Bannon's War Room - Episode 4623： Epstein CoverUp; Reducing Spending For Defense

00:00:00.000 Good to be with you. I'm Katie Tur. Donald Trump is meddling, this time in Brazil, using the cover

00:00:05.440 of trade as a way to strong arm the democratic country into backing off one of his political

00:00:11.580 allies, the former president of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, a man who also tried to claim the

00:00:18.420 election he lost was rigged, a man who also allegedly helped fuel an attempted insurrection

00:00:24.440 of Brazil's own government. But Bolsonaro, unlike Trump, has gone to trial for his role and the

00:00:31.360 Supreme Court down there could very well convict him and put him in prison later this year. In a

00:00:37.360 letter to Brazil's current president, Lula, Mr. Trump calls the prosecution a, quote, international

00:00:42.460 disgrace. But Lula is not backing down, telling Trump Brazil is a sovereign country with independent

00:00:50.900 institutions that will not accept being abused by anyone. But it isn't just a letter from President

00:00:57.940 Trump. He's actively trying to pressure Brazil financially with 50 percent tariffs, claiming

00:01:04.680 the U.S. has a trade deficit with the country. But that's not true at all. The U.S. actually

00:01:10.560 has a trade surplus with Brazil. So why is Donald Trump using the cover of trade to interfere in

00:01:19.380 another democracy? What does he get out of it? Joining us now, NBC News business and data

00:01:24.520 correspondent Brian Chung, managing editor of The Bulwark and MSNBC contributor Sam Stein, and senior

00:01:30.360 editor at The Atlantic and host of Radio Atlantic, Hannah Rosen. Brian, first off, explain the trade

00:01:37.660 relationship with Brazil. Yeah, so a lot of Americans might be tuning into the news of the Brazil tariffs

00:01:44.580 and wondering how is that going to impact the things that I buy at the store. Brazil exports a lot of

00:01:49.180 major goods that we see at the grocery store on a daily basis, most namely coffee. So we are a major

00:01:54.720 importer of coffee from Brazil. Also things like orange juice as well as produce. We even import

00:01:59.960 some crude oil. So when you think about a 50 percent tariff, which would be effective August 1st,

00:02:04.600 unless Brazil can negotiate with the United States, then all those things could, in theory,

00:02:08.320 get 50 percent more expensive for the consumer as well. You make another important point about the

00:02:13.220 politics of all of this as well. Up until now, we had seen a lot of the letters that the president

00:02:17.460 have been publishing on Truth Social, two countries where the United States has a trade

00:02:21.480 deficit, where they don't buy as many things from the United States as the United States buys from

00:02:26.140 them. Brazil is the first country that we've seen in a letter so far this week that buys more from

00:02:31.560 the United States than the U.S. buys from Brazil. We have a trade surplus with that country to the

00:02:36.440 magnitude of almost seven and a half billion dollars. So again, that's the reason why the rhetoric is also

00:02:41.040 from the president about Jair Bolsonaro, as opposed to about the country cheating us through a trade

00:02:46.600 deficit, because we don't have a trade deficit with Brazil. Again, we have a trade surplus.

00:02:50.620 Is there any way to look at our trade relationship with Brazil, Brian, and to see something unfair

00:02:56.020 going on? Anything that that would justify Donald Trump trying to use trade as a cudgel?

00:03:02.100 Well, again, even when you look at the letter that he sent to Brazil, it is completely restructured

00:03:07.280 from what we had seen as the copy and paste shop for every other country that he had sent letters to

00:03:11.360 earlier this week, including to South Korea, to Japan, to smaller countries like Kazakhstan,

00:03:15.400 Moldova. With Brazil, he started the letter essentially with an entire paragraph about how

00:03:21.360 he felt Brazil was unfairly treating Jair Bolsonaro. So this kind of underscores that the president

00:03:26.820 isn't going to succeed in using the trade deficit, and they are cheating us in a trade relationship

00:03:32.880 as the excuse to do this type of tariff. But again, the question here is, can Brazil then still

00:03:38.300 negotiate with the United States? Because that is still very much relevant to this conversation,

00:03:42.640 as it is with any country that we have a trade deficit with. There is a timeline now. There's

00:03:46.900 a few weeks until August 1st. And can the Brazilian government convince the United States to not put

00:03:52.440 that 50 percent tariff in place? That is the open question at this point.

00:03:55.800 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on

00:04:06.720 these people. You've just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people

00:04:13.140 have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the

00:04:17.240 world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like

00:04:20.840 that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people

00:04:28.480 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save

00:04:36.140 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:04:43.620 Welcome to the War Room. It's Natalie G. Winters hosting, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon. We are

00:04:55.020 here. A little bit of a different background than the White House or anywhere in the horrible city,

00:04:59.740 though I guess it's slightly greater now than is Washington, D.C. But we are coming at you live from

00:05:03.820 the Tampa Convention Center. I guess it's the Eve of Turning Points SAS. That is the Student Action

00:05:10.600 Summit. So I guess don't lose faith in this country for a lot of reasons, but certainly

00:05:15.320 in the youth. I've already started to see so many hundreds of young kids pouring in,

00:05:19.780 in school, out of school, on summer break, you name it. Here are excited to see so many people

00:05:24.340 speak, including Stephen K. Bannon. You've got Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, DHS Secretary

00:05:29.980 Kristi Noem, Charlie, of course, the whole Turning Point and RAV crew. Now our set is in the midst

00:05:35.640 of being built, so I'm going to preemptively apologize if you hear any loud, shall we say,

00:05:41.100 men at work noises. We got a lot of hammers and construction tools going on. But that's why we

00:05:46.820 have the beautiful background behind us. You know, War Room, we're always gonzo. We're going to have

00:05:53.080 Mike Benz on shortly to hit what you guys just saw in the cold open. But before we get there,

00:05:58.960 I want to flag a story in Denver. You can toss it up on screen coming from Notice. This isn't War

00:06:05.880 Room. This is a direct quote. The story titled, Trump fired them. Now they're plotting to stop him.

00:06:12.460 And I guess we'll continue with the no paraphrasing, just directly quoting, because it's so diabolical.

00:06:18.460 Quote, USAID and the State Department are now reapplying the skills and knowledge they built up over

00:06:23.660 decades to undermine Trump's power. Now this piece goes on, extensively reported, several quotes,

00:06:31.680 several officials, anonymous and on the record, including people who are currently employed

00:06:37.160 by the federal government, getting your taxpayer dollars, working under President Trump,

00:06:43.040 as saying, quote, get ready for this. They were so quick to disband USAID, the group that supposedly,

00:06:50.560 supposedly, instigates color revolutions. But they've done a very foolish thing.

00:06:55.580 You just released a bunch of well-trained individuals into your population. If you kept

00:07:00.400 our offices going and had us play solitaire in the office, you might have been safer to keep your

00:07:06.340 regime. Now, from a language analysis, we've got a lot of action going on. But from a, I would say,

00:07:13.960 analytical analysis of what they're talking about, this is not democracy activists talking about

00:07:18.940 their different worldview or being apoplectic over tariffs. These are people who are using,

00:07:23.800 in some cases, kinetic tactics to oppose President Trump and his administration.

00:07:29.120 And to that point, they're actually hosting, as highlighted in this article, secret workshops

00:07:35.180 promoting a tactic they call non-cooperation. Again, a direct quote from one of these sources,

00:07:41.000 quote, they're building a network of government workers willing to engage in even minor acts of

00:07:45.060 rebellion in the office. And they're planting the seeds of what they hope could become a nationwide

00:07:50.460 general strike. And the go-to document that they're circulating and using to buttress a lot

00:07:56.420 of these activities, well, you probably wouldn't believe me or you'd think I'm joking, but I'm not.

00:08:00.940 It's a quote, an old CIA pamphlet with allies who still work in the government called

00:08:04.840 simple sabotage. And before we get into that, I know Mike Benz is going to have a lot of thoughts

00:08:09.720 on that. Let us just, case closed, I think War Room's theory of the case that there is no

00:08:14.640 meaningful distinction between domestic policy and foreign policy. And frankly, all of these

00:08:19.520 foreign wars, these mass foreign surveillance states, the foreign interventionism really has

00:08:24.260 only just been a really training ground, a test run for the tactics that they've wanted to deploy,

00:08:29.940 fine tune them and hone them in here in the United States. And through a lot of these quotes

00:08:34.000 and these programs, right, the idea that the people who carried out color revolutions,

00:08:38.160 regime change, pro-democracy movements, choose whatever euphemism you want, that those people

00:08:43.440 are now turning inwards, right, not focusing on saving those countries, but instead weaponizing

00:08:48.160 those tactics here in the United States proves not only that the deep state exists, I think we're far

00:08:53.840 long gone past that, but that USAID, the State Department, this foreign global apparatus really

00:09:00.140 has been ground zero in the hotbed of so much of that resistance against President Trump.

00:09:05.100 Now, I want to read some more quotes. You know, rarely do we quote legacy media,

00:09:09.120 Alice in the Warren, but it's important to understand the enemy. And I say the enemy because

00:09:13.480 this is not just, you know, highfalutin MSNBC rhetoric. This is calls for kinetic action.

00:09:20.060 Quote, widespread practice of simple sabotage will harass and demoralize enemy administrators

00:09:24.420 and police. The saboteur may have to reverse his thinking where he formerly thought of keeping his

00:09:29.020 tools sharp. He should now let them grow dull surfaces that formerly were lubricated should now be

00:09:33.640 sanded, normally diligent. He should now be lazy and careless. And I guess we're supposed to what

00:09:39.380 believe that those very same people had nothing to do with the not one, but two attempts on President

00:09:44.480 Trump's life. They actually have a new group called Democracy Aid, where they're having quote,

00:09:50.900 invite only workshops with federal employees who hear about them from their friends, where they've

00:09:56.620 quote, shifted from salvaging the foreign assistance infrastructure to redeploying that

00:10:01.440 inside the United States. Let that sink in. The global apparatus that your tax dollars were used

00:10:09.840 to set up to influence elections abroad are now being turned inward in a circular firing squad to come

00:10:15.980 after the president that you voted for in the administration that you elected. And they're so bold,

00:10:22.180 brave and brash that they're willing to quote to be quoted on it in the media. Also flagging,

00:10:28.700 no conspiracies, no coincidences. The Brennan Center, that was one of the consulting firms and

00:10:33.360 weird think tanks that of course, none other than Judge Marchand's daughter was busy consulting on

00:10:37.680 behalf of they receive a ton of Soros money. They put up a poll today that about half of all election

00:10:42.980 officials and election workers are, and I quote, quote, concerned about politically motivated

00:10:47.920 investigations. Well, to that, I would say you probably should be. And if you're worried about an

00:10:52.920 investigation, it probably means you did something wrong. And of course, today you saw the sweeping

00:10:59.180 idea, right, that President Trump can't institute anything related to revoking birthright citizenship,

00:11:04.480 sort of doing it through a class action lawsuit instead of the nationwide injunctions, right,

00:11:08.920 kind of overruling what the Supreme Court did. Well, guess who was behind that lawsuit? None other than

00:11:14.520 Norm Eisen, one of the lead architects of everything USAID and State Department and color revolutions

00:11:19.920 abroad. Now, I do want to flag one piece of very good news. You know, we've really honed in on

00:11:26.640 particularly the United States shortage of rare earths, both on the actual supply side, but also

00:11:32.700 more importantly on the processing side, especially when we engage in these ever-expanding tariff

00:11:37.700 wars, not just against the PRC, but frankly, the whole world. The United States really has a critical

00:11:44.100 shortage of these critical minerals. China dominates about upwards of 90 percent of the processing,

00:11:48.800 the refinement of these critical rare earths, not just for your day-to-day lives, but of course,

00:11:52.900 for military technology too. And if we want to toss the CNBC article up on screen, and just a

00:11:57.880 wonderful move from the Defense Department, from Secretary Pete Hegseth, Pentagon, the Pentagon is

00:12:02.920 set to become the largest shareholder. They really helped spearhead a new, if not the largest rare

00:12:07.980 earth mine called Mountain Pass in the United States, which is going to help give us an upper hand

00:12:13.640 against China. You know, we talk about unrestricted warfare all the time, right? The idea that you

00:12:19.100 don't have to invade the United States to overtake a country. Frankly, I think they learned from

00:12:23.420 Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires, that that's actually quite the depletion of resources. Instead,

00:12:28.260 they want to create a White House where, while it might not be flying the Chinese flag, every single

00:12:33.120 electricity tool, utilities, you know, the medicines, the prescriptions that you rely on,

00:12:39.160 we are all relying on the Chinese Communist Party for all of those supply chains. And the rare earth

00:12:43.460 supply chain in particular has, I think, really grave ramifications for the national security

00:12:48.000 of this country. And it's great to see the DoD stepping up their game and getting ahead of that.

00:12:53.460 Now, Mike Benz, I want to bring you on. Obviously, we're going to hold you through the break.

00:12:57.320 I guess, trigger warning to the audience. I will have to interrupt you. I know you don't like it when

00:13:00.540 I do that. But just give me a few minutes on this notice piece, because my head was exploding,

00:13:06.520 or I guess maybe it wasn't, because I expect it. But your thoughts?

00:13:11.200 I thought someone had plagiarized my work. I, you know, the, this, this concept I've been

00:13:17.200 describing of a so-called professional class of regime change specialists at USAID, the State

00:13:24.420 Department and the CIA, in this language that I've been using for years now, which is that we have

00:13:30.620 trained this professional class of government officials at USAID, the State Department and the

00:13:37.940 CIA with a very special set of skills, which is toppling governments that the U.S. State Department

00:13:45.380 does not like, that the foreign policy establishment, U.S., U.K., NATO, our transatlantic alliance, when we

00:13:51.800 need a government gone, we have a professional class of specialists we employ to do that work.

00:13:57.780 And they are concentrated at USAID, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency,

00:14:04.080 and all of the USAID and State Department funded NGOs and foundations and for-profit contractors of

00:14:12.620 that network. And this is fundamentally what this group has been doing to and against Trump,

00:14:19.460 taking that special set of skills to deploy U.S. government funded NGOs against the democratically

00:14:25.600 elected president. This is the group that we send in to topple a democracy when we do not like the

00:14:32.100 Democrat outcome of a vote.

00:14:33.900 I apologize. However, I would think for all the military and military strategy that USAID and our

00:14:40.960 betters over at State have done, I'm a big fan of Sun Tzu, they should appear weak when they are strong

00:14:46.160 and not be giving all these quotes and airing out their strategy to notice. That's my humble critique,

00:14:51.480 though I haven't received billions of taxpayer dollars to reach that conclusion.

00:14:54.880 We're coming to you live from Tampa. We'll be right back after this short break with more Meg Benz.

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00:16:27.460 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:30.660 Welcome back to the War Room. The Temporary War Room. We're here in Tampa. I think it's probably the

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00:17:14.460 the BRICS Summit. I saw there was some reporting that the PRC has been back-channeling, asking questions

00:17:20.940 about the status in terms of the reserve currency being the United States dollar and how the yuan is

00:17:27.440 looking in comparison. Interesting questions. No conspiracies, no coincidences, as you know,

00:17:32.280 here in the War Room. But speaking of conspiracies and coincidences and pattern recognition, Mike,

00:17:38.240 I think MSNBC, despite all the brilliant luminaries over at the Bulwark, like Sam Stein, when they're

00:17:44.040 sitting there saying, well, this is the typical tariff playbook. There's one thing that was very

00:17:48.580 distinctive about the Brazil tariffs. And that was the explicit mention, as you noted,

00:17:53.360 of the censorship that they've been engaging in and the sort of weird Orwellian games that

00:17:58.400 they're playing. So can you, to pivot to that, can you sort of walk us through the significance of

00:18:02.980 the Brazil tariffs? In a shot across the bow, this is a 50 percent massive whopping tariff on goods coming

00:18:13.700 from the country of Brazil, which is under a unbelievable dictatorship through Lula and his

00:18:23.080 henchmen in the courts who have arrested the former president, Bolsonaro, who are silencing tens of

00:18:31.460 millions of Brazilians, throwing them in jail for any speech that criticizes Lula. This is the thumb of a

00:18:38.940 total dictatorship, something that we've not really seen in any Latin American country outside of

00:18:45.500 Venezuela since the Cold War. And what's been done here is essentially massive economic pressure in

00:18:53.320 order to try to change the incentives inside the Brazilian government around continuing these

00:18:59.380 dictatorial coercive measures against their own people. And the fact that this was explicitly done

00:19:05.200 in the name of what Trump called digital trade, that essentially our social media companies and

00:19:12.460 their ability to operate in foreign countries is part of the trade package that goes into the

00:19:18.600 bilateral relationship. The fact is, is it was Lula's government that not only ordered the shutdown of

00:19:24.160 X in their country, but also ordered massive fines and even seized assets from Starlink, a completely

00:19:30.340 unrelated company in order to put more pressure on X to censor as the government wanted. And so given

00:19:38.600 that Lula is only in power largely because the Biden administration orchestrated massive covert action to

00:19:45.500 prop him up, there has been no pushback directly against the Lula government from the U.S. government

00:19:51.660 who they were in bed with on their way to power. But Trump has now basically signaled a massive change to

00:19:59.220 that policy. And I think that the reverberations on that as the tariff set in will be substantial. I

00:20:06.960 believe that any free speech diplomacy toolkit has to involve trade aid arms and tariffs. Every lever of

00:20:16.220 our relationship with foreign countries should be leveraged to promote the universal human rights

00:20:23.020 principle of free speech. We did this in the cold war. This is how we opened up much of the iron

00:20:28.660 curtain. This is how we promoted free speech, exported the First Amendment in spirit throughout the Cold

00:20:35.040 War. We have a history of doing this. It's worked before. It's working now. We just got a 3% digital

00:20:42.280 tax in Canada ban stopped over this. We got the UK to pause enforcement of censorship aspects of the

00:20:48.900 online harms bill by threatening tariffs. And I believe that this playbook has to be taken not just

00:20:54.820 on Brazil, but especially against the European Union.

00:21:00.400 And I can't have Mike Benz on without asking you the latest with all things Epstein. I don't think

00:21:05.620 you've been on the show since that debacle. And that's an understatement. I'm curious your thoughts

00:21:11.640 on sort of where we stand at the weird, undated, unsigned memo. You had a great hit with Jesse Kelly,

00:21:17.040 where you were really getting into the sort of deep CIA ties there. But I'm just curious your kind of

00:21:21.840 overall assessment on where we stand on that fight, that information warfare fight.

00:21:26.620 Well, I believe quite strongly that Jeffrey Epstein is exactly as Vicki Ward reported,

00:21:32.200 Epstein's sweetheart plea deal. Justice Department official Alex Acosta said that he

00:21:38.400 belonged to intelligence and the DOJ was told in 2008 to leave him alone. And I believe that there

00:21:47.460 has been a cover up of that aspect of the Jeffrey Epstein story, which obviously inverts the entire

00:21:53.200 conception of Jeffrey Epstein, if indeed that is substantiated. And tonight I will actually be

00:21:58.460 publishing a detailed presentation video on the exact documents to be sought by the Justice Department

00:22:07.100 so that there is no wiggle room to get out of this issue any longer. The exact documents to make public

00:22:12.680 that I know the Justice Department has, the exact individuals to follow up with and to keep the

00:22:18.540 American people apprised as to the on-the-record statements those individuals should give to the

00:22:24.840 DOJ. I believe they've been able to effectively get away with not investigating the Epstein's

00:22:32.480 intelligence connections because of the Pandora's box that opens. But I think that given the public

00:22:39.940 outrage over this and the intense pressure that's felt by so many in the admin, combined with the

00:22:47.100 knowledge that this is not going away, that they will at least have to give a little bit. And tonight

00:22:52.720 I'll be publishing a video about what exactly they need to give immediately in order to show that this

00:22:59.460 is a genuine investigation and not a cover up. Yeah, the audience is certainly going to be all over

00:23:07.100 that. I think why this audience is so upset and myself included at what has been going on because

00:23:12.060 I think it's an affront to sort of what the core foundational values of the MAGA movement

00:23:16.540 really rest upon, which is a frustration with the sort of establishment Republican

00:23:22.240 belief and ideology that accountability is found in, you know, strongly worded letters and the tweets

00:23:28.500 and the sort of performative politicking of the day. Now it seems like we're not even really getting

00:23:33.200 that. We're being told that we just need to move on and not care about it. Certainly we're not

00:23:37.240 getting prison sentences or anything in sort of that territory, frankly, on a lot of verticals,

00:23:42.800 on a lot of fronts. I'm just curious in sort of the, you know, botched dissemination, whether it was

00:23:48.300 the binder stuff, now this weird letter, where do you sort of maybe in your mind kind of reverse

00:23:54.720 engineer, obviously we don't know the answer, but place the blame, perhaps it's a loaded word,

00:24:00.020 but sort of the issue with the release of these files, is this something that, you know, is it,

00:24:05.720 is it the Trump admin? Is it politicals? Is it something that, you know, what we would

00:24:09.460 colloquially refer to as the deep state? Is it a CIA thing? Where do you think that sort of urge to

00:24:16.020 suppress this is really emanating from? I think it's a combination of donors and national security

00:24:22.060 officials. I think that, that they have intersecting interests on this and they're both involved in the

00:24:27.200 story and they both have considerable influence on not just the, the White House itself, but the

00:24:32.700 agencies, the, the policies at all the executive branch agencies. I think that, that part of,

00:24:40.320 part of the reason this is such a hot potato is because there are Trump world donors who have been

00:24:44.900 intimately involved in this network. And part of the reason this is such a hot potato is because

00:24:48.840 if they have to tell us about Epstein's ties, then they have to tell the world because the world reads

00:24:54.680 our media, they, they can't just give us all national security, all 300 million Americans,

00:25:01.580 national security clearances to access it. It becomes public knowledge, which means the entire

00:25:06.260 network effectively would have its cover blown. And it would frankly generate a lot more questions

00:25:12.180 than answers about every single thing. Once, once Epstein's intelligence ties are confirmed, then

00:25:18.640 what that immediately proceeds to is a, a intense forensic detailed, uh, microscopic investigation

00:25:28.040 into every single thing that Epstein has done. Everyone that he's handled money for every company

00:25:35.080 he's invested in every region he did business in every business leader he met with in order to

00:25:40.300 effectively ask, okay, well, was, was that a CIA operation? Was that, uh, you know, Israeli intelligence,

00:25:46.640 Saudi intelligence, UK intelligence, what every single thing, uh, you know, of, of a storied four

00:25:54.200 decade international, uh, jet setting career then gets opened up and infected by the intelligence

00:26:01.400 label once Epstein does. And so I think that in combination with donor pressure has been, um, has,

00:26:09.700 has created a real bind that has put the white house squarely in the crosshairs of the power

00:26:16.960 struggle between the voting base and the donors who provide the money.

00:26:23.260 Mike Benz, as always, we love having you in the war room. I'm sure people are going to want to get

00:26:27.140 those documents. You're going to be releasing or calling for it tonight. If people want to follow

00:26:30.620 you, watch that. Where can they go to get all things, Mike Benz?

00:26:33.880 Best places on X at Mike Benz cyber. I also have a YouTube channel where I upload, uh,

00:26:40.120 legacy videos at 500 some there as well.

00:26:45.220 Mike Benz, thank you for joining us. And, uh, sorry for all the, the hammer

00:26:48.880 noises and it's, you may have been, been hearing that was not the deep state. We have it on good

00:26:53.220 authority. That was real America. You're always making noise. Uh,

00:26:55.840 I'm sorry. It's not me. I flew down here to do this show and, uh, the set wasn't ready. It's all good.

00:27:03.440 We have a beautiful background. We love, we love Tampa Bay. Uh, in the meantime,

00:27:07.300 we also love of course, Birch gold. So I got to be checking out birch gold.com slash Bannon

00:27:11.100 texting Bannon to nine, eight, nine, eight, nine, eight. It's probably even a better looking asset

00:27:16.120 than everything we got going on behind me here. Fun fact. I think this is a very shallow bay.

00:27:21.120 It's about only 12 feet deep. I Googled that in the break. There you go. I will also add this,

00:27:26.760 right? If you can't get the Epstein stuff, right? How in the heck, how in the hell are we going to get

00:27:31.820 the 2020 election audit, right? The origins of COVID Jan six, this is rudimentary stuff.

00:27:37.400 This is easy. This is basic. All it takes is courage. And when I voted and I'm sure you did

00:27:43.640 too for president Trump, I voted for 2020 election audits and audits of stuff like this going after

00:27:48.660 people like Brennan light clap or all these horrible people who have lied and destroyed this country and

00:27:53.260 probably could be tried for treason, not audits of, I don't know, you know, Patriot missile reserve

00:27:59.820 interceptor reserves and ammo and munitions reserves to make sure that we have enough so we can continue

00:28:05.600 to send more of them to Israel and Ukraine, right? Election audits, not auditing Iran's nuclear program

00:28:12.300 on behalf of foreign countries like Israel or arming Ukraine even more. These are foundational

00:28:19.280 values. But as Steve always says, MAGA, you guys, this audience, we're up for a fight and you're

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00:29:53.440 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:29:56.780 Welcome back to the War Room. We are still here in Tampa. I think the hammers have subsided a little

00:30:07.840 bit. That's good. Not the deep state. Just setting up the stage for Steve. The whole crew are going to

00:30:12.580 be here doing live shows tomorrow throughout the weekend. In this break, I took a quick look at some

00:30:18.040 of the sponsors, the other shows, beautiful booths being set up. I've yet to find the Patriot Mobile

00:30:22.940 booth. You guys know we love the guys over there, Glenn Story. Hardcore Patriots, hence the name.

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00:30:32.260 Bannon. They have a host of deals. Get off all these horrible America-hating and probably

00:30:36.860 compromised networks. That's why we love Patriot Mobile. Now, sort of linking what we were talking

00:30:42.600 about before we went to break, what's going on over at the Pentagon. Obviously, I think that

00:30:47.480 a rare earth mine, the mountain pass, is a huge, huge win for Secretary Hegseth and, frankly, for

00:30:53.360 the country. I want to bring on Will Thiebaud, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, from CRA, who we

00:30:59.040 love so much. For the latest on the NDAA, we've been tracking this a lot, but where we sort of stand

00:31:05.100 in terms of our audience making calls. And then there's some other breaking news I want to get into,

00:31:09.400 but let's just start with hitting everything that's going on with the NDAA.

00:31:11.800 Thanks, Natalie. So, you know, we're in the midst of a few really important weeks for the National

00:31:19.360 Defense Authorization Act. Again, that's this annual, you know, colloquially or otherwise known as

00:31:25.040 must-pass legislation that defines the authorized activities for the Department of Defense against

00:31:32.980 which then money is allocated and appropriators will spend money for the law that is authorized in

00:31:41.020 the National Defense Authorization Act. It is, I think, a generational opportunity for America

00:31:47.340 First conservatives to permanently redefine how the military has functioned. You know, for too long,

00:31:54.220 for decades, we've seen this sclerotic combination of acquisition policy that's inefficient and five

00:32:02.220 years too slow. We've seen diversity, equity, and inclusion take a stranglehold on every military

00:32:07.580 personnel decision and program decision. And, you know, then we see the application of military

00:32:13.660 power in a way that doesn't serve American interests. So let's not let this chance go to waste as an

00:32:20.380 opportunity to ensure that the military serves the American people well throughout the 21st century.

00:32:27.140 This affects a few things. It's everything from ensuring that good states, good conservative states

00:32:32.980 can regulate artificial intelligence and that our AI companies don't run amok over the American way of

00:32:39.420 life. It's about codifying the important changes of Secretary Hegseth and President Trump of ending

00:32:47.180 wokeness in the Pentagon, ridding the bureaucracy of diversity, equity, and inclusion. That should be

00:32:53.220 law. It shouldn't be an executive branch action that ends at the next Democrat president. And then we should

00:32:59.540 ensure that our military isn't beholden to the typical defense industrial base, but is responsive

00:33:05.700 and building the kinds of systems and technology that can deter war. And if it comes to it, win the

00:33:13.740 ones that matter, protect our homeland. It is not enough to rest on conservative laurels and assume that

00:33:22.100 Secretary Hegseth and President Trump have it. They do. They're implementing exceptionally important policy

00:33:28.300 for the nation. But it is still the job of Congress to make sure that's real. So you'll probably see the

00:33:34.560 House and Senate release versions of the NDAA in the next 10 days or two weeks. And that'll be the mark

00:33:41.840 on the line. But what comes next is a little squirrely and uncertain. There are some secret committee votes.

00:33:47.640 There will be, you know, the understanding of what's in the base text or what's an amendment.

00:33:51.740 And it's imperative that that base text of the NDA, the text that is voted on, is as good for America

00:33:59.900 as possible on all the issues I mentioned. You know, when amendment votes happen, that's when you start to

00:34:04.860 have secret ballots. That's when we start to lose accountability over who supports what. And I think

00:34:11.580 the American people should expect a lot more from the conservative majority, the Republican majority,

00:34:18.240 at least in both the House and the Senate. Now is the time to act, you know, perhaps more than any

00:34:24.700 other year. And so it's about holding, you know, appropriately and genuinely the feet of our senators

00:34:32.820 and congressmen to the fire so that they're making permanent the actions of President Trump and

00:34:39.220 Secretary Hegseth. It's a golden opportunity. But I think you're already starting to sense

00:34:44.340 that the blob is going to try and move the NDA in a typical direction that guarantees status quo

00:34:51.600 interests without good change in some of the key areas like we talked about. You know, we have to

00:34:58.840 make sure that the NDA stays focused on the national defense. I guess old habits die hard.

00:35:02.080 And America first formed policy too. Yeah. I'm curious to bring this to the news that just happened

00:35:09.000 today. Speaking of wokeness, speaking of these wins, the sort of distinction between what Secretary Hegseth wants

00:35:13.880 and what was going on before him, obviously a lot of holdovers there. Admiral Donnelly,

00:35:18.620 the person who was responsible for, I guess, commissioning a lot of these drag shows on,

00:35:22.800 if I'm not mistaken, actual Navy vessels for cash prizes. Never thought I'd be saying that,

00:35:28.040 but maybe I guess under Joe Biden, I can actually totally believe that. Walk us through what happened

00:35:32.860 today with him. Right. Natalie, it's a great point to bring up. Admiral Donnelly, frankly,

00:35:39.780 an otherwise exceptional naval officer, but he was in command of the USS Ronald Reagan back in 2017,

00:35:47.600 2018. And during that time, again, this is the first Trump administration, the USS Ronald Reagan hosted

00:35:55.300 Navy-sanctioned drag shows while the aircraft carrier was deployed. This was not, you know,

00:36:02.640 kind of a private offhand activity. This was an official event where the drag queens were awarded

00:36:09.240 cash prizes. And then a lot of those drag queens became official representatives of Navy recruiting

00:36:16.320 efforts. And the point is, and I think this is the point that Secretary Hegseth especially understands,

00:36:24.180 the point is that it's not, you know, frankly, it's kind of absurd to just punish these enlisted

00:36:28.840 service members who are perhaps, you know, confused about a lot of things in life and, you know,

00:36:35.300 doing this during their tour of duty. But the people whom we really need to hold accountable are the

00:36:41.220 senior uniformed military officers who allow this to happen. You know, the point is,

00:36:46.120 this is a disqualifying event to be in command of a ship. And as a lot of your audience knows,

00:36:51.740 when you're in the military, you are in charge for everything that does or does not happen

00:36:56.060 in your ship on your platoon, of your military infantry platoon, right? So Admiral Donnelly was

00:37:01.580 in charge of those sanctioned events, and he allowed drag shows to happen routinely. That's a bad

00:37:07.220 thing. And so, you know, he was promoted once during the first Trump administration, promoted again

00:37:12.600 under President Joe Biden, and he slipped through the cracks of this time around to command the

00:37:18.940 Seventh Fleet. But there's a lot of great opposition from groups like Claremont, CRA, and others to show

00:37:26.520 the administration that, hey, you know, the deep state of the military got one past you. You know,

00:37:33.980 it's okay. These were the first slate of promotions. But now we've got to reel it back in.

00:37:38.520 It's not too late. We don't have to seat that officer as commander of the Seventh Fleet. We can

00:37:44.200 put someone who is not interested in politicizing the military in charge because there are a lot of

00:37:49.220 great naval officers out there who are not interested in promoting drag or paying drag queens thousands

00:37:55.060 of dollars to perform on Navy ships. You know, this is about restoring the principles of warfighting

00:38:00.780 and lethality that President Trump and Secretary Hexeth have been talking about for months now.

00:38:05.820 You know, it's somewhat tragic that Admiral Donnelly got caught up in this, but it is such an

00:38:11.540 important signal to send to the rest of the general and five-grade officer class that no longer will

00:38:18.140 this kind of politicization be tolerated, and it will cost you your career. Because it used to cost

00:38:22.700 you your career to be a conservative or to be pro-life, as it was for Peter Pace under the Obama

00:38:27.520 administration. But now we're restoring the military to lethality and merit, and that's why the story of

00:38:33.560 Admiral Donnelly is so important because it's about the people you put in charge of critical

00:38:38.760 organizations like an aircraft carrier.

00:38:43.480 And, Will, just give me a few minutes. You had a great piece following Operation Midnight Hammer

00:38:48.280 talking about really what is, I think, a quite large vulnerability of the United States that is

00:38:53.680 in terms of drones, particularly cheap drones. We obviously dominate the, you know, high-tech,

00:38:58.760 five-time million-dollar and world-type drone market, but really cheap drones. Obviously,

00:39:03.160 China dominates that market. A lot of the DJI, Hikvision, those type companies are rightfully

00:39:07.160 so banned or on entity lists or whatever blacklisted here in the United States. But just walk the

00:39:12.360 audience through a few minutes. I think it's important for them to know where we stand on that front.

00:39:16.600 Right. The article you referenced, Natalie, you know, wrote one in The American Mind and The Federalist

00:39:24.360 is kind of about moving forward past Operation Midnight Hammer. You know, a lot of rightful,

00:39:29.400 I think, consternation and discussion about that operation. But what should be acknowledged,

00:39:34.440 and I think people of all foreign policy stripes can agree on, is that we used a massive

00:39:40.360 fleet to accomplish that mission. We used probably over half of our functional B-2 bombers. We almost

00:39:49.480 certainly depleted our, excuse me, our bunker buster stockpile by over half. We expended a ton of

00:39:59.400 military resources to make this happen. And that's not insignificant, right? We have to make sure that we

00:40:06.360 can project power in other ways in other theaters. We won't always be able to fly from Missouri to the

00:40:14.040 Middle East and drop these kinds of bombs. China, for example, has hundreds of Fordos. What we need now

00:40:21.320 is a massive fleet of unmanned drones in the air and at sea who can provide for deterrence and lethality

00:40:30.600 in multiple different spheres. That means we have to rapidly expand our acquisition policies to be

00:40:36.600 more flexible and to account for all these great startups that are building drones. Secretary Hexeth

00:40:41.960 just signed a memo today, as a matter of fact, that does just that. But time is of the essence.

00:40:47.000 Ukraine and Russia each build 50,000 drones per month. China is ordering one million one-way attack

00:40:52.440 drones in 2025 alone. In the US, you know, we're just starting to think in terms of quantities like five

00:40:59.080 or 10,000 a year. That's not enough. It's not fast enough. We have to move

00:41:04.440 so that no matter the theater of war, no matter the kind of threat, we're ready to confront it.

00:41:11.640 Because although Operation Midnight Hammer was a pretty stunning show of force, pretty incredible

00:41:15.800 in a lot of ways, it's not necessarily going to scale all the time in other theaters of war.

00:41:22.920 And that's, I think, just the sober-minded assessment of what our military needs to look

00:41:27.080 like into the 21st century. It goes back to the NDA, because the NDA sets the conditions and the

00:41:32.120 framework for what military acquisition needs to look like. So our service members have the weapons

00:41:38.920 that they need to deliver capability when it matters in a way that's repeatable

00:41:44.680 and enduring and in service of the American interest.

00:41:47.080 How about this? Drones, not drag shows. That's, I think, the way for it. I'm sure you would agree.

00:41:55.000 Will, before we have you back on, in the meantime, if the audience wants to stay up

00:41:58.600 to date with everything you and the team over there are working on, where can they go

00:42:02.200 to follow you and call their senators, members of Congress, get engaged in this very critical fight?

00:42:07.320 Yeah, I'm at William Thiebaud. You know, I'm a director of the American Military Project at

00:42:14.200 Claremont, a visiting fellow at CRA. Check out those wonderful organizations, because there's

00:42:18.680 a ton of great work that happens there to, again, keep the military the military. Make sure the

00:42:23.880 institutional integrity is something that serves the American people and not the other way around,

00:42:29.320 that's in a way that's disconnected from American interests.

00:42:32.360 Thank you, sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on soon.

00:42:37.080 Yeah, I hope so. Thanks.

00:42:41.240 Of course. And to link whatever you want to call it, that misprioritization, I think that's

00:42:45.800 probably too euphemistic a term. Frankly, the outright sabotage of the United States military,

00:42:50.600 whether it's drag shows or depleting drone stocks, not having adequate numbers or a number I always

00:42:55.480 like to cite. For every one ship we build, China builds 300, not necessarily all military, but you

00:43:01.320 guys know very well the idea of the concept of military civil fusion, so they all are essentially

00:43:05.960 dormant military vessels. But when you think about those USAID, those State Department,

00:43:11.160 all those bureaucrats, right, who espouse the idea that they're going to sabotage President Trump,

00:43:15.640 that they're going to use these tactics to undermine the America First movement,

00:43:20.360 really makes you wonder how we got here, right, to a place where America's national security,

00:43:25.000 where we need to be opening up mines in the 11th hour, because we don't have adequate

00:43:29.720 rare earth supplies so much so that China can run circles around us in a trade war,

00:43:34.360 and that we have to essentially buckle and give them what they want, because we can't

00:43:38.120 sustain life here in the United States for more than, what, a week or two.

00:43:42.920 All by design on both sides of the trade, China and here in the United States.

00:43:47.320 We'll be right back from Tampa. War Room, don't go anywhere.

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00:45:05.480 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:45:13.640 Welcome back to The War Room. We are here live in Tampa, just ahead of Turning Point's Student Action

00:45:19.800 Summit, which you can't see below me, but there are hundreds of young kids getting their lanyards,

00:45:25.560 their badges, getting ready to attend a bunch of breakout sessions and chapters to focus on

00:45:30.440 their campuses and their communities, how to bring the Turning Point conservative America first MAGA

00:45:34.600 message, you name it, home, which I think is a wonderful thing. And I'm sure for those of you

00:45:38.280 who are maybe feeling slightly defeated right now, it's a wonderful sight to see. I'm sure they're not

00:45:42.600 much younger than I am, but still, even it gives me hope. Something else that gives me hope is,

00:45:47.160 of course, people like Brandon Showalter and Dr. Miriam Grossman who join us now. Dr. Grossman,

00:45:52.840 I want to start with you on the heels of a wonderful event hosted by the FTC, which has

00:45:57.640 been doing wonderful work, really going after the transing, of course, of America's youth.

00:46:03.560 Walk the audience through, I think there's a link if people want to watch it, but what exactly

00:46:07.560 you guys did and then Brandon will bring you in. Well, thank you, Natalie, for having me on.

00:46:13.720 Yesterday really was a watershed moment in this country for,

00:46:19.400 in the fight against the transgender industry. And the reason I say that is because it was the first

00:46:26.840 time that a government agency, the Federal Trade Commission, actually had an entire day

00:46:35.160 in which the microphone was given to the victims of the transgender ideology, meaning young people,

00:46:44.760 their parents who have been harmed and the doctors and therapists and attorneys who are fighting against

00:46:56.040 the ideology. Now, the point of the day was to discuss fraud and to uncover the fraud that's occurring

00:47:06.440 a day in and day out regarding transgender ideology and the way that young people are led to believe

00:47:16.520 things that are just not true. And for example, that they could be born in the wrong body and that they

00:47:22.760 need to have their bodies medically and surgically altered in order to feel better. This is an untruth.

00:47:30.920 There's no evidence of being able to be born in the wrong body. And when young people and their

00:47:36.840 families are sold that falsehood, it's fraud. Furthermore, when they are encouraged that the

00:47:45.480 only solution to their issues, to their suffering, their mental health suffering, is to sign up for hormones

00:47:54.200 and other interventions, surgical interventions, that is also false. That is fraudulent. So we have

00:48:03.400 tens of thousands of people who have been harmed by the fraud of the gender industry. And yesterday,

00:48:11.960 for the first time, we had an entire day of people speaking the truth. And in a government agency,

00:48:20.200 it was amazing. And I really urge your audience to go to the link, I believe that you have it there,

00:48:27.560 the FTC link, and you can watch the entire thing. It's very disturbing that we've reached this point

00:48:37.160 where so many people have been wrongly pulled into these false beliefs about what is a man and what is a

00:48:47.240 woman. Sex is determined at the moment of conception. When the sperm and the egg unite,

00:48:56.840 you have either a male or female life at that time that is permanent, that cannot be changed.

00:49:04.920 And those are the truths that we need to come back to in medicine.

00:49:08.600 Indeed. Return to tradition. Return to truth. Brandon, just give us a few minutes on how this links to the

00:49:17.480 breaking news, kind of about yesterday, today, what the DOJ is doing to sort of complement this.

00:49:24.120 Yes. One of the most encouraging developments from this FTC workshop that Dr. Grossman was a keynote

00:49:30.040 speaker for in the morning was Chad Mizell showing up, Attorney General Pam Bondi's chief of staff.

00:49:35.880 And he announced there, and it has since been put out on the DOJ's website,

00:49:40.040 that 20 subpoenas have been issued toward these clinics and hospitals who have been

00:49:46.840 involved in performing these mutilating surgeries on children. And I just can't

00:49:51.080 say enough how much I appreciate Attorney General Bondi's statement that medical professionals and

00:49:56.040 organizations that mutilated children in service to a warped ideology will be held accountable by this

00:50:01.560 Department of Justice. And I can tell you that Dr. Grossman and other presenters yesterday at this

00:50:07.080 workshop provided ample receipts. There is so much evidence of fraud. And of course, the entire premise

00:50:14.040 of gender ideology is a fraud. It's fraudulent that you can be born in the wrong body. So of course,

00:50:18.760 anything, I said this yesterday and during my panel, anything that begins with a lie is going to do

00:50:24.040 damage. But there's now concrete evidence of so many crimes and false diagnoses, fraudulent practices.

00:50:31.560 And I'm looking forward to seeing what the FTC and the DOJ do. What a difference a year makes.

00:50:39.960 All right, real quick, we're coming up against the end of the show. Dr. Grossman,

00:50:42.600 if people want to follow you, where can they go to stay up to date with everything you guys are working on?

00:50:46.200 I think the best place is probably my website, which is MiriamGrossmanMD.com.

00:50:55.080 Thank you, ma'am. The audience loves you and the work that you guys are doing. And Brandon,

00:50:58.600 where can people go for you? Brandon and Michelle on X, DeadNameDocumentary.com,

00:51:05.320 GenerationIndoctrination.com. And I would just echo Dr. Grossman's words. And now Steve,

00:51:10.520 the entire FTC workshop that has already been archived and it's on their website. I send it to your

00:51:15.240 producer so the War Room Posse can watch it in full if they so desire.

00:51:18.920 Amazing. Thank you, sir. Thank you, the two of you, the work you guys are doing. Let's just hope,

00:51:24.600 not hope, make it so, use action, action, action, that Bondi brings the same justice and protections

00:51:31.080 for the kids who were victimized by Epstein and his elite cabal type associates. Of course,

00:51:37.720 before we jump to our final guests, you can probably hear the young Turning Point kids getting

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Bannon's War Room - July 10, 2025

Episode 4623： Epstein CoverUp; Reducing Spending For Defense

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