In this episode of The War Room, host Stephen K. K. Bannon sits down with National Intelligence Director General James Clapper to discuss the latest in the war room, including the latest on Iran, immigration, the Iran nuclear deal and much more.
00:05:26.000Now, those talks are continuing in the Arabian Gulf in the neutral country of Oman this weekend.
00:05:33.000But all indications suggest that the talks may be on the verge of collapsing.
00:05:40.000And that's why we saw this announcement in the past two days of all these American embassies in the Middle East, Baghdad, Bahrain, some other countries in the in the region and Kuwait, which has a massive American military base.
00:05:58.000And the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad being one of our largest in the world is essentially one big fortress surrounded by Iranian backed militias.
00:06:06.000And the announcement was that we're going to start evacuating non-essential personnel.
00:06:11.000And that seems to be a precautionary move in case the Iranians decide to retaliate either through missiles or through their regional Shiite terror network that they have operating in Iraq.
00:06:24.000And covertly throughout other places in the Arabian Gulf against American assets.
00:06:31.000If Israel does choose to launch a strike against Iran's nuclear enrichment plant.
00:06:37.000Now, another major development is that today the Iranians said that they reject the findings of the International Energy Atomic Agency, which essentially ruled earlier this week that the Iranians are not providing sufficient clarity on some of their undeclared.
00:06:57.000And that's the key word here undeclared nuclear research facilities that include enrichment and some of that enrichment underground could potentially lead to enriching uranium to a high enough level that it could be quickly converted into weapons grade that could then be outfitted on a forehead on a missile.
00:07:24.000So the worry here is that we seem to be reaching quickly to a fork in the road.
00:07:29.000President Trump was very clear with Ayatollah Khamenei when he sent him the letter saying, hey, we can either have peace and a prosperous Iran or.
00:07:39.000But it could lead to the other option, that other option potentially either being a military strike or green lighting or at least providing a yellow light for a limited Israeli strike on some of those underground nuclear research and enrichment facilities in those two main sites in Iran, in Natanz and in Fordow.
00:08:00.000Fordow is deep in the mountain, very hard to reach.
00:08:03.000The Israelis think they have the necessary technology with those bunker busters that can go deep under the under the mountains.
00:08:10.000That is all that site is also next to a holy Iranian city called Qom.
00:08:15.000So that could lead to some other complications.
00:08:18.000But all the all the sirens right now in the region seem to be blinking here that we seem to be at a fork in the road.
00:08:25.000President Trump, of course, wanting diplomacy, wanting diplomacy first, being this ensures American security interests in the region.
00:08:35.000Steve Whitcoff is a very capable negotiator, but also President Trump being very clear with Khamenei.
00:08:41.000You only have two months. You're not going to string us along like Barack Obama.
00:08:45.000That deal just allowed Iran essentially freedom to develop its nuclear weapons capabilities underground and eventually within just about 10 years have be able to freely develop a nuclear bomb.
00:08:59.000President Trump, of course, got rid of that Obama deal and told Khamenei, hey, we are going to negotiate based on principles that are very clear here.
00:09:10.000And we're not just going to give you a blank check to reach nuclear weapons capability, but we're going to give you the option of resolving this peacefully.
00:09:18.000Otherwise, you've got the Israelis. They're primed and ready.
00:09:25.000A couple points here. The MAGA crowd and the voting base all voted for ending all the wars.
00:09:31.000President Trump ran very clearly on ending the wars. We know who's going to die.
00:09:36.000It's going to be the MAGA kids, the boys and girls from MAGA parents across the heartland, not the globalist elitist.
00:09:43.000Right. They they all go to the Ivy League schools. Their kids are shielded from all of this.
00:09:48.000So that's point number one on this. We do not want war. We want peace.
00:09:53.000And China, we have other bigger fish to fry. And you just raised a couple of complexities of holy sites next to it.
00:10:00.000And you think we got riots in the streets right now. Wait till after if that takes place.
00:10:07.000And so point number two is I think President Trump and the U.S. have plenty of throw weight to message to Israel. Right.
00:10:15.000I don't think they do anything without us giving a thumbs up. Let me know if I'm right on that or not.
00:10:22.000And then thirdly, our intelligence. Do we have it right? Do we have certainty that Iran does not have a bomb?
00:10:31.000And so if you can cover a couple of those just real quickly, we may be popping over to the White House in a minute.
00:10:37.000But if you can cover a few of those issues quickly. Look, you're 100 percent right on all these points.
00:10:42.000Look, I was a former defense intelligence analyst. I was deployed to Iraq, to Afghanistan. I've been in Syria.
00:10:48.000What were we doing in Iraq? What were we doing in Afghanistan?
00:10:51.000Absolute disaster as somebody who was there on the ground as a civilian supporting the military efforts and the intelligence efforts of the United States governments in the Middle East and in Central Asia.
00:11:02.000And so President Trump has it absolutely right. We need to get out of Syria. What are we doing in Iraq? Why are our forces still there?
00:11:08.000We are surrounded by Iran's proxies. We have to end the forever wars.
00:11:13.000And there is broad support, not just amongst the mega crowd, but amongst blue collar Democrats.
00:11:17.000You know what Obama was doing, what Biden was doing.
00:11:20.000There is a real strategic logic to President Trump's policy of America first and ending those forever wars in the Middle East as somebody who's personally experienced those wars on the ground and supporting the U.S. government and the intelligence community.
00:11:33.000Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. It does not have a nuclear bomb.
00:11:38.000But the threshold for the Israelis is a little bit at a different level than the American threshold on what we can accept of an Iranian enrichment of their uranium stockpiles.
00:11:51.000The Israelis think right now that they've got a window of opportunity because Iran doesn't have any air defense capability.
00:11:58.000The Israelis destroyed most of Iran's air defense missiles just a few months ago, so they want to strike first and hard before they believe that Iran can develop that enrichment capability in the future.
00:12:10.000So once you have uranium up a certain level, then you can quickly reach the position where you can then build the bomb.
00:12:18.000But currently, the Iranians do not have that nuclear bomb, but we are really at a crossroads.
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00:19:42.000University of Michigan had a problem last year.
00:19:44.000We found five Chinese nationals attending the University of Michigan who went up to Camp Grayling in the north of Michigan and were caught surveilling activities on the base.
00:19:58.000And so, you know, we had a Chinese student who was a national, admitted that he voted in the election and got away with it and got on an airplane last year and flew back to China.
00:20:17.000And the darndest thing is the law actually counts that vote because you can't separate it out, which is crazy.
00:20:24.000Lastly, and more seriously, we had a case here in Michigan.
00:20:28.000The second set of arrests over the last couple of weeks where students, so-called students, were bringing in biotoxins to go after American crops, wheat, barley.
00:22:00.000You know, what do you wait until someone blows up cars before you solve the problem?
00:22:04.000And similarly, in the university system with the Chinese students, I believe they've signed a document that says they will be loyal to the CCP and report intelligence across the board to be in the U.S.
00:22:17.000And so I'm personally not in favor of solving this problem by just waiting until we find these terrible, you know, intelligence failures on the part of the U.S. for not catching in the first place.
00:22:30.000And I think we've got Bradley Thayer joining us.
00:22:33.000But if you want to respond to that, Mike, and then Bradley, if you want to come on in after that, go ahead, Mike.
00:22:42.000The Chinese changed their constitution a few years back that said if the national security approaches you, Mr. Chinese citizen or Ms. Chinese citizen, you must cooperate.
00:22:54.000You have to give all your documents, all your digital connections.
00:22:57.000So if you're a student at University of Michigan, you go back home and the National Security Service comes to you and says, we want you to do this.
00:23:04.000Even if you're not a trained intelligence agent, you have to do this.
00:23:08.000You have to give them the information of which they ask for.
00:23:11.000I mean, that just introduces a huge risk for any Chinese student that's doing very sensitive research here.
00:23:19.000Listen, I don't mind if a Chinese student comes here and gets a great education on Elizabethan literature.
00:23:23.000Don't care. Great, great. And they get exposed to America when they go home.
00:23:29.000But when you allow these students access to very sensitive things and potentially having access to lab work that could cause problems.
00:23:39.000And by the way, I'm sure you don't find this a coincidence that they came out of Wuhan University.
00:23:44.000I don't know if you know what did Wuhan do for us in 2020?
00:23:48.000I mean, if you start looking at the logic of this, you start going, OK, this is a problem we've got to get ahead of.
00:23:54.000Yeah, no, that's right. And Bradley Thayer with us now, too.
00:23:59.000This is Michigan and Steve Bannon, you know, makes the plane calls years ahead of time.
00:24:04.000He calls them the public ivies. So we got problems here.
00:24:07.000Madison, Harvard's in the books all over the price, right?
00:24:10.000The Kennedy schools having all sorts of linkages and problems, training programs.
00:24:15.000Bradley, how serious is this infiltration of the CCP into our intelligence, into our government administration, into our universities in particular today? Bradley, go ahead.
00:24:29.000Well, Dave, great to join you again. It's such a significant problem, as Congressman Rogers identified, that this is something that has to be addressed.
00:24:41.000The Trump administration is. The congressman mentioned, of course, the national security law.
00:24:46.000There are other laws that the Chinese Communist Party has imposed on businesses in China, for example, cybersecurity laws and others.
00:24:56.000DHS published in 2020 under Acting Secretary Wolf, Chad Wolf, a statement, a warning to U.S. corporations, to U.S. businesses and U.S. entities, warning them.
00:25:10.000So, Dave, that's five years ago now, warning them that any interaction with a Chinese entity might lead to the compromise of your data and almost certainly is going to.