Episode 4547： Mass Deportation Must Continue Regardless Of Reaction; David Mamet LIVE
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Summary
Trump responds to California Governor Gavin Newsom's call for him to be arrested, and why he should do so. Trump also talks about the protests in Los Angeles and calls for the use of the National Guard to respond to them.
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Newsom is, he's daring Tom Holman to come and arrest him. Should he do it?
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I would do it if I were Tom. I think it's great. Of course, Gavin likes the publicity,
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but I think it would be a great thing. He's done a terrible job. Look,
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I like Gavin Newsom. He's a nice guy, but he's grossly incompetent. Everybody knows.
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All you have to do is look at the little railroad he's building. It's about a hundred
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times over budget. We're putting a flagpole over there under budget. I always do under.
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What did your intel tell you about these people causing all the problems?
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Are they people trying to deport or are they professional agitators?
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People that are causing the problem are professional agitators. They're insurrectionists.
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They're bad people. They should be in jail. Thank you.
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Trump is on plan. This has been the plan. Trump has selected California. He selected Los Angeles
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and he selected Gavin Newsom to wage this first political battle, uh, with the governor.
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And, and he has been dictating the pace and the terms of everything for the last couple of months.
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And he's now challenging Newsom and the Democrats and America to stop him. Um,
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whether or not this is bad for Newsom or bad for Trump, it's bad for America. It's bad for our democracy.
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It's bad for the troops in uniform. It's bad for ice. It's bad for the protesters. It's bad for
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everyone. Uh, who it's not bad for is Vladimir Putin and North Korea and any other enemies that
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want to celebrate America divided. So I think this is a test case for Trump on whether or not he can
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roll over Newsom. Uh, is, is Newsom going to be a martyr or is he going to be an example of what
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can happen in other states? But I think Trump is on plan. He's moving forward and he's going to
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continue to do this and challenge other governors in days to come. But he picked Newsom and now,
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now it's on. What do you make, what do you make of the fact that he says you want a civil war
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on the streets of America? No, that's just the opposite. I don't want a civil war. A civil war
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would happen if you left it, if you left it to people like him and I liked him, you know,
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I always got along with him, never had a problem with him, but he's grossly incompetent. He's an
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incompetent governor. Look at the job he's doing in California. He's destroying one of our great states.
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And if I didn't get involved, if we didn't bring the guard in and we would bring more in if we
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needed it because we have to make sure there's going to be law and order. Uh, you had, uh, a disaster
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happening and they now admit it was a disaster. I watched the, uh, chief yesterday. He was a good
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man, by the way. And he said, well, we're lucky we did this because they would have, they were
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overwhelmed. You saw what was happening. So we did the right thing. Everybody agrees to that.
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But, uh, you have a governor who let the city burn down, didn't, didn't want water
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to be sent down to him. And I sent billions of gallons of water. I said, I wanted to do it in
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the first term. They wouldn't do it over. I don't know. They have environmental reasons,
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but there were no environmental reasons. It's a, I think it's just a political philosophy,
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but, um, it's lucky for the people in Los Angeles and in California that we did what we did. We got it
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just in time. It's still simmering a little bit, but not very much career. Pentagon was sort of
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scrambling last night to figure out what to do. The last thing they want is active duties,
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troops taking on protesters on American streets. They fought mightily against that during the George
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Floyd, uh, protests. Uh, and this is something that nobody thought that this,
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these, these demonstrations that were, that seemed to be sort of routine demonstrations on,
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on Friday night would ignite into something that will require this level of military, uh,
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military intervention, especially when you have coming up this weekend, this Trump military
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parade, army birthday, military parade that Washington DC is bracing for. You had
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all of these M one Abrams tanks arriving. They're going to be, uh, all, there's going to be all this
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military hardware rolling down the streets of Washington DC. And then there's a very real worry
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again, uh, among the career and professional military of this sort of look that we are militarizing the
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country. The big picture is Los Angeles is a so-called, uh, majority minority city in a majority minority
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state. There are more people of color that live in Los Angeles than white people, uh,
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at this point. And many of those people are undocumented. Some, by some counts, 10% of the
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population of LA County, one of the largest counties, the largest county by population in
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the United States is undocumented, maybe as many as a million people. Those people are our neighbors,
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our coworkers, uh, our classmates, uh, our friends, our parishioners, fellow parishioners and churches.
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Um, they are part of the fabric of the city of Los Angeles and not in the last many decades under
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democratic nor Republican presidents, despite the fact that you had presidents with big deportation
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programs, democratic and Republican, as you have so often reported, have we seen the type of
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immigration enforcement we saw play out on the streets of Los Angeles, uh, on Friday. And that struck
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fear into the heart of not just the undocumented community here, but of many U S citizen family
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members of undocumented people and many U S citizens who know those people, um, because that is removing
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people from this community, uh, who had been here, uh, if not their entire life, virtually their entire
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lives. There are so many mixed status families that live in Los Angeles that might have an undocumented
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parent or relative and U S citizen child or cousin, um, who we've talked about this before the family
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separation policy of the first Trump administration in 2018 was a deliberate ripping apart of parents
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and children at the border, um, to separate those families and inflict pain on those families.
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But when I say mass deportation is family separation, when I say those signs that were held up
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on the floor of the Republican convention, as I talked to you from the floor of that convention
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was a sign of what was to come and why that is also a form of family separation. It is family
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separation in the interior. It's taking parents away from their children, not at the border and not
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in detention centers, but at a home Depot on the street corner, uh, or outside of a school, uh, or, um,
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at a workplace in the fashion district where they might be working in a factory. It's a different
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form of family separation. And it's exactly the intent of this administration modeled after Nicole
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Dwight D Eisenhower's 1954 operation with a name. So racist, I'm not going to say it here to you right
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now, but there resulted in a million Mexicans and some Mexican Americans being sent to Mexico
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in the wake of the Bracero program coming here legally in the 1950s. That's what the Trump administration
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is modeling this program after that's their stated goal. They've talked about it.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
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these people. Here's the reason I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The
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people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people
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like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
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had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my
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country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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I love Soboroff of MSNBC saying our colleagues, he means his gardener, his nanny, his maid. These
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people are so hypocritical. Monday, 9 June, Year of our Lord 2025. It's only ratcheting up in Los
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Angeles. My understanding from high officials that they're going to double or triple the number of
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of ICE raids today, as they should. We've got 10 million illegal alien invaders to get out that
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came in on Biden's watch, including 2 million at Gottaways. Ben Berquam joins. I'm going to get
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back into the Pentagon. The MSNBC reporter for the Pentagon, which I agree with Jack Posovic.
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Her press credential should be removed immediately. She not only questions whether there's there's a
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political appointees in permanent uniform military services and civilians, but she basically says
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they're not paying it. They're not going to pay attention to, and they totally disagree with
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the commander in chief. We know that's not true. So they're either committing treason by not following
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the commander in chief, which they're sworn to do, or she's lying and should be removed. I want to go to
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Ben Berquam. Ben, my understanding is ICE is not dialing down today, but the things can
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heat up. They're also sending, they're supposed to have additional, I think,
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uh, uh, revolutionary activity this evening, but they're building to a crescendo this Saturday
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when president Trump has the 250th anniversary of the army's formation, uh, around the country.
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They're going to, they have a no Kings rally everywhere where they're going to try to disrupt,
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uh, the unity, uh, in the, uh, in the celebratory nature this Saturday with the American people.
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Uh, you're what's going on in LA Ben. Yeah, uh, Steve, you're right. Uh, this is coordinated
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and it's just beginning. Uh, we're seeing it right now. They're just starting to ramp up. I'm
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just a couple blocks away from where they burned those cars this morning. This is the ice building.
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I was at this morning while it was pretty quiet. Uh, you've got, uh, the groups coming out. They
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just had a big protest, SEIU and all the unions, which is ironic, uh, labor unions out in support of
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illegal aliens, which if you are in a labor union, you should not support your, your dues going to
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that union if they're supporting illegal aliens coming in. But now we've got this group, multiple
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groups, uh, Antifa and, and different violent agitators are out here. Uh, they're planning on
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more violence today, just around the corner of the building, uh, is where the, the fires were lit
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on the vehicles. We've got police lined up right now, blocking the entrances to the freeways,
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trying to prevent them from going onto the freeways. We've got school kids that were coming out
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that were being taught Marxism, being let out of their schools early to come out to join this.
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We've got national guard on the other side of the building and actually just over
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my shoulder here by the hospital, we got national guard lined up. So it's set up to be another one
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of these situations. But to your, your earlier point, ice is not backing down. President Trump's
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not backing down. Uh, Tom Homan's not backing down. They're just getting started. And the whole point
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of this is to try to intimidate them to into stopping the deportations.
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Why is, is ice going to come out this afternoon at me? Why are they not picking these people up at
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the, uh, at the, at these, uh, at these, um, uh, demonstrations? Because they're not, they're not
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peaceful protests. They turned violent at these violent, uh, examples of what they're trying to
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accomplish. Why don't the police, why don't they just take these people and ice storm in the, uh,
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in the back and ship them out, sir? Yeah, they should be, they should be checking every single
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person here. I mean, when you're flying a Mexican flag, there's a truck driving around
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flying a Mexican flag. There's a lot of them out here. If you're out here burning the American flag
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and waving some other foreign countries flag, we should check your papers on the spot. And if you're
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here illegally, you should be deported. Now, whether or not that's happening, I don't know. I have heard
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different reports that ice is actually picking people up when they arrest them. If they arrest
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them for some violent act, they're checking whether they're here legally and they are deporting
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or working on deporting those people. But you're right. I mean, they should be out in every single
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one of these crowds and, and going through every single one of the people that are out here,
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especially if you weren't waving a foreign country's flag. One of the, one of the engine room
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participants this morning sent me something that Glendale, uh, voted today to, to, um, I think
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their city council voted to pull the contract for ice to basically share the, uh, the jail facility.
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Uh, what about these government officials that are getting in the way? Is there any, um,
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is there any, for instance, Bass, uh, Newsome, all of them have been smack talking the entire time.
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Why are we not taking action to arrest these people? You know, I, I don't know. I don't,
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I don't have an answer for you on that, Steve. It's frustrating. I mean, you look at the left,
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they can, they can actually do an invasion into our country. Here we go. We got some more of these
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lovely people here waving their foreign countries flag, FI. By the way, that's, uh, there you go.
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That's, that's, that's, that's America. Put the camera back over. Put the camera back. I only see
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you in your face. Uh, excuse me, your beautiful visage right there. That's what I want to see.
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They're in your grill. Yeah. To them, this is Mexico. Yeah. Sorry about the, uh, just,
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just, just stay, just stay right there. This is, I, I want people to understand how in your face they
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are. Right. They're just, they're mocking you. This is not your country. This is Mexico.
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Right. And they're going to continue to do that. This is why, this is why you've, you've got the, uh,
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you've got the, um, the Palestinian flag. You have the Mexican flag. You know, you're nothing but a
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colonizer. You're nothing. You are here illegally.
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By the way, Ben Berkwam, stay right there. Can I get Ben's face again? I got to see that.
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Our star, Ben Berkwam. I don't need a split screen of me. Wrong decision. Okay.
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Today, Sly Stone from Sly and the Family Stone is dead at the age of 82, an American original.
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We're going to play some of his music today throughout the, uh, throughout the day.
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At the age of 16, I think it was 17 July, 1970, in the Richmond arena, which is basically a, um,
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a trolley car barn turned into a basketball arena. At 16, I was there for a blanket concert.
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It's supposed to start at 8.30 in the evening. The opening act came on, I think, at 8.30.
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Sly and the Family Stone, as was their want, came on a little later. I think it was one in the morning.
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They didn't have a curfew back then. I think these guys played to, uh, Sly and the Family Stone played,
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I don't know, two or three. We're going to play some music in tribute. Short commercial break,
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Okay, Denver, do we have my clip? Just tell me when it's ready. Okay, just tell me when it's ready. We're
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going to play it for Jack Posovic. Ben Berquam, what are you hearing about additional and further ice
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raids? I think they should have come out and announced, hey, we're going to do two. If this is a baseline,
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we're going up two or three. The only way to win here is to double and triple down. The media
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and the left-wing apparatus and deep state that run this country want us to blink, want us to back
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down. This is why President Trump continues to double down. But unlike 2020, we got to deliver
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the goods here in the summer of love. It just can't be tweets and talk. It's got to be action.
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President Trump was thwarted then by Milley and Esper, who basically, to me, committed treason. I
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don't know why they're not being investigated by DOJ already or by the Pentagon, at least Milley,
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in some sort of military tribunal. They thwarted him in June of 2020. We know that Bill Barr thwarted
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him. So he had people around him who were not loyal to him, not loyal to the Constitution. He
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doesn't have that this time. Let's rock and roll. I also want to say now, Stephen Miller
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is a godsend to this country. I've known Stephen since he's a very young man. Stephen Miller has
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always said since I've known him, and I think even before when he was a young man,
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and I mean a very young man, almost a boy at Santa Monica Junior High School, the middle school,
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that the battle for America was going to take place in Los Angeles. He has felt this in his bones. He's
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from L.A. He's one of that magnificent crew of Andrew Breitbart and Alex Marlowe and Stephen
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Miller and others that all came from kind of West L.A. And it's amazing, this kind of fire-breathing
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conservatives that have come from there. And Andrew always said the battle for the future
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America is going to be Los Angeles. He was talking culture. Stephen Miller's talking in the streets.
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And this is where it's going to happen. And Stephen Miller, I'm telling you right now,
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he is, we didn't have Stephen Miller. He is the mastermind of the domestic policy. And he's
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mastermind of shutting down the border and giving President Trump all the tools that President
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Trump can use to actually execute. And that's what President Trump is doing as commander in chief.
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Also, Stephen, you know, there's a lot of talk about, you know, Elon Musk. I think you might
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have heard something here on this show once or twice. And Katie Miller, who was fantastic in the
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first term, married Stephen. They're a power couple. If you think Stephen Miller's smart and tough,
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he's about half as smart and tough as Katie, the wife. Known her a long time. She is a total and
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complete hammer. And hey, people saying, oh, well, she went to Elon Musk. Listen, thank God in this
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republic. We've got somebody like Katie Miller that can manage the insane asylum that is Elon Musk.
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Katie ought to Katie's got to stay there. It's one of the best things that happened. And she's
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absolutely a not just a power player. She's a patriot. Both of them. They're a couple that are
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patriots and they're an enormous pressure and security risk. People don't know this. The security
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risk to Katie and Stephen has been very high because Stephen's up front. Stephen Miller does not back
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down. You see him on TV and he lays out and he's kind of the he's one of the quarterbacks here
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and making it happen. Ben, we would like to see more. We've got, I think, a 29 Palms.
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We've got a brigade, a battalion, I think, a battalion coming up from potentially coming up from 29
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Palms of the United States Marines. And I think the audacious Benny Johnson may actually be in bed with
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them. What do you know? Yeah, that's what I'm hearing. I just saw Benny's post earlier. I'm just
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we just got some B-roll here. These are the cars that they burned yesterday just going by us. The
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cleanup just finally wrapped up around the corner from us. But that's what I hear. I hear Benny's
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embedded with them and they're going to be making their way down here. But to your your other point,
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I mean, this is one of the things you got to give it to the left. They always circle the wagons and
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they you know, you look at what they did with the invasion on our southern border. They doubled
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down. And now when you actually have President Trump rightfully going, you've got ICE and Tom
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Holman rightfully going and picking up not only illegal aliens, but illegal aliens that committed
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additional crimes, some of the most heinous you can imagine. The left is doubling down, tripling down,
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and going after the very people that are sworn to protect our borders, to protect our country,
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On our side, we're more worried about getting called names. And the American people are sick
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of it. I mean, when they hear Tom Holman come out and say, we're going to arrest Gavin Newsom,
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we're going to arrest Karen Bass. They want it to happen now. And the longer it goes on where they
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don't, the American people just say, well, there we go. The Republicans, big talk again and not doing
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anything. They want these arrests to happen. And if they don't happen, Stephen's right. This is the
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death of our country. In fact, the building is spray painted on. You can't see it right now.
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Death to America. That's the that's what they want.
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This morning, Ben, I jumped you a little bit because you went back to there are 30 million
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or more illegal aliens in the country. I totally subscribe to that. I was talking about just
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the ones that came in on Biden's regime to get out and get out now. And the reason there's this
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difference is that's the Republican Party never would step up to the plate and say this. This
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can't happen. We got to deport these people. They were too weak. And the reason is this is hard for
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President Trump. There's one thing about the bad hombres, the criminals. It's also you've got all of
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them. Everybody's got to be deported. Hispanic citizens are getting crushed. African-American
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citizens are getting crushed. Their schools, their health care, the crime in the community and their
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wages. Nothing's better because of this. Nothing is better for. Yeah. Are the wealthy getting cheaper
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nannies? Are the wealthy getting their lawns cut cheaper? Remember, they don't really pay the price
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of because they're getting huge tax cuts. They don't really pay the price for the collapsing medical
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system and emergency health care system and the education system. That's all dumb. That's that's
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because the poor use of services. Of course, there's unlimited upside for the wealthy to do this.
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And this is why you see Soboroth and those guys, you know, they're laughing in your face.
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This is the this is what Stephen Miller's saying. This is what ICE is doing. It's the deportations.
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When we opened the show and they said, hey, the trauma of actually people coming in. Yes.
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People are here illegally. They came here on Biden's watch have got to go. We have program right now for
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a million. Ben tonight. Tell me how how dice is this thing going to get tonight?
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That's going to be ugly. It's going to get more and more violent. It's not a safe place to be if
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you live in L.A. A lot of businesses shut down when this stuff happens because they know these
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guys are violent thugs. Undoubtedly, they're going to take over the freeways again unless President
00:23:34.320
Trump, unless the National Guard is allowed to do what it needs to do and actually give the spankings
00:23:38.960
that these spoiled little kids deserve. It's going to be really, really ugly. And until the American
00:23:43.680
people say enough is enough and stand up and say, we got your back, President Trump. We got your back,
00:23:48.800
Stephen Miller. We got your back, Tom Holman. That's what we need to see across the country.
00:23:52.560
We need to see counter protests with people coming out and saying, we support you. And thank God,
00:23:56.720
Steve. Thank God for President Trump. Thank God for Tom Holman. Thank God for Stephen Miller,
00:24:02.160
for these guys that have the balls to actually do it. We've had such wussy Republicans for so long
00:24:08.160
to actually have guys that will come out and stand up and actually do what needs to be done.
00:24:13.040
And now we're in that point right now. It's just getting started. It's going to be ugly.
00:24:18.080
Ben, thank you. Social media, where they get you. I may try to track you now for the six
00:24:21.840
o'clock hour because we want updates on this. I agree with you. You're three hours behind us,
00:24:25.920
but as it gets darker out there, it's going to get ugly. The engine room up in Napa Valley did send me,
00:24:30.960
I think they arrested 154 combatants up in San Francisco. They need to have those types of arrests.
00:24:38.640
They need they need to arrest a thousand people plus tonight and not just process them in and out,
00:24:44.080
but I mean, really arrest them for insurrection. Ben Burkwam, your social media.
00:24:51.200
Real America's Voice at Real AM Voice on social media. We're going to start posting some of the
00:24:55.600
videos I've got already. We're going to be obviously getting a lot more tonight. So stay tuned for that.
00:24:59.280
My sub stack, if you want to subscribe, especially paid subscribers, really appreciate it. It's
00:25:02.960
Frontline America on sub stack. And my personal social is just my name, Ben Burkwam. I'll be
00:25:07.840
posting the videos and anything breaks down here, Steve, I'll be getting back to you and Cameron and
00:25:12.320
we'll be jumping back on. Yeah, yeah, you get to us right away. Ben Burkwam on the scene as usual.
00:25:17.840
Can we play this clip from MSNBC? Let's go to play this clip from this morning. I need to differentiate
00:25:23.600
when I say the Pentagon now, because there is the Pentagon that are the political appointees
00:25:28.720
of President Trump. And then there is the professional Pentagon, the military people
00:25:33.760
and the career Pentagon. The career Pentagon was sort of scrambling last night to figure out
00:25:39.360
what to do. The last thing they want is active duty troops taking on protesters on American streets.
00:25:48.080
They fought mightily against that during the George Floyd protests. And this is something that nobody
00:25:56.240
thought that this these demonstrations that were that seemed to be sort of routine demonstrations on
00:26:02.240
on Friday night would ignite into something that will require this level of military military intervention,
00:26:09.680
especially when you have coming up this weekend, this Trump military parade army birthday military
00:26:18.640
parade that Washington, D.C. is bracing for. You had all of these M1 Abrams tanks arriving.
00:26:25.600
They're going to be all there's going to be all this military hardware rolling down the streets of
00:26:30.800
Washington, D.C. And then there's a very real worry again among the career and professional military
00:26:38.640
of this sort of look that we are militarizing the country. I think things are going to have to get
00:26:45.360
a lot worse if you get to the point where American troops are being asked or tasked with shooting
00:26:51.680
protesters. You will then see this discomfort manufacturer in public right now. What you're seeing is
00:26:58.960
just sort of we're going to they're still trying to salute. You have a insurrection. President Trump
00:27:06.000
is is going to initiate the insurrection act. It's just pure purview to do this. I was on BBC this
00:27:14.800
afternoon. It'll be up in a while where the correspondent. Oh, none of these are peaceful
00:27:19.840
protesters. Far from it. This gets back to the joint for the George Floyd situation. Remember Esper and Millie
00:27:25.840
Milly, after he had the situation in Jackson Square, went back and went back and decided
00:27:35.040
amongst themselves that, hey, we can't we're not going to actually report to President Trump as
00:27:40.240
commander. They made a pact between each other. This is why Millie's got to be called back to active
00:27:43.840
duty in court martial go before a military tribunal. Either she's if she I don't understand how Sean
00:27:52.960
Parnell who we've contacts afternoon how she has a press pass to the Pentagon. Let me say something
00:27:59.360
as a junior officer when I came off a sea duty after four years in the destroyers back in the Pentagon
00:28:04.480
working for the chief of naval operations. Hey, the media didn't roll like that.
00:28:08.080
The Pentagon would have pulled that press pass in a second. Short commercial break. Our salute
00:28:15.600
to Sly Stone dead at 82. An American legend and American classic. Short commercial break. David
00:28:22.480
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The Trump event that the election was stolen, and I was kind of iffy on it, right? Next morning,
00:30:14.400
eight o'clock, the phone rings. The woman on the phone says, Mr. Mayor, what will you hold for the
00:30:20.320
president? I said, wait a second. Biden is calling? It's Trump. He's doing the Biden administration.
00:30:27.280
And he says, David, it's Donald Trump. I say, oh, Mr. President, thank you for calling.
00:30:32.080
To what do I owe the honor? He said, I saw you on Bill Maher yesterday. You were great. He said,
00:30:36.400
but you wussed out on the question of the stolen election. And then he talked to me for like 20 minutes
00:30:42.880
about how the election was stolen. But it wasn't. Well, I think it was.
00:30:48.000
That Deborah had. I'm not talking about the votes. I'm not talking about counting the votes.
00:30:53.120
That the Hunter Biden laptop was suppressed. The COVID information was suppressed.
00:30:59.680
Zuckerberg said himself that the White House pressured him not to bring forward the information
00:31:05.040
on the laptop. And Rasmussen said, had that come out, there would have been a 17-point spread.
00:31:14.640
So you like me have built a career out of nothing except talent and a little bit of luck and a lot
00:31:20.400
of hard work. But you're full of s**t. I don't understand what you say that he did not say the
00:31:25.600
words I concede caused half the country, which you just said, to riot.
00:31:30.160
No, I didn't say half the country. I got another question. I sit down and all of a sudden you're
00:31:35.760
attacking me about, I got to come up. I have to come up with a new idea about Trump and I have to
00:31:41.120
talk. What the hell do you care? Let me ask you a question.
00:31:43.840
First of all, it was not my plan to attack you and I'm sorry if you think I'm attacking you.
00:31:48.960
Well, okay. I'm sorry that you're doing it. You started off with a very, um, um, a very difficult
00:31:55.200
question and a question which you have very strong views and I do too. How would you like this part
00:32:02.080
of the conversation to end so that we can move on to something else? What would end it to your
00:32:08.080
satisfaction? Well, we're at the 20-minute mark so we could just end. Okay. What would end it to your
00:32:12.720
satisfaction? When you want it to end. I don't want to piss you off. I'm your biggest fan. I don't,
00:32:21.040
the fact that we don't agree on something so fundamental is still completely okay with me.
00:32:27.440
I don't, I don't get it the way you don't get me. You just said I'm completely full of .
00:32:31.600
And of course, people who disagree to this level, they think that of the other person. And what we
00:32:36.640
have to do is, of course, learn to live harmoniously with people we just don't agree with that much.
00:32:42.240
So we can just get past this. You're right. We should. And I'm happy to. And there's a million
00:32:47.280
things in here and in the movie that I think are great and I would love to talk about.
00:32:52.480
If you don't have a border, you don't have a country.
00:32:56.960
Talent, hard work, and a little bit of luck. Uh, one of America's leading public intellectuals
00:33:01.680
and one of her greatest playwrights, David Mamet joins me. David, in what world,
00:33:05.680
how do we get to a situation where you have the MAGA movement, uh, and back of President Trump,
00:33:13.280
the hardcores, where we have someone like David Mamet, who used to be a, quite frankly,
00:33:18.080
a fire-breathing liberal is now defending President Trump and defending the MAGA movement, sir.
00:33:23.840
Well, I don't know that I was a fire-breathing liberal. I certainly was a liberal because I
00:33:30.960
was a, uh, uh, uh, a congenital Democrat. And, uh, but I, my politics was limited to
00:33:40.880
all those damned Republicans until I got blacklisted. And then I figured I'd better sit down and figure
00:33:46.880
what's going on with this wonderful country. So I spent a few years, um, fulminating and thinking
00:33:52.960
and writing and, uh, figured out what was going on, which is that we stopped being a constitutional,
00:33:59.040
uh, uh, republic. And that, and that a dedication to feeling rather than to reason and its expression
00:34:10.240
law led as it always leads, uh, to violence. And that's what J.S. Mills said in On Liberty.
00:34:17.440
And that's also Rebecca West said in, you know, the 1950s, she said, every liberal
00:34:24.000
administration always ends in bloodshed. So that's where you find me today, Steve.
00:34:31.280
You were blacklisted for, I think it was a, um, it was an essay you wrote.
00:34:36.480
Did they put it on the cover of Village Voice somewhere?
00:34:38.560
They put it on the cover of, and it exploded. What, what was the topic of the essay?
00:34:45.760
Well, I wasn't blacklisted for the essay. I was blacklisted for the cover of the Village Voice
00:34:50.240
because I was doing a play on Broadway at the time called November, which is a comedy
00:34:54.240
about a president, uh, Nathan Lane played the president. It's a very funny play.
00:34:58.480
And the Village Voice asked me to write an article about the play. So I did. And I said,
00:35:05.040
the play is really about political civility. It's about the craziness that politics could lead us
00:35:11.280
into. And I said, we must be civil to each other. And what's the test of that? I have to be able to
00:35:19.120
say your position such that you say that's correct. You have to be able to say my position such that I
00:35:24.720
say that's correct. And then we adduce facts and any fact upon which we can agree, we can,
00:35:31.840
or we can reason from, but any fact upon which we disagree on either side, we throw off the table.
00:35:37.280
I said, that's political civility. I said, I haven't even been civil to myself over the years
00:35:42.320
because I've been referring to myself as a brain dead liberal.
00:35:44.960
So next week, the Village Voice comes out, the whole front page is why Dave Mamet says,
00:35:51.840
I am no longer a brain dead liberal. And so I was blacklisted. But the funny thing was,
00:35:58.960
when I wrote the article, I was a brain dead liberal and I was admitting it. Isn't that cute?
00:36:05.600
Which a lot of people of my generation, maybe younger, they will say that if you talk to them,
00:36:10.240
say, how can you vote for these policies? I'm a liberal, right? So that's what I was saying,
00:36:16.400
but I ain't a liberal no more. I think that was around 2005. Given what you're seeing on the
00:36:23.920
streets of Los Angeles, can we still in this fight for the country? Is civility, as we fight for this,
00:36:32.160
to save our republic, is civility still high on your list? Well, civility is important.
00:36:40.720
In the halls of Congress, and civility is important in the news, and it's important in the courts. But at
00:36:47.360
some point, a fight is a fight. And when Tim Waltz made them evacuate the police station, that was Fort
00:36:57.760
Sumter. That was the beginning of a pro-Dromal civil war, which we have in front of us now. And there's
00:37:04.080
a great book written by a guy who was a grand duke of Russia, Alexei, a grand duke of Russia. He was the
00:37:09.680
head of the Air Force leading up to World War I. He was the cousin of the Tsar. They were like
00:37:15.600
brothers. And he wrote a book in exile after the Bolshevik Revolution. He said there was nobody home.
00:37:21.440
He said, we could have stopped the Bolsheviks in the suburbs of St. Petersburg with the company of
00:37:28.880
infantry. So at some point, if you are constantly calling at the poker table, someone's going to
00:37:37.440
raise you out and steal all your aunties and send you walking back to Houston. So as I was listening
00:37:42.480
to you earlier, at some point, one has to stand up. And when all other remedies are exhausted,
00:37:49.600
the individual and the state have the right to defend itself.
00:37:55.360
You know California, you know Los Angeles. Is that the moment we're in right now? I mean,
00:37:59.200
the president says, hey, he's going to call for the Insurrection Act. He's already federalized the
00:38:03.760
National Guard over the wishes of the state governor. He is he is about to have a battalion
00:38:10.800
of U.S. Marines active duty actually come up from 29 Palms. Are we at that moment right now in Los
00:38:18.560
Angeles? Well, of course. Yes, of course we are. And what the what people haven't been saying or I
00:38:25.920
haven't been hearing is that the idea of a sanctuary state in the sanctuary city
00:38:33.520
is insurrection. It's it's it's it's and I don't understand. And I know that, you know,
00:38:40.400
Trump wants to wants to wants to do reason first. Of course, he wants to diplomacy first. Of course,
00:38:45.920
he does. But what he's looking at, what we're all looking at is basically sedition and secession.
00:38:51.200
And at some point, either has to stop or the country is going to fall apart.
00:38:58.000
Now, I was raised in Richmond, Virginia, and, you know, I said this. I'd like to have your
00:39:04.080
thoughts on this about the sanctuary cities, sanctuary states is Governor Newsom kind of
00:39:08.640
sounds like a neoconfederate. I mean, there's one thing about federalism, but he's like hardcore
00:39:13.520
states. Right. This is like John C. Calhoun versus Andrew Jackson. Is it not, sir? Well, I don't think
00:39:19.280
he's talking about states rights. I think he's talking about who me and if we don't let the
00:39:25.120
illegals in, who's going to vote for me? Because the constitution is fairly clear and the supremacy
00:39:31.520
clause is fairly clear. And, you know, the the the the insurrection clauses are fairly clear that
00:39:39.040
someone has to stop this rioting and that Bass is not going to do it. And Newsom is not going to do
00:39:46.960
it. And as American citizens, we're entitled to the protection of the law, which is why federal law
00:39:53.760
trumps state law. But it hasn't done so for the last four, six, eight years. And if it doesn't
00:40:03.760
assert itself, we don't have a country left anymore. And that's the issue that Trump ran on and got an
00:40:08.960
overwhelming majority of us fellow Americans to say, yes, that's right. And and that's where we are now.
00:40:15.760
How's it going to end? We don't know. But what we do know is that it's a fight. Could it be settled
00:40:21.660
peacefully? I hope so. But it's going to have to be settled.
00:40:29.920
Well, we thought we settled it peacefully at the ballot box where you said overwhelming and the polls
00:40:34.320
are coming out today. I want to go back, though, something fascinating you said about Tim Waltz and
00:40:38.500
about the summer of love of 2020, where this was not addressed as forthrightly as as as looks like
00:40:46.440
it's being addressed now. You said he had the police leave their the police headquarters. You call that
00:40:52.620
Fort Sumner. What do you mean? Yeah. Well, that was really the first shot of of an escalation and what
00:41:00.940
is a pro-drobal civil war between the people who want to have the rule of law and the Constitution
00:41:10.100
And so we had a summer full of riots because not only individuals who were misguided and some
00:41:23.160
individuals who like chaos and there are a lot of them. But organizations like Black Lives Matter,
00:41:31.020
which sprang into being to capitalize on chaos and anarchy, took a lot of power and scared of a lot of
00:41:39.920
people. And we're still working our way out of that. Where's it going to end? I don't know.
00:41:47.260
What do you think? Before we go to break, I do. I want to pull up something from the book.
00:41:53.400
Trump is a hero in his airs. God willing, will increase the longevity of the American experiment.
00:41:59.540
Do you see that? Is that what this fight's about on the streets of Los Angeles, sir?
00:42:04.620
Of course. Listen, I live here in Los Angeles because I like to be close to my taxes.
00:42:11.080
And my wife grew up in Edinburgh in Scotland. So like anybody from the British Isles,
00:42:15.840
they see this weather. They ain't never leaving. But it's the edge of oppressiveness. We just saw
00:42:22.720
we have to evacuate our home during the fires because Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom and the fire
00:42:29.040
commissioner of L.A. thought the DEI was more important than water. It's a sick community.
00:42:36.400
And it's going to have to, it's either going to be healed or it's going to dissolve and something is
00:42:43.100
going to take a place. But what a lot of the stupid, the idiocy of the left and the fellow travelers,
00:42:49.580
we'll call them, the liberals don't understand, is that anarchy is always an excuse for somebody
00:42:55.800
to take power because someone's always going to take power. So they say, let's do away with the
00:43:00.960
Constitution. Well, what do you replace it with? I don't know. Well, what rules do you employ to
00:43:07.220
determine what you should replace it with? I don't know. Well, then in a legitimate conversation,
00:43:12.720
your next question to the liberal would be, well, don't you think it's a better idea then
00:43:16.320
to keep the Constitution? But they say, no, no, no, we must rely on feelings. What about the poor this?
00:43:23.700
What about the poor that? Well, that's true. But the Jewish law says, do justice, love, mercy in that
00:43:32.600
order. That's not the other way around. David, hang on for one second. David Mamet joins us.
00:43:40.300
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00:45:27.460
David, you talked to Bill Maher on his podcast about you had been on television or President Trump
00:45:32.400
had seen you and then he called you the next day or called you shortly thereafter and said,
00:45:38.560
I wanted to make sure you understood about the stolen election of 2020. How did that conversation go?
00:45:44.560
It was great. David, I talked to him several times when we were both in the entertainment business. I
00:45:51.280
hadn't talked to him since, but I said, my God. I said, Mr. President, thank you for everything, blah,
00:45:55.480
blah, blah. No, he said, okay, okay, okay. But he says, well, you know, the election was stolen. I said,
00:46:00.160
yes, sir, Mr. President, right. You're absolutely correct. I backed off, which is a big mistake. A lot
00:46:05.280
of people make it today. They're called liberals, right? Well, why get into trouble? But he said,
00:46:11.540
well, the counting of the ballots, obviously, and the fake ballots and the mail-in ballots and the lack
00:46:20.320
of voter ID and Zuckerberg getting strong-armed and the Russia collusion hoax and blah, blah. But he
00:46:30.740
went down. He was great. I thought, yeah, okay. You know, I'm with you.
00:46:38.440
He's got it. Your first directorial effort was House of Games, which is an American classic.
00:46:44.200
You've just finished the film, Henry Johnson. Can you tell us about it?
00:46:47.680
Yeah, yeah. I did a movie with Shia LaBeouf and Evan John, a guy called Henry Johnson.
00:46:51.580
You can get it at henryjohnsonmovie.com. And it's a play about a guy who's so involved in doing good
00:46:59.480
that he destroys everyone he touches. And he goes from being a well-thought-of executive in some
00:47:05.520
outfit to being tried for embezzlement, to going to jail, and eventually getting involved in a jail
00:47:12.800
break and ends up as a murderer. And then the fun begins. So we had a great time doing that. And I'm
00:47:19.280
about to start doing another movie in the fall. So I went back after about 10 years. The previous
00:47:24.300
movie I did for HBO was Phil Spector with Al Pacino. So I'm now going to go back after Henry
00:47:29.800
Johnson and shoot another brand new movie in the fall.
00:47:34.060
So you're getting back into both writing and directing?
00:47:40.360
How did you hit such a home run with House of Games? I mean, normally someone's first
00:47:45.920
director is tough. That film is an absolute classic. Of course, the cast, you absolutely
00:47:54.860
Well, Peter Yates, the great director, Peter Yates, who directed, among other things, Bullet
00:48:01.300
and Robbery and Friends of Eddie Coils, Brit, but is a terrific American-ish director. He was
00:48:09.380
going to direct it, but he fell out at the last minute. So he had this whole movie ready to go.
00:48:14.900
And he said, well, why don't you direct it? So I said, well, okay. I said, I did a lot of directing
00:48:19.400
in the theater. And I've done a lot of, watched 10,000, 20,000 movies. I got to sit down and plan
00:48:26.960
the thing out to the last syllable of recorded time. Because other than that, I have no experience
00:48:33.440
movie directing to fall back on. So I was saying it's like when you fly an airplane, when you do
00:48:38.760
your first solo, when you get your, you do your first solo. The first time you're alone in an
00:48:44.260
airplane, they say, okay, do three landings. And everybody says, they're going to be the best
00:48:48.900
landings of your life. Because you got, right? All you have is precepts and technique. And you say to
00:48:58.940
yourself, you take off, you're doing your solo. The first thing you say, this is great. And the
00:49:04.200
second thing you say is, Lord have mercy, there's nobody in this stupid plane but me.
00:49:12.180
Henry Johnson, was that a play first? Or is this an original screenplay that you then decided to
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No, I wrote it as a play for Shia LaBeouf. And we did it. My friend Marjorie Lewis Ryan directed it
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in a little ADC theater in Los Angeles. And then we finished our run. And the guy said, well,
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let's do it as a movie. So we did it at the time of my life doing it.
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Well, tell me about, how did you get this idea? Someone that's always doing good, all of a sudden
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everything he touches turns awful? Or he hurts people because everything he wants to do and
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Well, it has to do with abortion. And I said that they should advertise the film by saying,
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it's not about abortion. Because that's a pretty good advertising line. But I met a guy and I was
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talking to him. He's a friend of a friend. And they said, come over for dinner with me and my wife
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this weekend. He said, I can't. I'm going up to Tehachapi Prison. I said, oh, why are you going to
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Tehachapi? What's up? He said, well, I'm going to go see a friend of mine. He's not really a friend.
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He's an acquaintance. He's up there doing six years for rape and manslaughter. I said,
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uh-huh. Tell me the story. He said, well, there's this guy. I knew him from college. He's a friend
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of a friend. And he has this affair with this young woman. And she gets pregnant. And he says,
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I want you to abort the child. And she says, I don't want to. And he says, well, I'll give you
00:50:39.500
money to abort the child. She said, I'd really rather not. So they spend one last night together.
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They have a wild fling. And while they're having sex, he introduces an abortifacient into her body
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and kills the child. So he gets tried. And he goes to jail for six years. And so this friend
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of a friend is going to Tehachapi to visit him. I said, well, you're going to visit this guy?
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And my friend says, well, you know, I think he's paying his debt to society. I said, I don't think
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he's paying his debt to society. I think he's being punished. How can he? He doesn't have a debt to
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society. He has an undischargeable debt to that woman and her child. Now he says, no, no,
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you're certainly you're absolutely wrong. My friend says he deserves compassion. And when he
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gets out, I'm going to see that he gets a job. So I started thinking about thinking, that's crazy.
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That's absolutely nuts. And then now we find out that all the people on death row were probably
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pardoned by some staffer, some second level staffer in the White House. So if we don't have a criminal
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system, everything always devolves to, quote, compassion, we're in a lot of trouble. You
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know, another Jewish thing is compassion to the evil is tyranny to the good. So that's what this
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movie is about. And I'm really happy with it. It's a really good film.
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Henryjohnson.com. We're going to push it more in the second hour.
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Take a short commercial break. David Mamet's going to stick around with us.
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With the score from The Right Stuff, a classic movie by Philip Kaufman off of a
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