Bannon's War Room - Episode 4443： Special Coverage： The Funeral Of Pope Francis Cont.

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.220 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.480 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.440 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:19.840 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.520 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.780 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.180 Mega Media.

00:00:28.100 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.020 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.720 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.100 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:47.320 Welcome back.

00:00:54.640 Harden World here at the helm, filling in for Steve Bannon, who's away on a special assignment.

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00:01:10.840 And we'll be digging into those things a little later on in the show with Dave Bradt as well.

00:01:17.440 Let's go back to Frank Walker.

00:01:20.220 Frank, tell me something about your inspiration behind putting this website, Canon 212, together.

00:01:26.960 What did you hope to achieve?

00:01:27.940 Well, I started volunteering with a site similar before, and I was writing articles for them, and I realized that the time spent on this sort of work, instead of writing articles, can be more influential.

00:01:43.640 So I just stuck with it.

00:01:45.260 It's nice to have a place where people can learn, can be more Catholic and more conservative when you consider it as an alternative to what's in the media.

00:01:54.380 So I do it, and I've been happy to see, you know, the community that's built around it and the things that we've been able to accomplish.

00:02:02.360 And writers and people like you who look at it, it really makes a – I think I like to help people like you get all the information you need to do what you do.

00:02:13.660 So that's another part of it.

00:02:16.540 Well, from my perspective, that's 1,000% the case.

00:02:19.620 And I just want to underline the point here because the war room's philosophy, it's all about agency and giving our posse, our war room posse, all the information with which that they can then access, study, decide, diffuse amongst their friends on their own social media.

00:02:42.400 So that people in this movement can really make things happen rather than just being passive and receptive to other people's decisions and actions.

00:02:53.500 I think what you're doing here with Canon 212 is absolutely important in that, especially in the Catholic, the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic side of things.

00:03:05.120 Right.

00:03:05.320 Because as you were saying before, if you just simply depend on the professional Catholic quest, you're effectively going to be misled.

00:03:13.540 Yeah, it's gotten worse in recent years.

00:03:16.620 It kind of rose with Mother Angelica.

00:03:18.780 It came back after, you know, our youth.

00:03:23.040 But then when she passed and then all – it kind of took over the online media and all these podcasters.

00:03:29.720 And it's almost as bad as it was before now that Francis is there because they won't address – so many things are outside the Overton window.

00:03:38.120 They won't address his heresies.

00:03:39.920 They won't address his validity.

00:03:42.240 If you can't – if you don't say that he's definitely absolutely pope and there's not any questions about it, then you don't get a voice, you know.

00:03:50.260 So, yeah, it's good to have an alternative in the media and the MAG – what they – you know, Politico hit you today about the MAGA people saying MAGA is not really legitimate Catholicism.

00:04:02.100 It's all just Trumpism.

00:04:03.700 No, it's the people.

00:04:04.920 It's the regular people and they need to have an organization and leadership in a community because when you have a pope who's not Catholic, we just don't have that kind of community.

00:04:14.100 And I like what you and the previous guests have said about alternative ways to exert power on the church.

00:04:20.120 That's always the way it's been.

00:04:22.120 You know, and Pius X, the great, as spoke of the last century, was put in by a veto of the Holy Roman Emperor.

00:04:29.860 St. Ambrose back in the early church was there by a popular vote.

00:04:35.940 And we need to build the church from the ground up because this is where the actual Catholics are. 1.00

00:04:41.920 Tell me something then as someone standing at the gateway of news aggregation.

00:04:49.400 What do you think MAGA can do moving forward, especially within the Catholic sphere, MAGA-orientated Catholics?

00:04:58.080 What can we do over the course of the next generation to try to make our voice known more in the governorship, the winning of the church?

00:05:09.900 I suggested on the show to Steve yesterday that really the laity ought to be in charge of appointing bishops and even the pope itself.

00:05:19.980 And I cited the fact that in the early centuries of the church, it was the faithful of Rome by acclamation that picked the pope.

00:05:27.960 And you mentioned the case of St. Ambrose.

00:05:30.240 And I've had some people, especially in the traditionalist camp, sort of pushing back on social media, saying that was really a Protestant formulation.

00:05:40.540 What's your view on that?

00:05:41.640 Do you think the laity is equipped to make these decisions to do with the winning of the church and that this medieval superstructure is doing a good enough job?

00:05:50.800 Or do you think actually perhaps it's time to be thinking about something new?

00:05:55.360 Yeah, I don't believe that you can have to separate power from the church.

00:06:02.060 The church has always had power behind it since the time of Pepin and Charlemagne and the papal states.

00:06:09.040 It needed that power.

00:06:10.620 It lost that power around the time of the Civil War, American Civil War.

00:06:14.120 And it's been falling apart since then because now it's vulnerable to all these influences.

00:06:19.560 You can see that, you know, the church is now for sale by every evil, powerful person in the world.

00:06:24.680 They do everything that they're bought and paid to do.

00:06:28.420 But in the past, it wasn't like that.

00:06:30.980 And so if we don't have the power, then we need to have the political.

00:06:34.280 We need to organize, you know, in a small way, in our small groups, like Pope Benedict said.

00:06:39.640 And we need to develop our own hierarchy that's true and legal according to the church.

00:06:45.680 And we need to push for that.

00:06:46.880 And we need to push for power behind it.

00:06:48.900 And I think, you know, Trump is going a long way towards that.

00:06:52.760 You see, say, Zelensky in a position.

00:06:55.120 He almost looked like a penitent with Trump.

00:06:57.480 You see things moving together with Russia and with the United States.

00:07:02.220 And this kind of – and see Maloney in Italy.

00:07:05.900 We need power behind – not behind, you know, because we don't want all influences.

00:07:11.740 We want pro-Catholic power. 0.80

00:07:14.500 And the war room and the MAGA movement can help create that situation and support the church and support the ancient mass and the faithful people.

00:07:22.900 Could you just tell me a quick – why did you pick the name Canon 212 for your aggregator, for your website?

00:07:33.860 Well, a friend of mine came up with that for me.

00:07:36.540 And the name, it says that you have a right to speak truth to power within the Vatican.

00:07:44.840 The only thing is it says that you need to do it respectfully, which I, you know, as you know, I don't always find so appropriate.

00:07:51.140 But that's what the canon law of Canon 212 means.

00:07:58.040 Well, I suppose they're different.

00:07:59.960 I think how you want to show respect is a prudential matter.

00:08:04.240 That's my take on these things.

00:08:06.820 So, look, my final question to you as the person who's sitting there looking at all the news coming in.

00:08:14.020 What do you think the war room posse should be looking out for when they're seeing the headlines and the stories in the mainstream press, and even perhaps in the Catholic press as well, as we run up towards the conclave?

00:08:26.220 Are there any sort of misdirection plays that you're expecting from the mainstream media that the posse should be especially looking out for?

00:08:37.220 Well, some people are suggesting that there may be a more, they may be shifting to the right.

00:08:44.260 And even though they don't have a conclave that would shift to the right, there's nobody in there.

00:08:48.480 There are very few Catholics in the conclave right now.

00:08:51.760 And I think by canon, while that makes it not a valid conclave, you can't expect a Catholic to come out of a conclave like that. 0.88

00:08:58.200 But nevertheless, the powers that be, the way they work, the pendulum swings, they want it for hundreds of years, a Catholic church to have no true pope and a false pope and an uncatholic pope so the pendulum can swing.

00:09:11.400 And so that might be their next thing.

00:09:12.840 They try to get somebody, I say like a Mike Pence.

00:09:15.960 So watch the news.

00:09:17.040 Cardinal Dolan mentioned this.

00:09:20.020 Father Jerry Murray in the New York Diocese mentioned that somebody more conservative.

00:09:24.240 You yourself mentioned yesterday they might be looking for somebody that can actually appeal to the actual Catholics and not everybody else but Catholics.

00:09:33.320 So I would watch to see the news and I would look through the Catholic press to see what they're considering.

00:09:42.540 Michael Sean Winters, the big liberal at the National Catholic Reporter, he says that he thinks that we're going to be complaining no matter who they give us.

00:09:50.360 So he's very much an insider and he, you know, if he's saying that, I wouldn't expect, you know, somebody that's an actual Catholic, but perhaps a little better.

00:10:01.400 The National Catholic, the National Catholic distorter.

00:10:04.700 Look, just before you bounce, as you mentioned earlier, this is an important thing about Francis' doubtful validity.

00:10:11.580 Can you just give me like one minute on what you mean by that and what its implications are?

00:10:17.320 Well, I mean, you're not allowed to mention his validity, but it makes it very difficult.

00:10:23.120 Like the whole concept of a pope being somebody who guides a church has been erased.

00:10:28.940 Cardinal Mueller, the famous conservative currently yesterday, said you're blind if you expect pokes to be, to guide you on Catholic teaching.

00:10:37.660 You should follow teaching yourself.

00:10:39.060 Well, that's not Catholic.

00:10:41.720 And they've erased that idea because they want us to think that it's sort of like Democrats and Republicans.

00:10:48.220 So because they would not address the many issues, Benedict, you know, he acted like a pope.

00:10:54.600 He acted like he was still pope.

00:10:56.120 He looked like a pope.

00:10:57.460 Why did he step down?

00:10:59.340 You know, why did he not give, why did he just give away like the operations but still say I'm keeping the office?

00:11:05.060 How can you have a heretic be the pope? 1.00

00:11:08.240 Why could they not answer the dubia?

00:11:10.140 Why is he not corrected?

00:11:12.060 Why does the Catholic press now always say that he's a Catholic when he's clearly not a Catholic in so many different obvious areas?

00:11:18.820 I just want to, I've been at the Vatican every day this week, live from St. Peter's.

00:11:28.080 And the great thing about the present moment, Frankie, know what it is?

00:11:32.100 The church is openly and formally said a vacantist.

00:11:35.360 The Vatican, the Vatican hadn't collapsed.

00:11:39.980 The dome hadn't fallen in.

00:11:41.500 The sky hadn't fallen in.

00:11:42.880 The church continues.

00:11:44.740 That's right.

00:11:45.700 I just want to put that point out there.

00:11:48.560 The church right now.

00:11:49.400 It's an underground church but still there.

00:11:52.640 The church, the church that goes on.

00:11:54.920 Why?

00:11:55.180 Because we hold the faith.

00:11:56.320 We, the lady, hold the faith.

00:11:57.700 Frankie, you're doing great work at Canon 212.

00:12:00.000 I know we've been trying to get you on the show for a long, long time now.

00:12:03.000 But just quickly, once again, would you go through your social media, the site especially?

00:12:09.540 How can a traditionalist, Catholic-minded, not only Catholic, but also conservative evangelicals,

00:12:16.600 how do they keep up with the essential work that you're doing?

00:12:20.240 We have so much in common with them, you know, and they don't like seeing the church like this either.

00:12:24.500 You know, we're kind of like their big brother.

00:12:26.120 We need to work together to bring it back.

00:12:29.000 Canon212.com is the site.

00:12:30.400 And at Twitter, it's Canon 212 written out on all words.

00:12:33.600 And you can see my daily video update at Gloria TV, which is a great site, and at Rumble and at my site too.

00:12:42.480 Ben Walker, very, very grateful for you coming on today.

00:12:46.200 Of all days, the papal funeral special.

00:12:49.860 We'll be catching up with you again on the show sometime soon.

00:12:52.900 God bless for now.

00:12:53.840 Thank you, Ben.

00:12:54.440 God bless your good work.

00:12:56.580 Thank you.

00:12:57.100 Look, just before we go to the break, let's just quickly bring on Dave Bratt.

00:13:01.880 I know he's pushed this morning.

00:13:04.580 Dave, just firstly tell me, you were listening to the previous segment there, and the reference, of course, to our Protestant brethren.

00:13:13.440 What's the view within your own church community on the death of Pope Francis from a Protestant perspective?

00:13:23.320 Well, it's very similar to the Catholic perspective.

00:13:28.100 We all believe or should believe in objective truth, right?

00:13:32.740 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one.

00:13:35.400 The Jewish community, the Protestant community, the Catholic community, we believe in objective truth, and we have the Catholics to thank for a lot of creeds that are down on paper, starting with Nicaea, and then all the rest of them in Turkey.

00:13:52.180 I was just over in Constantinople, Istanbul, and was just blown away.

00:13:57.180 And unfortunately, all of us need to do better, you know, to work with the Eastern Church and in unity together, but we have objective truth on our side.

00:14:06.740 In politics, I ran on the Republican creed.

00:14:09.800 I said there's nothing wrong with the creed.

00:14:11.800 The only problem is none of the Republicans keep it, and I think that's analogous to the church.

00:14:16.460 We have the creeds.

00:14:17.580 We've worked for millennia with the Catholics at the beginning to put this stuff on paper, and I think we need to stick to our knitting there and share that with the press, that we have objective guidelines.

00:14:29.720 We're not making this up as we go, and I think that's the strongest thing we can all do together is just row in the same direction with the same content, which comes from God.

00:14:39.360 Hold on to that.

00:14:41.520 Dave Buck will be back with you in two minutes for this papal funeral special on Saturday, 26th of April.

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00:17:55.220 This is the War Room

00:17:56.320 Papal Funeral

00:17:58.200 edition today.

00:18:00.740 Papal Funeral special.

00:18:02.600 Dave Bratt, thanks for coming on today

00:18:04.640 to talk about something a little bit

00:18:06.160 off of your usual

00:18:08.420 territory

00:18:10.100 of economics. We might have time

00:18:12.380 to segue into that, but

00:18:14.180 I want to break down what you were saying before

00:18:16.200 that break, and

00:18:18.200 just the footage there that we'll watch

00:18:19.900 just to explain what that

00:18:22.240 was. We were seeing

00:18:23.520 the remains of the casket of Pope

00:18:26.140 Francis being laid there

00:18:27.940 in the Basilica of St. Mary Major,

00:18:30.020 one of the four major basilicas

00:18:32.180 of Rome. Dave,

00:18:34.140 tell me something. As a Protestant, are you

00:18:36.320 in your church, your community?

00:18:39.880 You're a Southern Baptist, right?

00:18:43.040 Yeah, I'm from up north. I'm from the frozen chosen, 1.00

00:18:46.420 but yeah, I'm down with

00:18:47.460 the Baptist community at Liberty right now,

00:18:50.600 and so it's very similar.

00:18:53.340 Tell me something.

00:18:54.360 Are you in any way

00:18:56.200 scandalized when you see

00:18:57.900 a figure like, inverted

00:19:00.280 commas, Pope Francis, pushing

00:19:02.460 this

00:19:03.300 unrestricted

00:19:06.700 illegal immigration

00:19:08.580 agenda, this radical

00:19:10.600 environmentalist

00:19:12.140 agenda? The radical

00:19:14.200 Marxism on the economic

00:19:15.560 front, where he says

00:19:16.480 repeatedly that the root of

00:19:18.460 all social evil is material

00:19:20.660 inequality.

00:19:21.280 you know, we all hope

00:19:23.260 one day when,

00:19:25.000 I hope we all hope

00:19:26.040 one day

00:19:26.540 that the

00:19:27.520 Christians, all Christians

00:19:29.580 who share

00:19:31.140 one common

00:19:32.060 baptism

00:19:32.520 might be in full

00:19:34.340 visible

00:19:34.760 communion. But when

00:19:36.280 you see these things

00:19:37.340 going on,

00:19:38.360 are you guys just not

00:19:39.740 scandalized? Because I'm

00:19:41.220 scandalized when I see

00:19:42.420 this going on.

00:19:43.640 What's the view there?

00:19:45.200 I know you're not speaking

00:19:46.320 for liberty, but what's

00:19:47.520 the view

00:19:48.820 there?

00:19:49.220 Yeah, I think

00:19:52.280 I think it's very

00:19:53.420 similar to you and

00:19:54.640 your past

00:19:55.600 guests on the show.

00:19:57.860 Of course, we're

00:19:58.780 scandalized. And, you

00:20:00.260 know, I was gonna, I

00:20:01.420 think the Pope, I

00:20:02.620 think, is in a city

00:20:03.520 called Rome, which is

00:20:04.740 in a country called

00:20:05.700 Italy, or if you want

00:20:07.420 to get technical,

00:20:08.160 whatever, Vatican

00:20:08.700 City, which is in

00:20:10.200 Europe. And the

00:20:11.400 scandal is, you

00:20:12.760 know, it'd be one

00:20:13.320 thing if you're hitting

00:20:14.000 on all cylinders as a

00:20:15.360 Catholic church or a 0.56

00:20:16.240 Protestant church.

00:20:17.520 But the fact is

00:20:18.680 European pews are 1.00

00:20:19.720 empty across the

00:20:20.600 board. So if you're

00:20:22.080 hitting the religion 0.61

00:20:22.760 right, and you're

00:20:23.640 proclaiming the

00:20:24.320 gospel, and you've

00:20:26.280 got people in the

00:20:27.300 pews, you know,

00:20:28.200 celebrating God's

00:20:29.340 holiness and working

00:20:31.340 on their own

00:20:31.980 salvation and

00:20:33.000 sanctification, great.

00:20:34.940 And then you've got

00:20:35.800 misguided political

00:20:37.180 views. But if all

00:20:37.980 you're doing is the

00:20:38.660 political views and

00:20:39.500 the churches are

00:20:40.080 barren, which they

00:20:41.020 are, I think you

00:20:42.540 gotta look in the

00:20:43.180 mirror real hard.

00:20:44.140 And it's equal,

00:20:44.880 right? The Protestant 0.94

00:20:45.820 churches in Europe

00:20:46.740 are empty as well

00:20:47.840 as the Catholic

00:20:48.480 pews across the

00:20:50.440 board. And so,

00:20:51.180 yeah, everybody

00:20:52.040 scandalized when you

00:20:53.820 talk about just the

00:20:54.520 basics, right? I

00:20:55.340 mean, the Judeo-Christian

00:20:56.240 West, you got

00:20:56.860 Moses. When I was in

00:20:58.580 Congress, he's the man

00:20:59.840 in the pantheon,

00:21:00.680 right? You got all

00:21:01.320 the other great Greek

00:21:02.520 and Roman leaders

00:21:04.060 throughout history.

00:21:05.020 But Moses is number

00:21:06.320 one, the law, the law

00:21:08.320 and the prophets.

00:21:09.600 And so when you start

00:21:10.460 off right with 10

00:21:11.340 million illegal acts

00:21:12.660 and illegal immigration

00:21:13.800 and the Vatican City's

00:21:14.840 got walls, and it's

00:21:16.400 just the common sense

00:21:17.520 piece, right? And

00:21:18.840 then I got the media,

00:21:20.080 like you said, Axios

00:21:21.120 called me the other

00:21:21.620 day, and they kind of

00:21:22.420 push against you with

00:21:24.100 the ethics of the

00:21:24.920 Judeo-Christian West.

00:21:26.060 And I said, will you

00:21:27.120 please tell me an

00:21:28.160 alternative? I'm not

00:21:29.900 aware of any other

00:21:30.860 moral philosophy that's

00:21:32.180 even in play these

00:21:33.140 days. I mean, is

00:21:33.740 there a Marxist

00:21:34.460 leftist thing? The

00:21:35.860 left is bankrupt right

00:21:37.060 now. We used to have

00:21:37.640 liberals. Now we got

00:21:39.300 leftists. They don't

00:21:40.760 believe in God. If they

00:21:42.180 do, you know, I'm

00:21:43.200 mistaken, and I

00:21:44.100 apologize. But I'd

00:21:45.440 love to have them make

00:21:47.140 some claims about their

00:21:48.240 belief in God. And if

00:21:49.960 there's no God, please

00:21:51.000 explain to me, dear

00:21:51.840 left, where you get

00:21:52.460 human rights and

00:21:53.380 democracy and all

00:21:54.360 that.

00:21:56.720 Dave, you know,

00:21:57.500 listening to you talk,

00:21:59.240 I get a spontaneous

00:22:01.420 idea, right?

00:22:04.080 Because you're

00:22:04.880 connected, you know,

00:22:05.760 you're connected to

00:22:06.880 Protestantism. You're a

00:22:10.620 big player in the

00:22:11.960 United States in that

00:22:13.400 scene, in that

00:22:14.200 community. The next

00:22:15.640 time the Vatican is

00:22:17.080 hosting some great

00:22:19.100 ecumenical event, do

00:22:20.720 me a favor, right?

00:22:21.620 Speak to your guys

00:22:22.540 when they go to Rome

00:22:23.460 and tell them, make it

00:22:26.920 absolutely clear to the

00:22:28.020 Vatan hierarchy when

00:22:29.160 you're there doing the

00:22:30.560 dialogue, that this

00:22:31.920 conduct, this earthly,

00:22:33.880 left-wing, modernist,

00:22:36.900 progressive agenda that

00:22:39.200 they're pushing so

00:22:40.560 forcibly. It's

00:22:42.460 actually scandalizing

00:22:43.560 the Protestants. Not 0.99

00:22:45.500 only make that

00:22:46.500 message, you know,

00:22:48.480 because they're going

00:22:48.900 to, they'll probably

00:22:50.160 listen to you. They're

00:22:51.820 certainly not going to

00:22:52.340 listen to traditionalist

00:22:53.440 Catholics say this. Make 0.98

00:22:55.920 that argument to them

00:22:57.060 and then make that

00:22:58.560 public that we went to

00:23:00.500 the Vatican, to the

00:23:01.700 heart of the beast,

00:23:02.580 we, and we told them

00:23:05.580 that their conduct is

00:23:06.800 scandalizing to us, and

00:23:08.800 make that public. How

00:23:11.200 about that?

00:23:13.240 Yeah, I agree with you

00:23:14.680 a hundred percent. And,

00:23:15.940 you know, it's not only

00:23:16.740 scandalous to the

00:23:17.500 Catholic Church and to

00:23:18.420 the Protestant Church, it's

00:23:19.440 scandalous to God,

00:23:20.720 right? I mean, this idea

00:23:22.760 that God does not uphold

00:23:24.400 nations and borders and

00:23:26.860 the rule of law is just

00:23:28.120 absurd on its face. No one

00:23:30.200 will defend that in public,

00:23:31.440 right? It's just that we

00:23:32.520 haven't owned the

00:23:33.200 mainstream media.

00:23:34.580 There's no one on the

00:23:35.360 left, there's no one,

00:23:36.040 you know, and in some

00:23:36.660 ways, you know, Steve

00:23:37.540 Bannon has it right.

00:23:38.900 They're not going to

00:23:39.460 give you the keys, right?

00:23:41.300 You know, after philosophy

00:23:42.720 fell apart at about 1900

00:23:44.600 and the theory of

00:23:45.640 knowledge and all that

00:23:46.420 stuff, they were going

00:23:47.820 after God and they

00:23:48.820 failed and they found

00:23:49.820 out they can't defend

00:23:50.680 knowledge or science.

00:23:52.760 So then it went to

00:23:53.760 deconstruction and the

00:23:54.880 Marxists and Foucault and

00:23:56.540 Rorty and all these guys

00:23:57.640 and their goal is to tear

00:23:59.320 down the Judeo-Christian

00:24:00.560 West. They don't want

00:24:01.440 God. They don't want

00:24:02.420 God's authority. They

00:24:03.320 don't want the church.

00:24:04.640 They don't want the

00:24:05.180 family structure. They

00:24:06.160 don't want democracy. They

00:24:07.680 want power. And our side

00:24:09.960 keeps acting like Cub

00:24:11.020 Scouts and Bannon's had it

00:24:13.200 right the whole time.

00:24:13.980 Nope, we reject you.

00:24:15.880 We are the inclusive

00:24:16.800 folks, right? The Axios

00:24:18.020 guys asked me what I

00:24:18.980 thought about the

00:24:19.840 immigrants. I said,

00:24:21.120 legal immigrants have

00:24:22.360 all the full rights

00:24:23.400 accorded by the U.S.

00:24:24.880 Constitution that we do,

00:24:26.280 right? There's no issue

00:24:28.040 there. They all have

00:24:29.520 rights because they're

00:24:30.500 made in the image of

00:24:31.300 God. But illegal

00:24:33.260 immigrants and members

00:24:34.600 of folks who

00:24:36.200 traffic young

00:24:38.360 girls and terrible

00:24:40.240 criminals, no, 0.98

00:24:42.640 not at all. And that's

00:24:44.060 an affront to God,

00:24:45.320 right? And so we all

00:24:46.900 need to speak in unison,

00:24:48.100 but I agree with you

00:24:49.240 100%. We all need to

00:24:50.720 speak because no

00:24:53.060 matter what tradition

00:24:53.740 we're in, we're all

00:24:54.760 unified in any of that,

00:24:56.340 right? Trying to pursue

00:24:57.300 some proximate justice

00:24:59.160 at the political

00:25:00.500 level, right? The

00:25:01.400 nations don't have

00:25:02.980 souls, right? Nations 1.00

00:25:04.920 are Romans 13. They 0.85

00:25:06.900 need to be run by the

00:25:07.760 sword, and that's

00:25:08.560 what's going on.

00:25:10.320 Dave, you just

00:25:11.060 mentioned something

00:25:11.660 very important here in

00:25:13.140 the debate, and I

00:25:14.700 know you've got to

00:25:15.500 bounce this imminently,

00:25:16.500 but let me just throw

00:25:17.140 this one out to you

00:25:17.760 before you do. The

00:25:19.440 imago Dei, the fact

00:25:20.640 that man is made in 0.91

00:25:21.460 the image and

00:25:21.820 likeness of God, and

00:25:22.520 that's often used to,

00:25:24.640 as an argument, say,

00:25:25.400 look, aren't we denying

00:25:26.820 that in saying that

00:25:28.400 illegal immigrants need 0.96

00:25:29.820 to go back to their 0.72

00:25:30.600 home countries? Let me

00:25:32.380 ask you this. Let me

00:25:34.220 ask you this. Is it

00:25:35.240 not also the case that

00:25:36.940 immigrants, illegal 1.00

00:25:38.240 immigrants, remain made 1.00

00:25:40.500 in the image and

00:25:41.300 likeness of God when

00:25:42.140 they remain in their

00:25:43.120 own home countries?

00:25:45.840 Yeah, no, absolutely. I

00:25:48.020 mean, these claims are

00:25:50.120 just absurd on their

00:25:51.740 face, and what we

00:25:53.540 really need to show

00:25:55.400 what Trump is

00:25:56.280 showing, what Bannon

00:25:57.080 is showing you and

00:25:58.440 everybody has been

00:25:59.040 showing, is if you do

00:26:00.460 not have a strong

00:26:01.280 United States to

00:26:02.480 stand up against the

00:26:03.520 true evildoers, the

00:26:05.100 China CCP, Putin, when 0.88

00:26:09.240 he gets grandiose and 0.92

00:26:11.480 won't stop killing 0.97

00:26:13.140 these young boys over 0.99

00:26:14.160 in Ukraine, without

00:26:15.940 the U.S., the world

00:26:16.940 is lost, particularly

00:26:18.000 Europe. And so it's

00:26:20.100 essential that we

00:26:20.860 maintain our Christian,

00:26:22.240 our Judeo-Christian

00:26:24.420 roots, and our

00:26:25.900 traditions, because we

00:26:27.140 have been the best

00:26:27.840 thing for the world

00:26:28.640 that the world's ever

00:26:29.320 seen. And without us,

00:26:30.860 it would be a grave

00:26:31.520 loss.

00:26:33.100 Dave, 10 seconds.

00:26:35.320 Where do people go on

00:26:36.820 social media to catch

00:26:38.740 up with these

00:26:39.640 incredible insights?

00:26:42.680 Well, that's nice of

00:26:43.740 you, Ben. I just

00:26:45.080 brat economics on

00:26:46.580 Getter and on X. I

00:26:47.740 just posted on Getter

00:26:48.840 yesterday from Good

00:26:50.880 Friday. I promised I'd

00:26:52.300 post some stuff on

00:26:53.720 philosophy and theology.

00:26:54.980 So there's some new

00:26:55.580 ideas up there. You

00:26:56.460 might want to share

00:26:57.000 that with the young

00:26:57.500 people in your lives.

00:26:59.200 And we all need to do

00:27:00.900 better as a church,

00:27:01.920 right? The church is the

00:27:02.820 body of Christ on

00:27:03.940 earth. And we're

00:27:05.060 supposed to be building

00:27:05.780 the kingdom on earth

00:27:07.180 as it is in heaven. And

00:27:08.780 thanks for all you're

00:27:09.480 doing for your part

00:27:10.660 there, Ben. Great job.

00:27:12.760 Dave, I'm very, very

00:27:14.400 grateful for you coming

00:27:15.160 on the show today and

00:27:17.060 representing the

00:27:17.980 Protestant Corner, if you

00:27:19.360 will. So you said

00:27:19.960 some very good things

00:27:20.760 today on our

00:27:22.100 papal burial special.

00:27:27.880 God bless. Just

00:27:28.700 quickly before we go to

00:27:29.700 the break, Liz, you're

00:27:30.660 thanks for staying with

00:27:31.980 us all day and for

00:27:33.160 bringing on, breaking

00:27:35.080 down and analyzing

00:27:36.060 our guests. I know

00:27:37.820 you've got to go as

00:27:38.400 well. Where do people

00:27:39.440 go to stay up with your

00:27:41.640 insights as well on

00:27:43.040 social media?

00:27:44.340 I'll be posting all the

00:27:45.600 time on my website,

00:27:46.680 yourchildren, Y-O-R-E. I'm 1.00

00:27:49.440 everywhere on social

00:27:50.360 media under Elizabeth

00:27:51.620 Yore. So thank you. And I

00:27:53.740 would encourage everybody

00:27:55.100 to read the only

00:27:57.600 whistleblower in the last

00:27:59.060 12 years, Archbishop

00:28:00.420 Vigano. He posts widely

00:28:02.300 his understanding of the

00:28:04.480 globalist takeover of this

00:28:07.460 papacy and what's going on

00:28:09.700 in the Catholic Church is

00:28:10.800 invaluable. And during this

00:28:12.540 last 12 years, I have to say

00:28:14.080 honestly, that I have

00:28:15.960 learned more about the

00:28:17.880 Catholic faith because

00:28:18.880 I've been forced to dig

00:28:20.520 deeper. And so I would

00:28:22.860 encourage everybody to

00:28:24.620 step into the fight and

00:28:26.780 to carry on and pray

00:28:28.440 deeply.

00:28:30.720 Liz, thank you so much

00:28:32.840 today for joining us on

00:28:34.080 this special. We'll

00:28:35.000 definitely be catching up

00:28:36.240 with you as we move now

00:28:37.680 towards the concrete. God

00:28:39.180 bless. Enjoy the rest of

00:28:39.920 your day.

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00:29:51.020 Welcome back to our

00:30:10.900 papal funeral special today.

00:30:14.200 My next guest has been on

00:30:15.980 the show before when I was

00:30:16.800 last guest hosting, Dr. Sid

00:30:18.940 Lucas, who's written a

00:30:20.320 number of books to do

00:30:21.320 with the role of

00:30:22.100 Christianity in Europe

00:30:23.780 and its decline. Sid,

00:30:25.760 thanks for coming back on

00:30:27.060 the show. First of all,

00:30:29.380 it's Pope Francis' funeral

00:30:31.180 today. You were watching

00:30:32.040 it. Just give me your

00:30:34.040 overview before I break

00:30:36.700 down some of your own

00:30:38.760 analysis. What is the

00:30:40.540 import to you as a

00:30:42.460 Catholic, the death of 1.00

00:30:46.020 this Pope? Yes, I think

00:30:49.780 it's a new phase in global

00:30:51.540 transition because the

00:30:53.480 Catholic Church, of course,

00:30:54.660 has its roots in Europe,

00:30:56.220 very strongly connected to

00:30:57.600 Rome, all the way going

00:30:58.740 back to the Roman Empire.

00:31:00.740 Whereas today you see that

00:31:02.840 the budding markets for the

00:31:05.500 Catholic Church, basically

00:31:06.860 where it finds its support,

00:31:08.600 it's much more in Africa. It's

00:31:10.060 much more in basically growing

00:31:11.540 democracy, also in Latin

00:31:15.520 America, South America,

00:31:17.760 Asia. It all becomes much 0.99

00:31:19.580 more interesting for the

00:31:20.740 Catholic Church than Europe. 0.81

00:31:22.460 So in a way, Pope Francis

00:31:25.240 being a non-European, being 0.99

00:31:27.660 a Pope, already marks a step

00:31:29.860 towards the further

00:31:30.900 globalization of the

00:31:32.760 Catholic enterprise. And in

00:31:35.860 a way, we're very

00:31:36.840 interested to see what the

00:31:37.940 new Pope will be because it

00:31:39.980 can be further more a step

00:31:42.540 towards the globalization of

00:31:44.020 the Catholic Church. Let's

00:31:44.940 say that the next Pope, for

00:31:47.060 instance, would become an

00:31:47.880 African. It would match well 1.00

00:31:49.960 with where the Catholic

00:31:51.180 Church is actually popular,

00:31:53.020 it's growing, it's

00:31:53.660 developing. It certainly is

00:31:55.300 not in Europe, Ben.

00:31:59.640 Do you, as an analyst of

00:32:02.620 these things, where do you

00:32:04.160 think the Church, what

00:32:06.220 should it be looking for?

00:32:07.860 With regards to the

00:32:09.380 conclave, what sort of, you

00:32:10.960 mentioned the possibility of

00:32:12.080 an African, some people are

00:32:13.660 talking about an Asian. I

00:32:14.940 don't really see many people

00:32:16.400 saying, let's have the best

00:32:17.540 person for the job, which

00:32:19.080 sort of indicates already the

00:32:20.960 political nature of the

00:32:22.380 selection of the Pope.

00:32:25.820 But as an analyst, what

00:32:29.380 sort of, what would your

00:32:30.380 advice be in the direction it

00:32:32.380 should be going in to be able

00:32:34.340 to grow?

00:32:37.400 Well, there's a saying that

00:32:39.500 any religion that is married

00:32:41.260 to the Moors of its own time

00:32:43.680 does not have a long future.

00:32:46.660 So a religion, in essence, it

00:32:48.180 wants something transcendent.

00:32:49.860 It wants something basically

00:32:51.120 eternal that appeals to the

00:32:53.380 people. So I would suggest for

00:32:55.260 the Church to stay far away from

00:32:58.180 the current memes or the current

00:33:00.080 Moors of, say, the woke, the

00:33:01.980 LGBTQ+, the climate narrative,

00:33:05.120 the Mother Earth narrative, the

00:33:06.680 immigration narrative, basically

00:33:08.280 the things that Pope Francis

00:33:09.980 also faced a lot of criticism

00:33:11.900 for during his time in the

00:33:13.280 papacy. Many Catholics felt

00:33:15.480 that Francis was too much

00:33:17.340 getting involved with these

00:33:20.040 things that I just mentioned,

00:33:20.980 that it's criticism of Trump

00:33:22.420 and its illegal aliens policy.

00:33:24.500 Then Vance had to come in at the

00:33:25.880 last moment to try and patch

00:33:27.480 the relationship. Well, it's best

00:33:29.880 for the Church, and it also

00:33:31.200 aligns with sort of its global

00:33:32.700 outreach. The Church, it's a

00:33:34.620 post-European phenomenon. It's 0.90

00:33:36.340 a global phenomenon. So the

00:33:37.940 more it stays away from

00:33:38.980 politics and meddling in

00:33:40.460 contemporary politics and

00:33:41.660 expressing strong opinions on

00:33:43.680 these cultural issues such as

00:33:44.880 LGBTQ and so on, the better it 1.00

00:33:46.920 actually is for the Church,

00:33:48.580 because then it can focus on an

00:33:49.860 eternal truth rather than, yeah,

00:33:52.340 these regional political issues.

00:33:54.180 That's my advice to the Church.

00:33:55.900 Now, I suggested yesterday on the

00:34:00.420 show that the laity should be in

00:34:04.240 charge of picking the Pope rather

00:34:07.360 than the Cardinals, and some people

00:34:08.680 have pushed back on me saying

00:34:10.080 that's too Protestant. Others have

00:34:12.960 said, you know, that's democracy, and

00:34:15.040 democracy has no traditional role in

00:34:18.580 the Catholic Church. And my response

00:34:20.360 to that second point is, well, if you

00:34:22.460 think about it, democracy is already

00:34:24.240 involved in picking the Pope, that's

00:34:26.240 exactly what the College of

00:34:27.360 Cardinals does when it votes for the

00:34:30.180 Pope. So you have the democracy

00:34:32.140 there. It's just an extremely

00:34:34.020 limited and privileged franchise.

00:34:37.540 As an author and an analyst on

00:34:41.960 these things, who's also ducked, tell

00:34:44.600 me about your view of the Church and

00:34:47.120 the strength in the Netherlands. Do you,

00:34:49.420 because by some reports, the Church

00:34:51.180 isn't doing so well in the

00:34:52.540 Netherlands, and that might be, again,

00:34:53.980 due to the conflation together of

00:34:56.600 Catholicism and progressivism, and

00:35:01.260 two things that don't go together,

00:35:02.900 would you suggest that the Church

00:35:04.980 could be stronger if the laity had a

00:35:07.600 more proactive role in picking the

00:35:09.100 Pope?

00:35:11.200 Well, you're essentially picking up two

00:35:14.560 important things here in this

00:35:15.760 question. First of all is the

00:35:17.620 correlation between, on the one hand,

00:35:19.400 democracy, and on the other hand, the

00:35:21.320 papacy, the Ecclesiastes. There has been

00:35:25.640 a lot of discourse about this throughout

00:35:28.000 the history of Western philosophy. For

00:35:30.140 instance, philosophers have written

00:35:32.620 saying, well, it's actually the unity of

00:35:34.260 the Church that wields the ultimate

00:35:36.380 authority, and the Pope is merely a

00:35:38.200 representative of this Ecclesiastes, of

00:35:41.820 the spiritual unity of the Church. And that

00:35:43.780 is, one author was Marsilius of Padua who

00:35:46.200 wrote about that. So if we're saying that the

00:35:48.820 Pope is a representative of the spiritual

00:35:51.420 union of the Church, of the Ecclesiastes,

00:35:53.500 then there is certainly a role for

00:35:54.800 democracy within the papacy. Of course,

00:35:57.080 they tried to make the Pope infallible,

00:35:59.340 and the Pope got more and more power as

00:36:01.880 the Church progressed in the later

00:36:03.300 centuries. But there's definitely an

00:36:04.880 argument to be made here for a

00:36:06.660 democratic element within the Catholic

00:36:08.680 Church. Second, it's the status of the

00:36:12.940 Church in the Netherlands. It's a very

00:36:15.240 interesting and important discussion. As

00:36:16.940 you know, the Netherlands was one of the

00:36:18.580 first countries to declare its

00:36:20.080 independence from the king. It goes back

00:36:22.060 all the way to the Spanish king, because

00:36:23.820 Protestants rebelled against the

00:36:26.180 Inquisition, rebelled against the

00:36:28.120 power of the Catholic Church. And ever

00:36:30.260 since, the Catholics remained a very 0.99

00:36:32.300 powerful and large majority within the

00:36:34.860 Netherlands. So even though the

00:36:36.960 Netherlands was a majority Protestant

00:36:38.400 country, or at least the Protestants had 0.97

00:36:40.440 all the power when they declared themselves

00:36:41.960 independent, the Catholics were still a

00:36:44.020 powerful minority. And in the Netherlands, we

00:36:47.860 had the four pillars, the liberal

00:36:49.300 pillar, the socialist pillar, the Protestant

00:36:51.260 pillar, and the Catholic pillar. And these

00:36:53.300 four pillars had to cooperate to govern

00:36:55.300 the country. And the Catholic Church was at the

00:36:58.700 time, let's say 50 years ago, 70 years ago, was

00:37:01.420 very much involved in public discussions, in

00:37:03.700 discussions about morality, about politics. It

00:37:06.760 really pressed a very strong stamp on the

00:37:09.080 values of the society. It really pressed a

00:37:12.480 strong stamp also in the rebuilding of the

00:37:14.560 country. And they had the Roman Red 1.00

00:37:16.620 Coalition, which was a coalition between

00:37:18.780 social Democrats and Roman Catholics who

00:37:20.720 rebuilt the country after the Second World

00:37:22.300 War. But they lost pretty much all their

00:37:24.300 prestige, all their power, all their, yeah,

00:37:26.860 their say in a way, their moral appeal. They

00:37:29.560 lost it all over the past few decades.

00:37:32.360 But it's not Protestantism, neither 0.74

00:37:35.400 Catholicism, which is the predominant major

00:37:38.700 political religious force in the Netherlands

00:37:40.900 right now, is it? It's Islam.

00:37:42.900 Absolutely. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I

00:37:46.980 would say Wokeism and Islam are basically 1.00

00:37:49.040 the, there are a lot of Protestants and very

00:37:51.140 committed Protestants in the Netherlands. I

00:37:52.640 would say probably more than committed

00:37:54.020 Catholics. The Catholics is so secular in the 0.99

00:37:57.120 Netherlands at this moment that the church

00:37:58.900 basically has two branches. It has its

00:38:01.420 religious, spiritual branch, the Catholic

00:38:03.660 church, but it also has its business brand,

00:38:06.160 where it manages its real estate. So that

00:38:08.500 real estate is really in cities like

00:38:10.860 Amsterdam, where the church used to have a

00:38:13.480 very strong presence, even throughout the

00:38:16.680 Spanish War of Independence, the Dutch

00:38:18.300 War of Independence against the Spanish. And

00:38:19.780 they kept a hold of all that real estate, and

00:38:21.840 it's increased in value tremendously. It's

00:38:24.180 tremendously valuable, this real estate. But

00:38:26.160 the city itself is, of course, very leftist,

00:38:28.040 very woke, very progressive, even very

00:38:30.280 Islamic. So that explains why the church 1.00

00:38:32.280 does not want to get involved in all these

00:38:34.960 moral discussions about, say, Islam,

00:38:37.320 immigration, identity, LGBTQ, because it's

00:38:40.620 sitting on a lot of real estate that's

00:38:42.080 really valuable. And they can get a lot

00:38:44.700 more out of that if they just stay quiet and

00:38:46.860 don't cause too much outrage and cause too

00:38:49.740 much negative press. So that also explains

00:38:51.700 kind of the absence of the Catholic church in

00:38:54.980 the big political discussions in the

00:38:56.580 Netherlands and the social matter.

00:38:58.140 Okay. Okay. So having laid out that

00:39:00.840 position, just in a couple, because I know

00:39:02.640 you have to balance just in a couple of

00:39:03.900 minutes while you're still here with us. What

00:39:05.760 is your lesson as a Dutchman living in the

00:39:09.260 Netherlands, writing on the role of

00:39:11.520 Christianity? What is the lesson, the one 1.00

00:39:14.300 lesson that you would communicate to

00:39:16.660 Americans? Because in America, there is a 0.93

00:39:21.160 sense of Christian vibrancy, specifically I

00:39:23.760 think, within the larger Protestant majority

00:39:27.600 of the country that has had a positive

00:39:30.220 role, I think, on American Catholics to up 0.98

00:39:34.500 their game. But what's your fundamental

00:39:37.500 lesson from, you know, and right across

00:39:40.700 continental Europe, we are losing the battle

00:39:42.720 against secularism and against Islam. What is 0.99

00:39:45.600 your one lesson from what you have observed,

00:39:48.360 what you have studied to Americans listening to

00:39:51.460 the show today? My lesson to the Americans is

00:39:54.980 definitely to count your blessings. Because

00:39:58.640 you have to keep in mind that immigration in

00:40:00.880 the US is controversial, it's a problem, but

00:40:03.560 it's still a majority Catholic immigration. It's 0.75

00:40:06.080 mainly an immigration coming from Mexico, from

00:40:09.440 Latin America, from South America, which is 0.91

00:40:12.400 still Catholic. So there is an opportunity to

00:40:14.740 bind with those new Americans, with those 0.85

00:40:17.240 migrants through Catholic values, even if it's

00:40:20.140 watered down secular Catholicism, there is still 0.89

00:40:22.720 a connection there. Whereas the immigration in

00:40:24.820 Europe, it's coming from Maghreb countries, it's 1.00

00:40:26.840 coming from Middle East, it's coming from Africa, 0.61

00:40:28.640 it's coming from mainly Islamic forces. Islam is

00:40:31.680 the main immigration in the Europe. So if for us, we

00:40:35.580 have a big problem, really, because Islam is going 1.00

00:40:38.420 to be the dominant religion. In 20 years, it's going 1.00

00:40:42.000 to be equally big as Protestantism. It was a new report

00:40:44.620 released a few weeks ago. So for the US, there is

00:40:46.960 still a chance to bind and connect with your immigrants

00:40:50.500 through Catholic values. Whereas in Europe, yeah, we're

00:40:53.540 basically going to into a cultural clash with Islam and

00:40:56.800 how it can be incorporated within our secular framework,

00:40:59.400 which is going to give a lot of clashes between wokeism and

00:41:04.540 Islam, on the other hand, with national conservatism being

00:41:07.340 crushed in the middle. And my new book, What the World Can

00:41:10.380 Learn from the Fall of the West, released by Academica, will go

00:41:13.620 deeper into this question. Where is that available? Not yet, but

00:41:20.960 it's going to be out in a few months. My deadline for the

00:41:24.000 manuscript is actually this week. And the manuscript is pretty

00:41:27.260 much complete and is going to be published at Academica and the

00:41:30.640 title is What the World Can Learn from the Fall of the West. And

00:41:34.880 where will it be available on Amazon? Probably. In English? Yes. It's my

00:41:44.800 first book that's written integrally in English from start to finish. And

00:41:48.820 Dr. Edward Dutton wrote a foreword for the manuscript, The Jolly

00:41:52.500 Heretic. Dr. Sid Lukasen, thank you very much for coming on the show

00:41:58.140 today. Just briefly, thanks for coming back. Where do people go on

00:42:03.920 social media to stay up to date with your analysis? I have to say, it's

00:42:08.660 being an international correspondent based here in Europe, I do look at

00:42:12.580 what you're putting out, and it is absolutely superb. Thank you. Thank you

00:42:17.600 very much. With my ex, I sent my ex account to you in an SMS message,

00:42:22.740 which is X, Sid Lukasen, double K, double S. That's where they can follow me. And

00:42:28.520 your books?

00:42:34.640 The newsletter is where you can, yeah, that's some of my books. Here you see

00:42:39.260 Kerkgangs and Seilenbauer is literally the builders of the church and the

00:42:43.500 builders of the column. Dr. Sid Lukasen, thanks very much. Catch up with you on the

00:42:48.940 show again. God bless for now.

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Bannon's War Room - April 26, 2025

Episode 4443： Special Coverage： The Funeral Of Pope Francis Cont.

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