Episode 4517： Rise Of AI And Decline Of The White Collar Job
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In this episode of Behind the Curtain, Alex Blumberg talks with the CEO of Axios, Dario Amade, about his warning that artificial intelligence (AI) is going to wipe out half of white-collar jobs in the next five years.
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a critical look at the future of artificial intelligence it's a pretty incredible piece
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it's entitled behind the curtain a white collar bloodbath um that is could be the result of ai
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well yeah and and you know jim people that run ai companies don't want to talk about it they
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want to pretend it's not going to happen silicon valley wants to pretend it's not going to happen
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wall street doesn't really want to talk about it but the fact is as you report just like the
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technological revolution the it revolution gutted blue-collar workers throughout the 90s and beyond
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you're now talking about a bloodbath for white-collar workers because of ai and from from
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what you've seen and what you're reporting on it is going to be a bloodbath uh for workers i mean
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that is certainly the warning of dario uh amade who is the ceo of anthropic and just for your
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viewers anthropic is one of the top creators of this ai these large language models in the world
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so he has better visibility than probably all but two or three people in the world into the power of
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this technology he'd been telling us in private for a while that this bloodbath could be coming
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but that lawmakers don't want to talk about it the federal government doesn't want to talk about it ai
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companies don't want to spook people we finally convinced him to go on the record and his point
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is like listen just play with this technology not just casually like once you really dive into it
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you realize it can do the work already of researchers of analysts of a whole host of
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entry-level white-collar jobs and he put it in the starkest of terms he said like based on
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their early analysis over a five-year period it could wipe out half of white-collar entry-level jobs
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unemployment could spike to 10 to 20 percent in the next five years and this is a guy who's
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building the technology who's boasting about the power of it and when we push them on then if you're
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building it like how do you morally uh kind of think about it in your own mind and he said i have
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an obligation to build the technology i also have an obligation to get the federal government to get
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lawmakers to get other ai companies to figure out how do we prepare the american worker and how do we
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protect uh the american worker and so you know as someone who runs a company i run axios uh as a ceo
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i spend an inordinate amount of time studying ai and how it's going to play out just in my space
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of media and i can guarantee you in the next five years it's going to radically transform
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the makeup of our company well every single company in the world is doing this every ceo
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is sitting there saying should i fill this role should i open this role will a machine do this better than
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man in the next couple of years when you see data out about the difficulty of college grads finding
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new jobs this is one of the early uh telltale signs that this could be coming in his mind i think
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it's sounding the alarm it's like listen we got to have a national debate that this isn't 10 years from
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now it could be six months from now it could be 12 months from now then there has to be a debate about
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okay how do you make sure that workers are prepared to use artificial intelligence to augment their work
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not displace their work that's what we've been doing at axios we give everybody access to the
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technology we have a deal with open ai we make sure that every single unit no matter what your job is
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is already playing with this to figure out how are you going to augment your work so you don't get
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displaced by it hell i told my own staff you're committing career suicide if you're not spending 10
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of your day experimenting with the technology and i don't think most people are i think people are like
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whoa this is too science fiction or uh you know it's a really neat search engine they're not actually
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looking at the capabilities they don't have the time they have real lives but i think dario's point
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was they might not wake up until it's way too late and if lawmakers are way too late to it you could
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have real issues you could have unemployment as he said 10 to 20 percent uh if he's right which would
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then lead to obvious political unrest we have steve bannon on the record in there saying he thinks the
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exact same thing is going to play out he said trump's not talking about it but he thinks this will be
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maybe the biggest topic of the 2028 presidential election hello hey guten tak and ola it's me or
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rather my ai avatar here to share clarna's q1 2025 highlights i mean you have steve you have steve bannon
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on the right you have other people on the left very concerned about this and uh jim underline you
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underlined a point that i've actually told my kids which is if you're going into an interview if you're if
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you're going uh into anything where where you are going to be talking and you want to understand a
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a topic it's just foolish not to go go on to a search engine app an ai search engine app and and
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dig in deep to try to understand a company that you're talking to or an issue that you're talking
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about better it's it is uh elizabeth it is the future the future is now and a lot of the spaces
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that we work in 10 years from now are going to look completely different because of ai and
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white collar workers across the country as jim said are going to be deeply impacted it's
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uh slop like total slop slop yes ai slop it's everywhere ai will not replace us ai will not replace us
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ai will not replace us i'm being replaced ai will not replace us i'm being replaced
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ai will not replace us i'm too valuable i'm too important ai will not replace us
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things are getting really heated here with tensions rising quickly between the protesters and the police
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we are replacing you no i'm being replaced i'm being replaced they will not replace us
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i don't for journalism i don't think that the machines are going to do the journalism per se
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but if you play with it at all you realize it's going to be a really good copy editor it's going to
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be a really good marketer it's going to be really good at doing research it's going to be really good
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at doing marketing it's going to be really good at taking any piece and maybe click creating eight
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different variations to send it out to all the other platforms and that's what i would encourage
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people to do is is play with it assuming that the hallucinations and the errors go away because there
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are times where it is truly magical truly magical and if that were to happen with a human level efficacy
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anybody running a company i'm telling you as someone who runs a company they're always going
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to choose automation because they're going to believe that over time it's going to make
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their company more profitable and it's going to create more jobs and that might be true and that
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often is true with technology that in the long arc it creates more jobs what's different here is
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this is a technology that could hit hard in the next six to 18 months and it's going to hit every
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single role potentially simultaneously and something that fast with that kind of breath could have a
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much bigger effect than almost any of the topics that they're debating on capitol hill and when you
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talk to members of congress it's alarming how little they know about this topic and how little and
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how uh how infrequently they talk to their constituents about it you're doing a disservice
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to the country if you're not starting to think through what does the world look like in 18 months to
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three years this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going
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medieval on these people i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people
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have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in
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the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like
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that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a
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conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country
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this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
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it's wednesday 28 may europe our lord 2025 okay uh this is the reason we brought in joe allen
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over four years ago to be our editor for all things artificial intelligence this is why he
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wrote the great book dark aeon um this is why he puts material up every day it's been with us
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working on another huge project for us right now today's show is packed uh mark mitchell we're going
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to come in and talk about uh some polling blow away polling for president trump uh of what we voted for
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jim rickerts kurt mills jack basobiec folks uh i hope you realize this we said president trump
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one of the first things he's going to do and put his shoulders to the wheel is to stop the
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kinetic part of the third world war it is we are getting sucked in moment by moment into a kinetic
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conflict uh on the eurasian landmass uh in ukraine and uh part of this is driven by wait for it
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artificial intelligence and advanced technology we're going to have a a terrific group to walk through
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that i've got joe allen so joe this is one aspect of artificial intelligence that we have to get in
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front of and the war and posse is as you know is so up to date on this because we talk about this all
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the time we brought you and you've done more than a magnificent job but when they talk and they because
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it's the situation of control technology being used for military aspects uh this uh this uh technology
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which could have and may have tremendous upside for man but it's got uh such unlimited dark side and
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downside that it has to be reviewed thought through until you know this thing spins out of control one
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on the um on the employment that i've been hammering on for now for a couple of years just in the last few
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days semaphore ben smith's operation semaphore did an amazing interview with cognizant ceo in the
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buried lead which was not in the headline he said today 20 and they're one of the biggest of these
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it companies he said hey 22 percent of all our coding today is done by artificial intelligence he
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said within the next 12 months at least 50 percent and going to essentially he said i i think he implied
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75 to 80 percent of all coding you will have coding managers but the coding be done for artificial
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intelligence um microsoft the other day i think laid off what 3 000 people announced the 3 000 layoff
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30 because of ai ibm yesterday or two days ago announced 8 000 people out of their human resources
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department implied that it was 100 because of artificial intelligence this is just not on coding entry
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level and kind of all the way up to mid-level administrative managerial and tech jobs are going to get
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eviscerated because the model that wall street's looking at right now with all this infusion of
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capital is an efficiency model it's not about greater productivity and greater creativity that
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may come later right now this is they're getting rid of bodies okay to be blunt because they want to
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drive up uh earnings they want higher operating margins we have to face this because once it's here
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and they said something there that's very important peter navarro put an amazing piece in the hill
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brat and i are going to break it all down at six o'clock tonight that really got into the theory
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of the case we're talking about of um of what is really in this bill of of tariffs and and and and
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and what the supply side tax are going to do and he makes a very compelling case on the upside
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which i support however in this in this van der hey piece which everybody has to read and grace we
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got to put out you need to read the axios piece today they're talking about hey because of artificial
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intelligence and some of what trump's doing you could have ten percent growth uh but you also
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may have ten to twenty percent unemployment particularly of people under 30 and the
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pressure we have on these people under 30 is great enough right now uh joe you were able to splice in
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a couple other shocking artificial intelligence parts into the cold open explain uh take a crack
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we got a couple minutes you're going to be here for a couple of segments in fact you're going to hang
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over for the military aspect too talk to me about the van der hey uh axios piece because axios is the
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consensus kind of the cutting edge ahead of the game consensus of washington dc and of course it
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premiered this morning on morning joe your thoughts sir i think the most shocking thing about that entire
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interview is van der hey openly saying that axios is incorporating ai into all aspects of their
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business or as many are as possible and that their writers and that their editors and proofreaders
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and uh the copywriters content creators will basically be forced to augment themselves with ai
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there are two reasons this is bothersome one this is the main message coming out of silicon valley
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this is the main message coming out of the world economic forum the idea of the fourth industrial
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revolution is that you won't be able to get by without fusing your physical your digital and
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biological identities basically as a writer as an editor as a graphic artist if you do not make ai a
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component of your personality of your profession you will get left behind cyborg eyes or die the the
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second thing though that's really bothersome he mentioned the hallucinations but the hallucination
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problem problem in ai has only gotten worse as the systems get bigger and more sophisticated the one
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that nobody really knows why but one of the reasons most likely is that the freedom that is allowed the
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degrees of freedom allowed with ai basically mean that the ai is free to lie to you to make things
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up uh now these are the kinds of uh criticisms you have to keep in mind about the powers of ai but those
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videos that you just saw both uh the clarina ceo and also the protesters that the visuals were entirely
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generated by ai if we had shown you the cutting edge of ai video generation three years ago which we
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did if you go back and look they are clunky they are warped this is a whole new level yeah
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hang on for one second we'll take a break maybe we'll come back with that
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we have to get ahead of this war and posse's got to do this or we're going to have mass
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it's a slop like total slop yes a.i.slop it's everywhere a.i.will not replace us a.i.will not
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replace us a.i.will not replace us a.i.will not replace us i'm being replaced a.i.will not replace us i'm
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being replaced a.i.will not what what i want to do i see that that's great that's part of it but i
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also want to go back and we can load the beginning of that uh clip which is even i think more disturbing
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with the crowd shots and everything like that so if tell me when we uh denver tell me when we got that
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loaded um three things are happening today and folks to connect the dots are all driven by artificial
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intelligence number one uh the ukraine this ukraine war the targeting in ukraine and we're getting
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sucked in this uh the uh ukrainians had a massive attack drone attack into moscow last night alex
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jones is is got this great video of him like going on a rant for five minutes saying the russian uh
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attack over the weekend was pretty brutal is in response to a drone attack on uh trying to
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assassinate putin he's got some pretty good details he's very dialed in when you talk
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about drones that's the only protect they're all all the fire control solutions are coming from
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artificial intelligence so so we're being sucked in mark this down we are with all of president
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trump's efforts we are moment by moment being sucked into a kinetic part of a third world war
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in ukraine number two elon musk is a very you know i think unacceptable and unnecessary interview
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with cbs this weekend is breaking really critical president trump but the whole issue is doge and
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artificial intelligence what did they actually find what was it good for and i talked to a lot
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of people in the administration what's happened that's all about artificial intelligence or a lot
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of it is and then third you've got this issue now coming up as you're starting to have these earning
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reports and these tech companies and some of these big corporations are kind of burying
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down bur burying down in in like the 50th paragraph of the earnings report oh yeah we're about to let
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go 5 000 or 10 000 people and they either say outright it's about artificial intelligence or
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because they don't want to be they imply it's because of artificial intelligence so this is
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every day metastasizing and if you just wanted to metastasize and hey we'll see what happens and
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the devil catches the hindmost then fine just sit back and accept it if you want to say yo uh we can't
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let technology be our master and that's what's happening here joe uh alan your thoughts sir
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yeah this is going to be very difficult to master uh let's just assume that these technologies
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remain as flawed as they are right now we know that the people creating them and we know you hear it
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there on morning joe with the axios editor that corporations across america and across the world
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are intent on incorporating ai and in the blue collar level robotics at every level anywhere possible
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to make it more efficient they will replace human beings this is being incorporated in education with ai
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teachers this is being incorporated in medicine you have dr oz talking about that physicians who do not
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consult ai in the near future will be considered negligent this is being incorporated in the government
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you see it with doge clearing the way for ai to be used to employ or to basically replace government
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employees or force government employees to use it to become quote unquote more productive and then of
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course in the military uh ai is being heralded as the key to geopolitical power in the future but
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let's imagine they remain this flawed then that means basically we are intentionally willfully
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crippling ourselves with flawed technologies that do have some aspects of superiority as far as data
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gathering and analysis but ultimately are rife with hallucinations and other sorts of glitches or
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let's imagine that they are these technologies are refined to the point that elon musk believes they
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will be that sam altman believes they will be that dario armaday at anthropic believes they will be
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well then that means these hyper effective hyper efficient machines will first forcefully augment human
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workers who are basically cornered and have to adopt them and then replace first coders and then most
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white collar jobs and then most blue collar jobs with robotics if it goes the way they plan it is
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total replacement hang hang on hang over a second i want to get to that so blue collar are skilled
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artisans you're in and even the robotics in the factory are not the first wave i just sent to as even
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as we speak the great dave ramaswamy sent me mckinsey uh which is the premier consulting firm throughout the
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world is going to shed 10 of their worldwide staff and the implication here is that most of that is
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driven by artificial intelligence 10 of the consultant of the administrative lower level managerial and
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lower level consulting uh at mckinsey and that's just the first cut right go back hit this again uh and
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then i'll play the altman uh fetterman clip hit it again that um um this process of what's going to
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happen is going to eat through and burn through because it's an efficiency model all these guys
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are putting this out in their earnings report because they want to show wall street that hey
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we get it the first use of artificial intelligence is not to make things better and more productive
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that's all going to come later their first and they'll talk about that but the first
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model they're doing is is efficiency let's get rid of the humans right particularly uh on the
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managerial side and administrative side and technological side people that don't have advanced
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skills right uh so they're not like top level surgeons they're more of the of the people you go
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into augment the your local general practitioner he's got an ai robot that takes the place of five or
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six people on staff on the media side i know this talking our show is very different it kind of
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you know i think it up with the the production staff we get our experts on we see what's what we
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think is is driving the narrative and what's important but other staffs if you know they're
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they're all reading off a screen they're all have they have writers staffs of writers staffs of
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producers staffs of researchers one person talked to me yesterday they have a 30 person staff to put
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up a couple hour show uh they have done an analysis about artificial intelligence they can actually do
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their show today without the camera producers and those guys they still keep those but on the creative
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side of a 30 person staff joe they would keep three people they would get rid of 27 people if
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they they're they're not going to do that but they said and but they're going to take a chunk they're
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probably going to let a third of the people go here this year so walk me through the the uh the
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progression plan in here and how artificial intelligence is basically going to replace the
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human in white collar jobs you know these these predictions have to be taken with a grain of
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salt to some extent because they're all over the map as far as the exact numbers just for instance
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we were talking about this morning a dario amaday of anthropic who van der haye was referencing told
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two months ago told the council on foreign relations that within three to six months all coding or 90
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of coding would be done by ai that was two months ago and he said that within a year is possible that all
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coding will be done by ai 100 so that would be 10 months from now this gives us a good gauge as to
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how accurate these predictions are because we'll find out very very soon how accurately dario amaday
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predicted this wipe out of jobs but one thing is clear whether it is 90 or whether it is 100 or whether
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it's 40 this is major and whether the the models hallucinate 30 of the time or 10 of the time or 50 of
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the time they want to incorporate them anyway so kind of the the cascade begins ironically enough
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in silicon valley with the coders it moves outward to script writers to content creators to editors
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proofreaders to graphic artists to video generation creative jobs that are being eaten up by ai slop even if
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it is slop it's the slop that the managers and the owners and the board members want from there you have
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kind of mid-level jobs white collar jobs you've got paralegals receptionists customer service bank
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tellers on and on and on you also have in medicine radiologists and people who have to look at you
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know for details in scans but i don't know about the blue collar everybody thought blue collar would be the
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first that is definitely not happening what we do see for sure are rapid advances in manufacturing
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automation so these are kind of alien-like arms and whatnot that are working on cars or any other
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electronics products but you also have the rapid development now of humanoid robots this is on down
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the road but if they can perfect something like a humanoid then you're talking about wiping out most blue
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collar jobs the real important point here is though steve these people want this they're telling us that this
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greater replacement is for our own good so we're supposed to sit around on ubi and entertain ourselves
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with ai slop i don't think that's an acceptable future
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um real quickly you got a minute before i go to break uh talk to me about the the controversy of the
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humanoid robot robot inside technology and artificial intelligence there is a debate right now of do you
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you make the humanoid robot look human or is that going to freak out humans too much particularly in
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the first wave should we make it look like something else so it's not it doesn't freak people out that
00:26:48.960
they actually are being replaced by something that looks just like them but happens to be a digital
00:26:54.560
machine sir you know i think they'll go both ways if you look at the amazon fulfillment centers with
00:27:00.880
their little humanoid robot digit it looks like something kind of ridiculous like a cartoon something out of
00:27:06.160
star wars if you look at optimus it looks like something that will strangle you in your bed at
00:27:10.880
night as you sleep uh but then you have and this is you know kind of crass but you have people who look
00:27:17.360
to these robots for erotic purposes and i think that's probably where you're going to see the kind of
00:27:23.200
companionship bots that's where you're going to see people start to accept these strange almost human
00:27:29.840
silicone-faced robots as companions and romantic partners and so on and so forth it'll be varied
00:27:37.840
but i think that it's going to be it's happening now some people will accept it maybe most
00:27:45.920
hang over for a second we're getting more into this particularly the ukraine part of this war
00:27:50.480
with these drones and artificial intelligence fire control solutions uh
00:27:55.840
dave brad's going to join me at six peter navarro's got an incredible piece up in the hill
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i'm extremely concerned about my fluids ai doesn't have any fluids ai is not logical
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i don't believe ai can replicate true human creativity it can't piss in the toilet yeah or
00:30:19.520
menstruate yeah or and ejaculate ejaculate it can't do dishes it can't walk the dog it's just
00:30:35.440
slop by the way that's all that's that's all artificial intelligence right there uh i've got
00:30:41.360
records on uh so jim we've been talking about mckinsey just announced letting go ten percent of
00:30:45.520
the workforce about this really incredible piece uh by uh vander hay and mike allen over at axios
00:30:52.240
and it was on morning joe this morning about this uh quite frankly a white collar job apocalypse is
00:30:58.880
coming i've got you on the morning this morning for geopolitics and all this and how we're getting
00:31:03.280
sucked in i think more and more to the kinetic war in ukraine and around that kind of arc of
00:31:09.280
instability prince one of the big reasons is artificial intelligence and particularly
00:31:14.320
sophistication of artificial intelligence in drone warfare and fire control solutions so first off
00:31:20.000
your overall assessment of and wall street looks like it's on an efficiency model you know mckinsey
00:31:25.680
once announced ten percent layoffs cognizant saying that fifty percent of their coders are gone
00:31:30.960
in within 12 months uh your thoughts on both the employment part of this this coming apocalypse
00:31:37.040
and i want to get into ukraine and and it really looks like uncertainty among american policy because
00:31:42.800
lindsey graham and the in the war hawks are banging the drum that hey we're going all in
00:31:48.160
jim rickerts thank you for joining us this morning the war room yep thanks uh well you're absolutely
00:31:53.760
right about the job replacement aspect of ai there's a lot more to it and i i know this is not book tv but
00:31:59.360
my new book money gpt is all about ai as applied to capital markets but also there's a chapter of nuclear
00:32:05.680
war fighting uh annie jacobson had a great book called nuclear war she doesn't really talk about ai
00:32:10.480
but uh that there's there's never been a better book about what a nuclear war would look like what
00:32:15.680
i do in one of my chapters i inject ai into the kill chain and show how that could make nuclear war
00:32:21.200
more likely uh so uh there's a lot there's a lot to it but the job thing yeah i just uh you know just
00:32:26.640
for personal reasons i've been spending a little time in the hospital lately and the the nurses and
00:32:30.800
the nurse practitioners they have this little uh pause it looks like a little microphone they wear and
00:32:35.520
it's all ai i mean they're real but something says uh you know nurse in room 30 please check in
00:32:41.200
and you do they do and they get instructions go to room 25 whatever that's all i i can hear it i know
00:32:47.200
it's a robotic voice uh there used to be somebody who did that you know somebody who sat there like
00:32:51.200
a dispatcher and tried to move the nurses around so it's everywhere um that's going to continue now
00:32:57.200
the question is where where does it go and what are the what's the significance of it you were talking
00:33:01.520
about um creatives uh you know tv writers basically or people who who are creative for shows i've taken
00:33:08.240
a number of tests where you get two samples one's ai generated one's written by you know the human
00:33:13.360
and uh but both anonymous can you spot it i can spot the ai in like a sentence or maybe two but it's
00:33:20.480
pretty easy now can ai produce grammatical uh english or you know other languages you know just say
00:33:26.880
english can it write a script can it write a book yes it can but is it any good and what what it
00:33:32.560
cannot do there's something this is i had to get too geeky but there's something called the law of
00:33:35.760
conservation of information in the search world and what it says is that no matter how much speed
00:33:41.600
you have no matter how much ai you have it will never find anything new it can find it faster it can
00:33:47.360
find the places you wouldn't look it can find connections that humans uh would take you know decades
00:33:52.640
if ever to discover so i'm not saying it's not valuable but it doesn't come up with anything new
00:33:57.440
you can i can our viewers can we can come up with a new idea and you know in the next 30 seconds but
00:34:02.800
ai cannot it can only find stuff so now you've got this world where we're going to substitute ai for
00:34:07.840
humans but you're losing the creativity and then you've got zuckerberg and others saying what's the
00:34:12.720
big deal we'll just give everybody a check that's guaranteed basic income or it goes by a couple
00:34:17.360
different names uh but yeah put everyone on a on a government payroll uh let them eat doritos watch
00:34:23.040
tv and let a handful of people around the world that's that's what they're getting at they they
00:34:26.880
won't get there and i explain why in my book um it has to do with the the lack of common sense but
00:34:34.960
the dangers along the way like yeah this is efficient i just got rid of you know 10 of my workforce
00:34:40.160
that's happening it's going to continue to happen but we're we're counting the we're counting the
00:34:45.760
pennies from those savings and we're ignoring the dangers which are the ones i refer to which is
00:34:50.320
it doesn't have common sense it doesn't have empathy you actually can't program that you cannot
00:34:55.280
program common sense but take it out of the equation of decision making and you get disaster
00:35:00.560
but but sometimes but sometimes it overwhelms common sense let's go to your kill chain theory
00:35:05.360
and by the way if you go to recordswarroom.com the landing page you get access access to strategic
00:35:12.640
intelligence this is a c-suite read if you want to see what chairman and ceos decision makers
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throughout the world are reading and incorporating the decision maker this is what jim gives you access
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to so you got the war room you got records uh strategic intelligence you're loaded for bear he
00:35:29.760
also throws in the book uh money gpt which i told you hey it's you read it you're not going to be
00:35:35.600
sleeping on the first night after you read it part of it is that nuclear talk to me about the kill
00:35:40.320
chain my concern now is in ukraine you see an escalation and it's not troops and trenches right
00:35:47.200
now they're not fighting for strategic hamlets you've got an air war going on that is as sophisticated
00:35:52.160
an air war as you've ever seen with these drones and if you believe alex jones and i do the response
00:35:57.840
of the ukrainians is coming or the russians that's kind of escalated this is coming off a very sophisticated
00:36:02.640
attack to try to take down putin and this is all driven by artificial intelligence this could not
00:36:08.800
happen unless you had artificial intelligence is that leading us into really a shooting war where
00:36:14.720
we're going to be an active participant uh jim records uh yes there's no doubt that that's uh from uh
00:36:21.360
you know macron uh starmer emerged in germany um you know the eu such as they are uh zelensky himself
00:36:29.840
uh warmongers and and the us lindsey led by lindsey graham but with a lot of support a lot of other
00:36:34.720
people in there and candidly mike waltz who you know was kind of out as national security advisor
00:36:39.280
but some of those people were in the white house uh that that's what they wanted all along and you
00:36:44.560
know this uh we're going to have uh we're going to have a ceasefire and then we're going to send
00:36:48.080
troops in to enforce the ceasefire well first of all the ceasefire is a fraud the west has lied
00:36:52.640
about every engagement with putin you can't blame putin for not trusting the west for not signing
00:36:56.880
up to a ceasefire minsk one was a lie angela merkel said so i mean that's not just my speculation
00:37:01.520
after the fact she said we never intended to abide by that minstu same thing um cia and mi6 and uh
00:37:08.080
victoria newland running the uh coup in 2014 then putin takes crimea it's like then they uh then they
00:37:15.840
continue to attack the russian-speaking population in eastern ukraine putin launches a special military
00:37:21.120
operation same thing in georgia in 2008 so what what part of invasion do you not understand you keep
00:37:26.160
pushing putin and by the way steve uh in the past week you know last couple days actually new york
00:37:30.800
times and the other kind of deep state outlets where you know uh russia launches greatest you
00:37:36.320
know attack most drones most targets most explosives etc on ukraine which is true by the way but what
00:37:42.400
they left out was that that was in retaliation to a large ukrainian attack in the days before deep
00:37:48.480
inside russia and just quick footnote mertz i don't know you're not that powerful actually chancellor
00:37:53.680
of germany okayed the use of uh western weapons and german weapons to strike deeper you know basically
00:37:59.680
moscow uh deeper inside russia they did try to to kill putin he was visiting kurs which is part of
00:38:06.000
the russian federation that but but but but but but hang over a second but mertz we're gonna have
00:38:11.680
harnwell on here because i have harnwell do the research mertz implied that the americans it was
00:38:16.720
it was uh france the united kingdom and germany and the united states the big four in nato he implied
00:38:23.360
i think he lied i haven't seen anything out of the white house i haven't seen any advisors saying that
00:38:27.200
we've had ben kind of search and tammy bruce uh our our dear friend who's over at the state department
00:38:33.760
wouldn't confirm or deny yesterday when when confronted by reporters so this is my point
00:38:39.120
about sucking the united states in do you believe that we've authorized the use of those weapons to
00:38:44.640
do deep strikes into into russia sir yes either explicitly or implicitly what i mean by that is
00:38:51.680
if they're talking about it and they're starting to do it the us is on board let me put it differently
00:38:55.520
steve if the us didn't want that to happen it wouldn't happen so if it's happening and i believe
00:39:01.200
it is then the us is green lighted it one way or another um but yeah whether it's money uh weapons
00:39:07.440
uh deeper strikes inside russia um you know the use of drones you're absolutely right about
00:39:11.920
artificial intelligence ukraine doesn't have that kind of artificial intelligence ukraine doesn't have
00:39:17.360
the satellite surveillance they don't have the computers they don't have the targeting ability that's
00:39:21.200
all this has been revealed i mean it's not you know uh you know a surprise um it's all being
00:39:26.720
supplied by the united states in west germany et cetera um and it's all designed to put pressure on
00:39:31.920
putin but i i don't know what happened to the western ability to understand russia and putin they
00:39:36.800
don't i mean a couple things about putin i'll just i'll tell you he does not bluff if he says he's
00:39:41.200
doing something he'll do it if he says he's going to do something he'll do it he does not bluff
00:39:44.880
this idea that putin's bluffing let's call his bluff that's a short a short path to world war
00:39:49.520
three uh number two they're not going to agree to a ceasefire why should they they're winning
00:39:54.880
the side that's winning doesn't do a ceasefire they keep going you want a ceasefire okay surrender
00:39:59.520
or agree to our terms yes then you'll get your ceasefire but not because you say so and by the way
00:40:04.720
ukraine has lied about everything if you had a ceasefire they're not going to but if they did
00:40:08.880
ukraine would use it to build up more weapons try to suck u.s troops i mean u.s troops are already there
00:40:14.000
in um you know not non-uniformed intelligence assets um you know paramilitaries etc that's
00:40:20.000
that's always been true but yeah they they want they want u.s boots on the ground because the
00:40:24.560
minute you kill one american in uniform in ukraine now there's no there's no backing down you know
00:40:30.000
you gotta you know you do have world war three i would say we're already there see we're this is
00:40:33.920
a war between russia and the united states it's what biden wanted it's what um blinken and jake
00:40:40.080
sullivan and victoria newland and now lindsey graham that's what they want they got it
00:40:43.760
okay nice going but uh the question for trump is but hang but hang but hang but hang but hang on
00:40:49.120
jim you're making my head blow up president trump specifically ran and he's an advocate of peace
00:40:54.800
through strength the last his as we keep talking about the verticals his number one vertical that he
00:41:00.240
led with is is is is laying down our guns our weapons and getting some sort of at least ceasefires
00:41:07.840
to stop the kinetic part of the third world war in in uh in ukraine and in israel gaza in this whole
00:41:14.960
conflict with persia and in the red sea isn't that his number one priority how do you what is it that
00:41:21.280
is drawing us inexorably into this war what what is it the deep state is it the is it the the arms
00:41:28.320
makers i mean joe allen will come in here and he'll talk about palantir and uh and all these you know
00:41:33.760
palmer lucky's company all these companies using artificial intelligence and advanced technology
00:41:38.160
that are selling you know unlimited weapons i mean palmer's business plan is saying hey uh i i'm i'm
00:41:45.040
creating the gun shop for the world right that the pentagon's underwriting but also everybody's
00:41:50.000
profiting from is what is inexorably drawing this is like world war one where nobody could figure out
00:41:55.280
how we got into this mess until there were hundreds of thousands of people dead and then the vengeance
00:42:00.800
and the acrimony take over and you can't stop we've separated ourselves from that are we being
00:42:06.800
sucked in now by the deep state sir yes and uh you point out world war one is well taken i've read
00:42:13.280
picked up several like 600 page books on world war one i can never finish any of them because i'm like
00:42:18.560
i don't get it like yeah 20 million people were killed but why you can never get to the why uh world
00:42:24.800
world war ii is different um uh yet no it's absolutely being sucked in and uh you know trump
00:42:30.560
could end the war tomorrow with a phone call and basically you have to agree to putin's terms but
00:42:35.360
what's so bad about that because he won the war you know you should have you should have thought of
00:42:39.360
that in 2014 uh when you provoked the war and and uh and after the coup so um yeah and by the way on
00:42:46.320
the arms manufacturer steve here here's how you know this here's how it works we said we spent 200
00:42:50.880
billion dollars on ukraine well we did but the way we spent it was giving money to our own arms
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manufacturers to build new stuff and we sent ukraine the surplus the you know the high modern missiles
00:43:01.520
didn't work the russians jammed the gps bradley fighting vehicles left burning on the ground the
00:43:05.520
aprons tanks didn't work they they were blown up you know by mines and you know drones etc the kind
00:43:10.240
of thing you're talking about um the f-16 why do you not hear about f-16s it took three years to get
00:43:14.560
f-16s you don't hear about them because they get shot down by the uh the s-400s so that was all
00:43:19.920
surplus stuff that was all out-of-date stuff some of it from the 80s and then we built
00:43:24.000
jim jim jim jim hang on hang hang over a second you're gonna stick with us for a while we got
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uh welcome back joe allen uh you have some thoughts uh about this uh artificial intelligence and
00:45:30.160
integration into advanced military systems i think we're being exact inexorably drawn
00:45:35.680
and it's part of it's the deep state countering president trump what president trump wants to do
00:45:40.000
and you can see in this polling in in south carolina with lindsey graham which he's deeply underwater
00:45:45.280
a big part of this is maga that says no we do not want to be sucked into any more war or the wars
00:45:50.880
between israel persia or ukraine and russia we don't want to be sucked into this uh if we do if we go in
00:45:56.960
it all wants to be we want to make a conscious decision but right now we're getting dragged into
00:46:02.240
this thing part of the reason i think is what rickard just said these are not ukrainian weapons and
00:46:08.080
their weapon systems and they're not western europe weapon systems they're american weapon systems
00:46:13.040
particularly the artificial intelligence and drone part of it joe allen steve i think back to
00:46:20.000
when the invasion first unfolded and i was in dc with you in the studio and you said what is the
00:46:27.040
you asked me what is the artificial intelligence angle on this surely that is going to be the most
00:46:32.000
important part of this war at the time it was mostly it's pretty much all conventional weapons
00:46:37.920
javelin missiles and tanks and so on and so forth uh that has changed dramatically and at the beginning of
00:46:45.120
the year of 2023 when they first kind of rolled out chat gpt at the world economic forum you also had
00:46:52.080
alex carp ceo of palantir speaking there at the world economic forum and he talked about how palantir
00:46:59.280
had donated their software their target acquisition software and other systems to ukraine and openly said
00:47:08.400
that ukraine is a kind of laboratory for new military technologies since then palantir's stock
00:47:16.240
shares have skyrocketed their influence on the federal government and their involvement in various
00:47:21.920
federal programs from health care to the military to other sorts of uh efficiency projects uh is is
00:47:29.120
clear you also have you know palantir was co-founded by peter teal and one of peter teal's
00:47:36.640
protégies palmer lucky has a company and drill they're also partnering with ukraine for surveillance
00:47:44.480
they're working on new models of death drones and to lucky's credit he insists that humans should always
00:47:51.760
be in the loop but they're creating systems that are capable of autonomous decision making of killing
00:47:59.840
with no human oversight this is also uh you know it's not just this kind of right-wing tech circle you
00:48:07.360
also have the kind of liberal liberal left people like eric schmidt who founded white stork with the
00:48:13.360
explicit mission of creating drones for ukraine you have ai being employed in the israel palestine
00:48:22.640
conflict this is going to be a major issue and really the military aspect is the hardest to say
00:48:28.880
we don't need it if it works it works right now ukraine and israel is showing us whether or not it really
00:48:36.960
works and the the really the uh results are questionable but undoubtedly the intent is to infuse ai at every
00:48:44.880
level possible so so um records this is like the von schlieffen plan in world war one the the logistics plan and making sure it all came
00:48:57.600
together once it started you couldn't stop it the germans had a plan to how everything had to come
00:49:03.200
with the trains and the people and the weapons and the systems and the system took over from human
00:49:08.960
judgment this is why you started world war one it was so bloody in the first you know the guns of august
00:49:14.400
it was so bloody and it got out of human control because they had systems at the time built on railroad
00:49:19.360
schedules and efficiency and technology that overwhelmed human judgment at the time and the system was the
00:49:24.720
solution is that not exactly what's happening in ukraine right now it is a laboratory it's a
00:49:29.920
laboratory for these big weapons maker and look palmer lucky is as good a guy as you want to meet i mean
00:49:34.320
he's pure maga a really good guy he's the brother-in-law of matt gates ginger's his brother and palmer
00:49:40.480
lucky's heart's in the right place but is artificial intelligence in the in the target acquisition the
00:49:46.320
technology when ukraine if you believe alex jones and i do because he's very well sourced did a major
00:49:52.720
attack and almost assassinated putin the other day with an artificial intelligence driven drone attack
00:49:58.800
sir that's exactly right and the bunch leaf and plan was defeated by rain and french taxi cabs so
00:50:04.400
there's a there's this random element joe joe is exactly right about ukraine being a laboratory for
00:50:09.600
everything we're discussing but who's who's winning the experiment who's coming out on top in the
00:50:14.400
science so when we started shooting the heimar missiles they were hitting their targets and the
00:50:18.720
russians said okay their gps guided how do we jam the gps they figured that out on the fly meaning
00:50:23.520
in real combat conditions they defeated that system those systems are now worthless and obsolete but
00:50:28.640
that was something that was developed in combat during during the war itself that's going on the
00:50:33.680
arrestant missile which struck a target near the nepo river that uh it turned a large target set into
00:50:40.720
dust it didn't blow it up or it turned into dust with no explosives that was uh kinetic that was a hundred
00:50:47.360
percent kinetic at 10 000 miles per hour and it created basically turned the earth into the
00:50:52.800
equivalent of a tsunami so you had an earthbound earth-borne tsunami sine waves and just everything
00:50:58.560
literally turned to dust that's new so do we have that no we don't uh so uh yeah joe's right about the
00:51:04.400
laboratory aspect of it and that's probably true of a lot of wars but right now russia's not only winning
00:51:08.880
on the ground they're winning the science contest the blue ribbon because they're they're making much
00:51:13.760
greater advances which is not to deny the fact that a lot of u.s technology some of which is
00:51:18.320
you know how they classify it is going into the fight as well so a proxy war it kind of um understates
00:51:24.800
what's really going on i mean both sides are are fighting to the less ukrainian but they're they're
00:51:29.360
major advances uh and one of the things that's revealed is the utter weakness and hollowness of
00:51:34.480
nato it's a good thing uh putin doesn't want more than you know half ukraine because he could go to
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the english channel and i think it's been borne out wow uh jim hang on for a second you're going to
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hold over to the next hour i want to talk about the kill chain that's in money uh uh gpt uh jim
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records uh records war room.com make sure you go there now the landing page you get access to
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is also going to talk about fort knox how come we're not there looking we're in the hell our gold is
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