Episode 4620： Enforcing Fair Trade; Deconstructing The Systems Against The American People
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Summary
Gail Slater is the Director of the Department of Justice's Antitrust Division, which enforces anti-trust laws across the country. She is also the former head of the Justice Department's antitrust division and served as a prosecutor in the Reagan administration. Gail has been with the department for more than 30 years and is a regular contributor to CNN and other media outlets.
Transcript
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It is a Wednesday, the 9th of July, year of World War II, 2025.
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We've got a VIP guest, Gail Slater from the Justice Department, Department of Justice, Antitrust Division.
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And I know it's tough to, first off, to book people of the Justice Department, particularly someone as busy as you,
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that is helping to make sure that we keep in check too much concentration of power.
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You've got some breaking news of something you've just done today.
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National Economic Council in President Trump's first term.
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And then you've come back in and you head the Antitrust Division for the Justice Department.
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That's like, I mean, it's like you, Harmeet Dillon, so many people who know are at these senior level positions really running the Justice Department.
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I learned that in order to compete against China, we need to be in all these global races the American way.
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And what I mean by that is we'll never beat China by becoming more like China.
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They have a controlled economy, et cetera, et cetera.
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We win all these races, and history has taught us this too, Steve, by our free market system, by letting the ball rip, by letting companies compete, by out-innovating one another.
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And the reason why antitrust matters to that picture, to the free market system, is because we're the cop on the beat at the end of the day.
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We step in when competition is not working, and we ensure that markets remain competitive.
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So people would say that's odd coming from the populist nationalists, the MAGA movement.
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People, if you want to know what heavy duty was, the first term was pretty tough, and we were literally surrounded.
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As today, we know, we're going to have posts on others on as, you know, it looks like Brennan and Kobe have a criminal investigation about Russiagate, right?
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As you know, it's kind of Fort Apache every day at the White House as we were besieged by the deep state.
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How do you take in that thing about competition and what you're trying to do and breaking up these, really going after the concentration of these oligarchs with the populist nationalist movement?
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We're law enforcers because we are cops on the beat.
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And so I could talk to you about a couple of the cases that we're working on.
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Our big announcement today had to do with a bid-wrecking situation.
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But a lot of taxpayer money was being spent on the Moody Arena down in Texas, right?
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The contract for services was put out to tender.
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Ordinarily, you'd expect to see companies competing hard for that kind of business, right?
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And one company was left being the sole bidder on the contract.
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And that involved a lot of overcharges to the good people of Texas.
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And did they subcontract out to other people who should have been competing against them?
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There were promises made that they would spread the wealth.
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You know this from your L.A. days, I'm sure, Steve.
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And so you end up with one guy with all of the business.
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And so today, fast forward to 2025, under President Trump's leadership, the DOJ under Pan Bondi has been tasked with looking at the ways in which competition is not working in live entertainment in general.
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We've got gatekeepers standing between consumers and competition and all of the good things that competition brings to consumers.
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We brought a civil case against Live Nation last year under the Biden administration.
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That's up in the Southern District of New York.
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We've got 40 states, 40, four zero states standing with us in that case.
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Is that where they're rigging the price of the tickets?
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Well, so we've got a number of different allegations in that case.
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Today's case is a criminal case, so different than our civil case against Live Nation.
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And it's against one individual, a guy named Tim Lewicki.
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I don't know if you're familiar with him, Steve.
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So he was, until recently, the CEO of Oakview, which is one of these groups, right, that bids for this business.
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We also have non-prosecution agreements already in place with Oakview Group and with Legends, which would have been the competitor bidding for that business.
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So that's an example of the kind of thing that we're bringing to the table.
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So if you're violating the antitrust laws, we're going to take a hard look.
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If you're not violating the antitrust laws, we're going to get the hell out of the way.
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But we're going to be cops on the beat when we see a violation.
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That hasn't been enforced in a long time, correct?
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They really looked the other way on this concentration of power?
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It was also, frankly, President Trump's assessment towards the end of his first term.
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As you know, he filed the Google search case, which we're carrying forward.
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There's a through line from there through the Bidens to us today.
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Talk about that because the Google case is a landmark case.
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So you've got him in one court in Northern Virginia for the search engine?
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The advertising and the search engine is in D.C.?
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You're managing two cases against probably one of the most powerful companies in the world.
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You bifurcated it in two different sectors to go after the two core reasons why they're a monopoly?
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And again, both those investigations were open during President Trump's first term.
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The Bidens litigated both cases to the liability phase.
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Two district courts now have fined Google liable for monopolization.
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One in here in District Court in D.C. in the search engine market and the other in this ad tech market was the technology that's used at the back end of the Internet to serve ads between publishers and us, consumers.
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That's the reason that you have thousands of companies competing in different or hundreds of companies competing in different sectors.
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I mean, our argument is that the competition in that online search market has been frozen in place.
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For the best part of two decades now, you've not seen some movement in market shares.
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You've not seen particularly robust competitors enter the market.
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And that's why President Trump filed the case at the end of his first term.
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The media told me on inauguration day when he saw the oligarch sitting in back of President Trump that they were going to run the deal.
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There was a perception at the start of the term.
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President Trump made the personnel choices he made.
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And so you have, in me, a cop on the beat at the antitrust division at DOJ.
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Is Trump antitrust, because I want to, as you know, we like the Warren Posse of nomenclature.
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And when you say Bush and Biden and even Obama, when you talk about the antitrust, what's the difference in Chicago School versus the Neo-Brandeisians?
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We would say that Bidens, in some areas, in some ways, over-enforce the law.
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One of the things we heard from Wall Street during the transition was it's very hard to get deals reviewed by the antitrust agencies.
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You need to build more efficiency into that review process, which we take very seriously.
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And so at the front end of deals, we've speeded up the process where there is no issue with the merger.
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They're notified to us because they trigger a certain threshold.
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We're not going to hold on to your filing just because we can, right?
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At the back end of deals, one of the things I said at my confirmation hearing, different than my predecessor, was, not to get too arcane, but yes, about nomenclature.
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If there's a merger that we can settle, we'll settle it.
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We don't have to go to court to sue to block every merger.
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And so we've already racked up three, four settlements that we think meet the competition challenge, but let the deal, the rest of the deal go forward and close.
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So that's a concrete example of how we're different than the Bidens.
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But at the same time, we've carried forward with these big monopolization cases we just talked about.
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When people look at the populist nationalist movement and you want more competition, deconstruction in the administrative state, still with a regulatory aspect to it, and people say, no, you guys speak out of the two sides of your mouth because China is an existential threat and you need national champions.
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Like I say, there's more regulations to open a nail salon on Capitol Hill than there is in artificial intelligence.
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This is why the moratorium was so big to pull out.
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In the global, in the world we live in today, with China doing what they're doing, right, as a totalitarian, essentially authoritarian government versus ourselves, how do you balance that?
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So there's a great example of how we will win this race, any future race against China, any authoritarian regime, the American way.
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So AT&T, I know a company that's dear to your heart and your family, right?
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You're not going to talk about the breakup of AT&T.
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But this is a good news story, and this is about how we're going to win all these races against China.
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They're getting threatened with a breakup by the Justice Department, the antitrust division, where I now work.
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If you break us up, we're going to lose the Cold War.
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And from that breakup, unleashed all kinds of innovations.
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The first internet modem came out of AT&T, the Bell Labs, right?
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Although my dad would tell you the Bell Labs, but that's a conversation.
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They said we're going to lose the Cold War if you break us up.
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When people think of the antitrust division going forward, what are you guys trying to
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Because President Trump, as you said, he's not the Bushes.
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Being an entrepreneur businessman, what should people look forward to directionally?
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We're going to do robust enforcement where it's appropriate.
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If there's no issue with your deal, we're going to get the hell out of the way.
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This is a wristband that came from the Google trial team in the search case.
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Hold it up so people can read it into the camera.
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The trial team made this wristband, and it's the adjectives...
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...that Google used to describe our pre-trial brief in that case.
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And I thought, I know just the man for that wristband.
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Radical and dangerous, and reckless and irresponsible.
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For the record, our pre-trial brief was none of those things.
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You know, they're not going to roll over, so...
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Where do people find out more about the department, more about all of this?
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Learn about Neil Brandeisian versus Chicago School, your social media?
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I'm bringing the new name nomenclature to the table here.
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You're brand management over at the Justice Department of DOJ.
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And by the way, the conference you put on was fantastic.
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The White House can now move forward with its plan to reduce the workforce of more than
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This after the Supreme Court yesterday imposed an administrative stay on a lower court ruling
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that would have put limits on the actions that the president can take.
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NBC News reports the justices made it clear that their order is not about the legality
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of any individual agency reduction in force or reorganization plan, only the legality of
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Trump's executive order and an administration memo related to workforce plans.
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Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson provided a written dissent in which she called the decision, quote, senseless.
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Trump administration's efforts to politicize intelligence and U.S. national security.
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It is also the culmination of a long and mostly fruitless nine-year campaign by Team Trump to rewrite history when it comes to Russia and the 2016 presidential election.
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In the wake of furious backlash from some of Donald Trump's most prominent supporters over the Justice Department debunking their conspiracy theories about convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein,
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not 12 hours after that happens, comes news that DOJ has launched investigations into two people Donald Trump has singled out and attacked and smeared over and over and over again.
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A Justice Department spokesperson tells NBC News that officials have opened criminal investigations into both former CIA director John Brennan and former director of the FBI, Jim Comey.
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The FBI declined to comment to NBC News and Jim Comey has not responded to a request for comment.
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Now, exactly what conduct is being investigated is unclear at this hour.
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But when it comes to John Brennan, who we should note is a senior national security and intelligence analyst right here at MSNBC, NBC News is reporting that his successor at the CIA,
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director John Ratcliffe, made a criminal referral over John Brennan's handling of a 2017 assessment.
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That assessment found with a high level of confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin aspired to help the Trump campaign.
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By the way, Gail Slater, that was Gail Slater's first interview here in the war room.
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You know, though, because I see her at events and I always assume that I've seen her.
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I didn't realize she hadn't actually been in front of the camera before.
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She's also the, she's the, she runs the deal up here in Capitol Hill.
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And it shows you the caliber of people that the Trump administration has put together in these places.
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And people know I've been critical of certain elements of the DOJ lately.
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But, you know, when you look at, at, at the granular level, and that's what we do in the war room.
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So Davis, you would, you would appreciate this.
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This, I want to make, so today on the morning show is all deep state.
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But the Supreme Court has backed us up in this, had they not, with this ruling.
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Because I'm telling you, Weissman, the entire MSNBC thing is in the mumble tank on this announcement
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to the Supreme Court and on top of Brennan and Comey being under investigation.
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Why are our enemies in the mumble tank on this thing about the opportunities we have with
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So back in February, President Trump issued an executive order carrying out what he promised
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American voters he would do, which is a significant, large-scale reduction in the federal workforce,
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We have too many people doing jobs that don't matter to the American people.
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Again, he issued an executive order, and he told the Office of Personal Management and
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other agencies, Office of Management and Budget, to promptly undertake preparations to initiate
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large-scale reductions in force, rifts, consistent with applicable law, right?
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And so a San Francisco left-wing activist judge appointed by Clinton issued one of her
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temporary restraining orders on this and said that they can't even prepare to do a workforce
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reduction consistent with the law, meaning it's—so it's just inexplicable.
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Of course, the Ninth Circuit, which is left-wing, let this activist judge get away with this,
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and it took several months for the Supreme Court to finally step in.
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And the Supreme Court did step in, and it was 8 to 1.
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You had Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson write an idiotic dissent, and it was so idiotic that
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even Justice Sonia Sotomayor did not join Justice Jackson's idiotic dissent.
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It's usually dueling idiotic dissents from both of them, but this was too dumb even for
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And now the president and his team can move forward with preparing for federal workforce
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reductions, which is his absolute power to do as the chief executive officer under Article
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So you've preached this for a long time, and the court—the President Trump went to court.
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Just in a practical matter, can we now go to the FBI and, like, deconstruct the FBI?
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Can we go to the CIA and start to deconstruct the CIA?
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Can we do what Carrie Lake's doing at VOA and take it down to its statutory limits?
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I mean, can we go into these places that we know are working against the American people
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and start to take out chunks, whole chunks, and really do deconstruction, not onesies,
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twosies where a billet comes open and you just say, hey, I'm going to keep it open?
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Because I think that's what the CIA said, they're going to let go of 1,000 people, but
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it's over time, as billets come open, they're not going to fill them.
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Can President Trump go in and start to take apart the deep state?
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You're going to get another activist judge issuing another temporary restraining order,
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It's going to be a preliminary injunction masquerading as a temporary restraining order.
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But look, they're going to say this only applies to the preparation phase when they actually
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There's going to be another temporary restraining order preliminary injunction.
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The Trump Justice Department, led by Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General
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Todd Blanche and Solicitor General John Sauer, they're doing a phenomenal job of taking these
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things aggressively to the Supreme Court in winning.
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Like I said, it took two months for them to rule on this.
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This is obvious judicial sabotage by these activist judges.
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These activist judges know that they can slow down the Trump administration by several months,
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and you'll never get back those crucial months in your four-year term.
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And so the Trump administration should move forward and move forward aggressively with these
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And they can do it so long as that there's not a statutory hurdle for them.
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So if there's a statute that says that there has to be an office, they have to keep that office.
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But that doesn't mean you have to have a thousand people in that office unless the statute says so.
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Okay, so I'll come to you in the second post on this, taking apart the deep state and using this
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Mike, also the leak that came out about, and Brennan said today on MSNBC he has not been served with
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anything, but the criminal investigation of Comey and Brennan, both of these hit at the same time.
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I've been on Jack's show since the Mar-a-Lago raid constantly, hundreds of times, talking about
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the fact that the White's President Obama and Vice President Biden and Brennan and Clapper
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They politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to go after their political
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They made up the Russian collusion hoax with the Steele dossier with Perkins, Cooey.
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They spied on then-presidential candidate Donald Trump.
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They continued to spy on President Donald Trump when he was in the White House.
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They sabotaged his first term with the Russian collusion hoax.
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I remember when I was in the Senate, even Senate Republicans were running around with their
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They were convinced that Trump could have been a Russian spy because of this.
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They continued this lawfare against President Trump when they did the Mar-a-Lago raid to
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get back the declassified crossfire hurricane records that President Trump declassified via
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presidential executive order the day before he left office.
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They brought four bogus indictments against President Trump.
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They tried to take off his head twice when they underfunded a Secret Service and President
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Biden said to put a bullseye on President Trump's head.
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I have been calling for accountability for this.
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I've been calling for a criminal probe on this and the Justice Department.
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We're finally going to get justice, as we've promised on your show, on Jack's show.
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So I would say to Comey and Clapper and Brennan and Hillary and Biden and Obama, lawyer up because
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We're pressed for time, but I got to ask you, Papadopoulos on this morning.
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I said, hey, this, I think this may be for the, his perjury.
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You know, the statute of limitations running on Brennan on certain of the worst crimes, but
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But Papadopoulos thinks this is a conspiracy that looking at them on a criminal conspiracy
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The statute of limitations is not told because this is an ongoing criminal conspiracy and
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the criminal conspiracy does not end until people disavow the conspiracy.
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They've actually, through lying in 2022, this alleged perjury in 2022, they've actually,
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there's actually fraud that continues the conspiracy.
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So not only have they not disavowed the conspiracy, they've actually covered up the conspiracy,
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We are clearly within the statute of limitations.
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Article three, project.org, article number three, project.org.
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Excuse me, I think you mean the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles.
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Just want to make sure to fact-check you here in the world.
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What do you think about the Redskins coming back?
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I mean, is it – has it been officialized yet?
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But you want to go up against the biggest rival.
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If I'm an Eagles fan, right, I want the Eagles to play the Redskins.
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And we will beat you every time, RG3 or not, because we got Jalen Hurts.
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But now they have to get rid of the current one, right?
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Yeah, the current state is kind of – but it's still going to be RFK.
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Does the ruling in the Supreme Court give us now the ability, no excuses, to go after
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I mean, this is the green light for the deconstruction crew to go over there to the deep state, wherever
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they are, wherever they are, offices, chapter and verse, just pulling all that root and step.
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You're bitching and moaning because you're bitching – I get clips of – I get to play
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clips of Jack Posobiec on Dana Bash on CNN, but we won't because you used the H word.
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Hillary, you're bitching and moaning and whining all the time.
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Now you've got a criminal investigation on Brennan and Comey, and you're an IC guy, so you've got two of the worst.
00:32:10.940
What's the adjectives you've got on the wristband there?
00:32:17.920
No, look, because, Steve, there's a phrase that they use online, all right?
00:32:23.260
And they use it to refer to you, and they say, when in doubt, chimp out.
00:32:34.620
Do you think there's a grand jury that's been impaneled that's hearing this stuff?
00:32:42.420
When Mike Davis comes up there and says it's real, you could take that to the bank,
00:32:46.120
because Mike Davis has come up time and time again to tell us when stuff wasn't real,
00:32:49.940
has made us take our vitamins and eat our veggies, even when we don't want.
00:32:53.900
And that guy's more plugged into this system than anybody in the world.
00:33:01.940
Brandon, by the way, that's a slam-dunk case of perjury, okay?
00:33:07.320
It was under, by the way, and there's multiple, right?
00:33:12.840
But my guy said the statute of limits has run out, but Davis just clarified it,
00:33:19.520
As long as it's an ongoing conspiracy that it's not broken.
00:33:21.940
By the way, you could go ask Doug Mackey about that,
00:33:23.860
because that was the whole thing of his case was conspiracy.
00:33:31.740
They've got to prosecute the prosecutors, and the judge ought to be impeached.
00:33:36.880
And so with Comey, you know, with Comey, I want to see,
00:33:39.120
I haven't seen the specific charge yet that we have to come down.
00:33:42.680
So there's serious, obviously, a number of times, though.
00:33:46.420
And by the way, I've, I identified something very early on
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when your good friend Peter Baker in the New York Times
00:33:52.300
called me a conspiracy theorist for saying this,
00:33:54.340
that James Comey once said under oath early on in the Trump administration
00:33:58.660
that he never felt any pressure to shut down an investigation, all right?
00:34:02.940
And I remember this all the way back, 2017, and Peter Baker wrote me up with this.
00:34:11.760
He said, he said, I felt pressured to shut down the Russia investigation.
00:34:17.460
Here's your, here's your testimony from the first time.
00:34:24.420
We got Nor bin Laden and Joe Allen at the, what is it?
00:34:29.280
It's like, we're going to feel better because the United Nations.
00:34:33.080
So Nor bin Laden, Jack and I have been waiting for this one all day.
00:34:36.180
What's your assessment of day two of the conference?
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Great to be with you guys this evening, evening here, afternoon for you guys.
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Day two was equally as interesting as yesterday.
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And it's, it's a jam-packed schedule of big hitters, big names, but also just very key
00:34:57.200
topics that we mentioned yesterday when it comes to specifically disinformation and misinformation.
00:35:04.760
I mentioned the global risk report from the World Economic Forum that came out, that comes
00:35:10.480
out every January with misinformation and disinformation being the number one threat in the world, according
00:35:19.280
In the background of this UN conference on AI, you have the UN's own global risks report,
00:35:26.380
which came out this week as well, their very first one, where again, misinformation and
00:35:31.800
disinformation is the number one vulnerability in the world, according to them.
00:35:36.840
And today I picked up at the Google booth, this brochure entitled Determining Trustworthiness
00:35:47.800
And it's all about how in the age of AI, it's going to be absolutely critical for people to
00:35:56.220
And as I mentioned on the show yesterday, Steve, we're going to see an increasing clampdown on
00:36:06.180
And if you look further down the pipeline, I think what is coming is actually the end of
00:36:15.060
They want to tie in the digital ID, online verification and end online anonymity.
00:36:23.000
And you remember Nikki Haley, Nimrata had called for this actually when she was, I think, running
00:36:31.580
I mean, if that even was a thing back then with her failed campaign.
00:36:36.340
But you have quite heavy, I mean, big names in politics, in tech, in those globalist institutions
00:36:45.020
actually preparing this narrative, the dangers of AI, the dangers of deep fakes in order to
00:36:54.660
Well, so, and this is a question for both of you, but so earlier this morning, US time,
00:36:59.700
we saw the resignation of the head of X, the head of Twitter, and many people believe that
00:37:08.180
this is in relation to Grok and the flare up from Grok yesterday, posting Hitler quotes,
00:37:17.500
posting a series of things that really just kind of switching into a completely different
00:37:25.980
And, and, and, and, and, and, well, part of it was they weren't even able to turn it
00:37:34.460
I have to ask though, at the conference, you know, has all of this massive international
00:37:39.920
news regarding Grok, has that been a topic of discussion?
00:37:45.340
You had major CEO resignation over it, or is it something they're trying to just kind of
00:37:51.080
Well, I, I'll, I'll say, Jack, uh, you know, you and I both remember Tay and Tay lives.
00:38:04.000
If you recall, back in 2016, 17, uh, Microsoft tried to create a chat bot, uh, trained on Twitter.
00:38:12.540
And it was, to say the least, uh, impolite in its observing of, uh, various topics regarding
00:38:21.840
Twitter, uh, Hitler or men and women or, uh, the races.
00:38:25.600
So, uh, what you saw with Grok is, I think, probably an attempt at breaking open the, the
00:38:33.560
guardrails and allowing the LLM to simply follow the statistical models of what it is trained
00:38:40.520
on, which in the case of Twitter, Musk opened up Twitter to free speech, which meant bringing
00:38:46.300
in a lot of people who speak, uh, to put it mildly, impolitely.
00:38:54.800
You guys, you're at the, with all the leaders in the world, the most public, the most public
00:39:01.680
And it's a, had a meltdown where the CEO, I think the CEO resigned for a couple of things.
00:39:05.960
Number one, what he's been saying about president Trump and other people, the political party,
00:39:12.000
You know, the nanny left and they, they're not, they're not, she, she's afraid of liability.
00:39:16.540
But the Grok thing is, the Grok thing is, is shocking in the fact they pitch you on, oh,
00:39:21.960
it's just a path to artificial general intelligence.
00:39:25.720
If you look at it, it looks like a demon and you can't stop it.
00:39:28.640
And it's also kind of saying it's all powerful.
00:39:33.860
So are they in Geneva, are they addressing this issue at all?
00:39:37.320
This thing is so dangerous and you have it in the hands of kids, sir?
00:39:42.080
But the way that they're addressing it is to say that these are the dangers of artificial
00:39:48.920
They're not saying that artificial intelligence is going to lead to utopia.
00:39:52.820
They're mostly pointing out, even if it's called AI for good, they're pointing out a lot
00:40:02.760
AI is going to create massive economic divides.
00:40:06.800
And so what they are proposing, and when I say they, it's a broad spectrum of opinions.
00:40:12.340
But the general thrust is that if we put in place the global standards, perhaps even global
00:40:20.800
treaties, perhaps even binding legislation across borders, then we'll be able to protect
00:40:26.600
people from hearing racist posts from Grok or we'll be able to protect people from deep
00:40:35.680
So they talk continuously about the dangers, as I think they should, but their solutions
00:40:43.820
So nor, nor, I, you know, I feel shouldn't I feel comfortable being put to bed about what
00:40:49.760
they're telling me in Geneva, that they're going to take care of all these problems with
00:40:56.460
Why are you guys looking at it with such a jaundiced eye and being so mean?
00:41:01.020
No, listen, to bounce off of Joe's point, which was absolutely correct.
00:41:12.560
And in perfect UN parlance and in UN strategy and narrative building, they are using the
00:41:19.920
excuse, you know, of these poor nations or developing nations not having access to all
00:41:25.120
of this infrastructure and that the digital divide is going to be further exasperated,
00:41:30.600
heightened, and now it's turning into this AI divide and all those countries are going
00:41:38.280
So it's always the same playbook about wanting to help the poorer nations when, in fact, it's
00:41:43.800
just a way to deploy more and more of this technology in order to connect the entire world and better
00:41:49.680
track, better map, better surveil the entire world.
00:41:53.740
So they're, they're focusing or highlighting all of these issues, but the objective and
00:42:00.160
the goals in addressing those issues are very much further centralization.
00:42:08.680
That's why we need more AI and more power because of the issues.
00:42:18.080
The reason we had to, we had to take Joe Allen from out, he was in the wilds of Wyoming
00:42:25.120
We had to take him and put him on a plane to get to Geneva to assist and work with Noor
00:42:31.520
because this conference is so big because my understanding is the last time we sent you
00:42:42.320
Noor's sitting there freezing in the snow doing a report and you're like in a cafe and you're
00:42:51.020
No, first of all, I'm going to have Interpol coming in on me, just guilt by association.
00:43:02.480
And I, and I, my brother was out looking for Malcolm Nance.
00:43:06.960
I sent him on a mission to try to find Malcolm Nance with Zelensky because Zelensky was with
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Noor bin Laden, give me a couple of minutes on your summary of where we stand on day two,
00:45:20.540
Day two, as I mentioned, was, again, a lot about all of this misinformation and disinformation
00:45:28.600
and how to tackle the—how would you say the control of information online.
00:45:36.460
There was a lot of talk about education as well and AI education in particular with lots
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of countries like Mongolia, Estonia continuing on the digitization path and introducing AI
00:45:52.300
So that was a big focus today, the education, and obviously hand-in-hand with GovTech.
00:45:57.980
I've done a lot of research on that and wrote an article on GovTech specifically two years
00:46:03.700
That was a central theme and is a central theme this week of how all public services are being
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Google as well had several brochures about that and how to assist governments worldwide
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So Joe, you can show us as the best model for what we've been working on, antimatters.world.
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So, Steve, Noor is absolutely right about the basically assumption that AI is the future
00:47:12.940
of everything, education, medicine, the military, government, corporate life, everything.
00:47:20.020
The tension is between those who say that that means that we're doomed and those who say that
00:47:27.660
AI will be for good, that we will be able to harness this and create more intelligent humans,
00:47:34.800
We heard from David Sinclair of Harvard that maybe we'll even use AI to reverse aging by
00:47:45.100
There are the people here, Jeffrey Hinton, Roman Jampalski, who say that, no, maybe this
00:47:54.460
I think when the audience sees some of the interviews we've been conducting, especially
00:47:58.600
with the robots and especially with the cyborgs, they'll get a little taste of the future that
00:48:03.820
they're talking about, both the doom and the promise.
00:48:08.120
Tomorrow, when we get to Tampa for the Charlie Kirk, this major student action summit, we're
00:48:14.780
going to play two of the major interviews by Joe.
00:48:18.500
Joe, where do they go on social media to get you, sir?
00:48:26.580
And I think they'll really look forward to Noor's relationship with a robot now, Nadine.
00:48:48.720
And they're coming for Bridge Colby because the Israel First crowd, plus he wants to keep
00:48:53.820
I think they're trying to do a bank shot right now.
00:48:56.300
So if you go and watch MSNBC right now, what are they doing?
00:49:08.180
They're saying it was Hegseth who made this decision.
00:49:10.080
It's about stopping the shipment of Patriot missile batteries and others to Ukraine.
00:49:13.340
Well, and what it really is, though, is an audit of what's going on and an assessment
00:49:18.720
of what our military stockpiles are to defend places, because we've committed, right?
00:49:23.820
We've committed to the defense, and we talk about it on Worm all time, to the defense of
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the Pacific, the defense of the Red Sea, the defense of all of our bases in the Middle
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East, which required Patriot missiles during that response from Iran on Qatar and Al-Adid
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But we've still got to commit to the defense of that little place called the American homeland.
00:49:43.940
And the Patriot missile batteries are currently very low because we've been sending them to
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The reason they hate Bridge is that Bridge is the pivot to Asia guy.
00:49:57.120
He wants to not focus on the Middle East and wars in the Middle East and get out of the
00:50:02.720
And tomorrow at 6 o'clock, the Taiwan ambassador will be in the war room, and I will be interviewing
00:50:13.680
Well, ambassador could only come from another nation, right, Steve?
00:50:17.460
Well, in the war room, we call him an ambassador because it is a nation.
00:50:25.800
Real quickly, Gordon Chang's got a piece up saying she's losing control of the military.
00:50:35.160
Xi Jinping's downfall has been rumored since the day that he took office in 2012.
00:50:41.060
Look, has there been a shakeup within the PLA generals?
00:50:47.720
And the thing that I've been looking for, Steve, if you're going to see an actual reduction
00:50:52.740
in the power of Xi Jinping, and I go and look at Chinese media, all right, you would
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see the emergence, number one, of criticism of his policies, which you have not seen.
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Very first episode of War Room, that's exactly what I talked about.
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The mandate of heaven, the dynastic cycle of history.
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There's no heir apparent that's been identified in any way.
00:51:12.980
So this idea that, oh, there's a coup and the polyp bro is going to reassert control,
00:51:16.560
it's enticing to want to think about that, but I'm just not seeing it.
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