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00:18:42.860And because of the sort of harsh ways of the world, Carter very slowly comes around to Brzezinski's
00:18:49.860way of thinking, which is, look, we've got to be, we've got to take the fight back to,
00:18:55.620for American values and America's position in the world. Remember, the Vietnam War is over.
00:19:02.200We've got to, we've got to end the pessimism of the Kissinger, Nixon, Ford era and make the case
00:19:09.480that we are actually, we're leading the world in technology. It's not the Soviets, you know,
00:19:14.480they, they, they'd launched Sputnik, the satellite in, in the 1950s. And it caused a real panic in
00:19:21.060America that, that we were losing the Cold War, that America, that the Soviets were over overtaking
00:19:27.540us. And, and that we therefore had to just find ways of accommodating ourselves to this massive
00:19:35.400rising technological superpower. And Brzezinski just didn't accept that. And you wrote, you, Steve,
00:19:42.640you referred at the beginning to this book, he wrote about the technotronic era. He was going
00:19:48.860completely against the grain. He wrote that in 1971. He was going completely against the grain by
00:19:53.860saying, no, no, no, no, the Soviet Union is a museum to the industrial age. They're not making
00:19:59.940computers. You know, they're not, they're falling more and more behind us as time goes on. And so
00:20:08.900Carter gradually came around to Brzezinski's way of looking at the world, restored all the defense
00:20:16.280spending that had been cut in the previous, it had been cut by 40%, the American defense budget in the
00:20:22.820previous decade, restored that had a new sort of generation of nuclear weapons. And that helped
00:20:30.060sort of bankrupt the Soviet Union, because it had to, it struggled to keep up. And then here's the
00:20:35.400Machiavellian bit. You know, Brzezinski did, I think, play a quite clever role in luring the Soviets into
00:20:43.800invading Afghanistan, to giving them their Vietnam, their quagmire. And that's what happened. And that
00:20:53.660helped bleed the Soviet Union to death. And this is what Reagan inherited. And he didn't really change
00:20:58.700anything. You know, Reaganism was in place when Carter left office, and Reagan just carried on with
00:21:06.640it. Talk to me about also the connection with the Pope, because Reagan comes in, Thatcher's in, President
00:21:15.380Reagan said, we win, they lose, kind of accelerates it, right? But the strategy, first off, how did he lure him
00:21:21.760into Afghanistan, Machiavellian, and to his relationship with Pope John Paul II?
00:21:28.800So the way he did it, you know, I'm not saying he got them to invade. I mean, they're very sort of mentally
00:21:35.660unstable, well, aging, senile Soviet leader, Leonid Brezhnev, who was sort of drunk half the time.
00:21:44.520It was his decision to invade Afghanistan. But he was paranoid that Afghanistan would fall into
00:21:50.980America's camp. And Brzezinski kept sort of stoking that paranoia. They had a leader called Amin,
00:21:59.400who'd studied at Colombia when Brzezinski was teaching at Colombia. So it didn't take much to
00:22:04.500stimulate that paranoia. And they didn't, you know, they saw it, the south of the Soviet Union,
00:22:11.880they had a lot of Muslim republics, like Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, they feared that there was going to be
00:22:19.540an uprising in their soft underbelly, that they thought of as the southern Soviet Union,
00:22:25.500the border of Afghanistan. And so Brzezinski just, like, heightened that paranoia.
00:22:30.960And that helped convince this drunken Brezhnev to invade, and a really fatal error on his part.
00:22:39.900The Pope is a fascinating thing, because the Pope was from Poland as well. And in fact,
00:22:44.560Brzezinski knew the Pope, Pope John Paul II, that is, who was elected in 1978, first non-Italian to
00:22:53.980become the Vicar of Christ, as they say, in 453 years. Quite a coincidence that you have this
00:23:03.360Polish-speaking Pope all of a sudden, and a Polish-speaking grand strategist in Washington.
00:23:09.160And Brzezinski had he, for Pope, put it on his White House phone, because he called him so much.
00:23:15.140And they worked together a lot to try and push this soft power of, you know, freedom of speech,
00:23:24.320freedom of movement, freedom of religion, to just try and generate more unrest and opposition
00:23:31.580inside the Iron Curtain, the other side of the Iron Curtain, against communist rule. And the Soviets did
00:23:38.880come very close to invading Poland. They had 18 divisions lined up on the Polish border, two of
00:23:47.880them from Germany, by the way. So it's kind of a rather unhappy replay of history to have Poland
00:23:55.420invaded by Russia and Germany. Yet again, that's how the Second World War began. But it didn't invade.
00:24:02.360And the reason why it didn't invade was because the Pope and Brzezinski really helped persuade
00:24:08.360Moscow that Poland would be like a porcupine. It just would be indigestible. And so, I mean,
00:24:15.540I don't think history thanks you for things that didn't happen. But this was quite a big thing that
00:24:20.640didn't happen. And the Pope and Brzezinski, you know, take the medals there.
00:24:26.860Let's talk about something that did happen. As a junior officer, I served at sea during Carter's
00:24:32.680term and then in the Pentagon during Reagan's. But as a junior officer, I was on that one of those
00:24:38.400carrier battle groups, one on Camel Station and Gonzo Station, North Arabian Sea, because of the
00:24:44.080Iranian or as we call it here, the Persian hostage crisis. That's probably what Carter's known most
00:24:51.520for was the failure of that. Walk me through Brzezinski's role in what turned out to be a
00:24:56.360catastrophe for Jimmy Carter, the nation and Carter's presidency. I did interview Carter for
00:25:03.280this book, obviously before he died. And he said, look, the worst advice he got from Brzezinski was
00:25:09.800about Iran. So the Shah of Iran had been this close ally of America for decades. And there was this
00:25:19.500uprising going on led by the Mullahs, led by the mosques and the radical, radical Muslim sections of
00:25:27.740the population. Brzezinski wanted the Shah to crack down on them. You know, he wanted blood in the
00:25:34.020streets, essentially. And the State Department and led by its ambassador, William Sullivan,
00:25:40.380thought that Ayatollah Khomeini, who was in exile in Paris, he thought that the Mullahs were actually
00:25:50.540moderates, should be brought into government in Iran, and that Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini,
00:25:57.480was actually a Gandhi-like figure, meaning a sort of really peaceful, non-violent, which was definitely
00:26:04.920a very bad misreading. So Carter was conflicted by really different advice. And then the hostage
00:26:11.260crisis was triggered after the Shah had fled into exile. It turned out for years he'd had cancer,
00:26:18.780been suffering from cancer, lymphoma. And Carter was persuaded very reluctantly to accept him into
00:26:27.900America because this was the only place he could be treated medically for his—and it wasn't true. He
00:26:33.900could have been treated in many places. And Brzezinski should have got the Shah to renounce the peacock
00:26:41.800throne of Iran, of Persia, the ancient peacock throne, as a condition of being admitted into
00:26:49.100America. But he didn't. And that stoked Iranian paranoia that America was going to install him back
00:26:57.140on the throne, and that this was the first move, admitting—giving him asylum in America. And so they
00:27:02.840stormed the embassy. And that 444-day hostage-taking crisis began. And that really did
00:27:10.740finish Carter off against Reagan. I mean, it was lethal every night on, you know, Ted Koppel and
00:27:18.740Walter Cronkite. They had this clock, and it just hung over Carter like a sort of bad nightmare,
00:27:25.440and he couldn't get rid of it. Ed, we've got to bounce. Where do they get—where do people get the book? Where do they go to see all the reviews, your book tour,
00:27:33.340all of that? Oh gosh, I'm going to lots of different places, having really the time of my life. But I think you can get the book in your local bookstore, or Amazon, or wherever. But Steve, I'm really grateful for you having me on.
00:27:47.340Yeah. No, I love it. In fact, we want all of our audience—we're going to send you to where the book tour is going to be—we want you to show up with a
00:27:55.240red MAGA ball cap. In fact, better, Trump 28. We're going to get you the Trump 28 ball cap. Ed Luce, thank you very much for writing the book. It's amazing. It's a must-read. Thank you, sir.
00:28:05.440The irony that President Trump is talking about a nuclear deal with the Persians. We go all the way back to the Iranian or Persian hostage crisis. Short break. Make America healthy again next in The War Room.
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00:32:17.260So all around the world, children are healthier.
00:32:20.280America spends three times the amount of money on health care, on pharma, on public health than any other of the 30 industrialized countries in the world.
00:32:33.360And yet our health outcomes are just an absolute disaster.
00:32:38.620I mean, you judge a country by the way they treat their children.
00:32:42.040And we are treating our children like we do not care if they live or die.
00:32:47.260And Bobby Kennedy, who could have done anything else with his life, he had no reason.
00:32:52.120He's not doing this for money, not for power, not for fame.
00:32:55.960He's doing this to help American children, to help all of us, to help our families, and to make this country healthy again so we can compete with other countries.
00:33:06.200Okay, in the 1950s and the 1960s, America, at the peak of its power, post-war power, kids were healthy, super healthy.
00:33:16.460There were videos then of kids in high schools doing 20, 30 pull-ups, pumping out push-ups.
00:33:22.580American children now, they're obese, they have diabetes, they have autism, they have all kinds of issues.
00:33:42.700From the 1970s, when you have a healthy population, roughly, and all these kids running around, to the baby boom, to 2025, walk me through.
00:33:53.960How did we get to from virtually, I don't know, 1% or 2% of chronic diseases to 50%?
00:34:02.100How did that happen, and why did it happen?
00:34:04.640They were doctors back then who had never seen a child with diabetes, who'd never seen a child with autism.
00:34:24.320This is a crime against humanity, and Bobby Kennedy has said that he prayed to God for 20 years to have the opportunity to fight back, to rescue these children, to rescue the future of the country.
00:34:38.400And he said, God bless Donald Trump for allowing me to do this.
00:34:42.820So we've had politicians for the last 20 years saying some of these things, saying them time after time, but getting absolutely nothing done.
00:34:51.260And we've had grassroots people working around the clock to try to win these battles.
00:34:56.740But Bobby Kennedy has achieved more in 100 days under Donald Trump than anybody's been able to achieve in the last 20 years.
00:35:06.840What has been achieved in the first 100 days that's greater than what's been achieved in the last 20 years?
00:35:12.780The other day, Bobby came out and called out Bernie Sanders by name in the Roosevelt Room right next to the Oval Office when they signed the executive order on prescription drug pricing.
00:35:25.320But walk me through, in the first 100 days, why Trump-Kennedy have done more than the last 20, 25 years.
00:35:34.560Because Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy are not afraid of these companies.
00:35:41.340So, you know, there are all these concepts.
00:35:43.680Like there's this concept called generally recognized as safe, grass, so that companies could self-certify their own products and their own toxins that they're adding into those products as safe without any government regulation at all.
00:35:59.340So this isn't a regulation versus free market question for Bobby Kennedy.
00:36:05.000He said time after time that he believes the free market will do a much better job than the government has done because the government agencies have been absolutely corrupted and they've been co-opted by these companies.
00:36:19.140So when you say these companies, you mean big pharma and big medicine, big pharma, big medicine, big ag, big food.
00:36:25.720So, you know, they – so Bobby now has taken the petroleum-based food colorings.
00:36:46.200So the counter every night – and this is where you can see an apostate – they hate Bobby Kennedy actually I think more than they hate Trump.
00:36:58.040If you watch MSNBC and CNN, every night they have at least a segment on Bobby Kennedy and the pure hatred it comes through.
00:37:14.700What he's doing – even on the food colorings, he has no backup to that.
00:37:17.940What he's doing on autism and saying that he wants to do research in vaccines because he said, hey, no offense, the thing just popped up after he started giving all these vaccines.
00:37:26.980You never had this in the history of America.
00:38:05.760He's a danger to a corrupt system that has poisoned our children.
00:38:10.320And so those people want to say that science is all settled, that we've figured out everything, right?
00:38:16.060But if you're a real scientist and any real doctor or scientist knows that the science is never settled, that anybody who went to medical school 20 years ago knows that half the things they were taught are proven to be false.
00:38:29.260So if you're really looking at science, you question everything.
00:38:34.220You're willing to read everything, to listen to everything because we have these skyrocketing chronic diseases.
00:38:40.520And the science that we have that we're relying on is failing.
00:38:44.560And we're doing a worse job, like I said before, than any country on the planet spending so much more money.
00:38:51.300So we need real science, and Bobby Kennedy believes in real science.
00:38:55.520How can we spend so much money and have unhealthier kids?
00:39:00.120I'll tell you exactly how it works because this is a corrupt system.
00:39:03.600So you have these big companies hiring lobbyists who go in and basically bribe politicians into making decisions that no rational person would make and then getting people to write stories about it and cover it on the news that anybody who challenges them is anti-science.
00:39:23.540And so that's just not the way science works.
00:39:26.420We need people who really are willing to look at it.
00:39:29.700So we're told, for example, that the science on autism is settled.
00:39:55.860So there have been five changes in the last decade to the definition of a vaccine.
00:40:01.420So you're saying that something that you can't define causes something else that you can't define.
00:40:07.260So that's a question that's not even logical.
00:40:09.700You can look at the package inserts for a dozen vaccines and you will get symptoms that go into an autism diagnosis.
00:40:17.260So the science is not settled, not on vaccines, not on drugs, not on food.
00:40:23.580These companies are, you know, bloodsuckers on the American public.
00:40:28.720And they are doing these things despite real science, despite real public health, and despite any interest in the impact that their actions have on American children.
00:40:40.820You know, kind of the fixes in, because as you know, we monitor CNN and MSNBC 24 hours a day.
00:40:46.320If you watch MSNBC, every commercial break, it's two or three drug.
00:40:51.420And I sit there and go, what are these diseases?
00:40:53.760I mean, the things blow your head up, but they are literally driven by commercials from the big drug companies.
00:41:02.660Every break, they have at least one, probably two on these drugs.
00:41:07.940How do we get to that situation where they're now the sponsors of the left?
00:41:11.300Yeah, if you took drug company advertising out of media, you might get real investigative journalism once again.
00:41:22.580You think the big money has blocked it?
00:41:24.640I think the big money has blocked it 100% that we are not investigating any of these problems.
00:41:31.200So when you say, you know, toxic food dyes, Bobby comes out and he bans these dyes, right?
00:41:36.880And the left then comes out with all these stories that he's dangerous, that he's doing something that's going to hurt children.
00:41:42.920So, you know, you think about that for a second.
00:41:46.040Are they seriously going to tell us that with all of these scientific studies showing that you can get ADHD from toxic food dyes,
00:41:53.440that any rational person would say that he's done something bad?
00:41:57.040These are, you know, toxins that cause ADHD.
00:42:00.600Then the big pharma companies, you know, so they're addictive too.
00:42:04.080So, so you've got the colorings, you've got the sugar and you're addicting children to these toxins and then they get ADHD and then you drug them for it.
00:42:13.340So you drug millions and millions of children with no way to get them off drugs, no plan.
00:42:20.300So the answer is getting people off these things, getting the corruption out of Hollywood, getting the corruption out of Washington.
00:42:28.540What do you mean the corruption out of Hollywood?
00:42:29.620I mean that every story is backing up this system like it used to be with smoking, right?
00:42:37.920That you would see movie stars, you know, smoking all the cool stars smoked.
00:42:43.620So you would think, oh, well, I want to be like Clark Gable, right?
00:42:46.780So, and the same kind of thing is true with, with Coca-Cola, with, you know, toxic foods of all kinds.
00:45:48.240We're going to have a better opening tonight because we're going to tie more in that the strong personal relationship that President Trump has with MBZ.
00:47:02.900So you go to any high school in America and you see sick children.
00:47:06.980You see people who are suffering from every disorder you can imagine.
00:47:10.960It's not happening to kids all around the world.
00:47:13.240And there are concrete steps we can take to make sure that it doesn't happen here anymore.
00:47:18.320And it's amazing that President Trump was able to and was willing to bring in Bobby Kennedy.
00:47:24.380And, you know, Bobby Kennedy has said many, many times, God bless President Trump for giving me this opportunity.
00:47:32.100And so Bobby Kennedy is going to work day and night, do everything he can to rescue these children.
00:47:38.840And I think everybody on the right and the left, everybody in America should support him.
00:47:43.720And they should stop kowtowing, stop bowing to these big corporations who are poisoning American children.
00:47:50.220So, yeah, we have just launched the MAGA Institute, which is going to be a policy incubator that's going to come up with, you know, thoughts, policies, programs that actually help children.
00:48:05.940And so you're launching that was last night.
00:48:08.200You're launching at this big reception you had today.
00:48:13.440The MAGA Institute is, like I said, this policy incubator.
00:48:16.960We're going to bring in grassroots groups from all around the country.
00:48:20.960And we have them all today where we're meeting with about 100 different people.
00:48:25.580Each of them represents thousands and thousands of people in their home states.
00:48:29.640And we're going to listen to them and have them put forth policy ideas that will then present to HHS in the hope that they will find a way to implement them.
00:48:40.300Right there, seeing on your screen, this was like a Trump rally.
00:48:45.760I mean, these folks are, they're worked up.
00:48:49.900President Trump, a historic, historic trip to the Middle East.
00:48:54.720One of the reasons I wanted to have Luz on about Zbig was about the book, was the central part of the whole thing started.
00:49:03.820The Iranian or Persian crisis started on Carter's watch in 1979.
00:49:10.380And here we are so many decades later with at least some initial resolution to make sure we get rid of these, that there's never get to a nuclear weapon.
00:50:49.980Is that what you're saying is that he just tries different things?
00:50:52.820It's the same kind of thing, you know, that I was discussing with food policies, with agricultural policies, with, you know, all of these things that are part of Maha, that Donald Trump has shown that he's open to it.
00:51:07.280And the Democratic Party that used to stand for free speech, that used to be anti-war, that used to be anti-censorship, that used to be anti-propaganda, is now for all of those things.
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