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00:07:14.580Our guest, they still call him the alleged assassin, but the assassin.
00:07:18.440Walk us through what is going on, ma'am.
00:07:21.880Yeah, a lot of developments here, Steve.
00:07:24.000Certainly within the last couple of days.
00:07:26.460I know we spoke this weekend about this manhunt.
00:07:28.960Well, that manhunt has since come to an end since we were able to speak after the horrific deaths of the highest ranking DFL member of the House, Melissa Hortman, and her husband, Mark.
00:07:40.740They were killed, assassinated by Vance Bolter, who is now charged for their deaths and also the horrific attacks that took place at Senator Hoffman's home.
00:07:53.500He was shot multiple times along with his wife.
00:07:55.540So this man, Bolter, went ahead and he was impersonating a law enforcement officer when he went to these homes very early on Saturday morning.
00:08:05.900We now since have learned that he stopped in total at four homes that morning in the course of about 90 minutes or so when these attacks took place very early Saturday morning.
00:08:16.680So they unveiled at this press conference that took place just a couple of hours ago here in downtown Minneapolis.
00:08:23.720They showed pictures of what they recovered from his vehicles that morning, including it was five different firearms, cash.
00:08:35.180They first described this as a manifesto, but you're right, Steve, it was really more of a hit list.
00:08:48.720Also a Planned Parenthood location and some other locations there as well.
00:08:53.880We obtained this list through law enforcement sources and went ahead and released it after Bolter's capture just late last night.
00:09:03.860It was about 1030 or excuse me, probably about 930 central time that he was spotted.
00:09:10.240Well, finally was arrested in a cornfield, basically very close to his residence in Green Isle, Minnesota.
00:09:20.100There was a large manhunt and they took him into custody.
00:09:25.000He ended up raising his hands in the air, walking toward a bearcat, a SWAT vehicle and surrendering.
00:09:30.860And he identified himself right away as Vance Bolter, putting an end to this nearly 48-hour manhunt, the largest manhunt in Minnesota state history.
00:09:43.360Do we have any idea, since there's not a manifesto, we understand he spied on people or these things were pretty planned.
00:09:50.980Do we have any idea of why he decided to go assassinate some elected officials, ma'am, and stalked or at least looked like he had plans to assassinate others?
00:10:05.480Acting U.S. Attorney Joe Thompson took quite a few questions from reporters at this press conference.
00:10:10.160But specifically, he said, you know, responding to reports of this manifesto written by Bolter, Thompson said he'd not seen anything like a Unabomber-style manifesto in his writings.
00:10:22.420It sounds like they recovered some writings not only from his vehicle, but from his residence in Green Isle as well.
00:10:28.460So they're sifting through all of that.
00:10:32.820As the specific list that we've obtained at Alpha News does have this list of about 60 Democrats on it and then some Planned Parenthood locations.
00:10:43.560It does seem that the paperwork suggests that he was in some sort of financial straits when all of this had been going on.
00:10:52.480He was renting a room in Minneapolis where he would stay for the last two or three years just a couple of times a week.
00:10:58.740And some neighbors I spoke with there said it was very odd.
00:11:01.280He seemed to be dressing as a detective a lot.
00:11:04.660And today we kind of connected some of those dots.
00:11:06.620They were saying that he was surveilling a lot of these people.
00:11:10.600He had a lot of ramblings and writings in regards to certain lawmakers.
00:11:15.960And I expect that we'll probably get more on all of that connected to this court case.
00:11:21.240But they're not even ruling out the death penalty at this point.
00:11:25.260And he today seemed to sit in court kind of expressionless and did ask for a public defender saying that, you know, he could not afford an attorney at this time.
00:11:39.080So still a lot more questions than answers in Minnesota here, I think.
00:12:24.240Governor Walz has since come out and it sounds like told the Minnesota Star Tribune that he wasn't aware of who he was.
00:12:31.920And we were actually seeing his social media, Vance Bolter's social media, sort of disappear in real time on Saturday morning.
00:12:39.960And this is actually after they were releasing his his picture, because somehow after these horrific acts, he was able to get to a bank on Saturday morning at about 9 a.m.
00:12:52.160And this is where you see the picture of him and his cowboy hat.
00:13:41.300If you haven't downloaded Alpha News, make sure you do it.
00:13:44.460Any news coming out of Minnesota, Liz, who's a veteran of local Minnesota news for decades, is always ahead of the curve.
00:13:51.880I've got a cold open compiled, compiled of an interview that Prime Minister Netanyahu gave to Jonathan Karl and then a couple of clips of Tucker Carlson.
00:14:02.100And then my dear friend and colleague, Yoram Hazani, will join us.
00:18:33.620Well, we are reaching the climax of a campaign that began on October 7th, 2023.
00:18:40.580Everybody remembers the days after the surprise attack from Gaza.
00:18:48.300Prime Minister Netanyahu, his chief of staff, his defense minister, stood before the Israeli people night after night and before the world.
00:19:00.540And they promised that this was going to be a long war.
00:19:05.600They promised that the war was not going to end in Gaza or in Lebanon or in Yemen, but that it was going to once and for all reach Iran.
00:19:18.100Now, you have to understand that many people in the United States, younger people are waking up, you know, just the last couple of months or the last few years, waking up to realize that there's been this longstanding warfare between Israel and Iran.
00:19:38.760And many people don't realize how long this has been going or how deeply felt it is in the state of Israel.
00:19:46.340Well, across the political spectrum, left and right, for the last 20 years, Iran has been considered to be the number one threat to the state of Israel and to the Jewish people.
00:19:58.140The reason for this, among other things, is because the Iranians have never blushed about their goal to eradicate the state of Israel.
00:20:09.140This is something that they say on a daily basis.
00:20:14.620And the goal of putting nuclear weapons and missile systems, ballistic missile systems, capable of delivering those weapons to the state of Israel and to other countries in the region and in Europe and beyond,
00:20:30.280that is something that for 20 years, all Israeli leaders from all major parties have agreed cannot be allowed to happen.
00:21:09.180And I have to say, just about President Trump, there have been a series of American presidents who have not allowed Israel to pursue this course.
00:21:18.660And they've kicked the can down the road.
00:21:20.900They've assumed that somehow it would be taken care of later, especially President Obama and President Biden considered Iran to be not an enemy, but a potential friend and ally that needed to be coddled and brought in.
00:21:37.400President Trump is the first U.S. President Trump is the first U.S. president who has allowed the state of Israel to pursue its necessary actions for its own defense by seeking the, once and for all, the elimination of the Iranian nuclear program.
00:21:52.640But his goal was to do it by negotiations, right?
00:21:58.800And, you know, B.B. comes on Fox News on Sunday and basically lets the cat out of the bag.
00:22:04.660Last week we were told it had to happen in 24 hours.
00:22:07.300It had to happen on Thursday and Friday.
00:22:14.480B.B. then says on Sunday night that, oh, when pressed by Brett Baird and not pressed that much, that intelligence had come different than Tulsi Gabbard had given publicly back in March where she said there's no real active program.
00:22:28.040And no U.S. government official has ever countered that.
00:22:32.120B.B. says, well, they've done some things.
00:22:51.860Why all of a sudden we have to go with where we have 12 to 13 months?
00:22:57.560Steve, you and I both remember President Trump in his first speeches laying out this policy.
00:23:05.740He was already saying it last December and January and February when he came into the administration.
00:23:11.380President Trump, as far as I'm aware, has not budged an inch, not an inch.
00:23:16.880His policy, he must have said this a hundred times, his policy was Iran cannot get a nuclear bomb.
00:23:24.120If we can get it by negotiation, that's what we're going to do.
00:23:27.820And if we can't get it by negotiation, then we're going to have to do it some other way.
00:23:32.320We've all heard him say this over and over again.
00:23:35.000And I don't know that there is some kind of a difficulty.
00:23:40.500I think you feel this as much as I do, that the last few months have been kind of crazy on the MAGA right, like in terms of the things people are accusing one another of and saying.
00:23:53.020But I think that any kind of a cold look at this would understand President Trump.
00:25:00.880I'm not one of these people who is out there pounding the pavement for America to be involved in this war or in any war.
00:25:09.100But I do think that over the last few months, there's been a change in the sources of information that people are using on the right in order to discuss the Middle East.
00:25:19.640I don't fully understand it, but I do know that at least one of our mutual friends said publicly on social media that he reads Haaretz every day.
00:25:31.040And reading Haaretz is literally reading the Israeli communists.
00:25:37.080And the distortions that you get from information, if that's the sources of information, are problematic.
00:25:44.120So let's take this example that Tucker brought up the supposed 30 percent popularity rating of Bibi Netanyahu.
00:25:50.780So I heard that this evening and I went and I checked it.
00:25:53.920And the most recent polls put Bibi Netanyahu at 54 percent with 30 points ahead of Naftali Bennett, who is the number two contender for the prime ministership.
00:26:07.820So Bibi, and by the way, if you go back a month or two and take a look at the same poll before the war, you'll see that it was almost exactly the same.
00:26:17.960There's been nobody anywhere near Bibi Netanyahu in terms of popularity as far as appropriateness to be the prime minister of the state of Israel for years.
00:26:29.040And so, look, we have to get back to the point where all of us, NatCon, nationalist, conservative people, we have different views on different things.
00:26:39.120But we've got to get back to the point where we're having a reasonable conversation where the information that we're using is information that's based on facts.
00:26:49.080That's unfortunately not what's happening the last couple of months.
00:27:20.780There's a huge disconnect between what's being said one time and then kind of a reverse course.
00:27:27.560I didn't hear the Bret Baier interview.
00:27:30.880And I also don't think that it's my job.
00:27:33.840Look, I'm not an employee of the Israeli government, and I don't feel the need to defend absolutely everything that Prime Minister Netanyahu says.
00:27:43.180I don't know what happened in the particular meeting that we're talking about, and I don't know how the decision was made.
00:27:49.940But I do know something that I think, to my mind, is much more important, which is that 75 percent of Israelis support this war.
00:27:58.380And the reason, that's as of last night, the reason that 75 percent of Israelis support this war is because for 20 years we've been living with the threat of the development of nuclear weapons by the Iranian regime.
00:28:14.520For the Israeli public, the Israeli public doesn't know and frankly doesn't care whether the breakout was supposed to be in four or five days or in four or five weeks or in four or five months.
00:28:26.460What nobody argues about at all is that the Iranians want a nuclear weapon, that they're working on building it as hard as they could for all of these years.
00:28:38.200And for Israelis, that's an existential threat.
00:28:40.720Now, it may be that there are people in the United States who, at this point, have something of a revisionist view.
00:28:47.220They've been reading hearts and they don't remember that just a few months ago it was a matter of consensus between nationalist conservatives.
00:28:54.700You know, America, Europe, India, Israel, everybody knew that Iran was seeking to become the hegemon, the dominant player in the Middle East, that it was supplying proxy terrorist organizations and that it was seeking a nuclear weapon.
00:29:13.820There wasn't any kind of secret about this.
00:29:16.480This has been discussed for 15 years openly.
00:29:19.400So if Netanyahu made a decision that it was now or never, because Trump had said, this is what the Israeli public is hearing in any case, Trump said that the Iranians had 60 days to come to a deal.
00:29:36.280After 61, something terrible was going to happen.
00:29:38.600And if you get to day 61, it's entirely possible that Netanyahu says, and his cabinet, they say, look, it's now or never.
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00:34:03.140They were against the establishment of the state of Israel.
00:34:05.720It is a newspaper that has, over the years, fought tooth and nail for what we in Israel call post-Zionism, for the elimination of the Jewish character of the state, for the elimination of the right of return to Jews to the state of Israel.
00:34:25.060And on political issues, like I say, something on the order of up to half of their writers and editors are members of the Israel Communist Party.
00:34:40.400You're reading party line when you're reading Haaretz.
00:34:45.620It makes no sense that any conservative of any kind, nationalist, traditionalist, Christian, Jewish, anybody with any kind of a feeling for the Jewish and Christian inheritance of the West, would soak their brain daily in a propaganda sheet of that kind.
00:35:08.260I mean, imagine somebody from another country coming to the United States and saying, yeah, I read the New York Times.
00:35:20.400That's not a fair analogy because the New York Times is far to the right of Haaretz.
00:35:24.580But if somebody said to you, I know America because I read the New York Times every day, you'd say, come on, give me a break.
00:35:53.400Whatever it's got to do, obviously, and they have this war right now against the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza.
00:35:58.780If they feel that they're threatened immediately with some sort of breakout and their intelligence tells them that, that they have no problem with Israel doing what a sovereign nation can do.
00:36:10.520The issue is that that is predicated upon at least air defense by the United States and now tremendous pressure on President Trump to actually go on to air offensive sorties, combat sorties.
00:36:24.800The Nimitz battle group is en route from the South China Sea.
00:36:28.000We're forward deploying a bunch of tanker, you know, refueling assets, air refueling assets.
00:36:36.220What is your response to people who say, hey, look, whatever you guys do, go do it.
00:36:40.360Just like in Gaza, we said, hey, if you've got to go through hell, go through as quickly as possible.
00:36:45.620But we want absolutely no involvement with it, sir.
00:36:48.640My first answer is, like I said before, is gratitude.
00:36:53.720Thank God that we have President Trump instead of a President Biden or Obama who is allowing Israel to take care of very basic security needs that for decades have been put off.
00:37:09.680With regard to American involvement, I'm aware, as you are, that lots of people are saying lots of different things.
00:37:16.760I would like to repeat the official position of the Israeli government.
00:37:23.980I'll quote two people who are old friends, Giron Saar, the foreign minister, and Tzahi Hanegbi, the national security advisor, both people who I've known for many years.
00:37:45.600It's designed to be an operation that Israel can pull off by itself.
00:37:50.400Now, anybody who's following this a little bit understands that there are some things that would be easier for the Americans to do than for the Israelis.
00:38:02.480But that doesn't mean that the Americans have to do it.
00:38:05.700It doesn't mean that they have any kind of obligation.
00:38:07.560Israel believes, and before I got on this evening, I called a military officer, a friend of mine, just to make sure that I'm updated on what people are thinking.
00:38:23.120What people are thinking is, take that underground nuclear facility in Fardau, which is the subject that everybody's been talking about, that it's a deep underground, and there's no way that Israel can do it.
00:38:37.220And the Israelis know that the Americans are going to have to do it.
00:38:39.760Look, obviously, the B-2 can take it out better than Israel can.
00:38:51.180And I went through a number of scenarios with them.
00:38:54.180I don't think it makes sense to detail them here.
00:38:57.040But let's just say there are aerial scenarios where Israel has techniques that it believes it can use to get through, to get to the bottom of that mountain and eliminate that nuclear base.
00:39:09.700There are all sorts of scenarios that involve ground forces, and I won't go into this further.
00:39:14.520Israel has the ability to take out every single facility that we need to take out.
00:39:21.340The only question is how risky, how hard is it going to be?
00:39:25.060And as I told you in the break, nobody has ever heard me calling for American troops to be sent not into Iraq and not into Afghanistan, not into Serbia.
00:41:00.800Tulsi Gabbard is, because this gets down to a very confusing situation.
00:41:04.460You see, even with Yoram, we don't agree on certain basic facts, but that's okay.
00:41:09.540About the intel here, Tulsi Gabbard testified, I think on 25 March, that there was no program.
00:41:17.600They hadn't reinitiated a program, and that was kind of the official intelligence party line of the Trump administration.
00:41:25.820You're saying there's been a breakdown of intelligence in your Substack piece, which is quite brilliant.
00:41:31.580You're saying your money right now is on Israelis.
00:41:34.460Can you walk us through what the breakdown you think is, and why do you think their intelligence may be better than ours?
00:41:41.400Well, yeah, I mean, let's start with this.
00:41:43.140Up front, you know, I'm not trashing Tulsi Gabbard, who I don't know.
00:41:47.100She's the DCI, she's the head of the intelligence community, but what's she doing?
00:41:51.600She's presenting to Congress an official report that is a joint product of all the intelligence agencies.
00:41:57.680So she's reading a document that was written for her.
00:42:02.000But this is CIA, DIA, NSA, everybody in the world comes together, and she delivers this presentation the end of March.
00:42:10.300It's a required product, and it says there is no Iranian nuclear weapons program, and in effect, short version, there hasn't been one since 2003.
00:42:20.040So that's, that's what, that's two and a half months ago, and now we have the Israelis bombing everything in Iran.
00:42:30.500In the Israeli line is not just as, is there a nuclear weapons program, but there has been a nuclear weapons program, and it's really close to fruition.
00:42:41.920Now, I take your point that their, their definition of how close it is to fruition seems to have danced around recently.
00:42:51.360But even taking that into account, these, it'd be pretty hard to imagine two conclusions that are more diametrically opposed.
00:43:01.720I mean, we're saying as an intel community.
00:43:03.520This is not a, this is not a, this is not, it's either one of, I mean, ours is pretty adamant, and it hasn't been updated by anybody publicly.
00:43:10.740The other is that, and this is where it came out of nowhere, like on Thursday, I mean, it had been rumored, and people have been talking.
00:43:17.760I know there's been meetings in the White House and others, but all of a sudden, Thursday night, we're going for a early Friday morning bombing because something's happening this weekend.
00:43:26.860So how do we have that, I mean, how can those both be absorbed by decision makers at the National Security Council and people that are advising the president on matters of war and peace?
00:43:39.240Yeah, well, I mean, there's, that's the question, right?
00:43:43.700I mean, we, we were just told they don't have a program, not just they're further away from it than the Israelis claim.
00:43:53.240And in effect, our assessment was they haven't had a program since 2003.
00:43:58.480Now the Israelis are saying we got to bomb the hell out of them right now because they're about to pop one off and have an active arsenal.
00:44:05.960Again, pretty hard to imagine two more diametrically opposed assessments.
00:44:10.700Now, based on the totality of what I know and my experience, I unfortunately think the Israelis are closer to the truth, but maybe more to the point, it seems pretty clear that even though our intelligence community said there wasn't a nuclear weapons program, that all of a sudden our entire national security apparatus is acting like there is one, right?
00:44:34.400We didn't respond to this by saying, you guys are a bunch of crazy people, what the heck are you bombing?
00:44:42.260And as you noted, you know, there's been all sorts of reports that we're moving aerial refueling assets by the dozens in toward the Middle East as if we're prepping ourselves to potentially jump into this thing, which I am not a fan of.
00:44:59.300But all of that suggests that we think the Israelis are a heck of a lot closer to the truth than we are.
00:45:07.420And frankly, it scares the hell out of me because intelligence is power, right?
00:45:14.720If we're relying upon the Israelis to be the ones who tell us what's going on and we don't have a clue, then we're effectively held hostage to them.
00:45:27.080And look, I've worked with the Israelis, their allies, I support the state of Israel, but I support the United States more.
00:45:35.300And we shouldn't be in a position of basically being blind and having to trust that the Israelis are telling us the truth all the time and that we can rely upon them.
00:45:46.940We should also keep in mind, by the way, they are human, too.
00:46:07.300Real quickly, we've got about a minute.
00:46:09.440I know your other thing you do in your spare moments, you're one of the leaders of the MAGA, America First, Patriot movement in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
00:46:18.400When B.B. Netanyahu tells Jonathan Karl, ABC News, this is not about America First, this is about America Dead, give me 30 seconds.
00:46:24.940How does that sit with you, Sam Faddis?
00:50:10.440But I would like to, I think, respectfully push back on what Yoram Hazoni was trying to pitch to our audience.
00:50:18.460I think, frankly, you lose the argument when your first line of attack is sort of in line with the left wing's idea that the sourcing of your information,
00:50:28.300whether it's misinformation or disinformation or it's just some, you know, far left news outlet,
00:50:32.500that that's why Americans are so misguided on this sort of Iranian, I think, which has become a flashpoint for what is a broader discussion about where our priorities,
00:50:42.860whether it's financial or otherwise or other regions, when it comes down to Israel and the Middle East.
00:50:47.940Frankly, I think what is going on with Israel, it's not rooted in misinformation or some far left Israeli narrative being spun.
00:50:55.100One, what you're talking about right now is President Trump having the opportunity and the ability to, I think, really push through the kinetic codification of what he has done in terms of burden sharing
00:51:07.160and the idea of getting European countries, whether it's to pay their fair share via NATO, to actually pitch in to defense with Ukraine,
00:51:15.380to actually have these countries follow through on what very well may be flimsy or hyperbolic rhetoric, right,
00:51:22.100like you've been alluding to, Tulsi Gabbard, talking about sort of the weird, you know, struck up out of nowhere idea that now suddenly we've hit the, you know, point of no return when it comes to Iranian nuclear capabilities.
00:51:34.960But what is, I think, so different is that this is the Trump administration's ability to, I think, actually put America first
00:51:46.220and sort of triumph and prevail over these forces and realizing that there are different geographic definitions of what nationalism is.
00:51:54.080And Yoram Hazzoni, who's done wonderful work through NatCon, but he is Israeli.
00:52:00.800And what he thinks America's response should be through the paradigm of what suits Israel is going to be different from what you and I think because we're American.
00:52:08.520And that's the core idea of what it means to be a member of the MAGA movement, right, that your citizenship means something.
00:52:13.740It's why we're so opposed to H-1B visas.
00:52:17.040And to link this to the story that I know you want to get into, talking about who's been funding a lot of these left-wing protesters and rioters in L.A.,
00:52:24.500particularly one group, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, we can toss the picture up on screen.
00:52:29.800Right, this is a group that now we've just...
00:52:32.100But hang on one second. Hang on one second.
00:52:34.040I think that was tremendous in the rumble chat.
00:52:36.540I appreciate you being the stepping forward.
00:52:38.600What we should be focused on, as I said with Tucker today, and I said when I did Tucker's podcast, which should be up in a while,
00:52:46.060is that of all these things we're working on, the main battlefront here is our sovereignty, citizenship, sealing the border,
00:52:55.060and mass deportations of these illegal alien invaders.
00:52:57.900And you're seeing this fight all across.
00:53:00.300And I've been saying we need to pivot away from this, because part of this whole thing with Iran or Persia is to distract us, is to get us off this.
00:53:09.720And so I've got you, I've got John Lott has an amazing story, and Steve Cortez has some incredible polling that he and his organization have done.
00:53:17.100So as a piece, I want to go through this.
00:54:01.840Well, I think your, you know, use of the word war, that's sort of where I was going.
00:54:06.100We are letting the same people who are funding these left-wing NGOs, the groups that orchestrated the invasion at the southern border,
00:54:12.220now determine, again, people who don't believe in sovereignty, don't believe in borders, tell us that we should be at war,
00:54:18.660and that Iran is our new enemy, and that we need to just blindly support escalation into kinetic conflict, right, in that region.
00:54:25.680And I think in the same way that all of these, whether it's the left-wing sort of NGO groups that have been funding,
00:54:31.660whether it's groups like the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, all the far-left groups, the Tides Foundation, the Tides Center, the Open Society Foundations,
00:54:38.820those people don't care about sovereignty, and now all of a sudden they're the same people who are funding the experts
00:54:44.680that are saying that the United States somehow to defend Israeli sovereignty needs to get dragged into another conflict in the Middle East.
00:54:51.560I mean, I'm old enough to remember when, what was it, the Biden regime over at the Pentagon was busy ramming through Iranian spies,
00:54:58.380and then once they were outed, they were busy working overtime to ensure that they could keep their clearances.
00:55:04.040So all of these people who are making up the rules of what kinetic conflict looks like,
00:55:07.920it's not altruism, it's not rooted in defending the nation-state, it's about profit, it's about power.
00:55:13.360Case in point, what Iran has done, read the nuclear program, I'd like to introduce them to the Chinese Communist Party,
00:55:20.160which they're all in business with, they have no problem taking money from them, right?