Bannon's War Room - July 14, 2025


Episode 4629: The War Is Coming To US


Episode Stats

Length

54 minutes

Words per Minute

170.77106

Word Count

9,387

Sentence Count

651

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

32


Summary

Jeffrey Epstein was a brilliant math teacher in the late 70s and early 80s who went on to become one of the most powerful men in the world. He was also a serial pedophile, who, according to the New York Times, was involved in the sexual abuse of teenage girls. But why did he go from being a math teacher to having multiple airplanes, a private island, and the largest residential house in Manhattan? Where did all the money come from? And who was he working for?


Transcript

00:00:00.120 And so the real question is not, was Jeffrey Epstein a weirdo who was abusing girls?
00:00:05.800 Yes, we can answer that.
00:00:07.460 The real question is, why was he doing this, on whose behalf, and where did the money come from?
00:00:12.260 And those are the questions that need to be answered.
00:00:15.140 And I think it's entirely fair to ask them.
00:00:18.000 And it's not adequate to say anyone who asked them is somehow desecrating the memory of little girls who died in Texas.
00:00:24.280 They're not going to put up with that answer.
00:00:25.820 I don't care who gives that answer.
00:00:27.660 That is not acceptable.
00:00:28.920 And I think the real answer is, Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, probably not American.
00:00:35.840 And we have every right to ask, on whose behalf was he working?
00:00:40.480 How does a guy go from being a math teacher at the Dalton School in the late 70s with no college degree,
00:00:46.680 to having multiple airplanes, a private island, and the largest residential house in Manhattan?
00:00:53.260 Where did all the money come from?
00:00:55.200 And no one has ever gotten to the bottom of that because no one has ever tried.
00:00:58.920 And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government.
00:01:06.500 Now, no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty.
00:01:15.720 There is nothing wrong with saying that there is nothing hateful about saying that there's nothing anti-Semitic about saying there's something even anti-Israel about saying that I've spent my entire life pretty much in Washington,
00:01:26.960 where I knew and loved a number of people, including one very close person, who worked at CIA.
00:01:32.820 That has never prohibited me from saying, I think the CIA has done some horrible things.
00:01:38.600 Murdered a bunch of people, participated in the murder of a sitting U.S. president.
00:01:42.440 It's got a whole trail of crimes.
00:01:44.660 That doesn't make me a disloyal American.
00:01:46.380 It doesn't make me anti-American in any sense.
00:01:48.360 I was born here.
00:01:48.960 My family's been here for hundreds of years.
00:01:50.280 I love this country.
00:01:51.480 That's why I live here.
00:01:53.100 So criticizing the behavior of a government agency does not make you a hater.
00:01:58.220 It makes you a free person.
00:02:00.640 It makes you a citizen.
00:02:02.000 You're allowed to do that because you're not a slave.
00:02:06.260 You're a citizen.
00:02:07.200 Because I've argued for this from the beginning, that in that arc of looking at how the deep state has tried to stop Trump and the MAGA movement,
00:02:17.060 you can easily fit in the Epstein situation, right?
00:02:22.900 If you want the full release of documents, the special prosecutor gets it.
00:02:26.640 And here's why.
00:02:28.060 Epstein is a key that picks the lock on so many things, not just individuals, but also institutions,
00:02:35.120 intelligence institutions, foreign governments, and who is working with him on our intelligence apparatus and in our government.
00:02:44.240 This is why it's a time for choosing now.
00:02:46.820 We have to decide right now and back the president and say, hey, look, all of your great work.
00:02:53.060 You just heard Tom Holman.
00:02:54.140 You're about to hear Kristi Noem of closing the border.
00:02:57.460 How did we get 10 or 11 or 12 or 20 million on Biden's watch?
00:03:03.540 That was absolutely, that was a plan they had.
00:03:06.880 That wasn't random.
00:03:08.080 That has to be investigated and people held accountable like all these other things.
00:03:12.120 This is why the Justice Department is clearly overwhelmed with what they're working on.
00:03:15.860 The FBI is overwhelmed.
00:03:17.300 We only have two guys at the FBI.
00:03:19.400 We have a handful of people at the Justice Department.
00:03:21.640 The special counsel or special prosecutor can take on many projects and add people to it.
00:03:27.260 You have to get to the bottom of how the invasion took place.
00:03:30.060 Why we now have to put up $170 billion in the latest bill to do this?
00:03:37.400 Why is this issue so important to the MAGA base?
00:03:41.920 Steve Bannon explained it pretty well in the clip that you showed from the Turning Point conference.
00:03:47.120 And this was a theme.
00:03:48.180 You saw the conference split between people who work for Trump or running for office who didn't talk about this and every other influencer who did.
00:03:55.000 And the Bannon perspective, which is widely shared, is that there is a deep state that, if you can cover this up, can cover up who knows how many crimes against Donald Trump, crimes against the American people.
00:04:06.400 If there must be something hidden in the Epstein record that would embarrass, much like the Church Commission 40 years ago, 50 years ago, I should say, embarrass the security state.
00:04:17.560 There must be that material in the Epstein files, TBD, unproven so far.
00:04:21.940 The other part of it is that from the people who were booing in that audience is a real belief that there are people walking.
00:04:28.700 You were talking about Epstein walking down Palm Beach.
00:04:30.840 People like that walking free right now who committed terrible crimes that have not been that have not been exposed.
00:04:36.380 And based on what happened here, would never be exposed.
00:04:39.020 And so I would say that the anger is being redirected by these influencers a little bit away from Trump towards Pam Bondi.
00:04:45.720 You saw it in that Megyn Kelly clip.
00:04:47.320 A theme there in our reporting, Shelby Talcott's reporting Axios, back this up, is that Ben Pungino and, to a lesser extent, Patel are seen as the people who were pushing from the outside,
00:04:57.760 even more than Trump was for four years at this need to be released, that Bondi can't be trusted because she's a glory hog in the way that Kelly was putting it.
00:05:06.180 But it comes from these two fears.
00:05:09.380 One, that there are real crimes people got away with.
00:05:11.880 Two, is that if you expose those real crimes, think of the tumbles that can crumble in front of Donald Trump.
00:05:17.480 Why don't they want to do that?
00:05:18.580 That's the question the base has.
00:05:20.120 The president has been considering you as the successor to Jay Powell.
00:05:25.600 He said some very nice things about you to me recently when I was talking with him.
00:05:30.860 Powell's term is up in May, but there's also an opening in the Federal Reserve in January.
00:05:36.180 Would you be poised to accept the position on the board in January?
00:05:41.340 I had that job.
00:05:42.700 I was a governor for six years during the financial crisis.
00:05:45.980 It's a great job to have.
00:05:47.720 It's up to the president to make whatever decisions he wants.
00:05:50.760 But I think what we need is regime change at the Fed.
00:05:53.820 And that's not just about the chairman.
00:05:55.500 It's about a whole range of people.
00:05:57.440 It's about changing their mindset and their models.
00:06:00.120 And frankly, it's about breaking some heads because the way they've been doing business is not working.
00:06:04.660 Maybe in New York, maybe in Washington, people think that it's great to have a Fed chair as a martyr.
00:06:10.340 But that's not what the American people need.
00:06:11.840 They need a reformer to fix this so that the Federal Reserve can get on the right side.
00:06:16.760 I'll just leave you with this, Maria.
00:06:18.760 This period reminds me of the 1990s.
00:06:21.880 What's happening now is the most transformative time in American economic history in a very long time.
00:06:27.460 Productivity should be booming in the next five to ten years because of technology.
00:06:32.860 The U.S. should be at the very forefront of that.
00:06:35.520 The president calls it the golden age, and he could well be right about this.
00:06:38.920 Alan Greenspan kept rates low because he knew these policies were structurally disinflationary.
00:06:44.640 The Fed doesn't have that view, and they're working against that agenda.
00:06:47.520 If you recognize what an important moment this is, the Fed needs to be part of it, and the Fed needs to understand where we are in our economic future.
00:06:55.960 We talk about Putin not being nice.
00:06:59.700 On some nights last week, more than 700 drones and missiles were over Ukraine, many of them over Kyiv.
00:07:08.440 The damage was largely in civilian areas.
00:07:12.740 These were not, for the most part, military targets.
00:07:15.540 So, yeah, that's not nice.
00:07:17.760 So, for six months now, President Trump has been alternating between making threats about Russia and returning to his initial hope that he could negotiate a peace deal.
00:07:28.240 He finally seems to understand that without more pressure, he's not going to get anything like a resolution of this conflict,
00:07:35.840 which he often speaks about emotionally.
00:07:37.880 He speaks about the death on the battlefield, hundreds and thousands of people killed.
00:07:43.560 So, what this package involves, as he said, is the U.S. selling weapons to our NATO allies in Europe,
00:07:51.440 who will then probably give them to Ukraine.
00:07:54.660 And they'll include, most importantly, given this barrage on Ukrainian cities, Patriot missiles,
00:08:01.800 which are really the only defense against the big ballistic missiles that Russia has been firing,
00:08:06.580 and a range of other weapons.
00:08:08.500 We don't know yet exactly whether they'll include deep strike weapons.
00:08:13.860 That would be a significant escalation if the U.S. does put Moscow in range.
00:08:18.340 That would be a big change from the limits that the Biden administration had imposed,
00:08:23.560 typically 200 kilometers into Russia, not all the way to Moscow.
00:08:27.460 So, we'll wait and see about the details of the package.
00:08:30.900 There are two issues that I would underline for your viewers.
00:08:34.540 One is whether these new weapons, offensive and defensive,
00:08:40.040 will be enough to change Vladimir Putin's calculus about whether this war is worth continuing.
00:08:46.200 And the second is whether these new weapons and Trump's support for Ukraine is sustainable.
00:08:53.000 Trump on Ukraine, as on so many other issues, has oscillated.
00:08:57.380 One week he's here, another week he's there.
00:09:00.400 And what Ukraine needs, as financial markets need, is reliability and predictability.
00:09:06.320 They're fighting a war.
00:09:07.960 Morale questions in this war, I think, are increasingly important.
00:09:11.200 The Russians plan to launch an offensive through the summer and gain significant territory.
00:09:17.720 So, it's a moment for clear, sustained U.S. policy.
00:09:21.900 We'll see today when Trump meets with the NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta,
00:09:26.780 a European Trump-likes because he's been a supporter of Trump's defense build-up policies.
00:09:33.000 We'll see exactly what the details are.
00:09:34.800 But again, the question is, can it be sustained, and will it actually change Putin's mind?
00:09:39.700 We'll see you next time.
00:10:09.680 In my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:10:14.060 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:10:17.840 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:10:24.100 War Room.
00:10:25.060 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:10:27.440 It's Monday, 14 July in the year of our Lord, 2025, with so much going on.
00:10:38.680 The rescission package up for a vote.
00:10:41.100 Looks like an economic resurgent with President Trump's policies.
00:10:45.020 Markets are on fire right now.
00:10:47.600 Unfortunately, the Albon mark, I'll talk about that, about people figuring out how we're going to pay for all this.
00:10:54.340 With all this going on, and this controversy about the institutions of the United States, we'll refer to the deep state.
00:11:00.360 You just heard Kevin Warsh there.
00:11:03.240 Maria yesterday, Kevin Warsh is probably the most steadiest of the steady eddies.
00:11:08.080 He's talking about regime change at the Federal Reserve, not just replacing the chairman who is under onslaught by OMB, our good friend Russ Vogt, and others, for $2.5 billion spending on, I guess, redoing the temple of the Federal Reserve.
00:11:25.540 He's under onslaught there.
00:11:26.960 Warsh is flat out running to be Fed chair.
00:11:30.800 He's talking about regime change to basically clear out the entire building.
00:11:34.400 Obviously, he started with Tucker, myself, others.
00:11:36.720 I think Dave Weigel gave an absolutely – Dave Weigel from Semaphore gave a great summary of what the weekend was about, about this institutional, the deep state, who actually runs the country.
00:11:47.700 Hey, and I keep saying the three most powerful institutions in Washington, D.C. are the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Reserve, and CENCOM down in Tampa, Florida, and in the Middle East.
00:11:58.720 We're going to get all into that today.
00:12:01.020 We're going to have to – we're going to call some audibles here.
00:12:04.180 The Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, a Dutch politician who is quite close to President Trump because he's the one guy that backed, at least eventually, NATO increasing their spending.
00:12:18.400 They're increasing their spending because of Ukraine.
00:12:20.420 It doesn't really hit into 2035, but at least directionally, it's correct.
00:12:23.820 He's coming to the White House for consultation of an expanded American role in the Ukraine war.
00:12:31.180 Actually, I think for many of the people in the America First movement, it's quite shocking that today we're actually talking about a major offensive – not just defensive weapons,
00:12:41.360 Patriot missiles that they're stripping out of the Indo-Pacific to thwart off any type of invasion of Taiwan.
00:12:47.900 You know, we had the Taiwan ambassador on last week, ambassador to the United States, about the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Navy actually doing rehearsals for an invasion.
00:12:58.780 But now over the weekend, it's talked about not just a huge package of defensive weapons and Patriot missiles, but actually offensive weapons and weapons that – from the United States, of course, sold through NATO that could be – give the Ukrainians offensive capability, not simply offensive capability,
00:13:17.680 but something that heretofore we've been adamantly opposed to.
00:13:20.200 Even the Biden administration wouldn't do that, or if they did it, they did it on the side.
00:13:24.540 But the ability to hit Moscow, as I've said, you know, the convergence, and you've got Bibi Netanyahu and, you know, Tel Aviv Levin and the Israel First crowd cheering on, you know, regime change in Iran.
00:13:42.200 They said, by Labor Day, you know, let's take the 1st of September, always a memorable day for European wars.
00:13:49.540 You're going to see the merger of these two conflicts.
00:13:51.180 We are rapidly moving – inexorably being drawn in to a major war on the Eurasian landmass in Ukraine where we will be a combatant, and we're being also drawn in – they continue to try to draw us in.
00:14:07.100 President Trump's taking a pretty tough line to be drawn into a regime change conflict in Iran, and those two are going to merge.
00:14:16.400 So all the people said, oh, with Third World War to start, Third World War is here, bro.
00:14:20.860 Been here.
00:14:22.340 Millions dead or wounded already, and it's about to get a lot nastier.
00:14:27.300 It's about to get – we're going to go up a couple of notches.
00:14:30.840 In the United States, by supplying offensive capabilities is now just like in the first – in the 12-day war.
00:14:37.000 You're going to go from a supplier of weapons to someone that helps them figure out how to use them to, you know, join in as a combatant on the defensive side to join in as a combatant on the offensive side, regardless of whether NATO is the middleman or not.
00:14:51.940 NATO Secretary General at the White House, we have Dan Caldwell, Ben Harnwell from Rome next in the war room.
00:14:58.280 This July, there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro, the bloc of emerging superpowers, including China, Russia, India, and Persia, are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency.
00:15:15.160 They're calling this the Rio Reset.
00:15:18.820 As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for U.S. dollars will decrease, bringing down the value of the dollar in your savings.
00:15:26.960 While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio.
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00:16:27.780 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:30.280 Nothing like going next level in the Third World War, which is already here.
00:16:41.200 Don't let any of these people say, oh, in the 12-day war we didn't, you know, all these people panic and they were all worried about the Third World War.
00:16:47.660 The Third World War is here in the two fronts of it right now.
00:16:53.420 And those two fronts are of little interest to people in the United States about the vital national security interests of the United States of America.
00:17:02.320 Here's what's important in the vital national security interests of the United States, which we have preached this gospel now for years.
00:17:08.900 The southern border and the invasion of 10 to, I don't know, 20 or 30 million illegal aliens, but at least 10 to 20 on Biden's watch and to deport them out of this country immediately as a national security concern.
00:17:23.560 Number two is in East Asia, the beginning of the Third Island chain, where the Chinese Communist Party is getting ready, rehearsing a potential invasion of Taiwan, which if you think all this, you know, all the AI guys and, hey, we're going to have this great economy and productivity is going to increase and stock markets are going to go to the moon.
00:17:43.760 Everybody's going to get a much better job where they have to do very little because AI is going to do it for you.
00:17:48.220 Well, that's not going to happen if Taiwan falls in the chip manufacturers over there.
00:17:53.560 Become under the control of the Chinese Communist Party or destroyed.
00:17:57.340 The United States, our economy will drop, I don't know, 10, 15 percent without access to those chips because the factories in Arizona and, you know, in Phoenix area, in Ohio and other places, they're not going to be ready for a decade.
00:18:13.380 And the production of these advanced chips, if you study it, is a science and an art, just not going to magically wave a wand and say you're going to be able to do it.
00:18:24.960 That's a long-term project we've argued for years that we need to do.
00:18:29.520 But now we're in a terrible situation.
00:18:32.580 And this is not wag the dog.
00:18:33.880 A lot of people are saying, well, this is all wag the dog to get off from the Epstein and all the other stuff.
00:18:37.380 No, and we have to pursue both of those.
00:18:39.320 John Solomon being in the second hour about this situation with an investigation into the deep states that's going to go, and I believe they will announce a special prosecutor, I think, sometime later this week or next week.
00:18:51.660 And Mike Benz is going to be, you know, the great Mike Benz is going to go through, we're going to talk about the Central Intelligence Agency and other aspects of this, of Epstein and other things about the CIA right now and the fantastic job the CIA is doing.
00:19:05.560 And, like, who are they actually working for and who are they working with right now and what intelligence are we getting?
00:19:11.220 But we have to deal with what's in front of us.
00:19:13.820 The Secretary General of NATO was not scheduled to come.
00:19:17.340 That was kind of put on the calendar here in the last couple of days.
00:19:20.000 Why is that?
00:19:20.640 Folks better start paying attention.
00:19:22.700 I said this for the last two weeks.
00:19:24.940 The most important story out here we're not spending enough time on is Ukraine.
00:19:28.720 Why?
00:19:29.860 Because that's a big-ass war, okay?
00:19:33.460 There's two million people dead or wounded already, and parts of Ukraine look like the Western Front in World War I, or parts of it look like Dresden in World War II.
00:19:44.780 This is old-fashioned, pound-it-out war, okay?
00:19:48.860 This is not global war and terror.
00:19:50.420 This is not little.
00:19:51.300 This is, you know, you have one million, and I'm getting these numbers from Ian Bremmer, and President Trump has said it a number of times.
00:19:58.560 You have one million dead and wounded Ukrainians, and that includes military and civilians.
00:20:04.420 And you have a million dead and wounded Russian, principally troops.
00:20:09.760 So this package, they – the package over the weekend is kind of shocking.
00:20:14.060 You know, and Putin – in President Trump's defense, or he doesn't need a defense, an explanation, on July 3rd in the morning after a package was announced that they were going to withhold new missile packages to Ukraine, I think, earlier in that week from the Pentagon.
00:20:33.980 And we don't know actually who actually informed President Trump, or even if they did.
00:20:39.300 He had a call on the morning of the 3rd of July with Putin, and he's the first to say, hey, it didn't go very well.
00:20:46.280 Axios reported that Putin said, hey, look, this is a bilateral – the ceasefire is a bilateral negotiation.
00:20:50.860 You guys took a shot.
00:20:51.640 We appreciate it, but we've got this, and kind of cut President Trump off and implied that there's going to be a summer offensive.
00:21:00.040 And Applebaum later that day over the Atlantic reported that there's a 675,000-man army that the Russians have put together.
00:21:07.500 This was a – remember, this was – you heard from David Ignatius of the Langley Bugle, right, the head of the comms department for the CIA.
00:21:16.320 Ignatius told us that, you know, the Russians were beating their economy.
00:21:19.140 It was in a tank.
00:21:19.900 They couldn't go anywhere.
00:21:20.660 It couldn't do anything.
00:21:21.180 So they put – they have no troops.
00:21:22.560 Everybody's deserting.
00:21:23.740 675,000 troops.
00:21:25.840 This is an Applebaum, not Trump, not war room.
00:21:29.500 You know, she's a hater.
00:21:30.660 675,000 troops that are ready for a summer offensive, I think principally focused on Odessa.
00:21:37.540 And that afternoon after Putin had this not particularly pleasant phone call with President Trump, they lit up on the 3rd – in the evening of the 3rd, Kiev as bad as it's been lit up, and they've kind of continued since then.
00:21:50.900 Drone attacks, missile attacks, missile attacks, air attacks, et cetera.
00:21:54.540 So now we're in a situation not only going to strip the Indo-Pacific some more.
00:21:59.900 You know, Korea and the defense of Taiwan, which is vital to the United States.
00:22:05.140 That is in the vital national security interests of the United States, no matter how much some of my America First colleagues even hate the discussion of that.
00:22:14.300 That's a reality.
00:22:15.860 Not on principles of democracy or these people have been free for 40 – all that.
00:22:20.760 That's all terrific, and I think that's a big – that's an element.
00:22:23.820 But the real politique element is without those advanced – without the production of the advanced chip design, we don't really have an economy, to be blunt.
00:22:33.580 And I would dare anybody to show me a report that says we can go along without them.
00:22:38.460 That's just – that's like the southern border of the United States.
00:22:40.860 That is in the vital national security interests of the United States, not all these side deals.
00:22:45.720 The Middle East, nothing in the Middle East is in the vital national security interests of the United States, just not.
00:22:51.180 And certainly Ukraine, not even in the top 50.
00:22:53.480 It's maybe in Europe's interest, and they said they're going to get to 5%.
00:22:58.280 Oh, yeah, but that's going to come in 2035.
00:23:01.360 So RUTE is over today because this package is now about offensive weapons, and so I bring Dan Caldwell in, Ben Harnwell is with us.
00:23:08.540 Caldwell, so make me feel better on this.
00:23:11.420 This offensive package, at least what they're talking about, and they haven't defined it yet, but there's a lot of reporting in the paper.
00:23:17.260 I don't know how good some of this reporting is, but they're talking about not just, you know, not just Patriot missiles, but offensive capability that could be – when they say offensive, maybe even missiles that could hit Moscow.
00:23:30.260 What's your assessment of this with your sources, sir?
00:23:33.920 Well, just as you said, we don't know yet what exactly is going to be in this package.
00:23:39.340 It could be a situation where the Europeans are simply buying stuff that we were already going to send anyways.
00:23:45.380 And this allows President Trump to claim a victory.
00:23:48.580 It helps us not add more to our debt.
00:23:52.440 And, you know, in the long term, it hopefully helps out the supply situation a little better than if we just sent things over.
00:23:59.180 Now, if they do provide long-range weapons, which so far has been resisted by this administration, I think here's the important point, Steve, is that it's not going to fundamentally change the dynamics of this war.
00:24:12.080 It is not going to give Ukraine a significantly enhanced battlefield position.
00:24:20.600 Because as you pointed out, this is really about a war of mass.
00:24:25.160 It's a war of quantity.
00:24:26.920 And the reality is that the West doesn't have enough weapons to sustain Ukraine for much longer at the current rate.
00:24:35.100 And here's another reality, even if the West did not de-industrialize and we still had a real defense industrial base, is Ukraine just simply doesn't have enough people.
00:24:45.180 You have had about 8 million people leave the country.
00:24:48.340 As you talked about, there could be up to a million casualties on the Ukrainian side.
00:24:53.120 And Russia has a three-to-one manpower advantage.
00:24:55.480 So, providing the long-range weapons, in my view, is very high risk and, even in the best scenario, low reward.
00:25:05.000 And it's important to note, the Russians have been anticipating this move for a long time.
00:25:10.320 So, what they have done is that they've hardened up their airfields, their other critical defense infrastructure in their western part of the country.
00:25:18.100 They've moved certain assets out of range of these weapons.
00:25:20.760 And so, again, it's not going to really impact the battlefield.
00:25:24.020 But what it could do is, is you could have the Ukrainians do something reckless, like they did during Operation Spiderweb, and attach strategic nuclear targets or civilian targets, which invite more Russian escalation.
00:25:37.440 And there's a risk that the Russians put that on us.
00:25:39.900 Hang on.
00:25:40.900 When you say reckless, is it reckless for us?
00:25:43.980 I mean, their backs are through the wall.
00:25:45.200 They're getting pounded.
00:25:45.920 Look, we have been adamantly opposed to this war from the evening before it started, and we said what was going to happen.
00:25:52.640 But the valor and courage of the Ukrainian people, who Mersheimer and we agree are being led down the Primrose Path, their backs are through the wall.
00:26:00.580 They keep getting pounded like this, right?
00:26:03.200 And now they start an offensive, which I think will head to Odessa.
00:26:06.020 But they'll try to go up to the line of where the most they can take, you know, a third of Ukraine or more.
00:26:13.580 You can't – how are we going to sit here?
00:26:15.640 Because the media is going to be all into it.
00:26:17.660 Besiege Ukraine is going to strike back.
00:26:20.480 And those brothers have proven they did something Curtis LeMay only fantasized about.
00:26:24.980 These people are very innovative.
00:26:27.320 They're very courageous.
00:26:28.260 They're very bold, right?
00:26:29.980 They get hit, Moscow, and something – this is my point, folks.
00:26:34.120 We're on the precipice of something that's not in our control.
00:26:36.980 We're about to arm people right now.
00:26:39.060 We have literally no control over them.
00:26:41.860 We think we have control, and we don't have control over them.
00:26:43.780 Spider-Web showed you that when they went in and took out a third – they tried to take out a third of the strategic triad of the Russians.
00:26:52.580 And the Russians not just have long memories.
00:26:54.380 Look how they fight.
00:26:55.520 It's a 675,000-man conscript army put together.
00:27:00.100 And quite frankly, Putin and these guys, the KGB, they don't care how many Russians die.
00:27:05.600 Look at World War II, World War I and World War II.
00:27:09.520 When they grind, they grind, right?
00:27:11.340 It's for Mother Russia, and they're going to grind this.
00:27:13.480 And now we've got somebody with their back against the wall that is capable of anything, and we're giving them – in this weapons package, if you give them these type of offensive capabilities, regardless of who the middleman is, this is about this thing spinning out of control.
00:27:29.120 World War I and the guns of August spun out of control.
00:27:33.060 World War II spun out of control and ended in a war of annihilation and vengeance, right?
00:27:38.240 The firebombing of Tokyo, obviously the nuclear weapons to end the war without a million American casualties, infantry casualties.
00:27:48.200 These things spin out of control.
00:27:50.680 They all spin out of control, like World War I, World War II, because this is not global war and terror.
00:27:56.140 This is old-fashioned, pounded out.
00:27:58.260 And now we're prepared because the Russians have played hardball, and the Europeans have not stood up quickly enough to defend this.
00:28:07.720 This is a jam.
00:28:08.440 And this is going to merge with the Middle East War.
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00:30:08.820 Okay, we are awaiting the Secretary General of the United Nations, who is at the White House today.
00:30:21.240 President Trump, I think, was supposed to have a series of events with evangelicals and faith-based leaders.
00:30:28.500 I think he's still going to do that, and Real America's Voice will cover it.
00:30:31.200 But the intense military situation in Ukraine has called for his attention that the Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, a Dutch politician, quite close to President Trump, I think is arriving momentarily.
00:30:49.200 It's close to the press, but our own Brian Glenn is hanging around, and we may be able to get in and get some questions.
00:30:56.520 We're going to see.
00:30:56.880 We're going to call audibles this morning.
00:30:58.400 So, Caldwell, we are clearly going up the escalatory ladder.
00:31:05.360 President Trump is saying that, hey, he gave Putin every chance.
00:31:08.240 He tried to accommodate him, talk to him, and, you know, I think his point of view is not just the Russian rapprochement they're trying to negotiate, but even a ceasefire in Ukraine, it doesn't appear.
00:31:21.180 And here's what the American people have to understand, folks.
00:31:23.280 So write this down.
00:31:24.260 Get your number two pencil out.
00:31:25.480 The Americans want a ceasefire.
00:31:30.100 I think maybe even certain of the Europeans want a ceasefire.
00:31:34.140 The folks running the deal, and the troops in Russia, right, the conscripts, and their parents want a ceasefire, right?
00:31:42.660 The Ukrainian parents who won't let their kids and won't approve a national conscription to get more of the under 25-year-olds in, they want a ceasefire.
00:31:53.300 The American people would have their sons and daughters go over there, and more money want a ceasefire.
00:32:00.800 Here's who doesn't want a ceasefire.
00:32:03.240 The KGB, the guys running the deal in Moscow, no way.
00:32:06.480 They're going to go to this, they get Odessa, and maybe more.
00:32:08.820 The KGB, the guys running the deal in Kiev, who did Spiderweb, the guys running the deal in Kiev have no interest because without this war, they're gone.
00:32:22.300 Bye-bye in the Karkar, okay?
00:32:24.160 Out.
00:32:24.500 Also, many elements of the deep state, Spiderweb, as Dan Caldwell always reminds me, was not just pulled off by the Ukrainians.
00:32:33.260 It was pulled off by the intelligence services and the military of the United States, probably in Wiesbaden, Germany, helped coordinate it, clearly with some very smart elements of the Ukrainian thing.
00:32:45.500 So we're in a situation, Caldwell, where the two principal combatants have no interest in – all they want to do is escalate, and they're looking for partners to help them escalate.
00:32:58.140 And right now, because Putin has just told Trump, hey, look, you took a shot.
00:33:01.880 Thanks for the memories, but I got this.
00:33:04.460 Just butt out.
00:33:05.880 And he's going to do what he does.
00:33:08.180 We're going up the escalatory ladder.
00:33:09.880 Sir, this is why the Secretary General of NATO is coming and having a morning cup of coffee at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue this morning, sir.
00:33:20.000 Yeah, I have to say, Ruda is very slick.
00:33:23.520 I met him in February.
00:33:26.100 Honestly, if they would have appointed Kajakalas, who's this just monster from Estonia, the former prime minister who makes up stories about being oppressed by the communists,
00:33:37.040 I obviously think there's a world we would have pulled out of NATO, but Ruda's very slick.
00:33:42.300 Look, you made a point about who has an interest in escalating this.
00:33:47.860 You, I think, were alluding to this, is that we think of a lot of these entities, whether we're talking about Ukraine and Russia or Europe as unitary, that they all are on the same page about everything.
00:33:58.440 In a lot of cases, they aren't.
00:33:59.600 Even within Ukrainian governments, there are a lot of people that either didn't know about Operation Spiderweb or were opposed to it because the next day they were going to Istanbul for peace talks.
00:34:09.880 And that gets to your point about what a lot of these weapons and operations are really about.
00:34:15.780 They're not changing the battlefield dynamic.
00:34:18.100 They're about delaying peace negotiations, delaying a rapprochement between Russia or the United States or Russia and NATO or, you know, actually ending the war in Ukraine because there are a lot of vested interests in continuing the war.
00:34:34.920 To be more specific in Ukraine, that's probably, for being honest, you're Mok and Zelensky.
00:34:39.660 The war is over.
00:34:40.800 They're probably gone.
00:34:41.660 There's a lot of Baltic states that, for a variety of reasons, some of the loudest supporters of Ukraine want the war to continue, either because they believe that they're next, which is a legitimate fear, although there's not really evidence that Putin has the same designs on those countries as he does on Ukraine because of the historical relations with those countries.
00:35:02.360 There are other people in Europe that want the war to continue, and there's people here in the United States that want the war to continue for a variety of reasons.
00:35:09.180 But I would just say this, is that for the United States, if the Russians and Ukrainians are going to keep at it, if neither side is serious about a ceasefire, we need to reach a point where we assess we need to walk away.
00:35:25.320 And that gets to your point you were making at the beginning of the show about we cannot sustain this conflict indefinitely.
00:35:32.220 We are making way too many tradeoffs against our readiness in the Indo-Pacific, even things that we're trying to do here at home.
00:35:41.300 All those additional troops we deployed to Eastern Europe, in Romania, in Poland, and elsewhere, a lot of those troops are the same types of troops we're deploying to the southern border, and we're drawing from the same types of units.
00:35:53.980 And so there are real tradeoffs at play here, and so we're rapidly approaching a point where we have to make some really tough decisions that, honestly, we should have made long ago.
00:36:04.220 And just one final point on this.
00:36:06.160 Look, I just say I've been to Ukraine.
00:36:09.900 I went to Ukraine last year, went to Odessa.
00:36:11.860 Odessa, I've met some incredibly brave Ukrainians and some incredibly brave people doing this.
00:36:17.480 And you talk to a lot of them in private, almost to a T.
00:36:21.340 They don't like the fact that Russians have invaded and ruined their country, but they know that they're not getting Crimea back.
00:36:27.500 They know that they're not getting the Donbass back.
00:36:31.060 It's just their leaders in Kyiv, for the most part, not all of them, even some of them that have been very hawkish,
00:36:36.500 they know that this war is going to end in a negotiated settlement, and that these moves, these escalatory moves now only benefit certain groups of people.
00:36:45.700 It's going to end in an escalatory settlement.
00:36:48.640 Here's why, by not getting it, the guys in Odessa are going to be part of that negotiation.
00:36:54.060 They're not going to get Crimea back.
00:36:55.720 They know that.
00:36:56.280 They're not going to get Donbass back.
00:36:57.560 We said that from the beginning.
00:36:59.560 Now they're going to make a move on Odessa, and then you've got a real problem.
00:37:05.280 Ben Harnwell, hang on, Dan.
00:37:08.360 Ben Harnwell, first off, they just changed the government today.
00:37:11.980 Aren't they changing the deck chairs over there?
00:37:14.200 Zelensky's changing around the first time since the beginning of the war.
00:37:17.060 They're getting some new faces, some fresh faces in this for the American media, sir.
00:37:24.080 Yes, Steve, good morning to you.
00:37:25.780 They've pulled the guy Schmeagel, who's not a character in Lord of the Rings, who is a character in Lord of the Rings,
00:37:32.640 but he's also, up until today, the prime minister of Ukraine, I think, since 2020.
00:37:37.820 He's now out, and Zelensky has done a switcheroo and put in the lady who was negotiating the minerals deal,
00:37:47.260 the aborted minerals deal.
00:37:48.680 Look, I'm going to cast my cynical beady eyes on this one, Steve, and tell you just how I see this.
00:37:56.520 And it's a very cynical reading, okay, but it's basically this.
00:38:00.060 If I were to give a pitch to President Trump, it would be this.
00:38:04.300 Mr. President, sir, there is, amongst your voters, amongst the people who support you and come out and fight for you,
00:38:10.300 there is no political victory for you in a military victory in Ukraine.
00:38:18.320 And that's how I would frame this.
00:38:20.900 Nobody who has been out supporting Donald Trump, since Zelensky basically humiliated POTUS in the first term
00:38:29.660 over the perfect phone call and all the fallout of that and the impeachment that fell out of that,
00:38:36.980 this movement, and I know this because, as I say again and again and again,
00:38:41.340 I read every comment that's posted on Geta, this movement is 98% opposed to any support whatsoever for Ukraine.
00:38:50.800 And as much as the story is today, as you and Dan Coldwell are talking about,
00:38:55.760 this news that has emerged primarily via Axios of a potential weapons deal regarding the Patriot missiles,
00:39:05.260 I actually think the biggest story came a couple of days ago, courtesy of Margaret Brennan over at CBS.
00:39:13.460 It's a story that I haven't seen in any of the media.
00:39:17.900 I've not seen it denied by the White House, but I will simply repeat it,
00:39:22.780 and I will post this out on Geta and Rumble.
00:39:25.580 And that is that the president is considering extra fresh financial aid for Zelensky,
00:39:34.580 $3.85 billion left over from the drawdown, the presidential drawdown authority under the Biden regime.
00:39:42.200 But more specifically, in addition to that, $5 billion from the seizing of the Russian assets.
00:39:50.020 That's an escalation that even Biden didn't want to perform.
00:39:57.360 So the question is this, Steve, and I'll hand back over to you guys on this one.
00:40:02.100 What are the criteria for success and failure of the policy of arming Zelensky with these Patriot missiles
00:40:11.920 and the other missiles that can reach to Moscow?
00:40:14.160 I'd like to see the definitions, the calculations of how they are going to define in the White House
00:40:18.740 what success looks like and what failure looks like.
00:40:22.460 Because as you were saying just now in the first block, this is absolutely escalatory.
00:40:28.900 It's not what President Trump promised in the campaign.
00:40:32.820 And I repeat again, I don't buy the argument that he was simply being sarcastic.
00:40:38.120 I don't buy that whatsoever.
00:40:39.980 Yeah.
00:40:41.200 Please go ahead.
00:40:41.820 But the Lindsey Graham, here's the thing.
00:40:45.800 Let me just go.
00:40:46.720 Let's try to get your question answered.
00:40:48.140 I'm going to get Dan Cole on here.
00:40:49.620 The Lindsey Graham pitch and the Tom Cotton pitch in the accelerationist, the escalatory group,
00:40:56.300 and what they want, you got to remember what they want.
00:40:59.360 They want us in a actual armed conflict.
00:41:01.800 They want us as a combatant in Ukraine, just like they wanted us as a combatant in Persia.
00:41:07.680 And in Persia, they got it.
00:41:09.660 But President Trump did the massive bombing campaign, like I said, the most complicated thing since D-Day,
00:41:16.800 to end the 12-day war and not to go to regime change.
00:41:20.180 Because on that Friday after the first night of the bombing by the Israelis,
00:41:25.140 all Fox News was cheerleading and Netanyahu's government was talking about regime change.
00:41:28.980 This is why they took out the negotiators on the guys that Wyckoff were supposed to meet with on Sunday in Oman.
00:41:36.840 They took out the senior military command.
00:41:38.560 We started this show that Friday.
00:41:40.180 That Friday, what did we talk about?
00:41:42.600 This was a decapitation move for a regime change.
00:41:46.320 That's what they wanted.
00:41:47.100 They wanted to suck us into a war there, and they want to suck us into a war here.
00:41:51.020 Because what you're doing now is just up the escalatory ladder.
00:41:55.980 This won't end it.
00:41:58.000 This might probably not even slow it down.
00:42:01.740 These guys are grinding.
00:42:02.920 I think it's now time to work with our European allies to get a determination of what is the endgame here.
00:42:11.320 If the endgame is a military confrontation, let's just get it out in front of the American people right now.
00:42:17.560 Let's just be honest with them.
00:42:18.680 Tell them, hey, this is where this is headed.
00:42:21.200 That brigade of troops in the 101st Airborne in eastern Romania are going to be in the fight.
00:42:27.420 We get all the folks we forward deployed into Poland and these other places.
00:42:30.980 They're going to be in the fight.
00:42:32.580 That we're going to get into a ground war, which we are, in the Eurasian landmass near Stalingrad, near Kursk,
00:42:40.400 where near every great commander in the last war that we actually won outright, right, the World War II,
00:42:50.540 that on both sides, Montgomery on the British, Eisenhower, General Marshall, General Patton, you name them.
00:42:57.980 We cannot get involved in that part of the world because that's called the bloodlands for a reason.
00:43:04.460 That's where the Germanic and Slavic entities have bled themselves out for, I don't know, a couple thousand years.
00:43:13.220 It's not our neighborhood, and it's a bad neighborhood.
00:43:17.440 It's a tough neighborhood.
00:43:18.380 Right now, you go back to what happened in 1941 and 42 and 43.
00:43:25.080 You've got Ukrainians on the German side.
00:43:27.020 You've got other guys on the Russian side.
00:43:29.160 You don't know what players player on any day.
00:43:31.820 And the atrocities there, coming on the atrocities in the Ukraine in 1935, which are almost as bad as the Holocaust,
00:43:39.740 when they starve in a place like Kansas, they starve the population to death to feed the collectivization,
00:43:46.560 the industrialization under the Bolsheviks of Russia.
00:43:49.380 This is a cursed part of the world and why we are inexorably, I've said this over and over again,
00:43:57.800 we're inexorably getting drawn into a major conflict with direct American participation.
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00:45:30.520 Okay, they're moving around, folks, in the White House.
00:45:35.380 So as soon as we have a shot, a camera, the Secretary General Neto Rute will go right there, President Trump.
00:45:41.940 It's supposed to be close to the press, but, you know, President Trump's been known to call an audible.
00:45:45.940 I think that's what the Axios leaks are about.
00:45:48.800 Folks, you know, when they say, oh, Axios, fake news.
00:45:51.820 Au contraire.
00:45:52.620 I think it's the number one source where the administration leaks to when they want to put out something and get it out ahead of the mainstream media.
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00:47:06.900 Also, we need you at the ramparts.
00:47:09.680 A lot going on.
00:47:10.480 The rescissions bill is coming up.
00:47:11.840 President Trump is going to need help on that.
00:47:13.280 Think about that statement.
00:47:14.320 President Trump is going to need assistance and the rest of us is going to need assistance on a $9.3 billion rescissions package, which is quite frankly just symbolic because they've got NPR, PBS in there for a couple of billion dollars.
00:47:26.680 You've got some other stuff from USAID.
00:47:28.060 They can't even get that.
00:47:30.320 The Republican conference is not fully supporting that right now.
00:47:33.680 I think the vote's supposed to be – but the 18th, it burns off, so it's got to be in the next couple of days.
00:47:37.860 I think Russ and this guy are trying to get a vote tomorrow or the next day.
00:47:40.660 My understanding, they ain't got the votes.
00:47:42.420 Think about that for a second.
00:47:43.460 We're going to need you at the ramparts, also the NDAA to make sure they don't slip in the artificial intelligence moratorium, which I spent a lot of time on over the weekend.
00:47:52.600 And there's a great – actually on Axios between the Anthropics CEO, Dario, and the CEO of the chip company, Jensen, which is now at $4 trillion market cap, arguing.
00:48:10.880 One, Jensen saying there's going to be more opportunities created by artificial intelligence.
00:48:15.200 Dario saying, hey, I think we're going to wipe out a whole generation of middle managers, white-collar workers.
00:48:22.200 We've got to be very concerned about this.
00:48:23.620 Great debate over there.
00:48:24.440 Make sure you go check that out.
00:48:25.660 We're going to need you at the ramparts with Bill Blaster to combat all this this week.
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00:49:14.400 We're waiting for the Secretary General of NATO.
00:49:18.560 Used to be not President Trump's favorite, but Rute is a very slick guy.
00:49:22.540 He has gotten these guys to commit to 5%, although it is over a decade and is principally, I think, focused on this Ukraine situation.
00:49:30.900 He'll be coming, and we're trying to move assets around.
00:49:33.820 So let's be close to the press, but I believe that President Trump may actually open it up and take questions, and I think that will be quite fascinating.
00:49:41.800 John Solomon is supposed to join us.
00:49:43.240 He's got an amazing article.
00:49:44.280 He broke it on our show on Friday.
00:49:45.980 I think we had an overtime where I was doing the interview with John Solomon.
00:49:52.640 John Solomon talked about how the FBI and Cash, these guys, are opening up an overall broad investigation of the deep state, starting with Crossfire Hurricane.
00:50:02.000 There's another great article up in Just the News today.
00:50:04.160 A lot of discussion about that and whether the Epstein thing will be put in there, particularly if a special prosecutor or special counsel is announced.
00:50:12.440 John Solomon is supposed to join us in the next hour, subject to us going live to the White House, also trying to get Mike Benz up, who knows the situation with the deep state better than anybody.
00:50:21.380 Chris Hort joins us.
00:50:23.220 Chris, with wars and the rumors of war, and I'm telling everybody, put a pin in Labor Day weekend because not only may the balloon go up in two places, but you're going to see a merger of this conflict because it will be the Persians and the Russians on one side and NATO, the Americans, Israelis,
00:50:40.360 hopefully wherever the Gulf Emirates, on the other, as we get sucked in deeper into the kinetic part of the Third World War.
00:50:49.880 Chris Hort, what do you got for us to help people make sure they can communicate when the balloon goes up, sir?
00:50:55.880 Well, Steve, what we got for you is the one thing that every household needs, and that's a satellite phone to make sure that you can stay connected no matter what happens.
00:51:04.360 Steve, just like we saw in the last couple of weeks in Kerr, Texas, you know, when that flood water hits, the first casualties were the cell towers, and that lack of communication most likely caused the death of more people, very sadly.
00:51:18.560 You know, it is so important to be prepared and to be able to communicate no matter what is going on.
00:51:23.720 We know that the Russians, the North Koreans, the Chinese, the Iranians are all targeting our infrastructure, and their number one target is always going to be our communications networks.
00:51:33.160 They've been successful before taking these things offline, and no doubt they'll be successful again.
00:51:40.680 So the number one thing you need to make sure is you have a satellite phone.
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00:51:56.780 So this is all free with activation, $1,500 value.
00:52:00.640 Nowhere else in the country, Steve, can you get a free satellite phone.
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00:52:15.940 You're paying just $99 a month, and you're getting 150 minutes, Steve.
00:52:19.700 And those minutes can even roll over if you don't use them.
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00:52:45.900 But, Steve, this offer is very limited.
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00:52:55.440 Get on it.
00:52:55.840 These specials that Chris Horner does for us don't last.
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00:53:01.080 Chris Horner, thank you very much, brother.
00:53:03.300 Thanks, Steve.
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