Bannon's War Room - Episode 4567： Mainstream Bangs The War Drum

00:00:00.000 went on the air. He said, quote, we know exactly where the so-called supreme leader is hiding.

00:00:05.280 He is an easy target, but is safe there. We are not going to take him out, kill, at least not for

00:00:10.940 now. But we don't want missile shot at civilians or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin.

00:00:16.420 You part ways with the president on that issue. You think he should be taken out?

00:00:21.020 Well, I'm going to, I trust the president's judgment. Very much I trust his judgment.

00:00:26.380 And I think for now is the term the Ayatollah should understand in Trump world is ever changing.

00:00:32.780 So what is the president trying to do? He's letting the Ayatollah know if you attack American interests,

00:00:37.720 that's the end of you and your regime. What am I trying to do? I'm trying to make the case

00:00:43.100 that ending Iran's nuclear ambitions is not only good for Israel, it's good for us. 0.54

00:00:48.700 And we're, they're the weakest they've been since 1979. This region since 1979 has been a,

00:00:55.620 this regime has been repressing their people, trying to destroy Israel and have American blood

00:01:00.860 on their hands. I hope it's eliminated. I would like to see this regime fall, but I'm going to leave 0.99

00:01:06.460 it up to the president as to what to do and when to do it. But I do know this, if we don't take out

00:01:11.820 their nuclear program now, we'll all regret it. We're very close. Be all in, Mr. President,

00:01:17.220 in helping Israel finish the job. And let's see where we're at after we neutralize their nuclear 0.99

00:01:22.580 program. They're in disarray and they're very dangerous. I don't want to underestimate the danger

00:01:27.900 of being involved in these operations. But the danger of Iran having a nuclear weapon or surviving

00:01:34.200 as a state sponsor of terrorism is far greater than the danger of trying to end the threat. So that's

00:01:40.960 the decision President Trump has to make. And I think he's the right guy at the right time to make

00:01:45.980 that decision. But I'm hoping the sun is setting not only on their nuclear program, but the regime 0.89

00:01:52.420 itself. Sooner they leave the world stage, the better the world will be. We can have true peace

00:01:58.280 in the Mideast only if the regime falls, in my view. President Trump emerging out of the White House's

00:02:03.960 Situation Room after over an hour of deliberations with his national security team as he's weighing

00:02:08.640 how to respond to the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

00:02:12.440 Sources telling CNN that the president is warming to the idea of using American military assets to

00:02:19.460 strike Iranian nuclear facilities. So joining me now is someone who has spent quite a bit of time

00:02:24.960 in that very room with our presidents. CNN senior military analyst Admiral James Stavridis joins us

00:02:31.200 now. Admiral, I'm so grateful to have you here. And this obviously is a foreign policy challenge that

00:02:37.460 has been on the table for decades, really. What would you be advising the president to do given

00:02:44.600 the facts as we, as members of the public, not privy to classified information, understand them to be

00:02:50.260 right now? Let's go back to the Situation Room itself. What the president deserves in this Situation Room

00:02:59.080 is the best advice. Ultimately, he's going to make the decision. We elected him to make those kind of

00:03:06.100 truly hard calls. But he needs unfettered, unvarnished, take the bark off kind of advice from his cabinet.

00:03:15.940 I hope he's receiving that. I think he's probably got three broad courses of action here, Casey. One is

00:03:23.260 let the Israelis continue to pound away. Another one is put pressure on the Iranians by moving forces 0.96

00:03:32.620 into the region, sort of set the table for strikes, but then use that leverage to get back to a

00:03:39.560 negotiation. That would be option two. And then option three, of course, would be to conduct a strike.

00:03:45.600 Your reporting indicates he's leaning toward option three. I just hope he's getting all of the advice

00:03:52.440 both the pros and the cons of each of those three courses of action. Arabia would like to see the

00:03:58.900 theocracy gone. I know the Emirates would and many other Arab states as well. But then there's the

00:04:04.720 question of what happens if there is a power vacuum there. We saw all too well what happened in Iraq.

00:04:11.120 We saw what happened in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over in literally a matter of hours. You've got

00:04:16.760 competing factions as well who would vie to take over Iran. On the one side, you've got the crown

00:04:22.100 prince, Reza Pahlavi, who would like to go in as an interim leader. On the other side of that fence,

00:04:27.680 you've got the NCRI, the National Council for Resistance in Iran, which used to be the MEK,

00:04:33.940 which a lot of people in Iran say would be worse than the Ayatollah. So what steps into the vacuum

00:04:39.160 if the regime falls? Well, I think what will happen is the Iranian people will know freedom for the

00:04:45.900 first time since 1979. You know, people probably asked that about Hitler in the 30s. What would

00:04:51.400 happen in Germany if we took him out in the mid-30s? Well, I wish we had, because we know what happened

00:04:57.140 when they let him stay in power. And here's what I can say. Taking the Ayatollah's regime down is a good 0.99

00:05:04.100 thing, not a bad thing. And I'm willing to risk what happens next, because I know what's going to happen

00:05:09.640 if they stay in power. But, sir, can you guarantee that? Can President Trump in any form? I mean,

00:05:16.020 can you make the commitment that this would not lead to a longer war? I can guarantee you that if

00:05:21.960 the Ayatollah gets a nuclear weapon, he will use it. I believe that with all my heart and soul. 0.95

00:05:26.740 So the men and women who serve, they're the ones going, not people answering a poll. And if you ask

00:05:32.280 them, would you be willing to risk your life to stop the Ayatollah from having a nuclear weapon? 0.50

00:05:36.920 All of them would say yes, because it makes their country, our country, safer.

00:05:41.600 So we live in a world where you've got to confront problems. You want to avoid World War III? Learn

00:05:46.720 the lessons from World War II. People in World War II appeased Hitler to the point that it got so 0.56

00:05:53.300 much out of hand. We had a world war and 60 million people got killed. So we live in a world where you

00:05:58.920 pay now or you pay later. Let's stop this threat before he gets a nuclear weapon. Let's end this reign of 0.93

00:06:04.660 terror. Let's do it now. It's not going to take 20 months. But I can't guarantee you your freedom

00:06:09.880 and your safety unless we're willing to fight for it. I can guarantee you this. If we don't fight

00:06:15.080 for our freedom, we will lose it.

00:06:16.380 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on

00:06:26.980 these people. Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The

00:06:33.140 people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do

00:06:37.100 everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:06:40.100 And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish

00:06:47.320 that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:06:54.260 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:00.480 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:07:03.900 Tuesday, 17 June, Year of the Lord, 2025. Obviously, a very action-packed afternoon,

00:07:13.640 and we're packed this afternoon. We had a show lined up. We were going to talk about a lot of

00:07:19.560 finance and the good things that are coming out of President Trump's administration economically.

00:07:24.920 We've got a couple of Treasury officials from ahead of the World Bank, Philip Patrick, all that.

00:07:28.820 We're going to get that in, but we've obviously got to talk about what happened to the National

00:07:32.300 Security Council today. President Trump came back from Calgary. I think partially he was bored. Number

00:07:37.360 two, he had to get back to deal with the situation at hand. They did go through alternatives. It's

00:07:44.420 pretty obvious at least one alternative is to consider at least some sort of strike because

00:07:50.520 they're pre-positioning massive assets in the region, both naval assets and air assets,

00:07:57.460 both support logistics assets and also combat aircraft. That has to be viewed as at least

00:08:05.340 negotiating leverage if President Trump is to try to force the hand, which looks like it's either

00:08:11.580 between a full capitulation on the nuclear program or maybe even regime change as this seems to be

00:08:18.220 changing every minute. Let's go to Jack Posobiec. Jack, you're going to be on Tim Pool tonight. Is that

00:08:23.280 correct? People can see you on the Tim Pool show? That's right, Steve. And to the War Room Posse, yes,

00:08:29.120 I'll be on Tim Pool in a couple hours tonight. So we'll be covering all of this live. We'll be

00:08:34.340 taking super chats. We'll be doing all of it right there. We're tracking all of this in real time as

00:08:38.440 well. So, Jack, obviously, in the range of alternatives, President Trump's looked at his

00:08:44.680 current position is, hey, they cannot, I mean, his constant position is they cannot have a nuclear

00:08:49.320 weapon. I've told him they can't have a nuclear weapon. He tried to negotiate. They kind of try

00:08:53.880 to tap him along. He wasn't prepared to be tapped along. The Israelis did what they did. And now we are 0.92

00:09:00.720 where we are. Looks like the range of alternatives to date, Jack, clearly has at least, I mean, you can

00:09:06.960 just tell from the outside action. They haven't released any statement, but clearly a lot of assets

00:09:12.600 are being moved around. We had Admiral Stavridis there in the cold open saying that's to give him

00:09:20.400 a range of alternatives. Admiral Stavridis is correct. This is what he's trying to do is have

00:09:25.320 options to have what we call optionality. Jack, give us your assessment of the options you think

00:09:32.260 are out there. Well, Steve, I think there are a number of options. Obviously, these range from the

00:09:38.860 United States military being ordered to take runs at the political leadership or even the energy or

00:09:46.800 infrastructure of Iran, all of which are capable, all of which are reachable from our air bases

00:09:53.340 throughout the Gulf, including Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia. There's stealth. There's multi-role

00:09:58.740 fighters there, F-35s, F-16s, F-22s. There's also the bombers, the B-52s down at Diego Garcia. And,

00:10:05.600 of course, there's been a lot of talk about the United States coming in and having the weaponry

00:10:10.440 and the firepower to take out this underground base over at Fordow, which is built for this

00:10:16.800 purpose because Israel does not have the bunker-busting bombs or the mops, these GBUs, these 0.68

00:10:22.700 gravity bombs, which the Israelis do not have, but the United States certainly does. This is why they were 1.00

00:10:29.240 built for this purpose. And, of course, it was also what the bomb was designed to do. This is part of

00:10:33.440 the escalatory ladder and the tit-for-tat that we've seen in the distracting world,

00:10:38.600 that hardening world that the Iranians in some of these places. This is why Iran has their 1.00

00:10:43.720 Shahad drones underground, for example, and all these other various facilities.

00:10:48.420 And so these options are all available to the United States. There's also a range of options from

00:10:54.480 intelligent sharing to asymmetric warfare. So intelligent sharing, shutting down electronics,

00:11:00.900 going after their communications, going after their media. There's also a huge range that can

00:11:07.060 be done there as well. And it really all remains to President Trump what he wants to order happen

00:11:13.840 here. We're waiting to hear that readout from the National Security Council meeting, which was told

00:11:17.800 ended just a little while ago at the White House.

00:11:20.720 Jack, walk people through the gravity bomb, exactly the mechanism. How does it actually work? It's kind of

00:11:27.060 unique. And this is why people are saying, well, maybe you put it on a, you know, a C-4, you put

00:11:32.980 it on a big one of our big transport aircraft and have the Israelis push it out the back, or you put it 1.00

00:11:38.560 on an Israeli aircraft. Walk me through, what do we have here and why the size of ours are much bigger

00:11:44.660 than theirs, correct?

00:11:46.500 Yes, yes. Russia has been much larger. Russia has been using a version of this technology

00:11:52.280 in, in Ukraine for quite some time now. And essentially what, what the Russians are using

00:11:57.660 for a smaller version of it is it, what it does is it turns your, it turns your, you've used the 0.87

00:12:02.800 parlance, you turned your dumb bombs into smart bombs because you're up, what you're doing is

00:12:07.000 you're able to upgrade them to a point where they have a rudimentary type of guidance, which is far 0.95

00:12:12.860 more, far superior to simply just dropping it away, you know, bombs away as, as, as we know. And so

00:12:18.600 they're carrying that, you know, a guidance system, they're monitored, it's controlled

00:12:22.200 externally, uh, guided bomb, you know, depending on the given weight, that's how much explosive

00:12:27.680 that it has on it has radio. And this, this technology has been around for quite some time,

00:12:31.920 but it's really been plugged up through world war II. And then even after throughout the cold

00:12:36.300 war where they've been using, it's only been in the Gulf war, the Ukraine war and on that we've

00:12:42.040 seen them really use now. And so this is, it's, it's sort of in, in the way that I think of

00:12:46.860 it is, it, is it precision guided munitions? It is, uh, it is not quite precision guided

00:12:53.120 munitions, but it is a, it is a guided bomb is the best way to think about it.

00:12:59.100 Um, the difference between, uh, taking out the nuclear program and making sure they have no

00:13:03.760 capacity to refine material and also, uh, even maybe some of the ballistic missile technology

00:13:09.420 they need versus regime change. Give me a minute on that before we go to break.

00:13:13.440 Well, Steve, this, this could be everything. So taking out the president Trump has been very

00:13:18.720 clear that he is against Iran's nuclear weapons program, but Iran's regime depends on far more

00:13:25.340 than just that program. They have the IRGC, they have the Iranian army they've got on. And of course,

00:13:30.320 all of the oil pipelines and the deals that they have with the Chinese communist party. That's

00:13:34.800 really where that power relies upon. Uh, you take out the regime and that's going to open up a whole

00:13:40.100 hornet's death, possibly civil war. This is bigger than Iraq, bigger than Afghanistan, 0.90

00:13:44.220 bigger than Syria, bigger than Libya. The, uh, shocking thing though, I think for a military

00:13:50.140 point of view is that given all their bluster, uh, the, uh, Israelis did take complete air supremacy, 0.98

00:13:57.560 uh, air superiority first and air supremacy. So far, it doesn't seem like there's any, you know,

00:14:03.480 combat aircraft up or the combat aircraft gets up. Their air defenses systems got destroyed about 90

00:14:09.400 days ago, but right now we don't, I think in president Trump, of course, he used the royal

00:14:13.820 we, we, we have control of the airspace over Tehran, right? That's never really a good sign.

00:14:19.860 All of a sudden you're, you're, you're in it. I tell you what, Jack, can you hang on a minute?

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00:16:33.600 Welcome back. Joe LaVornier is going to join us from the White House, special assistant or

00:16:37.880 special counsel to Secretary of Treasury. I want to make sure because I'm going to have some economic

00:16:43.700 guys on here next. Jack Posobiec talking about the economy, talking about, you know, I got a guy

00:16:50.820 from, you know, the former head of the World Bank and one of the undersecretaries under President

00:16:54.120 Trump in the first term. Philip Patrick is going to join us. Obviously, gold is kind of on fire now.

00:17:00.520 But also there are many economics, not just geopolitical economic. Iran is one of the most

00:17:07.940 important oil and gas producers in the world. They provide, I think, Jack, you would agree,

00:17:14.920 the Chinese Communist Party anywhere between 1.5 and 2.5 million barrels per day, either sold

00:17:21.040 directly or through the black market. They're the principal provider to the CCP of energy. Those oil

00:17:27.020 fields and there's discussion of the oil fields may come into play. I think Qatar and other nations

00:17:31.560 around the world own, I think, the oil fields that kind of go in Bajra. There's part of it's in Iraq,

00:17:37.340 part of it's in Iran. Of course, that part down by Bajra, since it's tons of Shiite Muslims ever 1.00

00:17:43.260 since the Iraq war, they kind of claim it for their own. How big a deal is the geoeconomics here of

00:17:49.500 the situation in Iran? Well, Steve, the idea of the geoeconomics is key. And, you know,

00:17:57.220 we say on Human Events daily all the time that when it comes to geopolitics, it's sort of like,

00:18:02.540 you know, the French have a phrase, cherché la femme, you know, whenever you're trying to figure

00:18:05.580 out something, look for the woman. Well, in geopolitics, we say cherché la petrol, look for 0.98

00:18:11.160 the petrol, look for the oil. And so in this, right, cherché la petrol, you don't steal that from me,

00:18:17.660 Ben, and that's all me. I'm going to do it as an homage. I'm going to do it as an homage to you.

00:18:23.800 All right. With credit. So good. Obviously, you know, that's one of the fastest ways that could

00:18:30.540 lead to this regime change, civil war kind of breakout that we're talking about. But if you

00:18:34.900 want to talk about the global oil market impact of a massive, sudden supply shock, we're talking

00:18:40.980 immediate, you know, depending on the broader market conditions, you're talking $100 a barrel oil,

00:18:46.300 $150 a barrel of futures market, you're going to get immediate reaction, huge volatility, stocks,

00:18:53.260 commodities. And you know what? You're not sure what's going to happen, what OPEC decides to do.

00:18:57.560 Does OPEC want to cut? Does OPEC want to keep flooding the system? The U.S., the EU, there's

00:19:02.720 going to be a lot of pressure then to release oil from strategic reserves. Of course, Trump's been

00:19:06.720 trying to fill, by the way, our strategic oil reserve. But here we are in, you know, summer just

00:19:11.720 started. And you might be seeing $6 a barrel oil. Or get our guys or get our guys ripping and

00:19:18.440 even pumping more. Jack, social media, you're putting up great stuff all the time. You're going

00:19:23.400 to Tim Pool. You're on the Tim Pool Show tonight. What is that? Does that start at eight o'clock

00:19:27.740 Eastern Daylight Time, the Tim Pool Show? So that'll start at eight. So once you're done watching all

00:19:32.780 your evening war room, you have your dinner and then boom, you lock in with Tim Cast 8 p.m. Eastern.

00:19:37.060 Hang on. I'm going to try to get you from Tim's place at seven when you get out there. So if we

00:19:42.980 get an update, we'll come right to you. Okay. Thank you, brother. Thank you. The great Jack

00:19:47.780 Posobiec. I want to go now to the White House. Joe LaVornier, special counsel to the Secretary of

00:19:54.960 Treasury. Sir, today, Scott Besson had an interview. They put up an interview with Miranda Devine. He

00:20:02.620 talked about the increase in blue collar wages. It's awesome analysis you've done. Can you walk

00:20:06.920 us through exactly? Give us the receipts. Give us the backup. What's actually happening? And more

00:20:11.960 importantly, why is it happening? Sure. So Steve, if you look at President Trump, the first term and

00:20:19.820 second term, what we looked at when I worked for President Trump in the first term is what we

00:20:25.360 call blue collar wages, which are non-supervisory production workers. These aren't people that are

00:20:30.560 part of the professional managerial class. It's not Wall Street. It's Main Street. It's the backbone of

00:20:35.760 Main Street. And what we've noticed in this first five months of this Trump administration is that

00:20:40.720 the annualized increase in real blue collar wages is almost 2%. The next closest growth we had of that

00:20:48.220 magnitude in the first five months of the administration was Trump 1.0. So it's remarkable

00:20:53.780 the wage gains he has. And that's a function really of a very pro-growth supply side led set of

00:20:59.780 policies where food and energy costs have been trending down significantly from where they were. And as

00:21:04.440 Secretary Besson has said, as there are fewer illegal workers that are artificially depressing

00:21:09.260 wages, keeping nominal wages high. So you have a double whammy of falling inflation. The inflation

00:21:14.620 numbers have been absolutely stellar. At the same time, nominal wages have been strong. So your real

00:21:19.660 wages are expanding, increasing purchasing power for the everyday worker.

00:21:23.820 I want to go back because we did this before in the tax cut in 17 and it came to fruition in 18 and

00:21:32.300 really in 19. I think it was the fall of 19. You had the tremendous gains in blue collar versus white

00:21:38.580 collar, non-college graduate versus college graduates. Is that essentially the same thing here? We haven't

00:21:44.020 got to the extension of those tax cuts. It's still there. But is that what's going on? Is it anything

00:21:49.800 about the investment in jobs coming back? I know a big part of this has got to be immigration. What

00:21:54.140 do you think's actually the big drivers here in back of this?

00:21:58.040 So you're correct. If you look at the big effects, obviously, with TICCHA was in 18 and 19.

00:22:05.080 If just to put it in broader sense, from 17 to 19, those first three Trump years,

00:22:10.180 real median household income was up almost $8,000, more than double what it had been in the prior 16

00:22:16.140 years of both Republican and Democrat administrations. In the one big, beautiful bill,

00:22:21.060 the tax expensing, the likelihood that we get 100% expensing on CapEx back to President Trump

00:22:28.780 Inauguration Day, combined with the deduction of plant equipment, factories, that is hugely supply

00:22:35.380 side generative. And what that means, Steve, is that you're going to get strong productivity growth

00:22:40.120 because you've got capital deepening. You're giving workers more tools to produce the goods and

00:22:44.040 services that people want. If you have higher productivity, you have higher living standards,

00:22:48.080 you have higher wages. So this bill, once it passes, will codify and further implement what

00:22:54.760 was built off of Trump 1.0. And I'm optimistic we'll get faster growth, we'll grow deficits so

00:23:00.520 that they'll fall relative to GDP, and most importantly, Main Street will thrive. I mean,

00:23:04.720 that's the way the theory is supposed to work. It's the way it worked in Trump 1.0. And by all

00:23:09.460 indications, we're off to a great start so far in 25. Great start. And this shows why the immigration 1.00

00:23:15.620 policy, sealing the border and the mass deportations, the beginning of that, it has all worked out.

00:23:20.120 And remember, President Trump's focus, and this comes, Malpass was in the first administration,

00:23:25.000 Scott Bessett now is Secretary of Treasury, Joe LaVornia, everybody's focused on the working

00:23:29.980 class, the middle class for Main Street and a supply side tax cut, and also to make sure that

00:23:34.460 everything we can do to increase productivity is there, as Dave Brett is often there warning us.

00:23:40.180 Joe, real quickly, what are you doing? You're one of the great gets inside Treasury. You've got

00:23:44.540 an incredible team over there. What is your title, and what are you doing for the Secretary every day?

00:23:51.760 Well, this is my 10th day. So I come from Wall Street, and I had the pleasure of getting to meet

00:23:59.040 the Secretary a little bit in my prior private life. I'm helping out in anything they really want

00:24:04.380 me to do, Steve, all things sort of macroeconomics and policy related. And it's been 10 days, but it's

00:24:11.400 been fun. And I'm hoping to get to come on with you again, and I'll have even better news to report

00:24:16.480 the next time I'm on. Well, it's pretty good news today, Joe. Thank you so much. Joe, do you have

00:24:21.060 social media? Where do people go to find out more about your work and what you put this up?

00:24:26.220 Yeah. On my private role, it was at Lavornianomics. We'll see if we can make it an official

00:24:33.000 government role. But you'll probably see me a little bit more maybe on TV and radio than

00:24:37.520 social media. But we've got to fine-tune that. Thank you, brother. Look forward to get all this

00:24:43.580 up on social media. Same here. Joe Lavornier. Thank you. Over there, one of the team that Scott

00:24:48.540 Besson's pulling together, really good news. So, Malpass, you've got some observations about the Fed,

00:24:55.440 as you often do. David, you were one of the big guns for President Trump in the first term over

00:25:00.760 Treasury. Then you hit the World Bank. First off, just how concerned are you about particularly as

00:25:06.740 this thing starts to spread in Iran and whatever can happen, sabotage? They had a thing today that

00:25:13.060 there was a vessel stuck in the mouth of the Straits of Hormuz. And I can tell you, having sailed in and

00:25:18.400 out of there on a destroyer, it's not that big. How concerned are you for global economics of what's

00:25:24.660 going on in Persia right now? Of course, concerned. But the U.S. is powerful. And President Trump has

00:25:30.940 been really clear that's peace through strength. And also, they can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:25:35.880 So there are exit, you know, there's ways, exit ramps that they can use. And if not,

00:25:42.400 then I think there is power to control the situation. I think we should really make a

00:25:48.300 distinction between that, meaning necessary steps to control bad outcomes, that's peace through

00:25:58.520 strength, and then turn to allowing a free market economy in the U.S. to really expand. And that—so,

00:26:06.340 in my mind, there's kind of a connection, there is a connection—to the Trump plan. The program is to

00:26:14.580 have the economy be really strong so that we have enough strength in the U.S., especially, but globally,

00:26:22.220 to really see peace break out. And he's been clear.

00:26:27.720 David, the president's been pretty critical of Powell over at the Fed. The Wall Street Journal's got a

00:26:33.200 piece. What is your take? You're somebody the president would always turn to and ask about

00:26:38.100 these situations. What do you think about the Fed and interest rates? Are they ahead of the curve or

00:26:42.660 behind the curve, sir? They're behind the curve, and they're often behind the curve. And we go from

00:26:48.120 inflation to deflation because they're driving through the rearview mirror. Their models are really

00:26:54.680 antiquated. These are 40-, 50-year-old models that basically say that the U.S. economy can't grow too

00:27:01.960 faster. It'll be inflationary. And that's just wrong. There's productivity growth. You just heard

00:27:07.240 Joe Livornia talking about that as the major strategy. If we can get manufacturing going in the

00:27:14.980 U.S. and small businesses really cranking, then it's not going to be an inflationary economy. It's going

00:27:23.020 to be a growth economy. So that's within reach. There is this clear path. The data is clear that

00:27:31.940 there's room for the Fed to cut. That's the retail sales that were negative today. The job growth in

00:27:37.940 May in the household survey was weak. We've got the prime rate at 7%. What are you going to do with

00:27:44.720 that? And why is that where the U.S. is sitting? So I think if the Fed is clear, and Trump has been,

00:27:52.420 that we defend the dollar, we have the dollar as the reserve currency. If the world believes that,

00:27:57.480 they'll be the path to our door in terms of buying U.S. debt, dollar-denominated debt,

00:28:05.840 and driving down interest rates. I think that's within reach. Hang on for one second,

00:28:11.060 because I want to go back over this, and I've got a couple other questions.

00:28:13.920 Philip Patrick from Birch Gold is also going to join us. Got David Malpass from ahead of the World

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00:29:48.320 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:29:56.040 So, Brother Malpass, and by the way, David was undersecretary for International, one of the most

00:30:01.100 important jobs in the Treasury Department for President Trump in the first term and then head

00:30:05.460 of the World Bank, put there by President Trump. David, when you just said the models that the Fed

00:30:11.580 uses, because President Trump, let's be blunt, he's not particularly happy with Lewis Powell. He's

00:30:16.380 kind of all over the Fed. He keeps saying they're missing the window here. When you say the models

00:30:21.260 are 40 years old and clunky, doesn't the Fed Reserve, I don't know, have like 8,000 people over

00:30:25.640 there? It's a huge organization, is it not? That's right. Maybe 700, I don't know, PhDs,

00:30:32.540 dumb and dumber. But the Phillips curve is the idea that there's somehow a tradeoff between 1.00

00:30:40.400 unemployment and inflation, and you have to have higher one to get lower the other. And that is,

00:30:46.080 you know, so the Fed is constantly talking about its mandate, that it's supposed to have price

00:30:51.240 stability and full employment, and somehow those are in opposition. They work totally together. If

00:30:58.140 you have price stability, you'll have more jobs in the economy. That's what Trump is talking about.

00:31:04.440 That's what Scott Besson is talking about today, even, of how do you get real wages up if the Fed is

00:31:14.320 always leaning against it? This is because, you know, if you think about the last 40 years, there's

00:31:21.340 been innovation everywhere, except at the Fed. They're still talking about monetarism, which is

00:31:26.880 ages old. And they're not. And remember, the Fed not only sets interest rates, but they also regulate

00:31:34.080 banks, and they do it poorly because they fail and the small businesses can't get credit. And

00:31:40.620 the Fed has this giant balance sheet that's been horribly managed. They bought $9 trillion of U.S.

00:31:49.420 government bonds at the very trough when yields were the lowest. So they've got this unrealized loss

00:31:55.960 on their books of maybe a trillion dollars. So it's just mistakes all around, old models.

00:32:03.880 The last thing you said about us being the prime reserve currency, we actually are very focused

00:32:08.320 on the real reset. We've done a whole special of this. We've got a whole thing we've done over the

00:32:15.840 last couple of years called the end of the dollar empire. We put it out in installments. We got the

00:32:20.040 seventh installment about the real reset. Walk me through what you said in the last minute

00:32:23.640 of the previous segment about making sure that there's demand for dollar-denominated bonds and

00:32:29.700 that we remain the prime reserve currency, sir. Even today, you saw Europe saying they want to

00:32:36.100 have more room for the euro on people's shelf space. Well, that is not really the way to have the world

00:32:43.640 be safe. You need the dollar to be the backbone. And that's also important for crypto and digitalization

00:32:49.780 of the world economy. If you look at stablecoins, they need to be in U.S. dollars and regulated

00:32:57.840 by the U.S., not by some island. I don't know your view on that, Stephen. People can have different

00:33:04.360 views. But I really think that we can allow and permit this innovation that is the core of the U.S.

00:33:13.320 economy. All that has to happen is Treasury and the Fed say they plan to have the dollar be the core of

00:33:20.760 the global economy for decades and decades. That would bring down interest rates right there if

00:33:26.460 they would say it. But the Ph.D. economists all think that the currency should just float around

00:33:31.840 with no anchor at all. I think that can be fixed pretty easily.

00:33:35.440 David Malpass, we hope to have you on here a lot. Where do people get you on social media? Where

00:33:43.600 do they go? On Twitter or at David R. Malpass. Thanks, Steve. Brother, thank you. Great show.

00:33:52.040 Thank you for coming on. Look forward to having you back. I think one of the things we're going to do

00:33:56.960 is this clearly this conflict between Israel and Iran. And we're picking up. Did CNN just report

00:34:04.200 that? OK, maybe that was a false thing. I don't know. OK, Christy Noem is Christy Noem. We'll get

00:34:11.000 more of that. But Secretary of Homeland Security has been taken, I think, to a local Washington

00:34:15.280 hospital and ambulance. We don't know anything more than that. As soon as we know more, we will report

00:34:20.000 it. Philip Patrick, one of my favorite people, you had Malpass right there saying what we needed to do

00:34:26.620 to make sure that we remain the prime reserve currency. Our favorite, as you know, the Financial

00:34:36.460 Times of London had this article, right, about gold. If Denver could put it up, I want to make sure it's

00:34:43.620 up. Got Philip Patrick on it. It starts with one of my favorite quotes, Philip. And the headline's

00:34:49.540 amazing. As you know, Philip, we've been working together for four years now or four years. And we

00:34:54.620 talked about doing the end of the dollar empire to make sure people understood the importance of the

00:34:59.740 dollar as the prime reserve currency and how that was so important. And then what backed that up.

00:35:06.020 Now, the Financial Times of London, they does this big story, how gold became the world's refuge from

00:35:13.140 uncertainty, which is kind of the thesis that we've been talking about for four years. The subheadline,

00:35:18.840 in an era where core assumptions about the global economy are being questioned, gold has once more

00:35:24.240 become an anchor, especially for central banks, as you've reported for four years here. But the lead

00:35:30.040 paragraph, though, talks about one of my favorite quotes is by is by John Maynard Keynes, who was the

00:35:37.680 economist that really after the war, after World War One, they all kind of, you know, went into Keynesianism,

00:35:43.960 which hadn't been really grasped before, which meant bigger governments, bigger government

00:35:48.600 stimulus, which we're living through that two and a half trillion dollar, two trillion dollar

00:35:52.280 deficit. You see, here we say that is a Keynesian stimulus to an economy. And Keynes called gold a

00:36:00.580 barbarous relic of an ancient world, sir. So break down the Financial Times and really the Financial

00:36:09.080 Times coming to understand what we've been kind of laying out for this audience for four years, sir.

00:36:15.800 Yeah, look, I mean, as you say, we've been talking about this for a long time. First of all, we can,

00:36:20.860 I think, clearly show that John Maynard Keynes was was incorrect, calling gold a barbarous relic,

00:36:27.300 seeing gold this century outperform almost every other asset class. I think it's very clear. But

00:36:32.660 I thought a very good article, it was summarizing a lot of what we've talked about over,

00:36:37.960 as you said, the last few years. And that is slowly we are disincentivizing the world to hold

00:36:45.720 our dollars. Right. After 1946, what incentivized the world to use dollars was redeemability. Right.

00:36:52.240 It was the only currency in the world that, you know, central banks could hand into the Treasury

00:36:56.800 Department and get gold back in return. Following 71, it was the petrodollar agreement. Right. The world

00:37:03.500 had to use dollars to buy oil. Forty percent of the world's oil supply came from OPEC. It guaranteed

00:37:09.020 this demand. Right. Since then, it's really been stability. Right. The dollar, as far as currencies go,

00:37:15.300 has been the most stable. All of that being said, the world has been incentivized to hold our US dollar.

00:37:22.720 Well, what have we seen really since the Biden administration? Right. We've seen devaluation of

00:37:28.400 currency. We've seen weaponization of our currency. Central banks around the world are looking at

00:37:34.020 dollars now more as a liability than as an asset. Even Trump's policies. Listen, Trump's been trying

00:37:40.720 to thread the needle. Things like tariffs. They tell nations around the world, look, we understand why

00:37:46.760 he implemented them. We have to boost domestic manufacturing. But tariffs have negative impacts

00:37:52.780 as well. They force countries to diversify away from our currency. Even the big, beautiful bill.

00:37:59.400 Right. Trump was elected with a mandate. I said to you before, I'm torn on this. Right. You know,

00:38:04.700 he was elected with a clear mandate to shore up the borders. This stuff is expensive, but it comes

00:38:10.620 with consequences. Right. That is an explosion in deficits. Right. The dollar, again, less attractive

00:38:16.900 to foreign investors. What about the revenge tax within the big, beautiful bill? Right. The financial

00:38:22.440 times referent that specifically. I understand why Trump has it in there. Right. It's one more weapon

00:38:28.620 that Trump can use to balance global trade. But I also understand that as a foreign investor. Right.

00:38:34.720 That's a concerning thing for me. So my concern now is not that we lose global reserve currency status,

00:38:41.360 but that we move into a more multipolar world. Right. Other currencies being used, demand for the dollar

00:38:47.920 waning longer term, longer term, longer term, that can put our position as global reserve currency under

00:38:53.600 threat. So, you know, we've been talking about this for a long time. I think Biden put President

00:38:58.840 Trump into a corner. We're trying to fight our way out. But it's a very, very tough battle.

00:39:05.740 What's the hardest thing he has to do? Because I'm going to expand the conversation and talk about

00:39:10.100 this current war that's going on, and particularly if it expands. But as you sit here today with

00:39:15.200 all the policy levers, President Trump is trying to do, and you just heard Joe LaVarnia from Treasury

00:39:21.080 talk about some good news we're hearing at the get go. Right. Particularly about blue collar wages.

00:39:25.740 What is the hardest thing you think President Trump and Besant have to do to thread the needle?

00:39:33.220 It's it's such a very tough question. If I had the answer to that, I may be sitting next to them.

00:39:40.080 Hold it. We had the answer. Philip, Patrick and Steve, I wouldn't be doing this. Philip wouldn't

00:39:45.640 be there. We'd have the we'd have the Patrick Bannon hedge fund.

00:39:50.160 There's no there's no question about it. Look, I think it's all about creating incentives. And this

00:39:55.380 is this is where politics and economics cross. If you ask me as an economist what we have to do,

00:40:01.520 the answer is not politically viable. Right. What we have to do really is curb spending.

00:40:08.600 We have to sort of generate more revenue. We've got to tighten the belt buckle. Ultimately,

00:40:13.380 that's the way to do it. President Trump's strategy is a riskier one. Right. And that is to grow the

00:40:18.660 economy and to do it at a rapid rate faster than debt. But I don't envy President Trump's position.

00:40:24.880 I've said before, if I left with his legacy in 2020, I wouldn't be back again because this is a

00:40:30.460 much more difficult fight he has in front of him. But he's got to balance things in a way that that

00:40:36.440 I think is going to be difficult to do. But he's got to incentivize. Listen, I thought the trade deal

00:40:41.340 he struck with the United Kingdom was genius. Right. That was a way to sort of work China out of 0.99

00:40:46.900 crucial supply chains while sort of maintaining good relationships with our European counterparts.

00:40:52.600 I think that should be the blueprint for any future trade deals. So it's a tough one. I think

00:41:00.020 curving deficit spending is going to be key. Trying to get a handle on the debt is going to be key and

00:41:04.080 growing the economy is going to be key. But we're in a very tough position. Look, it wouldn't surprise

00:41:09.460 me. And you and I have said this for a long time. 20 years from now, people take an economics course.

00:41:14.320 There's going to be discussions about the 60 year experiment from 1970 to 2030 with a global free

00:41:21.660 floating unbacked currencies and how it failed. Right. And I think ultimately that is the biggest

00:41:27.620 problem. This is how every empire in history has collapsed. And we're heading down that path.

00:41:34.240 Let's go back to that because the Financial Times talks about that, too, and talking about Keynes,

00:41:38.720 that there was a system in place really from the post-war period, given the devastation. Remember,

00:41:44.300 they didn't have a system in place really, you know, from World War I to the Second World War.

00:41:50.360 And it was that people forget it wasn't just World War I that caused World War II.

00:41:57.620 Keynes came to prominence because he wrote a book about the Versailles Treaty. And he called it the

00:42:04.980 economic consequences of the peace, where he kind of forecasted that, hey, there's some bad things

00:42:11.140 going to come particularly about reparations and debt in Germany and some of these countries not

00:42:15.020 being able to pay this off, that maybe the terms were too tough and people didn't listen to him.

00:42:19.780 And of course, it was when people asked about how Hitler came to power, Hitler came to power because 0.92

00:42:24.440 of hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic. They really destroyed the currency. And when you destroy

00:42:30.260 a person, when you destroy a country's currency, you really destroy the fabric of the country.

00:42:36.280 Do you not, Philip Patrick? Absolutely. I don't think any historian disagrees with that position

00:42:42.580 today. The Treaty of Versailles put the German people in dire straits and desperate people do

00:42:48.740 desperate things. There's no question about that. Philip, can you hang on for a second? I want to hold

00:42:55.080 you for another block. I got some other questions to ask you about the current situation, particularly

00:42:58.720 as President Trump goes through and looks through various alternatives to deal with this situation,

00:43:06.200 and Persia. Don't know if we're going to hear from the president or not tonight or not, maybe even

00:43:11.540 a press avail, et cetera. A lot of rumors going around. We're going to try to track them all down.

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00:45:06.240 Okay. Philip Patrick, the geopolitical concern, flight to quality, we've had, you know,

00:45:22.640 it's about volatility. It's about safe havens. There's all kind of rumor tonight that President

00:45:27.660 Trump may come and address the nation. We have not heard anything official, right? We know that

00:45:33.220 people are reviewing a range of alternatives, including continue on in negotiations, but

00:45:38.500 give them a play me or trade me now. But if this continues down the path, and clearly Israel 0.83

00:45:44.340 is going to keep pounding the Persians, and the Persians are going to pound back. And if 1.00

00:45:51.060 the oil assets and resources get hit down there by Bajra and those massive fields down there,

00:45:57.000 what's your sense of where this could head as far as financial markets and particularly gold?

00:46:03.220 Look, I think it's in our interest for President Trump to try and end this as quickly as possible.

00:46:08.800 Obviously, some of it, a lot of it's out of his control. But the longer this goes on,

00:46:12.920 the worse it is for global financial markets. We saw an immediate response, obviously,

00:46:16.860 from energy markets. We saw a 7.5% spike in oil prices last Friday. On the back of that,

00:46:24.500 obviously, gold, the traditional safe haven, when US treasuries are not, spiked as well. It drove

00:46:30.240 up 1.5% on the back of that news alone. From a broader economic perspective, regional instability

00:46:38.400 adds to fuel the existing inflation that's happening here in the United States and around

00:46:43.540 the world. And it comes at a time when major economies are already strained, right? Europe's

00:46:48.200 in recession, China's growth is spluttering, and our own GDP in the first quarter was negative 0.3%.

00:46:55.080 So I would say geopolitical shocks like this, they don't create an economic crisis,

00:47:00.300 but they put pressure on financial system and make the craps worse at a time when we really

00:47:06.520 can't afford to. So this isn't welcome news domestically for the economy. But I don't see

00:47:12.260 where this goes. We've had sanctions on Iran since the 1970s. They don't appear to be stopping

00:47:18.240 them pursuing a nuclear weapon. I don't know. Again, geopolitics is not my forte. From an economic

00:47:24.740 standpoint, we've got to end this as quickly as possible. Otherwise, it's going to be the

00:47:29.120 catalyst for the Fed to keep interest rates where they are. That's the last thing we need

00:47:33.600 from a debt standpoint and from a growth standpoint.

00:47:36.840 In an era of future instability, and you just mentioned that, hey, people are going to study

00:47:42.320 from 1971 to 2030 when you kind of had this floating, you had fiat currencies out there,

00:47:48.060 right, without anything really backing it up. In the article, they talk about central banks have

00:47:53.280 had this kind of fascination with gold here recently. And that's one of the reasons that

00:47:57.820 the price of gold, it's one that we tell people it's not the price, it's the process. You've got

00:48:01.000 to learn what's in back of it. That's been very strong demand by central banks. And we've got the

00:48:05.340 BRICS nations. In fact, you guys will be down there reporting from down there in Rio for the

00:48:12.000 Rio Reset. What is your anticipation of the appetite of the central banks to continue to

00:48:17.320 purchase gold at kind of the rates that they've been purchasing it in the last couple of years?

00:48:22.180 I mean, look, the trajectory is not letting up. Gold buying is increasing. The biggest single

00:48:27.280 quarter in world history was the fourth quarter of 2024. We saw a slight tail off first quarter of

00:48:33.640 this year, but the trend generally is increasing. And I think it'll continue to increase. We have to

00:48:38.940 remember the traditional safe haven asset was US government debt, Treasury specifically.

00:48:44.780 What we are seeing now is demand for that debt is waning, right? The Fed lowered interest rates on

00:48:51.700 lowered interest rates, borrowing rates on the 10-year went up 70 basis points. On the 30-year,

00:48:59.260 100 basis points, which is concerning. So I am of the belief that trend will continue.

00:49:05.460 And until another currency appears, right? There is not a currency better than the dollar today

00:49:10.580 outside of gold. Until that appears, I think central banks will continue increasing gold holdings.

00:49:16.600 Let's not forget, gold overtook the euro as the number two global reserve asset last year.

00:49:22.520 My feeling is those trends continue.

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Bannon's War Room - June 17, 2025

Episode 4567： Mainstream Bangs The War Drum

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