Bannon's War Room - Episode 4459： The Age Of Trump

00:00:00.000 of priorities. This here is a skinny budget. It will be fleshed out in full. But when you're

00:00:04.400 talking about cuts to the National Park Service, cuts to climate science research,

00:00:09.580 cuts to UN peacekeepers, to the NIH, rental assistance at a time when the rent is too

00:00:15.080 damn high, what does it tell you about the priorities, John, of this administration?

00:00:19.660 And we're not just talking, Alicia, it should be clear here, we're not just talking about cuts. 0.98

00:00:23.340 We're not talking about what you usually hear in Washington about, which is a reduction in

00:00:27.500 the expected increase or even a one or two point haircut on these programs. We're talking about

00:00:32.700 tens of billions of dollars from the National Institutes of Health and the Housing and Urban

00:00:37.640 Development Agency. So you've had a big list there. I think we're talking about basically a 20%

00:00:45.840 cut, maybe a little bit more than that in discretionary spending. This is unheard of.

00:00:49.580 No one's ever seen anything like this. It is responsive to Donald Trump's base. It is responsive

00:00:55.400 to Russ Vogt, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, basically the kinds of

00:01:00.180 budgets that he used to write when he was the budget guy for the Republican Study Committee,

00:01:06.200 which at the time was the extreme right wing group in the House, and its budgets never got

00:01:11.080 more than a handful of votes. So we're seeing the dream of Donald Trump to slash the federal

00:01:15.920 government, to cut taxes for the wealthy. And, you know, we will see what Congress says about it.

00:01:21.900 But for the time being, I think there is a clear direction of President Donald Trump to destroy

00:01:28.320 as much as he can of the federal government as fast as he can.

00:01:30.980 Well, right. Of course, right. I mean, at this point, they keep taking these actions that are

00:01:34.760 blatant, in this case, explicitly illegal. And that's, you know, that's sort of a throwaway at

00:01:39.860 this point, because it becomes so much of a reflex of this administration. And what they're out of is

00:01:44.100 part of this larger plan, right, which is to target anything that they feel is oppositional. And

00:01:48.940 that's where we, you know, as we get closer to the midterms, there's an irresistible temptation,

00:01:52.800 which I know is true to think about this in the standard political terms. But I just want to

00:01:58.260 caution everyone that this is different. This is not just another election. They are on an

00:02:02.840 authoritarian run here. They are trying to reshape our country using government in a way that reshapes

00:02:09.880 our culture and what our government represents. They're not they're trying to take away so much of

00:02:14.220 the basic protections and freedoms that we took. So what's an issue with CBS and NPR?

00:02:19.940 One, revenge. They've always hated them. The right wing media has always targeted them as one of the

00:02:23.580 villains because they're a truth teller. And another part of that is, remember, most of the

00:02:27.420 stations that will be affected are in are not the big cities, but actually in the in the in the

00:02:32.720 smaller communities, the smaller stations, the rural areas are the ones that are going to get hit the

00:02:36.420 hardest on that. Taking away an alternative voice just gives Trump and the rest of the right

00:02:40.800 wing media more power, enhancing their narrative dominance. And that, to me, is a big part of it.

00:02:45.600 They're getting rid of the checks, not just legally, but also in the court of public opinion.

00:02:49.980 Well, Angela, you have political calling these cuts unprecedented. But I mean, all four of us know

00:02:54.900 these are not surprising. A lot of this is straight out of Project 2025. Russell Vogt had been

00:03:00.400 telegraphing that this is what they wanted to do if they came back into power. There was a playbook

00:03:07.100 and now they are running the playbook, Angelo. Yeah. I mean, they listed all the things they're

00:03:11.680 going to do. Nothing in here is even remotely, you know, sort of out of left field. I mean,

00:03:16.580 they are getting basically everything they wanted in terms of their first wave of cuts and reductions

00:03:20.940 and gutting. And that is an intentional part of the plan. The other thing, too, is that they're

00:03:26.040 buoyed not just by the sort of whatever sort of confidence they have now in this and whatever

00:03:31.640 authoritarian bet. They're also buoyed by history and a track record. This is not the first

00:03:36.000 time. In 2017, a similar thing happened with his first term. The budget had all these tax

00:03:42.660 cuts in there. It was a deeply unpopular budget. Everyone was going to be mad at Trump over

00:03:47.760 this because they promised that the tax cuts were going to pay for themselves. None of that

00:03:51.940 came true. The only thing that came true was that rich people got a massive tax cut out

00:03:55.680 of Trump's bill that wasn't funded. And yet people still walked away with the broader

00:04:00.380 feeling and impression that somehow Trump is better on the economy than an alternative Democrat would

00:04:08.860 be. And that that to me is the scary part about this, is that they not only think that they can

00:04:13.880 jam this through. History says that they probably have a pretty good track record, not just jamming

00:04:18.920 it through, but getting away with it. Trump won and Trump, too. There's really an attempt to sideline

00:04:24.020 the courts. And there's always been this attempt to sideline Congress, but now to sideline the courts

00:04:29.720 as well. I mean, they're doing a few things. One is they're moving people around all the time to

00:04:34.300 try to keep us from getting into the right court. So we go to one court and get an injunction, then

00:04:39.240 they move people to another. I mean, even with this Alien Enemies Act, that piece you just you just

00:04:44.060 played, he signs it on March 14th, doesn't tell anybody, but we find out they're starting to get

00:04:50.960 people ready. Then they finally publish it on the 15th. But the statute says very clearly you're

00:04:56.300 supposed to publish the Alien Enemies Act proclamation. If you want to use it, make it

00:05:01.660 public. But they're already trying to move it before it becomes public. We go, we find out that

00:05:08.160 people are being moved. We go into court and then they say, well, you're too early. Well, you don't

00:05:12.220 wait. It hasn't been published it, but the people would have been gone. And as you said, they were

00:05:15.500 already some people gone. The DOJ no longer enforcing justice. The whole dismantling of

00:05:21.660 DEI, everything the DOJ has done thus far has been in support of this administration. They've

00:05:27.280 attacked the courts to undermine the court's trust with the public for when the courts actually do

00:05:32.260 speak. They are attacking the whole prospect of the nationwide injunction. So it's going to make it

00:05:36.520 harder for people to challenge the administration's actions. They'll have to do it in every different

00:05:40.840 jurisdiction. That'll be entirely unwieldy. They are subjugating law firms and they are trying to

00:05:46.440 attack public interest firms, too. All of that is about reducing the amount of legal resources

00:05:51.120 available for this fight. It is not a coincidence. This is a strategy to make the law no longer work

00:05:58.140 for the people. We haven't really faced, I think, what will be the defining crisis, which will be

00:06:04.400 the president either accepting a contrary decision likely from the Supreme Court on an issue of great

00:06:11.400 significance or trying to reject it and trying to defy it. And that moment is coming. You know,

00:06:18.880 the word crisis comes from the Greek vernacular about health care. Crisis is the moment in a disease

00:06:25.880 where a patient lives or dies. And don't want to be overly hyperbolic on a Friday evening, but

00:06:33.920 we will have a crisis for the rule of law, I think, before this year is out. And here's hoping that

00:06:42.160 the institutions, the judges, the lawmakers, and the citizens hold on to that rule of law,

00:06:48.240 no matter what their impulses at the moment might be.

00:06:54.140 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these

00:07:02.880 people. You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The

00:07:08.920 people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do

00:07:12.880 everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:07:16.120 And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

00:07:24.060 these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer

00:07:31.180 is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:36.260 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:07:39.620 It's Saturday, 3 May in the year of our Lord, 2025. We're here. We're going to get into all this

00:07:50.680 Caniac. Citizen Kane's going to join us here shortly to go through this firestorm that's come up about

00:07:56.760 the budget that the Russ Vogt and the team put out yesterday from the White House. We'll get into all

00:08:02.000 that. I actually had a great honor to speak this morning already as a keynote speaker to the last day

00:08:09.140 of the Center for Renewing America conference where Russ Vogt, Mark Paoletta, that entire team,

00:08:15.860 Jeff Clark, all the great heroes of the interregnum in President Trump's four years that did all this

00:08:22.580 and made sure the days of thunder and flood the zone were, you could actually effectuate. They're

00:08:27.860 now in for the second hundred days. Really one of the most dangerous and controversial part times of

00:08:33.780 the American Republic's history, which we're now rolling out in the first couple of days. And

00:08:40.660 MSNBC is actually right. There are conversions of crises here and whoever kind of wins the next

00:08:45.700 hundred days is going to be really driving the agenda. And so it's quite important. I want to go

00:08:50.180 to Rome. Ben Harnwell. Yesterday I did this interview or republished interview I did with Archbishop

00:08:56.100 Vigan. I want to get to that in a moment. Ben, where are you? The reporting out of Europe

00:09:03.220 is so important about what you've accomplished and what we've put together at our monastery is

00:09:08.660 kind of the counter to the radicalness of Bergoglio in trying to keep the, hopefully keep the church on

00:09:15.860 track by being a rally point for conservatives and more importantly for traditionalists. Where are you

00:09:21.540 today? And where do we stand with this upcoming conclave, sir? Steve, good morning. Well, I'm here

00:09:29.540 live from St. Peter's Piazza. You can get a sense of the fact that the Piazza is already now starting

00:09:36.260 to fill up with pilgrims in expectation of the conclave by the fact that this mobile signal is

00:09:43.300 slower than usual. That's because there are a couple of thousand people behind me. This always happens in

00:09:47.940 Rome when lots of people gather together. There is a diminution of the of mobile signals. So that's

00:09:53.700 an indication. There's an excitement in the air, a buzz in the air. People are starting to discuss

00:09:59.620 now in real terms who the potential names might be. I mentioned one name because I know this is

00:10:05.220 something that you've been hammering on on the war and this is the danger to do with American-born 0.65

00:10:10.580 Cardinal Prevost. Already the world's mainstream media seems to have picked him as their flag bearer.

00:10:18.100 You have articles by the New York Times, by Crooks, which is basically the Catholic version of the New

00:10:23.300 York Times. And they're pushing articles against him in his favor, one after another. If I might just

00:10:29.540 quickly highlight this, this is the guy to avoid, Steve. This is one of the principal people we do not

00:10:34.020 want to see come out onto that loger behind me with a new papal regnal name. But already to give an

00:10:41.380 example of the things that people are saying, the National Catholic Reporter, known as the National

00:10:48.020 Catholic Distorter for its accuracy, has highlighted Cardinal Prevost and his interest in dialogue.

00:10:56.260 Crooks argues that Prevost would maintain Pope Francis's substance, but with

00:11:03.380 more pragmatic, cautious and discreet leadership. Steve, God save us from that.

00:11:11.220 No, this is, we got this, we obviously were fairly dialed in there. And from the very early,

00:11:18.580 really, even before the funeral, but from the early days, there was this push behind the scenes

00:11:25.300 to say, hey, let's keep the Americans on board because they're 80% of the cash flow.

00:11:29.700 But we actually have somebody here that's more, that's more organized, but even more progressive

00:11:35.860 than Bergoglio. And so they feel that they got a, they got every win in the world. They get,

00:11:40.660 they basically have the, you know, this, this myth of no American Pope. They go through that.

00:11:46.020 They lock in the American church, particularly the donors are now feel obligated to back an American

00:11:50.820 Pope. So they'll lock in the cash they so desperately need from the American church. And they'll have somebody

00:11:56.340 they think is even more organized than Bergoglio. And they will have somebody that's actually farther

00:12:01.220 to the left than he is. Your thoughts, is that basically what the, the people driving this agenda

00:12:08.180 behind the scenes are looking at?

00:12:11.300 Yeah, but I have to say, I think they're slightly on the wrong foot this time around.

00:12:16.020 But the difference from, from being, uh, when in verticals, Pope Francis was elected in 2013.

00:12:24.500 And the difference is, is that they no longer have a friendly force guiding the international

00:12:31.380 pressure. Like for example, Macron is doing in France, uh, on, on his cardinals, because in the

00:12:37.540 sense that they no longer that this, the, the, the deep state, the global deep state, what, uh,

00:12:43.540 what Archbishop Vigano calls the deep church, it no longer has control of the white house.

00:12:49.780 And this is crucially important because it's a, it's a missing element now. And this is the power

00:12:54.260 of the war audience. Obviously this is the power of MAGA. What it does mean in this, in this time

00:12:59.140 round is that you cannot be the, the, the, the, the, the Klaus Schwab, uh, the, the, the, the von

00:13:04.660 the lion, the, the, the, the people who set the agenda behind the scenes, and then have it repeated

00:13:10.420 via the Catholic church. They can no longer use the white house to push their guy in, um, this time

00:13:17.060 around. So they are doing exactly what you said. Uh, but we have a far stronger hand this time around.

00:13:25.220 Uh, hang on for a second, Ben, uh, we're going to take a short commercial break.

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00:13:32.740 Vigano. I mean, he throws down hard and says there was actually a, a plot that was executed

00:13:38.420 to make sure Bergoglio became Pope. And he's very specific about it, about the deep state,

00:13:42.580 the world economic forum, and what he calls the deep church. We'll break it all down for you. Ben

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00:16:22.900 Okay, let's go back to the Vatican in St. Peter's Square. Our own Ben Harnwell, tell us about

00:16:32.100 Vigano really connected the dots of the Obama administration, the deep state,

00:16:36.260 in the United States, the world economic forum, the deep state internationally, these intelligence

00:16:40.180 services, these political operatives, these the money, and also talk about how it manifests itself

00:16:47.300 in the deep church. Walk us through the highlights of the interview, sir.

00:16:50.900 Well, I tell you this, the quote that caught... Yeah, I can hear you. Have you lost me?

00:17:06.260 Yeah, we're good. Go ahead. No, no, we got you. Go ahead.

00:17:08.340 Have you still got me? Okay.

00:17:09.940 Yes, go ahead.

00:17:10.820 The quote that really caught my attention here is when Archbishop Vigano says,

00:17:15.620 hatred for the traditional mass is one of the hallmarks of the enemies of Christ. And this being

00:17:22.740 Archbishop Vigano, he's also clearly talking about Satan, because his whole ecclesiology of the

00:17:30.820 present moment is definitely the reign of Satan over the world and over Christ's church as well. 0.51

00:17:37.380 I flag up for our Protestant brethren this fact. Whether you buy into a lot of what the Catholic

00:17:43.060 church teaches in terms of its piety and its traditions or not, even Protestants will recognize

00:17:51.540 that Satan in demonic possession has an absolute supernatural or preternatural hatred of the

00:18:00.100 crucifix of the cross, of Christ crucified. So all I would mention to our Protestant friends is to

00:18:07.140 carry that thought process along because it is exactly the same and arguably even more demonstrable,

00:18:14.420 Satan's hatred of the traditional Latin mass. I'll mention that and then pass on it.

00:18:19.220 We'll come to develop that point a little further, Steve. The point is, and this is why Archbishop

00:18:25.300 Vigano is absolutely heroic. It's because he is speaking up for the ordinary pilgrims and Catholics

00:18:33.380 who go to mass every Sunday, because all of the rest of the bishops, all the rest of the cardinals are

00:18:38.980 not doing. They are hiring shepherds at great personal cost. Archbishop Vigano has been a tireless

00:18:47.380 voice. And I think, you know, I strongly recommend that Liz has pushed this out. It's on the Warren website.

00:18:52.660 I'm going to push out this interview as well. Everybody must read it because of what Archbishop

00:18:57.620 Vigano is saying. And I'll say this, that guy has been in hiding, I think, for the last seven or eight

00:19:03.780 years since he produced his exposé, his dossier on the child sex abuse scandal in the church and

00:19:12.100 Pope Francis' lack of action. The fact that he was promoting cardinals constantly, like McCarrick.

00:19:18.740 Only Vigano spoke up. And there is now, within the war room ambit, within the wider, if we ever

00:19:25.220 take Trisulti, within the wider MAGA family here, there is now a direct line. This is the point I want

00:19:32.740 to say. This is the direct line between Archbishop Vigano's solitary witness in defense of ordinary

00:19:39.620 Catholics and this radio show, this television show, this transmission. There is that line.

00:19:44.900 Again, this is the show that speaks out and says the message that all the Catholic media

00:19:51.540 are too afraid to touch. This is where people need to come to find out what is the horrific

00:19:56.900 stories that are taking place over my shoulder in the Vatican, Steve.

00:20:00.460 How is this going to play out now? How is this going to play out in this conclave? Because we saw

00:20:07.020 what Vigano said before, hey, you had the political muscle of the progressive left globalist back in

00:20:14.860 2012 and 2013 that manifested itself by getting Bergoglio in. Now their alternative is to come with an

00:20:23.260 American to try to get the Americans to buy off, to keep the cash flow from the American church,

00:20:28.220 which the Vatican desperately needs because they have an insolvency crisis. They have plenty of

00:20:33.660 assets, assets all over the world in real assets, real estate, but they have limited cash flow because

00:20:40.700 so many of the church, so many of the folks in the old regular church don't go anymore because it's

00:20:46.140 gotten too radical. And the traditional church, as you know, we've tried to cut these guys off from

00:20:50.940 getting access to the money. But in Prevost, they've got somebody who's actually more lethal than

00:20:57.180 Bergoglio because he's more organized, he's more radically left, sir.

00:21:03.020 Steve, look, that's exactly the point here. You've got two questions here, two issues. You've got the

00:21:08.140 role of the laity in the ability, the talent, the resources that the laity have, which is not being

00:21:15.900 used. And I'd like to close with that point when I come back to the laity. And I think that the laity

00:21:21.580 should have a role in what's taking place over my shoulder in just a few days' time in the choosing

00:21:26.540 of the Pope. But you also have the Vigano point as well. So these two things, to do with the fact

00:21:35.340 that the church is bankrupt, one of the reasons that the church, the Vatican, has no money is because

00:21:41.420 you had a lot of serious, pious, sincere American businessmen giving money every year to the Pope

00:21:54.940 and his initiatives via the Papal Foundation and what have you. And they had a difficulty in getting

00:22:03.980 the money coming in. Why? Because Pope Francis was constantly doing two things. He was criticizing

00:22:10.300 capitalism and he was playing up his hatred of America. But how are you going to get American

00:22:15.900 capitalists to give money if all you're doing is showing that contempt and hatred for them? And in fact,

00:22:22.060 indicating that American capitalists are the very antithesis of Christ's gospel. So that is one of the

00:22:27.900 reasons that the Vatican is heading towards bankruptcy. And I can only regret the fact that

00:22:35.340 not my Pope died before the incoming hit the fan on that one, because he should have been around to see

00:22:42.860 this particular disaster that he had created for the church and for the faithful. Staying on the

00:22:48.780 point of the faithful, this church has a medieval organization, right? It's structure. The faith goes

00:22:57.020 back 2,000 years, but it's essential governing system goes back 1,000 years, a bit over 13 years,

00:23:03.900 and it hasn't really changed. One of the things, and I close with this point, Steve, one of the things

00:23:09.580 as a practicing classic that really offends me is that I have no real say in the running of the church.

00:23:16.300 And that wouldn't be a bad thing if the bishops and the cardinals who are charged with running the

00:23:22.140 church were doing a good job, but they're doing an appalling job. They're doing an appalling job on what

00:23:26.940 it really belongs to their office, like Christ has entrusted to them, which is feeding the sheep,

00:23:31.980 preserving the faith. Well, if we judge them on the metric of preserving the faith, we can see how

00:23:36.540 badly they failed. But even on the worldly things like the governance of the church,

00:23:42.220 the discipline of priests and bishops, it's doing an even worse job. And those guys over my shoulder,

00:23:49.660 their approach to us has never changed since the dark ages. The laity's job is to pay, to pray, and obey.

00:23:57.820 They came up with happy talk about involving the laity, but fundamentally, we're closed out of that room

00:24:04.060 in four days' time when they start choosing a paper. We're locked up, and we're supposed to applaud

00:24:08.700 whoever they pull out there on their balcony. And that's really, I think that's disgraceful and

00:24:14.060 offensive, because they're failing, and because it's patronizing. And it wasn't always that way

00:24:19.420 in the church, Steve. Let's go to that.

00:24:23.420 1,600 years ago, the laity of the Rome picked the Pope.

00:24:28.860 Well, let's go to that, because one of the criticisms they throw at us is that, oh,

00:24:32.940 you guys are just nothing more than your traditional Latin mass, but the structure,

00:24:38.780 the power structure you want is close to Protestantism. That's one of the big things 0.99

00:24:43.420 that Luther and the Reformation are about, that we're trying to impose a more Protestant hierarchy

00:24:49.740 or a more Protestant organization on the church. Your response?

00:24:54.540 Well, firstly, from the official Catholic position, what is the problem with that? They love the

00:24:59.500 Protestants. They have breakfast meetings with them. They have prayer gatherings with them.

00:25:03.980 The people that they don't like are us, the traditionalist Catholics, the people that don't 0.95

00:25:08.780 think the faith should change as it moves down the generations. But if that is their criticism of us,

00:25:15.100 oh, that's Protestant, well, isn't there a certain dissonance here? Because all they do is praise 0.88

00:25:20.140 Protestantism, right? From the fact when Not My Pope pulled up in the St. Paul VI, excuse me,

00:25:26.620 the Pope Paul VI audience hall, the bust of Luther. They love Protestantism. What's the problem?

00:25:33.660 Second point, Steve, and I close with this, which is more fundamental. CCP generals have the ability

00:25:41.180 to pick Catholic bishops under this secret toxic Vatican-China agreement. That agreement is so toxic,

00:25:49.020 we're not even allowed to see it. Don't tell me, Vatican, that the CCP generals, when they're

00:25:54.620 persecuting the faith in China, can pick bishops, but we can't. That's just disgusting. 0.90

00:26:04.060 Ben, where do people go to keep up with this? By the way, I also want to announce that Jack

00:26:08.460 Posopic is going to go over to work with Ben for the coverage. We're going to have a wall-to-wall

00:26:15.100 or the Conclave, and I think we're going to try to get Jack over there as soon as possible. He'll go

00:26:18.700 with a special correspondent for the War Room, because we're going to take a ton of his time.

00:26:23.900 He'll also be doing a show from over there. We'll take a ton of his time.

00:26:27.500 And we'll make a formal announcement of that, I think, tomorrow or Monday.

00:26:31.580 Where do people go to get all your content, sir, particularly over the weekend? Because

00:26:35.740 things are going to run pretty hot on this.

00:26:39.020 Well, Steve, I can't wait for Posse to come out here. We'll finally see who's

00:26:42.140 able to drink more, the Poles or the Brits. I'm on getter, Steve, at Harnwell. My profile is at

00:26:48.220 Harnwell. It's the Brits. We know the answer before we even ask the question. I'll drink that

00:26:52.380 guy under the table. Naval career unknown. On getter at Harnwell. Thanks, Steve. God bless.

00:26:58.300 Catch you on Monday.

00:26:58.940 He doesn't want to hear about the intelligence officer. People should understand Ben Harnwell is

00:27:03.580 one of the most competitive people I've ever met in my life. That's one of the reasons I love him.

00:27:07.500 Ben Harnwell, thank you so much, brother. Look forward to getting you back here on Monday and

00:27:11.100 reading all your content over the weekend. Thank you, sir.

00:27:15.260 Grace and Mo have pushed out. Up on our site is the interview. I think Complicit Clergy,

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00:27:37.580 state in the deep church? He's the guy. And he got excommunicated for it. He's been excommunicated by

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00:29:32.660 The party has replaced the power of the purse. Congress no longer defends its institutional

00:29:37.600 prerogatives or not very much. That said, I think you'll see some pushback in some areas.

00:29:43.280 For example, the low-income home energy assistance program, LIHEAP. This is a program where you've got

00:29:50.700 hundreds of thousands of people getting heating and cooling assistance in a variety of states,

00:29:56.980 among them the big swing states, Pennsylvania and Michigan, all throughout the South,

00:30:01.520 where you get air conditioning assistance from the LIHEAP program. That's one that's popular. I think

00:30:05.900 there'll be some pushback on. I think you'll see some pushback on the National Endowment for the

00:30:09.840 Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities. But overall, I think Republicans are going to do

00:30:14.160 their darndest to support Trump. And I think what has changed since 2017 is that you've got a

00:30:20.640 Republican Party in Congress that is not only much more aligned with Trump, but very, very afraid of

00:30:25.640 his base in primaries, which is the most likely way that any of them will lose. And so I think

00:30:30.700 they're going to do what they can to pass what he wants and maybe make a few adjustments here and

00:30:34.660 they were so very clear what the trade-off actually was. Usually they leave that part

00:30:38.500 out of the budget. They don't make it clear what they're going to take away from you. In this case,

00:30:41.960 they were very clear. I think the first question I asked that was really important in response to

00:30:47.700 the current landscape, because that strange confusion and tension about the defense spending

00:30:52.220 is critical. Because Trump, one of the things within the larger sort of right-wing ecosystem

00:30:57.500 that obviously helps sort of have that swirling cauldron of support for Trump's narratives and false

00:31:02.280 narrative and support for him, is this weird, there are obviously contradictions and tensions

00:31:07.600 everywhere, but one of the tensions is in defense spending. There's a traditional sort of hawkish,

00:31:13.160 you know, they want as much defense spending as you can possibly get. And then there's another part of

00:31:18.460 their coalition that is much more nationalistic, wants to look inward, much more populist, wants to

00:31:23.160 butt and cut defense spending first and really take it away. And so in a strange way, this confusion

00:31:28.840 actually helps them. Because if you're sitting in the right-wing media right now, depending on where

00:31:33.140 you tune in, that's the one place where they're saying different things. Some say, yeah, you know,

00:31:38.040 this is really bad for defense spending because they're spending too much, right? Some are saying

00:31:42.060 the opposite. When it comes to the other thing, they're all saying that there's not going to be

00:31:45.340 any cuts or sacrifice. It's only waste, fraud, and abuse that they're getting rid of in Medicare and

00:31:49.180 Medicaid to the extent they ever acknowledge that. But that's the part where I think it's an advantage.

00:31:53.100 That's something to really hammer home. So that fracture becomes a full-blown crack.

00:31:56.680 The salvation here has to be the populace. And the salvation is clearly not Congress,

00:32:02.720 which has not been doing anything. The courts can only do so much. Remember, a lot of what we're

00:32:09.440 talking about is something that may be illegal, but there's a whole lot that's going on that is

00:32:15.480 legal and just improvident. And so that's where you really need those pulse. I mean, that is why that

00:32:23.520 is ultimately the key issue. But what we're seeing in terms of the attack on the judiciary,

00:32:28.060 I mean, nobody should be surprised. This is a man who is a convicted felon sitting now in the Oval

00:32:37.760 Office. We saw him attack prosecutors and the courts for the entire time that he was under indictment.

00:32:45.480 So now you will start seeing the exact same thing. It's the reason he has attacked the media,

00:32:51.520 anybody who stands up. And part of it, even when he loses, is fear. So the idea of attacking

00:32:59.960 the law firms is that they have the fear they will obey in advance. The attacking of universities is,

00:33:06.820 so you have fear in obeying in advance, even if he loses. The international students,

00:33:12.420 international scholars, thinking twice about coming here, scientists thinking, you know what,

00:33:20.180 better to be doing this in Canada, in England, in France. I mean, the repercussions because of the

00:33:27.560 nature of what he is doing, even if the courts ultimately say you can't do this, are enormous.

00:33:34.340 Well, he sees his next hundred days the way he's seen his last X number of days in life,

00:33:40.740 which is that it is about him. It's not about us. It's not about we, the people. It's not about

00:33:48.220 a world in which we try to fulfill the implications of the Declaration of Independence. And this is not

00:33:56.740 some reflexively partisan anti-Trump point. It's simply the case. And we're not, we don't do ourselves

00:34:04.420 any favors. We aren't, I think, doing our jobs as citizens if we don't call them as we see them.

00:34:12.120 And what we've seen for the last decade, and it's now been a decade, is that we are living in an age

00:34:19.380 of Trump. There's no question about that. He has set the terms of the debate, and many people are

00:34:27.640 defined now by their reaction to the terms he has set. And I think what, without any fear really of

00:34:37.600 serious contradiction, I think we can say that he is taking a cult of personality. He has used that

00:34:46.260 to take over a major political party. And he is now in his second term of trying to make the world

00:34:55.380 in his image, as opposed to an image where we can all figure out a way to live lives of

00:35:03.420 prosperity and purpose. And it's a remarkable thing. No American president has ever held this

00:35:09.960 kind of grip, has ever had this kind of grip on the American imagination. And I don't like saying

00:35:17.100 things are unprecedented. It's against my business model. But in this case, in this case, it is unprecedented.

00:35:25.380 Oh, my God. What a Saturday morning. The John Meacham, one of the great haters, actually said,

00:35:36.280 I'm going to replay that one in the second hour, that this is the age of Trump. What we've said on

00:35:41.880 the show for years and years and years, John Meacham says, you can't dispute it. It's the age of

00:35:46.420 Trump. And no American president. Meacham's the historian of the presidents. One of them. But the

00:35:54.980 Morning Joe crowd, the Washington consensus, just said no American president has ever had a grip on

00:36:03.860 power like President Trump. Wow. From Meacham, not from War Room, not from Bannon, from John Meacham.

00:36:10.380 Stunning. Stunning. I want to bring in Kane now. The president of Media Matters, who's a really smart

00:36:20.340 guy, hates MAGA, hates Trump, hates War Room, hates all of us, but a smart guy. I'll play that clip in

00:36:28.360 the middle of that again. By the way, the team did a magnificent job of bringing all the different

00:36:32.780 elements of these clips together for the last couple of days. He got it. So Kaneiak.

00:36:41.260 Kane. One of the things I love about Citizens Free Press, and I was at the Drudge of the right,

00:36:47.440 it's 10 times better than Drudge. You are at where Drudge was with peak Drudge back with

00:36:54.580 Andrew Breitbart was one of his, it was Andrew 12, it was 12 on, 12 off. Andrew do 12,

00:36:59.900 Drudge would do 12, back in the 2004, 5, 6, all the way up to 10, 11, until Andrew went separate

00:37:07.780 ways to do the Breitbart, refinance the Breitbart site, and then Drudge lost it after Trump won at

00:37:13.720 16. Whether he got bought off or invested, who knows, but it radically shifted, but also got lazy.

00:37:19.120 It's nowhere, it doesn't have the impact, it's also not brilliantly thought through as you and your

00:37:23.660 stack. Tell people why, because yesterday the budget came out, and you and I are in sync on this,

00:37:29.460 and this is, remember, Rush votes the architect here, this is Project 2025, this is CRA, I just

00:37:35.260 gave the keynote address over there this morning, the third one I've done for the three years they've

00:37:39.060 been kind of up and running, or since they've had these conferences. You know, it's 22% on

00:37:45.860 the discretionary side, the defense budget's a major increase, although the defense guys are

00:37:52.020 yelling at us. But you immediately, when this thing goes up, Cain has got the way to look at it,

00:37:57.860 I think, the sophisticated way, in the stack, red and green, he's letting you know this is important,

00:38:04.180 you need to pay attention here, and you're all over this, like, hey, this is not nearly enough,

00:38:09.320 this is a nice first cut, but we're not going to get there here. So walk me through, what is your

00:38:14.500 obsession with federal spending? What is your obsession? How has that driven you as a news

00:38:20.960 person? Because you weren't a news person for decades, you're a trader, you know, a Wall Street

00:38:25.560 guy in the, you know, you're trading securities daily and playing golf, working on that handicap,

00:38:32.660 and then all of a sudden you're one of the most significant people in the world on news. But it

00:38:36.880 was driven by your obsession with federal spending, sir.

00:38:40.000 Yeah, that's correct. First of all, I got to say, Meacham got it completely wrong. I just got

00:38:46.020 to put this in there. It is not a cult of personality. It's the will of the people. This

00:38:50.660 is what MSNBC doesn't understand. They don't understand the working class coalition, and that

00:38:56.140 Trump, we aren't driven by Trump. We're driven by the ideas behind America First. Now I'll get to

00:39:01.960 your question. You're exactly right, Bannon. You remember our conversation as well that we've

00:39:06.160 had in different text, in different text threads. I was interning for CNN in Washington, D.C. in the

00:39:12.680 summer of 1987. I was a young kid of 20 years old. I was doing my resume tape on the overnight shift

00:39:19.700 in the last two weeks of the internship. Now this is early CNN. This is Bernie Shaw, Bernard Shaw.

00:39:26.240 This is 87. I think it existed for just a couple of years. So it wasn't a left wing, you know,

00:39:31.840 sort of a hateful left wing rag. And so I'm over there in the overnight. One of the overnight

00:39:36.900 producers is like, the national debt just crossed $2 trillion. $2 trillion. I'd never really even

00:39:42.640 heard about the national debt. Didn't understand the difference between debt and deficits. And that

00:39:47.500 sort of struck my interest at that point. And you can go back and talk to my friends. Starting back in

00:39:52.920 87 is when I started to get extremely upset about this stuff, because I was looking at, you know,

00:39:59.160 future, you know, unfunded mandates, the future money that was going to have to be laid out.

00:40:04.140 So it's been a, you know, this has been a thing that's been going on now for, for 40 years for me. So

00:40:09.640 yeah, I, you talked about Drudge, you and I in our various discussions, and I know how tight you sort

00:40:15.280 of, obviously you were with Andrew, but as well with Drudge himself. And, and you talked about the

00:40:21.140 heyday, you know, 02 to sort of 2010, when, when Drudge was really pushing it out. And, and,

00:40:28.220 you know, and I was a reader of that site, and I just always thought that there needed to be an

00:40:31.900 alternative. Not that Drudge was doing it wrong, but just that he didn't do enough stories in a day.

00:40:37.480 You know, he would do 50, 60, maybe back then he was doing closer to 100. But you're correct in

00:40:42.540 pointing out that he's not really even trying anymore, if he's still running the site, because

00:40:46.940 they're really just doing 50, 55, 60 stories. So I always thought there should be an alternative.

00:40:53.040 I knew it would, it would change my life. I mean, look, this is 415 straight weekends that I'm

00:41:00.080 working. This, it's the, as you know, it was the eighth anniversary of Citizen Free Press's launch

00:41:06.140 just two days ago on May 1st. It was May 1st, 2017. So this is 3,000 straight days. So I knew that it,

00:41:13.240 once I started, that if the site became popular, that I would never be able to stop, right? So I

00:41:19.140 put it off, I put it off a long time. And I didn't actually, to wrap this up, I didn't actually wait

00:41:25.680 for Trump, excuse me, for Drudge to turn on Trump as he started to in that March, April, May period of

00:41:33.880 2017 when the Comey stuff was first breaking. That was just when I happened to launch. So I did not

00:41:40.760 launch because Drudge turned against Trump or turned against America first. I launched just

00:41:45.720 because I think there needed, I thought there needed to be another site up with more links

00:41:50.560 every day. So that was the, that is what led to May 1st. I've got a lot more, but I'll let you

00:41:57.640 interject. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hang on. We're gonna go to a commercial break. I'm gonna keep

00:42:01.820 you around for a while because I want to get to, for people to understand the site, the stack,

00:42:06.380 and particularly you do the best, you do the best pulling together of different, whether it's

00:42:12.240 Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, all the great blogs out there to talk about

00:42:17.060 really the, the underlying economic and financial crisis we have. This summer, the second hundred

00:42:23.140 days, this is the speech I just gave at CRA, that we're going to have the convergence of multiple

00:42:28.860 crises, both the kinetic part of the Third World War, coupled with this, the issue about Trump being a

00:42:36.200 commander-in-chief, the constitutional crisis on the deportations, coupled with this financial and

00:42:42.020 economic crisis. Let's hang on for a second, Cain. We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:42:45.960 The situation down in Texas, we're going to start covering in detail, well, we're covering in detail,

00:42:50.800 but I mean, we're going to have the players on starting next week. There's something deeply wrong

00:42:55.300 in the state of Texas right now. It's a MAGA state. The House has been taken over, given by the

00:43:00.900 RINOs to the Democrats, and they're passing some incredibly just bizarro laws. Also, this question

00:43:06.900 of what's going on with these mosques and these Islamic centers, we're going to get to all of it.

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00:45:34.440 this, it was 30 years then roughly from that day as an intern, when you found, you heard about this

00:45:40.620 thing called the national debt to the day, really, when you launched Citizens Free Press, about 30

00:45:46.680 years, okay, of you doing other things. For eight years, every day, you've worked this relentless. You're

00:45:52.440 back to the old drudge, even pre-Andrew, right? So you're doing it, you're doing it 24-7. The, I want to

00:45:58.380 make sure somebody, because the convergence above his budget, but I would actually argue in the

00:46:04.340 reality of CNN at that time, and the reason it resonated was not Bernie Schar, who was a, who's a

00:46:08.780 hardcore lefty, was Lou Dobbs. President Trump, the formation of this movement, Lou Dobbs is the

00:46:17.120 railhead of the guy that was saying back then, trade, trade deficits, and the focus was Japan,

00:46:23.980 because very quickly after the crash, you know, Japan crashed, right, in the early 90s,

00:46:33.420 and never really to recover, although they've got massive trade deficits with this. China took it

00:46:38.800 over because the Bush Hunter in the early 90s, and the Clintons gave a most favored nation,

00:46:44.100 and WTO, and really, you know, pardoned with the Chinese Communist Party. So as we're here today,

00:46:50.540 we have, for a young man as an intern, we had only two trade and a debt. We had a very small trade

00:46:57.900 deficit. We had some, but not huge. We had a pristine balance sheet, basically. We were a

00:47:03.200 manufacturing hegemon still. We were starting to lose it. The 80s, you start to see losing it,

00:47:08.140 right? 70s and 80s. But the catastrophe before us, as you went about your Wall Street trading,

00:47:14.200 did it ever dawn on you as you were a trader that the country was being gutted, both by trade and by

00:47:20.960 the spending? Because those are the double whammies that have us in the freaking jam we're in today, 1.00

00:47:26.680 sir. Yeah, absolutely it dawned on me, dude. Ross Perot. I mean, I was 100% on the Ross Perot 0.63

00:47:35.800 train, and not because I thought, you know, yeah, he was talking about the national debt when Clinton

00:47:40.180 and Bush weren't. But he was also talking about what was going to happen to the jobs and the giant

00:47:44.940 sucking sound, obviously. So I saw that coming, and I didn't buy it even at the time. I didn't

00:47:51.200 really buy the, drink the Kool-Aid that the cheap textile jobs would go overseas and go to Mexico,

00:47:57.160 and, you know, the higher wage jobs would come back so quickly and so easily. And they obviously

00:48:02.500 haven't, and Perot has proved to be correct. So yeah, I saw it. But yeah, Ben, I want to really get

00:48:07.540 into this budget stuff because you talked about it. Look, you played MSNBC. These guys are freaking

00:48:12.800 out about $163 billion in cuts to non-defense discretionary, right? That was like $750 million

00:48:20.980 in the previous budget, in last year's fiscal year budget, and we're cutting it down to the $580

00:48:25.900 million range. And they're freaking out because these are all the programs they love. They don't

00:48:31.060 want a 23% cut in any, they don't want a 2% cut in any of it. But, you know, getting into why I was

00:48:38.220 upset yesterday and why every time there's something about the budget, why I break it down

00:48:42.760 is this. All I'm looking for, Bannon, is a path to a balanced budget. And I understand that Trump

00:48:49.480 didn't talk a huge amount in this campaign season about the national debt, but it's an understood

00:48:55.100 thing. You and I both realize, and others as well, the importance of it. So I was sort of hoping that

00:49:00.560 in four years, we could knock this thing down $600 billion a year and get the deficit back,

00:49:06.400 you know, by 2028, approaching that zero mark, right? Because the whole point, what people need

00:49:12.060 to understand about the deficit, and obviously in the accumulation of the annual deficits being the

00:49:18.160 national debt, what they don't understand is interest on the national debt. I gave some charts

00:49:23.000 to your producer before the show today to show how interest has really gone from the sort of $300 billion

00:49:29.040 a year range to this year, this fiscal year, we're only halfway through it, and we're at $582 billion.

00:49:35.600 You see it right there. So on $37 trillion in national debt, if you're having to finance it at

00:49:41.580 3.284%, it's going to cost $1.1 trillion. So that's going to make it the single largest

00:49:47.960 non-discretionary item in the budget. It's going to be larger than defense. We heard yesterday defense

00:49:53.720 is likely to be $1.01 trillion, and interest on the debt at $1.1. So why does this matter? Think

00:50:00.120 about it, people. We only bring in $5 trillion, about $5.1 trillion in total federal revenues,

00:50:05.620 right? We're spending $7.5. We're bringing in $5.1, and $1.1 of it is interest on the debt.

00:50:12.640 That's 20% of our total federal revenues that we're having to spend on the monthly visa bill

00:50:18.900 just to keep it from going up. And I'll quickly say, you know, when I put links in the stack, like

00:50:24.260 look at the national debt four years from now, right? This day in 2029 at $47 trillion. First of

00:50:30.900 all, we're going to be lucky if it's at $47 trillion. It's very possible that it's going to

00:50:35.200 be closer to $50 trillion. And the point is the financing cost on $50 trillion at 3.24%,

00:50:42.220 that's $1.6 trillion in interest payments. You know, I've always, I've been, I've been worried

00:50:49.260 about this for 30 years, right? Wondering what's the breaking point? Well, the breaking point is the

00:50:53.720 bond market. You and I both realized we saw what happened three weeks ago when the bond market kind

00:50:58.060 of did a few wiggles and waggles when it wasn't, when it was a little bit worried about this Republican

00:51:02.700 budget. That's the point. When the bond market goes, when it decides that it needs 1% more or 2% more

00:51:10.160 on every, you know, every length of treasury, then we can no longer finance our debt. As people

00:51:15.680 have said, how do countries go bankrupt? Very, very slowly. And then all of a sudden,

00:51:21.060 all it really takes is for the bond market to give up on U.S. Treasuries. And my, you know,

00:51:26.280 the reason I'm screaming right now, and the reason I'm screaming all over the website is we're finally

00:51:31.080 getting close to that choking point, Bannon. We're getting close to the point where interest on the

00:51:36.360 debt is so large. It takes them such a percentage of our federal revenues raised that we can no

00:51:42.320 longer spend on anything. And so that's why I'm sounding the alarm now, because I would rather

00:51:47.460 than Trump, you know, putting on 10 or 11 trillion, just like Biden did. I'm not just blaming Trump.

00:51:53.220 And Trump's numbers were much lower, by the way, before COVID. Before COVID, Trump had gotten the

00:51:58.960 Obama annual deficits down from like the 1.8 trillion range down closer to a trillion. So he was making

00:52:05.940 progress. So I'm not putting this on Trump. And I understand how this is all politically difficult

00:52:11.400 to do. These are actual cuts. But the point is, if we let it get to 50 trillion or 47 trillion,

00:52:18.000 the interest on that is going to be almost insurmountable. So that's why I'm raising the

00:52:22.440 alarm now. Hang on one second. Hang on one second. Hang on one second. Hang on one second. We'll take you

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Bannon's War Room - May 03, 2025

Episode 4459： The Age Of Trump

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