Bannon's War Room - Episode 4517： Rise Of AI And Decline Of The White Collar Job

00:00:00.000 a critical look at the future of artificial intelligence it's a pretty incredible piece

00:00:06.240 it's entitled behind the curtain a white collar bloodbath um that is could be the result of ai

00:00:13.760 well yeah and and you know jim people that run ai companies don't want to talk about it they

00:00:20.880 want to pretend it's not going to happen silicon valley wants to pretend it's not going to happen

00:00:25.760 wall street doesn't really want to talk about it but the fact is as you report just like the

00:00:31.840 technological revolution the it revolution gutted blue-collar workers throughout the 90s and beyond

00:00:38.640 you're now talking about a bloodbath for white-collar workers because of ai and from from 1.00

00:00:44.880 what you've seen and what you're reporting on it is going to be a bloodbath uh for workers i mean

00:00:52.560 that is certainly the warning of dario uh amade who is the ceo of anthropic and just for your

00:00:58.400 viewers anthropic is one of the top creators of this ai these large language models in the world

00:01:04.800 so he has better visibility than probably all but two or three people in the world into the power of

00:01:09.440 this technology he'd been telling us in private for a while that this bloodbath could be coming

00:01:14.240 but that lawmakers don't want to talk about it the federal government doesn't want to talk about it ai

00:01:18.240 companies don't want to spook people we finally convinced him to go on the record and his point

00:01:23.280 is like listen just play with this technology not just casually like once you really dive into it

00:01:28.400 you realize it can do the work already of researchers of analysts of a whole host of

00:01:34.480 entry-level white-collar jobs and he put it in the starkest of terms he said like based on

00:01:39.360 their early analysis over a five-year period it could wipe out half of white-collar entry-level jobs

00:01:45.600 unemployment could spike to 10 to 20 percent in the next five years and this is a guy who's

00:01:51.040 building the technology who's boasting about the power of it and when we push them on then if you're

00:01:56.000 building it like how do you morally uh kind of think about it in your own mind and he said i have

00:02:01.840 an obligation to build the technology i also have an obligation to get the federal government to get

00:02:06.400 lawmakers to get other ai companies to figure out how do we prepare the american worker and how do we

00:02:12.080 protect uh the american worker and so you know as someone who runs a company i run axios uh as a ceo

00:02:19.200 i spend an inordinate amount of time studying ai and how it's going to play out just in my space

00:02:24.560 of media and i can guarantee you in the next five years it's going to radically transform

00:02:29.440 the makeup of our company well every single company in the world is doing this every ceo

00:02:34.720 is sitting there saying should i fill this role should i open this role will a machine do this better than

00:02:40.320 man in the next couple of years when you see data out about the difficulty of college grads finding

00:02:46.720 new jobs this is one of the early uh telltale signs that this could be coming in his mind i think

00:02:52.640 it's sounding the alarm it's like listen we got to have a national debate that this isn't 10 years from

00:02:56.720 now it could be six months from now it could be 12 months from now then there has to be a debate about

00:03:01.840 okay how do you make sure that workers are prepared to use artificial intelligence to augment their work

00:03:07.440 not displace their work that's what we've been doing at axios we give everybody access to the

00:03:11.680 technology we have a deal with open ai we make sure that every single unit no matter what your job is

00:03:16.880 is already playing with this to figure out how are you going to augment your work so you don't get

00:03:20.880 displaced by it hell i told my own staff you're committing career suicide if you're not spending 10 0.56

00:03:26.400 of your day experimenting with the technology and i don't think most people are i think people are like

00:03:31.360 whoa this is too science fiction or uh you know it's a really neat search engine they're not actually

00:03:36.640 looking at the capabilities they don't have the time they have real lives but i think dario's point

00:03:42.000 was they might not wake up until it's way too late and if lawmakers are way too late to it you could

00:03:48.000 have real issues you could have unemployment as he said 10 to 20 percent uh if he's right which would

00:03:53.600 then lead to obvious political unrest we have steve bannon on the record in there saying he thinks the

00:03:58.400 exact same thing is going to play out he said trump's not talking about it but he thinks this will be

00:04:02.640 maybe the biggest topic of the 2028 presidential election hello hey guten tak and ola it's me or

00:04:10.240 rather my ai avatar here to share clarna's q1 2025 highlights i mean you have steve you have steve bannon

00:04:17.680 on the right you have other people on the left very concerned about this and uh jim underline you

00:04:23.280 underlined a point that i've actually told my kids which is if you're going into an interview if you're if

00:04:29.840 you're going uh into anything where where you are going to be talking and you want to understand a

00:04:36.880 a topic it's just foolish not to go go on to a search engine app an ai search engine app and and

00:04:45.760 dig in deep to try to understand a company that you're talking to or an issue that you're talking

00:04:51.040 about better it's it is uh elizabeth it is the future the future is now and a lot of the spaces

00:04:59.920 that we work in 10 years from now are going to look completely different because of ai and

00:05:05.280 white collar workers across the country as jim said are going to be deeply impacted it's

00:05:12.160 uh slop like total slop slop yes ai slop it's everywhere ai will not replace us ai will not replace us

00:05:24.640 ai will not replace us i'm being replaced ai will not replace us i'm being replaced

00:05:32.720 ai will not replace us i'm too valuable i'm too important ai will not replace us

00:05:49.200 things are getting really heated here with tensions rising quickly between the protesters and the police

00:05:54.720 we are replacing you no i'm being replaced i'm being replaced they will not replace us

00:06:07.360 i don't for journalism i don't think that the machines are going to do the journalism per se

00:06:11.680 but if you play with it at all you realize it's going to be a really good copy editor it's going to

00:06:15.920 be a really good marketer it's going to be really good at doing research it's going to be really good

00:06:20.000 at doing marketing it's going to be really good at taking any piece and maybe click creating eight

00:06:24.640 different variations to send it out to all the other platforms and that's what i would encourage

00:06:29.200 people to do is is play with it assuming that the hallucinations and the errors go away because there

00:06:34.640 are times where it is truly magical truly magical and if that were to happen with a human level efficacy

00:06:41.920 anybody running a company i'm telling you as someone who runs a company they're always going

00:06:46.240 to choose automation because they're going to believe that over time it's going to make

00:06:49.680 their company more profitable and it's going to create more jobs and that might be true and that

00:06:54.160 often is true with technology that in the long arc it creates more jobs what's different here is

00:06:59.840 this is a technology that could hit hard in the next six to 18 months and it's going to hit every

00:07:05.120 single role potentially simultaneously and something that fast with that kind of breath could have a

00:07:12.160 much bigger effect than almost any of the topics that they're debating on capitol hill and when you

00:07:16.960 talk to members of congress it's alarming how little they know about this topic and how little and

00:07:23.120 how uh how infrequently they talk to their constituents about it you're doing a disservice

00:07:28.400 to the country if you're not starting to think through what does the world look like in 18 months to

00:07:32.800 three years this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going

00:07:43.440 medieval on these people i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people

00:07:50.640 have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in

00:07:54.640 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like

00:07:58.320 that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a

00:08:06.480 conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country

00:08:14.640 this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann

00:08:26.560 it's wednesday 28 may europe our lord 2025 okay uh this is the reason we brought in joe allen

00:08:32.560 over four years ago to be our editor for all things artificial intelligence this is why he

00:08:36.880 wrote the great book dark aeon um this is why he puts material up every day it's been with us

00:08:42.720 working on another huge project for us right now today's show is packed uh mark mitchell we're going

00:08:47.200 to come in and talk about uh some polling blow away polling for president trump uh of what we voted for

00:08:53.600 jim rickerts kurt mills jack basobiec folks uh i hope you realize this we said president trump

00:08:59.920 one of the first things he's going to do and put his shoulders to the wheel is to stop the

00:09:03.280 kinetic part of the third world war it is we are getting sucked in moment by moment into a kinetic

00:09:10.320 conflict uh on the eurasian landmass uh in ukraine and uh part of this is driven by wait for it

00:09:17.600 artificial intelligence and advanced technology we're going to have a a terrific group to walk through

00:09:22.960 that i've got joe allen so joe this is one aspect of artificial intelligence that we have to get in

00:09:31.360 front of and the war and posse is as you know is so up to date on this because we talk about this all

00:09:37.120 the time we brought you and you've done more than a magnificent job but when they talk and they because

00:09:42.960 it's the situation of control technology being used for military aspects uh this uh this uh technology

00:09:50.000 which could have and may have tremendous upside for man but it's got uh such unlimited dark side and

00:09:58.800 downside that it has to be reviewed thought through until you know this thing spins out of control one

00:10:05.200 on the um on the employment that i've been hammering on for now for a couple of years just in the last few

00:10:11.120 days semaphore ben smith's operation semaphore did an amazing interview with cognizant ceo in the

00:10:19.680 buried lead which was not in the headline he said today 20 and they're one of the biggest of these

00:10:24.000 it companies he said hey 22 percent of all our coding today is done by artificial intelligence he

00:10:30.720 said within the next 12 months at least 50 percent and going to essentially he said i i think he implied

00:10:38.000 75 to 80 percent of all coding you will have coding managers but the coding be done for artificial

00:10:43.520 intelligence um microsoft the other day i think laid off what 3 000 people announced the 3 000 layoff

00:10:50.240 30 because of ai ibm yesterday or two days ago announced 8 000 people out of their human resources

00:10:57.520 department implied that it was 100 because of artificial intelligence this is just not on coding entry

00:11:03.920 level and kind of all the way up to mid-level administrative managerial and tech jobs are going to get

00:11:10.880 eviscerated because the model that wall street's looking at right now with all this infusion of 0.97

00:11:15.360 capital is an efficiency model it's not about greater productivity and greater creativity that

00:11:20.640 may come later right now this is they're getting rid of bodies okay to be blunt because they want to

00:11:26.880 drive up uh earnings they want higher operating margins we have to face this because once it's here

00:11:33.680 and they said something there that's very important peter navarro put an amazing piece in the hill

00:11:38.240 brat and i are going to break it all down at six o'clock tonight that really got into the theory

00:11:42.320 of the case we're talking about of um of what is really in this bill of of tariffs and and and and

00:11:49.280 and what the supply side tax are going to do and he makes a very compelling case on the upside

00:11:54.160 which i support however in this in this van der hey piece which everybody has to read and grace we

00:12:00.320 got to put out you need to read the axios piece today they're talking about hey because of artificial

00:12:06.160 intelligence and some of what trump's doing you could have ten percent growth uh but you also

00:12:11.920 may have ten to twenty percent unemployment particularly of people under 30 and the

00:12:15.600 pressure we have on these people under 30 is great enough right now uh joe you were able to splice in

00:12:20.960 a couple other shocking artificial intelligence parts into the cold open explain uh take a crack

00:12:27.600 we got a couple minutes you're going to be here for a couple of segments in fact you're going to hang

00:12:31.120 over for the military aspect too talk to me about the van der hey uh axios piece because axios is the

00:12:37.680 consensus kind of the cutting edge ahead of the game consensus of washington dc and of course it

00:12:43.920 premiered this morning on morning joe your thoughts sir i think the most shocking thing about that entire

00:12:50.800 interview is van der hey openly saying that axios is incorporating ai into all aspects of their

00:12:58.000 business or as many are as possible and that their writers and that their editors and proofreaders

00:13:04.080 and uh the copywriters content creators will basically be forced to augment themselves with ai

00:13:13.440 there are two reasons this is bothersome one this is the main message coming out of silicon valley

00:13:20.080 this is the main message coming out of the world economic forum the idea of the fourth industrial

00:13:25.360 revolution is that you won't be able to get by without fusing your physical your digital and

00:13:32.640 biological identities basically as a writer as an editor as a graphic artist if you do not make ai a

00:13:40.560 component of your personality of your profession you will get left behind cyborg eyes or die the the

00:13:48.880 second thing though that's really bothersome he mentioned the hallucinations but the hallucination

00:13:54.240 problem problem in ai has only gotten worse as the systems get bigger and more sophisticated the one

00:14:01.600 that nobody really knows why but one of the reasons most likely is that the freedom that is allowed the

00:14:07.200 degrees of freedom allowed with ai basically mean that the ai is free to lie to you to make things

00:14:15.040 up uh now these are the kinds of uh criticisms you have to keep in mind about the powers of ai but those

00:14:21.120 videos that you just saw both uh the clarina ceo and also the protesters that the visuals were entirely

00:14:30.240 generated by ai if we had shown you the cutting edge of ai video generation three years ago which we

00:14:36.960 did if you go back and look they are clunky they are warped this is a whole new level yeah

00:14:45.280 hang on for one second we'll take a break maybe we'll come back with that

00:14:48.320 we have to get ahead of this war and posse's got to do this or we're going to have mass 0.79

00:14:52.080 unemployment among particularly entry-level people under 30. short break back in a moment

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00:16:27.040 it's a slop like total slop yes a.i.slop it's everywhere a.i.will not replace us a.i.will not

00:16:39.840 replace us a.i.will not replace us a.i.will not replace us i'm being replaced a.i.will not replace us i'm

00:16:48.080 being replaced a.i.will not what what i want to do i see that that's great that's part of it but i

00:16:56.880 also want to go back and we can load the beginning of that uh clip which is even i think more disturbing

00:17:01.760 with the crowd shots and everything like that so if tell me when we uh denver tell me when we got that

00:17:06.560 loaded um three things are happening today and folks to connect the dots are all driven by artificial

00:17:14.880 intelligence number one uh the ukraine this ukraine war the targeting in ukraine and we're getting

00:17:21.200 sucked in this uh the uh ukrainians had a massive attack drone attack into moscow last night alex

00:17:27.360 jones is is got this great video of him like going on a rant for five minutes saying the russian uh

00:17:34.880 attack over the weekend was pretty brutal is in response to a drone attack on uh trying to

00:17:40.720 assassinate putin he's got some pretty good details he's very dialed in when you talk

00:17:44.800 about drones that's the only protect they're all all the fire control solutions are coming from

00:17:49.280 artificial intelligence so so we're being sucked in mark this down we are with all of president

00:17:56.320 trump's efforts we are moment by moment being sucked into a kinetic part of a third world war

00:18:02.000 in ukraine number two elon musk is a very you know i think unacceptable and unnecessary interview

00:18:07.920 with cbs this weekend is breaking really critical president trump but the whole issue is doge and

00:18:13.520 artificial intelligence what did they actually find what was it good for and i talked to a lot

00:18:18.080 of people in the administration what's happened that's all about artificial intelligence or a lot

00:18:21.520 of it is and then third you've got this issue now coming up as you're starting to have these earning

00:18:26.720 reports and these tech companies and some of these big corporations are kind of burying

00:18:32.320 down bur burying down in in like the 50th paragraph of the earnings report oh yeah we're about to let

00:18:37.920 go 5 000 or 10 000 people and they either say outright it's about artificial intelligence or

00:18:43.520 because they don't want to be they imply it's because of artificial intelligence so this is

00:18:48.480 every day metastasizing and if you just wanted to metastasize and hey we'll see what happens and

00:18:54.880 the devil catches the hindmost then fine just sit back and accept it if you want to say yo uh we can't

00:19:01.200 let technology be our master and that's what's happening here joe uh alan your thoughts sir

00:19:09.520 yeah this is going to be very difficult to master uh let's just assume that these technologies

00:19:17.200 remain as flawed as they are right now we know that the people creating them and we know you hear it

00:19:24.160 there on morning joe with the axios editor that corporations across america and across the world

00:19:33.040 are intent on incorporating ai and in the blue collar level robotics at every level anywhere possible

00:19:42.320 to make it more efficient they will replace human beings this is being incorporated in education with ai 1.00

00:19:48.480 teachers this is being incorporated in medicine you have dr oz talking about that physicians who do not

00:19:56.080 consult ai in the near future will be considered negligent this is being incorporated in the government

00:20:03.200 you see it with doge clearing the way for ai to be used to employ or to basically replace government

00:20:10.800 employees or force government employees to use it to become quote unquote more productive and then of

00:20:16.960 course in the military uh ai is being heralded as the key to geopolitical power in the future but

00:20:24.240 let's imagine they remain this flawed then that means basically we are intentionally willfully

00:20:30.640 crippling ourselves with flawed technologies that do have some aspects of superiority as far as data

00:20:38.080 gathering and analysis but ultimately are rife with hallucinations and other sorts of glitches or

00:20:45.440 let's imagine that they are these technologies are refined to the point that elon musk believes they

00:20:51.040 will be that sam altman believes they will be that dario armaday at anthropic believes they will be

00:20:56.880 well then that means these hyper effective hyper efficient machines will first forcefully augment human

00:21:03.840 workers who are basically cornered and have to adopt them and then replace first coders and then most

00:21:11.920 white collar jobs and then most blue collar jobs with robotics if it goes the way they plan it is

00:21:17.840 total replacement hang hang on hang over a second i want to get to that so blue collar are skilled

00:21:25.120 artisans you're in and even the robotics in the factory are not the first wave i just sent to as even

00:21:32.400 as we speak the great dave ramaswamy sent me mckinsey uh which is the premier consulting firm throughout the

00:21:39.120 world is going to shed 10 of their worldwide staff and the implication here is that most of that is

00:21:45.200 driven by artificial intelligence 10 of the consultant of the administrative lower level managerial and

00:21:51.600 lower level consulting uh at mckinsey and that's just the first cut right go back hit this again uh and

00:21:59.120 then i'll play the altman uh fetterman clip hit it again that um um this process of what's going to

00:22:07.600 happen is going to eat through and burn through because it's an efficiency model all these guys

00:22:14.080 are putting this out in their earnings report because they want to show wall street that hey

00:22:18.000 we get it the first use of artificial intelligence is not to make things better and more productive

00:22:23.120 that's all going to come later their first and they'll talk about that but the first

00:22:27.600 model they're doing is is efficiency let's get rid of the humans right particularly uh on the 0.67

00:22:33.360 managerial side and administrative side and technological side people that don't have advanced

00:22:38.320 skills right uh so they're not like top level surgeons they're more of the of the people you go

00:22:44.480 into augment the your local general practitioner he's got an ai robot that takes the place of five or

00:22:50.960 six people on staff on the media side i know this talking our show is very different it kind of

00:22:55.440 you know i think it up with the the production staff we get our experts on we see what's what we

00:23:00.560 think is is driving the narrative and what's important but other staffs if you know they're

00:23:04.880 they're all reading off a screen they're all have they have writers staffs of writers staffs of

00:23:09.680 producers staffs of researchers one person talked to me yesterday they have a 30 person staff to put

00:23:15.360 up a couple hour show uh they have done an analysis about artificial intelligence they can actually do

00:23:21.600 their show today without the camera producers and those guys they still keep those but on the creative

00:23:26.880 side of a 30 person staff joe they would keep three people they would get rid of 27 people if

00:23:33.120 they they're they're not going to do that but they said and but they're going to take a chunk they're

00:23:36.880 probably going to let a third of the people go here this year so walk me through the the uh the

00:23:42.480 progression plan in here and how artificial intelligence is basically going to replace the

00:23:47.760 human in white collar jobs you know these these predictions have to be taken with a grain of

00:23:54.000 salt to some extent because they're all over the map as far as the exact numbers just for instance

00:23:58.880 we were talking about this morning a dario amaday of anthropic who van der haye was referencing told

00:24:06.160 two months ago told the council on foreign relations that within three to six months all coding or 90

00:24:13.920 of coding would be done by ai that was two months ago and he said that within a year is possible that all

00:24:20.880 coding will be done by ai 100 so that would be 10 months from now this gives us a good gauge as to

00:24:28.000 how accurate these predictions are because we'll find out very very soon how accurately dario amaday

00:24:33.760 predicted this wipe out of jobs but one thing is clear whether it is 90 or whether it is 100 or whether

00:24:40.800 it's 40 this is major and whether the the models hallucinate 30 of the time or 10 of the time or 50 of

00:24:49.200 the time they want to incorporate them anyway so kind of the the cascade begins ironically enough

00:24:56.320 in silicon valley with the coders it moves outward to script writers to content creators to editors

00:25:03.520 proofreaders to graphic artists to video generation creative jobs that are being eaten up by ai slop even if 0.98

00:25:11.840 it is slop it's the slop that the managers and the owners and the board members want from there you have

00:25:19.200 kind of mid-level jobs white collar jobs you've got paralegals receptionists customer service bank

00:25:25.680 tellers on and on and on you also have in medicine radiologists and people who have to look at you

00:25:31.280 know for details in scans but i don't know about the blue collar everybody thought blue collar would be the

00:25:37.680 first that is definitely not happening what we do see for sure are rapid advances in manufacturing

00:25:45.840 automation so these are kind of alien-like arms and whatnot that are working on cars or any other

00:25:52.080 electronics products but you also have the rapid development now of humanoid robots this is on down

00:25:58.960 the road but if they can perfect something like a humanoid then you're talking about wiping out most blue 1.00

00:26:05.040 collar jobs the real important point here is though steve these people want this they're telling us that this

00:26:12.560 greater replacement is for our own good so we're supposed to sit around on ubi and entertain ourselves

00:26:20.400 with ai slop i don't think that's an acceptable future

00:26:26.080 um real quickly you got a minute before i go to break uh talk to me about the the controversy of the

00:26:32.320 humanoid robot robot inside technology and artificial intelligence there is a debate right now of do you

00:26:38.720 you make the humanoid robot look human or is that going to freak out humans too much particularly in

00:26:43.840 the first wave should we make it look like something else so it's not it doesn't freak people out that

00:26:48.960 they actually are being replaced by something that looks just like them but happens to be a digital

00:26:54.560 machine sir you know i think they'll go both ways if you look at the amazon fulfillment centers with

00:27:00.880 their little humanoid robot digit it looks like something kind of ridiculous like a cartoon something out of 0.68

00:27:06.160 star wars if you look at optimus it looks like something that will strangle you in your bed at 0.81

00:27:10.880 night as you sleep uh but then you have and this is you know kind of crass but you have people who look

00:27:17.360 to these robots for erotic purposes and i think that's probably where you're going to see the kind of

00:27:23.200 companionship bots that's where you're going to see people start to accept these strange almost human

00:27:29.840 silicone-faced robots as companions and romantic partners and so on and so forth it'll be varied

00:27:37.840 but i think that it's going to be it's happening now some people will accept it maybe most

00:27:45.920 hang over for a second we're getting more into this particularly the ukraine part of this war

00:27:50.480 with these drones and artificial intelligence fire control solutions uh

00:27:55.840 dave brad's going to join me at six peter navarro's got an incredible piece up in the hill

00:28:00.880 walks through the entire kind of business model of president trump's putting out the economic

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00:29:54.560 what do you hate about ai ai

00:29:56.320 i'm extremely concerned about my fluids ai doesn't have any fluids ai is not logical

00:30:12.320 i don't believe ai can replicate true human creativity it can't piss in the toilet yeah or 0.72

00:30:19.520 menstruate yeah or and ejaculate ejaculate it can't do dishes it can't walk the dog it's just 0.98

00:30:27.360 stuck inside a little screen it's 0.99

00:30:35.440 slop by the way that's all that's that's all artificial intelligence right there uh i've got

00:30:41.360 records on uh so jim we've been talking about mckinsey just announced letting go ten percent of

00:30:45.520 the workforce about this really incredible piece uh by uh vander hay and mike allen over at axios

00:30:52.240 and it was on morning joe this morning about this uh quite frankly a white collar job apocalypse is

00:30:58.880 coming i've got you on the morning this morning for geopolitics and all this and how we're getting

00:31:03.280 sucked in i think more and more to the kinetic war in ukraine and around that kind of arc of

00:31:09.280 instability prince one of the big reasons is artificial intelligence and particularly

00:31:14.320 sophistication of artificial intelligence in drone warfare and fire control solutions so first off

00:31:20.000 your overall assessment of and wall street looks like it's on an efficiency model you know mckinsey

00:31:25.680 once announced ten percent layoffs cognizant saying that fifty percent of their coders are gone

00:31:30.960 in within 12 months uh your thoughts on both the employment part of this this coming apocalypse

00:31:37.040 and i want to get into ukraine and and it really looks like uncertainty among american policy because

00:31:42.800 lindsey graham and the in the war hawks are banging the drum that hey we're going all in

00:31:48.160 jim rickerts thank you for joining us this morning the war room yep thanks uh well you're absolutely

00:31:53.760 right about the job replacement aspect of ai there's a lot more to it and i i know this is not book tv but

00:31:59.360 my new book money gpt is all about ai as applied to capital markets but also there's a chapter of nuclear

00:32:05.680 war fighting uh annie jacobson had a great book called nuclear war she doesn't really talk about ai

00:32:10.480 but uh that there's there's never been a better book about what a nuclear war would look like what

00:32:15.680 i do in one of my chapters i inject ai into the kill chain and show how that could make nuclear war

00:32:21.200 more likely uh so uh there's a lot there's a lot to it but the job thing yeah i just uh you know just

00:32:26.640 for personal reasons i've been spending a little time in the hospital lately and the the nurses and

00:32:30.800 the nurse practitioners they have this little uh pause it looks like a little microphone they wear and

00:32:35.520 it's all ai i mean they're real but something says uh you know nurse in room 30 please check in

00:32:41.200 and you do they do and they get instructions go to room 25 whatever that's all i i can hear it i know

00:32:47.200 it's a robotic voice uh there used to be somebody who did that you know somebody who sat there like

00:32:51.200 a dispatcher and tried to move the nurses around so it's everywhere um that's going to continue now

00:32:57.200 the question is where where does it go and what are the what's the significance of it you were talking

00:33:01.520 about um creatives uh you know tv writers basically or people who who are creative for shows i've taken

00:33:08.240 a number of tests where you get two samples one's ai generated one's written by you know the human

00:33:13.360 and uh but both anonymous can you spot it i can spot the ai in like a sentence or maybe two but it's

00:33:20.480 pretty easy now can ai produce grammatical uh english or you know other languages you know just say

00:33:26.880 english can it write a script can it write a book yes it can but is it any good and what what it

00:33:32.560 cannot do there's something this is i had to get too geeky but there's something called the law of

00:33:35.760 conservation of information in the search world and what it says is that no matter how much speed

00:33:41.600 you have no matter how much ai you have it will never find anything new it can find it faster it can

00:33:47.360 find the places you wouldn't look it can find connections that humans uh would take you know decades

00:33:52.640 if ever to discover so i'm not saying it's not valuable but it doesn't come up with anything new

00:33:57.440 you can i can our viewers can we can come up with a new idea and you know in the next 30 seconds but

00:34:02.800 ai cannot it can only find stuff so now you've got this world where we're going to substitute ai for

00:34:07.840 humans but you're losing the creativity and then you've got zuckerberg and others saying what's the

00:34:12.720 big deal we'll just give everybody a check that's guaranteed basic income or it goes by a couple

00:34:17.360 different names uh but yeah put everyone on a on a government payroll uh let them eat doritos watch

00:34:23.040 tv and let a handful of people around the world that's that's what they're getting at they they

00:34:26.880 won't get there and i explain why in my book um it has to do with the the lack of common sense but

00:34:34.960 the dangers along the way like yeah this is efficient i just got rid of you know 10 of my workforce

00:34:40.160 that's happening it's going to continue to happen but we're we're counting the we're counting the

00:34:45.760 pennies from those savings and we're ignoring the dangers which are the ones i refer to which is

00:34:50.320 it doesn't have common sense it doesn't have empathy you actually can't program that you cannot

00:34:55.280 program common sense but take it out of the equation of decision making and you get disaster

00:35:00.560 but but sometimes but sometimes it overwhelms common sense let's go to your kill chain theory

00:35:05.360 and by the way if you go to recordswarroom.com the landing page you get access access to strategic

00:35:12.640 intelligence this is a c-suite read if you want to see what chairman and ceos decision makers

00:35:17.680 throughout the world are reading and incorporating the decision maker this is what jim gives you access

00:35:23.360 to so you got the war room you got records uh strategic intelligence you're loaded for bear he

00:35:29.760 also throws in the book uh money gpt which i told you hey it's you read it you're not going to be

00:35:35.600 sleeping on the first night after you read it part of it is that nuclear talk to me about the kill

00:35:40.320 chain my concern now is in ukraine you see an escalation and it's not troops and trenches right

00:35:47.200 now they're not fighting for strategic hamlets you've got an air war going on that is as sophisticated

00:35:52.160 an air war as you've ever seen with these drones and if you believe alex jones and i do the response

00:35:57.840 of the ukrainians is coming or the russians that's kind of escalated this is coming off a very sophisticated

00:36:02.640 attack to try to take down putin and this is all driven by artificial intelligence this could not

00:36:08.800 happen unless you had artificial intelligence is that leading us into really a shooting war where

00:36:14.720 we're going to be an active participant uh jim records uh yes there's no doubt that that's uh from uh

00:36:21.360 you know macron uh starmer emerged in germany um you know the eu such as they are uh zelensky himself

00:36:29.840 uh warmongers and and the us lindsey led by lindsey graham but with a lot of support a lot of other

00:36:34.720 people in there and candidly mike waltz who you know was kind of out as national security advisor

00:36:39.280 but some of those people were in the white house uh that that's what they wanted all along and you

00:36:44.560 know this uh we're going to have uh we're going to have a ceasefire and then we're going to send

00:36:48.080 troops in to enforce the ceasefire well first of all the ceasefire is a fraud the west has lied

00:36:52.640 about every engagement with putin you can't blame putin for not trusting the west for not signing

00:36:56.880 up to a ceasefire minsk one was a lie angela merkel said so i mean that's not just my speculation

00:37:01.520 after the fact she said we never intended to abide by that minstu same thing um cia and mi6 and uh

00:37:08.080 victoria newland running the uh coup in 2014 then putin takes crimea it's like then they uh then they

00:37:15.840 continue to attack the russian-speaking population in eastern ukraine putin launches a special military

00:37:21.120 operation same thing in georgia in 2008 so what what part of invasion do you not understand you keep

00:37:26.160 pushing putin and by the way steve uh in the past week you know last couple days actually new york

00:37:30.800 times and the other kind of deep state outlets where you know uh russia launches greatest you

00:37:36.320 know attack most drones most targets most explosives etc on ukraine which is true by the way but what

00:37:42.400 they left out was that that was in retaliation to a large ukrainian attack in the days before deep

00:37:48.480 inside russia and just quick footnote mertz i don't know you're not that powerful actually chancellor

00:37:53.680 of germany okayed the use of uh western weapons and german weapons to strike deeper you know basically

00:37:59.680 moscow uh deeper inside russia they did try to to kill putin he was visiting kurs which is part of

00:38:06.000 the russian federation that but but but but but but hang over a second but mertz we're gonna have

00:38:11.680 harnwell on here because i have harnwell do the research mertz implied that the americans it was

00:38:16.720 it was uh france the united kingdom and germany and the united states the big four in nato he implied

00:38:23.360 i think he lied i haven't seen anything out of the white house i haven't seen any advisors saying that

00:38:27.200 we've had ben kind of search and tammy bruce uh our our dear friend who's over at the state department

00:38:33.760 wouldn't confirm or deny yesterday when when confronted by reporters so this is my point

00:38:39.120 about sucking the united states in do you believe that we've authorized the use of those weapons to

00:38:44.640 do deep strikes into into russia sir yes either explicitly or implicitly what i mean by that is

00:38:51.680 if they're talking about it and they're starting to do it the us is on board let me put it differently

00:38:55.520 steve if the us didn't want that to happen it wouldn't happen so if it's happening and i believe

00:39:01.200 it is then the us is green lighted it one way or another um but yeah whether it's money uh weapons

00:39:07.440 uh deeper strikes inside russia um you know the use of drones you're absolutely right about

00:39:11.920 artificial intelligence ukraine doesn't have that kind of artificial intelligence ukraine doesn't have

00:39:17.360 the satellite surveillance they don't have the computers they don't have the targeting ability that's

00:39:21.200 all this has been revealed i mean it's not you know uh you know a surprise um it's all being

00:39:26.720 supplied by the united states in west germany et cetera um and it's all designed to put pressure on

00:39:31.920 putin but i i don't know what happened to the western ability to understand russia and putin they

00:39:36.800 don't i mean a couple things about putin i'll just i'll tell you he does not bluff if he says he's

00:39:41.200 doing something he'll do it if he says he's going to do something he'll do it he does not bluff

00:39:44.880 this idea that putin's bluffing let's call his bluff that's a short a short path to world war

00:39:49.520 three uh number two they're not going to agree to a ceasefire why should they they're winning

00:39:54.880 the side that's winning doesn't do a ceasefire they keep going you want a ceasefire okay surrender

00:39:59.520 or agree to our terms yes then you'll get your ceasefire but not because you say so and by the way

00:40:04.720 ukraine has lied about everything if you had a ceasefire they're not going to but if they did

00:40:08.880 ukraine would use it to build up more weapons try to suck u.s troops i mean u.s troops are already there 0.81

00:40:14.000 in um you know not non-uniformed intelligence assets um you know paramilitaries etc that's

00:40:20.000 that's always been true but yeah they they want they want u.s boots on the ground because the

00:40:24.560 minute you kill one american in uniform in ukraine now there's no there's no backing down you know

00:40:30.000 you gotta you know you do have world war three i would say we're already there see we're this is

00:40:33.920 a war between russia and the united states it's what biden wanted it's what um blinken and jake

00:40:40.080 sullivan and victoria newland and now lindsey graham that's what they want they got it

00:40:43.760 okay nice going but uh the question for trump is but hang but hang but hang but hang but hang on

00:40:49.120 jim you're making my head blow up president trump specifically ran and he's an advocate of peace

00:40:54.800 through strength the last his as we keep talking about the verticals his number one vertical that he

00:41:00.240 led with is is is is laying down our guns our weapons and getting some sort of at least ceasefires

00:41:07.840 to stop the kinetic part of the third world war in in uh in ukraine and in israel gaza in this whole

00:41:14.960 conflict with persia and in the red sea isn't that his number one priority how do you what is it that

00:41:21.280 is drawing us inexorably into this war what what is it the deep state is it the is it the the arms

00:41:28.320 makers i mean joe allen will come in here and he'll talk about palantir and uh and all these you know

00:41:33.760 palmer lucky's company all these companies using artificial intelligence and advanced technology

00:41:38.160 that are selling you know unlimited weapons i mean palmer's business plan is saying hey uh i i'm i'm

00:41:45.040 creating the gun shop for the world right that the pentagon's underwriting but also everybody's

00:41:50.000 profiting from is what is inexorably drawing this is like world war one where nobody could figure out

00:41:55.280 how we got into this mess until there were hundreds of thousands of people dead and then the vengeance

00:42:00.800 and the acrimony take over and you can't stop we've separated ourselves from that are we being

00:42:06.800 sucked in now by the deep state sir yes and uh you point out world war one is well taken i've read

00:42:13.280 picked up several like 600 page books on world war one i can never finish any of them because i'm like

00:42:18.560 i don't get it like yeah 20 million people were killed but why you can never get to the why uh world

00:42:24.800 world war ii is different um uh yet no it's absolutely being sucked in and uh you know trump

00:42:30.560 could end the war tomorrow with a phone call and basically you have to agree to putin's terms but

00:42:35.360 what's so bad about that because he won the war you know you should have you should have thought of

00:42:39.360 that in 2014 uh when you provoked the war and and uh and after the coup so um yeah and by the way on

00:42:46.320 the arms manufacturer steve here here's how you know this here's how it works we said we spent 200

00:42:50.880 billion dollars on ukraine well we did but the way we spent it was giving money to our own arms

00:42:56.240 manufacturers to build new stuff and we sent ukraine the surplus the you know the high modern missiles

00:43:01.520 didn't work the russians jammed the gps bradley fighting vehicles left burning on the ground the

00:43:05.520 aprons tanks didn't work they they were blown up you know by mines and you know drones etc the kind

00:43:10.240 of thing you're talking about um the f-16 why do you not hear about f-16s it took three years to get

00:43:14.560 f-16s you don't hear about them because they get shot down by the uh the s-400s so that was all

00:43:19.920 surplus stuff that was all out-of-date stuff some of it from the 80s and then we built

00:43:24.000 jim jim jim jim hang on hang hang over a second you're gonna stick with us for a while we got

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00:45:23.920 uh welcome back joe allen uh you have some thoughts uh about this uh artificial intelligence and

00:45:30.160 integration into advanced military systems i think we're being exact inexorably drawn

00:45:35.680 and it's part of it's the deep state countering president trump what president trump wants to do

00:45:40.000 and you can see in this polling in in south carolina with lindsey graham which he's deeply underwater

00:45:45.280 a big part of this is maga that says no we do not want to be sucked into any more war or the wars

00:45:50.880 between israel persia or ukraine and russia we don't want to be sucked into this uh if we do if we go in

00:45:56.960 it all wants to be we want to make a conscious decision but right now we're getting dragged into

00:46:02.240 this thing part of the reason i think is what rickard just said these are not ukrainian weapons and

00:46:08.080 their weapon systems and they're not western europe weapon systems they're american weapon systems

00:46:13.040 particularly the artificial intelligence and drone part of it joe allen steve i think back to

00:46:20.000 when the invasion first unfolded and i was in dc with you in the studio and you said what is the

00:46:27.040 you asked me what is the artificial intelligence angle on this surely that is going to be the most

00:46:32.000 important part of this war at the time it was mostly it's pretty much all conventional weapons

00:46:37.920 javelin missiles and tanks and so on and so forth uh that has changed dramatically and at the beginning of

00:46:45.120 the year of 2023 when they first kind of rolled out chat gpt at the world economic forum you also had

00:46:52.080 alex carp ceo of palantir speaking there at the world economic forum and he talked about how palantir

00:46:59.280 had donated their software their target acquisition software and other systems to ukraine and openly said

00:47:08.400 that ukraine is a kind of laboratory for new military technologies since then palantir's stock 0.86

00:47:16.240 shares have skyrocketed their influence on the federal government and their involvement in various

00:47:21.920 federal programs from health care to the military to other sorts of uh efficiency projects uh is is

00:47:29.120 clear you also have you know palantir was co-founded by peter teal and one of peter teal's

00:47:36.640 protégies palmer lucky has a company and drill they're also partnering with ukraine for surveillance

00:47:44.480 they're working on new models of death drones and to lucky's credit he insists that humans should always

00:47:51.760 be in the loop but they're creating systems that are capable of autonomous decision making of killing

00:47:59.840 with no human oversight this is also uh you know it's not just this kind of right-wing tech circle you

00:48:07.360 also have the kind of liberal liberal left people like eric schmidt who founded white stork with the

00:48:13.360 explicit mission of creating drones for ukraine you have ai being employed in the israel palestine

00:48:22.640 conflict this is going to be a major issue and really the military aspect is the hardest to say

00:48:28.880 we don't need it if it works it works right now ukraine and israel is showing us whether or not it really

00:48:36.960 works and the the really the uh results are questionable but undoubtedly the intent is to infuse ai at every

00:48:44.880 level possible so so um records this is like the von schlieffen plan in world war one the the logistics plan and making sure it all came

00:48:57.600 together once it started you couldn't stop it the germans had a plan to how everything had to come

00:49:03.200 with the trains and the people and the weapons and the systems and the system took over from human

00:49:08.960 judgment this is why you started world war one it was so bloody in the first you know the guns of august

00:49:14.400 it was so bloody and it got out of human control because they had systems at the time built on railroad

00:49:19.360 schedules and efficiency and technology that overwhelmed human judgment at the time and the system was the

00:49:24.720 solution is that not exactly what's happening in ukraine right now it is a laboratory it's a 0.72

00:49:29.920 laboratory for these big weapons maker and look palmer lucky is as good a guy as you want to meet i mean

00:49:34.320 he's pure maga a really good guy he's the brother-in-law of matt gates ginger's his brother and palmer

00:49:40.480 lucky's heart's in the right place but is artificial intelligence in the in the target acquisition the

00:49:46.320 technology when ukraine if you believe alex jones and i do because he's very well sourced did a major

00:49:52.720 attack and almost assassinated putin the other day with an artificial intelligence driven drone attack

00:49:58.800 sir that's exactly right and the bunch leaf and plan was defeated by rain and french taxi cabs so

00:50:04.400 there's a there's this random element joe joe is exactly right about ukraine being a laboratory for

00:50:09.600 everything we're discussing but who's who's winning the experiment who's coming out on top in the

00:50:14.400 science so when we started shooting the heimar missiles they were hitting their targets and the

00:50:18.720 russians said okay their gps guided how do we jam the gps they figured that out on the fly meaning

00:50:23.520 in real combat conditions they defeated that system those systems are now worthless and obsolete but

00:50:28.640 that was something that was developed in combat during during the war itself that's going on the

00:50:33.680 arrestant missile which struck a target near the nepo river that uh it turned a large target set into

00:50:40.720 dust it didn't blow it up or it turned into dust with no explosives that was uh kinetic that was a hundred

00:50:47.360 percent kinetic at 10 000 miles per hour and it created basically turned the earth into the

00:50:52.800 equivalent of a tsunami so you had an earthbound earth-borne tsunami sine waves and just everything

00:50:58.560 literally turned to dust that's new so do we have that no we don't uh so uh yeah joe's right about the

00:51:04.400 laboratory aspect of it and that's probably true of a lot of wars but right now russia's not only winning

00:51:08.880 on the ground they're winning the science contest the blue ribbon because they're they're making much

00:51:13.760 greater advances which is not to deny the fact that a lot of u.s technology some of which is

00:51:18.320 you know how they classify it is going into the fight as well so a proxy war it kind of um understates

00:51:24.800 what's really going on i mean both sides are are fighting to the less ukrainian but they're they're

00:51:29.360 major advances uh and one of the things that's revealed is the utter weakness and hollowness of

00:51:34.480 nato it's a good thing uh putin doesn't want more than you know half ukraine because he could go to

00:51:39.360 the english channel and i think it's been borne out wow uh jim hang on for a second you're going to

00:51:45.760 hold over to the next hour i want to talk about the kill chain that's in money uh uh gpt uh jim

00:51:52.560 records uh records war room.com make sure you go there now the landing page you get access to

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00:52:10.960 intelligence make sure you go to records war room.com um the road to rio the rio reset jim

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00:52:22.000 right uh the road to rio the rio reset the bricks are fired up they're not going to replace the dollar

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Episode 4517： Rise Of AI And Decline Of The White Collar Job

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