, your guys?

00:37:29.380 OK, there are technical issues.

00:37:31.360 Liz, let's come back to you.

00:37:34.480 You were listening to that discussion that we just had with Philip Willen from the Times

00:37:39.360 about Trump's allies' hope for a firm friend emerging from the Sistine Chapel.

00:37:45.780 What's your take on the case?

00:37:47.380 Do you think the administration has any reasonable chances

00:37:51.180 of finding someone who's going to support what they're trying to do,

00:37:55.140 trying to reverse, if you will, the present Catholic Church's position,

00:38:00.040 for example, on unrestricted illegal immigration,

00:38:04.320 or is this just happy talk?

00:38:09.360 Well, you know, I think the enemies to the Church are not from outside, but from within.

00:38:15.640 The St. Gallen Mafia, as we know, that was largely responsible for the election of Jorge Bergoglio,

00:38:23.280 came from modernist cardinals.

00:38:25.560 And I don't think for one minute that they're going to give up the power that they feel that

00:38:30.760 they have exerted in the last 12 years.

00:38:33.840 That may or may not have been in conjunction with the masters of the universe,

00:38:38.700 the globalists, I suspect it was.

00:38:41.480 But when you look at every single issue that has been promoted by Francis,

00:38:46.700 it's been really the gold standard of the globalists.

00:38:51.280 LGBT ideology, gender ideology, the Islamicization of Europe,

00:38:57.980 also the mass migration that has happened in the United States.

00:39:02.720 All of these are, you know, the radical agenda of the globalists.

00:39:07.460 I think the threat is going to continue from inside the Church.

00:39:11.320 By the way, you know, there's been reports that two years ago,

00:39:15.000 there was a reconstitution of the, what we call the St. Gallen Mafia,

00:39:19.720 in preparation for the next election, the next conclave.

00:39:24.620 So I don't have that kind of confidence that we are going to have a new change of leadership.

00:39:32.180 I hope and pray we are an Easter people.

00:39:34.740 We have hope.

00:39:35.900 But I cannot see the globalists who are embedded in the conclave.

00:39:41.720 And by the way, Pope Francis has appointed 80 percent of the cardinals who will be voting in this conclave.

00:39:49.360 So it's very likely that they share his globalist agenda.

00:39:55.780 Secondly, I would argue with Philip that this has not been the pope of dialogue or transparency.

00:40:03.040 He was highly secretive about his dealings with China.

00:40:09.340 He has refused to really disclose what actually went on with Ted McCarrick and China.

00:40:15.900 He has not been open about his, what I consider, he has been a papal predator protector for the last 12 years.

00:40:26.520 And so I'm very concerned about the victims of clergy abuse that have not been served by this pontificate.

00:40:36.480 And secondly, I would say, you know, that traditional Latin mass supporters have not had a hearing.

00:40:42.980 There's been no dialogue with them.

00:40:44.800 And they deserve a full hearing for with respect to the Latin mass, which is thriving and growing largely among young people.

00:40:55.280 So and if I might add, despite this best intentions to suppress that.

00:41:05.160 Can I just go back a bit to what you were saying before?

00:41:07.600 You said two things.

00:41:08.480 I just want to break that down.

00:41:09.960 And we've got like about a minute and a half.

00:41:11.740 What did you mean when you said that you think that the main dangerous threats to the Catholic Church are within rather than without?

00:41:19.260 And what were you referring to when you mentioned the St. Garland Mafia?

00:41:23.060 The St. Garland Mafia, Cardinal Daniels, who has since passed away, he's the cardinal of Brussels, Belgium, 0.82

00:41:30.200 and a number of other cardinals from Germany and from England, including Cardinal Ted McCarrick, the notorious sexual predator,

00:41:39.120 met repeatedly way back in the 1998s going forward to replace what they would consider to be the medieval pontificate of John Paul II

00:41:50.560 and impose a new modernist agenda on the Catholic Church.

00:41:55.620 They were not successful in 2005.

00:41:58.700 They had lobbied very hard for Bergoglio in 2005 election.

00:42:03.120 Benedict, who was clearly opposed to the globalist plan and would never have allowed the LGBT ideology 0.99

00:42:12.020 or the Islamicization of Europe to occur during his pontificate, was elected in 2005.

00:42:19.760 However, we know what happened in 2013, the shock of the world that Benedict stepped down,

00:42:26.260 and the election of Bergoglio.

00:42:29.600 And this is interesting.

00:42:30.660 When we hear all the talk about the Papabile, in 2013, Ben, there was no mention in the betting markets of Jorge Bergoglio.

00:42:39.420 He was number 40th on the list.

00:42:41.820 So what they did, what the St. Garland Mafia did, who lobbied and really politicked for Bergoglio,

00:42:48.160 they kept it close to the vest.

00:42:49.700 They counted their votes, and I think that's a warning shot for all of us right now,

00:42:55.400 that this may be going on as we speak.

00:42:58.600 So the sweepstakes that are going on with respect to Papabile need to have that cautionary tale,

00:43:05.560 that there may be a stalking horse out there, but the real modernist will come forward at the end.

00:43:13.500 Liz, hold on to that point.

00:43:14.980 We're going to come back to that later on in the show.

00:43:17.680 We've also got Frank Walker, John Yebb, and Sted Lucason coming up to break down the events of today

00:43:24.900 on this War Room Papal Funeral Special.

00:43:28.920 Stay with us.

00:43:29.600 We'll be back in just two minutes.

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00:45:55.460 What you can see on the screen there now is the casket of Pope Francis being led to his eventual resting place at St. Mary Major, break-proof condition.

00:46:07.360 He's not being buried at St. Peter's.

00:46:13.980 Okay, so my next guest, we'll carry him on over into the second hour, Frank Walker.

00:46:18.840 I'll give him the proper introduction again because the line collapsed, just as we were about to cut to him in the show.

00:46:24.700 Frank Walker, founder, editor of the Canon 212, which is a news aggregator site.

00:46:31.340 Really, I think of it as being the Catholic, the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic answer to the Drudge Report.

00:46:38.860 Absolutely essential viewing.

00:46:40.820 I go there several times a day just to see what's going on in Catholic circles.

00:46:45.420 When I was telling people that Frank was coming on the show today, they were joking with me,

00:46:49.920 my God, on the day of Pope Francis' funeral, are you guys going to be able to be reverent and respectful?

00:46:57.420 Well, I said, we can do reverence, we can do respectful, we can do mourning.

00:47:02.620 This is the war room.

00:47:04.840 I just want to say that there.

00:47:06.360 Okay.

00:47:07.040 So, Frank, holding on to those thoughts, what was the view today of the dead, heretical, anti-Pope in the Walker household?

00:47:18.480 Well, you know, I don't think that you could ever say it was reverent.

00:47:24.900 It's not really reverent.

00:47:26.140 I've heard those complaints this week, too.

00:47:28.000 And, you know, I just don't think it's good to have too much respect for things that are contemptible.

00:47:35.820 And, you know, Pope Francis is not a Catholic, and I find it, and I don't think I'm alone in this,

00:47:46.080 I find it a little upsetting to the things that he has done to the church.

00:47:50.660 And so I think it would be misleading to have reverence at a time when it's not really appropriate.

00:47:58.040 I don't want to be misleading.

00:47:59.080 I try to tell the truth.

00:48:00.100 So that's how I feel about this funeral.

00:48:03.600 I'm seeing him go into that beautiful church, St. Mary Major, that he went to all the time.

00:48:09.940 And I wish that he wasn't going to be put in there because though he was, you know, he went to Mary all the time.

00:48:20.860 He went to that church all the time, and he, you know, appeared reverent, and maybe he was prayerful with Mary.

00:48:30.600 Mary would have expected him to be a faithful follower of Christ and a good leader of the church.

00:48:35.820 And when I see that tomb in that place with all those holy things, I, you know, it's just disturbing.

00:48:46.920 Frank, nobody sees contemporary Catholic news breaking in real time and follows it as closely as you do.

00:48:56.960 You see literally all the headlines, and then you curate them, and you give it a little bit of analysis

00:49:02.700 as you put them up there on your site, can you want to tell me something?

00:49:08.420 How do you think the formal Catholic press has conducted itself during the last 12 years of the Francis, inverted commas, papacy, inverted commas?

00:49:22.440 Do you compare that, if you will, to the mainstream media's coverage of Francis?

00:49:29.800 Because my take on this is actually, and I'm never a person normally that will say much positive about the mainstream media,

00:49:37.920 but it tends to be that their analysis of what's going on in Rome is more reliable.

00:49:42.980 But anything with the word Catholic in it is going to deliberately try to mislead you.

00:49:48.680 Now, you're the expert on this.

00:49:50.000 What do you think?

00:49:50.760 Well, I see what you mean about the mainline press, and we try to get the secular press involved if it has something that's related.

00:50:02.880 The Catholic press is just really, really hard to get a straight fact out of, right?

00:50:08.480 This week, they've been, I think, just terrible.

00:50:12.360 And I'm glad that there's someplace for the people to go there where they can get the distilled news.

00:50:17.580 You have to distill a lot more.

00:50:18.960 It was all gushing.

00:50:20.580 I mean, it was stories about how, you know, Francis, like one of the probability, Colonel Zuppi said,

00:50:27.240 we're, be on fire with the love of the Francis.

00:50:30.900 You know, they have always had this element of worship because the people of worshiping Francis,

00:50:37.240 of Francis being sort of like a demigod, because in so many ways, he's replacing the church. 0.76

00:50:42.300 And to replace the church, he needs to elevate himself to a high level.

00:50:45.720 So, oh, when I hugged the Francis and I was a cripple, I quivered and I felt a great warmth.

00:50:53.100 That's the kind of thing that you get out of the Catholic press right now.

00:50:58.000 You can't get any facts.

00:50:59.360 You know, there is a wide, no, for sure.

00:51:03.560 It is just sort of pure unrestrained sentimentality right now.

00:51:08.040 It's mostly unreadable.

00:51:09.380 There is, look, we've got a minute to the break and then if you wouldn't mind staying on into the second hour.

00:51:14.680 There is a wider point, you know, when you mentioned this about the role of the Pope in popular Catholic imagination,

00:51:22.300 especially in the modern era, especially in the era of modern communications, things, you know,

00:51:28.000 and it hasn't started with Francis, arguably start with JP2.

00:51:33.820 You know, these are just exacerbations along the road.

00:51:36.640 You could arguably say it started under Pius XII.

00:51:39.360 But this massive concentration towards the role of the Pope in contemporary Catholic prayer lives and imaginations,

00:51:48.880 that wasn't there for the previous 1,900 years because there was no means for it to be there.

00:51:55.680 Give me your 30 seconds on that and then we'll carry on after the break.

00:51:59.480 Well, yeah, yeah, it must have been a lot easier back when he was just there as standing for the faith

00:52:06.760 instead of having to be some sort of a performer all the time.

00:52:10.300 And I think they picked Francis because he liked to be a performer.

00:52:13.860 I don't know what kind of a performer Cardinal Perrin is.

00:52:16.420 And with all the meaty behind Francis, that's what they used him as.

00:52:19.920 He was their machine.

00:52:21.920 And, yeah, I think it diminishes the role because just every single word out of Francis' mouth,

00:52:27.800 you know, people are listening to the things that he did that were bad.

00:52:30.420 Every word in the press was bad every day.

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Bannon's War Room - April 26, 2025

Episode 4442： Special Coverage： The Funeral Of Pope Francis

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