Bannon's War Room - July 15, 2025


Episode 4634： Polling Shows Release The Files; Back From BRICS On The Rio Reset


Episode Stats

Length

54 minutes

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172.67046

Word Count

9,403

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693

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the latest in the ongoing saga between President Trump and Vladimir Putin, including a new report from the Financial Times on a phone call between Trump and a Russian general. We also hear from Sen. Marco Rubio and Sen. Cory Booker on the Epstein scandal.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 What happens now? Do you talk to Vladimir Putin?
00:00:03.740 Well, at the end of 50 days, if we don't have a deal, it's going to be too bad.
00:00:08.860 Should Zelensky get more aggressive?
00:00:11.260 Yeah, the tariffs are going to go on and other sanctions go on.
00:00:14.740 Should Zelensky target Moscow? Should Zelensky target Moscow, sir?
00:00:20.400 Should Zelensky target Moscow or deeper into Russia?
00:00:23.560 No, he shouldn't target Moscow.
00:00:25.040 Is that why you gave him more weapons, though?
00:00:30.000 No, we're not looking to do that.
00:00:36.100 Financial Times, excuse me, is reporting, according to two people familiar,
00:00:39.760 that there was a call between Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump
00:00:44.200 where Trump asked Volodymyr Zelensky if he could hit Moscow from Ukraine.
00:00:49.880 Can he attack Moscow from Ukraine?
00:00:53.360 Can you hit St. Petersburg, too?
00:00:55.220 Trump asked on the call, according to these sources, speaking to FT.
00:00:58.680 They said Zelensky replied, absolutely, we can if you give us the weapons.
00:01:05.320 And that Trump signaled his backing for the idea, describing the strategy as intended to make them,
00:01:10.680 the Russians, feel the pain and force the Kremlin to the negotiating table,
00:01:16.700 according to two people who were briefed on that call.
00:01:18.920 Donald Trump was asked a version of this on the White House lawn.
00:01:21.440 He denied it.
00:01:22.140 But this reporting, does that change anything with Vladimir Putin?
00:01:27.200 I mean, you know, hell have no fury like a Trump scorned.
00:01:32.340 I think, again, the journey Trump has made here is significant.
00:01:36.820 I don't think it changes too much for Putin because, you know,
00:01:39.680 these discussions about attacking deep into Russian territory are not new.
00:01:44.220 There were similar discussions that were had during the Biden administration.
00:01:47.540 And ultimately where things ended up was that you don't want to go too far there.
00:01:52.020 You don't want to acknowledge American involvement in that because that's where the nuclear deterrent comes into play.
00:01:58.640 And so my sense is that much as though Trump's pivot here is absolutely worth noting, as we are all doing,
00:02:05.720 it kind of takes you back to where we were a year ago with the Biden administration,
00:02:10.120 which is also to say, Katie, it's still a bit of a stalemate.
00:02:14.260 It still doesn't mean we're any closer to an end to the war.
00:02:18.280 It doesn't mean that we're any closer to resolving the problem we have with Putin.
00:02:22.840 And Putin knows all of this.
00:02:24.380 In a sense, he's always had time on his side.
00:02:27.420 So he's going to keep playing that game.
00:02:29.480 By the way, the White House in this reporting has said that it was taken out of context,
00:02:33.800 that Donald Trump was just asking the questions.
00:02:35.640 The Attorney General briefed you on the DOJ and FBI's review, the findings of that review.
00:02:42.900 The Attorney General briefed you on that.
00:02:43.980 On what?
00:02:44.540 On the DOJ and FBI's review.
00:02:46.420 On what?
00:02:46.920 On what subject?
00:02:48.180 On Epstein.
00:02:48.740 On Epstein.
00:02:49.320 On the review of the files.
00:02:50.600 Attorney General Pan Bondi.
00:02:51.560 A very, very quick briefing.
00:02:53.140 Did she tell you, what did she tell you about the review?
00:02:55.480 And specifically, did she tell you at all that your name appeared in the file?
00:02:59.560 No, no.
00:03:00.280 She's given us just a very quick briefing, and in terms of the credibility of the different
00:03:07.340 things that they've seen.
00:03:09.160 And I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey.
00:03:13.180 They were made up by Obama.
00:03:14.900 They were made up by the Biden, you know.
00:03:17.940 And we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, with all of the
00:03:24.320 different things that we had to go through.
00:03:25.840 We've gone through years of it.
00:03:27.140 But she's handled it very well, and it's going to be up to her.
00:03:30.520 Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release.
00:03:33.140 The president said today you would release credible files related to Mr. Epstein.
00:03:38.200 Are you prepared to do that, and when would you?
00:03:40.440 Our memo, today, our memo speaks for itself.
00:03:43.780 And we'll get back to you on anything else.
00:03:45.460 I haven't seen all of his statements today.
00:03:48.020 Thank you.
00:03:48.440 How would you respond to the MAGA base that has expressed a lot of frustration about you?
00:03:52.680 We're going to fight to keep America safe again, and we're fighting together
00:03:56.760 as a team.
00:03:58.060 That's what's so important right now.
00:04:00.900 You know, we've got a war on drugs.
00:04:03.400 We've got a war on human trafficking.
00:04:05.500 We've got cartels in this country, and we are going to do – we've got foreign adversaries
00:04:10.420 around this world as well.
00:04:11.680 And we're all going to work together as a team to fight to keep America safe again.
00:04:17.060 And I can tell you, that's what we're all committed to.
00:04:19.800 Thank you.
00:04:20.640 Thank you all for being here.
00:04:21.760 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:04:29.360 Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
00:04:34.580 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:04:38.840 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:04:40.760 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:04:42.180 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop
00:04:44.680 it.
00:04:44.880 It's going to happen.
00:04:45.920 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:04:49.540 MAGA Media.
00:04:50.880 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:04:56.300 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:05:00.080 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:05:06.360 War Room.
00:05:07.280 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:05:09.600 Okay, Tuesday, 15 July, Year of the Lord, 2025, a quite wild day in the nation's capital.
00:05:21.900 So the Genius Act, they took down the rule, the Republicans did.
00:05:26.660 That's not going forward, at least right now.
00:05:28.700 They're going to have another vote at 5 o'clock.
00:05:30.260 We're going to cover it live.
00:05:31.380 Guess what?
00:05:32.260 They've canceled all the votes.
00:05:34.340 Any remaining votes, and maybe tomorrow.
00:05:36.000 The big hang up there, among a number of things, may be the, there's a backdoor to our central
00:05:41.940 bank digital currency, which some of the people on the right have brought up.
00:05:46.100 We'll try to get to the bottom of that.
00:05:47.940 President Trump went to Pittsburgh, I think $90 billion of investment going on.
00:05:53.460 He's made some statements about artificial intelligence.
00:05:56.480 We're in our arms race on artificial intelligence.
00:05:59.240 We have to be the superpower in artificial intelligence.
00:06:02.160 We'll get to all that.
00:06:03.060 But a walk back, remember this morning, we talked about the Financial Times story, and
00:06:08.240 particularly about giving the, or selling to NATO, who will then give to the Ukrainians,
00:06:17.800 not just offensive weapons and patriots, but also offensive weapons, including maybe weapons
00:06:24.920 that could reach Moscow and St. Petersburg.
00:06:28.340 The Financial Times had a, had a quite detailed report about it.
00:06:33.780 President came out right there and kind of walked it back.
00:06:36.340 He's not talking about that later.
00:06:38.120 Somebody told the press that it was just President Trump asking an information question.
00:06:43.040 So we'll get more to that in a moment.
00:06:46.560 I want to get Mark Mitchell up.
00:06:47.980 The Rasmussen team traditionally has about the best polling of MAGA and the best polling of
00:06:54.940 President Trump's movement and the best polling around President Trump.
00:06:58.580 He did say, hey, Pam, I've told the attorney general, if there are any, you know, files that
00:07:05.600 she deems should be released, she can go ahead and do it.
00:07:08.120 She was asked later at a conference over at the Justice Department about it, said she hadn't
00:07:12.200 heard that.
00:07:12.760 So there's a little bit of, you know, I would say not as hard as it was the other day.
00:07:21.280 I also believe that Bongino is back at work over at the FBI.
00:07:26.060 So, Mark, we've known you for a long time.
00:07:28.300 You've been on the show almost like a, not more than a contribute, almost like a co-host.
00:07:33.920 The reason is you guys do such a great job and you have such a tremendous ability to
00:07:39.040 articulate, like very few in polling can, what really the MAGA movement is thinking about
00:07:45.040 at the time and where it's headed.
00:07:47.460 You've done some polling on this specific topic.
00:07:50.900 And in fact, I just saw some, I guess, YouGov economist polling that looks like it lays
00:07:55.220 right on top of yours.
00:07:56.200 It's quite close to it.
00:07:57.700 Can you walk us through what you're finding out about this Epstein situation?
00:08:01.900 Yeah, but before I get into that polling, I just want to start at a high level and say
00:08:09.700 Donald Trump came in with really great approval numbers.
00:08:12.620 He's brought a lot of foreign investment back to the United States.
00:08:15.860 He just signed his signature legislation less than two weeks ago, and it's the summer.
00:08:20.900 The Democrats are imploding.
00:08:22.620 He took out the Iranian nuclear weapons program, which was insanely popular.
00:08:26.700 And so where his approval rating should be right now is soaring.
00:08:29.700 And it's not.
00:08:30.360 It's plunging.
00:08:30.980 It's one point away from the lowest net approval rating that he's had this entire cycle.
00:08:35.820 And the last time he had a rating, it was negative five, was back in April.
00:08:40.180 That was when the market imploded 15%.
00:08:42.520 So people are trying to say this isn't a big deal.
00:08:45.280 People are trying to say nobody wants this Epstein information out.
00:08:48.000 It's an absolute misdirection.
00:08:50.360 This is horrifying.
00:08:51.880 And if it isn't corrected, it threatens derailing Trump's agenda, getting rid of his political
00:08:56.900 capital.
00:08:57.420 If this isn't fixed, this might hang over Trump's administration.
00:09:01.880 It could be his Afghanistan going into the fall with Democrats still pounding away.
00:09:06.480 How come you flip-flopped on Epstein?
00:09:08.360 And they are – in my opinion, there are some very easy fixes.
00:09:11.840 But I just want to get to the polling now.
00:09:13.940 And this is brutal.
00:09:14.920 When I got these crosstabs back –
00:09:16.680 But hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on one second.
00:09:21.360 I just want to go back to your opening.
00:09:23.780 Given the role he's been on and the run he's been on, and particularly the other day,
00:09:31.020 even the media was saying they've never seen a president on this kind of run, and it
00:09:35.280 kind of kicks off the summer where there's less interest in politics, but it's just his
00:09:39.900 momentum's building, you would have anticipated with landmark legislation, with – although
00:09:47.380 we didn't like the involvement in Iran, he did dramatically end the 12-day war and didn't
00:09:53.000 have regime change.
00:09:53.980 I mean, everything he's doing is kind of clicking.
00:09:56.460 Just that being, if this hadn't come up a Sunday, a week ago, what would you have anticipated
00:10:03.240 his polling – where would you see the trend line going?
00:10:06.560 Where would you see his polling going on a national basis and with the MAGA movement?
00:10:11.380 Well, just talking about his job approval rating, he hit net plus eight June 15th, which was
00:10:16.960 also, I will admit, the first day that Israel attacked Iran.
00:10:20.640 I think it was June 13th.
00:10:21.960 And it's been downhill since then, so he's lost 12 points now.
00:10:25.900 He's underwater four points.
00:10:27.600 People who've been following us know that we've been putting out a chart pretty much
00:10:31.260 daily that overlays all the presidential net approvals going back to Obama one.
00:10:36.220 And where I was going into July 4th was I said, well, Trump's probably a day or two away
00:10:41.520 from crossing over Obama's numbers.
00:10:43.740 And where are we now?
00:10:45.380 Donald Trump is crossing under Joe Biden's numbers.
00:10:49.220 And so that's a pretty big reversal in less than a week.
00:10:51.960 And the biggest news, I mean, that I can attribute to this, it's like maybe people have
00:10:55.880 heartburned that the one big, beautiful bill was the messaging was a bit of a mess.
00:11:00.080 It doesn't cut enough.
00:11:01.600 Maybe it's the news that Republican establishment is playing footsie with amnesty because of all
00:11:06.020 the people who love slave labor.
00:11:07.580 But the big one is Epstein and people keep downplaying it.
00:11:10.580 But this is not about a guy who died in 2019.
00:11:14.680 This is about a representation of two-tier justice and about unaccountable government.
00:11:20.700 And I don't think, I mean, listen, back in March or it was the end of February, voters
00:11:25.800 were let down on the Epstein thing too.
00:11:28.260 But that's because they thought Trump was, OK, he'll just bring it later.
00:11:32.080 It's been a campaign promise.
00:11:33.500 And I know that he didn't specifically quote it very many times.
00:11:36.820 But this has been basically a proxy for government accountability and redress for the deep state.
00:11:45.260 And so what happened, in my opinion, in the last few days is there was a major rug pull
00:11:50.220 and it's affecting his polling.
00:11:52.680 Now, what do I think might happen?
00:11:53.880 I think his approval will probably recover somewhat.
00:11:56.020 I don't think he's going to be as poorly reviewed as Joe Biden.
00:11:59.640 And I don't think that this is as big as Afghanistan.
00:12:02.220 But the problem is, is that this is not going to go away.
00:12:05.320 It's not going to go away.
00:12:06.720 The Democrats are going to keep talking about it because they need something to talk about.
00:12:10.360 The Democrats are plus two on the generic ballot right now.
00:12:12.880 And so if Donald Trump is going to reverse the historical tendency of the out-of-power party
00:12:22.200 regaining the Senate and the House, he can't just be kicking around at 48 percent and go
00:12:27.440 into 2026 with a whole lot of open questions about strong campaign promises.
00:12:31.880 And again, I think there's an easy way to reverse this.
00:12:34.780 And I hear some people talking about it.
00:12:36.560 But the Epstein polling is horrifying.
00:12:39.660 Like, I haven't seen numbers these brutal.
00:12:40.880 If you want me to get to the crosstabs, it's just not going away.
00:12:44.640 I want you to go to the crosstabs.
00:12:46.840 No, go to the crosstabs.
00:12:48.380 We want to see the receipts here.
00:12:51.040 OK.
00:12:51.700 This is all taken after the announcement that there was nothing to see here.
00:12:56.160 Case closed.
00:12:57.320 We saw the video.
00:12:59.240 He did not get murdered.
00:13:02.040 Voters aren't buying it.
00:13:03.120 They think Jeffrey Epstein was murdered.
00:13:04.880 47 percent to 31 percent suicide.
00:13:07.740 Only 33 percent of Republicans, even though the Trump administration said so.
00:13:12.340 Only one-third of Republicans said that he committed suicide.
00:13:15.580 27 percent of independents.
00:13:17.580 This one's even worse.
00:13:19.120 The FBI and the Federal Department of Justice have been recently concluding an investigation
00:13:24.160 which found that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide and that the Epstein client list, that Epstein
00:13:30.800 did not keep a client list of men involved in sex trafficking operation.
00:13:34.840 Do you believe the FBI and the Department of Justice are telling the truth about Epstein?
00:13:40.600 21 percent yes.
00:13:41.800 This is a country that 50 percent voted for Donald Trump.
00:13:45.160 21 percent yes.
00:13:46.860 56 percent no.
00:13:48.740 Only 27 percent of Republicans.
00:13:50.800 They're not buying the administration line.
00:13:53.220 15 percent of independents.
00:13:56.260 Donald Trump started this administration with plus six among independents.
00:13:59.800 He's negative 19 net approval with independents right now, by the way, which is closer to your
00:14:04.180 opinion.
00:14:05.480 The Epstein case is now closed, echoing Pam Bondi's assessment.
00:14:09.880 16 percent.
00:14:12.600 Or there are dozens of powerful and wealthy offenders who need to face justice.
00:14:17.520 68 percent.
00:14:18.820 68 percent of Democrats.
00:14:20.500 66 percent of Republicans.
00:14:22.500 69 percent of independents.
00:14:24.260 Only 14 percent of independents say this case is closed.
00:14:27.640 And so maybe these numbers will moderate.
00:14:30.140 Maybe other major issues will take—I mean, Epstein's been in the news for years now.
00:14:35.320 And this is, in my opinion, like I said, a representation of the two-tier system of justice,
00:14:40.640 a canary in the coal mine that maybe we're not going to face accountability on things like
00:14:45.120 the vaccine, on things like the weaponized Department of Justice, on things like the FBI.
00:14:50.040 Hang on one second.
00:14:52.480 Just hang on one second.
00:14:54.260 We're going to hold you through the break.
00:14:55.840 Mark Mitchell Rasmussen on polling.
00:14:57.780 This July, there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro,
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00:15:26.540 While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio.
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00:16:39.680 The president once again reiterated, hey, if the Russians have not complied and they're not sitting down at a table
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00:16:51.720 he actually hinted to even more economic warfare when today he said, hey, it was misinterpreted what I said,
00:16:59.960 the Financial Times misinterpreted or people in the room misinterpreted what I was saying about the use of offensive weapons,
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00:18:21.000 Rasmussen, do me a favor.
00:18:22.320 I mean Mark Mitchell, do me a favor.
00:18:23.840 Let's go – I want to go back to something you said, and I want you to explain to people because this is –
00:18:28.020 you guys have been doing this daily tracking poll for – all the way back to Obama's term, correct?
00:18:34.860 Absolutely, yep.
00:18:37.280 And people have used that as a gauge.
00:18:40.100 You guys have been extraordinarily accurate.
00:18:42.460 And you can see inflection points, particularly when you say like Afghanistan,
00:18:46.720 there's inflection points in a presidency that you can go back later and see in your tracking poll where it hit.
00:18:53.520 You made a comment that on July 4th, around July 4th, that President Trump was close to passing Obama on the tracking poll.
00:19:07.020 Was Obama at – I guess was he at the highest – is he like a standard for you guys to look at?
00:19:12.780 And why was that important that President Trump was close to – you thought within two days would pass that?
00:19:18.840 Well, it bucks the historical trend of this idea of a summer of disillusionment where people were promised a whole lot of things on the stump
00:19:28.020 and then realized that the establishment candidates can't actually come in and change anything.
00:19:33.260 And what's changed over time is that Obama came in with a really, really, really high honeymoon.
00:19:38.600 It was in the 60s, almost 70 percent.
00:19:41.020 But of course, by the summer, he was kicking around in the high 40s.
00:19:44.480 That's happened to every president, but they've come in with lower and lower honeymoons.
00:19:48.920 That happened to Trump.
00:19:49.800 He came in with a 53.
00:19:51.140 It got up to a 55.
00:19:52.860 And he's been doing all right, net plus two, net plus three on average, keeping the supporters, picking up a little bit of support from the fall.
00:20:00.520 And you look at it and say, well, there's really nothing major that can happen here.
00:20:04.520 They already threw every hoax in the world against this guy, and the Democrats are in complete disarray.
00:20:10.500 So short of some kind of black swan, some kind of economic implosion, some kind of World War III kicking off in a way that he was unable to control,
00:20:19.460 he's been on the world stage for 10 years.
00:20:21.440 He's Teflon Don.
00:20:22.500 People basically know who he is.
00:20:24.560 And so for all of a sudden, an unforced error, and I really think it is, an unforced error, comes like this and just steals his thunder.
00:20:32.480 Thunder, we had our June Economic Confidence Index was the highest print that we've had since the summer of 2021.
00:20:40.620 Our unemployment rate that we measure every month is going down.
00:20:44.680 There's all of these reasons that people should be positive.
00:20:47.580 And what is everybody going to talk about probably for months is this Epstein thing.
00:20:51.860 And it's also because there's just so many obvious gaslighting and fake logic.
00:20:58.560 And listen, this is not about the list.
00:21:00.600 People don't want to see the list.
00:21:01.860 The reason they're asking the list is because they don't trust the FBI anymore to do investigations.
00:21:07.040 This is the FBI that under Biden, a majority of people said was Joe Biden's personal Gestapo.
00:21:13.360 And so this is the part that I don't think the Trump administration appreciates.
00:21:18.080 This was an election.
00:21:19.280 People say, oh, it's the economy.
00:21:20.360 No, it was an election about institutional trust and the death of the American dream.
00:21:25.760 But 30 percent trust the federal government.
00:21:28.060 Strong majority think the DOJ was weaponized.
00:21:30.780 Seventy-two percent are concerned we're living in a police state.
00:21:33.300 We have these numbers over and over again.
00:21:35.640 And a really big one, how important is the rule of law ensuring public officials are held
00:21:40.840 to the same standard of justice as other citizens?
00:21:44.000 Ninety-four percent important, 82 percent very important.
00:21:47.180 That's as close as it gets to 100.
00:21:49.080 You wouldn't see somebody like oxygen wouldn't even get 82 percent very important.
00:21:53.980 So this idea of two-tiered justice is just absolutely an anathema to people.
00:21:59.240 And we're going to be talking about it.
00:22:00.920 That's the problem.
00:22:02.740 And how do they get rid of this?
00:22:04.460 They have an $11 billion a year federal bureau of investigation.
00:22:10.160 Where are the investigations?
00:22:12.280 Just because we have new people at the head of these administrations is not enough to restore
00:22:17.320 public trust.
00:22:19.220 The trust in these institutions was destroyed under Biden.
00:22:22.700 It takes extraordinary transparency, in my opinion, to give that back, that trust back to
00:22:28.280 voters.
00:22:28.620 You can't just say nothing to see here.
00:22:32.060 Trust me, bro, it's not going to work to restore trust.
00:22:35.840 It should be, hey, this week we're launching this investigation.
00:22:39.020 Here's how many agents are on.
00:22:40.400 Here's the general plan of attack.
00:22:42.420 Here's where you're going to hear something about it.
00:22:44.380 It's not about going on Fox News.
00:22:46.220 It's about having this substance.
00:22:48.360 So here's the thing.
00:22:50.440 I mean, if people want to see accountability, investigate them.
00:22:54.600 Hang on one second.
00:22:57.340 Hang on one second.
00:22:58.740 John Solomon was on here on Friday, and he talked about this institutional trust in President
00:23:02.660 Trump, and he kind of announced a leak that was coming out of the FBI and the Justice
00:23:07.080 Department that there is now, and you saw a little bit of it in the New York Post, that
00:23:11.860 Brennan and Cuomo, there's a criminal investigation.
00:23:16.140 Now, it turns out it's much broader.
00:23:18.200 They're very close, and what I understand is within a couple of days or potentially early
00:23:22.880 next week of announcing a special counsel or special prosecutor that's going to take in
00:23:27.560 your issue of institutional trust.
00:23:29.780 It's going to go back and look at Crossfire Hurricane.
00:23:33.440 It's going to look at the FBI and the CIA and the nullification project and the Russia
00:23:38.760 hoax.
00:23:39.280 It may look at – it's going to supposedly look at the 2020 election.
00:23:43.160 It's going to look at January 6th.
00:23:44.800 Other things of going after President Trump and weaponizing.
00:23:48.180 Is that – if that was announced and a systematic program of that, is that something you think
00:23:54.600 would start to change people's opinions that people are serious and going to get on top
00:24:00.040 of this, sir?
00:24:01.840 I hope.
00:24:02.540 I think it would be a good first start, although people have seen these kind of investigations
00:24:06.760 before.
00:24:07.520 Let's not talk about Bill Barr and Durham and all this other stuff.
00:24:11.040 I would love to see one about election integrity.
00:24:13.440 I would love to see more information about Butler.
00:24:16.200 These are things – listen, forget about the JFK files.
00:24:20.020 We had, OK, a federal agency ostensibly involved in killing a sitting president.
00:24:26.540 Where was the root cause and corrective action?
00:24:29.040 Just the fact that they're all dead isn't good enough.
00:24:31.400 How did that happen in an agency?
00:24:33.680 And then not only that, in the last 12 months, you have the leading candidate of a presidential
00:24:39.340 election was literally shot.
00:24:42.000 And we've heard basically nothing.
00:24:43.740 Who's leading that investigation?
00:24:45.280 What have they found?
00:24:46.020 How much money are they spending?
00:24:47.180 The public have an interest in knowing this kind of information.
00:24:50.300 And the existence of the investigation, in my opinion, is probably not enough given the
00:24:55.540 last 10 years of experience about how these things go.
00:24:58.780 So I'd love to see more of this roll out.
00:25:00.500 And maybe this is stuff that's not possible.
00:25:02.440 But I'm sorry.
00:25:03.540 This is the situation.
00:25:04.820 People do not trust the government absolutely at all.
00:25:08.420 And again, there needs to be – people keep saying, like, here's the political reality.
00:25:14.220 Mike Johnson, I'm sorry, but these are the rules.
00:25:16.340 Well, everybody knows the Democrats are going to break the rules.
00:25:19.540 And I'm not saying necessarily break the rules, but break a sweat because the optics
00:25:24.320 of the one big beautiful bill, in my opinion, just look like business as usual in Washington,
00:25:28.440 D.C.
00:25:29.420 How are you going to win in 2026?
00:25:33.820 Let's spitball.
00:25:34.700 If the Democrats take control of the Senate, are we still going to have the filibuster rule,
00:25:39.420 60-vote rule?
00:25:40.620 I don't know.
00:25:41.280 A lot of important people I talk to say no.
00:25:44.240 So if that's the case, let's just get rid of it.
00:25:47.000 And here's an idea.
00:25:48.040 Instead of business as usual 4,000-page bills, how about you put out a super popular bill
00:25:52.800 every week all the way up to the 2026 election?
00:25:55.640 I could list a lot off the top of my head, including things like auditing elections, paper
00:26:00.180 ballots, voter ID, e-verify, all of these things.
00:26:04.400 We just got 28 Trump executive orders codified into law.
00:26:07.800 OK, we got another 100.
00:26:09.840 That'll get us all the way to, like, December.
00:26:11.580 Let's do it.
00:26:12.120 And so unless you see rapid things like this, how is Trump going to unravel this labyrinthian
00:26:19.160 beast within whom very little, in my opinion, has been done from a root cause and corrective
00:26:24.940 action perspective to restore trust in people?
00:26:28.720 Now, they came in.
00:26:29.680 Again, here's the paradox.
00:26:31.160 Right-direction polling is at 44% right now.
00:26:33.700 It's still super high.
00:26:34.940 I don't think this is lost for Trump.
00:26:36.600 But this one, you can't just pretend that it's not going to be a problem hanging over
00:26:41.800 this administration.
00:26:43.280 The Democrats have nothing to run on.
00:26:45.060 So what do you think they're going to run on?
00:26:46.260 They're going to run on releasing the Epstein list.
00:26:48.260 They're going to blame Trump for it.
00:26:49.920 And it's going to be ugly if they get in control of the House.
00:26:53.380 Guess what their first commission is going to be?
00:26:55.180 They're going to have a commission to look into the Epstein list and do what Republicans
00:26:59.220 said they would and didn't.
00:27:01.480 Will that affect Trump's numbers?
00:27:02.940 Probably not.
00:27:03.660 But the Republicans need every little bit of help they can get right now.
00:27:07.240 It's Democrat plus three or four on the RealClearPolitics aggregate.
00:27:11.280 What do Republicans need going into the fall of 26 in order to maintain control of the government?
00:27:17.340 It's probably something six, seven, or eight points to the right of that, plus Act Blue
00:27:22.740 getting dissolved, plus whatever else.
00:27:25.480 I don't know.
00:27:26.100 But again, hard to predict.
00:27:28.840 And I'm pounding on the table.
00:27:30.480 But this is not just me.
00:27:31.580 Like, I'm talking to other people who are having the same concerns.
00:27:34.660 I don't know if you saw it.
00:27:35.940 But four of us, honest pollsters that do a good job, got together.
00:27:39.660 We founded the National Association of Independent Polling.
00:27:42.680 I think people will be happy that an organization like that exists that can, you know, counteract
00:27:49.180 the mainstream media, continued gaslighting that's only getting worse.
00:27:52.540 It's only going to get worse.
00:27:53.960 And the people I'm talking to there, you know them.
00:27:56.680 Like, you've had Rich Barris on.
00:27:58.100 We've talked to Matt Towery.
00:27:59.000 This is bad.
00:27:59.820 Yep.
00:28:00.420 This is affecting everybody's numbers.
00:28:02.820 Yep.
00:28:04.040 Can you, what's your social media and YouTube?
00:28:06.600 We've got about 20 seconds.
00:28:07.740 We'll have you back on tomorrow or the next day.
00:28:09.500 Very important.
00:28:10.240 Where do people go?
00:28:10.720 Rasmussen underscore poll.
00:28:11.700 Honest pollster on Twitter.
00:28:13.060 Rasmussen underscore poll on YouTube.
00:28:17.560 Mark Mitchell, you're the best.
00:28:19.700 Incredible.
00:28:20.520 Richard Barris, they're worried.
00:28:22.820 The best guys we got are worried.
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00:29:49.140 What happens now?
00:29:51.060 Do you talk to Vladimir Putin?
00:29:52.420 Well, at the end of 50 days, if we don't have a deal, it's going to be too bad.
00:29:57.860 Should Zelensky get more aggressive?
00:29:59.940 Yeah, the tariffs are going to go on and other sanctions go on.
00:30:03.460 Should Zelensky target Moscow?
00:30:06.080 Should Zelensky target Moscow, sir?
00:30:08.960 Should Zelensky target Moscow or deeper into Russia?
00:30:12.240 No, he shouldn't target Moscow.
00:30:13.500 Is that why you gave him more weapons, though?
00:30:22.220 No, we're not looking to do that.
00:30:24.840 Financial Times, excuse me, is reporting, according to two people familiar, that there
00:30:28.660 was a call between Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump where Trump asked Volodymyr Zelensky if he could hit Moscow from Ukraine.
00:30:38.440 Can he attack Moscow from Ukraine?
00:30:42.040 Can you hit St. Petersburg, too?
00:30:43.720 Trump asked on the call, according to these sources speaking to FT.
00:30:47.760 They said Zelensky replied, absolutely, we can if you give us the weapons.
00:30:53.220 And that Trump signaled his backing for the idea, describing the strategy as intended to make them, the Russians, feel the pain and force the Kremlin to the negotiating table, according to two people who were briefed on that call.
00:31:07.600 Donald Trump was asked a version of this on the White House lawn.
00:31:10.140 He denied it.
00:31:10.820 But this reporting, does that change anything with Vladimir Putin?
00:31:15.880 I mean, you know, hell hath no fury like a Trump scorned.
00:31:21.020 I think, again, the journey Trump has made here is significant.
00:31:25.500 I don't think it changes too much for Putin because, you know, these discussions about attacking deep into Russian territory are not new.
00:31:32.920 There were similar discussions that were had during the Biden administration.
00:31:36.220 And ultimately where things ended up was that you don't want to go too far there.
00:31:40.720 You don't want to acknowledge American involvement in that because that's where the nuclear deterrent comes into play.
00:31:47.320 And so my sense is that much as though Trump's pivot here is absolutely worth noting, as we are all doing, it kind of takes you back to where we were a year ago with the Biden administration, which is also to say, Katie, it's still a bit of a stalemate.
00:32:02.960 It still doesn't mean we're any closer to an end to the war.
00:32:06.960 It doesn't mean that we're any closer to resolving the problem we have with Putin.
00:32:11.540 And Putin knows all of this.
00:32:13.060 In a sense, he's always had time on his side.
00:32:16.120 So he's going to keep playing that game.
00:32:18.380 By the way, the White House in this reporting has said that it was taken out of context, that Donald Trump was just asking the questions.
00:32:27.480 OK, welcome back.
00:32:29.080 Mark Mitchell there.
00:32:30.180 The key is about the institutional trust and, you know, people have lost trust in the FBI.
00:32:37.320 They've lost trust in the CIA.
00:32:38.360 We're going to have Jefferson Morley on tomorrow.
00:32:41.760 Jefferson is the amazing writer and wrote the book Ghost about Angleton, one of the most fascinating characters in American history.
00:32:50.080 It's about the front page story this morning, what Mark Mitchell just alluded to.
00:32:54.660 The CIA, with direct knowledge of Oswald, and I mean very direct knowledge of Oswald, what he was doing in New Orleans and other places, turns out he was been tracked by the CIA.
00:33:08.300 A formal file was opened on him in 1959.
00:33:12.900 They knew every movement that Oswald made.
00:33:14.640 And the head of psychological warfare at the Miami office of the CIA and really the guy heading up all the anti-Castro activities knew about him very closely, actually was monitoring him, might have been even more involved than that, and then lied to everybody.
00:33:33.660 So the institutional trust, because it looks like there's some sort of involvement that now can be shown of the CIA in the assassination of President Kennedy.
00:33:43.180 Also, you have the judiciary and the CIA and the FBI and the coup against Richard Nixon, and obviously all of this against President Trump, and I've had a ringside seat of this.
00:33:55.360 You know the deep states come after President Trump, and I think Mark Mitchell is 100 percent correct.
00:34:00.600 We have Richard Barris on tomorrow.
00:34:01.760 I will give you a heads up.
00:34:03.120 Richard Barris, once again, a guy that understands the Trump movement, MAGA.
00:34:08.220 His numbers are not that far off.
00:34:09.820 I mean there's numbers layer on top of each other.
00:34:11.500 And the economists, YouGov, who are not friends of the movement, have a poll out that's almost as bad.
00:34:18.000 So somehow this has to be addressed.
00:34:21.520 I just don't think it's going to – it's only going to go away with people becoming complacent and apathetic, and that's the last thing you need.
00:34:27.320 In these midterm elections, you need everybody up on the – you know, at the – on watch.
00:34:36.380 And right now you can already tell people are so frustrated with this, in particular the way it's being handled, that if they – you know, they just want it to go away with it.
00:34:45.160 When they go away, you're going to lose some of your best people.
00:34:47.220 These are your best people.
00:34:48.600 These are not sunshine soldiers and summer patriots.
00:34:52.480 These are the hardest core of the hardcore, the people that have been with President Trump forever, the people that had his back in those dark days of 21.
00:34:58.980 I want to play those – Philip, I want you on here for the BRICS, right, and the post of BRICS.
00:35:05.820 But there's something deeper that's already developing, and that is President Trump has given this 50-day – because you can tell he's very frustrated.
00:35:13.240 He's tried to deal with Putin.
00:35:14.540 It's not working.
00:35:16.360 It looks like there's many geopolitical and geostrategic elements to this that he may have not calculated what Putin and these guys intend to do, the KGB.
00:35:26.040 But when he talks about, you know, the giving weapons, the shipping weapons, his real thing he keeps coming back to is sanctions, even deeper sanctions, and no one's really focused on this yet.
00:35:37.660 Secondary sanctions would mean sanctions on India, but particularly sanctions on China.
00:35:43.220 Given everything you saw in the – down in Rio, and coupled with – we had some – I think we had good news today on inflation.
00:35:53.480 President Trump, it looks like the tariffs are kicking in like he felt without inflation.
00:35:59.800 Price increases.
00:36:02.120 It looks like inflation is in a good spot, not a great spot, but in a good spot.
00:36:06.540 Obviously, capital markets are responding favorably.
00:36:09.080 You've got guys like Ken Langone, who's a Trump hater, saying how great he is, probably the greatest president of the United States.
00:36:15.260 And that's a Wall Street guy saying that.
00:36:16.960 You know, how concerned are you for what's happened in the last 24, 48 hours about the potential additional economic warfare around Ukraine?
00:36:28.860 And how do you think that that will impact gold?
00:36:33.160 Look, look, I think it's tough.
00:36:37.140 In terms of its impact on gold, I think the more global instability we see, the more trade wars ignite, the more sort of wars we see around the world.
00:36:47.480 Ultimately, this instability creates a good climate for gold, and gold is moving gangbusters in this climate.
00:36:54.620 So short term, I think it's good for gold.
00:36:57.860 Longer term, we'll have to see how it plays out.
00:37:00.620 The one thing you talked about earlier, trust in our institutions being broken, and I think a big part of the de-dollarization movement is we broke the trust, whether it was Biden back in 2022, back in 2014 or the 80s.
00:37:15.420 But trust in the United States has been broken.
00:37:18.340 And I think sanctions as a policy now, punitive sanctions, they can work shorter term to dissuade, right?
00:37:26.140 Maybe it'll be effective in sort of dissuading Putin, I'm not sure if they will, in moving forward in Ukraine.
00:37:33.380 But I think longer term, we need carrots.
00:37:36.440 And I've said this many times, we need carrots more than sticks.
00:37:39.460 I think sanctions dissuade people shorter term, but not longer term.
00:37:43.160 And I think this BRICS de-dollarization movement is all about slow and steady steps.
00:37:48.500 So what I've said for a long time is we need to start using carrots now, not sticks.
00:37:55.260 And I guess this is the one concern when it comes to de-dollarization that I do have with President Trump is when you've got a hammer and he's got the biggest hammer around, every problem starts to look like a nail.
00:38:08.000 Well, where I think we need to start getting a little bit smarter is when it comes to structuring trade deals.
00:38:14.460 I think what we need to do is move away from sort of punitive sanctions and move more towards incentives, right?
00:38:21.540 We can tie, you know, we have the largest consumer market in the world.
00:38:25.540 Let's use it to entice people, right?
00:38:27.700 We could tie market access to U.S. dollar trade settlements and financial alignment.
00:38:32.940 We could offer industrial infrastructure and nearshoring deals to those that align with us.
00:38:39.300 I think we have an opportunity now to make the world choose between our way and the other way.
00:38:45.480 And I think if we sort of layer carrots and not sticks, it may be more effective longer term.
00:38:52.960 He's got, you know, we have over $110 billion coming in now in tariffs.
00:38:57.240 No price increases, at least today, or dramatic price increases.
00:39:01.560 You saw, and I think this was your reporting, folks at Treasury and the White House saw that the sophisticated move – because a lot of people said, oh, the BRICS thing laid an egg.
00:39:10.880 They actually did a very sophisticated move in these bilateral deals and to have their central banks buy more gold and eventually settle up that way to a de-dollarization move.
00:39:20.620 It was part of, and I think the White House confirmed this, when he dropped the 50 percent tariffs on Lula and Brazil, you know, 30 percent of that.
00:39:30.820 The 30 percent was tied to Bolsonaro in the trial, and it'll go away if Bolsonaro are the trial.
00:39:35.680 But 20 percent, because he had threatened 10, I think he gave Lula another love tap of another 10 to get his attention that, you know, he's focused on this de-dollarization.
00:39:47.940 He said it's not going to happen on his watch.
00:39:50.420 I want to go back.
00:39:51.300 If you had to have a forcing function to force the world to choose between the two systems – because, folks, you got to understand, this BRICS system is starting to become a reality, right?
00:40:02.220 It's starting – it's a very rudimentary stage, very nascent, but it's starting.
00:40:06.700 If you had to now force the world to choose – give that to me again.
00:40:13.620 How would you do that?
00:40:15.340 Look, I think it's a case of not forcing the world to choose but incentivizing them to move towards us again.
00:40:22.760 And I think there's a number of ways to do it, right?
00:40:25.020 Number one is through trade policy.
00:40:27.020 Like I said, we can force nations to make a choice and incentivize them with our market to do what we want them to do, right?
00:40:35.460 Secondly, I think ultimately trust has been broken, right?
00:40:39.140 We talk about trust in our institutions being eroded.
00:40:42.000 We need to increase that trust, right?
00:40:43.960 We need to start with a clean slate, whether that's auditing the Fed, Treasury balance sheets, auditing Fort Knox potentially, although I don't want to let that sort of rabbit out the hat again.
00:40:54.760 But I think overall increasing transparency of our financial governance, that's a straight-up win, right?
00:41:01.300 Secondly, like I said before, I think Secretary Besant has an opportunity in trade deals to set them up in a way that incentivizes people to work with us, right?
00:41:12.140 Offer infrastructure, nearshoring deals that other countries cannot match, like I said, and essentially build regional friend-sharing blocks, right?
00:41:21.200 We've got an opportunity to push forward with soft power, right?
00:41:25.600 We killed USAID, and rightly so, by the way.
00:41:28.460 It was full of waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:41:30.420 But China are filling that gap with their Belt and Road Initiative.
00:41:34.120 There's some smart things that we can do there.
00:41:36.680 And I think thirdly, what's the BRICS's competitive advantage?
00:41:40.700 They've essentially modernized the financial system, right?
00:41:44.020 They've built what could be a better system.
00:41:46.640 They're offering rival financial stacks, bilateral CBDCs, the new development bank.
00:41:53.040 We need to not complain.
00:41:55.200 We need to start competing, right?
00:41:57.100 We already have and own the global financial network.
00:42:00.620 Let's modernize it.
00:42:01.820 Let's internationalize FedNow, create real-time US dollar settlement for trusted partners.
00:42:08.060 Look, ultimately, what this is going to boil down to, I think, is a rebrand.
00:42:13.900 The dollar doesn't need to be the only option, but it does need to be the best option.
00:42:18.520 So I think we need to rebrand dollar leadership as transparent, growth-orientated, and built
00:42:24.540 on mutual trust.
00:42:25.920 Look at the BRICS in comparison, right?
00:42:28.100 They push compliance through political alignment and a common adversary.
00:42:32.640 How sustainable that is long-term, that's up to us.
00:42:36.500 But I think the US now needs to compete through trust, performance, and stability.
00:42:41.060 The elephant in the room, though, right, what all of this is dependent on is getting our
00:42:46.120 fiscal house in order.
00:42:47.200 Because if we cannot do that, all of this is moot.
00:42:56.500 Fantastic.
00:42:57.100 Do you want to – are you upset right now that we can't get past the rescission bill?
00:43:02.700 It's $9.4 billion.
00:43:04.620 By the way, you should know, to get the vote, I think, to bring it to the floor, they had
00:43:08.540 to cut $400 million off it on some program, I think, for Collins of Maine.
00:43:13.780 Are you concerned?
00:43:14.460 I tell you what, let's answer it when you get back, because we're talking about cutting
00:43:16.780 spending.
00:43:17.800 And right now, the rescissions package, which was supposed to be symbolic, that moving
00:43:22.400 forward is now going from $9.4 billion to $9 billion because the Senate just doesn't
00:43:28.820 have the stomach to cut spending.
00:43:31.400 Philip Patrick Birchgold is with us.
00:43:34.300 Short break.
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00:45:59.640 Philip Patrick, we can't, you know, and I keep, you know, arguing to the administration,
00:46:03.680 just come with the impoundments or come with the pocket rescissions.
00:46:06.060 This taking so long on a rescission that's $9.4 billion and you've got to carve $400 million
00:46:12.380 just to get the rule passed and get it to the floor to debate.
00:46:15.740 It's just going to take too long with the spending cuts President Trump wants to do,
00:46:19.320 and he has the ability to do it, just do the impoundments.
00:46:22.260 Also, all this argument, now they've started a formal process.
00:46:25.800 Scott Besson said it, I think, today, for looking for a new Fed chair.
00:46:30.080 President Trump's talking about a 300 basis point cut.
00:46:33.720 Right now, we know the thinking of a 25 basis point cut, I guess, in September, based upon
00:46:38.500 these numbers today.
00:46:39.980 Put this in perspective for us, both the spending cuts that we still need to have and President
00:46:44.860 Trump still has the ability to do, coupled with the search for a new Fed chair.
00:46:50.260 And President Trump wants a 300 basis point cut sometime, you know, soon.
00:46:57.620 Sir, your thoughts?
00:46:59.880 Look, I understand exactly why President Trump wants the cut, right?
00:47:04.400 He's looking at $36.5 trillion of debt that already costs over a trillion dollars a year
00:47:10.160 to refinance.
00:47:11.540 So we need the cuts.
00:47:12.980 If we want to grow the economy and get a handle on debt service, we need the interest rate cuts.
00:47:17.860 The Fed are in a tough position.
00:47:19.960 Powell says he's not political, but he's resisting lowering rates.
00:47:23.860 It's as if he really doesn't want to do so.
00:47:26.700 And this sort of spike in inflation, small spike, but spike may be the catalyst for him
00:47:32.760 to hold firm.
00:47:33.820 It's interesting because, you know, he should have done that back at the end of 2024 when
00:47:38.880 Biden was in power, but he made the decision essentially not to do that.
00:47:42.540 So the Fed are looking more political now than they have done in a while.
00:47:47.220 Look, in terms of curbing spending, that has to be ultimately the priority, right?
00:47:53.820 And this, they're preparing now in the Senate for a procedural vote on the $9.4 billion
00:47:59.720 rescission package.
00:48:00.960 It targets $8.3 billion, I think, in foreign aid and $1.1 billion for public broadcasting.
00:48:07.380 Look, these cuts are important, right?
00:48:09.560 It would be the first real rollback since Clinton.
00:48:12.240 So it's a shift towards fiscal conservatism.
00:48:15.840 But ultimately, it's a drop in the bucket.
00:48:17.660 We have a lot more to find in terms of cuts if we want to balance the budget and give these
00:48:23.360 guys a chance to grow the economy.
00:48:25.160 So there's a ton going on.
00:48:27.320 I don't see a 300 basis point cut coming from the Fed.
00:48:31.620 I think right now they're probably going to hold firm, wait and see what happens with
00:48:35.980 inflation until the end of the year.
00:48:37.520 So I'm not sure President Trump's going to get his way, but it's interesting, and we'll
00:48:42.080 have to see how it plays out.
00:48:45.440 Now, we're going to go to work on the eighth installment.
00:48:49.480 Can you give just a couple of highlights of what you found in, now that you're back, your
00:48:56.560 Rio trip, sir?
00:48:57.800 Look, what was so interesting, I mean, did we learn anything we didn't know?
00:49:05.560 No.
00:49:06.140 The BRICS has certainly committed to de-dollarization.
00:49:09.000 We knew that when we came out, and I think it was confirmed when we got there.
00:49:13.980 What was interesting, though, was really understanding the motivations, right?
00:49:18.700 I always assumed that a lot of the motivation would be financial, right?
00:49:23.880 Watching debt exploding, watching deficit spending in the United States.
00:49:28.160 That was largely the catalyst, but it turns out it wasn't the case.
00:49:32.840 This is a trust issue.
00:49:34.780 This goes back to the 1980s.
00:49:36.660 It goes back to 2022, that the trust has been broken, which ultimately has encouraged me
00:49:42.140 when it comes to solutions, right?
00:49:44.600 I've been not so encouraged when it comes to how we're going to curb spending and get
00:49:50.620 our fiscal house in order, but I am encouraged when it comes to building trust globally.
00:49:55.740 So for me, I've come back motivated to try and find some solutions, but ultimately, I
00:50:02.300 understand now how committed these guys are, at least at this point, to de-dollarizing and
00:50:07.780 how important it is that we stop it as soon as we can.
00:50:11.520 How do people, what I tell folks is I want them to build a relationship with you and your
00:50:18.720 team.
00:50:19.100 How can they get there?
00:50:20.200 Because with this Ukraine situation heating up and folks, you might want to wish it away.
00:50:25.280 It's not going to go away, right?
00:50:26.780 It's not going to go away.
00:50:27.660 And I think President Trump, in this article on the FT and then what he said on the lawn
00:50:31.400 heading to Pittsburgh today, you realize the seriousness of this, this kind of combination
00:50:36.260 of economic warfare and kinetic war.
00:50:38.220 You add on top of that what's happening in Persia, the South China Sea, and you double
00:50:44.860 that down with the BRICS nations.
00:50:46.980 These central banks continue to buy gold because they want to hedge.
00:50:50.460 Where do people go to get a relationship with you?
00:50:52.340 Because most important now, they build a relationship with Philip Patrick and his team at Birch Gold,
00:50:57.520 sir.
00:50:58.980 It's birchgold.com forward slash Bannon, birchgold.com forward slash Bannon.
00:51:03.960 But I want to say one thing quickly.
00:51:05.840 Listen, these problems have been here for the last three years, right?
00:51:10.000 But we didn't talk about them.
00:51:11.980 Now we're talking about them.
00:51:13.100 They didn't start today, but at least the administration is addressing them.
00:51:17.080 And this is why I voted for President Trump.
00:51:19.820 This is why we need President Trump, because ultimately they understand the issues and they're
00:51:24.560 working towards solutions.
00:51:25.980 It's going to be a bumpy road, but people have to understand the fact that it's out there
00:51:30.420 in the mainstream.
00:51:31.680 This is encouraging.
00:51:32.560 The problems were there before.
00:51:34.020 They just weren't getting dealt with.
00:51:36.300 Sorry for that rant.
00:51:37.280 It's birchgold.com forward slash Bannon or text Bannon to 989898.
00:51:45.440 Philip Patrick, that's not a rant.
00:51:47.320 That's great.
00:51:48.840 Love having you on here, brother.
00:51:50.220 Welcome back from Rio.
00:51:53.020 Thank you, Steve.
00:51:54.380 We're going to take a short break.
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