On this episode of The War Room, Stephen and Jon talk about the end of the 12-day war, the election of a Muslim-American presidential candidate in New York City, and what it means for the future of the country.
00:02:37.000And immediately when I saw that, I was like, hmm, yes, I've seen that image somewhere before.
00:02:41.000And that image happened to be on the front cover of my book from 2016 called No Go Zones, how Sharia is coming to a neighborhood near you.
00:02:52.000And New York City did not take one step towards it yesterday.
00:02:57.000And, you know, I would like to get into the man more because I think a fascinating character and a fascinating telltale story about how not to do mass migration.
00:03:14.000This guy has been here since I think 1999, but only got citizenship in 2018 when he figured that he wanted to run for something.
00:03:27.000This guy belongs to a group of Muslims called the Twelvers who believe that to this day there is a 1,200-year-old living prophet on earth who is in hiding and is going to come out at some point soon and proselytize Islam the world over.
00:03:49.000And I've yet to hear any reporters on the campaign trail in New York put these questions to him and say, hey, you know, do you really – are you from this?
00:04:14.880And Steve, I know you don't believe in ChatGPT or anything like that, but I actually asked ChatGPT this morning about this to see what it had to say.
00:04:25.600And it replied, this is textbook Red-Green Alliance, the fusion of hard-left revolutionaries and Islamist movements.
00:04:35.160Not shared values, but a shared enemy.
00:04:37.700Western liberal democracy, nationalism, Christianity, capitalism, and the traditional family.
00:04:43.100The red side wants to dismantle systems of capitalism and Western power.
00:04:46.540The green side wants to replace them with Islamic governance and moral codes.
00:04:50.100Together they agree on the destruction of the existing order, even if they violently disagree on what should come after.
00:04:56.520And I think if woke AI is coming out with that, then it's incumbent on this message to reach every single New Yorker, to reject this man, to reject what he stands for.
00:05:06.820And I have to tell you, am I surprised?
00:05:13.900I mean, there have been forerunners on this stuff for decades and decades.
00:05:17.920You know, the Robert Spencers of the world, Melanie Phillips of the world, Daniel Pipes, all of these guys who kind of I came up with talking about these crystal engines.
00:06:07.840I mean, naturally, you know, increasingly, as President Trump showed, black and Hispanic Americans kind of want nothing to do with hardline, left wing, woke and Marxist revolutionary politics, right?
00:06:26.080Like Hispanics have been fleeing that for decades on decades now.
00:06:29.480Black people in America have been voting for it and living with it in major American cities run by Democrats for decades now and got nothing to show for it.
00:06:44.280It didn't get across right back in 2020 necessarily, but it got across this time, right?
00:06:49.220And remember, this time, this election around, this last election around, you didn't have the mass mail-in ballots and, you know, the ballot harvesting situation that we had during COVID.
00:07:00.420So the will of the people was actually more fairly represented in this election.
00:07:04.900And you could see it, especially in Hispanic and black communities.
00:07:07.820But, of course, it's the white progressive liberals in a place like New York City.
00:07:12.200Of course, it's the ethno-nationalist, you know, South Asian and Middle Eastern communities who want Mamdani to run as if it's a referendum on Gaza, right?
00:07:24.160In midtown Manhattan, in the West Village, in Staten Island, in Long Island, a referendum on Gaza is what's taking place now for these people.
00:07:34.140And if you think you're going to get good governance, I saw somebody else send a tweet.
00:07:39.680It said, you know, the thing is, Mamdani has claimed that he's going to bring down prices in New York because prices are out of control.
00:07:45.660Average apartment size is out of control.
00:07:47.660You know, 300 square foot for $6,000 a month kind of thing.
00:07:51.120He's talking about rent control, grocery stores owned by the government, all of these Caracas-style policies that have failed the world over time and time again.
00:08:00.040But somebody said the funny thing is he will bring prices down.
00:08:03.020Once everyone leaves, there will be no demand and prices will come down.
00:08:11.120How is this to be stopped by the Eric Adams?
00:08:20.660I think he's more of a communist, not saying, hey, his communist take is any worse than his socialist take.
00:08:28.280But this is the red-green alliance, radical jihad with almost communist economic policy.
00:08:35.000Is Eric Adams – because Cuomo is talking about running as an independent.
00:08:38.660You know, Cuomo got powdered last night.
00:08:41.040Eric Adams didn't even run the Democratic primary.
00:08:43.600Is it an Eric Adams or a Cuomo that can beat this guy?
00:08:46.060Yeah, I mean, you know, and it's a weird situation because then, of course, you've got – you know, you've got a Republican apparatus and a conservative apparatus up there who will not feel necessarily comfortable about voting for somebody like Cuomo or even Adams to keep Mamdani out.
00:09:04.120But then, you know, what are you going to – and no offense.
00:09:06.020Like, I love Curtis Lee, but he is the absolute man.
00:09:08.540But what are you going to do in that situation when you know necessarily that ain't going to be a winning vote that you're casting?
00:09:15.480Do you stay true to voting your principal party, your candidate, or do you do this thing?
00:09:21.420Well, because, hey, listen, it's very clear what Mamdani is doing.
00:09:24.060He's put together this unholy alliance, right?
00:09:26.780I mean, he's going out there on the one hand saying he's a 12-er Muslim.
00:09:30.480On the other hand, he's saying he's for LGBT rights.
00:09:33.020I mean, firstly, the funny thing about 12-erism is they allow for no abrogation.
00:09:39.260You cannot pick and choose from the Koran if you identify as one of these guys.
00:09:43.860And so he's coming along going, no, I can't pick and choose.
00:09:45.820So, you know, me personally, if I was running a campaign against him, I would drive this wedge through his campaign over and over and over again to say, you know, to say, hey, look, the progressives and the liberals and the crazies,
00:10:00.180the white progressives in New York who are voting for this guy because you think he believes in trans rights, you know, his guy is a 12-er Muslim.
00:10:08.880And so the 12-er Muslims and these Asians around him are voting for him to say to them, hey, wait a minute, this is shirk.
00:10:31.580This guy, it's a very sophisticated data.
00:10:34.720He had, I think he sent, somebody told me he sent mailers out in 24 separate languages.
00:10:40.200You know, you invite the third world, you're going to be the third world.
00:10:42.960This is what's showing you 20, almost 25 years after 9-11.
00:10:47.320And I know, Raheem, you're very close to the charities and all the good work people are still doing in memory of 9-11 and the victims in the city.
00:10:54.82025 years after 9-11, you're going to elect New York City put up, in a Democratic primary, used to be the working class of New York City, put up the Red-Green Alliance, a radical Muslim with a socialist.
00:11:11.120Raheem, before I let you go, also, this has national implications, obviously, but go back to the press conference.
00:11:19.440President Trump dropped a couple of bombshells on Ukraine.
00:11:22.200And, folks, remember, before Fox News and Tel Aviv Levin and that crowd were promoting Israel first, they were promoting Ukraine first.
00:11:34.040Remember, one of the reasons we're in this war at the level we're in it is the port of Fox News until we broke their back on that vote on Ukraine funding and McConnell stepped down.
00:11:45.040The president's actually said a couple of things on Ukraine I thought were pretty surprising, particularly about Patriot missiles, sir.
00:11:50.580Well, I mean, you know, he has to be he has to be a bit noncommittal with this stuff, but at the same time show, you know, he's at NATO at the end of the day.
00:12:01.540Right. And he has to show that there is a at least a willingness for the United States to listen to these pleas, to listen to these questions.
00:12:09.660By the way, it's it's not just a plea. It's it's an offer. Right.
00:12:12.680They're offering to buy them. They're asking for them for free anymore.
00:12:15.600I I'm extremely frustrated. I know, you know, President Trump was speaking with President Putin the other day and Putin asked him, you know, do you need help with Iran?
00:12:24.020He says, no, I don't need help with Iran. I need help with you.
00:12:25.840He's extremely frustrated about the lack of movement on any on either side in the Ukraine, Russia thing.
00:12:34.420But I think at the same time, he knows that if you start arming up Ukraine again in the same fashion that Biden was pouring bad money off to bad and sending more America.
00:12:45.000You know, there is a finite number of these weapons systems, by the way, and the munitions, by the way, these are not infinite.
00:12:50.380You can't just pump these things out willy nilly. And he knows that he he has to kind of talk that talk right now.
00:12:58.680And because, look, Putin's watching this. Right. And he's like, OK, well, if he's not going to sell them anything, then we can we can pretty much keep going the way we're going.
00:13:06.820This is way more difficult, I think, than most people realized at the outset.
00:13:10.880So I have a great level of sympathy towards him and I share his frustration.
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00:17:28.300That obviously got my ears up because earlier on in the press conference, Steve, he said – he confirmed to one of the journalist's questions that it was sarcasm.
00:17:43.340He said, of course, it was sarcasm when he said he would end this war within the first 24 hours.
00:17:50.460Look, I like to think, Steve, I'm a relatively astute observer of international affairs.
00:17:57.860I'm not always right, but I do give these things a lot of attention.
00:18:02.120I spend about 14 hours a day reading some, I don't know, 800,000, 900,000 articles a day of everything around the world.
00:18:25.500I did not take those statements in the election campaign as sarcasm.
00:18:30.700I took those as a serious declaration of intent as what he would do.
00:18:35.360He even said at some point that he was going to end the war before he was inaugurated.
00:18:40.760It was a period between the November elections and the inauguration.
00:18:44.640I did not take that comment as sarcasm.
00:18:47.640And I know a lot of people, because I read all of the comments posted on Getter, Steve, I know a lot of people who voted for him didn't take that as sarcasm.
00:18:55.660So when he says that he's going to be supplying U.S. Patriot missiles to Zelensky, and Zelensky pays himself, that there's no way to see that other than as at least a rhetorical escalation.
00:19:15.180That's not attacking President Trump remotely.
00:19:17.460That's just simply, I think, an objective reading of what he is.
00:19:21.960Whether he follows through, of course, and supplies, because we are in the fog of war, whether he follows through and supplies those missiles to Zelensky or not is an open.
00:19:32.560I think you've got to put it in the perspective of you've got, he said 7,000 Ukrainians died last week.
00:19:41.180The Russians have not really stopped their offensive.
00:19:43.100He's trying to negotiate with Putin and trying to get a Russian rapprochement.
00:19:47.400You know, I'm not crazy about the Patriot missiles to Ukraine.
00:19:50.160I want to disengage as quickly as possible.
00:19:51.820However, I think he's telling you, just like he shut down the 12-day war, there may be some things he has to do that the MAGA base and other people that want more disengagement, more focus here, he's going to have to do to bring it to a conclusion.
00:20:49.160I follow these things very, very closely, especially every taking place in the MAGA world.
00:20:55.620And I've never seen this movement as people dissenting publicly from the president on this issue.
00:21:04.020I think it will be to be evaluated at some future stage whether the dissent in MAGA world, especially within that faction of MAGA world, which is America first, of people coming out who've never whispered a word against the president before, coming out very forcefully, criticising him for this bombardment.
00:21:26.180And it will take a future evaluation to see whether whether it was whether it was worth it.
00:22:36.300I realize a lot of people are upset about the bombing itself.
00:22:39.600But, you know, President Trump's adamant.
00:22:42.440And I think it's more important than ever to have his back about this because he doesn't want to be dragging this thing anymore.
00:22:46.600However, Sam, and you wrote a brilliant piece or took a first cut at it on on your sub stack, the Ann magazine sub stack, the Washington Post.
00:22:56.620And if Denver can put this up, the Washington Post.
00:23:00.620Has can be nothing less than a brutal story, investigative report.
00:23:03.920And it's looks like it's pretty well reported because it got a lot of quotes in there from a lot of people, principally in Jerusalem or associated with Israel.
00:23:11.900So and and this gets to why the the the briefings by DNI and CIA were canceled yesterday.
00:23:21.040I don't believe they were canceled because of the bomb damage assessment.
00:23:24.540I think they were canceled because CIA does not have a good answer for the question that this article poses.
00:23:31.180Now, the headline of this article is Netanyahu decided on Iran war last year, then sought to recruit Trump.
00:23:37.640And what it goes through is and by the way, if you're an Israel first guy like Tel Aviv Levin and the crowded Fox, this makes perfect sense.
00:23:47.660And we're a big believer, not just in Israel, but Israel should do what's in its own best interest for its national defense and its national security.
00:23:54.740And it's been running the tables lately.
00:23:56.280But, Sam, it gets down to that crucial moment last Thursday with 10 days ago when, you know, they came in with intelligence, CIA and I think Mossad that said there was a breakout moment coming and they had to go and they had to bomb.
00:24:11.400This article certainly doesn't point to that, does it, sir?
00:24:17.600And that doesn't mean that I'm, you know, I agree with you.
00:24:19.840It seems to be a well-researched article.
00:24:22.420I don't, certainly not the case always with The Washington Post.
00:24:27.140But, look, I think it raises a lot of good questions and it's disturbing and we need answers to that.
00:24:31.800I think we need answers in general to what the heck just happened.
00:24:36.120The president of the United States, commander in chief, he doesn't get to just hit the pause button and take all the time he needs to sort everything out, right?
00:24:43.860You've got to, you understand this as, I haven't been a military officer, I understand it.
00:25:03.060Now I think we really need to walk through this and say, okay, wait, there's a whole bunch of questions here as I put in my article that we put out today.
00:25:12.160I mean, let's start with Fordow, this obsession with we've got to go in, we've got to bomb Fordow, we're the only guys that can do it.
00:25:20.660Well, not to get lost in the weeds of how you build a nuclear weapon, but that enrichment facility at Fordow is not, that's not the whole Iranian nuclear program.
00:25:30.580If they were actually about two weeks from having an operational nuke, actually having, it's unclear how many, nine to 15, according to the Israeli.
00:25:39.160All right, well, they got everything they needed out of Fordow a long time ago because that's enriched uranium gas.
00:25:45.720Then you've got to turn it into metal.
00:26:30.440And has there been bomb damage assessment there?
00:26:32.900There's just a, and you know, there's a lot of questions like that here to say, wait a second.
00:26:38.800And, you know, my opinion on this, the fact that we are relying so much on intelligence from a foreign country, even a close ally, leaves me feeling really, really uncomfortable.
00:26:51.320That's, that's not how this should go.
00:26:53.660The president needs his own intelligence from our sources.
00:27:24.800I don't think that could be more definitive.
00:27:26.360And I know for the Tel Aviv Levin crowd and all the, uh, all the, uh, the, um, people that represent a foreign government or speak for a foreign government or cheerleaders for a foreign government over at Fox, I know that's going to break your heart.
00:27:41.180All the regime change and people went boots on the ground.
00:27:43.500President Trump couldn't be harder, but Sam, I'll come back to you.
00:28:03.780And this is why we're calling for whatever information the CIA has in the Mossad has to be put forward about exactly what this breakout moment was short commercial break.
00:28:14.900We're going to be back in the war room in just a moment.
00:28:17.980There's something happening with our farmland here in the United States that isn't getting enough attention.
00:28:32.220The Chinese have been buying up hundreds of thousands of acres of U.S. farmland.
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00:31:41.540Yeah, there is the issue, as you've pointed out from the beginning of, depending on which Israeli is speaking at what time, how immediate this threat is seems to bounce all over the place from 12, you know, from two weeks to a year.
00:31:56.180But, yeah, the Washington Post article clearly says that this is a lie.
00:32:02.880What the Washington Post article says to me is we got played.
00:32:10.520But that basically the Israelis ran the game on us.
00:32:14.000And the answer to this, I know I'm the broken record, the answer to this is you don't have a president who's left in the position where he doesn't have his own intelligence people telling him what is real, like, that he can count on.
00:32:28.820So if the Israelis come and tell us something and it's not accurate, he can nod and smile and do whatever he wants, but he knows, yeah, look, man, I got better intelligence than you.
00:32:39.820I know that you're playing with me and I'm not going to react.
00:32:43.540Or if there really is a threat, you know what the real answer is?
00:32:46.460The CIA should have come to him before Netanyahu ever got to him and said, we got to act.
00:32:52.860But one way or the other, we got to have our own sources and our own people.
00:32:55.960We cannot let a foreign nation, no matter how close an ally, tell us what to do and lead us around.
00:33:05.140Supposedly the CIA, and I think this is why they didn't go to Capitol Hill, because they don't have this story right now.
00:33:11.380I think the CIA and Ratcliffe may have agreed or put that in front of the president.
00:36:40.960His other objective was the ballistic missiles.
00:36:43.340The United States, from the beginning, stepped in here while they were taking them out to defend Israel, the state of Israel and the people of Israel.
00:37:19.100First off, I think there was a level of coordination heading up to the end of the 60-day period of negotiations, and Israel struck the very next day.
00:37:29.460And from the Israeli perspective, they were marching towards war in all likelihood because sequentially they had negated the missile threat.
00:37:40.560They got really from Gaza, and then, you know, next step was, you know, Hezbollah with their 150,000 rockets, and then, you know, the Houthis.
00:37:50.860And, you know, Iran has always relied on those.
00:37:53.560And during that whole process, you know, when Iran fired, they, you know, had a retaliation, and the Israelis took out, you know, the whole air defense system in reality for Iran.
00:38:07.340So, you know, from a defensive perspective, it made the threat to them, you know, much more limited, and then they could really focus on Iran.
00:38:18.140And, you know, from the Iranian perspective, you know, you know, they have a lot of capabilities, hypersonic, ballistic missiles.
00:38:40.100And that came from, you know, Aegis cruisers off the coast.
00:38:43.880It came from our relocating THAAD, Theater Air Ballistic Missile Defense.
00:38:49.000It came from the layered capabilities that we had, you know, in the Gulf and, you know, elsewhere that could support.
00:38:56.380And then for the drones, our Air Force actually, you know, provided, you know, a lot of shoot-down capability.
00:39:02.680And we helped coordinate, you know, the ability to fly and counter these threats, you know, over, you know, airspace between Iran and Israel.
00:39:13.020But they could not have defended themselves without the support of the United States and the permissions given.
00:39:21.180And secondly, you know, if you're looking at it from Iran's perspective, you know, you only had one really array coming in to Israel, you know, from Iranian territory, which made it easier to target.
00:39:35.340If they would have had to, you know, defend against, you know, Hezbollah and the Houthis and Gaza, it would have been, you know, overwhelming for them.
00:39:43.820And so that's a lesson learned, that it's not just the nuke, as you mentioned, Steve.
00:39:48.040They have to be able to defend in the future against, you know, these missiles, which will be rebuilt.
00:39:54.740These capabilities will in all likelihood, you know, be expanded and rebuilt.
00:39:59.760And they're going to learn lessons in Tehran about how to prepare for the next time.
00:40:05.340But here, and there probably will be a next time, but here's the point of, and we believe in Israel first.
00:40:14.720We think American citizens ought to be pushing America first.
00:40:19.400And you don't see that at Fox News, and particularly you don't see that with Tel Aviv live in, in that crowd.
00:41:05.880But that in starting the initiative, in the sense of urgency, that they didn't have the capability, and it wouldn't really even seem as a priority to take out the nuclear weapons.
00:41:38.860And it's looking worse because we don't have, I mean, we're kind of running out of equipment too, are we not, Derek, to a degree?
00:41:44.380Well, I think from a geostrategic perspective, you know, one of the issues for us has been, you know, being entangled in the Middle East and it inhibiting our ability to shift, you know, in many ways to the threat from China.
00:42:02.820And, you know, the outcome of this conflict, you know, is going to keep us entangled in the region.
00:42:08.240You know, the near-term threat's not going to be as much from Iran.
00:42:11.220You know, they've been, you know, brutalized through this campaign.
00:42:13.380But, you know, as you mentioned, they're probably going to come back, you know, unless there's, you know, interim agreements that, you know, address some of these issues, the nuclear, you know, the ballistic missiles and the proxy war.
00:42:25.700But Iran is more isolated than it has been.
00:42:28.160They found that both China and Russia weren't either able or willing to step in.
00:42:32.880And their allies, you know, Hezbollah and Lebanon, that's, I think they've been, you know, isolated in Lebanon.
00:42:39.380And, you know, they're surrounded by, you know, a Syrian regime that no longer, you know, works with them and is a conduit for Iran.
00:42:46.220So from an Israeli geostrategic perspective, it's looking much better.
00:42:50.300And from Iran's perspective, it's not looking good.
00:42:53.200But I go back to getting to your point, the quality of intelligence, the objectivity of the intelligence and the reliability of it.
00:43:02.380And is the, you know, intelligence getting to the president?
00:43:10.360You know, we are in many ways overly dependent on Israel for access and understanding what's going on.
00:43:23.240You know, a lot of our capabilities would be, Sam Faddis mentioned, we do have to rely on a team B, team A, I think more.
00:43:30.980And there has been doubt about the reliability of the intelligence coming out of the, you know, the agencies, especially the national intelligence estimates, not just on this Iran estimate, but on the Venezuelan CDA assessment that said there's no collaboration.
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00:45:30.380Just give me again what you were saying towards the end of your hit.
00:45:33.960Well, it is not a good thing for the United States and for our decision makers to be over-reliant, overly reliant on, you know, a partner.
00:45:42.360An ally, whether it's the U.K. or Israel, for really deep understanding about what's going on in threat countries.
00:45:50.020And, unfortunately, you know, the Israelis, you know, have the dominant position and they have extreme penetration of, you know, the region.
00:45:59.880And you can't rely on technical collection, you know, whether it's SIGINT or cyber or other things, unless it is really enabled by, you know, superb outstanding human intelligence that allows you that penetration.
00:46:14.480And, you know, just from a collection perspective, you know, we are overly reliant because we do not invest in human in a way that, you know, protects our own interests and makes sure that we've got a way of, you know, checking on what's going on.
00:46:29.800So that's one big issue, along with some of the other things that, you know, Sam and you've already mentioned, like Team A, Team B, but also having an arbiter in the National Security Council who's a, you know, intelligence senior director who understands how the intelligence community works,
00:46:46.400understands the games that are played and understands, you know, the types of priority information requirements that NSC and the president require, as well as the agencies and departments that rely on this intelligence.
00:47:00.020That's a critical role for protecting the interests of the president.
00:47:06.100Colonel Harvey could not agree more. Sir, where do people get you on social media?
00:47:10.340First off, my web page is DerekHarvey.net. And then my truth social is Derek, at Derek Harvey. And then on Twitter, of course, it's Colonel D. Harvey.
00:47:27.800Colonel, thank you so much. Appreciate you.
00:47:30.860Somebody with incredible experience in the Middle East and a major player in the first administration.
00:47:40.880Also, Devin Nunes is right-hand man over at House Intel to sort it all out.
00:47:46.660Very disturbing story. We're going to cover it more today. We had to take 50 minutes.
00:47:50.880In fact, I could have played it twice. President Trump gave a talk, had some remarks at the NATO summit in Netherlands, in The Hague,
00:47:57.400and then took Q&A, which was a master class. As he said, I took questions from all the beauties, all the toughest people.
00:48:04.760And it was very limited. We're going to pull and have some of that today and talk about it because there's a lot of stuff on Ukraine.
00:48:10.480Most importantly, the 12-day war is over. I mean, he was adamant. Boom, over.
00:48:15.600I did what we had to do. Got it done. I promised for, I think he said, 15 years to do that.
00:48:21.660But it's obliterated. We're moving on. And there's going to be tremendous pressure put on President Trump and his administration.
00:48:30.140Boots on the ground. Regime change. You watch. The Israel first crowd over at Fox is going to be relentless.
00:48:37.200And we're going to make sure we're here. Too blunted. That's where they're all worked up.
00:48:40.460They're leaking oil because we shut down their regime change, which they wanted to go to.
00:48:45.800In fact, if there's regime change, right, we think every country ought to do it.
00:48:50.780Maybe in Jerusalem they should start thinking about that.
00:48:53.600I don't know how Netanyahu's government, this Washington Post story has got to be refuted.
00:48:57.420I don't know how anybody can deal with them until the CIA comes out.
00:49:01.180We've got to talk about exactly what information was put forward on that critical time of Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday of a couple of weeks ago,