On today's show, Stephen K. Bamb stops by the War Room to discuss the latest in the Trump administration, including the latest on Jerome Powell and John Solomon's interview with President Donald Trump. Also, we discuss the ongoing investigation into Epstein and his possible involvement with the Epstein scandal, and whether or not he should be removed from office.
00:03:12.280And the Bloomberg guys don't put it up unless they're talking to senior White House officials.
00:03:15.780Said that he'd already talked to the House and that he had authority.
00:03:20.520He was going to go ahead and blow out Powell.
00:03:24.300But he said earlier at 9.30 this morning with John Solomon, he's not going to do that.
00:03:29.700He reiterated that on the press avail with the crown prince of Bahrain and the prime minister.
00:03:38.860We're going to get into the – he talked about the special prosecutor, this whole investigation of this deep state trying to remove Trump and even maybe putting the Epstein things in there.
00:03:52.160We'll show that clip in a little while.
00:03:53.360Now, Jefferson Morley, the number one reporter, investigative reporter and writer that wrote the definitive biography of Angleton, remember James Jesus Angleton, one of the most controversial Americans of the 20th century.
00:04:09.000He wrote really the amazing biography of that.
00:04:12.920And he's been following the CIA involvement in Kennedy's assassination.
00:04:15.880He will join us, Washington Post, as one of their lead stories on the front page yesterday.
00:05:47.060And, you know, we just did the big, beautiful bill.
00:05:49.740And a lot of us had to grit our teeth and vote for it.
00:05:52.460There's some good things for the farmers and, of course, the tax cuts.
00:05:55.800But at the end of the day, we didn't really cut anything.
00:05:58.460And after that, if we state status quo for the next 10 years, we'll spend $26 trillion more and add that to this $37 trillion in debt we're already in, and it will be over with.
00:06:11.620Our country will not be what it was in the last 249 years.
00:06:15.740So when President Trump and his team and Russ Vogt talked to people and said, hey, look, the big, beautiful bill is not perfect.
00:06:41.540A person that Thune negotiated with for days even to get the bill rolling, Collins, you took $400 million off in one of the programs that she likes.
00:06:57.400If you can't do this, our recommendation to Russ and to the president is just, hey, do the pocket rescissions or just impound the money and let's go to the Supreme Court and fight it out in the courts about his Article II powers.
00:07:11.260Your thoughts on this, Senator Tuberville?
00:11:36.980And, you know, I just did an interview with a couple of people.
00:11:41.600And, you know, they asked me, what about, you know, the people that are getting arrested and they possibly could be United States citizens along with some of these illegals?
00:11:51.980You know, if you're hanging around people that are here illegally, you know, things could come down on you other than the fact that, you know, you're not going to be deported.
00:12:00.540We have got to get the bad hombres, number one.
00:12:02.960But if people are there around ICE, you know, we can't pass them up.
00:12:10.200We've got to deport them, send them home.
00:12:12.940And at the end of the day, in Alabama, just yesterday, ICE went in and raided a business that had frauded the PPP money from COVID millions of dollars.
00:12:27.460And those people either got to go to jail, they got to go home.
00:12:32.700They've got something that's got to happen to them.
00:12:34.380We cannot continue to put up with this nonsense.
00:12:36.700If we don't have law and order in our country, Steve, it is over for the United States.
00:12:43.220Last thing, Senator, and thank you for taking time before you go.
00:12:47.120Congressman Salazar just put up from Miami, just put up a bill with a couple of co-sponsors, essentially an amnesty bill for the non-bad hombres that are here.
00:12:57.460Is that going to get any traction in the Senate, sir?
00:13:25.520Now, there needs to be something with our visa system where we can bring people back and work because, obviously, we've got 10 million open jobs right now, and we've got a lot of people sitting on their ass not doing anything, collecting Medicaid and Medicare and everything they can get their hands on.
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00:16:59.020Like we've said to Russ and to the team, I'm glad you're going through this exercise.
00:17:04.780I think it's great you're going and including the House or including the Senate.
00:17:10.480But, you know, you're talking about a $2 trillion deficit.
00:17:15.360At some point in time, we just heard from Senator Tuberville, and we know this is going to happen.
00:17:19.000The appropriation, the 12 individual appropriations bills are not going to get done.
00:17:25.880The ones that are going to get done are, okay, so wait for this.
00:17:29.720The ones that are going to get done are three of the 12 are going to get done.
00:17:32.340Because there's only 20 legislative days between now and 30 September as we go through with you folks all the time.
00:17:39.100The three that are going to get done, particularly defense with the defense authorization and DHS, are going to have, wait for it, budget increases.
00:18:29.800Even with giving her the $400 million in a deal, the Genius Act is also being fought over.
00:18:37.640There are many issues with the Genius Act.
00:18:39.420One that's big is the central bank digital currency, which is in a president-executive order, but it's not in this.
00:18:44.100And so a lot of folks are saying, hey, you've allowed a backdoor to be here, and it ought to be actually in the bill.
00:18:49.580We'll get you up to speed on all that.
00:18:51.820Like I said, John Solomon's going to play his, in its entirety, the interview with the president.
00:18:58.100One of the things today the president talked about, or John Solomon talked about, this, you know, going back to crossfire hurricane to the summer of 2016, looking at the MOLA commission, the MOLA investigation, look at many of these things that have been there.
00:19:12.540The impeachment of President Trump on the Ukrainian thing.
00:19:15.480Many of these issues that we say was the deep state trying to nullify his term.
00:19:20.600In this issue with the deep state, we continue to grapple with, and of course we have many people on the other side of the political spectrum from ourselves that agree that something's deeply wrong and has to be addressed.
00:19:33.720I want to introduce now, this is from the front page story on the Washington Post yesterday.
00:19:38.020Author Jefferson Morley, Jeff Morley, writer of many books about the Kennedy assassination and Watergate, but really the classic, The Ghost, which I've been talking about a lot over the last couple weeks.
00:19:50.800The single best biography of James Jesus Angleton, one of the most significant individuals in American history in the 20th century and still virtually unknown outside of a small group of people that focus on this issue.
00:20:09.240Jeff Morley, Anna Paulina Luna, we were supposed to do a press conference last night for a whole host of reasons.
00:20:18.920Anna Paulina Luna was one of the people, and probably the tip of the spear we had on our show live Saturday, that through force of personality is making sure that all the records are actually coming forward from the CIA and from other departments to make sure that we have a complete, from the federal government, make sure we have a complete record.
00:20:38.360People can see everything on the Kennedy assassination.
00:20:41.660It turns out there's a blockbuster memo from the CIA, I guess, deputy station chief in Miami, who was also the head of, I guess, psychological warfare, and one of his things was overseeing the invasion of Cuba, assassination of Castro.
00:20:59.940And people, particularly our young audience, and even maybe some of the boomers, forget how central Cuba was to American foreign policy, and particularly to the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration.
00:21:11.200Can you just get up to speed what exactly this memo is?
00:21:46.940It's a series of documents about a man who was the chief of covert action in the Miami station in 1963, running covert operations out of Miami and New Orleans.
00:21:59.660And this file shows that the story that the CIA told to for 60 years until last week was false, that they didn't know anything about this guy, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Castro supporter who was making noise in New Orleans.
00:22:18.480They pretended that he didn't exist and that they knew nothing about him.
00:22:23.040And the file of this man, George Joannides, emerged last week, showed that that cover story is now defunct.
00:22:31.020And what we see now is that the story of a lone gunman was a story that covered up a whole host of CIA operations involving Oswald or knowledgeable about Oswald.
00:22:46.320It means we're in a new area of talking about the Kennedy assassination.
00:22:50.700It's no longer up to the critics of the official story to say, to concoct a conspiracy theory about what happened.
00:22:59.040It's now up to the defenders of the official story to explain the CIA malfeasance that has been exposed.
00:23:07.460And what it involves is the lone gunman was not lone in the sense that he was unobserved by senior level CIA people.
00:23:16.860He was very well known at the top of the CIA in the fall of 1963 when JFK was alive.
00:23:25.620And that's the story that they've hidden.
00:23:27.720And that's the story that we got a piece of now.
00:23:30.760No, it's not a smoking gun proof of conspiracy.
00:23:33.780It's a fact pattern of CIA malfeasance.
00:23:36.700But you wouldn't have – and this is why I go back to the – your book on Angleton is not a book about the Kennedy assassination.
00:23:46.440And I've read – and, of course, Skyhorse is our partner in publishing, which I think has published more books on the Kennedy assassination by not just anyone.
00:23:54.200And I think they've published more on that topic than all the other topics.
00:23:58.100Your book on Angleton is literally about the formation of the CIA but how it rolled, particularly in these critical years of the 60s, 50s, 60s, and 70s.
00:24:07.600And he was a legendary figure because he was the head of counterintelligence.
00:24:13.880But the book, your book, even without the Washington Post, says – off a Washington Post article in 1959 when an article appeared in page 7 near the tire ads, as I call it, on the Washington Post.
00:24:26.860Someone at the CIA picked up that a Marine corporal had defected to the Soviet Union.
00:24:33.280From that time, you literally go through a detail of how the CIA monitored all the moves of Oswald for four years up to – forget Ioannidis, which is very important because he lied to people directly.
00:24:51.000These guys monitored him and then when President Kennedy was shot, it's very obvious from your book, which really are talking about other topics, that the FBI and the CIA came together and their number one purpose in addressing the Warren Commission was to make sure that the Warren Commission, number one, and particularly the American people, didn't know their involvement with either monitoring this guy or questioning this guy, et cetera.
00:25:21.840If that had been – if these revelations had been brought up by Walter Cronkite on Friday evening at 10 o'clock on the 22nd of November of 1963, the arc of American history would be quite different, would it not?
00:25:38.900I mean, imagine if the story that the Post ran yesterday ran in July 1964, that the chief of covert action operations for the CIA in South Florida knew all about the man who just killed the president.
00:25:53.460I mean, the Warren Commission investigation would have been totally different.
00:26:00.340And we would have had some explanation for these machinations around the alleged assassin that we can only ask now, 60 years later, when we finally see kind of what was actually going on.
00:26:13.480I want to go back in time, too, about how you frame, I think, perfectly.
00:26:20.540You say, look, if you think about – and so many people, I think, have forgotten this over a time where young people don't know it.
00:26:27.460But if you go back to the early – from the beginning of Kennedy's administration, the Bay of Pigs happened literally when he shows up within, I think, 60 days of the administration.
00:26:38.420He then has the Cuban – of course, Vienna, but with Khrushchev.
00:26:41.140Then he has the Cuban Missile Crisis in the – not just liberal, but I think the way that we all know the Cuban Missile story that this elegant president stared down diplomatically Khrushchev and the Russians and Castro.
00:26:54.760But the way you tell the story from the national security apparatus, the Pentagon and the CIA, they were livid.
00:27:03.120They thought this was a major defeat because the commitment – he made two commitments.
00:27:29.440So not only had Kennedy not consulted them in resolving the crisis without war, but that he had actually given Castro sanctuary.
00:27:38.780And we see the CIA taking these first aggressive steps towards secret operations involving Oswald in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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00:29:54.080And, Jefferson, I want to get to the new book you want to write.
00:29:55.940But just going back in time, you know, the CIA was only 13 years old.
00:29:59.580But you see there in your book and others that there's this huge gap between the elected officials, in this case a liberal or progressive president, although a cold warrior and a hero, a naval hero from World War II.
00:30:17.980So this guy was no wimp and no peacenik.
00:30:20.760But a huge gap between people who are saying, hey, we've got to think through diplomacy here.
00:30:26.320We've got these nuclear weapon proliferation.
00:30:29.020And the Curtis LeMay and guys who are very hardcore, who kind of won the war against the Germans and the Japanese, they see American power, plus these kind of Ivy League guys in the CIA.
00:30:43.940And they – you can see forming already what people call the deep state.
00:30:47.640They have a different philosophy, a different national security policy, a different foreign policy.
00:30:53.720And you bring it to highlight in your book on Angleton and now all this new revelations.
00:30:59.320Is this the reason why we've got to get to the bottom of the Kennedy assassination to really, I think, go forward as a country?
00:31:08.200You've seen the firestorm we've had in the last couple of days on this issue.
00:31:12.360I know you – I think you wrote a book on Watergate, the coup against Nixon.
00:31:17.640I mean, what are your thoughts about this?
00:31:19.140Do we have to solve actually at least to what reasonable people can understand of what happened back then to really go forward as a country about who actually governs us?
00:31:31.860This is why the issue of the JFK assassination endures.
00:31:35.940And people like you and me coming from very different positions politically, left and right, see things in the same way.
00:31:42.840I would say that this crucial event where – I would say what I describe in the Angleton book is once there was no accountability around Kennedy's assassination, the CIA and these national security agencies effectively had impunity.
00:31:58.320And so that impulse in U.S. foreign policy and U.S. intelligence making was never checked.
00:32:09.480And I think that's what leads to these forever wars that we're involved in.
00:32:15.080You know, Harry Truman called for the abolition of the CIA right after Kennedy's assassination.
00:32:19.500And it's a very telling column that he writes for The Washington Post on December 22, 1963, exactly one month after.
00:32:28.980You talk about, you know, what would have been the headline, you know, if it had been known that the chief of covert action was following Oswald in the summer of 63 or that James Angleton had a fat file on the alleged lone gunman.
00:32:41.440You know, people would have listened to Truman, you know, his call for the abolition of the CIA was pretty much ignored in the country's shock and grief.
00:32:49.780Nobody connected Kennedy's assassination to the CIA except for the ex-president who signed the CIA into existence, Harry Truman.
00:33:00.500You know, so that's where – that's why this story still matters.
00:33:04.360That's why we're still talking about it because it does have a contemporary relevance.
00:33:09.600How do we control a secret intelligence agency, a $15 billion a year agency?
00:33:15.460Can it be controlled by an elected legislature?
00:33:18.240You know, that's the challenge that we're facing right now.
00:33:22.620I will tell you, having worked in the White House and done the National Security Council and the interagency process, it's not just a – it's not simply a $15 billion agency.
00:33:33.880This is – it's all pervasive, and it comes from – it comes from this assassination.
00:33:37.560You are now, I understand, from the press working on a new – and you're kind of the guy that I think people go to for facts and for truth and not wild conspiracy theories on this.
00:33:46.740Are you going to take this latest revelation, which Anna Paulina Luna – it's so amazing that some of these young people are saying, we've got to get the facts out here.
00:33:54.140Are you going to take that, and are you working on a new book about the Kennedy assassination?
00:33:57.880I mean, the short answer is yes, but let me say something about Representative Luna, who I did not even know four months ago.
00:34:17.660She's terrific on this issue, and we never would have obtained the file of George Joanides if it wasn't for Representative Luna pressuring the CIA, and Director Ratcliffe deserves credit for making it available and for making other JFK records available.
00:34:34.860So Luna really helped make the system work on JFK records.
00:34:39.060That's very important, and with these records, yes, I can write – I think I can write the last chapter in a book about what we have learned about the CIA's role in the events of November 22nd, 1963.
00:34:54.480Do you agree right now with Harry Truman?
00:34:57.060Should President Trump make it a priority to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency, sir?
00:35:02.520You know, a continental nation like the United States needs an intelligence agency.
00:35:09.060I go back to one of the key documents that was released last March, thanks to President Trump's order, a memo by Arthur Schlesinger, written in 1961, called Reorganization of the CIA, in which he recommended, I think, a very thoughtful solution, which is put this clandestine service under the control of the State Department.
00:35:29.180Don't let it be a standalone agency with responsibilities for both intelligence and operations.
00:35:35.760Because, as Schlesinger said, it will come to dominate and preempt the president's foreign policymaking authority.
00:35:44.500You know, Schlesinger said in that memo in 1961, the last thing that was declassified that Schlesinger wrote was that 47 percent of State Department officers,
00:35:57.780at the time of Kennedy's inauguration in January 1961, 47 percent of those State Department officers were actually CIA officers.
00:36:07.360That's how much the CIA had kind of infiltrated the operations of the U.S. government itself.
00:36:12.420Until that changes, until there's some authority put over the CIA, some fundamental reform,
00:36:18.320I think you're going to have an independent actor in foreign policy that is really just as strong as the president.
00:36:26.220I don't – since you brought it up, I don't want to bring up a sore subject, but I think in the Oliver Stone school of this,
00:36:32.840wouldn't he argue that Schlesinger's memo is one of the things that triggered some of the bad hombres inside the CIA to say, hey, we have a problem here, sir?
00:36:42.180I mean, you know, we can speculate all we want about conspiratorial, you know, scenarios.
00:36:48.480There's no doubt that Kennedy and the national security upper echelon in the joint chiefs in the CIA were very alienated after the Cuban missile crisis,
00:36:59.860and that continued for the rest of Kennedy's presidency.
00:37:02.740That's not – that's not open to dispute.
00:37:05.360And now what's not open to dispute is the CIA knew a whole lot more about the man who allegedly killed the president than they ever admitted.
00:37:15.680And, in fact, one other way to lie about it.
00:37:17.920Jefferson, where do people go to get you on social media?
00:37:21.320Where do they go to get your writings?
00:37:22.960And particularly, I think something – if you're writing a new book on the CIA, you've written a couple of great books.
00:37:29.020I would recommend everybody get the Angleton book, The Ghost.
00:37:31.620You can follow my JFK reporting at jfkfacts on Substack, which is jfkfacts.substack.com.
00:37:42.520You can buy my books, The Angleton Book, at jeffersonmorleybooks.com.
00:37:47.340And you can follow me on Twitter, X, at jeffersonmorley.
00:37:51.800Those are the places where you'll get the latest developments on the JFK story as they happen.
00:38:02.380Pete, you're kind of revered in this whole area of people that are still fascinated and realize not just fascinated, but something needs to be – we need to get closure on this to go forward as a country.
00:38:20.060JFK Facts, we created JFK Facts in 2012, looking ahead to the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination.
00:38:30.720And a colleague and I, Rex Bradford, lamented the fact that there is so much bad journalism on JFK's assassination.
00:38:39.760Factual errors, evidence ignored, witnesses misinterpreted, you know, just – the JFK journalism was pretty terrible.
00:38:51.820And so we created JFK Facts to report factually on new information related to Kennedy's assassination, information that we vetted, that we made sure was true or, you know, probably true.
00:39:04.640Or if we weren't sure, we made clear that we weren't sure.
00:39:08.840We also didn't spend a lot of time on conspiracy theories, debating them pro or con.
00:39:13.720Our facts were – our approach was, let's report on what's new, good information, let's eliminate the bad information, and let's lobby against secrecy around JFK records.
00:39:26.540We started that in 2012 with President Trump's order in January 2025.
00:39:32.080We actually improbably achieved that goal.
00:39:36.300We are getting close and closer to full JFK disclosure.
00:39:40.440And as we get closer, we get significant information.
00:39:44.180You know, look at what Rep. Luna achieved by getting the Joe Anides personnel file out there.
00:39:49.000We have a new perspective on CIA operations at the time of Kennedy's assassination.
00:39:55.160We have new, important information about that.
00:41:30.520But they ought to look into the Jeffrey Epstein hoax, too, because that's another hoax that's frankly put out by the Democrats, pushing the Republicans and put out by the Democrats.
00:41:41.060No, they definitely set the Republicans up.
00:41:45.180Would that make you feel good, you think?
00:41:47.260Well, I think it's in the case of Epstein.
00:41:49.680They've already looked at it, and they are looking at it.
00:41:51.920And I think all they have to do is put out anything credible.
00:41:55.680But, you know, that was run by the Biden administration for four years.
00:41:59.060I can imagine what they put into files, just like they did with the others.
00:42:03.380I mean, the Steele dossier was a total fake.
00:42:05.980It took two years to figure that out for the people.
00:42:09.440And all of the things that you mentioned were fake.
00:42:12.180So I would imagine if they were run by Chris Wray and they were run by Comey, because it was actually even before that administration, they'd been running these files.
00:42:22.600And so much of the things that we found were fake with me, but especially you look at that Steele dossier where they paid like $14 or $16 million.
00:42:32.380That's more than James Patterson gets paid to do a number one bestseller.
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00:45:04.500John Selman just put out a tweet a moment ago.
00:45:07.000President Trump's movement is important for a step.
00:45:09.160Attorney General Bondi should now name prosecutor, release an index of all docs collected, identify what is being withheld and why, and then ask the Southern District of New York judge to unseal 2019 grand jury materials.
00:45:22.700Amanda Head, you were part of that and asked some great questions there.
00:45:25.860We just had Jefferson Morley on 60-some years later, ma'am.
00:45:29.440We're still struggling with getting all the information out about President Kennedy.
00:45:33.700Here we had, I would argue, the third coup d'etat in the last 60 years against President Trump, starting with, you know, Crossfire Hurricane and all the stuff you and John Selman cover every night.