Episode 4574： Speedrunning The Iraq War Propaganda Train; Investigate Fox News
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Greg and Sarah discuss the latest developments in the Iran situation, including a possible strike by the U.S. against Iran, and what it could mean for the Middle East. They also discuss the impact of the Israeli strikes in Iraq and Syria, and the implications for Iran.
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operating off of far more facts than we are. So at the end of the day, as Greg said,
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we elected him, we got to trust him, right? But the immediate issue is fertile. I mean,
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that's just it. So you don't have to go all the way. People talk about regime change,
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everything else. You just got to mitigate the immediate issue. If you do that, like I said,
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take the deal off the table. If you get rid of the immediate threat, well, then you bought some
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time. Now, ultimately, regime change is where this thing has to devolve to. At the end of the day,
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whether you like it or not, you have an adversary who cannot exist without that bomb. The mullahs
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cannot list long term without that bomb. They learn the lessons of Gaddafi. We need this thing.
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They're going to keep trying. That's the source to it. So you got this adversary. They say they want
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to kill you. They're trying to get the bomb. At the end of the day, at some point, they got to go.
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But you don't need that right now. You just got to mitigate the immediate problem, which is fertile.
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What I think he's doing is, and that's why I think you can see this two week window.
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The last thing he wants is any American blood here. And right now, the Iranians still do have
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some offensive capacity. They do have the ability to fire missiles, maybe hit some American assets,
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and in many ways, almost worst, almost worst, is hitting some of our adversaries, excuse me,
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some of our allies. You get some dead Europeans and et cetera in some place inside the red zone in Iraq.
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We got an international magilla. That's the last thing he wants. I think he's buying time,
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waiting till they are out of that capacity. And then, in my own opinion, I think that's when he moves.
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And then, ultimately, long term, if you notice, we hit their internal security. That's the besiege.
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That's the one who keep their people down. The Israelis took that out yesterday.
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They're also now hacking the media and saying, rise up, rise up, unlike what we saw during the Green Revolution.
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I think, long term, that's the second stage. But the first stage is fertile.
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And from where I sit, you've got to mitigate that. Well, I'm surprised you missed the line that
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B.B. stole from George W. Bush in his 2003 speech to a joint session of Congress.
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We must not allow the world's most dangerous regime to acquire the world's most dangerous weapons.
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B.B. just takes the same sheet of music out anytime he needs it for whatever country he happens to be
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angry at at the moment. And he's particularly concerned with Iran because it's the last one.
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He will have a clean sweep of the Levant, a clean sweep of all those who might oppose him in some way
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in Southwest Asia if Iran goes. And he can't do it by himself. In fact, I got videos this morning
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smuggled out of Israel showing me that Israel is being pummeled right now, pummeled in ways that
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B.B. Netanyahu probably never envisioned, and certainly the Israeli citizens of Israel didn't
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envision. So he's in a trick bag right now, and I think it's only going to deepen and get worse.
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So he needs the United States, desperately needs them, if he's going to complete this mission,
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which is almost messianic with him, to destroy this final regime in Southwest Asia called Iran.
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Yes, Sarah, these changes really do show how the U.S. military is making sure that it's not only ready
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to carry out military strikes against Iran if Donald Trump ultimately does decide to give that order,
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but preparing for the possibility of what would come after that should those strikes come to fruition.
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And we're told that military assets in the Middle East, across the region, and have been moved in
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anticipation of potential Iranian retaliation should Donald Trump ultimately give that go order.
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Obviously, we know that Donald Trump has said that he's going to make a decision on that move in the
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next two weeks, but the military is not waiting on the decision to making sure that it protects and
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takes steps to protect its assets across the Middle East. That includes moving airplanes that it can't
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protect in a shelter at its military base in Qatar. They've moved those planes to a different location.
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They've also moved naval assets from its base in Bahrain, which is also obviously in the relative
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proximity of certain Iranian proxy forces that we know have the capability of launching drones
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and ballistic missiles at U.S. forces. You may remember in January 2024, an Iranian proxy group
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killed three U.S. service members at a U.S. base on the border of Syria and Iraq. So that threat is very
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real. And these changes reflect how seriously the Pentagon is taking Iran's threat to target U.S. forces
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if Donald Trump does strike Iranian nuclear sites. We saw how difficult Iraq became, and we never really
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did conquer Iraq in the sense that we won over the people. Iran is going to be 10 or 15 times more
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difficult. They are far more capable than Iraq was, militarily speaking, and they have not been
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penetrated to the point where I would say they were weakened severely. So if you want assurance that
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you're going to eliminate a nuclear program that is so underground that even these B-2 bunker
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busters aren't going to do anything, think al-Ansar and the Houthis, if you will, not going to do a thing
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except rattle the rocks a little bit. If you want to assure that they do not have a program, you're going to
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have to invade and go root it out, lemon branch. And that's going to require 10 years? A battle with 90,000
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people, all of whom will be steeled against you? I have a war plan for the Zagoras Mountains and those
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tough terrains in Iraq. We were contemplating having to stop the Soviets in 1979 when they first went into
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Afghanistan and we thought they might make a run down to Chabahar and Bandar Abbas, something the
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Russian empire, Soviet empire too, had always wanted, a warm water port in the Gulf. Those are very
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difficult mountains to fight in, extremely difficult mountains to fight in. You want a really long war
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that will cost two or three trillion dollars, cost a lot of casualties on both sides, and not give you
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much more of a result than we got in Iraq? Try Iran. This is a huge strategic opportunity here that
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we haven't had in 45 years. We're talking about removing and ending Iran as being the number one
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adversary that has dominated the region in terms of instability. They've been at this for 45 years.
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And as you pointed out to our audience here, the history of killing Americans during that time frame
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is very significant, but their overall behavior. So as a result of diminishing this regime, taking
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away its nuclear capability, taking away much of its military capability, weaken it politically,
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isolating it for the first time, as we mentioned in the last hour. I mean, the proxies aren't helping
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them. Right. I mean, their allies aren't helping them. And China and Russia are not helping them.
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And they expected they funded Hezbollah, billions of dollars for one reason only. Yes, to do state
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sponsored terrorism. And they were the best at it in the business. But number two, and the primary
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reason was to defend Iran in the event of a war with Israel. And they haven't fired a shot. They lost
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the political will. So what that presents to us is our contribution here to end this. After all,
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this is Israel's war. Right. And we're going to help end it and end the domination of the Iranian
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regime. That is a paradigm shift that will reset the Middle East for years to come. And it will likely
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be a catalyst for what we want to see, which is normalization of the other countries in the region
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with Israel, the so-called Abraham Accords. That will put us on a pathway for that.
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What is a crippled Iranian government look like? It's what comes next if a crippled Iranian government
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falls. And as you talk to politicians in D.C., as I have, especially in the MAGA universe,
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that's their big concern. It's not that we can't get involved military with a pinpoint strike or even
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something more robust than that. It's what happens if that government falls and how much are we then
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invested in propping up a new government? Because that's the quagmire that happened in Iraq. It wasn't
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necessarily the three weeks of the military intervention. It was what we tried to build
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after the fact. So can you explain a little bit what might happen domestically in Iran if
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this government were to fall? So a chaotic post-war Iran would be a threat of its own.
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And you're right. The idea of the United States with its allies attempting nation building in that
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country from outside is crazy. I've been to Iran twice and I've seen the passion that Iranians that
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you meet have for a different kind of country. This clerical regime is not popular with people. So
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if that regime is crushed, if some kind of peace agreement is done in a way that gives
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more pragmatist elements in Iran more power. I mean, let's remember the entire IRGC military
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leadership has been wiped out. So if pragmatists, if the people who want a different country have
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more power and then take action, you'd have a more hopeful scenario. But no one should think that
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you can easily build on the rubble a country that's going to be stabilizing. It would be nice to think,
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you know, we think back to the absolute chaos that began October 7, the terrible loss of life across
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the region. It would be nice to think of that cycle coming to an end with a process of rebuilding
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across the region. I mean, that's a pipe dream, maybe. But, you know, if people are going to try to
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think big, that's that's the way they should think. And they should enlist people in Iran,
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Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank who have that belief in a different kind of region
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and will work hard, it'll take many years. But that's something worth all the misery that's come.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going
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medieval on these people. I got a free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people
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have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Friday, 20 June, Year of the Lord, 2025. I started today with two hitters, Jack Posovic and
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Sean Davis. Sean Davis, founder of The Federalist. Sean, we did a little bit longer cold open this
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morning because we wanted the audience's head to blow up to start the show. Your assessment of where
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we are now that you've heard all the talking heads and propagandists overnight dealing with
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President Trump saying, hey, we're going to take a deep breath here and think this thing through,
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Yeah, I was starting to get a little mad at all those clips because I thought,
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dang, I'm just getting dumber listening to this nonsense. But where we are now,
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it seems like everything's still super fluid. It feels to me as though the fever has broken
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a little bit. I'd say midweek, the war drums were being banged so loudly and people were getting
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so hysterical that it felt like the whole thing might fall apart any second. Thankfully, we have
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a president who's been through this stuff before. He's seen all the nonsense that was done with
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foreign policy in the early 2000s. I think he's patient. I think he would much rather talk than bomb
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or go to war. And so I think right now we're in a critical period where the president to me seems
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as though he wants to get a deal done. He wants something that doesn't require yet another war
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in the Middle East. And yet on the other side, I think we're going to have people and entities who
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are going to spend the next two weeks doing nothing but trying to blow up the possibility of any deal.
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Let me ask you about, because this is what's most disturbing. President Trump is very even-handed,
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thinks things through, is Jack Spasovic said yesterday so brilliantly, measure twice, cut once.
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But this whole drive, the war fever, the whole, and it's so, it's the playbook, it's the exact Iraq
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playbook. We go from, this is why I want you on, you had this tweet where you said we segued from,
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you know, having to stop the nuclear program to regime change. And you have all this loose talk
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on some of these networks and these pundits about regime change. We're talking about an ancient
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civilization, 90 million people, you know, something the Romans, you know, have fought the Persians
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for 2,000 years, right, to a draw. Just give me your thoughts there before we go to break. Your
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thoughts about this drive for regime change by the propagandist warmongers that are amongst us.
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Yeah, it's interesting, you know, before the Iraq war, we probably had a good year plus,
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you know, maybe 15 months, where they were beating the drums, they were building their case,
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it was new stuff every day, but it was a fairly, like, deliberate, long, drawn-out process.
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You know, I think it was a terrible idea in hindsight, but you had congressional approval for it.
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This right now feels like they're speedrunning the entire Iraq war propaganda campaign and trying
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to compress it into, like, a week and a half and are using social media to create a hysterical hype
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cycle. You know, so much of these mobs are obviously false, they're run by bots, and they're meant to
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create this sense of chaos and panic to force you into an emotional decision right now because they
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don't want to give you time to think about the ramifications of any decision you might make.
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And to me, this type of, like, increased tempo and pace in the propaganda suggests that they know
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they're in real trouble, that they know they have a problem, and you could see that in how angry they
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got yesterday when that two-week pause was announced because they had built up this hyper-frenzy campaign,
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Yeah. Sean, can you hang on for a second through the break? It got the great Jack Posobiec. Posobiec told us
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Sean Davis brings up a brilliant point, as he is often one to do, and that is, remember, in the Iraq war,
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they had, after 9-11, right, the Bush apparatus, Cheney apparatus, focused on this, focused on Iraq,
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to the detriment of really going after what the cause of this thing was. Maybe in Saudi Arabia,
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but I digress. A year and a half, they built up the PSYOP, coming out of Fox News, the PSYOP,
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every day with guys like, and Jack Keene is a good man, right, because he's got the CENTCOM mentality,
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right, that whole, just the way CENTCOM thinks. They're obsessed by this, right, and they're one of
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the, next to the CIA, I think the Federal Reserve, the CIA, and the, and CENTCOM are the three most
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important and powerful institutions in the imperial capital. It's really, that's really the home base
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with the CIA of the Praetorian Guard, right? The, it was a year and a half, Jack Posobiec,
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of a buildup. Here, they had to rush it. This is why there's been no justification. Why was it have
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to be last Thursday night? And remember, they had momentum, because they're up on Fox, hey,
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this is the greatest military victory. I think you can make a cogent argument, as Colonel Lawrence
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Wilkerson did, and Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson is, was Colin Powell's, I think, his military aid.
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That, you can make an argument, hang on, let's play this for a second. I want to play it,
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because I think you make an argument the Israelis may actually be losing right now,
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and they're looking for a bailout. Let's go ahead and play it.
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Well, I'm surprised you missed the line that Bibi stole from George W. Bush in his 2003 speech
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to a joint session of Congress. We must not allow the world's most dangerous regime to acquire the
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world's most dangerous weapons. Bibi just takes the same sheet of music out anytime he needs it for
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whatever country he happens to be angry at at the moment. And he's particularly concerned with Iran
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because it's the last one. He will have a clean sweep of the Levant, a clean sweep of all those who
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might oppose him in some way in Southwest Asia if Iran goes. And he can't do it by himself. In fact,
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I got videos this morning smuggled out of Israel showing me that Israel is being pummeled right
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now, pummeled in ways that Bibi Netanyahu probably never envisioned, and certainly the Israeli citizens
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of Israel didn't envision. So he's in a trick bag right now, and I think it's only going to deepen
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and get worse. So he needs the United States, desperately needs them, if he's going to complete
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this mission, which is almost messianic with him, to destroy this final regime in Southwest Asia called
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Iran. By the way, they have been on a roll in southern Syria with Hezbollah. Their defeat of Hezbollah
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is incredible, taking down the air defenses initially, what, 90 days ago or 60 days ago
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in Iran. What they've done, look, they've got to finish this Muslim Brotherhood of Mas. They're
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far from doing that in Gaza. But this is biting off more than you can treat. Here's my problem with
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it. It was always contingent. Their plan was always contingent in sucking the Americans in here
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into a combat position. And we're just not ready for that. We're not ready for it because it's
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like, what is the interest, what is the vital national security interest of the United States
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in getting involved in another war that's going to take 20 or 30 years to resolve? Jack Basovic,
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with your knowledge as a naval intelligence officer, is Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson correct?
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Did they bite off more than they can chew? Is Israel actually now looking for a bailout? Are they
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losing this war? Well, Steve, here's what's going on, and it comes down to basic capabilities. And you've got
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there's an order of battle mismatch here because while the Israelis did come in with a high
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technological advantage, and that has always been their advantage. If you go back to the Six-Day War
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in the 1960s, if you go back to any of these other recent skirmishes that we've seen and the conflicts
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between themselves, Hezbollah, Hamas, and others, taking the Golan Heights and being able to defend that
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against the Syrian army, it's always been the technological advantage. However, that technological
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advantage can be blunted, as we've seen just up to the north on the arc of instability, by what?
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Numbers. A war of attrition. That's what we saw between Ukraine and Russia, because we heard the
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same stuff in the very early days of Ukraine and Russia. They said Ukraine's got the technology,
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Ukraine's got the tech advantage, they got Starlink, they got the drones, they got everything out,
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Russia's going to collapse, Russia's going to slow down. So what did Russia switch to? Russia switched
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to a war of attrition. Now, we haven't seen that yet here, because this is an air war. What we are
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seeing is a war of air attrition. Look, the Iron Dome, as powerful as it is, and as great as it is,
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it was not designed for long-range, high-intensity, sustained warfare. It was built primarily for
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short-range, low-volume rocket attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah. That's usually what came out. The Iron
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Dome was not designed for full-scale, prolonged military campaigns. And that's why Israeli officials
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came out themselves to NBC yesterday and said, look, we were at 90% interception rate. Now we're
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down to 65%. And so these strikes that he's seeing, and I'm looking at when I check my feeds
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from Tel Aviv and other areas, you are now starting to see more and more Iranian ordinance making it
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through that Iron Dome net. And so it's helpful against small barrages. It has that defensive
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layer. But these interceptor missiles that Israel is shooting up, by the way, same issue that Ukraine
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had. The interceptor missiles are extremely expensive, and they are not unlimited. You're
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talking $50,000 to $100,000 each time one is fired. That doesn't even mean if it hits. When it's fired,
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if it malfunctions, when it goes off, $50,000 to $100,000. That's U.S. dollars. And so you're
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talking about an extremely expensive air net. And of course, they're doing that because they want to
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protect civilians. They want to protect infrastructure. Absolutely. But we're just
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talking about order of battle here. And so, yes, Iran's munitions, they're not as position-guided.
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They're ordnance. They're missiles. A lot of this is old material. There was a missile, one of the
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ballistics that landed. And there were some images circulating on social media yesterday. And you
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could see this thing was built in 1981, a Shahad III. This was a very old piece of ordinance. This
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was Cold War material. But from Iran's perspective, the only way that you can beat the Iron Dome and
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the way you can fight back against it is by overcoming it and overwhelming it and, again,
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draining those military resources and financial resources because of the great expense of the
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shoot-down interceptors that Israel is having to use. And this, of course, is what creates the sense
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of urgency. It's urgent for Israel to have someone come in and potentially knock the Iranians out
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through a regime change operation or get one of the bigger power players in to backfill them,
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to backfill the ammunition, because otherwise they're going to run out. They can't keep this up forever,
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Sean, this thing of sense of urgency and then the upsell to regime change,
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this has clearly been rejected by President Trump. He couldn't be more adamant about it.
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What are your thoughts on how this plays out going forward? Because obviously the Fox News
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propaganda crew wants regime change here. And they may feel that they took a licking yesterday,
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but they are far from finished. This is not the way Murdoch and these guys roll. They never give up.
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Well, you look at people like Bill Kristol. You look at what neocons have been pushing for a long time.
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It wasn't ever just about Iraq or just getting regime change in Libya or just getting regime
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change in Russia, which they were talking about like crazy people for years and using the Ukraine
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war as a proxy to take down the Russian regime as if somehow it would be replaced by anything better.
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Iran regime change is really the crown jewel. That's the thing they've been going after for a very,
00:24:54.760
very long time. And I'm not that old. I'm in my 40s. But basically my entire life we've been told
00:25:01.740
they're about to get a nuclear weapon. They're about to get a nuclear weapon. It's going to happen
00:25:05.400
tomorrow. It's going to happen tomorrow. It's been going on since the 80s or 90s. And so I think what
00:25:10.700
we're going to see is a massive ramp up that Iran's about to attack us. It's about to attack our allies.
00:25:19.340
If we don't do this now, we might get nuked, even though Iran doesn't have ballistic missile
00:25:23.740
capability coming at us. I think we are going to see so much emotionally extortive threats about
00:25:30.400
what could happen or what might happen if we don't do this thing right now. And we know this because
00:25:36.060
of just how quickly they went from, hey, Israel is going to take out this capability to, hey,
00:25:42.560
actually, we need to get rid of the regime there. And oh, by the way, we're going to need the U.S.
00:25:46.800
to help with it. They've run out of tricks, really, at this point. They went from zero to 100
00:25:52.300
in a matter of seconds. And once you get to that point, the only thing you can do past that is just
00:25:59.000
make completely emotional extortive threats. And I think we're going to see them go into overdrive
00:26:04.000
with that over the next two weeks as they likely try to upend any deal that we might be able to get
00:26:10.260
with the Iranians. Sean, where do people, you're the founder of The Federalist, and by the way,
00:26:17.780
it's a must-go-to site. Where do people go? Your social media is always something people should be
00:26:22.440
on because you're doing great analysis and observations throughout the day. Where do people
00:26:26.660
go to get you? Thank you. They can find me on X at Sean, M-D-A-V, S-E-A-N-M-D-A-V,
00:26:33.660
or they can find us and all of our great writers and reporters at thefederalist.com.
00:26:40.520
Incredible. Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate you.
00:26:44.020
Jack, can you stick around for a couple of minutes or you got to bounce?
00:26:49.300
Okay. We got the Jack. So I want to give a hat tip to Charlie Kirk, the great work. Charlie Kirk
00:26:54.680
has been doing the great work that Benny Johnson's been doing, so many other people,
00:26:58.700
just absolutely incredible, the podcasters. This is a team effort just to present facts.
00:27:05.560
Remember, we're a week ago. Think of where we were a week ago. A week ago, the chest beating,
00:27:11.700
the thumping, and I want to thank my Real America's Voice distribution partners and my crack team here.
00:27:18.020
I think we put a marker out. When we finished the cold open last Friday morning, what did we end
00:27:25.020
with? We ended with the shock and awe of 19 March of 2003 and also the march up to Baghdad when all
00:27:33.180
the people, you know, were beating their chest and this is going to be easy and what a victory.
00:27:37.640
What? We still have, what, 25,000, 30,000 troops that are now exposed to the Persians for counterattack.
00:27:43.960
When you deal in the Middle East, understand that history can come up and grab you. Okay.
00:27:52.060
It's unbelievable. The naivete. And quite frankly, the, um, it's almost criminal, criminal what is
00:28:01.060
going on. In fact, I think an investigation into like, what is the information Fox News is getting?
00:28:07.500
Is money changing hands? Are they, are they beginning ads? I mean, I would actually say
00:28:12.860
there, you know, a FARA investigation should take place of Fox News and it should take place of Fox
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And you know all the players involved. So I guess I got to ask you, I want to talk about that thing.
00:29:54.720
Should it matter that the mood of America, they voted for a guy who wanted to concentrate on America
00:30:00.580
first. We got the guy in, and now we're here almost participating in a war. How do you explain
00:30:07.160
that, say, to your MAGA friends, you know, the Tuckers and the Bannons, you know, or then you have
00:30:14.880
the other side, the Rubios and the Mike Waltzes. How do you, what do you say?
00:30:19.680
So I observed America first, up front and personal, in term one. And what I learned about President
00:30:25.380
Trump, he's a man of action, not words. He's not a Navelle Chamberlain. He is a Churchill. He is not
00:30:30.820
someone who sits in a beach chair and lets history happen to him. He makes history. He acts strategically.
00:30:36.420
He acts when it's in our interest. When he took out Soleimani, when he took out al-Baghdadi,
00:30:40.660
when he acted in Syria, when they used chemical weapons on their own people, every dictator in
00:30:45.740
the world observed that. And you know what happened? Putin, for the first time in four
00:30:49.520
presidencies, did not invade a sovereign country. The last and final year of his presidency, not a
00:30:55.140
single American troop died in Afghanistan. ISIS dismantled. He's not words, he is action.
00:31:03.920
How is Bannon and the folks that you mentioned and the people advocating for just sitting back and
00:31:08.900
taking it easy? How are they any different than Biden's foreign policy? Biden's foreign policy was,
00:31:14.180
I say don't, and Putin does. I say don't, and the Taliban takes over Afghanistan. I say don't,
00:31:21.120
and two global wars start on my watch. That is the Biden foreign policy. That is by no definition
00:31:27.080
America first. Iran has had five decades, five decades, almost half a century to talk. And what
00:31:32.620
they've done instead, kill 609 American troops in Iraq. What they've done is put an assassination plot
00:31:38.860
on President Trump's head. What they've done is take American hostages and wreak havoc
00:31:43.120
on the world. America first is not sitting in a beach chair and using words. It's taking decisive
00:31:48.420
action when we can take out Fordow with one swoop of an airplane.
00:31:54.020
With one swoop of an airplane. Of course, Kayleigh McEnany is infantile. Let's be blunt.
00:32:02.400
That right there is dangerous. That is dangerous. And that is on Fox all day long. I'm absolutely
00:32:07.580
serious. Why wouldn't, why, why do you not think that they're representing a foreign
00:32:12.040
government? Hannity, Levin, the whole crowd, there should be an investigation. Has there
00:32:18.180
been intelligence or, you know, are the guys taking ads? You see the AIPAC ads all the time
00:32:22.160
over there. I'm a supporter of Israel and I believe in Israel first to do what they think
00:32:28.560
is necessary. And they've done a pretty magnificent job recently with Hezbollah in Southern Syria.
00:32:34.460
I think even in Gaza, although it's, it should be done a lot quicker and get it over with.
00:32:40.900
But this is different scale. This is different level. And in history, scale matters. And this
00:32:47.920
was rushed. This was rushed to try to suck us into a military operation and get us entangled
00:32:54.140
in regime change. That is obvious. The urgency last week, which still hasn't been explained,
00:33:00.280
why they had to have a Pearl Harbor type attack last Thursday night and Friday morning, right?
00:33:05.980
As we said, what do we say on the show, Jack Posovic on Friday morning? We said this was just
00:33:11.380
not to get, it was obvious. It was just not to get the nuclear program. It was a decapitation
00:33:18.660
move at the highest military command. They were bragging about it. And that's fine. But if you're
00:33:23.940
going to do that, don't do it where you then got to upsell us for regime change or bring
00:33:28.020
us in to finish, do the coup de grace. If the coup de grace is needed by the United States
00:33:32.100
of America, you should discuss that. And the American people need to be prepared for that.
00:33:38.260
What did Lincoln say? If you have public opinion on your side, if you have the public's support,
00:33:44.780
you can do anything in this country. But to get the public support, you've got to be straight
00:33:49.120
with the public. We were dealt from the bottom of the deck in Iraq. And I might note, Kayleigh
00:33:54.260
McEnany, if you learned your history, Iraq today is, I don't know, 50% Jack controlled
00:33:59.840
by Persia for the simple reason is that the buffoons over at Fox that dangerously promoted
00:34:05.460
into the Iraq war, right, had not thought it through. So Jack, where are we? And look, Israel,
00:34:12.220
we have a special relationship, which I unfortunately think is being broken right now by the way the
00:34:17.180
Netanyahu government is dealing with us. But that special relationship is they have air
00:34:23.580
supremacy over Persia right now. But if you look at the hits they're taking, you've got
00:34:28.460
to ask the question, and they're running out of ammunition, which they're going to need
00:34:31.760
us to do. They're running out of the refueling operations. They're going to need us to do.
00:34:35.740
We're already engaged as a combatant, okay? Let's be blunt. We're already engaged as a combatant.
00:34:40.600
Now they want to bring us into air operations. As Hugo Lowell walked you through yesterday,
00:34:47.560
it's not one swoop. Her words at the end are damning. Oh, it's just one swoop. Get off your
00:34:53.180
beach chair. Just one swoop. Well, lady, guess what? The guys in the beach chairs right now are
00:34:59.520
advising President Trump, think this through. You're the commander in chief. We will support you.
00:35:06.240
Obviously, your MAGA base, not Fox and the Murdochs that dumped him in 2021 and try to get,
00:35:12.520
you know, Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley and Yunkin and all that crowd, right? The neocon crowd,
00:35:19.000
promote him over President Trump, try to crush President Trump. Murdoch, try to make him a
00:35:23.040
non-person. Those are Murdoch's words, not mine. So your rush here to basically jam the president of the
00:35:30.880
United States and to jam the United States of America into a situation where we had to deliver
00:35:36.460
the coup de grace on a military operation you initiated does not wash with the American people,
00:35:43.100
does not wash with MAGA. And I will tell you, I think the odds are now, hopefully, that the
00:35:49.280
president thinks through and looks at other diplomatic and economic warfare possibilities
00:35:54.120
to deal with the situation. Jack Bosovic. Yeah, Steve, I mean, there's just massive category
00:36:01.460
errors there. Talking about trying to compare this to ISIS. ISIS didn't have a navy. ISIS didn't have
00:36:06.360
a ballistic missile force. ISIS didn't have any of these assets. ISIS didn't have control of 20 percent
00:36:12.600
of the world's oil going in and out of the Strait of Hormuz. ISIS didn't have any of these things.
00:36:17.180
So just massive category errors there. One is a sovereign government and the other one is a terrorist
00:36:23.660
group. So these are these are wildly different things. And to compare them as the same, it's it's
00:36:28.820
it's just it's just someone who, you know, really, really needs to go back and hit the books. And
00:36:33.320
when you look at also and say, wait a minute, the one line that just sticks at me, Steve, is say,
00:36:38.520
wait a minute, this is Joe Biden's foreign policy. Joe Biden was not an isolationist. Joe Biden launched
00:36:42.800
a proxy war against Russia. Let's not mince words. There is a proxy war against Russia that Joe Biden
00:36:48.780
initiated through his proxies in Ukraine that Fox News was cheerleading for. And all the cheerleaders
00:36:55.200
with the the blow dried hair and the makeup and everyone else on Fox News when they were cheerleading
00:37:00.640
for that. And Tucker Carlson, by the way, got fired over speaking out against the war in Ukraine to
00:37:06.740
say, hey, wait a minute. This isn't a great idea. We've got real issues here. They've got real number
00:37:11.840
issues. They've got armament issues. Maybe we should try to find a way to end this diplomatically.
00:37:16.360
Where is that going right now? How's that going right now? When when they did the last troop
00:37:20.960
exchange, the last troop exchange and and Russia turned over 6000 bodies and Ukraine turned over
00:37:28.260
70. All right. That's the numbers of ratio right there. How many people got to die? How many men
00:37:33.120
got to die? How many boys got Christian European men? How many Christians do you want dead? Because
00:37:39.260
that's what happens in every single Middle East war, too. By the way, the Christians always get
00:37:42.340
slaughtered by one side or the other. Right. All these areas used to be Christian.
00:37:46.060
They're all slaughtered. They say, oh, we pray for him. We pray for him. Or you could
00:37:49.620
maybe not start a war and get them all killed. So you've got a proxy war right now that is
00:37:53.940
still unfinished. Not not too far, relatively speaking, to the north of Iran between Ukraine
00:38:00.600
and Russia that all of Fox News was cheerleading. And what we just we don't talk about that
00:38:05.500
anymore. We don't have any conversation about that whatsoever. Putin's up there. He's
00:38:08.940
saying, wait a minute. You know why? You know why? You know why? China's trying to come
00:38:12.600
in. The same crew. Levin, Levin, Hannity, Cruz, Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham's over there
00:38:18.860
for the assault. The same exact crew, the same exact crew with the blood on their hands
00:38:23.640
of two million. Let me be blunt. Two million Ukrainians and Russians. A million Russians.
00:38:31.160
Christians. Dead or wounded. A million Ukrainians dead and wounded. And here's the point. On this
00:38:36.960
show, as you know, from the very beginning with talking about Professor Mersheimer, they
00:38:42.140
were leading the Ukrainians into a destructive war. It's like where when the catastrophic
00:38:46.420
nature of that conflict is revolting. Who cheerleaded that? And where are they now? Are they
00:38:52.900
cheerleading? No, because they understand the American people are revolting what's happening.
00:38:57.360
They want a new proxy war before they even finish the last one.
00:38:59.840
Exactly. It's revolting. And the one man, the one man on Fox News who wasn't cheerleading,
00:39:06.640
they fired him. Got rid of him. Right? Got rid of him. Talk to me about also Charlie's
00:39:13.520
being attacked. It's just truth. But Charlie's being attacked because he used the analogy of
00:39:17.940
the Persians and the Romans, sir? It's true. Look, look, you've got a Western power. Think
00:39:24.700
of it, right? You would say, oh, that's, that's, you know, they're saying, oh, Charlie said
00:39:27.580
the Romans couldn't even beat the Persians, right? Well, understand when, when Rome and
00:39:31.480
Persia were fighting, that's because that was an expeditionary operation of Rome, a Western
00:39:36.860
power based, as we know, of course, in Italy was fighting Persia. So there were two massive
00:39:42.160
wars between Rome and Persia. You sit there and say, oh, well, that's, that's no, the geography
00:39:46.680
hasn't changed. The lift hasn't changed. You still have to lift troops and material and sources.
00:39:52.160
You need all of this. So you need your supply lines. So you have to carry out those
00:39:57.320
sustained supply lines, just like we're seeing this air bridge that's being built right now,
00:40:01.100
right in front of our eyes, if you go look at the map. So that's all being done. And the Persians,
00:40:05.540
what do they do? They hunkered down and they kept fighting. They kept fighting. They kept fighting.
00:40:09.220
They kept fighting. And what did it do? What did it do? It sapped the strength of both Persia and the
00:40:15.620
Western Roman Empire. So the Roman Empire splits to West and East Byzantium, goes on for much longer.
00:40:19.980
And then the Persian Empire collapses also internally. And what did that give rise to?
00:40:24.880
Oh, right. The Islamic Caliphate was able to sweep in under Muhammad and the Arab armies and the Muslim
00:40:31.640
armies. They took the entire peninsula. They took all of Persia. And then they sweeped all the way
00:40:35.800
through and it created the Ottoman Caliphate. So all of this was done because they were able to break
00:40:42.380
out because you weakened the empire by overstretch by putting foreign interests ahead of your domestic
00:40:49.360
agenda, the domestic agenda of your internal core populace. And so if you think that there aren't any
00:40:56.900
analogies that we can learn from that history and we should just shut up and stop reading those history
00:41:01.480
books and telling Charlie Kirk to stop worrying about it, I would say I think Charlie Kirk is dead spot
00:41:06.680
on. Dead spot on. Jack, also today it's pretty obvious. President Trump has pivoted back to what
00:41:14.860
his interest really should be. The mass deportations, huge win in the courts, right, that President Trump's
00:41:20.680
taking advantage of. But also the big, beautiful bill. He understands he's got a lift here. It's a
00:41:26.260
heavy lift because there's a huge gap between the bid and the ask here to get a bill for him to sign on
00:41:32.240
July 4th. Talk to me about where the president's head looks like, at least on True Social and other
00:41:37.600
messaging we're seeing coming out this morning. He's back to business, is he not?
00:41:42.400
Well, President Trump knows. Look, this big, beautiful bill and the drumbeats were not beating
00:41:46.440
for war. They were beating for this bill just one week ago, about one week prior to last Thursday.
00:41:51.900
And that bill looked like it was working its way through. And Stephen Miller was up there on Capitol
00:41:56.020
Hill and he was working hard on it and getting in a lot of debates with some of the senators and the
00:42:00.560
holdouts, etc. But you need 50. So you need 50 plus one if you get J.D. in there. And that's
00:42:05.720
able to be enough to get this across. You only need a simple majority because of the way that
00:42:09.040
they're doing this. You want your deportations. And look, I've said day in and day out, support
00:42:13.540
your local ICE raids. That's where America's first focused is. That's President Trump's number one
00:42:21.260
issue. And by the way, Kayleigh McEnany said that just a few nights ago. This is the number one issue
00:42:25.620
for American voters, for Trump supporters. And it's his most broad support is on that issue as
00:42:31.800
well. And Kayleigh, I applaud you for saying that. I think she was exactly correct when she said that,
00:42:36.140
that that's President Trump's number one issue. That's what swept him into office. And that's
00:42:40.640
what he's been fighting very hard to get across the finish line. Number one, with the ICE raids that
00:42:44.740
have been going on, fantastic ICE raids, Los Angeles, huge ICE raids. I love the videos coming out of
00:42:50.400
there. I can't get enough of them, Steve. We got to set up a whole, you know, maybe a whole
00:42:54.600
couple hours here on Real America's Voice where we just show the footage of the ICE raids. Maybe
00:42:58.720
we get Ben Berkwam to narrate or something. And that, you know, maybe in bed with those guys,
00:43:02.520
Oscar Ramirez. But then you got the big, beautiful bill that if you want to see these expanded,
00:43:07.220
boom, you hit the bill. Now they get the funding to do it nationwide. It's incredible. That's what
00:43:11.520
President Trump's core focus has always been. Jack, where do people go? Social media, the show,
00:43:18.380
all of it. Human events daily will be up at 2 p.m. today. We're going to be walking
00:43:24.580
through all of this, the play-by-play. We're going to have footage of these strikes hitting
00:43:29.120
Iran, hitting Tel Aviv, hitting Haifa, places where a lot of people said that it wasn't going
00:43:34.480
to come back to the backfield. But this situation, unfortunately, needs a dealmaker-in-chief
00:43:41.820
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Um, now that the president has set the course that let's think this through, as he thinks through
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actually Haley McEnany's, it's just one swoop. It's just one swoop. It's just a swoop. That's
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all. It's just a swoop. Get off your beach chair. Let's have a swoop. That type of infantile
00:45:23.900
cheerleading is what led to Section 60 over in Arlington National Cemetery. Yeah.
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Remember Bill Kristol? They're going to throw, remember that? They're going to throw roses.
00:45:37.380
They're going to throw roses in the streets to, to, to welcome the American troops. That was
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So we're going to have David Drucker is going to join us to talk about something important,
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