Bannon's War Room - Episode 4571： Failure Of Planning Can Lead To Vacuum Of Terror

00:00:00.000 We're back, it seems we're back to where we were in the 90s, where there is a pretty strong split

00:00:08.000 between the interventionists and the non-interventionists in the Republican Party.

00:00:13.620 I'm curious your thoughts. You've seen this unfold over the past 40, 50 years.

00:00:18.260 Where is the party right now? And what are the political risks for Donald Trump

00:00:24.300 if he goes in or if he stays out?

00:00:27.800 So, Joe, we're struggling in a, I'd say, a real national debate about where our national interests are.

00:00:37.200 And I must say, as somebody who lived through the pre-Iraq period, that was the kind of debate we needed back then.

00:00:43.960 We needed in 2003 to be talking about what was in our interests as a country.

00:00:48.140 Did this make sense? What would happen after we invaded?

00:00:51.860 It wasn't enough of that.

00:00:53.300 And Nika's dad, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was a rare example of somebody who was asking those questions.

00:00:59.900 So the more debate that I'm hearing, the better.

00:01:03.680 I think one thing that's likely is that President Trump will learn in this debate, noisy, sometimes fractious,

00:01:11.420 who he trusts and who he doesn't.

00:01:13.220 He'll make up his mind better.

00:01:14.780 You know, he's often all over the map in terms of his views.

00:01:18.600 One day he says something, next day the next day.

00:01:21.040 That's one reason I think the Iranians mistrust him in these negotiations.

00:01:24.700 They just aren't sure where he is.

00:01:26.460 But over time, that'll shake out better.

00:01:28.840 There are reports that it's a different group now in the Situation Room than it was initially.

00:01:34.480 So I think that's also good for a president to have this kind of shakedown cruise on a really big issue like this.

00:01:40.540 The final point that I'd like to make is we're all focused to a surprising extent on Washington

00:01:46.940 and what we're talking about here in Washington.

00:01:49.060 But the cockpit in this war is in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

00:01:53.560 The Israelis won't wait forever. 0.90

00:01:55.840 They have embarked on what they see as an absolutely critical existential campaign

00:02:00.960 to take out Iran's nuclear capability while they can. 0.72

00:02:05.220 They have other options besides waiting for the U.S. bunker buster.

00:02:08.860 They're not good ones, but there's more and more talk being leaked about commando operations,

00:02:14.380 other ways to get deep underground at Fordo and have some of the same effects they could get from the U.S.

00:02:21.500 So the idea that we can take as long as we want, make up our minds two weeks from today, not necessarily.

00:02:28.840 This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision primarily.

00:02:38.860 Donald Trump knows where you are at this moment.

00:02:46.900 You have been warned.

00:02:48.200 At best, your economy, that will be destroyed.

00:02:51.180 Your refineries, they will be up in smoke.

00:02:53.460 Your infrastructure will be in tatters.

00:02:55.680 You won't have lights to turn on and around if you keep going the way you're going.

00:02:59.640 Your military will be shredded.

00:03:01.260 Your weapons and ammunition will be gone.

00:03:03.100 Your nuclear program that you have put so much time, effort, money, energy into, it's utterly destroyed.

00:03:09.960 Now it will be further destroyed and capable of rebuilding.

00:03:13.820 I believe ultimately that he wants a deal and he wants to use this rhetoric and this moment in order to force the regime,

00:03:21.400 given how weak it is, given how much they could, that threat that they could crumble if their nuclear program is completely obliterated,

00:03:30.680 the threat that they face that they could collapse.

00:03:33.240 And he wants to use that to force a deal ultimately.

00:03:35.720 And that's why he wants that inconsistent messaging.

00:03:38.360 And by the way, that tends to work usually with adversaries.

00:03:41.200 You don't want adversaries.

00:03:42.200 You don't want to lay out all of your options or plans that, oh, I'm going to start with plan A and then move to B and so on.

00:03:48.020 You don't want your adversary when you're dealing with a dictator like this to know all that.

00:03:51.900 But that said, he is very seriously considering joining strikes against Fordow, right?

00:03:58.020 That's that's what we're talking about here.

00:03:59.700 This isn't where it's not something where he's talking about join deploying troops across across Iran war that's similar to Iraq or Afghanistan.

00:04:08.580 I've heard this comparison many times.

00:04:09.980 And that's not what this is about.

00:04:12.040 This is a situation that would look like specific attacks, limited military engagement,

00:04:19.320 something that's more similar to the attacks you saw against Hezbollah by Israel in the last fall.

00:04:26.000 So I've never taken money from the Israel lobby.

00:04:41.240 Have you taken money from the Israel?

00:04:44.040 From AIPAC.

00:04:44.760 So AIPAC raises a lot of money for me, but it's actually a misnomer because the people who raise money are individuals.

00:04:50.000 So it's not the PAC itself, but their individual members who believe in the American-Israeli friendship and relationship.

00:04:57.520 Is AIPAC a foreign lobby?

00:04:59.280 No, it's an American lobby.

00:05:00.560 It's the AIPAC stands for the America-Israeli Political Action Committee.

00:05:03.880 What is it lobby for?

00:05:05.180 So to be honest, not a whole lot effectively.

00:05:08.220 Listen, I came into Congress 13 years ago with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate.

00:05:17.940 And I've worked every day to do that.

00:05:20.400 AIPAC, a lot of times, AIPAC I wish were much more effective.

00:05:26.040 Like, there are folks online who are in the fever swamp of terrified of AIPAC, and AIPAC—

00:05:32.060 I'm not terrified of AIPAC at all.

00:05:33.900 You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking this.

00:05:35.760 No, not uncomfortable at all.

00:05:36.700 I'm just asking what AIPAC does.

00:05:39.140 My understanding, having known a lot of people who work with AIPAC, is that it lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government.

00:05:46.120 Oh, okay.

00:05:47.920 When was the last time AIPAC took a position that deviated from Prime Minister Netanyahu?

00:05:53.700 All the time.

00:05:54.940 I won.

00:05:55.980 Okay.

00:05:57.660 Let me go back and give a little history.

00:05:59.040 If you want to do a deep dive on AIPAC—

00:06:00.300 I don't.

00:06:00.660 I want to do a shallow dive that gets—

00:06:01.820 No, I'm not going to do a simple—

00:06:03.120 I want to get to the core question.

00:06:04.380 AIPAC is lobbying for a foreign government.

00:06:06.580 False.

00:06:06.900 And I don't—

00:06:07.600 It's not.

00:06:08.160 No.

00:06:08.320 It's lobbying for the United States?

00:06:09.800 It is lobbying for a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship.

00:06:13.780 Okay.

00:06:14.040 So it has nothing to do with the foreign government?

00:06:17.720 It wants America and Israel to be closely allied.

00:06:21.160 Okay, but it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country.

00:06:27.160 So that's not true at all.

00:06:28.640 And if you—

00:06:29.020 It's not true.

00:06:29.660 No.

00:06:29.900 How much contact do you think AIPAC leaders have for the government of Israel?

00:06:34.380 No idea.

00:06:35.420 I imagine some.

00:06:36.440 I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with AIPAC because AIPAC's not nearly

00:06:39.940 strong enough.

00:06:40.540 Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and AIPAC?

00:06:43.820 Do they talk?

00:06:44.660 Sure.

00:06:44.920 If you're lobbying for more U.S.-Mexico trade, would you talk to people in the U.S. and

00:06:50.560 Mexico and the government?

00:06:51.380 Sure.

00:06:51.680 Like if—

00:06:52.840 So I'm not mad about that.

00:06:54.220 There are a million countries that lobby Washington.

00:06:56.540 I like a lot of those countries, including Israel.

00:06:58.140 Okay, but AIPAC or Americans?

00:06:59.220 They're not Israelis. 1.00

00:06:59.840 Hold on.

00:07:00.260 There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments.

00:07:03.240 I know them.

00:07:03.800 I'm related to some of them.

00:07:04.800 I know how it works.

00:07:05.420 I'm from here.

00:07:06.240 So my question is not, is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby the United States?

00:07:10.300 They all do, okay?

00:07:11.420 Including Israel.

00:07:12.660 My only question is, why don't we admit that is what's happening?

00:07:16.280 You're denying it, but it's true. 0.84

00:07:18.220 Because what you're saying is false.

00:07:19.760 Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby?

00:07:21.900 Because they're not.

00:07:23.020 Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

00:07:24.920 From day one, President Trump has been clear.

00:07:28.300 They'd like to talk, but they should have done that before.

00:07:32.380 Sometimes you have to take a stand against evil, and that's what President Trump understands.

00:07:37.400 And we appreciate, deeply appreciate, the help we're getting from the United States of America.

00:07:42.280 Iran is not winning this war. 0.90

00:07:44.680 President Trump's strength is making the world safer.

00:07:48.700 Standing with our friends.

00:07:50.620 Standing up to our enemy.

00:07:52.400 And his head said, I have to worry about the worst-case scenario.

00:07:55.820 But my feeling is this.

00:07:57.500 We didn't create this problem.

00:07:58.880 It's been around for 46 years.

00:08:00.740 We've never been closer to addressing this problem.

00:08:03.960 And this is a historic opportunity.

00:08:06.040 And the Israelis have already shown incredible competency and skill. 0.95

00:08:10.400 And if you think for a second they haven't thought in their heads how to take down Fordow with or without us, you're crazy. 0.63

00:08:17.040 You have not been paying attention to the beepers, the pagers.

00:08:19.860 And also, they targeted scientists and the upper intelligence in Iran and assassinated them within days.

00:08:28.640 We are the only ones that have these bombers and this equipment that could actually penetrate.

00:08:32.800 They would have to send boots on the ground.

00:08:34.380 So if you believe in prayer, pray for whoever is selected.

00:08:37.720 If we end up making this attack, whoever's selected to fly our planes, because it's a very dangerous job.

00:08:43.000 And you have to remember that.

00:08:43.900 We're drinking our coffee.

00:08:44.800 I have my heater going.

00:08:46.500 And there's someone preparing, possibly, to go and perform this mission for America.

00:08:52.780 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:08:57.680 Pray for our enemies.

00:08:59.640 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:09:02.920 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:09:07.180 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:09:09.060 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:09:10.520 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that.

00:09:12.260 But you're not going to stop it.

00:09:13.200 It's going to happen.

00:09:14.240 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:09:17.880 MAGA Media.

00:09:18.780 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:09:24.680 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:09:28.420 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:09:34.740 War Room.

00:09:35.640 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:09:37.960 Thursday, 19 June, in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:09:47.120 It's Juneteenth today.

00:09:47.980 It's a federal holiday.

00:09:49.540 The commemoration of the end of slavery, or the notification of the end of slavery.

00:09:54.300 Post-Civil War.

00:09:58.260 I want to go back.

00:09:59.460 I've got Jack.

00:10:00.160 So, Poso, jump in here.

00:10:02.160 Poso, but I've got to hold you.

00:10:03.760 A couple of things just breaking.

00:10:05.020 Hugo Lowe at The Guardian has an exclusive that gets to this tactical issue about actually the viability, actually doing something.

00:10:13.220 But I've got to go back, because Brian Kilmeade, you know, our position here at the War Room has been pretty straightforward.

00:10:19.260 We absolutely believe that the IATO and those guys can't get a nuclear weapon.

00:10:24.300 The way to do that is President Trump's negotiations, a deal, or economic warfare.

00:10:30.360 It's pretty clear that this urgency, this rush, and now kind of flipping to say it's got to be regime change.

00:10:38.820 It's on every paper.

00:10:40.060 We called this Friday morning when the assault happened.

00:10:43.160 We said this looks like a decapitation, not just of the nuclear program, but of much of their general staff in a regime change, a regime destruction.

00:10:51.860 We still stand by that.

00:10:53.320 And our line is, quite simply, Netanyahu, just finish what you started.

00:10:59.100 Fox News right there reiterates, and they know because they're the propaganda arm of this, they know they have the ability to do it.

00:11:06.480 Finish what you started.

00:11:07.600 But I want to go back, Jack, I want to go back to David Ignatius on Morning Joe, because Ben Harnwell, as you know, named the Washington Post the Langley Bugle.

00:11:18.120 And Ignatius is the, he's the comms department for the CIA, quite frankly.

00:11:25.140 Okay?

00:11:25.900 Let's go ahead and play.

00:11:26.680 I want to play just the last minute of his talk with Joe Scarborough.

00:11:31.960 Do we have that ready?

00:11:33.320 Yeah, the clip, let's play it.

00:11:34.160 We're all focused, to a surprising extent, on Washington and what we're talking about here in Washington.

00:11:40.560 But the cockpit in this war is in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

00:11:44.980 The Israelis won't wait forever. 0.90

00:11:46.740 They have embarked on what they see as an absolutely critical existential campaign to take out Iran's nuclear capability while they can. 0.97

00:11:56.660 They have other options besides waiting for the U.S. bunker buster.

00:12:00.440 They're not good ones.

00:12:01.840 But there's more and more talk being leaked about commando operations, other ways to get deep underground at Fordow and have some of the same effects they could get from the U.S.

00:12:12.880 So the idea that we can take as long as we want and make up our minds two weeks from today, not necessarily.

00:12:20.300 This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision primarily.

00:12:23.380 This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision. 0.69

00:12:29.440 We don't have the time.

00:12:31.300 This is how they do it.

00:12:33.100 This is how.

00:12:33.600 Remember, it's this urgency.

00:12:35.420 It's this urgency.

00:12:37.800 Urgency must happen.

00:12:39.960 Urgency.

00:12:41.360 And now President Trump can't have time to weigh and measure actually if the if the if the tactical options actually work.

00:12:47.620 And I think the the guarding today and Hugo Lowe and Hugo is one of the best reporters in town because he he does.

00:12:52.640 He's a gumshoe. 0.99

00:12:53.720 He gets the you know, he he gets to the facts.

00:12:57.180 Exclusive, I think, coming out of the White House.

00:12:58.780 I'll get to that in a second.

00:12:59.720 But then it's the upsell.

00:13:01.880 The upsets urgency.

00:13:03.340 It's the old salesman trick urgency.

00:13:04.560 And then flip you to an upsell, which is now regime change, not just the nuclear.

00:13:08.260 Or what do you mean that we they're not going to wait forever?

00:13:12.280 What does that even mean?

00:13:13.100 Go now.

00:13:14.700 The boardroom is telling you, finish what you started.

00:13:17.740 We're cool with that.

00:13:18.720 If you want to do that, that's fine.

00:13:20.140 Do it.

00:13:21.200 We've been providing air defense.

00:13:22.940 We've been providing helping you knock out the incommies, which is getting harder and harder. 1.00

00:13:27.640 A hospital hit last night.

00:13:30.140 But what is this?

00:13:32.660 They're not going to wait forever.

00:13:34.040 Don't wait.

00:13:34.900 Go now.

00:13:35.500 Commando raid, multiple bombing runs.

00:13:38.580 Take it out.

00:13:40.660 Max Boots said that you couldn't do it unless you had the U.S.

00:13:43.440 And this is our concern here in the United States, is that we've been forced into something that you knew you couldn't finish and that you would need to drag us in here.

00:13:51.960 Well, let's assume for the purpose of this discussion, we don't want to be dragged in here, particularly if you have another alternative.

00:13:58.700 So, David Ignatius, go back to Langley and tell him to call the Mossad and talk to the guys in Tel Aviv and say, hey, don't wait.

00:14:07.780 Go get on it, man.

00:14:09.980 Take it down.

00:14:11.160 Send some commandos in there.

00:14:12.420 The IDF has done a magnificent job against Hezbollah, done a magnificent job in southern Syria, has done, I think, a damn good job of the total political backing against the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, of which, by the way, remember, the war room has had your back from the beginning. 0.65

00:14:30.180 We're taking incoming from everybody, telling you, if you've got to go through hell, go through as quickly as possible.

00:14:36.080 It still stands here.

00:14:38.120 Do not wait for us.

00:14:40.040 Go.

00:14:40.520 Go right now. 1.00

00:14:41.980 Bomb it nonstop. 0.99

00:14:43.200 Send commandos in. 0.95

00:14:44.120 Anything you need to do. 1.00

00:14:46.260 Kill me, told the world, you can do it. 1.00

00:14:49.120 You got it. 0.99

00:14:52.940 And let President Trump work what he's trying to work, which is other alternatives.

00:14:57.600 Short break.

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00:16:27.600 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:16:29.700 Bannon.

00:16:30.060 Okay, two massive stories.

00:16:33.660 This is one of my issues with all the focus on the war, the Persian war, is that two massive stories.

00:16:41.680 Steve Camerata's got an incredible story about migration, immigration, re-migration, all of it over at CS.

00:16:48.880 He's on deck, we'll get to him in a moment.

00:16:50.480 David Drucker over at the dispatch, a massive story about African-American men coming to the MAGA cause and not just temporarily.

00:17:02.080 And remember, we don't want to lose these guys.

00:17:04.100 This is the whole re-foundation of a Republican Party that's like the Democratic Party in 1932 where we govern for 50 years.

00:17:11.520 And then Hugo Lowe's amazing piece coming out of The Guardian with kind of exclusive analysis of actually, I think, the tactical capabilities of what we actually got here.

00:17:21.120 Jack Posobiec.

00:17:21.820 And Jack, I want to be brutally frank, and because you've got him up on Twitter, so I guess you get the intellectual property.

00:17:28.420 All of that pressure, urgency, and upsell, that was all from Jack Posobiec.

00:17:33.560 That was all Jack Posobiec, who basically is on the writer's staff.

00:17:36.220 You're like Conan O'Brien.

00:17:37.780 You're on the writer's staff at the War Room, and you've got your own gig kind of later in the afternoon, and eventually you'll fleet up to the big show, right?

00:17:43.400 Is that how it works, Jack?

00:17:45.680 Yeah, we'll see.

00:17:46.780 I don't exactly have the carrot top for it, though.

00:17:50.660 Tell me about your thoughts now.

00:17:52.120 Your intelligence officer, President Trump's weighing and measuring, a lot of reports that he's kind of made a decision, if he so chooses, for a tactical alternative here.

00:18:03.320 But it's pretty clear, particularly once you address Ignatius in the CIA, because he's a mouthpiece, telling us, like, the decision's going to be in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and we can't, you know, you can't, America can't wait.

00:18:15.120 You can't wait because they're going to go.

00:18:17.120 I mean, what the hell?

00:18:18.040 Where are we right now on this, Posobiec?

00:18:19.800 Yeah, Steve, David Ignatius sounds like every used car salesman up there saying, oh, it's got to be done.

00:18:26.020 This price is only going to be locked in right now.

00:18:28.340 And, Steve, of course, you remember back when we were in Arizona, when they did the whole, oh, they put that roast coating on down at the factory.

00:18:36.340 Put that roast coating on down at the factory.

00:18:38.860 It sounds like, David Ignatius sounds like a used car salesman saying, I can only lock this right in.

00:18:42.960 I'm going to have to talk to the manager.

00:18:44.160 No, no.

00:18:45.520 President Trump is the one who sets the timetable.

00:18:49.240 President Trump is the one who makes the decision.

00:18:52.780 Tel Aviv doesn't make the decision.

00:18:54.660 BB doesn't make the decision.

00:18:56.480 No.

00:18:57.000 President Trump is the commander in chief, and only he makes the decision.

00:19:01.720 And I don't want to hear any talking heads out there, by the way, say that President Trump can't have a meeting if he wants to have a meeting.

00:19:07.760 There was some guy yapping yesterday that President Trump shouldn't hold any more meetings.

00:19:11.780 He should make a decision to go on right now.

00:19:13.520 No, sorry.

00:19:14.300 There's one person that the American people voted for, and his name is President Donald J. Trump.

00:19:20.800 And he has the Trumpian ability that the American people and all the people of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan and Nevada and Arizona and Georgia and all the crossover voters and the working class, the multi-ethnic working class that came over said,

00:19:37.120 we trust President Trump to make these decisions, number one, put our interests first, number two, keep us safe, and number three, restore American greatness.

00:19:47.520 Now, Steve, when it comes down to this, you can totally see the upsell coming as soon as they finish it because they want to lock you in with this strike on the facility.

00:19:56.380 And they're acting like that's dumb, but then out of the other side of their mouth, what do they say?

00:20:00.020 They say, well, you know, the nuclear program might still be there, and it might take multiple runs, and, you know, that's only really going to bury it because the bunker-busting bomb, these GBUs, 0.92

00:20:09.700 they have the ability to bury it, but they can't destroy it, so they can unbury it and would really – and the defense department has assessments.

00:20:17.220 And by the way, Benny Gantz, the head of the IDF, former head, has come out and said this would only set Iran back a year, maybe two years.

00:20:23.280 The former Mossad chief has come out and said the same, that these strikes would only be temporary setbacks.

00:20:27.560 So the question is, is their real goal all along regime change?

00:20:32.520 Does BB actually know this?

00:20:34.320 And what he's telling Trump is saying, hey, go in and do this one strike because he knows at that point you're going to be locked in, you're going to be sucked into the war.

00:20:41.700 And he said, well, if you're going to be here anyway, you might as well go for the full regime change.

00:20:46.540 And unfortunately, it seems like that's what he's doing because he went up on ABC,

00:20:51.240 and we're not going to forget what BB said on ABC.

00:20:53.580 He went on ABC and he said the quiet part out loud about the upsell.

00:20:58.040 He said the only way to truly end Iran's nuclear program is regime change.

00:21:04.340 Because think about it.

00:21:05.140 See, you can't bomb away thousands of scientists and thousands of engineers and thousands of specialists.

00:21:10.620 And Russia, by the way, has got specialists over there.

00:21:12.760 Bushir Putin's out there saying that.

00:21:14.180 He said, wait a minute.

00:21:14.820 Some of these specialists on these nuclear sites are Russian.

00:21:17.520 So what happens if you kill Russian scientists in the middle of one of these things? 0.94

00:21:21.140 You're going to have an entire dog's breakfast on your hands. 0.99

00:21:23.540 That's why the real goal, suck the United States in, have the regime change go off, 0.99

00:21:29.260 and unfortunately have the United States finish something that was started not by us.

00:21:36.380 And that's the real thing.

00:21:37.360 That's the real issue that's going on here.

00:21:39.300 President Trump understands all of this.

00:21:41.220 They've played the thing out for President Trump, I don't know, for 10 years or so or beyond,

00:21:45.580 even for Iran politics, about Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

00:21:49.680 OK?

00:21:50.800 There's no doubt about that.

00:21:51.960 And he was negotiating about that.

00:21:53.560 No doubt.

00:21:54.040 He actually put in sanctions in the first term that led to a street revolution.

00:21:58.060 The way you have regime change is it's got to come from the street.

00:22:01.120 It has to come from the people.

00:22:02.340 If it comes from the top, from a foreign power, it never works. 1.00

00:22:05.440 Can I mention Iraq?

00:22:07.080 Remember yesterday at the Christian Science Monitor, Grizzly over at Newsmax,

00:22:13.020 one of the best old school reporters in town, said, hey, Steve, you know,

00:22:15.880 now they're setting up meetings for this Iranian council that they've got the Shah

00:22:21.380 and they've got, you know, MEK and all these guys that go, man, please don't do this to me.

00:22:25.260 Right?

00:22:25.500 We're going to do due diligence on this now.

00:22:27.560 Remember the Iraqi – everybody in the audience, remember the – what was it?

00:22:30.480 The Iraqi Congress with Chalibay?

00:22:32.980 Remember Chalibay?

00:22:33.340 Chalibay, how we – you know, on Fox News every day, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:22:38.740 You had Chalibay.

00:22:39.640 You had – yeah, we're there.

00:22:40.580 We're going to go.

00:22:41.940 When we marched up country in Saddam Hussein Feld, those guys went in and you never heard 0.98

00:22:46.340 from them again.

00:22:47.280 They were thrown out.

00:22:47.980 The guys in Iraq go, who are you guys again?

00:22:49.900 Where have you been?

00:22:50.480 The United States?

00:22:51.200 No, you're not part of us.

00:22:53.580 It's the same bait and switcher.

00:22:54.680 We never had a reasoned discussion at any level to talk about regime change.

00:23:01.740 We've talked – I've talked about it here on economic warfare is what you do is what

00:23:06.760 President Trump started in the first term.

00:23:10.100 And you saw in 22, Jack, when they took to the streets – now, they weren't ready to

00:23:15.580 overthrow the regime, but that's how it gets done when they take over the streets and

00:23:19.060 they got, you know, two million kids in the streets saying, hey, we don't want to live

00:23:22.560 like this anymore.

00:23:23.780 Economic warfare can get you there when it comes from the Persian people. 1.00

00:23:26.900 It comes from the Kurds that are in Iran.

00:23:30.660 It comes from these other groups when they do it.

00:23:33.000 If you want to do that, that's how you do it.

00:23:34.900 But that's not overnight.

00:23:36.080 It's not a decapitation.

00:23:37.460 You own a decapitation.

00:23:38.860 Colin Powell, who was wrong about so many things, he was dead right on one thing.

00:23:43.360 You break it, you own it.

00:23:45.240 You break it, you own it.

00:23:46.540 And so now we're being upsold in this sense of urgency.

00:23:49.540 It has to happen today.

00:23:52.020 President Trump has to happen today.

00:23:54.280 Nobody has explained why it had to happen last Thursday night because BB went on Fox

00:24:00.140 on Sunday and told Brett Baer, they're 12 or 13 months away from having a weapon.

00:24:05.200 That's what he said.

00:24:06.260 That's his words, not the war rooms.

00:24:08.380 12 or 13 months.

00:24:09.980 So did it have to happen last week?

00:24:11.580 Does this have to happen today?

00:24:13.260 Does the president of the United States not get some time to weigh and measure?

00:24:15.880 And then yesterday, Levin's telling them no more meetings with the Iranians.

00:24:20.560 Jack, what does that even mean?

00:24:21.840 The president of the United States, Trump, who's a guy who likes optionality, if you

00:24:26.820 ever give him a range of alternatives in any path as you go down that path, it also has

00:24:32.080 to have options.

00:24:33.260 He likes to be able to call audibles, right?

00:24:35.880 He understands football.

00:24:36.940 He understands kind of strategy.

00:24:38.360 You want to always keep them so they don't know you're exactly coming for them.

00:24:42.820 How does Levin get off saying no more meetings with the Iranians?

00:24:47.680 What does that even mean?

00:24:48.820 Well, Steve, I'm pretty sure that the American people voted for Donald J.

00:24:53.740 Trump to be president of the United States and not Mark Levin.

00:24:57.080 And Steve, President Trump's got two other weapons that I don't hear anybody talking about

00:25:01.900 right now.

00:25:02.400 And you know what?

00:25:02.780 Those two weapons are extremely powerful weapons.

00:25:05.160 He's got two incredibly, he's got two incredible weapons.

00:25:08.380 One in the bunker buster Besant and one is bunker buster Whitcoff.

00:25:14.300 So you got Besant on one side with the economics.

00:25:17.080 And he understands, by the way, you want to put pressure on the mullahs. 0.95

00:25:20.060 Well, you go to the Chinese Communist Party because the Chinese Communist Party and you 0.86

00:25:24.060 put the squeeze on them.

00:25:25.100 That's Iran's number one largest customer.

00:25:28.680 Ninety percent of their oil gets sold to the CCP.

00:25:31.820 Boom.

00:25:32.360 Tie that to the trade deal.

00:25:33.680 Then you got Whitcoff and say, you know what?

00:25:35.440 Hey, Russia, you want this piece in Ukraine?

00:25:37.740 You want the ceasefire, the Sarmacist, all this other stuff?

00:25:40.060 Guess what?

00:25:40.820 You're going to help us put the squeeze on the mullahs as well. 1.00

00:25:43.140 So through Besant and Whitcoff, and everybody remembers, this was President Trump's grand

00:25:47.720 strategy.

00:25:48.420 This was the strategy he laid out in the early days of the administration before all this

00:25:52.980 high-pressure sales tactics began and the upselling and all the rest, is he was going

00:25:57.260 to find a way to economically cripple these regimes and then bring in the diplomacy and

00:26:03.800 the military treaties along with ending the Ukraine war and ending this whole war in

00:26:08.360 the Middle East without any of this.

00:26:10.480 That was the Besant and Whitcoff plan.

00:26:13.140 Dr. Thayer reminds me, I'm going to try to get Thayer on here this afternoon.

00:26:16.260 We're trying to get Hugo Lowe on here this afternoon, too.

00:26:18.320 We also got Steve Camerata is going to come up in a moment, and Dave Bratz with us.

00:26:25.300 Dr. Thayer brings up a good point, because you know we like history here.

00:26:29.140 The reason we like history, if you understand history, you understand, hey, the patterns

00:26:35.180 of history, the cycles of history, when history is accelerating.

00:26:38.860 What we're living through now is an acceleration moment.

00:26:41.520 History, you see, so much things are happening.

00:26:43.800 This is in a fourth turning, and now it's accelerating, so it kind of tries to overwhelm you.

00:26:47.540 What we try to do at the war room here is make sure that you were a still point in a turning world.

00:26:52.880 In World War I, the Times of London at that time was the paper, the global paper.

00:26:58.560 It was essentially what the Financial Times of London is today.

00:27:01.100 So the Times of London, which is a big paper today, was actually bigger then.

00:27:04.560 They had a front page story at the end of June, Jack Posobiec, when Ferdinand and his wife

00:27:11.700 were assassinated by Serbian nationals.

00:27:13.840 So the print, and he was in the line of succession for the Austrian-Hungary throne,

00:27:18.620 which was a massive...

00:27:19.340 He was the heir.

00:27:19.840 ...at the time.

00:27:20.380 He was the heir.

00:27:21.640 His assassination by Serbian nationals made the front page and was the lead story in the

00:27:26.260 Times of London, I think on the last day of June.

00:27:30.020 It did not have another story about it until, I think, the first of August, when they went

00:27:36.460 to...

00:27:37.460 British went to full mobilization.

00:27:38.980 What happened in World War I, same thing's kind of happening here.

00:27:42.060 It was all kind of behind the scenes of what's happening, but it wasn't really in the public

00:27:45.200 conscious.

00:27:46.520 And all of a sudden, the next thing you know is that, yo, we're at war, and we're doing

00:27:51.240 a mobilization.

00:27:52.240 The Germans are mobilizing.

00:27:53.240 The von Schlieffen plans kicked in.

00:27:55.140 The Germans are on the train.

00:27:56.400 They're heading to Paris.

00:27:57.400 They're going through Belgium.

00:27:58.760 We've secured Belgium neutrality. 0.54

00:28:00.700 We got a treaty.

00:28:01.700 Oh, by the way, that treaty is kind of a secret treaty.

00:28:03.660 Here we go.

00:28:04.660 We need British soldiers. 0.63

00:28:06.920 That led to the catastrophe, the guns of August.

00:28:10.760 Europe's never recovered from that.

00:28:13.320 From that came World War II.

00:28:15.380 From the depths of those trenches came World War II.

00:28:17.920 My point, take a deep breath.

00:28:21.440 Let's think this through.

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00:29:44.640 Okay, while all this is going on, this is one of my issues with it, about the distraction of public attention and media attention.

00:29:55.940 Steve Camerata joins us for Center for Immigration Study.

00:29:58.680 If you know, we don't have Benzman on anymore because Benzman is now the right-hand man of Brother Homan and actually making this happen.

00:30:08.020 Steve, your story is, I think, kind of a bombshell.

00:30:10.200 Can you walk us through, and it's great news.

00:30:12.580 Can you walk us through exactly what's happening?

00:30:15.280 Look, yes, of course.

00:30:16.600 Look, we always hear that immigration is uncontrollable.

00:30:19.700 It's like the weather.

00:30:20.560 You can find.

00:30:21.600 Just search the Internet.

00:30:22.780 You can't stop it.

00:30:23.680 You have to accept it.

00:30:24.580 Get used to it.

00:30:25.940 Obviously, the massive drop, somewhere around 93%, 95% in apprehensions at the border since President Trump took over, shows that that was just always absurd on its face.

00:30:36.440 But what about folks here, already here?

00:30:38.760 Making them go home is not easy.

00:30:40.740 Sure, we're going to try to deport more folks, and that makes sense. 1.00

00:30:43.880 But what about people who go on their own?

00:30:46.300 We used to estimate that about 300,000 illegal immigrants actually went home on their own each year.

00:30:51.980 You know, they've been here long enough.

00:30:53.720 They want to go back and see mom.

00:30:55.220 They missed the home country.

00:30:56.400 They saved enough money, what have you.

00:30:58.000 Well, we can actually estimate those numbers, and I'll tell you how in a second.

00:31:02.040 When we look at that data, every month the government collects the current population survey, sometimes referred to as the household survey.

00:31:09.220 It's where we get the unemployment numbers and a lot of other wage data.

00:31:12.440 But for more than 30 years, they've actually asked, are you foreign-born?

00:31:18.400 Where were you born?

00:31:20.140 When did you come to America?

00:31:21.800 They even ask, in what country your parents were born?

00:31:24.320 But anyway, we can use that data to get at least a glimpse, a picture of what's going on.

00:31:29.400 It's not perfect, and I can discuss that.

00:31:31.320 But when we look at that data, we see a huge decline just since January, January through May, in the number of people who are from Latin America who said that they've arrived in the last 45 years, and they're not citizens.

00:31:45.660 That population is highly correlated with the illegal population.

00:31:50.320 And then when we do some other analysis, it looks like the illegal immigrant population in the United States fell by about a million just in a four-month period from January to May of this year.

00:32:03.460 Now, we can't say that with 100 percent certainty.

00:32:05.760 We can go into some of those caveats.

00:32:08.260 And yes, people are missed by the survey, but we can account for some of that.

00:32:11.620 And it shows a big change.

00:32:13.740 It turns out if you enforce the law, behavior changes, and some significant fraction of people will go home on their own.

00:32:23.580 Steve, this is huge, and it's backed up by Scott Bessens, the Georgia sector.

00:32:27.420 He had his right-hand man on here do their study, and they said the 2 percent increase to blue-collar wages was principally or a big part of it was because of the lack of competition from illegal alien labor.

00:32:39.880 And they said both President Trump stopping it and people self-deporting or leaving.

00:32:44.980 A million in four months is monumental.

00:32:47.600 Do you guys have any indication at CIS?

00:32:50.620 Is it just because it's in the media?

00:32:53.080 Is it the ICE raids?

00:32:54.780 What's driving?

00:32:55.840 Because that's just a massive number.

00:32:57.700 If you think about it, of the 10 million that came here, what we'd calculate, Mark Green said 12 million, President Trump's at 20, just on Biden's watch, that's 10 percent, which is a massive number.

00:33:09.120 Do you have any idea of what you think is causing this?

00:33:13.300 Oh, I think it is.

00:33:14.800 Remember, whatever the coverage in the English-language media of enforcement and Trump's actions and so forth and changes in policy,

00:33:24.180 the coverage in the foreign-language media in the United States, particularly the Spanish-language media, is three, four times that.

00:33:32.680 As a consequence, it magnifies enforcement.

00:33:36.380 It makes enforcement seem so much more potent, so much more extensive than perhaps it really is.

00:33:45.040 But the point is, perception matters.

00:33:47.300 Look, bottom line is, if you're driving too fast on the highway like everybody else and you see a cop pull somebody over, do you slow down?

00:33:54.680 Does it change your behavior?

00:33:56.200 Yeah.

00:33:56.620 The cop didn't actually have to stop you.

00:33:58.580 You didn't have to pay a speeding ticket.

00:34:00.060 Just the reality is, if enforcement becomes a real possibility, behavior changes.

00:34:07.780 We see that in so many circumstances.

00:34:10.540 Why wouldn't we expect to see it here?

00:34:12.560 Todd Benzman wrote books and really covered people coming across.

00:34:18.740 I know CIS has been at the lead of this.

00:34:21.020 Now that we're talking about a war and people saying, hey, there are all kind of sleeper cells.

00:34:24.580 There's Chinese.

00:34:25.660 There's radical jihads. 0.94

00:34:27.620 There's Persians or Iranians.

00:34:29.300 You've got Muslim Brotherhood. 0.99

00:34:31.460 What's your sense of how big, just generally how big a threat that is?

00:34:35.380 Is that just more conspiracy theory or is it something that we really need to focus on?

00:34:40.860 Well, remember, if a regime as powerful as China wants to get people in, we have a quarter of a million Chinese students in the United States.

00:34:48.780 We've got, you know, five, 800,000 other legal immigrants in the United States who are not even U.S. citizens, just Chinese nationals living in the United States.

00:34:57.800 It's not that hard for the Communist Party to get someone in.

00:35:00.100 So getting someone across the border might not be or slipping into the United States some other way is not really something they have to work that hard to do.

00:35:08.700 But look, we have tens of thousands of Iranian students.

00:35:11.240 We give tens of thousands of people from Iran green cards.

00:35:14.480 That's permanent residency in the United States every year.

00:35:18.260 Do some come across the border?

00:35:19.600 It's possible.

00:35:22.000 What you're really raising is if you have mass immigration.

00:35:26.180 Remember, in January, the number of immigrants in the United States in the same data we've been talking about hit a record high of 53.3 million.

00:35:36.060 That's all immigrants in the data.

00:35:38.200 Yes, some are missed.

00:35:39.560 But that 53.3 million is almost 16 percent of the population.

00:35:44.360 And that was a record.

00:35:45.920 In 1890 or 1910, when the last time when it hit a peak, was under 15 percent.

00:35:51.700 And so we have a record foreign-born population.

00:35:55.220 And does that make it easier for those who wish to do us harm to get in and operate in massive immigrant communities? 1.00

00:36:04.560 Yeah, it almost certainly does.

00:36:06.360 And that's something to think about.

00:36:07.680 There is a national security component to mass immigration, legal and illegal, for that matter.

00:36:13.780 And obviously, we don't really think much about that at all, even though we have had foreign-born spies and foreign-born terrorists, a lot of them, a significant number.

00:36:24.300 But it's always a tiny fraction of the total, remember.

00:36:27.100 But, yeah, it's a great question to ask.

00:36:29.740 Are we more vulnerable because we have this record-setting level of legal immigration on top of the illegal immigration?

00:36:38.240 Yeah, we probably are.

00:36:39.680 I think that that's a fair assessment.

00:36:41.640 But I don't have lots of specific knowledge about how many terrorist cells they're tracking and what is the immigration status of those individuals.

00:36:50.500 It's one of the reasons Ben's over ice.

00:36:53.740 It's one of the reasons Ben's over ice.

00:36:55.780 He's one of the experts.

00:36:56.620 Steve, last thing, this kind of back-and-forth big ag getting to President Trump or getting people around President Trump about stopping these ICE raids.

00:37:03.980 It's President Trump coming out saying $20 million, all got to go home, puts out another tweet.

00:37:07.980 We're going to double, triple down ICE raids in the sanctuary cities, and then he's reversed this temporary policy.

00:37:14.740 They're going to go back to ICE raids for agriculture, restaurants, hotels, all of it.

00:37:19.340 How much do you think – how much is that going to help us on getting the remainder of the $9 million that I calculate are still here from the Biden years?

00:37:29.180 Yeah, so bottom line is if you say, look, we're only going after murderers, robbers, and rapists, and terrorists, if you know who they are, I mean, that's a small fraction of the total, right?

00:37:40.120 Whatever you think – I come down on the side that the number of illegal immigrants in the United States is about 16 million.

00:37:45.480 But if you think it's 20 or 10, it doesn't really matter.

00:37:47.860 The point is most are not terrorists, murderers, robbers, or rapists.

00:37:50.820 So if you want a reduction in illegal immigration, you're going to have to go after what we might call run-of-the-mill illegal immigrants. 0.84

00:37:58.800 I would just add one thing about agriculture to remind your listeners.

00:38:01.720 We already have an unlimited guest worker program in that sector, just for that sector.

00:38:07.240 But you have to treat workers a certain way.

00:38:09.840 You have to pay them a certain amount.

00:38:11.580 And you have to provide them with decent housing.

00:38:14.680 And a lot of farmers are not crazy about that.

00:38:16.920 They think it's too inflexible.

00:38:18.380 They think it costs too much.

00:38:19.540 But it is used.

00:38:20.700 Hundreds of thousands of people have come in under that program.

00:38:23.140 So it is used.

00:38:24.060 So if you really think we need agricultural labor, that's a special case.

00:38:29.520 It makes up about 4%, maybe, of all illegal immigrants in the United States at most.

00:38:35.140 But if you really think – because remember, the ag sector isn't that big relative to the number of people here.

00:38:40.640 The agricultural sector, if you really think that's special, maybe you tweak that program.

00:38:44.960 But we already have a special program.

00:38:46.800 So the idea that we need to make some special allowance and let them employ illegal immigrants, to my mind, is absurd. 1.00

00:38:53.620 And, of course, remember, the vast majority of illegal immigrants don't work in agriculture.

00:38:57.280 So if we want to get control, we've got to go across the board.

00:39:00.660 You can't just say, I'll only do the criminals.

00:39:03.780 You can start with the criminals.

00:39:04.880 You can prioritize the criminals.

00:39:06.840 But that's not how you enforce the law.

00:39:10.660 And that's where their heads are blown up.

00:39:12.180 Oh, President Trump never said no.

00:39:13.460 He said, and he reiterated with that tweet the other day, a true social, 20 million.

00:39:17.320 Camerata, where do people go to CIS?

00:39:19.340 Where do they go to get you personally, social media, website, all of it?

00:39:22.260 Well, CIS has, you know, we're on Twitter and other social media.

00:39:28.700 We have a lot on YouTube.

00:39:29.960 But CIS.org, all of our publications, including mine, are there.

00:39:34.040 Just CIS.org.

00:39:35.740 If Grace and Moe can push this out, everybody in the chats to read this story and push it out,

00:39:42.900 President Trump's policies are working.

00:39:45.000 Thank you, sir.

00:39:45.480 Appreciate you.

00:39:46.840 Thanks for having me.

00:39:47.500 Dave Bratt, your thoughts, your thoughts and observations, sir?

00:39:51.420 Yeah, thank God for Camerata there.

00:39:54.080 That's a bombshell.

00:39:56.080 He says we don't have data on a lot of this national security thing.

00:39:59.920 We do have plenty of data.

00:40:01.560 Last week, the Los Angeles riots, the No Kings movement.

00:40:05.740 Across the entire country.

00:40:07.700 That was the dying gasp of the left, I hope.

00:40:11.400 They went all chips in, right, on this domestic war.

00:40:14.840 And that's what it is.

00:40:15.620 John Solomon broke the story on illegal voting due to China.

00:40:20.860 The No Kings movement is funded by Walmart heiresses, a bunch of elitists, globalists.

00:40:29.640 China, I think, was also in on the funding of some of the No Kings things.

00:40:33.680 I'm sure Natalie knows all that stuff.

00:40:36.560 But we're in the middle of a domestic war, right?

00:40:39.240 China, the elitists, the globalists, they're all using this to topple the U.S. regime and the culture we have in this country, like Europe, right?

00:40:49.880 London right now, they've lost the battle already.

00:40:53.180 They have lost their culture. 0.98

00:40:54.480 They're going to have to fight to get it back.

00:40:56.260 We'll see if that happens.

00:40:57.700 But in the U.S., Camerata's data there are promising, right?

00:41:01.160 So the left, I would expect them to go all in.

00:41:04.140 They're going to push all the chips in on this domestic war because they see the numbers moving against them.

00:41:09.520 And the voting – that Solomon story, I want to do more on because that is huge, right?

00:41:15.860 We have the receipts now on China affecting our elections.

00:41:20.480 We've said it for years.

00:41:21.700 Now we've got the receipts.

00:41:22.860 I've got Ava and some of the new federal state people are going to join me tonight live and go through this.

00:41:28.680 Jack Posobiec, correct me if I'm wrong, brother.

00:41:32.060 Strategically, is this not the central front that we have to – we must win on this front, which is the invasion of our country by these illegal alien invaders brought in by this illegitimate regime called the Biden regime, sir? 0.78

00:41:45.300 Well, Steve, there's no question.

00:41:46.560 And Kayleigh McEnany was up last night talking about this as well, that this is President Trump's number one issue.

00:41:53.400 This is number one in polling.

00:41:54.760 This is number one what the voters want.

00:41:56.620 This is the number one that voters, when they rack and stack priorities, this is the number one reason President Trump was put into office with the mandate of mass deportations of the illegal invaders. 0.83

00:42:07.120 I mean, you look at it from a national security perspective, from a geo-economic perspective, from an economic perspective just for Gen Z and everyone in middle America, for working Americans, the mass deportations must commence. 0.94

00:42:21.760 And if they don't, you're not going to have a country in 10, 20, 30 years.

00:42:25.920 The United States of America will cease to be if we do not take care of this issue, this massive invasion and migrant crisis as it is right now. 0.99

00:42:35.220 And there's a lot of Republicans out there, Steve.

00:42:36.720 It's not the Democrats.

00:42:37.700 There's a lot of Republicans out there that don't actually believe that this country has been invaded by 20 – and by the way, 20 million is the lowest possible estimate right now.

00:42:46.860 There are people who say 30, 40, 50 million, right?

00:42:49.180 There are Republicans who don't actually believe that this country has been invaded, that we are bursting at the seams and every issue across the board, from security to crime to housing to economy to health care, is because of this massive invasion.

00:43:02.540 Hang on.

00:43:03.540 Two stories we're going to get to today.

00:43:05.140 David Drucker – we're going to try to get Drucker on this afternoon.

00:43:07.780 Black men's shift towards GOP may not be fleeting, and that is in Bloomberg, not in Breitbart, not in Gateway Pundit, not here in the War Room. 0.75

00:43:15.920 That is David Drucker from the dispatch.

00:43:17.820 No super-maga site on Bloomberg, particularly no super-maga site. 0.98

00:43:23.120 Black men's shift towards the GOP may not be fleeting.

00:43:26.660 Also, Hugo Lull at The Guardian, Trump wants to strike Iran only if the U.S. can destroy Fordor's enrichment facility with a bunker bomb.

00:43:36.400 The Pentagon concluded earlier this year they don't go deep enough, and totally destroying Fordor requires a tactical nuke.

00:43:43.440 What if he had the brightest mind in the War Room, delivering critical financial research every month?

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00:44:58.060 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:45:03.480 Welcome back.

00:45:04.180 Okay, you got enough turbulence?

00:45:06.400 I think it's going to get more turbulent.

00:45:08.680 When I talk about a fourth turning in the acceleration, we're going through an acceleration phase.

00:45:13.420 Remember we say there's decades in which nothing happens and there are weeks in which decades happen.

00:45:18.460 You're living through one of those weeks right now.

00:45:20.120 As we've talked about, our theory of the case is that the whole ten years, the entire decade of President Trump coming on the scene as a political figure and the leader of the MAGA movement, the creator and leader of the America First and the Make America Great Again movement,

00:45:34.920 is with the ups and downs, triumphs and tragedies, victories and defeats, all of it.

00:45:41.040 And you lived it.

00:45:42.640 And most of you in this audience worked it, used your own human agency to make sure it manifested itself.

00:45:48.680 Because divine providence works through human agency.

00:45:53.660 That's just a preamble for the next couple of hundred days.

00:45:56.920 Because now you see the convergence of these crises that the globalists either brought on us or the political class just wanted to kick the can down the road where there's no more kicking the can.

00:46:06.660 And this is why it's always good to take like a deep breath and go, well, hang on for a second.

00:46:12.000 Let's take a deep breath.

00:46:13.720 You know, we jumped into Vietnam over the, remember the Tonkin Gulf crisis, as we find out later?

00:46:19.640 I don't know.

00:46:20.820 Maybe that wasn't what it was made up to be, right?

00:46:23.500 You got the war fever.

00:46:25.720 Remember the weapons of mass destruction?

00:46:28.440 Got the war fever, the yellow cake, all of it. 0.55

00:46:30.660 Colin Powell's, you know, presentation to the security council, which he'll never live down.

00:46:38.360 Every time somebody's trying to bum rush you into something, just say, whoa, just like a salesman on a used car line.

00:46:44.260 Whoa, let's take a deep breath.

00:46:45.740 What are we talking about here?

00:46:47.320 Why is this urgent?

00:46:48.300 What are you asking me to do?

00:46:49.780 What's the outcomes of this?

00:46:51.040 What's the secondary and tertiary outcomes?

00:46:54.400 What exactly?

00:46:55.460 Let's take a deep breath and think this through.

00:46:57.400 Think it through because the law of unintended consequences is essentially the fog of war.

00:47:05.200 And that's going to happen.

00:47:07.180 That's where the story with Hugo Lowe's so explosive because it's pretty open secret is not Jack Posobiec that, hey, just not, you know, all these people cheerleading, you know, Kayleigh McEnany.

00:47:16.540 Let's do something.

00:47:17.460 Let's go do something.

00:47:18.560 Don't sit in your beach chairs.

00:47:20.880 Put your pom poms down, Kayleigh. 1.00

00:47:22.920 You know, people have to think this through.

00:47:24.980 Not just let's go do something.

00:47:26.280 Let's go drop a bunker-busting bomb and put a bunch of American pilots. 1.00

00:47:30.680 What did Fox end with today?

00:47:31.980 They prayed for the American pilots.

00:47:33.480 They're going to do the bombing runs.

00:47:34.380 Hey, yo, take a deep breath.

00:47:36.900 President Trump tells you we're not there yet.

00:47:39.380 Jack Posobiec, your thoughts and observations.

00:47:43.340 Well, Steve, look, and I read this piece as well about, and this is all about an assessment from the Department of Defense, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, DTRA.

00:47:53.640 And their goal is, and I've talked about BDA on this program before, so Battle Damage Assessment.

00:47:59.620 So when you're conducting a strike, whether it be on a facility, whether it be on a building, whether it be on a person in some of these assassination strikes or a hellfire strike, like which took out Soleimani way back when, you're determining what type of ordinance do you want to use for what type of target.

00:48:16.760 And now the enemy, of course, gets a vote, and they understand our ordinance, and they understand what we have as well.

00:48:22.900 This is why Iran employs decoys, and many of their air defense sites that have been struck have actually been decoys. 0.96

00:48:29.900 This is an old Soviet deception program, Moskorova, which was, you know, they would use inflatables. 0.72

00:48:35.120 They would use the rest.

00:48:35.840 And, of course, it even goes back to the U.S. doing that in Normandy back in World War II.

00:48:39.300 And so one of the other, of course, tactics to defeat ordinance is to bury your sites deep underground.

00:48:47.720 This, of course, is what Iran has done in this case with the Fordo site. 0.80

00:48:51.980 And so the Defense Threat Agency, the DTRA, has come in to say, all right, this is our assessment.

00:48:58.340 And this has been briefed up to the Pentagon, and it remains to be seen whether or not this has been briefed directly to President Trump in these meetings,

00:49:05.460 where there are serious questions as to whether or not these bunker buster bombs would have the ability to completely take out the facility at Fordo,

00:49:14.520 because it is so deep, because it is within this mountain range south of Tehran there, because it was built for this express purpose.

00:49:22.160 If it can penetrate all the way in, because the goal of the these bombs don't have a lot of explosive power.

00:49:27.920 The bunker busters, what their goal is, they have a giant steel casing around them.

00:49:32.640 That casing penetrates the bunker, or in this case, have to penetrate through solid rock to get all the way to the center of the mountain.

00:49:39.440 And then the explosive charge itself actually isn't as large compared to some of the other ordinance out there.

00:49:43.900 The entire goal being that it's got to get through. That's why the weight is so heavy.

00:49:48.680 And that's why you need the B2 heavy bomber just to be able to carry and launch this thing.

00:49:53.060 So they're putting up the assessment saying, hey, one bomb might not be enough.

00:49:56.140 You might need multiples. We don't know how many strikes it would take.

00:49:59.440 And even going beyond that, because there are so many levels on this thing, you might only be able to take out the first couple levels.

00:50:06.200 The centrifuges down at the bottom might still be intact.

00:50:09.600 And by the way, this is exactly why Bibi himself pointed out that you might need commandos to infiltrate this facility to take it out on a direct manned mission, similar to the bin Laden raid or something like that, where they would go in to ensure the destruction.

00:50:26.820 Because if you don't destroy those centrifuges and the scientists and all the rest, because it's a dispersed program.

00:50:33.460 And even though this is the largest site, they have other sites.

00:50:35.800 The point being is you may only set them back a year.

00:50:38.980 You might only set them back two years.

00:50:40.800 And now you're finding yourselves in a shooting war with Iran, which may be, as we've said, this regime change goal that they've been trying to upsell all along. 0.71

00:50:48.840 Jack, what's your social media?

00:50:51.480 I know you've got to bounce.

00:50:52.260 Thank you for spending the hour with us.

00:50:53.640 Where do people go to get your Twitter feed, which is red hot?

00:50:58.400 Well, of course, Steve, until they ban me, I'm up or take me out by other means before the bunker busting bomb on Bunker Poso goes off.

00:51:07.740 We're up at Jack Posobiec.

00:51:09.480 We're going to be here 2 p.m.

00:51:10.960 And, of course, today we will be celebrating the Feast of the Solemnity of Corpus Christi.

00:51:17.500 I don't know if there's any other holidays today.

00:51:19.080 But we're going to be celebrating the solemnity of the Holy Body and the Holy Blood of Christ Jesus.

00:51:24.880 And, you know, Steve, they're running around telling me, hey, there's no kings.

00:51:28.560 There's no kings.

00:51:29.240 There's no kings.

00:51:29.540 I agree.

00:51:30.380 No kings but Christ because Christ is king.

00:51:34.240 There he goes, Jack Posobiec.

00:51:36.300 Thank you so much.

00:51:37.240 The head of our writer staff, Jack Posobiec.

00:51:38.980 Since we're doing theology these days, since we're going into theology.

00:51:44.360 We're leaving that to the Calvinist, Dave Bratt.

00:51:48.800 Okay.

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Bannon's War Room - June 19, 2025

Episode 4571： Failure Of Planning Can Lead To Vacuum Of Terror

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