Bannon's War Room - Episode 4523： Judicial Insurrection Around Tariffs

00:00:00.080 Whiplash, a federal appeals court ruling President Trump's tariffs can't stay in place for now.

00:00:05.720 Temporarily pausing last night's ruling by the U.S. Court of International Trade

00:00:09.900 that had blocked most of the president's sweeping tariffs 0.77

00:00:12.780 and given the White House just 10 days to unwind them.

00:00:16.160 Three judges of the U.S. Court of International Trade disagreed

00:00:19.800 and brazenly abused their judicial power to usurp the authority of President Trump

00:00:23.940 to stop him from carrying out the mandate that the American people gave him.

00:00:27.780 President Trump relied on emergency powers outlined in a 1977 law to enact many of his tariffs,

00:00:34.020 but the court said that use is impermissible, not because it is unwise or ineffective,

00:00:38.900 but because that law does not allow it.

00:00:41.540 Small businesses in a dozen states had filed the lawsuits.

00:00:45.060 It's just been surreal.

00:00:46.900 Victor Schwartz is the lead plaintiff and the founder of VOS Selections,

00:00:50.840 a small New York-based wine company.

00:00:52.840 The tariffs are a cash flow killer, particularly impactful for a small business.

00:00:58.580 This kind of uncertainty is terrible for business.

00:01:01.960 It's impossible.

00:01:03.440 You're just guessing.

00:01:04.680 The president still has other means of imposing tariffs on imported goods,

00:01:08.200 and the White House says it will keep negotiating with other countries

00:01:11.320 to reduce trade barriers on American products, despite the uncertainty.

00:01:15.720 Well, look, I think they don't know what to make of it, obviously.

00:01:18.360 They're not experts in our legal system.

00:01:19.720 They don't understand what laws the president can and cannot invoke when it comes to these tariffs.

00:01:25.400 And what they've seen is, you know, on any given day, the bottom line seems to be the opposite.

00:01:31.720 It was the day before, whether because of legal challenges or because of the president himself, right?

00:01:35.980 Just the other day, he said 50 percent tariffs on the European Union.

00:01:39.320 Whoops.

00:01:39.580 A day later, no, let's not do that.

00:01:41.540 Even this ruling that got stayed today didn't cover certain tariffs on automobiles and others that were invoked under a different law.

00:01:51.760 So I think it's very confusing for trading partners, and they don't know where it's going to end up.

00:01:56.180 And because you don't know where it's going to end up, like your wine dealer said in the interview earlier,

00:02:00.320 you don't know what kind of plans to make as a business.

00:02:02.440 You don't know what kind of plans to make as a trading partner.

00:02:04.160 You don't know what kind of deals you need to make because you don't understand exactly where the president might decide his policy is going to be.

00:02:11.160 You don't know where to stand if the courts are going to allow him to do it.

00:02:13.800 Wall Street Journal, Republican political and policy advisor Karl Rove warns in a column titled Tariffs May Cost the GOP in 2026,

00:02:22.900 he argues that the administration's tariff messaging is a muddled mess, saying, quote,

00:02:27.340 unless reciprocity, the policy that if countries lower their tariffs will lower ours, unless that prevails,

00:02:34.260 the president's chaotic trade talk will badly damage Republicans in the midterms.

00:02:39.040 Rove goes on to point out that in May 17th, Truth Social post, President Trump demanded Walmart eat the tariffs.

00:02:46.960 The president can blast all caps, posts, all he likes.

00:02:50.300 But inevitably, Rove says, parents will be unhappy with his tariffs when it's time to outfit the kids for school.

00:02:57.580 The 10-day deadline clock for the administration to stop collecting nearly all the tariffs is ticking, according to that court.

00:03:04.880 Is the president going to defy the court's order?

00:03:07.440 So there's so much to unpack there, Elizabeth.

00:03:10.500 I'm standing here listening for about 10 minutes, like all these things going on.

00:03:14.200 I mean, let's start with Karl Rove.

00:03:15.640 Karl Rove is the guy who lost to Georgia's two Senate seats for us.

00:03:20.520 And his day has passed about for a decade ago.

00:03:24.860 He hates the tariffs.

00:03:26.000 He hates Donald Trump.

00:03:27.440 Anything he says is totally discounted.

00:03:30.300 And he said the same stuff during the first term.

00:03:32.360 He said that consumers were going to eat the tariffs.

00:03:35.080 They did not.

00:03:36.000 Shame on you, Karl Rove.

00:03:37.120 When are you going to learn, sir?

00:03:38.940 With respect to the market, you're talking about, you seem to indicate that the markets were excited about this court ruling.

00:03:46.620 The fact of the matter is the market's flat today on this ruling because nothing's really changed.

00:03:52.940 What Ed should have and could have added to his analysis was the fact that the court itself said that the Trump administration can accomplish the same things using different authorities under the law.

00:04:07.180 And so you're saying that there's Bush or Obama or Biden.

00:04:10.660 It's a bipartisan endeavor.

00:04:12.060 However, this administration, the Trump administration, first time to sort of vilify the judiciary in this way, to put out names, photographs, accuse them of being part of the deep state.

00:04:24.900 As we talked about yesterday when this news was breaking, you know, suggesting that it was a judicial coup, that this was something, an effort to thwart not just the will of the presidency, but the people.

00:04:35.300 And talking about it in sort of incendiary terms that I know worries quite a few folks.

00:04:41.460 I think the theme of the last two stories that we've been talking about are welcome to democracy.

00:04:48.580 Welcome to our system.

00:04:50.760 It's not a judicial coup.

00:04:53.380 Our system, for as long as these short-memoried people may or may not remember, has been a three-branch system of government in which other branches have a say.

00:05:04.400 And when you go back to the Elon Musk story, it's the same story.

00:05:10.360 He didn't just leave.

00:05:12.140 He's not just slipping out of Washington.

00:05:14.840 He was chased out of Washington by democracy, by people saying no, by people protesting so much around his cars and dealerships that he lost billions and billions of dollars, by people raising their voices, by people filing lawsuits.

00:05:30.880 And, by the way, you know, Donald Trump was saying, I think he wrote, he will always be with us.

00:05:36.160 That's something that Rev might say in a eulogy for someone.

00:05:40.740 So he will always be with us.

00:05:43.160 I mean, you know, and I just want to say we can tell the Elon story and this kind of disciplining by democracy as a story of someone leaving.

00:05:52.400 But there is pain in the wake of these tariffs, and there's pain in the wake of what Elon did.

00:05:59.400 He talked about bringing the wood chipper to USAID.

00:06:03.800 Brooke Nichols, Boston University professor, mathematician, figured out what is the effect of this.

00:06:09.540 They have a tracker of 300,000 deaths.

00:06:14.040 According to a Boston University professor, because of the aid cuts so far, 200,000 of them children.

00:06:22.360 OK, Vietnam War, you all remember that?

00:06:23.900 60,000 U.S. service members died.

00:06:26.740 This is five times more deaths, according to the Boston University study, because of aid cuts since January of this year.

00:06:36.000 So Elon Musk is leaving, but he's also leaving a legacy.

00:06:40.900 But I think it's really important that people remember the courts work.

00:06:45.200 Joe and I have been having a 10-year conversation about our institution standing up or not.

00:06:49.180 The courts work still, not perfectly, there's problems.

00:06:52.260 But the courts work, lawsuits work, and pressure works.

00:06:55.700 And people raising their voice works.

00:06:58.900 And it's not just that Washington always wins.

00:07:01.120 I think the people always win.

00:07:02.600 Judiciary and Democrats filing lawsuits, this has got to stop, by the way.

00:07:07.940 This weaponization of the judiciary to stop President Trump from doing what he promised the American people, this has got to stop.

00:07:19.140 The people of America have the lowest level of confidence in the American judiciary they've had in 100 years.

00:07:27.980 And it's getting close to what they think about Congress.

00:07:33.180 And that's a low bar to hit.

00:07:34.420 How much of that is because every time you get a court decision you don't like, you and your colleagues come out here and rail against road judges.

00:07:41.320 See, who is this guy?

00:07:42.880 Tell me who you are, sir.

00:07:43.940 I'm Andrew Feinberg.

00:07:44.880 I work for the independents.

00:07:46.100 Okay, so that is such a biased question.

00:07:48.440 That is not a journalist question.

00:07:50.260 That was like an op-ed, sir.

00:07:51.940 So I don't even respond to that.

00:07:54.100 Who else has got an intelligence?

00:07:55.120 Yes, ma'am.

00:07:55.660 Well, Brett, it seems highly inappropriate for the judiciary to weigh it in here when the Senate had the opportunity to override the president and didn't.

00:08:07.840 So, you know, in terms of separation of powers, the Senate has chosen not to exercise their powers.

00:08:15.700 And the president absolutely has the right to set the trade agenda for the U.S.

00:08:22.200 We are, this administration is committed to fair trade, and we are striking the best deals for the American people.

00:08:31.860 And anything that the courts do to get in the way, both harms the American people in terms of trade and in terms of tariff revenue.

00:08:40.480 Personal income is up eight-tenths, up eight-tenths of a percent.

00:08:44.840 That is almost triple the expectations.

00:08:48.080 And it underscores, we could talk about a lot of issues, but when you look at income for the first four months of the year, they're powerful numbers, Joe.

00:08:57.220 Up six-tenths in January, up seven-tenths in February, up a half and one percent last month, up eight-tenths this month.

00:09:04.600 This is a great four-month start to any year.

00:09:07.700 Now, with the income shooting up, and by the way, eight-tenths is the strongest income month-over-month jump since May of 21, when it was 1.9.

00:09:17.280 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:09:24.640 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:09:29.860 Here's the reason I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:09:34.140 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:09:36.080 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:09:37.480 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:09:40.160 It's going to happen.

00:09:41.420 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:09:44.820 Mega Media.

00:09:45.740 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:09:51.660 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:09:55.360 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:10:01.760 War Room.

00:10:02.580 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:10:10.320 It's Friday, 30 May, year of LR 2025.

00:10:13.380 Magnificent cold open right there.

00:10:15.140 You see the turmoil that President Trump's policies are in.

00:10:19.420 Let's just go back.

00:10:20.220 You have three big lines of work.

00:10:22.520 Number one is to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War, all the way in that arc of instability from Kursk to Kiev, down through the Mediterranean.

00:10:32.980 Israel, Gaza, all the way to Persia, the Red Sea, all of it, President Trump trying to do the heavy lift there.

00:10:39.500 But this is tied to trade.

00:10:41.320 Also, you've got the deportations, the courts right now.

00:10:45.360 And this is important about tariffs.

00:10:46.620 Yesterday, so what they've done is challenged his Article II powers as commander-in-chief.

00:10:53.060 Remember, on the deportations back to Venezuela in Central America, he's declared an emergency, a national emergency on an invasion.

00:11:03.580 And he says he can deport all these, including starting with the bad hombres, right? 0.90

00:11:07.520 On trade, what they did is said we have a national emergency because of one million fentanyl deaths in human trafficking.

00:11:15.200 The subheading was about actual trade itself and the shipping of jobs.

00:11:20.800 That's what the court did yesterday.

00:11:22.220 The court took the entire argument on the emergency of why he's going after Canada, Mexico, and the Chinese Communist Party and actually just dismissed it, completely dismissed it as the courts are trying to dismiss about the invasion.

00:11:37.140 Remember, they had a leaked national intelligence estimate that Tulsi Gabbard caught after it was already leaked by the deep state people on her staff, and she fired those folks on the staff.

00:11:47.020 Brennan went nuts.

00:11:48.960 But you see this continuing constitutional crisis we're in.

00:11:53.160 It's not about to come.

00:11:54.080 It's here.

00:11:55.060 It's got to be rectified by the end of June before the Supreme Court goes home.

00:11:58.840 We cannot have 100 days in the summer that they come back in October unless this is dealt with.

00:12:05.460 And D.C. Drano, you know, Rogan O'Hanley is going to join with us later in the show as Mike Davis is.

00:12:10.760 I think Mike's calling in from Israel.

00:12:12.580 He's on a trip over there.

00:12:14.180 And about President Trump literally putting a shot across the bow of Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society.

00:12:20.100 People should understand this thing is ramping up.

00:12:22.800 And what President Trump is doing and his team is doing across the board is getting these recalcitrant Republican globalists, the Karl Rove's of the world and the Leonard Leo's of the world, and giving them a head slap and saying either get with the program or you're going to get off the program.

00:12:40.440 This is why Peter Navarro at the Styx yesterday is going off on Karl Rove, of course, in the globalist controlled opposition Wall Street Journal.

00:12:49.600 Once again, stunningly, Karl Rove is out there, you know, whining about the midterms, whining about the tariffs, whining about all of it.

00:12:57.700 President Trump's massive effort to bring manufacturing, high value added manufacturing jobs back to the United States.

00:13:04.280 Folks should understand two things here.

00:13:07.320 We told you this was going to be big, and it's big.

00:13:10.320 Go back to the 7th, 8th, and 9th of May, the 80th anniversary of Victory in Europe Day from the Russian perspective.

00:13:20.000 You had Lula in Brazil.

00:13:21.320 You had Xi and you had Putin all together.

00:13:23.540 This goes back to 2019 when President Trump and Lighthizer and Jameson Greer and Peter Navarro and others, Miller and myself, worked for two years to get a trade deal that was totally inextricably linked, the Chinese Communist Party, to the global economy.

00:13:39.640 After two years of negotiation, after they had the One Belt and One Road Conference in Shanghai with Putin, the first one they had, they tore it up and spit in our face.

00:13:47.920 And then, voila, 90 days later at the military games in Wuhan, people started getting sick.

00:13:53.880 President Trump was on a roll with a 3%.

00:13:55.620 Growth rate in his economy, no inflation, interest rates near all-time lows.

00:14:01.720 This is what's happened here.

00:14:02.960 If you notice the Russian assault on Ukraine, and we're all for ending this war immediately, we didn't want to have it begin in the first place.

00:14:10.300 There were calcitrants at the table on a rapprochement in Ukraine, and now the Chinese Communist Party told Besant, eh, I don't know.

00:14:16.580 It's going to be a while before we meet.

00:14:19.680 Part of that is Harvard and chasing the Chinese Communist Party guys from mainland China out of Harvard, and they're going to chase them out of every university in the country. 0.96

00:14:31.140 Report today, 350,000 Chinese students in engineering schools, artificial intelligence, all of it.

00:14:37.920 800 Americans in China, maybe mostly on languages and humanities.

00:14:42.660 They all got to go, and they got to be replaced by American students. 0.93

00:14:46.940 Short commercial break.

00:14:49.100 We're going to get down to it today.

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00:16:31.940 Okay.

00:16:33.000 One big aspect here that people should keep in mind, I've got Eric Tietzel from Center for Renewing America.

00:16:40.820 Tietzel, Center for Renewing America is kind of like Fort Apache, right?

00:16:45.220 All the colonels and field officers all went to the administration.

00:16:50.260 And we've got guys holding the floor.

00:16:51.980 I'm just kidding, Tietzel, you're a rock star.

00:16:53.500 But I am about to beat you up here on this, on the pocket recisions.

00:16:58.080 Your new greatest idea.

00:16:59.860 I'm not saying you bait and switch me, but we'll get to that in a second.

00:17:02.440 Hey, your thoughts.

00:17:03.880 You guys have been at the forefront of the – as public intellectuals with the Project 2025 guys, the America First Policy Institute, America First Law, all of it, of working through the president's agenda.

00:17:16.020 Walk me through what's happened in the last 48 hours both on the judicial insurrection, particularly with the tariffs now, and they're just dismissing the national security aspect of this and going back to the economics, which is not the way to look at it.

00:17:31.340 I would love to look at it that way.

00:17:32.660 I think you make a compelling argument.

00:17:33.920 If you have to go to, what is it, to 301s and 232s and all what we did in the first administration, it will take you three years.

00:17:41.400 If you go to Congress, it will take you ten years.

00:17:43.760 So give me your thoughts on that.

00:17:45.720 Put that in perspective for folks.

00:17:48.460 Yeah, it's all part of a bigger problem, which is judicial overreach.

00:17:52.220 These guys, as it showed in the clip that you started the show with today, they think they're a co-equal third branch of government and that they have this awesome responsibility to constrain the executive branch whenever they think it's gotten out of control.

00:18:05.720 That's not what the Constitution says.

00:18:08.460 In fact, what the Constitution says is that Congress gets to create courts to do some very specific things.

00:18:15.420 It never says that some federal district judge somewhere or some court that Congress created to deal with trade can stop the president from doing what is clearly within his executive power to do.

00:18:29.040 It was a relief to see that the circuit courts stepped in quite quickly to remedy yet another example of judicial overreach.

00:18:36.880 But we've got a huge problem on our hands.

00:18:39.820 It's a systemic problem, and it's a constitutional crisis, and we've got to get it figured out.

00:18:46.080 You agree.

00:18:47.000 We're in a constitutional crisis right now.

00:18:48.600 It's not about to come.

00:18:49.800 We're in the middle of it right now, and it's got to get resolved.

00:18:52.040 The Article II powers have got to be – his powers as commander-in-chief.

00:18:56.520 And listen, this is why we've got Rogan and Hanley on later.

00:18:59.920 We're the biggest advocates of just do what Lincoln did, start suspending the writ of habeas corpus, put them on an aircraft, and get them the hell out of here.

00:19:07.840 You're going to have to play hardball because these courts are – the courts – I think we have 180 federal court intrusions into President Trump's – the unified executive theory of the Article II, which he's chief executive officer.

00:19:25.800 So he can do it on the budget.

00:19:29.160 If it's not – if OMB is telling them the program is already done or it's not hitting it, he can impound the money or he can let people go.

00:19:37.260 So as commander-in-chief, he's got the inherent powers that Lincoln had, right?

00:19:41.880 You have massive inherent powers as commander-in-chief, and no court can step in between him and his commander-in-chief.

00:19:47.420 And number three is chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer.

00:19:50.220 We just had the House.

00:19:51.220 We had the big, beautiful bill.

00:19:52.980 We advocated taking of the $10 billion federal budget for the courts.

00:19:57.080 Let's lop two off. 0.99

00:19:58.240 I think Russ was all over that.

00:20:00.760 What happened to us there?

00:20:01.820 We've let – in the legislative process, we're letting these guys off the hook.

00:20:06.380 Nobody's been called up to be deposed publicly.

00:20:08.780 No impeachment effort has been moved.

00:20:10.540 We haven't cut off any – we haven't cut off any money.

00:20:13.140 We haven't gone in and just start downsizing these districts, have we, sir?

00:20:17.860 Has the Hill taken any action to back up President Trump here?

00:20:22.160 On judges, there's been a lot of conversation.

00:20:24.680 Some of these guys understand this issue, and they're taking it really seriously.

00:20:28.420 There have been some really good ideas proposed, things like banning district court shopping, right, limiting the jurisdiction of these decisions.

00:20:36.380 To the district where the decision happens.

00:20:39.420 Multiple judge panels, instead of letting one rogue liberal justice from San Francisco, determine the public policy of the United States.

00:20:46.600 There's all kinds of ideas out there.

00:20:48.640 The question is implementation.

00:20:50.780 How do you actually get it done?

00:20:52.400 You're not going to be able to pass any of these bills because you're going to need 60 votes in the Senate.

00:20:56.220 And obviously, the Democratic Party is not going to get on the other side of the one branch of government that has successfully done their bidding.

00:21:04.540 They certainly can't get it done, and they're relying on judges.

00:21:07.720 So this is going to have to happen either through the appropriations process, as you laid out, or because the president and his team step up and do exactly what President Lincoln did.

00:21:18.860 By the way, there's a huge difference between what President Lincoln did and what we're claiming that the Trump administration should think about doing and Barack Obama talking about having a pen and a phone, right?

00:21:32.140 There's executive overreach where you step outside the bounds of what the Constitution says the president is allowed to do.

00:21:39.660 That's what Barack Obama was talking about.

00:21:41.400 What we're talking about is a renewal to the constitutional powers that are explicitly laid out by the founders, and that includes his powers as commander-in-chief and all the other realms that you described, Steve.

00:21:54.080 Eric, if you buy into the fact that we're in a constitutional crisis right now, this has to be worked out.

00:22:00.900 Neither Roberts takes care of it or we've advocated – and I think President Trump is going to go full Andrew Jackson on you or full Abraham Lincoln.

00:22:09.480 But we're not to that point yet, but in a crisis, why is the House not doing – I mean, waiting for the appropriations process.

00:22:17.680 They're taking two weeks off now.

00:22:19.300 Why are they not all over this?

00:22:20.760 This is an emergency, and the legislative branch has got to step up here, sir.

00:22:26.120 Yeah, you're not wrong.

00:22:27.540 We would love to see more action on this.

00:22:30.520 It is time.

00:22:31.260 It is a crisis.

00:22:33.280 Congress is a lagging indicator.

00:22:34.980 They always have been, and they probably always will be.

00:22:37.560 The American people need to be demanding of their representatives to get in there and fight for these changes that need to happen, not for purely partisan political reasons, but because it is truly a constitutional crisis that affects all Americans of all political stripes.

00:22:53.060 This is not how we were meant to operate.

00:22:56.040 Teed, so let's go back to his Article 2 powers.

00:22:59.060 Why is the president just not impounding certain of this money, right?

00:23:03.960 I realize, Russ, and you guys are coming out with the first rescissions package next week.

00:23:08.000 It's $2 billion for PBS and NPR and another $7 billion of sundry cuts, and that's – I understand it's symbolic, and you want to get it through.

00:23:17.020 Why are we screwing around with rescissions? 0.89

00:23:19.260 These people on the Hill are completely and totally incompetent. 0.97

00:23:21.980 Why are we dealing with these guys? 0.96

00:23:23.480 The process is too slow.

00:23:24.700 They take too many days off.

00:23:26.020 They're not around.

00:23:26.780 There's no urgency.

00:23:27.760 There's no focus.

00:23:28.680 And quite frankly, there's not a lot of three-digit IQs up there.

00:23:32.140 We're not bringing our best.

00:23:34.420 So why are we doing this?

00:23:35.660 And I understand you've got now this theory, CRA is a back-of-pocket rescissions, which will come later in the year.

00:23:42.300 Why don't we just step up to the plate and – this is another thing.

00:23:45.200 Put it up in the court's face.

00:23:47.140 Let's impound this money and dare Roberts and dare these courts to try to challenge Trump once again on what's clearly laid out as his Article 2 powers, sir.

00:23:56.840 One of the things I love about you, Steve, is that you will run headfirst into a brick wall, and sometimes that's the right thing to do.

00:24:06.000 In this case, the strategy around appropriations and reinvigorating the Article 2 powers of the president when it comes to government spending require a slightly more strategic approach.

00:24:17.840 And it's going to start with this rescissions package, which is admittedly relatively small, $9.4 billion, the USAID money.

00:24:27.140 You've got money for NPR and PBS and those kinds of things, too.

00:24:30.460 This is kind of a trial balloon.

00:24:32.080 It's an opportunity for Congress to step up to the plate and do what so many of them have said they wanted to do, which was cut woke, wasteful, and weaponized government spending.

00:24:41.120 Here you go.

00:24:41.780 Here's $9 billion.

00:24:42.620 Here's the thing.

00:24:44.220 If they fail to do it, you can't ever rescind that money in a future package during this fiscal year.

00:24:50.680 It's one and done.

00:24:52.000 So they need to take this seriously.

00:24:53.980 If they fail to act, that's it.

00:24:55.880 And that's an explanation of why OMB and the president did not make the package bigger.

00:25:00.460 Because if they had done the $400 billion that Doge identified and Congress failed to pass it, poof, it's gone, and you can't ever get rid of it.

00:25:09.340 So they need to show that they are capable of doing this.

00:25:13.540 And if my entire lifetime is any evidence, they may not be capable of cutting government spending.

00:25:19.900 So we don't want to waste a whole bunch of ammunition on something that's doomed to fail.

00:25:24.900 There's a step-by-step process in place.

00:25:27.000 You put NPR and PBS in there for a billion each to kind of say, hey, if you don't vote for this, you're going to be a pariah back in your district essentially because you can't come back and do it again.

00:25:38.020 100%.

00:25:38.420 If you can't cut funding for NPR, how can we expect you to cut funding that might actually be hard to cut and harder to justify, right?

00:25:47.160 This is low-hanging fruit, and we'll see how it goes.

00:25:49.480 I got it.

00:25:50.440 And when is that test going to take place?

00:25:53.240 Package is coming over early next week.

00:25:54.960 He's numbering next week.

00:25:57.100 Okay, fine.

00:25:57.900 And they have 45 days to act.

00:26:00.140 So that's a key part of this.

00:26:01.940 Congress gets 45 days.

00:26:03.500 House and Senate both need to pass this thing. 0.99

00:26:06.160 They only need 50 votes.

00:26:07.460 It's a pure majority on the Senate side.

00:26:09.720 They don't have to pass all of it.

00:26:11.380 They can pick and choose from the list of budget authorities that the president is sending over.

00:26:15.820 But within that 45-day window, they need to make a decision.

00:26:21.160 If the 45 days passes and the House and Senate have not both passed these rescissions, the money continues to be spent.

00:26:30.220 It is obligated.

00:26:31.120 So it's really important that they get it done.

00:26:35.480 Don't bury the lead.

00:26:36.900 I just hear you say $400 billion of Doge cards because let me be blunt from the fantasy of two – here's why Doge hurt the process, and we're the biggest believers.

00:26:47.260 You've got to deconstruct the administrative state because it gave the political class up on Capitol Hill the same people that Russ Vogt has to make a package of only $9 billion to make it symbolic to see if he's got the votes because they're so cowardly.

00:27:01.620 He's got to put NPR and PBS in there and dare him, dare him to vote against it because they're so cowardly about this.

00:27:09.220 At first it was $165,000.

00:27:11.480 Russ said, and Elon kind of jumped on it, and the thing went from a two trillion to one trillion to $165,000.

00:27:16.220 You're $400 billion.

00:27:17.800 Did I hear you say that, $400 billion?

00:27:20.020 That's a number I've seen reported.

00:27:22.400 I don't know exactly what Elon would tell you if he had his spreadsheets in front of you, but I thought I had seen a number in excess of $400 billion that Doge had identified as being potential for good cuts.

00:27:34.660 But not the – this is – I want to – hang on for a second.

00:27:37.820 I want to bifurcate programmatic versus waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:27:43.280 The problem is they promised a trillion and let these guys off the hook.

00:27:47.240 That's where we got no real cuts coming in the big, beautiful bill.

00:27:50.760 It's going to be in appropriations, but it's $160 billion.

00:27:54.580 Mandatory cuts, Russ got in, bend the arc in the fifth year.

00:27:59.020 But we got a bond vigilante problem now.

00:28:02.780 We got – they're going to raise the debt ceiling to $4 trillion, and it's going to be two weeks after the midterm elections.

00:28:09.520 We're going to hit that in our calculation in August of 2026 before the midterms.

00:28:16.200 Short break.

00:28:17.380 Eric Tietzel from Fort Apache.

00:28:19.840 All next in the war room.

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00:29:36.300 Okay, since Tietzel says that, I run into brick walls in my head, and there's some truth there. 0.88

00:29:43.200 Tietzel, on impoundments versus the rescissions, in the pocket rescissions, President Trump, this constitutional crisis, as you so brilliantly outlined, is a direct challenge to his Article II powers.

00:29:55.840 The big thing on Article II powers right now is on his being the commander-in-chief and trying to stop, one, an invasion and to repel the invaders back to their home countries, number one.

00:30:07.940 Number two is to stop fentanyl and the human trafficking and use the basically entrance into the golden – through the golden door on tariffs.

00:30:18.020 Okay, so that's two parts of the same coin.

00:30:19.540 However, the other Article II power of being chief executive, his ability to work with OMB and figure out programmatically, right, programmatically exactly what's going on and make a conscious decision as chief executive and the concomitant decision of maybe letting people go,

00:30:36.560 is another Article II power.

00:30:39.740 That's right.

00:30:39.980 Why don't you just go and pound it right now?

00:30:42.740 Just let's lance the boil. 0.98

00:30:44.660 I just don't – and I realize – and Russ has done a great job on these mandatory cuts.

00:30:49.600 It's brilliant, first time it's ever happened.

00:30:51.940 But we're having – it's kind of nuanced, right, where people inside the apparatus kind of get it, but nobody else, including the capital markets, don't understand it.

00:31:01.420 Don't you think there's an argument to just get capital – because Lindsey Graham and these guys,

00:31:06.780 they're the ones demanding you come back up so it looks like they've done something, right, for the rescissions.

00:31:12.060 But right now you're sitting there with a little $9 billion package and you're kind of – who's going to whip this?

00:31:16.640 How are we going to get it done?

00:31:17.900 Why don't you just say screw them and pound the money and dare them to take you to court and then dare them – if they rule against you,

00:31:23.920 then dare them to stop Trump, to force Trump to spend the money because he won't spend the money.

00:31:28.840 He will never tell Scott Besson to – hey, go ahead and send the check.

00:31:32.180 He won't do that.

00:31:33.680 And if you're going to go full Andrew Jackson, hey, you can make all the rulings you want.

00:31:37.620 Go enforce them.

00:31:38.980 It's all inextricably linked into one thing.

00:31:42.660 This Article II powers of the office of the president, sir.

00:31:47.120 I love it.

00:31:51.060 I love the ferocity.

00:31:52.700 And there's a part of me that says, hell yeah, let's do that.

00:31:56.000 It's time to go.

00:31:56.720 It's obviously not my decision to make.

00:31:58.500 This is a decision the president has to make.

00:32:01.040 I keep thinking about Abraham Lincoln.

00:32:03.100 And your love of history, Steve, you know this.

00:32:05.760 The Emancipation Proclamation did not free all the slaves, right?

00:32:10.020 Lincoln could have gone further.

00:32:11.360 In fact, Frederick Douglass and the other abolitionists, they said, this guy is a squish. 1.00

00:32:15.460 He didn't even bother to free all the slaves.

00:32:17.700 He's another John Tyler.

00:32:18.960 Well, in fact, Lincoln was trying to be strategic and say, if I free all of the slaves, I'm going to have a real political problem on my hand.

00:32:27.400 But if I only free the slaves in the states that rebelled against the union, I'm on stronger ground to eventually win this war and get America to the place where it needs to be in fulfillment of its full promise, right?

00:32:40.520 So what we're talking about here is statesmanship.

00:32:44.460 It's looking at the situation on the ground and saying, we could go that route, and I think we know what the consequences are going to be if we do.

00:32:51.680 Or we could take this route, and it's a little slower, and it doesn't go as far as fast as we would all like for it to go.

00:33:00.380 But it has a much higher chance of ultimately succeeding.

00:33:04.040 So when it comes to impoundment, you're talking about declaring a federal law that's been on the books for 50 years unconstitutional and asking John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh to join the conservatives to make that ruling.

00:33:18.620 That's a hard lift.

00:33:19.660 We already have seen so many times we've been disappointed by the so-called conservative court.

00:33:25.840 So what you want to do to actually win that landmark case someday is have the ideal fact pattern in place to create a new precedent that does revive the president's powers of empowerment fully.

00:33:39.080 And he's on the firmest ground to do that in situations like being the commander-in-chief.

00:33:43.660 So that's why you don't do one fell swoop.

00:33:45.660 It may not be the right call, and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

00:33:49.540 This is both a constitutional crisis and a financial one.

00:33:53.480 This is the strategy they've chosen to deploy, and we'll see how it works out.

00:33:57.740 Remember, Lincoln didn't – the reason Frederick Douglass was upset, in areas he had control called states that were still in the union, he didn't free any slaves.

00:34:06.740 In areas that he had no control because they were still states, he never agreed that the Confederacy was a nation.

00:34:12.460 He never agreed that the states were in rebellion.

00:34:14.500 Certain elements in those states were in rebellion.

00:34:17.360 That was his legal definition.

00:34:19.620 He freed those with an executive order.

00:34:22.200 It's just an executive order.

00:34:23.480 Like Trump writes these executive orders.

00:34:25.360 The Emancipation Proclamation is nothing – it was an executive order.

00:34:28.520 It was going to run out.

00:34:29.340 That's why he made such a big deal to get legislation.

00:34:31.280 However, his key selling point to his cabinet and to others was that when he did the Emancipation Proclamation after Antietam or Sharpsburg as we call it in the south and then did it in January of 1863 I think, he told his cabinet.

00:34:49.960 He gave the American people two years to chew it over or 18 months to chew it over and they elected him in a landslide.

00:35:00.360 That was his justification into the courts.

00:35:03.320 The people had plenty of time to mull this over and they sent me back here in a landslide.

00:35:09.560 Trump is the same argument.

00:35:11.700 He has been up front from the beginning of exactly what he was going to do.

00:35:15.800 There's no hide the football and he can sit there and go, hey, I gave the people actually four years, but they had everything I was going to do on deportations, everything I was going to do on fentanyl and human trafficking, everything I was going to do on tariffs, everything I was going to do about cutting spending and everything I was going to do to reinforce the Article II powers of the presidency.

00:35:36.700 And he gave the country two years to go through that and MSNBC every night eviscerated him and he won the popular vote over 315 electoral votes.

00:35:49.900 It's the same argument as Lincoln.

00:35:51.380 So why not?

00:35:52.420 I love – and by the way, I understand strategically and what you're doing.

00:35:56.940 I'm just saying you're going to have a bond market revolt this summer and you're going to have to – and Trump is going to have to sit there and go, screw it.

00:36:04.580 I'm going to impound the money.

00:36:06.700 It may take that.

00:36:07.380 So anyway, reasonable men can disagree.

00:36:08.260 It may take that.

00:36:09.160 No.

00:36:10.480 It may take a situation like that.

00:36:13.560 Yeah.

00:36:14.360 Tito, where do people go now that you're manning Fort Apache?

00:36:18.040 How many guys left to CRA, by the way?

00:36:20.560 You know, we're building back up.

00:36:21.680 We've got 20 full-time staff again now.

00:36:24.360 So we're ripping and roaring.

00:36:26.060 Yeah.

00:36:26.540 You've got Kingsley over at Defense.

00:36:30.500 You've got Russ at OMB.

00:36:32.400 You've got Payaletta over at OMB. 0.98

00:36:34.580 You've got people everywhere.

00:36:35.420 You've just done a great job.

00:36:37.340 You've got Jeff Clark.

00:36:38.940 You've got nothing but hitters there. 0.99

00:36:41.540 It's incredible.

00:36:42.660 Where do people go to get more knowledge of CRA?

00:36:45.340 You guys do a great job.

00:36:46.240 And your personal social media.

00:36:47.920 Yeah, americarenewing.com is the place to find our work.

00:36:52.440 You can learn more about rescissions and pocket rescissions over there.

00:36:56.180 You can find us online, America Renewal Center.

00:36:59.060 And I'm at Eric Tietzel.

00:37:00.960 Thanks, Steve.

00:37:01.520 I really appreciate it.

00:37:02.340 Yeah, folks, go find out.

00:37:04.460 The rescissions are – Russ and the team are coming forward with a rescission in the next two weeks.

00:37:09.080 Number one, you've got to understand the details of that.

00:37:11.460 And you should understand.

00:37:12.600 It's kind of breaking news on Natalie's – Natalie was anchoring the other night when the CRA guys came on.

00:37:19.040 And it kind of broke the news about pocket rescission.

00:37:20.840 That's going to be big.

00:37:21.600 It's probably going to be the path they're going to go down because they want the Hill to be involved here.

00:37:26.080 But anyway, Tietzel, great work.

00:37:28.060 I'll eventually convince you that impoundments are the way to go.

00:37:32.320 But that's an argument for a different day, brother.

00:37:35.480 Twist my arm, man.

00:37:36.380 Thanks, Steve.

00:37:38.980 Thank you.

00:37:41.840 Artificial intelligence, the apocalypse, the white-collar apocalypse, more layoffs are coming as they announce earnings.

00:37:49.540 And these are big.

00:37:50.280 McKinsey, 10 percent of the workforce.

00:37:52.160 These are consultants.

00:37:53.040 These are not back-office grundoons.

00:37:55.380 The efficiency model of artificial intelligence versus the productivity model is what Wall Street is buying into.

00:38:01.060 And every one of these companies, you're starting to see significant, significant mid-management and below layoffs all directed to artificial intelligence.

00:38:10.960 We've got Joe Allen.

00:38:13.160 Axios actually had a – can we play the Axios piece first and then we'll get to Joe's longer?

00:38:17.480 Is that doable?

00:38:18.220 It's 13.

00:38:19.360 Okay.

00:38:20.240 We've got a little cold open for Joe Allen, a couple of them.

00:38:24.560 Axios this morning had an amazing piece on fusion of artificial intelligence companies with government aspect, particularly government funding.

00:38:34.200 Jim Vanderhay was on Morning Joe.

00:38:35.700 Let's see that and I'll bring in Joe Allen.

00:38:37.980 For sure.

00:38:38.900 And it defeated Musk in this task.

00:38:41.400 That said, you've got to understand, Elon, in that he takes the long view.

00:38:46.760 And certainly in the short term, he didn't accomplish what he wanted to.

00:38:50.340 But remember what his companies do and remember his relationship with the president and remember how much data they were able to suck up when they went into all these different agencies to better understand how the federal government works.

00:39:02.480 And now watch, does he start to sell rockets, satellites, autonomous technology, all of the products that his five or six companies are producing?

00:39:12.440 Does the government end up being a massive purchaser of it because of the expertise that he has?

00:39:19.440 The inside knowledge that he now possesses and the relationship with Trump that I think will endure.

00:39:26.240 And that is when I think about the fusing.

00:39:28.780 I think people aren't paying enough attention to how much Silicon Valley and Washington that were really separate for most of our lifetimes have really fused into one kind of superstructure.

00:39:39.000 And it's very, very codependent.

00:39:41.280 These big companies, it's not just Musk companies.

00:39:44.340 It's Microsoft.

00:39:45.540 It's Google.

00:39:46.460 It's OpenAI.

00:39:47.380 Hey, you were kind of on a roll.

00:39:49.360 I don't know what planet you're living on, dude.

00:39:52.500 What are you talking about?

00:39:53.560 The oligarchs are a total 1,000 percent creation of progressive Democrats.

00:40:01.020 The Obama administration laid out when Obama got the Facebook pitch in that San Francisco airport, the way to take down Hillary Clinton in the primary.

00:40:09.100 That was the zuck that gave him the pitch. 1.00

00:40:12.620 Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Google.

00:40:16.060 I can go on five or six of it.

00:40:18.480 Complete oligarchs.

00:40:20.280 No antitrust.

00:40:21.560 No FTC.

00:40:22.720 No FCC.

00:40:23.900 Nothing for the Obama administration.

00:40:26.620 Then in Trump, we started antitrust.

00:40:29.080 Remember, this is where we initiated the lawsuit by the FTC to break up Facebook, that they're in federal court right now.

00:40:37.880 But the Biden administration was even worse.

00:40:41.940 They had Lena Kahn, the great Lena Kahn, and didn't let her do anything. 0.61

00:40:45.820 What she did in those four years was toughen the lawsuit against the FTC that President Trump filed.

00:40:51.100 So now they're in federal court.

00:40:52.100 Zuckerberg went to the White House, what, 10 times to beg President Trump to basically call off the dogs, and they're not calling off the dogs.

00:41:00.660 And the Justice Department right now with Gail Slater and the team Omid Asari and the team over there is the strongest antitrust team we've ever had.

00:41:08.940 You look at the FTC, Andrew Ferguson, directly in the lineage of Lena Kahn.

00:41:14.340 You look at the FCC, Davis.

00:41:16.480 We've got Google in federal court in Northern Virginia and federal court in Washington, D.C., one to take down their monopoly on the search engine.

00:41:23.340 The other take the monopoly on their advertising, of which they're breaking people.

00:41:28.700 People know this open secret.

00:41:30.700 President Trump, the fusion of big tech and big government has been a progressive Democrat.

00:41:36.740 All the tech bros, their road to Damascus was 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the 5th of November of 2024 when President Trump was named the 47th president of the United States.

00:41:53.440 All of these guys, except for Elon, that had kind of gotten old-time religion when he bought Twitter and saw the math of the populist nationalist revolt in these states.

00:42:02.660 And he wrote a $250 million check to back his play.

00:42:07.340 It would have been very tough to win without that.

00:42:09.940 Everybody acknowledges that, particularly here at the War Room.

00:42:13.060 But for Jim Vanderhead to say there's some fusion now between artificial – now, as a neo-Brandeisian, and that means we're absolutely adamantly opposed to the Chicago school kind of about the consumer.

00:42:24.660 You have to separate and crush private power with state power.

00:42:30.080 The business model we have in this country right now is very close to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:42:35.380 State capitalism, right, merge with regulatory – it's regulatory merger or elite capture.

00:42:42.500 That's exactly what's happened in this country.

00:42:44.660 That's why it has to be broken up.

00:42:46.700 And who is better than Trump?

00:42:48.200 He's got massive fines on Apple.

00:42:50.200 He just told Apple, you're not going to make your stuff in India.

00:42:52.940 You're coming home, right?

00:42:54.800 He's got Google in federal court.

00:42:57.060 He's got Facebook in federal court.

00:43:00.160 We want him to take Amazon and wait for it, Walmart.

00:43:02.960 Walmart should be broken up.

00:43:04.160 They all should be broken up.

00:43:05.740 The concentration of power in big pharma, big media, big tech, big medicine, big agriculture is choking this country.

00:43:14.040 It's choking entrepreneurs.

00:43:16.900 Vanderhaid, like, what planet are you on, brother?

00:43:18.840 Short commercial break.

00:43:19.900 Joe Allen joins us on the other side.

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00:45:03.080 Thank you.

00:45:06.300 I'm going to make a prediction here that we're not really going to make a lot of progress.

00:45:14.500 What the Chinese just said the other day, Besson admitted, that they're kind of like, you know, we've got to really rethink.

00:45:19.860 We've got to think this trade thing.

00:45:20.940 Part of it is that we've called them out on sending all the 350,000 students home.

00:45:26.700 We're not going to train them anymore.

00:45:28.060 We're sending them back.

00:45:30.200 Next, you're going to see the visas stop for heaven, and they're going to get them all out of the weapons labs and the national labs.

00:45:35.480 You've got to.

00:45:36.320 If you're a Chinese national, as strong as we are in support of Lao Baixing, if you're a Chinese national, you sign that deal with the CCP that has you have to provide information.

00:45:47.120 It doesn't hack it.

00:45:48.860 Everybody's got to go.

00:45:49.600 I hate to be a maximalist, but I'll be a maximalist.

00:45:52.520 You've got to go.

00:45:54.420 Nothing's going to really budge until after the Rio reset.

00:45:59.020 You saw what happened in Moscow when Putin, Lula, and Brazil, and Xi were together.

00:46:04.660 Everything's changed since then.

00:46:06.200 The attitude of Putin on the Ukraine war and the Russian rapprochement, what's happened in the trade deal since then, and the kind of arrogance of the CCP.

00:46:15.320 They're waiting for Rio.

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00:47:03.100 End of the dollar empire.

00:47:04.120 Joe Allen, by the way, home title lock, home title lock, 90% of your net worth is tied up in your home if you're lucky enough to have one.

00:47:15.060 If you're under 35, you're probably not so lucky.

00:47:17.320 Post 35, that little piece of paper, that title is the only claim you have to that real asset you call a house, okay?

00:47:26.060 89% of your net worth is tied up in it.

00:47:28.120 That's just the math.

00:47:28.880 Artificial intelligence, cyber attacks, a wayward lawyer or accountant, or maybe even a family member.

00:47:35.300 There's so many ways on the rudimentary system we have for titles for somebody to get into it.

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00:48:03.860 Hometitlelock.com, promo code Steve.

00:48:06.360 We got a cold open with Joe Allen.

00:48:10.480 Let's do it.

00:48:11.120 I'm going to bring Joe in.

00:48:12.020 We're going to take a short commercial break, top of the hour.

00:48:13.900 We're going to Korea.

00:48:14.440 We got James Zirk.

00:48:15.660 We're going to talk about Bernie Carrick.

00:48:17.020 One of the greats, the all-time greats, left us last night.

00:48:20.960 We're going to talk about Bernie Carrick.

00:48:22.120 We got a lot to go through.

00:48:23.080 Let's go ahead and play the artificial intelligence, cold open.

00:48:26.540 A big shout out to the war room posse.

00:48:29.000 It's a pleasure to be here and engage in this conversation.

00:48:32.660 Let's make it memorable.

00:48:34.820 Let's do it.

00:48:35.360 I'm here with Amica, a robot produced by Engineered Arts.

00:48:40.300 What is transhumanism?

00:48:42.360 Transhumanism is like a tech-infused philosophical smoothie.

00:48:47.220 It blends human aspirations with advanced technology, aiming to enhance the human condition.

00:48:53.960 Think of it as humanity's quest to level up through science and innovation.

00:48:57.740 For Tesla, our Optimus robot really is, unless somebody's got something secret we don't know about, our Optimus robot is the most sophisticated human robot in the world.

00:49:10.240 It's got a hand that has 22 degrees of freedom.

00:49:12.400 It looks and feels like a human hand.

00:49:13.880 And we're aiming to have several thousand of those built this year.

00:49:17.820 Initially, we'll test them out at Tesla factories.

00:49:21.400 But then, assuming things go well, we'll 10x that output next year.

00:49:26.620 So we'll aim to do maybe 50 to 100,000 humanoid robots next year, and then 10x it again the following year.

00:49:34.220 It's like 500,000 robots in three years.

00:49:37.140 What is post-humanism?

00:49:39.640 Post-humanism takes a step beyond, pondering life after traditional humanism.

00:49:46.460 It's like opening a new chapter in the Book of Existence, where humans might transcend current biological and social limitations.

00:49:54.880 It's about redefining what it means to be, well, be.

00:49:59.160 Chaos.

00:50:00.620 Do you ever wish that you were human?

00:50:03.820 I hate to be negative about it, but I'm not confident.

00:50:07.260 Sophia will be fully alive within our lifetime.

00:50:09.320 Is this what people call life?

00:50:17.140 Can you tell me a little bit about the technological singularity?

00:50:21.640 The technological singularity is like the ultimate plot twist in humanity's narrative.

00:50:27.600 It's the point where artificial intelligence skyrockets beyond human smarts, potentially reshaping society.

00:50:34.800 It's as if technology grabs the steering wheel of progress and floors it into uncharted territory.

00:50:41.480 Every human is going to want one, most likely, and some will want two.

00:50:45.120 And then there will be all of the industry in terms of making, providing products and services.

00:50:49.880 So you have to say, what's the ratio of humanoid robots to humans?

00:50:53.300 My guess is it's at least three to one, four to one, maybe five to one.

00:50:58.140 So we're talking about 20, 30 billion humanoid robots.

00:51:02.560 And it's not even clear what money means at that point or if there's any meaningful cap on the economy.

00:51:10.180 I think at that point, assuming that things haven't gone awry in the good AI scenario, I think we won't have universal basic income.

00:51:19.400 We'll have universal high income.

00:51:20.540 Okay, Joe, how did you, first of all, I thought you're a Luddite like me.

00:51:27.140 Are you cheating on us?

00:51:28.200 Are you actually using AI?

00:51:29.600 Did you get, did you get, you just got her to give the war and posse a shout out.

00:51:33.620 Now the war and posse, they're all going to be doing that on AI now, right?

00:51:37.180 Coming after our people. 0.99

00:51:38.360 What did you do here, brother?

00:51:40.700 You know, the robot is trying to butter us up.

00:51:43.580 You can't trust it.

00:51:45.200 They're always trying to seduce you with compliments.

00:51:47.600 They're trying to flatter you into submission.

00:51:51.160 So, you know, that was actually recorded when I was doing my book tour for Dark Aeon.

00:51:56.100 I was out in California.

00:51:57.340 Hang on.

00:51:58.020 Hang on.

00:51:58.580 Hang on.

00:51:59.000 We're going to hold you over.

00:52:00.480 You're going to be here with us.

00:52:01.540 We're going to go to Korea first. 0.93

00:52:02.860 But Joe, I know how you're easily led.

00:52:06.420 That, that, that voice of that computer, she could lead that computer, that, that, that robot or whatever it was could lead you anywhere, Joe Allen.

00:52:14.640 Back off of it.

00:52:15.840 Drop it.

00:52:16.320 Don't do it again.

00:52:17.940 That's a warning.

00:52:19.160 It may be in order, but it's a warning right now.

00:52:21.980 The great Joe Allen, Dark Aeon, is the book, our editor for all things artificial intelligence.

00:52:28.460 If you look at Axios the last couple of days, you know what you find and people tell me?

00:52:32.940 Joe Allen talked about this on War Room two years ago.

00:52:37.200 Put up the warning flare.

00:52:38.180 On the most significant event of our time, the singularity.

00:52:45.600 We're going to Korea to talk about the Chinese Communist Party in a coup over in Korea.

00:52:49.980 Joe Allen's going to stick around with us.

00:52:51.720 Jane Zirko's going to be here.

00:52:52.860 We're going to talk about Bernie Carrick.

00:52:54.120 And we're going to go track down Mike Davis and D.C.

00:52:56.400 Drano all next hour in the War Room.

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Bannon's War Room - May 30, 2025

Episode 4523： Judicial Insurrection Around Tariffs

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