In this episode, I sit down with former Vice President Joe Biden to discuss the Iran nuclear deal with President Donald Trump, and whether or not he should join forces with Israel in a potential strike on Iran's nuclear facilities in Iran.
00:03:42.200You don't want to lay out all of your options or plans that, oh, I'm going to start with plan A and then move to B and so on.
00:03:48.020You don't want your adversary when you're dealing with a dictator like this to know all that.
00:03:51.900But that said, he is very seriously considering joining strikes against Fordow, right?
00:03:58.020That's that's what we're talking about here.
00:03:59.700This isn't where it's not something where he's talking about join deploying troops across across Iran war that's similar to Iraq or Afghanistan.
00:04:08.580I've heard this comparison many times.
00:10:40.060We called this Friday morning when the assault happened.
00:10:43.160We said this looks like a decapitation, not just of the nuclear program, but of much of their general staff in a regime change, a regime destruction.
00:11:07.600But I want to go back, Jack, I want to go back to David Ignatius on Morning Joe, because Ben Harnwell, as you know, named the Washington Post the Langley Bugle.
00:11:18.120And Ignatius is the, he's the comms department for the CIA, quite frankly.
00:12:01.840But there's more and more talk being leaked about commando operations, other ways to get deep underground at Fordow and have some of the same effects they could get from the U.S.
00:12:12.880So the idea that we can take as long as we want and make up our minds two weeks from today, not necessarily.
00:12:20.300This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision primarily.
00:12:23.380This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision.
00:13:40.660Max Boots said that you couldn't do it unless you had the U.S.
00:13:43.440And this is our concern here in the United States, is that we've been forced into something that you knew you couldn't finish and that you would need to drag us in here.
00:13:51.960Well, let's assume for the purpose of this discussion, we don't want to be dragged in here, particularly if you have another alternative.
00:13:58.700So, David Ignatius, go back to Langley and tell him to call the Mossad and talk to the guys in Tel Aviv and say, hey, don't wait.
00:14:12.420The IDF has done a magnificent job against Hezbollah, done a magnificent job in southern Syria, has done, I think, a damn good job of the total political backing against the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, of which, by the way, remember, the war room has had your back from the beginning.
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00:16:33.660This is one of my issues with all the focus on the war, the Persian war, is that two massive stories.
00:16:41.680Steve Camerata's got an incredible story about migration, immigration, re-migration, all of it over at CS.
00:16:48.880He's on deck, we'll get to him in a moment.
00:16:50.480David Drucker over at the dispatch, a massive story about African-American men coming to the MAGA cause and not just temporarily.
00:17:02.080And remember, we don't want to lose these guys.
00:17:04.100This is the whole re-foundation of a Republican Party that's like the Democratic Party in 1932 where we govern for 50 years.
00:17:11.520And then Hugo Lowe's amazing piece coming out of The Guardian with kind of exclusive analysis of actually, I think, the tactical capabilities of what we actually got here.
00:17:37.780You're on the writer's staff at the War Room, and you've got your own gig kind of later in the afternoon, and eventually you'll fleet up to the big show, right?
00:17:52.120Your intelligence officer, President Trump's weighing and measuring, a lot of reports that he's kind of made a decision, if he so chooses, for a tactical alternative here.
00:18:03.320But it's pretty clear, particularly once you address Ignatius in the CIA, because he's a mouthpiece, telling us, like, the decision's going to be in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and we can't, you know, you can't, America can't wait.
00:18:15.120You can't wait because they're going to go.
00:18:18.040Where are we right now on this, Posobiec?
00:18:19.800Yeah, Steve, David Ignatius sounds like every used car salesman up there saying, oh, it's got to be done.
00:18:26.020This price is only going to be locked in right now.
00:18:28.340And, Steve, of course, you remember back when we were in Arizona, when they did the whole, oh, they put that roast coating on down at the factory.
00:18:36.340Put that roast coating on down at the factory.
00:18:38.860It sounds like, David Ignatius sounds like a used car salesman saying, I can only lock this right in.
00:18:42.960I'm going to have to talk to the manager.
00:18:57.000President Trump is the commander in chief, and only he makes the decision.
00:19:01.720And I don't want to hear any talking heads out there, by the way, say that President Trump can't have a meeting if he wants to have a meeting.
00:19:07.760There was some guy yapping yesterday that President Trump shouldn't hold any more meetings.
00:19:11.780He should make a decision to go on right now.
00:19:14.300There's one person that the American people voted for, and his name is President Donald J. Trump.
00:19:20.800And he has the Trumpian ability that the American people and all the people of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan and Nevada and Arizona and Georgia and all the crossover voters and the working class, the multi-ethnic working class that came over said,
00:19:37.120we trust President Trump to make these decisions, number one, put our interests first, number two, keep us safe, and number three, restore American greatness.
00:19:47.520Now, Steve, when it comes down to this, you can totally see the upsell coming as soon as they finish it because they want to lock you in with this strike on the facility.
00:19:56.380And they're acting like that's dumb, but then out of the other side of their mouth, what do they say?
00:20:00.020They say, well, you know, the nuclear program might still be there, and it might take multiple runs, and, you know, that's only really going to bury it because the bunker-busting bomb, these GBUs,
00:20:09.700they have the ability to bury it, but they can't destroy it, so they can unbury it and would really – and the defense department has assessments.
00:20:17.220And by the way, Benny Gantz, the head of the IDF, former head, has come out and said this would only set Iran back a year, maybe two years.
00:20:23.280The former Mossad chief has come out and said the same, that these strikes would only be temporary setbacks.
00:20:27.560So the question is, is their real goal all along regime change?
00:20:34.320And what he's telling Trump is saying, hey, go in and do this one strike because he knows at that point you're going to be locked in, you're going to be sucked into the war.
00:20:41.700And he said, well, if you're going to be here anyway, you might as well go for the full regime change.
00:20:46.540And unfortunately, it seems like that's what he's doing because he went up on ABC,
00:20:51.240and we're not going to forget what BB said on ABC.
00:20:53.580He went on ABC and he said the quiet part out loud about the upsell.
00:20:58.040He said the only way to truly end Iran's nuclear program is regime change.
00:30:25.940Obviously, the massive drop, somewhere around 93%, 95% in apprehensions at the border since President Trump took over, shows that that was just always absurd on its face.
00:30:36.440But what about folks here, already here?
00:30:56.400They saved enough money, what have you.
00:30:58.000Well, we can actually estimate those numbers, and I'll tell you how in a second.
00:31:02.040When we look at that data, every month the government collects the current population survey, sometimes referred to as the household survey.
00:31:09.220It's where we get the unemployment numbers and a lot of other wage data.
00:31:12.440But for more than 30 years, they've actually asked, are you foreign-born?
00:31:21.800They even ask, in what country your parents were born?
00:31:24.320But anyway, we can use that data to get at least a glimpse, a picture of what's going on.
00:31:29.400It's not perfect, and I can discuss that.
00:31:31.320But when we look at that data, we see a huge decline just since January, January through May, in the number of people who are from Latin America who said that they've arrived in the last 45 years, and they're not citizens.
00:31:45.660That population is highly correlated with the illegal population.
00:31:50.320And then when we do some other analysis, it looks like the illegal immigrant population in the United States fell by about a million just in a four-month period from January to May of this year.
00:32:03.460Now, we can't say that with 100 percent certainty.
00:32:13.740It turns out if you enforce the law, behavior changes, and some significant fraction of people will go home on their own.
00:32:23.580Steve, this is huge, and it's backed up by Scott Bessens, the Georgia sector.
00:32:27.420He had his right-hand man on here do their study, and they said the 2 percent increase to blue-collar wages was principally or a big part of it was because of the lack of competition from illegal alien labor.
00:32:39.880And they said both President Trump stopping it and people self-deporting or leaving.
00:32:44.980A million in four months is monumental.
00:32:47.600Do you guys have any indication at CIS?
00:32:57.700If you think about it, of the 10 million that came here, what we'd calculate, Mark Green said 12 million, President Trump's at 20, just on Biden's watch, that's 10 percent, which is a massive number.
00:33:09.120Do you have any idea of what you think is causing this?
00:33:47.300Look, bottom line is, if you're driving too fast on the highway like everybody else and you see a cop pull somebody over, do you slow down?
00:34:31.460What's your sense of how big, just generally how big a threat that is?
00:34:35.380Is that just more conspiracy theory or is it something that we really need to focus on?
00:34:40.860Well, remember, if a regime as powerful as China wants to get people in, we have a quarter of a million Chinese students in the United States.
00:34:48.780We've got, you know, five, 800,000 other legal immigrants in the United States who are not even U.S. citizens, just Chinese nationals living in the United States.
00:34:57.800It's not that hard for the Communist Party to get someone in.
00:35:00.100So getting someone across the border might not be or slipping into the United States some other way is not really something they have to work that hard to do.
00:35:08.700But look, we have tens of thousands of Iranian students.
00:35:11.240We give tens of thousands of people from Iran green cards.
00:35:14.480That's permanent residency in the United States every year.
00:35:22.000What you're really raising is if you have mass immigration.
00:35:26.180Remember, in January, the number of immigrants in the United States in the same data we've been talking about hit a record high of 53.3 million.
00:36:07.680There is a national security component to mass immigration, legal and illegal, for that matter.
00:36:13.780And obviously, we don't really think much about that at all, even though we have had foreign-born spies and foreign-born terrorists, a lot of them, a significant number.
00:36:24.300But it's always a tiny fraction of the total, remember.
00:36:27.100But, yeah, it's a great question to ask.
00:36:29.740Are we more vulnerable because we have this record-setting level of legal immigration on top of the illegal immigration?
00:36:39.680I think that that's a fair assessment.
00:36:41.640But I don't have lots of specific knowledge about how many terrorist cells they're tracking and what is the immigration status of those individuals.
00:36:50.500It's one of the reasons Ben's over ice.
00:36:53.740It's one of the reasons Ben's over ice.
00:36:56.620Steve, last thing, this kind of back-and-forth big ag getting to President Trump or getting people around President Trump about stopping these ICE raids.
00:37:03.980It's President Trump coming out saying $20 million, all got to go home, puts out another tweet.
00:37:07.980We're going to double, triple down ICE raids in the sanctuary cities, and then he's reversed this temporary policy.
00:37:14.740They're going to go back to ICE raids for agriculture, restaurants, hotels, all of it.
00:37:19.340How much do you think – how much is that going to help us on getting the remainder of the $9 million that I calculate are still here from the Biden years?
00:37:29.180Yeah, so bottom line is if you say, look, we're only going after murderers, robbers, and rapists, and terrorists, if you know who they are, I mean, that's a small fraction of the total, right?
00:37:40.120Whatever you think – I come down on the side that the number of illegal immigrants in the United States is about 16 million.
00:37:45.480But if you think it's 20 or 10, it doesn't really matter.
00:37:47.860The point is most are not terrorists, murderers, robbers, or rapists.
00:37:50.820So if you want a reduction in illegal immigration, you're going to have to go after what we might call run-of-the-mill illegal immigrants.
00:37:58.800I would just add one thing about agriculture to remind your listeners.
00:38:01.720We already have an unlimited guest worker program in that sector, just for that sector.
00:38:07.240But you have to treat workers a certain way.
00:38:09.840You have to pay them a certain amount.
00:38:11.580And you have to provide them with decent housing.
00:38:14.680And a lot of farmers are not crazy about that.
00:40:15.620John Solomon broke the story on illegal voting due to China.
00:40:20.860The No Kings movement is funded by Walmart heiresses, a bunch of elitists, globalists.
00:40:29.640China, I think, was also in on the funding of some of the No Kings things.
00:40:33.680I'm sure Natalie knows all that stuff.
00:40:36.560But we're in the middle of a domestic war, right?
00:40:39.240China, the elitists, the globalists, they're all using this to topple the U.S. regime and the culture we have in this country, like Europe, right?
00:40:49.880London right now, they've lost the battle already.
00:41:22.860I've got Ava and some of the new federal state people are going to join me tonight live and go through this.
00:41:28.680Jack Posobiec, correct me if I'm wrong, brother.
00:41:32.060Strategically, is this not the central front that we have to – we must win on this front, which is the invasion of our country by these illegal alien invaders brought in by this illegitimate regime called the Biden regime, sir?
00:41:54.760This is number one what the voters want.
00:41:56.620This is the number one that voters, when they rack and stack priorities, this is the number one reason President Trump was put into office with the mandate of mass deportations of the illegal invaders.
00:42:07.120I mean, you look at it from a national security perspective, from a geo-economic perspective, from an economic perspective just for Gen Z and everyone in middle America, for working Americans, the mass deportations must commence.
00:42:21.760And if they don't, you're not going to have a country in 10, 20, 30 years.
00:42:25.920The United States of America will cease to be if we do not take care of this issue, this massive invasion and migrant crisis as it is right now.
00:42:35.220And there's a lot of Republicans out there, Steve.
00:42:37.700There's a lot of Republicans out there that don't actually believe that this country has been invaded by 20 – and by the way, 20 million is the lowest possible estimate right now.
00:42:46.860There are people who say 30, 40, 50 million, right?
00:42:49.180There are Republicans who don't actually believe that this country has been invaded, that we are bursting at the seams and every issue across the board, from security to crime to housing to economy to health care, is because of this massive invasion.
00:43:03.540Two stories we're going to get to today.
00:43:05.140David Drucker – we're going to try to get Drucker on this afternoon.
00:43:07.780Black men's shift towards GOP may not be fleeting, and that is in Bloomberg, not in Breitbart, not in Gateway Pundit, not here in the War Room.
00:43:15.920That is David Drucker from the dispatch.
00:43:17.820No super-maga site on Bloomberg, particularly no super-maga site.
00:43:23.120Black men's shift towards the GOP may not be fleeting.
00:43:26.660Also, Hugo Lull at The Guardian, Trump wants to strike Iran only if the U.S. can destroy Fordor's enrichment facility with a bunker bomb.
00:43:36.400The Pentagon concluded earlier this year they don't go deep enough, and totally destroying Fordor requires a tactical nuke.
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00:45:06.400I think it's going to get more turbulent.
00:45:08.680When I talk about a fourth turning in the acceleration, we're going through an acceleration phase.
00:45:13.420Remember we say there's decades in which nothing happens and there are weeks in which decades happen.
00:45:18.460You're living through one of those weeks right now.
00:45:20.120As we've talked about, our theory of the case is that the whole ten years, the entire decade of President Trump coming on the scene as a political figure and the leader of the MAGA movement, the creator and leader of the America First and the Make America Great Again movement,
00:45:34.920is with the ups and downs, triumphs and tragedies, victories and defeats, all of it.
00:45:42.640And most of you in this audience worked it, used your own human agency to make sure it manifested itself.
00:45:48.680Because divine providence works through human agency.
00:45:53.660That's just a preamble for the next couple of hundred days.
00:45:56.920Because now you see the convergence of these crises that the globalists either brought on us or the political class just wanted to kick the can down the road where there's no more kicking the can.
00:46:06.660And this is why it's always good to take like a deep breath and go, well, hang on for a second.
00:47:07.180That's where the story with Hugo Lowe's so explosive because it's pretty open secret is not Jack Posobiec that, hey, just not, you know, all these people cheerleading, you know, Kayleigh McEnany.
00:47:36.900President Trump tells you we're not there yet.
00:47:39.380Jack Posobiec, your thoughts and observations.
00:47:43.340Well, Steve, look, and I read this piece as well about, and this is all about an assessment from the Department of Defense, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, DTRA.
00:47:53.640And their goal is, and I've talked about BDA on this program before, so Battle Damage Assessment.
00:47:59.620So when you're conducting a strike, whether it be on a facility, whether it be on a building, whether it be on a person in some of these assassination strikes or a hellfire strike, like which took out Soleimani way back when, you're determining what type of ordinance do you want to use for what type of target.
00:48:16.760And now the enemy, of course, gets a vote, and they understand our ordinance, and they understand what we have as well.
00:48:22.900This is why Iran employs decoys, and many of their air defense sites that have been struck have actually been decoys.
00:48:29.900This is an old Soviet deception program, Moskorova, which was, you know, they would use inflatables.
00:48:35.840And, of course, it even goes back to the U.S. doing that in Normandy back in World War II.
00:48:39.300And so one of the other, of course, tactics to defeat ordinance is to bury your sites deep underground.
00:48:47.720This, of course, is what Iran has done in this case with the Fordo site.
00:48:51.980And so the Defense Threat Agency, the DTRA, has come in to say, all right, this is our assessment.
00:48:58.340And this has been briefed up to the Pentagon, and it remains to be seen whether or not this has been briefed directly to President Trump in these meetings,
00:49:05.460where there are serious questions as to whether or not these bunker buster bombs would have the ability to completely take out the facility at Fordo,
00:49:14.520because it is so deep, because it is within this mountain range south of Tehran there, because it was built for this express purpose.
00:49:22.160If it can penetrate all the way in, because the goal of the these bombs don't have a lot of explosive power.
00:49:27.920The bunker busters, what their goal is, they have a giant steel casing around them.
00:49:32.640That casing penetrates the bunker, or in this case, have to penetrate through solid rock to get all the way to the center of the mountain.
00:49:39.440And then the explosive charge itself actually isn't as large compared to some of the other ordinance out there.
00:49:43.900The entire goal being that it's got to get through. That's why the weight is so heavy.
00:49:48.680And that's why you need the B2 heavy bomber just to be able to carry and launch this thing.
00:49:53.060So they're putting up the assessment saying, hey, one bomb might not be enough.
00:49:56.140You might need multiples. We don't know how many strikes it would take.
00:49:59.440And even going beyond that, because there are so many levels on this thing, you might only be able to take out the first couple levels.
00:50:06.200The centrifuges down at the bottom might still be intact.
00:50:09.600And by the way, this is exactly why Bibi himself pointed out that you might need commandos to infiltrate this facility to take it out on a direct manned mission, similar to the bin Laden raid or something like that, where they would go in to ensure the destruction.
00:50:26.820Because if you don't destroy those centrifuges and the scientists and all the rest, because it's a dispersed program.
00:50:33.460And even though this is the largest site, they have other sites.
00:50:35.800The point being is you may only set them back a year.
00:50:38.980You might only set them back two years.
00:50:40.800And now you're finding yourselves in a shooting war with Iran, which may be, as we've said, this regime change goal that they've been trying to upsell all along.