Episode 4519： Visa Warfare： When Will Republicans Fight Back
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On this episode of The War Room, host Stephen K.K. Vann and co-host Natalie Winters discuss the recent pardon of disgraced ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio, as well as the growing scandal surrounding Joe Biden's mental health.
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Well, here you have somebody who took over $75,000 to give badges and official status
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to business people so they could flash the badge, get out of traffic stops,
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get out of other tight situations. Jen, it's not just the people involved in this incident. We
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have him on tape. You played the tape. It is a classic example of corruption. So what stood out
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to me is a White House embracing corruption. What do you expect from a president who himself
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has been convicted 34 times, who issued a blanket pardon to those who assaulted law enforcement?
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This is an insult to law enforcement who secured the evidence in this case. It's an insult to the
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jury that convicted the sheriff. And it's an insult to all Americans. And it comes on top of so much
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other corruption with the Qatari plane and the $2 billion UAE backed investment in Trump's crypto
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business and selling access to Trump at the dinner. Some other pardons that are also involved
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with issues of selling access like that crypto dinner. So there's a pattern here. When people
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do this stuff, it comes at the expense of the American people. And I don't think they're going
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to tolerate it. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because
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we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot all these networks lying about the
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people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know
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you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's
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going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA media. I wish
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in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task
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and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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War Room. It's Natalie Winters hosting today, May 28th in the year of our Lord, 2025.
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Always love the hot takes from Norm Eisen. I guess my only question is, I wonder how
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your future prison inmates are going to like being talked down in that horrible tone that you always
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like to bless us with on MSNBC. Of course, what are they talking about? All things. Joe Biden,
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corruption, President Trump. Here's the thing, and we're going to link it to what is, I think,
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probably on everyone's minds right now, especially here in the War Room Posse, right? Codifying
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the doge cuts, eliminating the waste, the fraud, and the abuse, all of the above, and then some.
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Um, the whole idea, right, the whole conversation that we're having right now about Joe Biden's
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health, right? It's the limited hangout version. I'm not even going to say the names of the two
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people who apparently are on every mainstream outlet ever talking about their book, Original Sin,
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which really should be published as an autobiography, or I guess it's missing my original sin or our
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original sin. It's not your original sin. I don't know about you guys, probably your old tweets and
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Facebook posts. You could probably self-publish a book about Joe Biden's mental health decline
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and the stolen election. Not Jake Tapper. Oops, I guess I said his name, but you probably knew who
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I was talking about. But I think we have to have the uncomfortable conversation because what is
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playing out in real time right now when it comes to the refusal to codify these Republic-saving
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doge cuts, it's not about Joe Biden's health or the fact that they lied to us about how Joe Biden
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was out to lunch, or I believe, as I told a CNN reporter, was, quote, essentially dead. And that's
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a quote that I think aged fairly well in light of recent events. But it's that they liked having a
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president who was not there mentally. Because to them, that's how you perpetuate and continue the
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status quo. And if there's anything we've seen on full display right now coming primarily from
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congressional Republicans, it is an undying, frankly, insatiable appetite to continue the
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status quo, right? You see it in the way that they're apoplectic over the unitary executive
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theory, right? That's a new slur in Washington, D.C. Well, they have their own version of the unitary
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executive theory. And that's called the administrative state, the deep state, the permanent political class,
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the in-your-face state. And it's not a theory. It's very real. And it's codified. And it's the
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opposition that this show, frankly, everything that the wonderful Stephen K. Bannon has dedicated
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his life to, was created to be the foil or the antithesis to. And now what? We've passed Memorial
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Day. How many of these cuts have been codified? The only thing really keeping the whole doge thing
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afloat is that they made so many cuts at VA. That's what's the VA. That's what's sustaining any of their
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numbers that they have to brag about. And it's still only just a little north of a few of a hundred
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thousand. Right? The status quo, the business that they are fighting to keep perpetuating here,
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just a stone's throw away from where I am, is the business of screwing you over and take your pick,
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whether it's immigration policy, trade policy, trade deals, Ukraine aid, the forever wars,
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the PRC, take your pick on whatever threat they like to get you all gassed up and lit up over and then
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do absolutely nothing. Right? We're engaged in trench warfare, digging out the deep state every single
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day. And the best we can get from our elected betters is maybe tweet warfare. And frankly, half the
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tweets that the House GOP account puts out are so laughable, I almost want to become, I don't even know,
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a Democrat when they're tweeting, Americans need to get off the sidelines. Or if they say, we need to fight
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to hold these people and make them accountable for what they did. Yeah, you guys are the ones with
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the power. So do something about it. There's all this discussion about real masculinity. Well, I don't
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think real masculinity is sitting on the sidelines and tweeting about a country that's being invaded
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and overtaken by a bunch of, what, 10 plus, 20 plus illegal aliens. Right? All these stupid committees,
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all the people that took the selfies with Elon, the Doge committee. Where are all those people?
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They're on Kodal trips to Ukraine. And now they're tweeting in defense of inflating spending bills.
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It makes no sense. And frankly, if you really want to get to the heart of it, just like this idea
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of they want to limit the conversation about what Joe Biden was doing to the idea that, oh, it was the
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media that lied to us. No, Joe Biden was sick and blah, blah, blah. No, they liked having a president
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who was essentially dead asleep at the wheel because they could implement their agenda and ram it
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through. The idea that there was one person who was controlling the puppet strings, that's called
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the swamp. That's why this show exists. And that's why they hate having new media, because it's people
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like you who've been able to adjust and shift the goalposts of what actual accountability looks like.
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And we no longer have to play through the controlled opposition paradigm of Fox News,
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the left wing media or congressional Republicans and think that accountability is found in tweets
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and strongly worded letters and stupid committees and stupid speeches. No, it's found in prison
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sentences and criminal investigations, not crappy book deals for Comer because you botched the Biden
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investigation 20 times over after every single investigative reporter, myself, this audience,
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people who we have on the show every single day included, handed you on a golden platter,
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a golden platter to do something, to have actual criminal referrals and actual indictments.
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And the best you could give to us was a book deal. How about this? I'll start a committee called
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the committee to end all committees. Because what the heck has the China Select Committee been doing?
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Have you guys been doing a good job of taking down the CCP? I don't think so. They're seizing islands
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in the Philippines, planting Chinese flags on it. And what are you guys doing? Tweeting. Wow.
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These people are a bunch of clowns. And there are a bunch of words that I probably I don't think I
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can say on air. I would that probably not be particularly feminine of me. So I won't. But the
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crux of the issue and we're going to bring I think very shortly Wade Miller on to get into
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where we stand with codifying these doge cuts. In 2016, right, President Trump was your voice. He
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gave you a seat at the table because he was not beholden to the Republican donor class in the
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Republican establishment. You've heard me say this dozens of times. It's the sort of, I would say,
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Right. But now we have hit the fundamental bifurcation point whereby it's not a split
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in ideology because we won that war because of you guys, but it is a split. It is a fork
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in the road of tactics. And the same squishy establishment Republicans who are so performative.
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And if you were to chart them out, at least talking about their politics and their conservatism,
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probably are more to the left than most of people watching the show and your neighbors.
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They don't have the will to fight. They don't have the tactics and they want to just tweet
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and they want to keep you in the dark and they want to insult your intelligence and be performative
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in their activism. Well, we didn't get here by being performative. We didn't get here by Stephen
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K. Bannon being performative when he chose to serve a four month prison sentence, nor was Peter
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Navarro and nor the thousands of J6ers or the people praying the rosaries or the school board
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parents. Nothing about that was performative. So how about this? For all the
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tough talk we got from our congressional betters, maybe you should muster up. I'll take one 100th
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of the courage that this audience has had, that people like Stephen K. Bannon have had
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to cut waste, fraud and abuse. I'm not even talking about anything crazy.
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To cut waste, fraud and abuse. That's what we're up against.
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Okay. Okay, Paul Ryan. Okay, you guys know everything that was going on at USAID for years
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and you chose to do nothing about it. So spare me the fiscal conservatism.
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Really. We all know you're socially liberal. That's evidenced by your actions and frankly,
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your pastimes and your extracurricular activities. But I guess we'll save that for another show.
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I believe we've got Wade Miller up. Wade, you guys over at CRA are always doing the heavy lifting,
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the hardcore work on all things that is the black box of Congress. If you can sort of,
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we've got a few minutes, just start off walking the audience through where we sort of stand
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on these doge cuts, what you think the path ahead. I know you guys are working on some big stuff over
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there, but if you want to give us a little tease. Sure. So that's the conversation of the hour is how
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do we get the doge cuts done? And one of the big questions is, well, why wasn't this done on the
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reconciliation bill? The reason that most of the doge cuts were not done is because they couldn't
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be done on reconciliation because they're for discretionary spending. They're not mandatory
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spending accounts. And the Byrd rule in the Senate would probably find them to be extraneous,
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almost certainly find them to be extraneous and would jettison them out. So if reconciliation
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wasn't the vehicle, what is? And Congress could bring forth a standalone bill to cut spending that
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has been identified by doge. But we all know that that would die in the Senate on a filibuster
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because the Senate needs 60 votes. So a standalone bill coming forward would just be a way for,
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you know, rhinos to make it look like they support doge, but not really. And so that's not an option.
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And so what does that leave us with? Well, you either need a major piece of leverage,
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like an appropriations bill or a CR or something like that, NDAA perhaps, that you could potentially
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get past the filibuster. Or there's some other processes that you've been hearing about. So
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rescissions. Rescissions are a way that the administration can put forward a message to
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Congress saying, we want to cut all of this spending. And if they have 45 days to act, if they
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act within that 45 days to affirm it, then that spending is cut. Now, the danger with rescissions is
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that if Congress doesn't pass it or doesn't bring it up in 45 days, it fails. And then it becomes
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legally a little bit more difficult to cut those doge, you know, to actually codify those doge cuts
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if it's been rejected in a rescissions package. And so one other thing that we've been looking at,
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and we're researching it, and there's some precedent on this through the GAO,
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and OMB has written about this in 2021 and before, is what's called a pocket rescission.
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Now, the key to a pocket rescission is that it has to be done within 45 days of the end of the
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fiscal year, so August. And we're working on this. We've got a paper going into the technical details.
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We're hoping to have that out by the end of this week. We want to cross our I's, dot our T's. But if
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all of the math adds up here, and our legal analysis is correct, and we believe it will be,
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is that if you put forward a pocket rescission within 45 days of the end of the fiscal year,
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that Congress doesn't need to do anything, it just automatically goes into effect.
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And that would be the highest percentage, or the highest, the path forward that gives us the highest
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chance of success. Because if you do a regular rescissions package, there's a chance that a
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couple, two, three senators might reject it, and then that complicates the ability to actually cut those
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for this year. So our main focus right now is potentially if this is the, you know, I'd be
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interested to know where the White House and OMB are at on this. But if this is correct, then this
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would be the preferred route. And that would call for, in that instance, being patient and waiting
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until August to do pocket rescissions as opposed to rescission packages sooner now. It does look like
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I want to hold you through, because I think everyone's probably wondering, well, what have
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these people been doing with their time instead, besides vacationing?
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We'll have you pick up where you left off. Hang with us.
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Warren Posse, we'll be right back after this short break.
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still joined by the also lovely and fantastic Wade Miller. Wade, if you just want to sort
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of pick up where you left off, but most importantly, what our audience needs to know sort of as we
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progress, how they can be most useful, helpful, and force these weak Republicans to, I don't
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know, do something. Amen. You're speaking my language. So I think to kind of recap, there's
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two forms of rescission. One is a little bit more risky because it requires Congress to act. There's
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a chance they may not. I do believe that the White House is going to be, I think they announced today
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that they're going to be sending a package. There may be another package lined up. But the bulk of the
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doge cuts for this year, because when we're talking about rescissions, we're talking about spending
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for this year. The bulk of those cuts, it appears, can be done through a pocket rescission
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unilaterally through the White House. And if that's the case, it would be preferable for Congress
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to stay out of the way and allow the White House to essentially get most of this done in the August
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to September timeframe. I think what's useful for our audience is if we're asking Congress to stay out
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of the way because we don't trust that they're going to get it right, maybe they do a package or two,
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but do the rest through pocket rescissions, they need to start assuring us that they're going to
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enact doge cuts in fiscal year 26 through the appropriations process. We should be getting
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them on the record saying that they will not advance an appropriations process this fall unless it
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enacts doge cuts going into next year so that we don't have to do rescissions on the current
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identified doge cuts that they're already taken care of through all of fiscal year 26.
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So I think that that's a path forward. I think that it gives us a good strategy to support the
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White House in getting these done. It alleviates a little bit of the pressure because it gives us
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a path forward where the White House can achieve these doge cuts for this year. But we do need
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Congress to get off the mats and start getting serious about the reconciliation process, which of
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course is different than rescissions, and then the appropriations process later this summer and into
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fall to permanently codify that into the new baseline.
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Wade, just give us one more minute and let the audience know. I think you guys are working on a
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paper, one of the wonderful research things you guys always put together, when it's going to be
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coming out, how the audience can read it, get up close and personal to it, really internalize it, and
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hopefully use it in their phone calls that I'm sure they will eventually be making to their members of
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Congress. Sure. So you can find us at Center for Renewing America. We're working on a paper. We're
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looking through the legal analysis right now. There's precedent for it. We hope to have that paper
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out later this week. We will disseminate it widely. Right now, it's a question of how expansive those
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powers are, not if those powers exist. And so we're really excited about this. If this is the thinking of
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the White House, then it could explain their strategy. I'm not privy to their strategy,
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but rescissions packages are coming forward. But I'm hoping that this pocket rescission strategy
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is something that they're considering moving on, because I do think it is the easier path forward,
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and we will send that out far and wide as soon as it's ready.
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Thank you, sir, for joining us. We will certainly have you back on soon. I'm sure Steve will want you
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on first thing when it's published. Thanks for having me on.
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Of course. I believe I heard someone say things cannot be big and beautiful in terms of spending
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bills. And I would say in the same way that I do not support body positivity, big is also not
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beautiful when it comes to government spending packages. Also, given that what they do with that
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big government, remember the slogan used to be, what was it? Big government sucks. I think that's
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probably too euphemistic because big government censors you, deplatforms you, debanks you, throws you and
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your children in prison, destroys your country, invades it with tens of millions of illegals, and then
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grants H-1B visas to a bunch of legal third world people as well. So it's probably a little past the
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demarcation line of big government sucking, and that's full blown government weaponization. But
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a bright spot in the Trump administration has always been the FTC in terms of what the chairman,
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Andrew Ferguson, has been doing to combat censorship. Today, the State Department announcing that they
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will be rescinding visas and, frankly, not giving them out to people who've been involved in the
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censorship of Americans. There's a very, very long list of those names. But I wanted to bring on
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Chairman Ferguson just to sort of react to what the State Department is doing and how it sort of
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bolsters what you guys have been doing really since day one and, frankly, even before
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over at the FTC in terms of combating censorship. Thanks for having me on. Start off with, I think
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Secretary Rubio on this front is just doing a fabulous job. I mean, you know, being a guest in
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the United States is a privilege. And the idea that that privilege should be extended to people who hate
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this country, who want to scream about their hatred in the public square, that want to burn the flag is
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just absurd. So, you know, I think Secretary Rubio's approach to this and President Trump's
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approach to this is A, long overdue. And it's such a breath of fresh air to make sure that if you
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are not an American, but you want to spend time in this country, at the very least, you can't openly
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despise and hate this country and foment violence against it. So kudos to Secretary Rubio. Same on the
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protecting Americans from censorship. I mean, you've talked about this. Steve's talked about this.
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Mike Benz has been on about this for a long time. But one of the, like, biggest risks to American
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speech has been coming from abroad. A lot of the organizations that have been used by Democrats and by
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mainstream press to suppress ideas are from outside of the United States, foreign NGOs that come up with
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lists of disinformation and disfavored ideas. And then people here in the United States use that to suppress
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speech online and in the public square. So I think this is a big step forward for protecting
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Americans' free speech. And frankly, look, you know, we've got two free speech problems. I talked about
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this with you back in December. The first is the government restricting speech. And then the second
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are big, powerful gateway-keeping platforms that restrict free speech. And at the very least,
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you know, I think the Trump administration deserves a ton of credit thus far for taking the problem,
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both problems seriously, but at least within the government, making sure that we're doing
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everything we can to prevent the government from ever participating in the censorship cartel ever
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again. It was extremely clear during the Biden administration that government was working hand
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in hand with cooperative tech platforms. This is what the Missouri against Biden lawsuit was all about
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to suppress free speech by Americans. And so I think that the steps that Secretary Rubio at the State
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Department and President Trump throughout the whole government have taken to protect Americans from
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censorship abroad and from censorship by the federal government are hugely important. And we've been on
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this since day one at the FTC. One of the first things that we did after President Trump was inaugurated was
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that we asked the public in a formal request for information to weigh in on examples that individuals
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had suffered with censorship online and to tell us about their experiences, because we're looking for two
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things that are covered by the laws that we enforce. The first are, you know, platforms have
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terms of service. Those terms of service are part of the inducement that platforms offer to people to
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come and spend their time on that platform instead of a different platform. And, you know, when you and I
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buy something, if we join like a subscription service, or if we decide to post content online,
00:24:59.820
it's all pursuant to like a form of contract that we enter into with the platforms. And that requires us to
00:25:05.780
uphold our end of the bargain as users, but it also requires the platforms to abide by their terms of
00:25:11.160
service. And so one of the things that I think is really important for us to find out is, were big online
00:25:19.780
platforms making censorship decisions that were contrary to the promises they were making people in their terms of
00:25:26.440
service? And so that's part of what this request for information was, where, you know, are you a user? Did you
00:25:33.700
experience censorship that was inconsistent with the terms you had signed up for when you used the
00:25:39.020
platform? And then the second thing, and that's because one of the laws that the FTC enforces
00:25:45.240
prohibits deceptive acts and practices. And, you know, a classic example of deception is promising a
00:25:51.920
consumer you're going to do one thing in order to get that consumer to use your product or service and
00:25:56.560
then not living up to your promises. So that's one of the things that we're interested in hearing about.
00:26:00.920
And then the second is, you know, a lot of censorship decisions made by the big tech platforms,
00:26:08.340
particularly in the lead up to the catastrophe of 2020 and in 2020, were sort of seem to be made in
00:26:15.160
lockstep. Like a lot of these platforms had seemingly identical censorship, you know, content moderation,
00:26:21.300
as they like to call it, policies. And the antitrust laws categorically forbid, you know,
00:26:28.300
polluting with your competitors to injure consumers. And so one of the things that we
00:26:32.820
are trying to figure out was, was there potentially collusion among big tech platforms to set, you know,
00:26:39.920
here are all the ideas that we're collectively going to permit on our platform and here are all
00:26:43.840
the ideas that we aren't, rather than competing with each other, which is the whole notion of
00:26:48.980
American free enterprise is based on competition. Rather than competing with each other to convince
00:26:53.920
consumers to use their products, they were, you know, the question that I think we need to figure
00:26:58.700
out is, were platforms, you know, agreeing amongst each other not to compete on free speech grounds,
00:27:05.980
not to encourage users to come on to share their ideas, but that some ideas were going to be permitted
00:27:11.260
and others were not. So we've had this request for information out. We've gotten thousands of
00:27:17.800
comments and, you know, we've been reviewing them as they come in. And, you know, a lot of them were
00:27:22.580
consumer commenters explaining, you know, how they suffered under the censorship cartel, but we also
00:27:29.440
got comments from like the big tech backed think tanks and, and firms. And one of the most consistent
00:27:37.980
accusations level at the FTC that I've seen is that the Supreme court already said that government is
00:27:44.760
not allowed to police content moderation. And they all point to this decision. The Supreme court decided
00:27:51.180
two years ago called net choice against Paxton. And, and that case was about a Florida law and a Texas
00:27:59.180
law that regulated censorship decisions directly. It said, you can't make censorship decisions on this
00:28:06.080
Andrew, we're coming up against a break. If I can hold you through it, just, just for one more minute.
00:28:10.040
I know the, you know, censorship is not a victimless crime. I think our audience is probably ground
00:28:14.820
zero for, for a lot of that. We'll be right back after this short break, more on the H1Bs,
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So, so Kurt Mills, uh, you're one of the smartest guys out there. You just heard, uh, Mark Mitchell,
00:30:00.780
another brilliant guy on the polling president Trump. Now the people think the country's on the
00:30:04.900
right track, the support in president Trump more than ever. We know why we voted for him and we
00:30:10.000
can't get enough. We'd love it. Obviously there's certain things we disagree with and disagree with
00:30:14.020
adamantly, but Hey, directionally president Trump's delivery and the American people are seeing this
00:30:18.720
in particular, this new coalition we're pulling together. Are you concerned that, uh, in one of the
00:30:25.600
reasons he's a, he's a man of peace. He's a strong man. People do not cross him. These, uh, dictators
00:30:31.500
throughout the world are crossing. He's a man of peace, but dude, you look at the last 72 hours in
00:30:36.760
Ukraine and Russia, we're being sucked into this and we're being sucked into this because of American
00:30:41.680
weapon systems. These, these drones, this artificial intelligent target acquisition and fire control
00:30:46.820
solutions. Uh, what is going on here? And what is the perspective of Kurt Mills and American
00:30:51.320
conservatives, sir? Well, to link to the previous segment, I'll say the following, um, you know,
00:30:58.000
to the extent that we can rely on public opinion polls, and I think they have become far more rickety
00:31:02.100
over the years as you're aware, but to the extent that we view them as a good snapshot of what is
00:31:06.420
going on since Trump has done his middle East, uh, tour since Trump has sidelined NSA, Mike Waltz,
00:31:13.620
and since Trump has made clear, uh, that he wants to make good on his promise of ending the endless
00:31:19.420
wars, uh, you have seen a clear spike in the polls, uh, for the president. And I think that's,
00:31:25.320
you know, really notable. I mean, uh, Trump has basically returned to the mid January position
00:31:30.620
where he has the Democrats on the back heel. Now, as to the question of Russia, uh, obviously the
00:31:36.140
administration is extremely frustrated. Uh, obviously the, uh, Russians are playing hardball.
00:31:41.200
I mean, the Russians, the man's in and of themselves are fairly extraordinary. Uh, you know,
00:31:45.440
I know, uh, you know, our magazine is often, uh, typecast as, uh, you know, non-interventionist
00:31:50.600
to a fault, but the Russian demands for, uh, uh, territory that they have not actually conquered,
00:31:56.160
um, is a novel, uh, approach from Moscow and one that the, obviously the administration,
00:32:01.820
uh, should rebut. And I think they are. Um, but I think right now it's not worth panicking,
00:32:08.480
uh, you know, don't be a panic. And as the president said that, that we are necessarily spiraling,
00:32:13.500
uh, into something that Trump can't negotiate us, uh, us out of. Um, I do think what is notable,
00:32:19.020
and I do think what is concerning is that, uh, Putin's, uh, uh, left tenant, Dementry Medvedev,
00:32:25.920
the former Russian president again yesterday, or maybe the day before floated, uh, Russia's renewed
00:32:31.760
nuclear doctrine. I mean, it's very, very clear that the, uh, intelligentsia in Moscow is one,
00:32:38.800
one, aggrieved and two, pretty nuclear curious. I mean, I mean, the intelligence assessments during
00:32:44.340
the Biden administration where that the Russians got close to a 50% chance of using a tactical nuke,
00:32:49.960
um, this is not to be trifled with. And I think that's the reason why, why negotiations are so key,
00:32:55.980
not only in Russia, but also in the Middle East.
00:33:00.100
Do you, uh, is Poso right? Is, is what Putin's looking at, which we've supported,
00:33:06.440
but I don't see it happening right now because of so much of what's happening in Ukraine and,
00:33:11.100
and, and with Persia. But do you think that they're still interested in an overall rapprochement or
00:33:16.540
since that he was playing footsie, like a teenager with she over the 80th anniversary of victory in
00:33:23.120
Europe day in Moscow, the parades and the 35 agreements they signed. Have you seen him backing
00:33:28.160
off there? Do you still agree with, with, uh, with Poso that this rapprochement, this overall,
00:33:33.540
uh, some sort of strategic realignment we may make is still on the table and even active?
00:33:40.560
Um, I think rapprochement with Russia is still on the table. I think what is going on is effectively,
00:33:46.260
I mean, there are two main explanations in my view for why the Russians have,
00:33:50.200
I've started playing hardball. Number one, uh, the Russians may behind the scenes want to effectively
00:33:55.280
vimarize, uh, Ukraine, which is like, even if Zelensky signs a piece of paper, which is dubious,
00:34:00.360
or even if the U S signs a piece of paper and Zelensky is not in the room, uh, the question of,
00:34:05.120
uh, Ukrainian military projection into Russia is a live one. Uh, they have routine drone strikes on
00:34:11.640
Moscow. They are capable of assassinating, uh, upper crust members of the Russian military. And,
00:34:17.220
uh, if you have the view that I do, which I know is not necessarily the popular view that the Ukrainians,
00:34:22.160
uh, were behind North stream, uh, or at least the evidence so far is that they were, and that they
00:34:27.420
potentially acted alone. There is severe cause for anxiety in Russia that even if they sign a deal,
00:34:33.740
the elements of the, of the Ukrainian government may try to keep the war going, especially since
00:34:38.780
Zelensky himself fears his own hardliners. I think explanation two is that Putin himself is wary of
00:34:45.820
demobilization so quickly. Uh, the war itself would mean ending today would mean that, you know,
00:34:51.580
hundreds of thousands of troops would go home potentially without jobs, potentially without
00:34:55.700
pay. And of course that's, as you know, that's unstable for, for any leader, uh, you know, so
00:35:02.160
quickly. And so, uh, demobilization, uh, collapsed Germany as, as you're aware in, uh, in, in 1918.
00:35:08.880
And I don't think the Russian situation is nearly that dire. In fact, the Russians are the upper
00:35:12.560
hand, the Germans did not. Uh, but still it could explain why the Russians want to drag this out.
00:35:17.700
And then finally, the Russians themselves are a very, you know, this is not the Soviet union.
00:35:23.160
Uh, and I think that's a specious argument to make the, to make that claim, but the Russians
00:35:27.960
themselves do have a lot of the Soviet architecture, which means it's a bear, it's a very bureaucratic
00:35:33.700
society. Uh, things go slowly, uh, you know, oftentimes, and there's a million, uh, different,
00:35:39.580
you know, uh, check marks to make on the list before getting any deal. So yeah, uh, the early
00:35:44.900
deal, uh, is off the table, the deal by the, uh, uh, you know, victory parade in early May,
00:35:50.340
as some people hoped off the table. Um, and we could be in for a long summer, uh, but no need
00:35:55.400
to panic yet. Uh, I think, uh, we've got a hard nosed diplomatic approach for the administration
00:36:01.920
Um, Christy Noem was in, and supposedly was there to, to talk about the, uh, two young
00:36:10.120
people who were assassinated in Washington DC. Uh, but she had time to, to actually meet
00:36:15.180
with Netanyahu. And I think inform him that president Trump's not just preferred path,
00:36:20.460
but the press he's going down to some sort of diplomatic or economic deal that, uh, that,
00:36:25.340
uh, stops the potential for a threat of a nuclear weapon with the Persians. What's your
00:36:30.200
assessment of this? But Netanyahu, one of the reasons Waltz is gone is behind, you know,
00:36:35.220
behind the scenes meetings, uh, with some of the Israeli staff. Uh, do you think this
00:36:44.780
Well, I'm not sure anybody had Christy Noem, all due respect to the secretary as Trump's bad
00:36:50.320
cop on their, uh, on their, uh, play sheet, but that appears to be what happened. Uh, I mean,
00:36:55.840
Huckabee, uh, embraced her when she came and then per all reportings and look,
00:37:00.200
uh, whatever you think of Israel, the Israeli press is quite good. And, uh, you know, the
00:37:04.640
Israeli press has basically reported that she delivered a tough message, which is back off.
00:37:10.240
The president wants to negotiate with Iran. We're very committed to having a ceasefire in Gaza.
00:37:14.700
Uh, and again, as reported again, the times this morning, uh, you know, the, the white house is
00:37:19.400
pushing back ferociously on the idea that the Israelis might do a unilateral strike on the Iranians.
00:37:25.020
So Noem was clearly, and I say, I think you had the clip of the previous segment,
00:37:29.700
clearly messaging in this direction. Um, it's unclear to the degree to which the Gaza negotiations
00:37:35.800
being led by Wyckoff and the Iranian negotiations also being led by Wyckoff are twinned. Of course,
00:37:42.180
extreme hardliners and neoconservatives, uh, view, uh, a Sunni Islamic militant group in Gaza as,
00:37:49.020
you know, hook, line and sinker with the Iranians. I think that is not true, but obviously these are
00:37:53.700
partners and it is very possible that two pieces are being, uh, negotiated, uh, together. But again,
00:38:00.620
it's separate negotiations, separate cities, the Hamas negotiations are in Doha. The Iranian
00:38:05.560
negotiations are in Muscat and Rome. And again, the president, uh, you know, sort of exploded the
00:38:11.540
news cycle this weekend, Memorial Day weekend by saying we could have an Iran deal in a day or two.
00:38:16.800
And, uh, you know, there's this sort of do ex machina, uh, explanation of how we could have an
00:38:21.600
Iran deal, which is, again, it was, I've been hearing it over the weekend, but it was in buried
00:38:26.040
in the times report this morning that they are looking at this, uh, and has been floated before
00:38:30.960
this civil nuclear agreement between Iran, potentially the Gulf allies in the U S.
00:38:36.240
And then additionally, the Iranian nuclear chief today indicated something he never did or something
00:38:42.260
that the Iranians never did under Obama, that they would be opening to open to American inspectors
00:38:47.880
of their weapons program. So, I mean, this is, this has gone well beyond JCPOA. Uh, anyone who says
00:38:54.000
this is a redux of the Obama deal is lying. And, uh, you know, I think that this is, uh, a fairly
00:39:00.240
extraordinary and we are, we are quite close to a diplomatic breakthrough. Is American conservative
00:39:07.220
and yourself, are you guys comfortable with even an, an advanced verification program like this and not
00:39:13.340
a taking it apart brick by brick peacefully, not with air rays, but peacefully doing whatever you
00:39:18.040
need to do economically to get them there? Are you guys comfortable that we can live with even a
00:39:23.520
verification program that we have inspectors going in, sir? I think, I think we are. I mean, look,
00:39:30.340
I mean, if the Iranians called up, uh, the United States yesterday and said, we want to unilaterally
00:39:34.820
disarm, we want to get rid of all our stuff. Uh, you know, I think we should accept that deal,
00:39:38.820
uh, but they're not going to do it. Um, the reality is it, it, zero enrichment, uh, of any
00:39:44.600
sort of having no nuclear program whatsoever is they're, they're almost certainly going to walk
00:39:49.220
away from the deal. And if they sign it, they're just going to be lying. So it's not really a deal
00:39:53.460
worth pursuing, but a civil enrichment, uh, uh, compendium or, um, uh, corridor with, uh, the Gulf
00:40:01.020
States, with the U S with U S inspections, um, I think is quite acceptable. And, you know, uh, it's very
00:40:07.040
important and I don't want to be a broken record on this, but it's very important not to, uh, uh,
00:40:12.280
repeat the mistakes of Iraq. Uh, Iraq had weapons inspectors. They found no weapons and they turned
00:40:17.880
out there weren't any weapons. And in some times of these, you know, tough countries and tough parts
00:40:22.860
of the world, uh, a lot of times the hardliners just need to signal for their own security and for
00:40:27.700
their own sort of self-belief, but they don't actually have the weapons. It's hard to conceal
00:40:31.620
these things. Uh, you know, uh, we don't know everything about Iran, but they're under constant
00:40:35.720
surveillance. Uh, they know the Israelis as, as, uh, as, uh, disclosed by WikiLeaks, by the late
00:40:42.220
Colin Powell. Uh, we know the Israelis have 200 plus nuclear weapons and they're all trained on
00:40:47.680
Tehran. The DACA stack, DACA stack against them. We don't need to make an unforced error here.
00:40:55.360
Uh, Kurt, uh, what is your social media and how do people get over to the great magazine that you
00:40:59.620
helm? And now that, uh, our own Catherine O'Neill is on your board, uh, it makes it even stronger.
00:41:05.020
Where, where do people go? Thanks. It's, uh, www.theamericanconservative.com. We have been
00:41:10.760
founded and running out of Washington DC since 2002, when we were founded against the Iraq war
00:41:16.000
by conservatives and friends. Uh, and then my own, uh, channel is at Kurt Mills, C-U-R-T-M-I-L-L-S
00:41:22.700
on X Twitter. Um, you know, pretty active. Thank you. Uh, and I want to have you back in the
00:41:29.440
next couple of days. We'll get your schedule for you to have to come back. And I want to discuss this
00:41:32.880
more in Russia more with you guys. Fascinating. Uh, the Kurt Mills, uh, Tucker Carlson School of,
00:41:39.000
uh, National Security, I call it. Uh, Kurt, brilliant young man. Uh, Jim Rickards, you've
00:41:43.720
heard a lot this morning. What are your thoughts?
00:41:47.280
Steve, I'd just like to draw a connection between two separate things you've been discussing. One is
00:41:51.400
the BRICS Summit Conference is coming up in Rio de Janeiro, uh, very shortly. So that, that's a big
00:41:56.680
deal in and of itself. There's not going to be a new BRICS currency. I remind people that the BRICS
00:42:01.900
already have a global currency. It's called gold. You can settle transactions in gold and they do.
00:42:07.500
It's non-digital. They can move it around. You can't interdict it, et cetera. Uh, so they're already
00:42:12.940
there. They're working on payment systems and the war in Ukraine, which we talked about and one of
00:42:16.860
Lindsey Graham's sanctions, but also something Zelensky talked about the other day. They want
00:42:21.020
to take, uh, the $300 billion of U.S. Treasury securities lawfully bought by Russia that are in,
00:42:28.700
about 200 billion of them in Euroclear. The rest are scattered on various bank custodians and use
00:42:33.900
that to fund the war. And Zelensky said the other day, hey, uh, you know, cause Trump, uh, probably
00:42:39.180
the House of Representatives will not approve. I don't expect they will approve new funding for
00:42:43.260
the war in Ukraine. But Zelensky says, no problem. Just take the $300 billion of Russian assets and use
00:42:49.980
that to pay for all the weapons systems. So what's the connection between those two things? If you're
00:42:54.700
India or you're Brazil or Saudi Arabia, and by the way, the BRICS have expanded, of course,
00:42:59.340
it's not just the original five. And you're watching this, you're saying, hey, what if the
00:43:03.340
U.S. doesn't like what I do? What if they steal my U.S. Treasury securities that I hold my reserve
00:43:08.460
positions, et cetera? So by our, by our folly in Ukraine, this isn't a freeze. We freeze stuff all
00:43:14.860
the time. U.S. is good at it. This is theft. This is armed robbery of the Russian assets. Lindsey
00:43:19.900
Graham's all in on this, by the way. This would be part of his, you know, new round
00:43:23.580
of sanctions. Uh, but if you're in the other country and you're watching this, you're saying,
00:43:27.100
get me out of U.S. Treasury securities. Maybe you have to have some because there's no other
00:43:31.260
asset class in the world that that's big, but there are. Hey, Jim, Jim, Jim, just hang. Hey,
00:43:35.500
Jim, hang on one second. We're going to take a short commercial break. I want to continue this.
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Welcome back to the War Room. Quick programming note for those of you who are blessed enough to be
00:45:15.340
on the West Coast, living in Washington state. I and James O'Keefe are actually going to be
00:45:22.220
say co-headlining. He can be the headliner. I'll be the opening act. He obviously has wonderful work
00:45:27.020
work in Yakima, Washington for their kind of Lincoln Day dinner, yakima.gop for the tickets,
00:45:33.900
August 9th, meet and greets, dinner, all the fun stuff. I always look forward to getting to meet
00:45:38.780
the posse in person, in the flesh. It's so fun. Remember, they took years of our lives away from
00:45:44.460
us when they said we couldn't meet in person. So we got to make up for lost time. And of course,
00:45:49.020
in the Washington area, I think the FBI has been opening a ton of investigations into targeted violence
00:45:54.140
against Christians coming at the hands of, you guessed it, Antifa, which I guess is just a
00:45:59.580
euphemistic word nowadays for the Democratic Party. That's yakima.gop, August 9th. Come see me,
00:46:05.900
James O'Keefe. Who knows? Maybe some special guests. Maybe Mike Benz. He's always traveling.
00:46:10.460
Oh, maybe he'll have to come by and say hi, though. I would demand that you wear a tux like you did,
00:46:15.100
I think, one time here on the War Room. Mike, we've got a few minutes left. You were just getting to the
00:46:19.420
good stuff if you want to pick up where you left off on this whole, you know, using visa warfare.
00:46:24.540
That's what we'll call it. Yes. Well, but this is a appropriate escalation for the attacks on
00:46:31.420
American sovereignty that are being done by foreign governments and their U.S. shadow cabinet,
00:46:38.780
shadow diplomacy, allied core within the blob of the United States. And the fact is, is a message
00:46:45.020
has to be sent that if you attack us, you're not welcome here. If you attack us, there'll be
00:46:49.740
consequences for you. And this is done in the name of American values. This is the sort of thing that
00:46:57.420
the U.S. was doing constantly in the 20th century to promote free speech and to fight against autocratic
00:47:04.940
governments who would censor the speech of their citizens and journalists. And frankly, I think that
00:47:12.060
much more needs to be done on this front. And while this is, this is incredible action,
00:47:16.940
the fact is, if you look at a case like Brazil, Brazil is one of the most severe examples of
00:47:23.500
government abuse of censorship to imprison and to mass censor tens of millions of citizens in Brazil
00:47:31.340
in order to keep the in power government, which is highly corrupt, from being exposed. In fact,
00:47:37.580
the judges even ruled the Marais in Brazil that calling Lula corrupt is effectively against the law
00:47:44.140
because it might impact elections if you, if you are, if you allege that the, that that president is
00:47:51.020
corrupt. Now you could call Bolsonaro corrupt and others from his party. But the fact is, is there are
00:47:56.620
many levels of coordination and cooperation between the U.S. and Brazil. Obviously at the State Department
00:48:02.540
layer, it's a very, very critical one. And I was also delighted to see the U.S. Embassy in Brazil
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echo Secretary Rubio's message about the, the visa stoppage. I believe sanctions are also likely a
00:48:15.660
necessary part of the toolkit to be applied so that it's not just the visas, but that there are
00:48:21.500
economic inducements. And beyond that, I believe that cooperation between the U.S. military and the
00:48:27.100
Brazilian military needs, needs to be addressed. The fact is, is Brazil's military is completely
00:48:32.620
reliant on the U.S. They get their equipment, they get their training. They're the second largest
00:48:37.500
military in the Western Hemisphere, and they've had a total free check while the human rights abuses
00:48:42.300
in Brazil continue. I believe that can continue no longer. In addition to that, I believe that Brazil's
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involvement in the international narcotics trade has to be examined by this government. The PCC cartel
00:48:55.260
is already infiltrating here in Miami and is a big part of this decision, I should say, of this cartel
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soup that the Trump administration has been focused on to get rid of illegal narcotics by declaring
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drug gangs to be terrorists. Well, there's a big fat one in Brazil, and I believe that that should also
00:49:14.940
be a focus of this as well, given that the head of that cartel, the PCC cartel, actually said in a
00:49:22.940
recorded video that he hoped that Lula would win because it was better for his own business.
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It appears that the Lula regime is protecting the narco gangs, and I believe that's a national
00:49:32.460
security threat to the United States of America. Mike Benz, you break things down like most people
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can't or frankly probably don't want to because I don't know about you, all this stuff is so hard to
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track and they make it that way by design. But we're very grateful for the analysis and insight you
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bring to the worm. If people want to follow you and get much more of it, where can they go
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Thank you, sir. I'm just giving out compliments left and right today. Thank you so much for
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joining us. It's a good day, despite the fact that congressional Republicans suck and are doing
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absolutely nothing except plunging this country further into, you know, at least have the nerve,
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at least Democrats are forthright with their depravity and perversion and weird sexualities.
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I guess what I'm about to say is twofold. Republicans lie to you, not just frankly about
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that stuff, like I said, what they're doing in their extracurricular activities, but they
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insult your intelligence when they make you think that just because they take a selfie with
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Elon and join the Doge caucus that we're not going to notice that they want to send what
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hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and think that USAID is how we're going to
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advance soft power and defeat the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah, it's doing so well in Africa.
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What upwards of 90% of countries signed on to the Belt and Road Initiative. Yeah, I guess
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Okay, real quick, everybody. Remember, I work personally with President Bolsonaro in Brazil.
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