Bannon's War Room - Episode 4490： America’s Time To Reverse The Curse, Time For Transformational Tax Packages

00:00:00.000 We are right. In fact, the text says $300 billion is to be cut from this vital food assistance program, which can lead to 11 million people going hungry.

00:00:10.440 Democrats said that this bill was going to kick people off Medicaid. Looks like we were right about that, too. 0.99

00:00:15.740 The bill cut $715 billion to the program and will kick 13.7 million Americans losing health care.

00:00:24.640 Democrats said that the tax cuts will be going to the rich. We were right again.

00:00:29.140 If enacted by 2027 individuals making over $1 billion a year.

00:00:34.540 Right now you're hearing the live stream of the budget committee as they go through, try to get this budget at least voted out of committee.

00:00:43.380 Right now, we understand there's a minimum of three, maybe four Republican knows, including some of the biggest deficit hawks of saying, hey, the math doesn't work here.

00:00:52.880 We got to get back and start to work over the weekend.

00:00:54.880 This is a key component. President Trump's coming back tonight.

00:00:59.080 He arrives, I think, near midnight tonight. He'll be on this over the weekend.

00:01:03.780 We're going to be going in and out of this committee to see if it doesn't get out of committee.

00:01:08.080 They're going to go back. There's a lot more work to do.

00:01:10.180 I tend to agree with the hawks that right now this math doesn't come close to working.

00:01:14.480 They got to get serious. Here's what we're going to do.

00:01:16.740 We're going to we're going to come in and out of the budget committee during the day.

00:01:20.380 We've got a great cold open of President Trump's triumphant tour and visit in the Middle East.

00:01:26.220 We're going to start with that. We've got a packed show today.

00:01:28.240 Let's go ahead and let it rip.

00:01:50.380 Let's go ahead and let it rip.

00:02:04.180 Let's go ahead and let it rip.

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00:04:41.980 Well, it's just a message of unity when you look at what we've just seen.

00:04:46.900 It's great unity, great faith, incredible people with a tremendous leader who's a friend of mine.

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00:05:08.940 We just reached a fantastic trade deal, as you know, with the United Kingdom, which was wonderful.

00:05:28.660 And we have another big one that we just reached with China.

00:05:33.040 The China deal is a very big deal.

00:05:34.800 It's in the process of continuing to be formed.

00:05:38.580 But they wanted to make that deal very badly.

00:05:41.780 And we have, at the same time, 150 countries that want to make a deal, but you're not able to see that many countries.

00:05:50.380 So at a certain point over the next two to three weeks, I think Scott and Howard will be sending letters out, essentially telling people.

00:05:58.020 Well, it would be very fair, but we'll be telling people what they'll be paying to do business in the United States.

00:06:05.380 So essentially be paying to be doing business in the United States.

00:06:10.200 I guess you could say they could appeal it.

00:06:12.060 But for the most part, I think we're going to be very fair.

00:06:14.640 But it's not it's not possible to meet the number of people that want to see us.

00:06:28.020 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:06:50.080 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:06:54.060 I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people.

00:06:59.680 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:07:01.660 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:07:03.060 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:07:05.700 It's going to happen.

00:07:06.980 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:07:10.380 Mega media.

00:07:11.760 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:07:17.100 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:07:20.280 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:27.200 War Room.

00:07:28.120 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:07:30.200 Bannon.

00:07:35.680 Friday, 16 May, Year of Our Lord, 2025.

00:07:38.920 There are decades in which nothing happens.

00:07:43.200 And there are weeks in which decades happen.

00:07:45.160 We're living through this week, this, what, second week of May in the year of Our Lord, 2025.

00:07:54.180 Just absolutely incredible.

00:07:55.500 President Trump simultaneously reordering the relationships in the Middle East that really haven't changed.

00:08:05.480 This is so fundamental, it goes back to World War I when the Arabs with the British Army, Lawrence of Arabia, the Arab Army, and General Allenby took Jerusalem and then took Damascus.

00:08:18.180 Sykes, Pico got arranged, which divided up the whole Middle East, drew new lines between the French, the great powers. 0.68

00:08:26.200 It's kind of existed there.

00:08:27.340 We said yesterday we had Ed Luson talking about the 1970s Arab oil embargo, that Arab oil embargo, all of a sudden Middle East came back front and center into American life, which it had not done really ever.

00:08:40.900 And then the Iranian hostage crushes, the Persian hostage crushes, ended the 70s.

00:08:47.880 And here right now, President Trump just breaking all norms.

00:08:51.820 The thing to focus on, he is leading, he's saying, look, economics, prosperity can lead to peace.

00:09:00.060 And if people are incentivized and have skin in the game, they will have peace.

00:09:04.960 It's the best way to peace.

00:09:07.280 Now, there's a lot of things that people are unhappy about or uncomfortable about, I should say.

00:09:12.460 We'll see how those work at a time.

00:09:15.000 One of the ones is particularly a country like Qatar.

00:09:18.000 It now looks like front and center of all this.

00:09:19.740 But he ended, as I think was very smart to end, with MBZ and the UAE, MBZ, Mohammed bin Zayed, the strongest ally.

00:09:29.140 Not just strongest ally, someone held in great respect that punches way above their weight.

00:09:34.680 And you can see the respect President Trump had.

00:09:36.400 And some of those ceremonies are deeply profound of what the Arab nations were doing.

00:09:45.000 Deeply profound of what they think of President Trump as a man, as a leader, as a leader of a country that has a stick-to-it-to-ness.

00:09:54.240 I think the drift of Biden and Obama and Bush, Clinton, reversed.

00:10:02.100 We started at a small scale in the first term because we weren't prepared in the fact that we didn't have time to pull teams together and have years to do this research.

00:10:13.740 It was kind of a comfort behind victory.

00:10:16.080 But the four years that President Trump spent in the wilderness, it's going to become quite symbolic.

00:10:22.120 People will talk about that 100 years from now, what President Trump thought about, what he learned, what he observed.

00:10:27.500 And now what he's putting in place.

00:10:30.960 Extraordinary.

00:10:31.500 At the same time, President Trump is saying, hey, there's 150 countries that Commerce Department treasurer all over are making deals.

00:10:39.660 And he kind of put them on the clock.

00:10:41.920 Yo, boys, got a couple of weeks.

00:10:44.200 We're just not going to drag all this out.

00:10:46.280 Let's get focused.

00:10:47.160 You're not going to be the gating event for the United States of America.

00:10:54.700 If it's not done, guess what?

00:10:56.120 You're going to pay tariffs.

00:10:56.880 If you don't decide to sell here, fine.

00:10:59.980 Take it somewhere else.

00:11:01.860 At the same time, working on these major deals in East Asia with Japan, Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, India, and the Indo-Pacific.

00:11:12.860 Just absolutely extraordinary.

00:11:14.320 Breathtaking.

00:11:14.780 We started, and I wanted to start today because we love showing you both the high geopolitical and geostrategic, but then get into the bowels of it, the nuts and bolts.

00:11:26.340 And right now in the Budget Committee, as we've said, we support President Trump's priorities here.

00:11:32.560 We just think that this whole mishmash, and this plays to Johnson, you're seeing two types of leadership.

00:11:38.360 President Trump stepping into the breach.

00:11:41.280 Here's how it's going to be, bringing people together.

00:11:43.580 But people have a sense of stability, and you have these munchkins over here on the left kind of nipping at his heels. 1.00

00:11:51.620 But then you have the House with Johnson, and having a career in making deals at Goldman Sachs and my own firm, it doesn't help to tap people along and kind of mislead them about what's really in there and hope it all comes together at the end because you have a time constraint.

00:12:07.620 It's just not the way it's not the way it's not the way it's not the way that you're taught and trained to get complex transactions done.

00:12:17.720 And here we are.

00:12:18.860 Here we are on a Friday in a Budget Committee, and he's got, I don't know, four people who are kind of hard-nosed.

00:12:26.460 And those people have a lot of credibility in this regard.

00:12:30.460 These are people that have historic concerns about deficits.

00:12:35.000 And it's just the math we're getting and the math that's coming out from independent sources show that there hasn't been enough true focus on cutting.

00:12:44.940 And where there has been cutting in Medicaid has been, quite frankly, all over the map.

00:12:50.700 And so that's why this thing, it's no need to force something that's terrible just to get it through because you're on some sort of deadline.

00:12:59.760 What's better is to get something that works, and then you get over to the tax side.

00:13:04.540 I don't think, one of President Trump's priorities is no tax on Social Security.

00:13:08.640 This $4,000 for retirees is not no tax on Social Security.

00:13:16.800 No tax on Social Security means wait for it, read my lips.

00:13:21.640 Is that what Bush said?

00:13:22.320 No tax on Social Security.

00:13:24.260 But that's just one of many of the problems over there on the tax side.

00:13:27.280 So this thing's coming together.

00:13:28.800 Now, President Trump, here's my concern with this.

00:13:31.760 President Trump is redoing the commercial relationships of the world.

00:13:36.380 He's bringing world peace.

00:13:37.840 Remember, the first part of this is to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War.

00:13:41.720 The second part of this is to seal the border and deport 10 million illegal alien invaders, which you saw at the court and Josh Hammer will be on later to talk about that.

00:13:49.640 The third is to get all this economic model, financial model, this fiasco he was dumped on.

00:13:57.240 So now, having spent four days changing the direction of the world, and particularly in tamping down the Third World War, both the nuclear weapons with Persia. 0.60

00:14:06.820 They've got the Ukrainians talking in Istanbul right now with the Russians.

00:14:09.900 He's got the total redoing of the commercial relationships of the world, 150 countries, including the Chinese Communist Party.

00:14:18.880 He flies back.

00:14:19.900 He gets back near midnight tonight.

00:14:21.440 I will tell you that it's a brutal flight back on a very uncomfortable aircraft that happens to be a military command center.

00:14:28.320 It's not a luxury aircraft.

00:14:29.440 He gets back, and what has he done?

00:14:31.500 What has he got? 0.97

00:14:33.420 He's got a fiasco created by Johnson and these clowns in the house that he's going to have to sort out. 0.96

00:14:39.920 Can anybody do anything that they don't need to depend upon Trump? 0.95

00:14:44.300 Can anybody just accomplish something and say, hey, you gave us marching orders.

00:14:48.380 Here's what we did.

00:14:49.460 We don't need you involved.

00:14:50.600 Because now, solving the problems of the world, he's going to have to solve the problems of the Republican Party up on the Hill.

00:14:56.940 Short break.

00:14:57.500 This July, there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro, the bloc of emerging superpowers, including China, Russia, India, and Persia, are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency.

00:15:15.600 They're calling this the Rio Reset.

00:15:18.840 As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for U.S. dollars will decrease, bringing down the value of the dollar in your savings.

00:15:26.540 While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio.

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00:16:28.320 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:16:30.380 Bannon.

00:16:33.640 Semaphore's got a great article about the bond market, about the 10-year treasury pushing up near 4.5%, maybe over.

00:16:40.820 They're going to get a vote.

00:16:41.740 We talk about the Liz Trust situation.

00:16:44.300 That's not going to happen.

00:16:45.660 But it's reacting not to the trade deals.

00:16:48.460 It's reacting to the spending.

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00:17:05.340 The BRICS nations, many of whom are not our friends, are there to figure out how to get off the U.S. dollar.

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00:17:20.660 Get to know Philip Patrick and the team.

00:17:24.060 They're with the budget committee.

00:17:25.280 As soon as we see something fascinating, and if, Grace, you can live stream that on the other channels, people can dip in and out of it.

00:17:30.560 We're monitoring it right now for no votes on the committee itself by Republicans.

00:17:36.040 That means if that was the whole thing that doesn't come out of the committee, we'll have to see what happens.

00:17:40.900 I think it's an all-day markup.

00:17:44.220 But the mask still doesn't work, but we'll figure out.

00:17:46.480 Maybe they come up with some solutions.

00:17:48.240 Who knows?

00:17:48.920 They've got a thing called reverse the curse.

00:17:51.880 It's a Jimmy Madison, James Madison quote that a public debt is a public curse.

00:17:56.540 Do you think that we're a little divided?

00:17:58.760 And this is what I say.

00:17:59.820 Don't think the founding fathers, the revolutionary generation, the founding fathers, it was a group hug.

00:18:04.280 No, it was not.

00:18:05.520 There were many of those guys that hated each other.

00:18:08.320 Hated.

00:18:09.080 Good old-fashioned Old Testament hate.

00:18:12.760 Hamilton and Jefferson.

00:18:15.120 Jefferson and Adams.

00:18:18.060 Jimmy is saying that, hey, public debt's a public curse.

00:18:21.080 They've got a thing going on called reverse the curse over the budget committee to try to figure out this national debt. 0.77

00:18:26.380 Hamilton was the one that was a contrarian and said, no, if we want to become a manufacturing superpower, we have to have credit.

00:18:33.700 The way we have credit is we roll up all the revolutionary debts from the states, make it one big thing, and then start refinancing it in global capital markets.

00:18:43.380 Remember, the American Revolution started about taxes, paying for the French and Indian War.

00:18:48.620 Remember, the British Parliament thought we ought to throw a little something into the kitty.

00:18:52.120 The Americans thought we already threw enough into the kitty.

00:18:55.260 And to win our revolution, we needed a big assist by the French. 0.97

00:19:00.560 The French weren't doing it because they loved us. 0.95

00:19:02.260 They were doing it because they were at war with England.

00:19:04.580 And the payment and figuring out how to pay for those bonds is what brought on the French Revolution.

00:19:10.760 So this is all interconnected, folks, the budget committee today.

00:19:16.120 Tej Gill, you spent, correct me if I'm wrong, brother, 16 deployments as a gunman for the United States, six in Iraq, ten in Afghanistan.

00:19:28.220 As a tip-of-the-spear combat veteran, your assessment of President Trump's tour of the Middle East this week, sir?

00:19:36.840 Yeah, that's right, Steve.

00:19:40.680 I was going back and forth between Iraq and Afghanistan between 2001 up until 2014.

00:19:47.100 And I'm very excited about what Trump's doing in the Middle East.

00:19:51.920 The problem with the wars in the Middle East is we're not allowed to win them.

00:19:55.580 They're forever wars.

00:19:57.520 They just go on forever.

00:19:58.880 And at one time, we were catching the same terrorists on one deployment.

00:20:07.320 We would catch them multiple times because it got turned into a catch-and-release program because the politics were so heavy during the war.

00:20:14.900 And at the beginning of the war, I was so gung-ho to go over there.

00:20:17.800 One, because I was a young SEAL and I wanted to get into combat.

00:20:20.420 But two, because of 9-11.

00:20:23.360 And then around the time Benghazi happened, I started realizing that there was a lot of politics in these wars that shouldn't be there.

00:20:31.520 And I saw Trump said, we're done with nation-building and we're done with telling people how to live.

00:20:37.180 That's amazing because we're doing it all wrong.

00:20:40.680 And we start the nation-building and we start telling people how to live their lives during the middle of the war.

00:20:47.660 We're supposed to win the war and then bring peace and then we can nation-build and then we can influence people how to live.

00:20:56.020 But we try to do it all at once.

00:20:57.900 It doesn't work out.

00:20:59.060 And it's just a money-making machine for the military-industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned us about at the end of World War II.

00:21:07.840 That's what all these wars are about.

00:21:08.840 I saw the welcome Trump got in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in Qatar, and it was amazing.

00:21:16.340 They're calling him the president of presidents, the king of kings, the president of the world.

00:21:22.320 He's exactly right.

00:21:23.580 We need to let these people live their lives how they want.

00:21:28.080 And the way we should be showing, we should actually be showing them how to live instead of telling them how to live.

00:21:34.620 We need to focus on America.

00:21:36.060 We need to make America thrive.

00:21:39.420 We need to make this place the ultimate place for prosperity for Americans and freedom for Americans.

00:21:46.480 And that's how you show other people how to live.

00:21:49.460 And then they will, by us leading by example, they will want to become like us instead of going over there, invading them, not winning, and then trying to force them, our policies on them through the State Department and the USAID.

00:22:05.400 And that's what we've been doing for decades.

00:22:07.120 And it does not work. 0.96

00:22:09.480 And the policies are all LGBTQ and all this progressive world crap that these cultures are just not going to take. 1.00

00:22:19.200 Does it concern you? 0.98

00:22:20.000 I'm going to turn to coffee in a second.

00:22:21.340 Does it concern you that some of the nations that were underwriting the worst extremist elements of radical jihad, do you think they've corrected themselves?

00:22:30.920 Do you think they're not doing that?

00:22:32.520 I mean, you were fighting over their bad hombres that got money from a lot of these guys, particularly Qatar.

00:22:39.520 Are you in certain elements in Saudi Arabia?

00:22:41.960 Are you concerned about that?

00:22:43.480 Do you think President Trump's got a plan to work that through?

00:22:45.580 I am concerned about it, especially in Syria.

00:22:50.060 We have a former ISIS commander who is cutting people's heads off.

00:22:54.560 He's now running Syria. 0.60

00:22:56.120 But I trust Trump, and that's the bottom line.

00:22:59.460 He's got a plan.

00:23:01.080 He's an amazing guy.

00:23:02.980 Everything he does, it turns to gold.

00:23:05.860 They tried to put him in jail. 0.96

00:23:07.140 They tried to kill him. 0.56

00:23:08.220 They couldn't do it.

00:23:09.000 But he just arrived over in the Middle East, and he was treated like an actual king.

00:23:14.180 They're giving him airplanes, parades.

00:23:16.640 It's incredible what's going on in the Middle East.

00:23:19.240 So I believe Trump has a plan.

00:23:21.540 Yes, I am concerned about the extremists in a lot of these countries.

00:23:25.880 But I think Trump has a plan, and I am willing to just sit back, watch, and trust him because, like I said, everything he does turns to gold.

00:23:35.280 Before we turn to Warpath Coffee, yes or no, is this what you voted for?

00:23:42.600 Yes, 100%.

00:23:44.240 Okay, fine.

00:23:46.300 Talk to me about, and by the way, this is a guy that's got skin in the game, a lot of skin.

00:23:51.520 Talk to me about my Warpath Coffee.

00:23:54.060 Actually, first time I got, somebody brought, I got some K-Cups.

00:23:59.360 The K-Cups are amazing.

00:24:01.020 Warpath, and it's a compliment I've gotten from people around town this week that we've given some of the bags out to.

00:24:06.980 People are coming back.

00:24:07.940 The champagne of coffee.

00:24:09.920 You have broken, you, Tage Gill, single-handedly, have broken this because people realize, why do I put cream and sugar in the coffee?

00:24:16.940 I put cream and sugar in coffee to cut the acidity, to cut the acid, you know, the acid-like taste of it, like the bitterness of certain national brands that happen to be green.

00:24:27.860 You've done away with that, and people love it.

00:24:31.520 Talk to me about the coffee.

00:24:32.620 What are your new offerings?

00:24:35.140 Yeah, right now the newest thing we have are these mugs.

00:24:39.040 The wake-up, win, repeat, and then we have one with the rules.

00:24:41.820 It says never lose, win everything, conquer everything.

00:24:45.540 That's the rules to live by.

00:24:46.740 One thing I want to say, though, Steve, is I have not done it single-handedly.

00:24:52.360 With your help and the Warroom Posse's help, we've grown this company, and now we're making huge amounts of this incredible coffee.

00:25:01.020 So the Warroom Posse and you were a major hand in all this still to this day.

00:25:06.440 So the website is warpath.coffee and use forward slash Bannon, or I'm sorry, forward slash Warroom, and that'll take you to a landing page that is especially for the Warroom Posse.

00:25:19.520 So warpath.coffee forward slash Warroom, and we're doing 20% off right now for the Warroom Posse, and it goes back and forth usually between 15% and 20%, but it's 20% off.

00:25:30.980 And last night I looked, and we're at 9,800 five-star reviews, so we're almost about to break the 10,000 review mark, and it's pretty big for having that on our website.

00:25:44.240 Usually you only see those kind of numbers on an Amazon store, and that's on our website, and we don't pay anybody to give us those reviews.

00:25:51.280 We just send out an email chain after you buy from us, and only 13% of the people answer the email and give us a review.

00:26:01.420 So it's warpath.coffee forward slash Warroom.

00:26:06.780 Here's what I love about it is that the people coming back to me are coffee aficionados.

00:26:13.080 I mean, they're the ones up at dawn, up at 5 o'clock in the morning, putting a pot on.

00:26:17.900 These people know coffee, and they drink great coffee, and they're sitting here going, this is extraordinary.

00:26:22.180 So you've just done an incredible, incredible job.

00:26:24.520 And, yes, the Warroom Posse loves it, been there, supportive, going to be even more supportive in the future.

00:26:29.980 I obviously love it.

00:26:32.100 And remember, the dark roast, Mariner's Blend, the one I worked on specifically with Tej, I think it was 18 months of back and forth until we absolutely perfected them.

00:26:40.580 We said, this is it.

00:26:41.400 That's the level of diligence.

00:26:43.440 Talk real quickly.

00:26:44.300 Give us 30 seconds on how you roast this, because everybody asked me about this.

00:26:47.280 How do you roast this that's different than anybody else?

00:26:51.460 Yeah, well, first off, we use premium beans.

00:26:53.780 So we don't buy cheap beans that you can get for $1 a pound.

00:26:56.980 We're actually buying premium-level green beans.

00:27:00.680 That's how we start out.

00:27:01.460 And then we roast it on a perforated drum.

00:27:04.620 And by doing that, we don't burn the beans at all.

00:27:08.420 So a lot of times when you use a solid drum, even if you roast most of the bean, if you caramelize it, the tips of the beans get burnt.

00:27:16.940 It's called tipping.

00:27:17.780 And that creates acidity and bitterness.

00:27:20.720 And that's why you need milk and sugar with most coffee.

00:27:23.600 So we caramelize our beans.

00:27:26.360 They don't carbonize it.

00:27:27.260 So, you know, basically we don't turn our beans into charcoals.

00:27:29.980 We make them nice and golden brown.

00:27:32.240 And that's how we get rid of the acidic taste and the bitterness.

00:27:37.940 And that's why it's so smooth.

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00:27:49.860 So that is how we make it taste so good.

00:27:52.920 It's a roasting technique we use.

00:27:54.520 And most roasters don't do that.

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00:29:32.800 Life or death.

00:29:35.900 I challenge my Republican colleagues to come and meet with some of my constituents.

00:29:40.740 Perhaps you represent a different segment of America.

00:29:44.820 Okay, the budget continues going.

00:29:46.620 The Democrats continue to make speeches.

00:29:48.240 People that didn't touch this forever.

00:29:50.080 President Trump's got a true social out.

00:29:52.040 Mentions grandstanders.

00:29:53.260 Mr. President, I don't think these folks are grandstanding.

00:29:55.460 Democrats are.

00:29:56.260 Forget that.

00:29:56.940 I'm talking about people.

00:29:57.960 The math simply doesn't work right now.

00:29:59.500 There hasn't been smart cuts, haven't been enough cuts.

00:30:03.920 Just look at the math, look at Independent, do any assessment.

00:30:07.220 Let's have OMB, what Russ Vogt's saying, are showing people.

00:30:11.660 Because what we want to do is make our own decisions, have the president make his own decisions, and not have pressure from the bond market, which we're going to have.

00:30:22.120 You already have it.

00:30:23.040 It's already almost at 4.5%.

00:30:24.820 And that is not related to President Trump's restructuring of the commercial relationships of the world to benefit American citizens, as it should, since the weight of everything is on your shoulders.

00:30:36.900 But you just saw by the true social he just gave from the plane, he's going to have to get involved.

00:30:42.300 Right?

00:30:42.760 What he's saying is that I don't want to get involved.

00:30:44.680 I want you guys to take care of it.

00:30:45.660 Take care of it now.

00:30:46.320 So the fiasco, as we talked about, is upon us.

00:30:54.320 There's an article up in Axios, the lead story, talks about the second hundred days.

00:30:58.760 And I make the point that this is more important than the first hundred, because this is where his legacy will be codified on a number of things.

00:31:08.040 Number one, the big, beautiful bill or the legislative part of the economics will basically set the stage for his entire third term with the tax cuts and particularly the trajectory of deficits and deficit reduction.

00:31:23.940 So that's that middle line.

00:31:25.940 Number two is stopping the kinetic part of the Third World War, which a magnificent start, a really kind of second step this week in the Middle East. 0.74

00:31:35.040 More of that to continue.

00:31:36.240 Then you've got the deportation.

00:31:39.000 So what he's trying to do, and that's leading us to the constitutional crisis of his powers, his article two powers to actually do this commander in chief.

00:31:46.920 And that is Josh Hammer is going to be on with us.

00:31:48.940 That's turns out what the argument yesterday at the court was about.

00:31:52.020 And this is hurtling, I think, to a constitutional crisis, particularly when President Trump write this down with your number two pencil, because you're here to hear first a couple of weeks ago when we got D.C.

00:32:02.380 Drano on.

00:32:03.200 I believe they're going to be suspending the writ of habeas corpus.

00:32:05.880 He's going to have to because these courts are going to continue to try to jam him up.

00:32:10.860 Anyway, let me get Dave Brad in here.

00:32:12.200 Dave, the budget committee right now, there's three or four votes not out there.

00:32:15.740 There's probably pressure.

00:32:16.520 They're getting phone calls.

00:32:17.900 But let's just step back.

00:32:18.900 Does the math work here for President Trump's overall objective?

00:32:23.780 And this comes from President Trump and his Treasury Secretary.

00:32:28.340 This is not a construct of War Room or Steve Bannon.

00:32:31.120 This is theirs.

00:32:32.680 Six and a half percent.

00:32:34.480 A deficit.

00:32:35.380 We're six and a half, seven percent because of what Biden did to the country to get it down to three and a half percent.

00:32:40.440 You're not going to get to a balanced budget, but at least get the deficit to three and a half percent.

00:32:44.920 Anything that doesn't get us there has got to be jettisoned.

00:32:49.160 Do you think right now where we see this that we're making progress?

00:32:52.780 Dave Brad, you've been in those rooms before, sir.

00:32:54.860 No, this was, you know, you opened up with Trump, who, you know, strides the world like a colossus or whatever.

00:33:04.440 You know, I mean, everybody is deferring to him globally.

00:33:07.860 And when he came in on the tariff deal, you saw the huge amount of deference the American people paid to him and gave him a shot to work things out.

00:33:17.280 And so the House, the math doesn't work because the math is just a bunch of gimmicks.

00:33:22.160 The more you look under the hood at this thing, Kim Strassel's got a great piece in the Wall Street Journal today.

00:33:27.560 So I ripped their heads off yesterday.

00:33:29.680 But that's she starts off the whole opening gambit was just one point five trillion.

00:33:34.620 And then the moderates, they're always called moderates.

00:33:37.400 The moderates are not orthodox Republicans.

00:33:39.740 You should hear all the stuff they're asking for.

00:33:41.600 They're not.

00:33:42.120 You heard yesterday we're going to fund trans sex changes in a Republican, orthodox, conservative bill.

00:33:49.440 I mean, you've got to be kidding me.

00:33:51.320 So the math is all gimmicky.

00:33:53.620 Strassel's got a good piece.

00:33:54.840 Politico's got a good piece out.

00:33:57.180 It's biased, of course.

00:33:58.960 But it's got, you know, all the gains come in to buy to get some votes in the first four or five years.

00:34:05.020 Then all the reforms come in in the last five years.

00:34:08.660 And Chip Roy and that crew in the budget panel, they're finally sticking up for the American people.

00:34:14.180 A bunch of my old friends in the Freedom Caucus, they're always solid.

00:34:18.220 But you just heard the congresswoman there yelling about Medicaid and the Republicans are, you know, crushing people on Medicaid.

00:34:25.280 It's not true at all, right?

00:34:26.840 In the Politico piece, there's $300 billion gain from Medicaid just for reducing.

00:34:33.820 The only requirements are people have to work 80 hours a month or sign up for part-time education.

00:34:42.320 And so the Republicans rightly are saying, no, no, no, no.

00:34:45.820 You're not entitled to paychecks from the American people, right?

00:34:49.300 That seems to be the assumption.

00:34:51.260 And the Republicans need to fight that.

00:34:52.780 And then there's a state check on Medicaid where they're going to verify addresses.

00:34:57.720 And Politico, of course, mentions that as a pain, right?

00:35:01.240 You're going to verify fraud to make sure we're not sending checks to ineligible people on Medicaid.

00:35:07.300 And then the left goes off and calls this, you know, we're not taking care of the least of these.

00:35:12.340 The whole point is if you're going to take care of Social Security and Medicare, you better set up a machine.

00:35:17.200 And so Trump is thinking huge on the world stage.

00:35:20.020 He came in with huge pieces, and the House has been trained in this, you know, myopic science mindset.

00:35:27.360 Just tweak, tweak, tweak little changes along the way.

00:35:30.380 No one's thinking huge.

00:35:32.160 We should have come in.

00:35:33.240 This was the time under Trump where the House and the Senate come in with major league transformational tax packages that do benefit everybody.

00:35:44.220 And, you know, the tax cuts can generate some growth.

00:35:48.640 But I've heard some of the guys we know saying they're going to put out a study next week, you know, some of the nationally known economists.

00:35:57.940 And I heard Newt on the TV this morning, and he mentioned all the, you know, we're going to get the tax cuts through.

00:36:05.100 They always mention all that.

00:36:06.560 And Newt failed to mention spending.

00:36:09.680 And so the author, no one wants to deliver the hard news, right?

00:36:13.300 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:36:16.940 The old playbook, it's called Supply Side Cut.

00:36:19.800 Besson said it the last time.

00:36:20.900 I agree with you.

00:36:22.040 The supply side cut should be on incentivizing work, but particularly incentivizing capital for investment, and to make that permanent.

00:36:30.220 My concern is, particularly for businesses, the supply side part of this is not permanent.

00:36:35.480 And to do that, you'd have to have either further spending cuts or revenue increases in other areas.

00:36:43.320 Like, I don't know, randomly, the upper bracket.

00:36:46.280 I'm just throwing out a random thing.

00:36:49.040 Which, folks, trust me, to make the math work, unless you want $60 trillion of debt, we're going to go there.

00:36:55.580 We're going to get there eventually.

00:36:56.720 It's a winding road, but we're going to get there.

00:37:01.120 What about that?

00:37:01.680 Just talk to me, because the supply side guys always say, oh, I'm going to get the growth rate up.

00:37:06.120 And the growth rate up with a tax structure you've got, you're going to generate more cash.

00:37:10.700 So how do we get the growth rate up to 2.5%, 3%, 3.5%?

00:37:15.540 Remember, in 2019, in the fourth quarter, I think Trump's growth rate was 3.5%.

00:37:22.020 And that's what Janet Yellen is, the Fed, taking a trillion dollars off the balance sheet that caused headwinds. 1.00

00:37:27.120 It had to be done, but his growth rate could have been higher because of his tax cuts the first time.

00:37:32.300 Now, how do you make this more supply side by making it permanent?

00:37:36.400 Dave Bratt, you're an old supply side.

00:37:38.160 You're an old Jack Kemp aficionado.

00:37:40.800 How do you do that?

00:37:41.960 Yeah.

00:37:43.460 Yes, I am.

00:37:44.840 And every time I come on The War Room, my goal is to show that productivity's been going down for 70 years.

00:37:51.320 Because we've been doing Keynesian economics and not supply side stuff.

00:37:56.200 But this budget is all gimmicky, right?

00:37:59.100 That $300 billion I just mentioned from Medicaid, that only kicks in in the fifth year.

00:38:03.640 So the $300 billion could be $600 billion immediately in savings that go toward permanent tax cuts.

00:38:11.340 The SALT thing, over $10 is a half a trillion dollars.

00:38:16.260 And that's at the lower number.

00:38:17.760 That's like a $30K deduction, whatever.

00:38:20.240 And Lawler from New York is just going all out.

00:38:23.020 He's at war.

00:38:24.360 And Lawler had a comment, I got to hear somewhere.

00:38:27.000 He says, people are leaving New York because of the cost of living.

00:38:31.740 Well, the solution to that is to just pay New Yorkers, right?

00:38:37.760 Subsidize failing states and the poor.

00:38:41.900 He wants $80,000 SALT thing.

00:38:45.060 The average American doesn't even make $80,000, right?

00:38:48.560 I mean, so, yes, we need to incentivize capital, capital investment, business, and only that.

00:38:56.920 Not the tax breaks for the rich, the pass-through stuff.

00:39:00.840 It's a good thing the American people don't understand that, right?

00:39:03.920 That huge thing goes to what's called compensation to hedge funds and private equity and venture capital on their income, roughly.

00:39:15.440 And they get a 20% rate and not at the higher rate.

00:39:19.400 And so, you know, if that was going to manufacturing or capital people or whatever, I'd have less of an issue.

00:39:25.360 I'd still have an issue because it's not fair.

00:39:27.320 But our folks should have come in with a Milton Friedman-esque type of flat tax that everybody pays.

00:39:35.160 And the American people like that.

00:39:36.940 And if Trump delivered a flat tax across the board.

00:39:39.520 Oh, God.

00:39:39.780 You're going to your Milton Friedman.

00:39:43.840 Your Austrian school economics is coming through.

00:39:47.100 And it's fair.

00:39:48.700 It's fair.

00:39:49.860 No one's going to argue.

00:39:50.620 And then you do a negative income tax for the poor.

00:39:53.000 And boom. 0.96

00:39:54.400 Then you stimulate the economy.

00:39:56.740 And everyone, it ends the class war.

00:39:59.460 And the left is out of business.

00:40:00.980 They have no messaging anymore.

00:40:02.540 They're done.

00:40:04.140 But it's never going to happen.

00:40:06.120 What do you think is going to happen today in this markup?

00:40:09.340 I mean, are we going to get through this?

00:40:10.680 Or what's going to happen?

00:40:11.480 President Trump, I was going to put some pressure on some folks.

00:40:13.880 But I think, Russ, someone's got to walk the president through the entire package and what it means for deficits.

00:40:20.320 No one's countered our argument that this is $2 trillion of deficits or more every year.

00:40:26.780 We're not bending the arc.

00:40:28.340 We're not going from the – and this is their number, not my number. 0.80

00:40:31.480 Six and a half percent deficit to GDP down to three and a half percent.

00:40:36.780 I don't see that happening.

00:40:38.360 Have you seen any number that shows that this initiates the journey and the process to get there?

00:40:46.160 No, it goes in the wrong direction.

00:40:48.320 Everything's moving toward increasing tax deductions instead of going to the supply side.

00:40:56.140 In 2017, we got rid of $1.5 trillion, right, in the Tax Act.

00:41:03.220 And now we're only getting rid of, you know, half a trillion.

00:41:06.540 So we're losing a trillion on there.

00:41:08.880 That's just the tax piece.

00:41:10.480 And so, no, I think there's going to be some holdouts, and I hope there are, because the orthodoxy of Republicanism is tax cuts, but it's the spending first, right?

00:41:25.520 The idea, you know, just think of the founding fathers or anybody that has a brain in their head or any of the great leaders, you know, we had 60 years ago, et cetera.

00:41:35.360 This would have been absurd to them.

00:41:39.360 I mean, can you picture a Jefferson or a great mind going along with this just gimmicky stuff, to buy off voting blocks?

00:41:47.880 And it doesn't work.

00:41:48.880 You're becoming Democrats and leftists, and you're just moving in the wrong direction on the logic of what we have to have in place to have a great country.

00:41:57.720 And so I think there's going to be some holdouts on the Freedom Caucus side, and they're going to call them every name in the book.

00:42:05.760 The SALT guys and the Eastern Coast guys and the moderates, supposedly, they're holding out also.

00:42:12.060 But they're holding out for non-orthodox Republican policies.

00:42:14.700 I'm missing it.

00:42:15.380 I'm missing it because I don't know how the SALT guys justify.

00:42:19.720 They've won the argument at the lower brackets.

00:42:21.700 They're basically, correct me if I'm wrong, this SALT argument is, I'll tell you what, hang on.

00:42:26.520 And I'm going to bring you back after us because the SALT argument, I think what they're arguing now is protecting the wealthy, right?

00:42:34.640 I don't think it's about the middle class and the working class and the SALT agreement.

00:42:38.180 I think they're already up to $30,000 or $40,000.

00:42:40.220 Anyway, hang on for a second.

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00:45:00.540 Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security is simply untruthful.

00:45:04.020 You cannot cut Social Security anyway, and, you know, what this boils down to is a complete—we're operating on two different universes.

00:45:14.480 You think the tax money is yours, government is your God, and that's what your bottom line that you have.

00:45:23.440 You supported an administration and Joe Biden that trainwrecked this country by letting 15 to 20 million illegals in this country 1.00

00:45:29.760 where we have paid a price and are continuing to pay a price.

00:45:32.880 Now, where are we on this bill?

00:45:35.240 The tax cuts are great.

00:45:36.860 The tax money is the taxpayers, not the government bureaucracy.

00:45:41.060 And what we're dealing with now is so many good things that are happening.

00:45:45.460 You can use class warfare, rich, poor, black, white. 0.78

00:45:49.040 You're off base.

00:45:50.040 77 million people told you you were off base, and you're still off base.

00:45:56.220 But here's the questions I would ask, and, Mr. Chairman, I know you know this.

00:46:00.780 Is it right for healthy, able-bodied Americans that could work that don't work? 1.00

00:46:08.680 There's over 25 million healthy, able-bodied Americans that don't work.

00:46:12.280 Is it right for them to have a paycheck?

00:46:14.460 I don't think so.

00:46:15.640 Is it right if you're an illegal alien, which the right side of this aisle, my Democrat friends led in this country,

00:46:23.300 if you're an illegal, is it right to have illegals, cash, and checks with money we don't have?

00:46:30.620 And to phase this in for four years and give a—we're telling a healthy body, a healthy American, that you've got four years to get a job?

00:46:39.100 No.

00:46:39.660 The payment stops now.

00:46:41.440 If you're an illegal, the payment stops now.

00:46:44.060 On the IRA, a lot of these credits have been in existence for 30 and 40 years.

00:46:51.300 And you're talking about giveaways.

00:46:52.740 We want to help those who really need help.

00:46:55.440 And that's what we are—that's the heart of this.

00:46:59.100 Sadly, I'm a hard no until we get this ironed out.

00:47:03.180 And I think we can.

00:47:04.780 We've made progress.

00:47:05.780 But it just takes time.

00:47:07.140 And it's time that if we're going to continue to have just what I mentioned, able-bodied Americans getting checks, 0.99

00:47:16.320 illegals getting checks, subsidies that go to corporations that shouldn't get them, I'm out. 1.00

00:47:22.400 So thank you for—Mr. Chairman, again, for what you've done, and thank you for this budget committee.

00:47:28.280 I yield.

00:47:29.740 I thank the gentleman from South Carolina and now yield to Mr. Paul Tonko from New York for three minutes.

00:47:36.540 Thank you, Mr. Chair.

00:47:38.120 I'm in strong opposition to this big—

00:47:40.540 You heard Ralph Norman there.

00:47:41.980 He's a hard no.

00:47:43.900 Some of the issues about—with Medicaid, you know, we want to protect Medicaid, particularly for MAGA hardworking folks.

00:47:50.200 But you've got to have requirements.

00:47:52.800 You've got to work.

00:47:53.820 You've got to have a job.

00:47:55.760 You can't be laying around and have the government just sit there and pay for your medical.

00:47:59.400 It can't happen.

00:48:00.660 Sorry.

00:48:01.680 It may be—some people may say that's tough or cruel.

00:48:04.660 But, hey, it's a tough world.

00:48:08.800 And the requirements of God, I think they don't kick into 2029.

00:48:11.980 That's what Ralph Norman's talking about.

00:48:13.280 There's so much other—Dave Bratt, there's so much other things in here that have just got to be wrung out and got to be wrung out now

00:48:19.980 because we're borrowing from China to pay for all this.

00:48:25.920 It's just burying us deeper and deeper.

00:48:27.720 Your thoughts, sir?

00:48:28.440 Well, Ralph Norman is great, and people need to follow people like that and compliment them for doing a tough job.

00:48:38.880 He's about ready to have heaven and earth come down on his head tonight.

00:48:44.140 The leadership, they always position the House and then the freedom fighters right at the end of this process, right?

00:48:51.940 So it starts at $1.5 trillion.

00:48:54.260 Now it's down to zero.

00:48:56.460 And we might actually end up increasing spending.

00:48:59.840 And then the tax side that we just described.

00:49:02.300 But what he just said was my little sermon yesterday.

00:49:05.420 You guys are lying.

00:49:06.980 He told the Democrats straight to their face, you're lying.

00:49:09.820 We are not cutting Medicaid.

00:49:11.500 Requiring people to work while they get a check, which is a good—we're helping them, right?

00:49:19.040 We're helping the poor, sending them a check.

00:49:22.100 And so saying you've got to work—I mean, the moral case couldn't be more clear.

00:49:26.940 And that's what I'm saying.

00:49:28.200 The Republicans need to stand up on these points and simplify this tax code and get rid of this gimmicky stuff.

00:49:35.360 The flat thing I just throw out as an idea.

00:49:37.920 But the one good thing about the flat tax idea is you get rid of all the lobbyists.

00:49:42.880 You want to talk about getting rid of regulation and red tape and inefficiency in that city.

00:49:48.900 We've got to clear them out.

00:49:50.740 They're just living.

00:49:52.520 And the lobbyists for the billionaire tax cut guys, they're loud and vocal right now.

00:49:57.940 They're all saying—I'm not going to name names right here, but they're all saying, let's just pass this bill and get on, and we'll improve the tax cuts later.

00:50:04.920 Nothing about spending from any of them.

00:50:07.380 And if we don't solve this spending piece, we're in big trouble.

00:50:10.800 We haven't even brought up entitlements, right?

00:50:12.760 Social Security, Medicare.

00:50:13.920 That's coming at a later date, and that's binding, too, just like the bond market.

00:50:19.460 Yep.

00:50:20.520 We're going to have a tough one.

00:50:21.580 We're going to make sure, hopefully, President Trump gets all the information.

00:50:24.580 I can see already he's getting a little worked up.

00:50:27.020 We're going to have—can we put up the president—to let you know he's on point, he put up a tweet just a second ago.

00:50:35.700 Has anybody noticed that Taylor Swift is not—when he said she's not hot, she's, like, finished?

00:50:43.760 President Trump, Commander-in-Chief, and King of the Trolls, just unbelievable getting on Taylor Swift.

00:50:50.560 But, hey, we told you Taylor Swift was all plotting to go campaign for Biden and Kamala, and it got waved off when people talked to her about the math.

00:51:00.040 So President Trump is right there.

00:51:01.680 Dave Bratt, where do people go to get your charts, all your analysis?

00:51:04.860 I'm going to try to get you back on tomorrow, because this weekend I can tell you this budget thing is going to be a topic of conversation with President Trump.

00:51:13.980 Yep, great.

00:51:14.560 Everybody get educated.

00:51:15.620 I put my charts up from the other day on the Great Depression up on X and Getter, Bratt Economics, and the most important thing is to spread the war room. 0.84

00:51:26.340 Spread this platform because you see the knowledge you're getting.

00:51:30.020 And if the country doesn't get this stuff, we can't fix it.

00:51:35.160 Amen, brother.

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Bannon's War Room - May 16, 2025

Episode 4490： America’s Time To Reverse The Curse, Time For Transformational Tax Packages

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