Bannon's War Room - Episode 4522： Trump's Tariff Battle Wages On After Victory In Court

00:00:00.000 Go it alone. It's it's it's the end of the American relationship with Israel. 0.81

00:00:04.440 It's just the end of it. You can't because we're so tied to them. We're going to because it's not

00:00:09.540 just blowing the nuclear thing. First off, we haven't done anything really on putting economic

00:00:15.300 pressure on them. The president's got a whole toolbox in news. President Trump is adamant about

00:00:19.700 this. And listen, he's trying to he's trying to make sure what he's trying to do is make sure we

00:00:24.640 don't exacerbate the third world war right now, the kinetic part, all the way from Kursk through

00:00:29.840 Kiev, that whole arc of instability. The president is on his shoulders. He's got Wyckoff as lead

00:00:35.840 negotiator, but he's got a lot of people working on this. It's and Kristi Noem, she didn't go over

00:00:42.020 there to talk about the two young people who were assassinated. As horrible as that was, it was it

00:00:47.060 was she didn't need to go there. She went over to deliver a message. And that message is pretty blunt

00:00:52.000 to Bibi. And Bibi's got to learn how to read the room because there's just no support of that 0.53

00:00:57.020 whatsoever. The polling is is is horrible under 35. It's 100 to zero. So I and we haven't put any

00:01:05.140 economic pressure on them. They're still shipping out two million barrels a day to the Chinese

00:01:09.560 Communist Party through the Straits of Hormuz. Let's take one of the carrier battle groups in 0.95

00:01:12.800 the Red Sea and put it right there and say, hey, we're going to fully stop. We President Trump

00:01:17.660 had them to their knees. See, folks, see, folks, economically. This is this is Steve Venn's

00:01:22.440 economic pressure. Put a couple of carrier battle groups, put some aircraft carriers and

00:01:27.500 some support. You never know. Hold it. I tell my word to Levin is, hey, you never know what's

00:01:36.140 going to happen. You do a you do a full and, you know, do a full naval blockade on their oil.

00:01:41.000 You never know where that's going to play out. Yeah. Right. We have. Look, the mold is OK.

00:01:45.740 I 100 percent agree with Mark and the other guys. You know, we have Rabbi Wellecki on here.

00:01:51.160 So many of the guys who are close to Israel that you can't have a verification program. 0.96

00:01:56.200 Part of the what Wyckoff and those guys are talking about, because these moolahs are crazy. 1.00

00:02:01.720 They're also totally dishonest. And their policy is against the United States. You have to have a 0.99

00:02:06.640 program, I think, to take it apart brick by brick. But President Trump gets briefed on this every day.

00:02:12.120 He's got a guy that's so close to him in Wyckoff leading the negotiations. Right. Overall,

00:02:19.720 I think you got to let him play his handout. And he's also been adamant. This is not something

00:02:24.880 he is kind of playing hide the football. He's up front. I want other alternatives and diplomatic

00:02:31.300 and economic solutions to take care of the situation. I do not want the kinetic war that's

00:02:37.180 already in Gaza. That's already in Kiev. That's now in Kursk and in Russian territory,

00:02:42.400 all the way down to the to the to the tip of the Arabian Peninsula with the Houthis in the Red Sea

00:02:48.000 in Kashmir. That whole arc of instability. You light a match, that whole thing can go up.

00:02:54.780 And you got guys with nuclear weapons all over the place there. This thing could get as ugly as you

00:03:00.620 possibly can. And Trump is trying to be the peacemaker. You got to let him play his hand and have

00:03:05.100 BB saying, hey, we're going to go it alone. You can't go it alone. We know that. We're your

00:03:09.640 biggest sponsor. It's not really going alone. The American people will flip on you. You can see

00:03:13.500 the wink when he said, we're going to go it alone. Like, we know what Israel going alone is, 0.92

00:03:18.600 is us supporting him, just not officially supporting him.

00:03:24.160 This is my point. I think American public opinion. I mean, Charlie Kirk just put a poll up

00:03:29.140 with a couple hundred thousand people on it. And Charlie's a defender of Israel. I think he put a poll

00:03:33.300 up about Israel going alone. What would happen? I think 27% of the respondents saying we would

00:03:38.260 continue to have the support, monetary support. Another, I think, 15% said support, but no money.

00:03:44.580 And then, I don't know, what's the delta? 67% or 57, 60%, 65% said cut off everything.

00:03:51.340 58, yeah. Cut him off. Cut him off.

00:03:53.640 58. I mean, come on.

00:03:55.020 No, look, we are. We're weary. We're done supporting for it. I just, I mean, you know,

00:04:01.040 clandestine operations. You know how this, this stuff works. We have to tell everyone who we're

00:04:05.920 supporting everywhere, I guess. Well, hold it, but hold it, hold it, hold it. But hang on,

00:04:08.900 hang on. But you're talking about something totally different there. I'm talking about a military

00:04:13.280 invasion, either backed by the United States with our support and or Israel does alone, or an air raid,

00:04:20.800 air bombing campaign, which they said, hey, they're on their, they're on their back foot. Now

00:04:24.180 that versus economic warfare, paramilitary, espionage, like was it Stutniks, all those types

00:04:32.720 of things, that's a different, that's a different deal. But I think a direct military involvement,

00:04:38.120 the nation is tired. The nation has spent 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan and, you know,

00:04:44.880 $9 trillion, what, 10,000 KIAs, 50,000 wounded. It's just not going to do it. There's just no support

00:04:53.600 of that. In fact, there's, there's anti-support in the, in the polling on Israel. And I know from

00:04:58.400 our audience, which are MAGA and, and, and used to be huge supporters of Israel, that support's

00:05:04.540 dramatically dropped. You just got to take that into the calculation. And I think President Trump

00:05:08.840 isn't. President Trump is not quiet about this. He's adamant about this. Bibi had two shots in the

00:05:13.780 Oval Office. He came with the first time if Trump wanted to talk, Bibi wanted to talk air assault into,

00:05:19.660 into Persia. Trump wanted to talk about Trump Gaza, right? We're, we're making it a beachfront 0.78

00:05:25.500 property. And you remember, drop that bomb on Bibi. Bibi's sitting there with the big eyes and he

00:05:29.580 goes in the East Room and Trump's holding a, holding a press conference about the new condos.

00:05:34.240 And then the second time Bibi came over, remember four weeks later to talk about the tariffs. That

00:05:38.620 was also to talk about the bombing. President Trump dropped, dropped the bomb on him in the room that,

00:05:43.700 hey, we're directly negotiating. We, the United States of America are directly negotiating with the

00:05:48.780 Persians and we're doing it in Oman and we're going to shift and do it in the Vatican. 0.74

00:05:54.300 That, you got to read the room. The president of the United States, Israel's never had a bigger 0.87

00:05:58.820 defender of Israel than Donald John Trump. They just haven't. And he's pretty adamant about this.

00:06:04.880 And I think they ought to take some things and say, hey, look, you know, we're all in for you.

00:06:08.940 We'll take your guidance on this. And now you're not seeing it. I would argue that Mike Waltz is not

00:06:14.560 the national security, not the head of, not NSA, not the national security advisor about this very

00:06:18.960 topic, brother. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with Maga. I agree with you. I just,

00:06:24.220 I know there's no way to trust whoever we're dealing with, whoever the persons we're dealing with,

00:06:30.480 whoever we're negotiating with in the Middle East, that none of them can be trusted, including 1.00

00:06:35.640 the Iranians. And at some point it worked in the 80s, Israel took care of business and it bought

00:06:43.340 them 40 more years of no nuclear proliferation out of Iran. Your show. Sorry. Hang on. I'm going to

00:06:50.540 get, I'm going to get the rumor. Hang on. I'm going to get the rumor mill going here because we know a

00:06:54.060 lot of liberal journalists and producers on MSNBC watch the show. You know, Howard Lutnick, I don't

00:07:00.260 know if Howard over commerce is here in the footsteps, but you never know. It could be Eric Bolling,

00:07:04.220 new secretary of commerce, Eric Bolling, that tip to you, sir.

00:07:08.700 I have the coveted, I got the coveted seat. I can't give up the coveted, I got the coveted

00:07:13.700 four o'clock. I got the coveted four o'clock. Where's Rob Sieg? I got to look at this deal,

00:07:19.060 right? I got the coveted, I got the coveted four o'clock pre, pre-war room lead up, right?

00:07:24.020 That's it. I got the coveted five minutes with Bannon every 455, every 455. That's it.

00:07:30.820 That's it. I don't want to give that up. Thank you, brother. Always great talking with you.

00:07:35.280 See you tomorrow. Thank you, sir. Eric Bolling. True story. Call him up and said,

00:07:40.420 F the five, get over here. And he got over there. We're right tonight talking about being

00:07:44.960 secretary of commerce. And he turned us down. Little known story. Let's go. We got Josh Hammer,

00:07:51.880 a lot going on today. Let's go. We got a cold open. Maybe I'll actually ask Josh about the,

00:07:56.420 the entire situation in the Middle East, but he's here to give us some legal opinions,

00:08:01.600 observations. Let's go and play the cold open.

00:08:03.580 The U S appeals court has reinstated Donald Trump's tariffs during the appeals process. So

00:08:10.320 the international court of trade, which is a federal court, by the way, said, no,

00:08:15.020 you don't have the authority to do this, wiping out a lot of those tariffs. Well,

00:08:18.640 now Donald Trump appealed it. And the appeals court says, yes, you do have that authority,

00:08:22.480 at least for now. And this is exactly what the white house wanted, what they said this morning,

00:08:26.440 they were going to do. They were going to go to this DC appeals court and they would say,

00:08:28.980 look, we want you to stay the international trade court decision for now while this moves

00:08:35.380 forward. And the white house had said they would appeal directly to the Supreme court if they

00:08:38.560 didn't hear from the appeals court. Now they have heard from a DC appeals court, pausing any tariffs,

00:08:43.660 any tariff changes while the case is litigated. What I think is interesting is you've got another

00:08:48.700 deadline here, July 9th. That's when those original, I put it in air quotes, were reciprocal

00:08:54.320 tariffs. When the president stood there in the Rose Garden with that big chart with all those

00:08:57.960 numbers that he was going to charge people, then he paused some of those and then some went back

00:09:02.080 on. But July 9th is when there's supposed to be some clarity that those reciprocal tariffs,

00:09:07.020 that's what the international trade court said he did not have the authority to impose.

00:09:11.920 Now this DC appeals court saying, okay, we're going to pause that international trade court

00:09:17.320 decision until this litigate goes through the appeals process. So we're back to where we were

00:09:22.260 a day and a half ago. And this is part and parcel, Katie, of the frustration for businesses and

00:09:27.860 importers because it just means there still is indecision overall about what happens next and what

00:09:34.900 rates tariffs will be for these different countries in the days and weeks ahead.

00:09:39.300 There's so much uncertainty in how the tariffs will be rolled out. I mean, even as I was coming up the

00:09:43.960 elevator to this studio, the news broke that the court's decision last night had been halted today

00:09:49.920 and the tariffs would remain in effect. So I don't know, or that he did, you know, as the case moved

00:09:56.620 forward, the lower court's position would not stand. So I think that there's an enormous amount

00:10:02.740 of uncertainty in the economy. And the two choices that Robert laid out, I think it's worth looking at

00:10:09.440 what qualifies as a victory these days. So, you know, let's say that the Trump's, uh, that Trump's

00:10:15.160 orders are halted, that he's not able to enact the tariffs as he would like. That would be because

00:10:21.200 courts had stopped him. And then you have the likes of Stephen Miller saying, this is a judicial

00:10:24.980 coup. I mean, the idea that that would be a victory is pretty striking that you don't accept

00:10:30.640 the balance of powers as written in the constitution, but you brand it as a coup. And then what further

00:10:35.740 action does that kind of rhetoric enable? So I think we're dealing with, you know, enormous amounts

00:10:40.560 of uncertainty still in the economy, uh, real questions about how this policy might play out

00:10:46.580 in practice. But then we have come to learn over the course of Trump's, uh, two terms now that rhetoric

00:10:53.140 matters, you know, so I don't really see this as, you know, a real victory here. They're two bad options.

00:10:59.120 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:11:09.840 these people. Here's the time I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people

00:11:16.280 have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything

00:11:20.200 in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people

00:11:23.780 like that go to share the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people

00:11:31.600 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save

00:11:39.260 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:11:46.760 Thursday, 29 May. Year of our Lord, 2025. Josh Amber, the great Josh Amber. So Josh,

00:11:55.040 I got a lot of things to talk to you about. We got three minutes in this block.

00:11:58.120 Make this make sense. What's going on, sir? Well, the International Court of Trade

00:12:03.500 dramatically oversteps, Steve, and the, the U.S. Federal Circuit has put a pause on it. It's just

00:12:09.320 a procedural pause. They're going to let both sides file, file their legal arguments, let it play out

00:12:13.840 here. We're dealing here with a 1977 Jimmy Carter era statute known as the International Emergency

00:12:19.380 or Economic Emergency Powers Act. Now, the real question in this, in this litigation, again,

00:12:25.280 what happened today is all just procedural stuff. The federal circuit basically saying, okay, you guys

00:12:29.340 overstepped there. The actual question is really more one of who decides because the relevant

00:12:35.020 underlying statute says that when there is a foreign economic commercial emergency, then the

00:12:41.060 president of the United States can do XYZ things. So the question, Steve, really is, do the political

00:12:45.240 branches get to decide what is an economic emergency or do these unelected judges in the judiciary get

00:12:50.640 to decide what is an emergency? And when you're dealing- They made a case on fentanyl. The thing's

00:12:55.540 100 pages long. They just, correct me if I'm wrong, and we'll go to break on this, but they dismissed

00:13:00.040 the whole fentanyl and, you know, Canada, Mexico, the CCP, the million people destroyed by fentanyl,

00:13:06.900 the whole issue. Didn't this three-judge panel kind of dismiss this and get into the meat of

00:13:11.480 kind of trade and didn't even take the emergency of what President Trump said is the emergency that

00:13:16.200 drew this out? They kind of dismissed that, didn't they? Yeah. So they're focusing mostly,

00:13:21.240 if I understand it correctly, on the so-called reciprocal tariffs. Now, there's three trade

00:13:25.260 statutes. It's actually very confusing. So there's the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. There's the Trade

00:13:30.720 Act of 1974, tail end of Nixon, beginning of the Ford administration. And then there's the one that was in

00:13:36.400 question from the International Trade Court, which is the IEEPA, the Jimmy Carter era statute. Now,

00:13:42.800 the Trade Court did not touch the 1962 or the 1974 statute. So for instance, a lot of the tariffs,

00:13:48.640 when it comes to steel, aluminum, automobiles, none of that was touched here. If I understand

00:13:53.000 correctly, the focus of this court was primarily on the reciprocal tariffs, but the Federal Circuit is

00:13:57.360 basically saying, you know, put a pause button on this. Steve, the real issue is when you have

00:14:01.080 this rollout that judges get to just put a stop to there. I mean, markets, investors,

00:14:07.520 traders, anyone involved in commerce, you need some sort of stability here. So when you have this

00:14:11.740 kind of litigation, it's kind of willy-nilly, the judge does this, the appellate court does that

00:14:16.460 there. That is not the way to achieve success. But ultimately, I think these people don't really

00:14:20.220 care about success. What they fundamentally care about is just getting Donald Trump.

00:14:24.460 Josh, hang on for a second. The great Josh Hammer joins us. Also, some questions. He's got a

00:14:29.280 magnificent book out about Israel. I want to talk to him about this entire fracas we have right now 1.00

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00:16:33.380 So, Hammer, are we in—we talked about this coming constitutional crisis. We're in it right now,

00:16:39.080 are we not? Yeah, Steve, we are knee-deep in a constitutional crisis, and we're knee-deep

00:16:44.920 in a constitutional crisis not because Donald Trump is a dictator, fascist, Nazi, Stalin, 0.95

00:16:50.560 whenever they want to call him. No. I mean, we are in a constitutional crisis right now because 0.94

00:16:54.020 Donald Trump is facing an unprecedented judicial insurrection, the likes of which no president

00:16:58.940 in this country has faced since wartime President Abraham Lincoln himself, dealing with Roger

00:17:03.880 Taney and chattel slavery and a genuine, literal insurrection, the likes of which we have never

00:17:10.040 seen before. And there's ultimately only one way that this is going to end. This is kind of the

00:17:14.600 craziest point to me, Steve. The craziest point to me is that the judiciary, including the International

00:17:19.720 Court of Trade earlier today, which, by the way, that's a partisan court, by the way. This is

00:17:23.920 actually one of those Article I congressionally created courts deep in the bowels of the executive

00:17:29.320 branch. It has partisan designations. You have to have certain Republican nominees, Democrat nominees.

00:17:34.260 You know, so the media was reporting that, oh, a Trump appointee to the International Court of

00:17:38.700 Trade was the one who struck down these tariffs. But yeah, it was technically a Trump nominee from the

00:17:43.220 first term, but he was literally a Democrat because it is statutorily required that you have a certain

00:17:47.820 partisan Republican-Democrat mix on that court. So the media just disingenuous and dishonest,

00:17:52.260 as always. But we're in this crisis, and the judiciary, more generally speaking, whether it's

00:17:56.680 these executive branch courts like the trade court or the bread and butter of the Article III federal

00:18:00.640 courts, they have to know they're not going to win. They are not going to win this because they still

00:18:05.420 are literally, as Hamilton told us in Federal 78, they literally are the least dangerous branch.

00:18:10.440 And they have neither force nor will, but merely judgment. They literally depend, as Hamilton again said,

00:18:15.160 on the efficacy of the executive branch, even for the enforcement of their own judgments.

00:18:20.160 They do not have the tools in their checks and balances and their separation of powers in their

00:18:24.300 toolkit to win this in the long term. The only question is, how long is it going to take for

00:18:29.480 them to learn the message? And how much can Congress and President Trump, how much can the other two

00:18:34.100 branches turn the screws to deliver the message there? So I've been all in, you know, me, Mike Davis,

00:18:38.840 all of us at Article III Project, we've been all in trying to get all tools on the table, whether it's

00:18:42.740 judicial impeachment of bozos like Judge Boasberg in D.C., whether it's trying to jurisdiction strip

00:18:48.520 legislation, whether it's trying to potentially abolish entire judgeships. There is a lot. There's

00:18:53.620 a lot that Congress and the president can do to get the judiciary to understand the message there.

00:18:58.160 But this judicial insurrection, Steve, has to stop because we are absolutely in a constitutional

00:19:02.040 crisis and is a crisis entirely of Article III's own making.

00:19:04.800 Okay. But there's zero. Would you not agree with me? There's zero appetite. I mean, Mike Davis,

00:19:12.760 you guys laid out a quite brilliant menu of what should be of what should happen at over at the

00:19:19.940 House to kick things off impeachment hearings, even investigations, calling guys in to be questioned

00:19:26.080 publicly, cutting off $2 billion of the 10 they get to send a signal that they're not going to get

00:19:33.160 fully funded, cut out some some jurisdictions. There was zero appetite by the heroes up in the

00:19:40.100 House to even address any of that. Was it not, sir? I totally agree with you. There's there should be

00:19:47.040 more appetite. I mean, look, you have some some congressmen like like Brandon Gill, the first term

00:19:51.560 congressmen from Texas who's kind of been the tip of the spear when it comes to judicial impeachment

00:19:55.200 efforts there. When it comes to some of the some of the bolder stuff, when it comes to trying to strip

00:19:59.460 jurisdiction there, there's really not a whole lot of appetite there. Frankly, I would hope for a lot

00:20:03.820 more from from Chairman Jim Jordan on the House Judiciary Committee and folks like that. Look, you

00:20:08.500 definitely have some folks here. I mean, Chip Roy is knows it knows a thing or two about the law. I

00:20:13.560 think I think Congressman Roy would be very well positively inclined towards a lot of what we at

00:20:17.840 Article III Project are preaching there. But you're totally right, Steve. I mean, you know, when we say

00:20:21.440 these things, there are only a smaller handful of congressmen, you know, Andy Biggs. I mean,

00:20:26.600 to be clear, there definitely are some people who get it there. But but but it's pretty much slim

00:20:31.800 pickings. And I think I think the reason that it's slim pickings is because even in many Republican

00:20:36.620 capital Republican Party circles, this broader myth of the of judicial supremacy that that the judiciary

00:20:42.820 can do no wrong and that no matter what they say, even if it's a bare five to four decision of the

00:20:48.220 Supreme Court there, it is automatically the law of the land. And this is just this. It's a mind

00:20:54.380 virus. It's a total mind disease. The same way that so-called separation of church and state is 0.84

00:20:58.880 a lie. But people think that it's there because it's been repeated ad infinitum for decades and

00:21:03.460 decades. So, too, do people think that the judiciary has the final binding say on all things legal,

00:21:10.580 constitutional or statutory or otherwise, because it's just been it's just been repeated by everyone

00:21:14.660 for decades and decades. And when you just tell a lie, Steve, for long enough and long enough and

00:21:18.340 long enough, eventually it just seeps into the broader body politic.

00:21:22.820 You went to Chicago Law School, right?

00:21:25.540 Yes, sir.

00:21:27.100 So you're you're particularly twisted because that's one of the toughest law schools in the

00:21:30.660 country. But you guys at Chicago, they have an angle of attack the way that you're taught the law,

00:21:36.640 correct?

00:21:38.660 You Chicago is probably known best for developing the law and economics curriculum. That was kind of

00:21:43.080 big thing back in the 1960s. That's actually kind of why I went there in the first place. I studied

00:21:47.620 economics in college, briefly worked in economic consulting in Washington, D.C. for two years

00:21:51.840 between college and law school. So, you know, this was 12 years ago now. But when I first decided to

00:21:56.020 go to University of Chicago for law school, it was largely because of that law and economics background.

00:21:59.960 You know, back back in the day, Steve, back during the Reagan era, University of Chicago Law School

00:22:04.180 was was a firmly right of center law school. And that continued really into the 1990s, arguably even into the

00:22:09.860 early 2000s. Unfortunately, my alma mater has has taken a leftward turn, but it's probably still

00:22:14.440 better than most of its other peer institutions overall.

00:22:17.520 But it has a it has a frame of reference. I have shifted left.

00:22:21.600 Isn't correct me if I'm wrong, but President Trump and part of its anti-Semitism, but it's deeper than

00:22:28.500 that. It's it gets to your book. It's anti the Judeo-Christian West. It's anti-Western

00:22:33.880 civilization. The his confrontation with Harvard and the confrontation with the big law firms

00:22:42.460 and the confrontation on judicial supremacy. Isn't that one thing? Right. It's it's connected.

00:22:50.600 Harvard and these places are the breeding ground of it. The law firms is where it gets exacerbated

00:22:56.000 and they get promoted and then they get into the into these neo-Marxist get into the judiciary.

00:23:01.220 And this is why we have the problem. And so the assault on those or the I should say the

00:23:06.340 confrontation of those is actually a fundamental fight about the direction of this country and

00:23:12.560 who actually controls this country, sir. Yeah. So Harvard is the tip of the spear,

00:23:18.940 literally, actually, because, I mean, let's think about the affirmative action litigation that

00:23:22.920 reached the Supreme Court just two years ago in 2023. That case was students for fair emissions

00:23:26.980 versus Harvard College. I mean, Harvard was Harvard lost that case, Steve, that, you know,

00:23:31.160 they have not exactly responded in kind. But when President Trump signed probably his single most

00:23:37.200 dynamic and paradigm shifting executive order of his entire presidency so far, and he signed a lot,

00:23:42.420 to be clear. But in my opinion, it was that DEI executive order on January 20th that that,

00:23:49.220 among other things, interpreted the affirmative action case, the students for fair emissions case

00:23:53.140 of 2023. It interpreted that as banning DEI in general and any thumb on the scale that would

00:23:59.680 discriminate against white people, Asian people, Christians, Jews, Mormons, essentially against

00:24:04.480 anyone in this neo-Marxist dichotomy, as you say, between oppressors and oppressed. And to tie it into

00:24:10.660 my book, Israel and Civilization, yes, this is part of the broader assault on the West for numerous 0.53

00:24:15.940 reasons. But I argue in the book, Steve, that the singular underlying ethical underpinning of all that we call

00:24:23.040 Western civilization of the entire biblical worldview, the entire biblical inheritance,

00:24:27.760 if I had to really pinpoint one verse, one verse from the entire Bible that really undergirds all

00:24:32.900 this, in my humble opinion, it would be Genesis 127. You know, so in Latin, that would be Imago Dei.

00:24:39.840 In Hebrew, we would say,

00:24:41.520 This is the imperative that God made man in his own image, male and female, he created them.

00:24:46.720 This is the undergird for all of Western civilization. You know, when John Locke

00:24:50.480 wrote in his second treatise in 17th century England, about about natural rights to life,

00:24:56.040 liberty and property, when Jefferson kind of borrowed that Lockean language writing the

00:24:59.460 declaration in 1776 there, they weren't writing these things in a vacuum. They were talking about

00:25:04.460 the inalienable equal dignity and human worth of human beings there, because they were writing in 0.70

00:25:09.600 a certain contextual milieu there. And that is Genesis 127. That is the Bible, the Judeo-Christian 0.62

00:25:15.000 tradition, more broadly speaking, there. When you abandon that, when you abandon Genesis,

00:25:19.580 when you abandon the Bible, more broadly speaking, you're going to really dangerous territory. And

00:25:23.100 among the things that you're going to go to is affirmative action, DEI, all the various things

00:25:28.200 that reject Imago Dei, that reject Genesis 127, are going to put an overt thumb on the scale

00:25:33.640 in favor of bolstering certain ethnicities, nationalities, religions, then punishing

00:25:38.480 certain ethnicities, nationalities, religions. That is ultimately, Steve, how the West goes to die.

00:25:42.720 That's at least what I argue in my book.

00:25:45.480 And talk to me, we got a minute or two, I want to hold you through the break,

00:25:48.300 because I want to get into this Persian situation. How does that, talk to me, how does that play out

00:25:55.240 now, this about the defense of Western civilization? How's it playing out

00:25:59.960 in what's happening at Harvard, the big law firms, and this judicial insurrection?

00:26:06.800 Well, the big law firms have increasingly become just a total cancer on the body politic. I mean,

00:26:11.240 these people have been at war with anything remotely resembling Americanism or Westernism for decades.

00:26:18.080 I mean, I remember Jenner and Block, which is one of the many big law firms that Donald Trump has

00:26:22.200 appropriately gone after. I remember Jenner and Block back during the Bush administration,

00:26:26.720 this is back when I was in high school. I mean, they became infamous nationwide,

00:26:29.960 for defending al-Qaeda terrorists at Gitmo and doing it on a pro bono basis. I mean,

00:26:34.840 you know, this is subversive behavior. I mean, this is domestic fifth column behavior there. 0.92

00:26:39.640 These are not people that are ultimately out to serve the common good. They are ultimately out

00:26:43.180 to tear down. And I think fundamentally, that is what is happening there. And Donald Trump,

00:26:47.180 as in many other instances, I think is fundamentally seeking to uphold the Americanist and Western

00:26:51.120 worldview.

00:26:53.180 Can you hang on for a second, Josh? I just want to hold you through the break.

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00:29:19.220 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:29:21.680 Josh, first of all, a couple of people in the engine room and asked,

00:29:26.800 why are you not in the White House or why are you not volunteering to be special counsel

00:29:29.760 that President Trump needs to prosecute the deep state?

00:29:32.420 I know your work at Article 3 is important in your columns and all that,

00:29:36.820 but why are you not in the White House, sir?

00:29:38.900 I've never been asked that point blank, Steve, to be honest with you. I mean, I live in Florida.

00:29:45.960 I don't even live in Washington, D.C. You know, look, I'm always happy to take a phone call if

00:29:51.460 someone wants to, you know, inquire. You know, without revealing too many details, I did have

00:29:56.340 some informal conversations during the transition period there. But, you know, Steve, on a personal

00:30:01.380 level, we just had our first baby, our first daughter in December. My in-laws live here. So

00:30:06.020 living in Florida is kind of best for not just professional but also just very personal reasons

00:30:10.660 right now. So I don't necessarily see it happening, but I'm always happy to answer the phone if someone

00:30:13.880 wants to call. You've written this incredible book about Israel and the civilization, Israel in the

00:30:21.640 West. A guy I know you know well, a guy I admire, one of the smartest guys about the Constitution,

00:30:27.660 the single smartest guy named Mark Levin. There's a big, you know, I guess, disagreement,

00:30:34.840 you can say Kristi Noem goes over to deliver the message to Netanyahu once again. President Trump's

00:30:39.560 got Witkoff. They got a plan. They're going to go down and negotiate. It's either verification

00:30:44.680 or it's a dismantling. We don't know the details of it yet, but there's no support whatsoever of

00:30:51.240 American involvement, but not even support of Israel doing it on its own. This is getting to be

00:30:55.800 a bigger and bigger firestorm. The other day, we had Rabbi Walicki given one side

00:31:01.000 a couple of days ago. Then we had Kurt Mills over the American conservative given the other side.

00:31:06.280 I mean, is Netanyahu's just the inability to read the room? Because you know President Trump as well

00:31:12.520 as anybody on this issue. We haven't had a more pro-Israel president ever than President Trump.

00:31:17.960 He's got Huckabee over there as his ambassador, but he's got a very set way he's looking to do this,

00:31:24.280 particularly in the overall arc from Kursk to Kiev to the whole arc of instability. The last thing he

00:31:33.000 wants is more gunfire, bombing, or kinetic activity. Your thoughts, sir?

00:31:41.400 Well, there's lots to unpack here, of course. I watched your entire exchange, Steve, with Rabbi

00:31:45.480 Walicki. Rabbi Walicki is also a friend of mine. I watched the entire exchange. I thought it was great.

00:31:50.360 I thought you guys both made very good points. You mentioned Mark Levin. Mark's a friend as well.

00:31:55.080 I'm friends with both of you guys there. Look, this is a tough issue. This is a tough issue,

00:31:59.080 partially because it's been around for a long time. We've been hearing about Iran's nuclear

00:32:03.240 program for probably 25, 30 years now, arguably even further than that. There have been some people

00:32:09.560 who have been calling for direct military action, people like John Bolton in that category,

00:32:13.880 for probably close to 15 years or so. Who am I to say that now is really the time?

00:32:19.880 I mean, I simply don't get the president's daily briefing. I don't get the intelligence

00:32:23.640 that the US, Israel, or any other countries does. I have no idea, frankly, just how close Iran is

00:32:29.080 to actually getting enough enriched uranium to be able to put it on a warhead. So that's not really

00:32:34.600 my position, frankly, to be able to judge here. Here are a few things I will say. One, Steve,

00:32:39.560 that I will say is I have never once ever in my entire adult life called for direct US military

00:32:44.920 action on Iran. Never. I have never said that. It's not my book. It's not my stance. I've never once

00:32:48.600 said it. My stance was actually essentially what Donald Trump did the first time around.

00:32:53.000 I thought that the so-called maximum pressure campaign was actually working quite well on

00:32:56.600 the mullahs, bringing them to essentially close to the brink of bankruptcy. You definitely could 1.00

00:33:01.480 begin by re-upping sanctions on their oil and natural gas exports. I heard you and Eric Bolling

00:33:06.360 talking about that a little bit at the beginning of the show when it comes to the Chinese Communist

00:33:09.400 Party. That's the number one importer of Iranian oil there. When it comes to the ongoing diplomacy

00:33:15.240 between the Steve Whitcoff-led American team and the Iranians, look, like literally any 1.00

00:33:20.680 other American, any other America first MAGA patriot, I strongly prefer diplomacy to anything

00:33:26.040 else. But again, to go back to what Eric was saying, and I think that you would agree with this,

00:33:30.600 Steve, you're dealing here with the most deceitful people on the face of the earth.

00:33:33.720 I mean, the mullahs have been lying to the United States, to everyone, like literally everyone for 1.00

00:33:39.080 25, 30 years. They go to extraordinary lengths to hide the progress of their nuclear program.

00:33:45.000 And let's recall that while Iran is an existential threat to Israel, it's not quite an existential

00:33:50.120 threat to America. It's definitely a threat to America. This regime has had American blood on its

00:33:53.720 hands going back at least as far as the event that formed the regime, the Jimmy Carter era hostage

00:33:59.960 crisis. They chant death to America in their Potemkin legislature every single day. So you

00:34:04.920 don't want these guys to get a nuke. Now, if it can be done via diplomacy, I'm all in for that. I am

00:34:11.400 skeptical simply because of who we are dealing with. I'm not skeptical of President Trump's

00:34:15.320 intentions at all. I am simply skeptical of the nature of the counterparty. But I mean,

00:34:20.680 let's see what happens. I mean, it's still ongoing right now. And my stance at this exact time is,

00:34:26.360 you know, let Donald Trump chew. I mean, I mean, let him burn. Let's see what happens. 0.97

00:34:31.720 But you bring up something and I don't hear that at the forefront today. This is why I keep banging

00:34:35.960 the table. Go back to the maximum pressure campaign. This is what President Trump and a

00:34:41.160 team. And I was part of that came up the first time because as a young naval officer, I was there

00:34:44.920 at the beginning in the workup to the hostage crisis. Right. When our when our battle, you know,

00:34:50.840 our destroyer squadron got called over there when the when the hostages were taken. And it was all

00:34:56.040 new territory. I mean, the United States had no assets. This is why giving up Diego Garcia,

00:35:00.520 like the British did, is such a such a body blow. But the maximum pressure campaign 1.00

00:35:06.920 was bringing the mullahs to its knees and causing amazing dissension inside of Persia, 1.00

00:35:12.120 where the Persian people said we've had enough of this. Why are we not? Do you agree right now we're 0.98

00:35:17.640 nowhere close to a maximum pressure campaign on economic and diplomatic pressure, sir?

00:35:22.120 I do agree with that. And I would like to see that dramatically escalate. Now,

00:35:26.680 Biden took a lot of sanctions off of Iran. As we know, he funded the mullahs. There was that absurd 0.99

00:35:32.200 exchange of five American hostages for six billion dollars, literally one point two billion dollars

00:35:37.160 of hostage. That was in September 2023, just a few weeks prior to the October 7th pogrom in Israel.

00:35:42.920 So Joe Biden undid a lot of the Donald Trump first term era maximum pressure campaign.

00:35:48.440 Trump has has put some new sanctions on to Iranian weapons manufacturers, arms dealers,

00:35:54.200 things like that there. But there is a lot left to do. There was a lot of meat left on that bone,

00:35:59.480 so to speak. The easiest way to make this regime hurt is energy. This is this is essentially

00:36:06.120 a petroleum led country. They don't really have a whole lot of advanced industries, advanced technologies,

00:36:11.880 really anything there. This is, you know, this is not even the UAE or Bahrain. I mean,

00:36:15.960 another country in that part of the world that is still primarily oil and natural gas driven there,

00:36:19.800 but also has banking, financial services there. No, Iran is really to this day a country whose

00:36:24.120 economy is very, very largely dependent on oil and natural gas there. And it seems to me like kind

00:36:29.880 of a very low hanging fruit proposition. You can kind of get a two for the price of one

00:36:33.880 if you just sanction the utter crap out of their oil and natural gas exports there. Again,

00:36:37.960 China is the number one importer there. I would very much like to see that happen right now.

00:36:42.200 Here's what I will say. I don't know exactly how you how you do that simultaneously with the

00:36:47.400 ongoing negotiations there. At least at least it depends how you are projecting yourself in

00:36:52.200 the negotiations. Right. I mean, so those two things don't necessarily go together so easily

00:36:57.160 there. It's probably achievable. But I share your point, Steve. I mean, to me,

00:37:01.400 this is really not kind of an A or B proposition there. It's not like we do nothing or we do like

00:37:07.400 a Barack Obama, JCPOA, give them a nuke. Or on the other hand, you know, you do regime change.

00:37:12.040 I mean, it's not an A or B proposition there. There was a very, very, very large,

00:37:16.440 sweet spot somewhere in the middle. It seemed to me like the first Trump term

00:37:19.320 Aramaxian pressure campaign really kind of hit that sweet spot.

00:37:21.480 Josh, where do people get your writings? Where can they get the book?

00:37:27.160 So the book is Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation, The Destiny of the West.

00:37:31.000 It's available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever you get your books. I'm on xjosh

00:37:35.480 underscore hammer. Instagram is joshbhammer. And then my show, The Josh Hammer Show,

00:37:39.240 is available everywhere podcasts are available. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you taking the time today.

00:37:44.520 Anytime, Steve. Thank you.

00:37:47.080 The convergence of these crises is going to be, because remember, it's 10 years ago on June 15th

00:37:55.640 that President Trump came down the golden escalator. People remember at CPAC that took place just 100

00:38:04.280 days before. I'm talking about the CPAC in 2015. Donald Trump, I think, came in seventh at just over

00:38:12.040 three percent. I think he had three and a half percent. And this is how he had been. It was right 1.00

00:38:19.080 before Super Tuesday. That's in 2015. Right. Not Super Tuesday. Super Tuesday is later. But it was

00:38:25.240 he is already out. He had been in Iowa. He'd been in New Hampshire. They'd had that been in South Carolina,

00:38:31.160 had that huge event in that they brought all the candidates together at the Sherman Theater in in

00:38:36.920 Iowa. President Trump was out and about finished, I think, seventh at three and a half percent. He

00:38:41.720 finished on the when he's at the top of the escalator. I think he's in seventh place on

00:38:49.960 general polling after he goes to the escalator and actually addresses the American people.

00:38:55.320 And people realize MAGA and so many of the think at Breitbart, we had five or six people there

00:39:01.000 that covered wall to wall that night. He went to number one and except for Dr. Ben Carson coming

00:39:08.680 close and kind of a tie in a poll that took place a couple of months later, President Trump was always

00:39:14.520 in first place. Why? He addressed the American people in a nomenclature and with ideas that they

00:39:22.760 talked amongst themselves or thought, but nobody had the political courage ever to talk about.

00:39:29.240 And guess what? It's the program that he is fighting for every single day. That was 10 years ago,

00:39:38.120 a decade. We've gone through a decade together. And those of you that were with us before,

00:39:44.040 from 14 on, it's been over a decade. But in this decade of everything that's gone on with President

00:39:49.720 Trump, everything that's gone on with the MAGA movement, and think about it for a second,

00:39:53.560 that come from behind. First off, the brutal and tough primary fight in 2015 and 2016,

00:39:59.960 that come from behind victory against Hillary Clinton, that the the massive revolt of the deep

00:40:06.120 state and a nullification project in his first term and the fight he had every day, you know, every day

00:40:12.280 there, the pandemic unleashed by the Chinese Communist Party to stop the economic flourishing that

00:40:18.440 President Trump had against all odds. The stolen election of 2020. In fact, as I said today, I was

00:40:26.440 talking to people at the New York Post, the heroic nature of the New York Post printing the laptop from

00:40:32.120 hell and everything that that involved in Joe Biden on national TV, a debate lying bald face lie in the

00:40:39.560 crushing of of the New York Post by Facebook, by Twitter at the time, by all the social media accounts.

00:40:47.960 Then the stealing of the 2020 election, the fight thereafter, President Trump then leaving to go to

00:40:53.960 Mar-a-Lago. You remember essentially the political nuclear winter of that early part of 2021 when Fox

00:40:59.480 News would never even put him up and they wouldn't cover him live because they feared he would talk

00:41:04.520 about the stolen election. The long journey back of 20 of the to the 24 primary in his victory then and then

00:41:14.680 this hand to hand combat in 2024 to win a sweeping victory across the board. This is all historic

00:41:23.400 over a decade. And you have been an activist. Some of you just recently adjoining or recently coming to the

00:41:30.520 the show. That's fine. Many of you here from the beginning, you like veterans of the American

00:41:35.080 Revolution. You understand this is a revolution. All that, everything that happened in that decade,

00:41:41.880 10 years your life is just a preamble for what's about to happen, because now we're in it, folks.

00:41:48.520 And you see the convergence of the kinetic part of the Third World War and what he's trying to do on

00:41:52.680 peace. You see what's happening on trying to stop the invasion, which he has stopped.

00:41:57.640 Didn't take a decade. Didn't take Lankford's bill. It took a man that had an idea and a plan and

00:42:03.880 executed in 60 days to stop that. Now it's to deport the invader. The fight he's getting by the globalist

00:42:11.480 elite to still run this country. Don't think we run it. We have a foothold and we have a man,

00:42:17.720 a leader that is making decisions that are Herculean. This is why I say with all his

00:42:25.080 imperfections, he's at the level of General Washington. He's at the level of Lincoln.

00:42:30.280 And you have Trump. Then you got a next lot down. You got Reagan. You got FDR.

00:42:35.640 You got Teddy Roosevelt and others, Jackson. But that top three, you have the birth of the nation.

00:42:42.280 You have the rebirth of the nation. And you have the rejuvenation and the salvation of the nation.

00:42:48.600 And now we're in it. The next couple of hundred days, as all of this converges,

00:42:53.560 an economic and financial crisis, a constitutional crisis, and a kinetic Third World War that's now 0.67

00:43:00.080 upon us and upon the shoulders of one man to stop. The history is going to be made in the next couple

00:43:07.240 of hundred days will be talked about for the next couple of hundred years. Short break.

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00:44:44.920 It's so early does make you ask the question, is he sending a message to others? Hey, listen,

00:44:52.440 if you want something, just donate to a super PAC or be really vocal about me, be really vocal

00:45:00.920 about all the good that I'm doing. Give me a reason to help you by helping me.

00:45:08.040 I think that's absolutely right. And it's so funny because you don't really hear him talking about

00:45:13.480 draining the swamp too much anymore because he has fully embraced the swamp down in Washington.

00:45:20.280 It's also quite funny that he tries to present himself as somebody who's interested in serious

00:45:26.440 criminal justice reform when, as you point out, it's mostly about flattering his buddies or trying

00:45:33.480 to get something in exchange like the tariff policy was. It's about consolidating his power and also

00:45:38.600 having all of the countries come to him to make a deal so he can be, to borrow from George W. Bush,

00:45:44.200 the decider in these instances. But the Trump administration is a mass incarceration administration,

00:45:51.560 and that should not go unsaid when he's trying to position himself as anything but that. Pam Bondi is a

00:45:58.200 former lobbyist for a private prison company. Tom Holman, his border czar, is also heavily involved

00:46:05.880 in private prisons financially. And so this is not an administration that actually wants

00:46:11.640 to take on criminal justice reform. They are warehousing immigrants as we speak without due 1.00

00:46:16.600 process. As you. Hang on, hang on, hang on. This is the bald-faced lies they tell. And this is why

00:46:22.680 they're losing. She's a bald-faced liar. Nobody has done more on prison reform and work with prisoners 1.00

00:46:32.600 and is more anti-mass incarceration. The Democratic Party, and I say if somebody's in prison and you

00:46:39.560 talk to the black and Hispanic prisoners in there, they'll tell you. On August, on September 26th,

00:46:46.200 and Grace, we should put this up because you were involved in this, in prison, I put the only statement

00:46:50.600 I think I ever put out in prison about the coming victory over Kamala Harris. You know where I got that

00:46:55.800 from? The prisoners. Because Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party and that young lady right there, 1.00

00:47:02.040 they represent mass incarcerations. What he's doing with illegal aliens is not mass incarceration.

00:47:08.600 That's deportation of people that have no depressors rights and are going to get the hell out of this

00:47:13.240 country. President Trump, the first step act, asked the prisoners, ma'am, have you interviewed the

00:47:20.200 prisoners? His first step act is the boldest move ever against mass incarceration. Remember,

00:47:28.280 the Democratic Party and particularly the progressive part of the Democratic Party have been for mass

00:47:32.760 incarceration. So you know who knows that? The families of prisoners. What President Trump is for

00:47:38.600 is mass deportation of illegal aliens and they're going to get mass deported. It's for you to sit there

00:47:45.480 and Katie Turner, now for you to correct that bald-faced lie. And that was a bald-faced lie. 0.99

00:47:50.520 And Katie Turner, you know better. This is how corrupt MSNBC is. This is why they're kind of,

00:47:56.440 no offense, becoming more and more irrelevant. This is why African-American men are voting for 1.00

00:48:02.120 President Trump in the MAGA movement in record numbers. This is why the Hispanic community is 1.00

00:48:06.280 coming to President Trump in the MAGA movement in record numbers. This is why Star County, Texas,

00:48:11.720 where we lost by 60 points to Hillary Clinton in 2016. President Trump won by 16 points in 2024.

00:48:19.640 A county that's hardscrabbled with working class Hispanics right there on the border. 1.00

00:48:24.680 That's 97% Hispanic, 97% Hispanic. No, President Trump is 100% against mass incarcerations.

00:48:34.600 What he is for is the first step act to try to cut these ridiculously long prison sentences they get

00:48:43.080 from woke federal judges. So don't sit there and tell me he's for that. That is a bald-faced lie.

00:48:50.200 And you, ma'am, are a bald-faced liar. If you don't believe me, go to a federal prison and talk to the 1.00

00:48:58.200 inmates. Mike Lindell joins us. Mike Lindell, you're going up against this system in what they call

00:49:04.440 the trial of the century. Is it really the trial of the century, Mike Lindell? Do you got a shot

00:49:09.480 of winning? Are you going to get smoked in court in Colorado, sir?

00:49:14.520 Mike Lindell, Jr.: We are going to win, Steve. And it's all come down to this. We're the only ones that

00:49:19.720 have went all the way to jury trial now. And remember, they went after my pillow. My pillow is

00:49:26.280 being sued. We're the only company that's being sued. This is about right to free speech and

00:49:31.000 everything else. This is going to be the gateway to secure our elections. I really believe that. And

00:49:37.800 it's one of the most important cases in history. We're going to look back on it

00:49:41.080 even a year or two from now and go, wow, if that wouldn't have happened in Colorado

00:49:45.560 on June 2nd of 2025 with Mike Lindell, my pillow, we wouldn't get to where we're going to get to

00:49:53.560 because we've got to secure our elections before these midterms. These midterms are the most important

00:49:58.840 midterms in history. You see it in all the attacks right now, then the lies coming out. Steve, I spent

00:50:04.520 time in the prisons around Texas and giving them pillows and everything and doing speeches

00:50:10.840 there with my recovery network. And you're spot on. All of them. All of them are, you know,

00:50:17.160 that's the Democrats and stuff that have put the prisoners in there. And with that, no, back in the

00:50:25.080 90s, even, I mean, back then when they did, you know, they had all the, I was a crack cocaine user.

00:50:29.560 So I know all of the people that went in for 10 years and stuff for that. And so maybe, you know,

00:50:36.200 there's lies, lies, lies, but they've weaponized the system against us. The FBI came at me.

00:50:43.080 They still have my phone. For four and a half years now, we've been fighting them. They've

00:50:47.720 been attacking me every single day. And Donald Trump's in power. Why are they still attacking?

00:50:52.760 Because they don't want to secure our election. They want to have a free for all. They don't

00:50:57.640 want to have paper ballots hand counted. And we are going to win. Take that to the bank.

00:51:02.120 Looking forward to it. We're going to do live coverage of the press conference in the start

00:51:07.000 of the trial on Monday, live from Colorado with the great Colorado team of Real America's Voice.

00:51:13.240 Mike, sell me a pillow. We got about a minute.

00:51:15.800 Yeah, you got, yeah, you guys, we, my pillow really needs your help. So what we did is we put,

00:51:21.080 um, are there Giza dream sheets, which we have a lot in stock and we just lower the price just

00:51:26.600 for the war room posse $49.98 buy as many as you can. You want to support

00:51:31.880 this trial. We need the resources. We have to win promo code war room. If you buy today,

00:51:37.480 you get the free commemorative, my pillow 2.0, absolutely free with any purchase.

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00:51:53.480 It's a win, win, win. And you're helping what I believe is the trial of the century. We,

00:51:58.760 my pillow, my employee owned company needs your help now. And you're helping yourself.

00:52:03.160 We're not going to put a limit on them. Please buy everything. Let's break some records.

00:52:07.480 And, uh, and, uh, my employees love talking to the war room policy too. So call 800-873-1062 and tell

00:52:15.800 them that you got our back. Thank you. Mike, good on you. Okay. Next hour, we're going to get down to it

00:52:25.240 even deeper. Brian Costello, uh, Joe Allen, come back, join me about the coming apocalypse on jobs.

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Bannon's War Room - May 29, 2025

Episode 4522： Trump's Tariff Battle Wages On After Victory In Court

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