Bannon's War Room - Episode 4637： Secret Life Of The CIA

00:00:00.000 Everything else is so strong, we're bullying through the rates, the high interest rates. 0.84

00:00:04.300 The housing market would boom if this, you know, numbskull, he's a numbskull.

00:00:10.060 And if this guy would, can you imagine, we're talking about housing, he's building a building,

00:00:16.080 he's building an addition, I guess, for more people to tell him what to do, and he's always wrong.

00:00:20.820 They had 71 different geniuses that they interviewed and that were put up.

00:00:28.000 You probably saw that.

00:00:29.220 I did.

00:00:29.320 And with predictions.

00:00:30.900 And the only one that got it right was me and one other person, 69 were wrong.

00:00:35.620 This guy got it wrong, and he wants to put in thousands of additional people to tell him what to say.

00:00:41.620 I mean, how many people do you need?

00:00:43.120 Read a newspaper and make your own decision, right?

00:00:45.740 Are you thinking of removing him, or do you think he resigns before his term's out, Jerome Powell?

00:00:51.960 I'd love.

00:00:52.720 If he wants to resign, that would be up to him.

00:00:54.960 They say it would disrupt the market if I did, but, you know,

00:00:58.320 there are many people say he should be removed because of the fraud of what he's doing at the Fed with regard to the $2.5 billion.

00:01:06.180 He's spending $2.5 billion to, I guess it's a renovation.

00:01:10.900 I don't know.

00:01:11.220 That's all it is.

00:01:11.860 It's just a renovation.

00:01:12.560 I'm very good at that stuff.

00:01:13.940 I should go look at it at least.

00:01:15.700 Yeah, we got a story up on it today.

00:01:17.620 It's crazy.

00:01:18.600 The building costs less to build than its cost to renovate.

00:01:21.080 It's insane.

00:01:21.760 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:01:22.420 It's like one of the most expensive buildings in the world.

00:01:25.180 He's putting all sorts of parks on the top of the building and this, that.

00:01:28.740 And I guarantee the contractors are making a fortune.

00:01:31.880 No, this is not a guy.

00:01:33.080 This is a guy who was recommended.

00:01:34.640 He was recommended to me by Mnuchin and it worked out good.

00:01:43.260 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:01:48.300 Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.

00:01:53.380 I got a free shot.

00:01:54.680 All these networks lying about the people.

00:01:57.680 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:01:59.680 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:02:01.100 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:02:03.640 It's going to happen.

00:02:04.980 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:02:08.380 Mega Media.

00:02:09.280 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:02:15.160 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:02:18.920 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:02:25.220 War Room.

00:02:26.140 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:02:33.640 It's Wednesday, 16 July, Year of the Lord, 2025.

00:02:36.680 Right there, you saw just a clip from the complete interview with John Solomon and the President of the United States.

00:02:43.640 We're going to play it on the John Solomon Show in its entirety without, I think, commercial interruptions.

00:02:48.840 Starting at 6.

00:02:49.620 Amanda Head is going to be with us closer to the D-block. 0.99

00:02:52.320 Talk about some of the big scoops.

00:02:53.840 Right there, you heard about Powell.

00:02:56.140 The President is saying he's not going to fire Powell.

00:02:57.940 That was different, the reason I'm really proud of John Solomon and the team, that he got the right story.

00:03:03.120 There was a huge story that came out on Bloomberg right when that was happening about senior White House officials.

00:03:10.480 Senior White House officials.

00:03:12.280 And the Bloomberg guys don't put it up unless they're talking to senior White House officials.

00:03:15.780 Said that he'd already talked to the House and that he had authority.

00:03:20.520 He was going to go ahead and blow out Powell.

00:03:24.300 But he said earlier at 9.30 this morning with John Solomon, he's not going to do that.

00:03:29.700 He reiterated that on the press avail with the crown prince of Bahrain and the prime minister.

00:03:38.860 We're going to get into the – he talked about the special prosecutor, this whole investigation of this deep state trying to remove Trump and even maybe putting the Epstein things in there.

00:03:51.700 We'll talk about it.

00:03:52.160 We'll show that clip in a little while.

00:03:53.360 Now, Jefferson Morley, the number one reporter, investigative reporter and writer that wrote the definitive biography of Angleton, remember James Jesus Angleton, one of the most controversial Americans of the 20th century.

00:04:09.000 He wrote really the amazing biography of that.

00:04:12.920 And he's been following the CIA involvement in Kennedy's assassination.

00:04:15.880 He will join us, Washington Post, as one of their lead stories on the front page yesterday.

00:04:20.380 I want to go to Senator Tuberville.

00:04:22.740 Some history being made.

00:04:24.320 I don't think we've had a rescissions package.

00:04:27.040 I don't know if one's ever come up.

00:04:29.400 But here's the question, Senator Tuberville.

00:04:31.120 Where does this stand?

00:04:32.440 You guys started – the Senate started voting at 1 o'clock.

00:04:35.560 We've been following this, and the votes go up, the votes go down, the votes still open.

00:04:40.180 Are they still horse trading?

00:04:41.420 You've already done a haircut of $400 million for Collins, and now it's a $9 billion package.

00:04:49.020 Where do we stand on this?

00:04:51.540 Yeah.

00:04:52.280 Figure this out, Steve.

00:04:53.580 We took a $400 haircut, as you said, because of Senator Collins.

00:04:58.180 She just didn't like it in there.

00:04:59.440 And she turned around and votes against it anyway.

00:05:01.660 What did we take it out for?

00:05:04.500 $9 billion.

00:05:05.240 We spent that in 24 hours up here.

00:05:09.240 This is kind of just like a trial run.

00:05:11.500 Obviously, it's NPR, a lot of the doge cuts, a lot of the nonsense that USAID was spending,

00:05:18.520 and a lot of that money was going back to the Democrats.

00:05:20.600 So much fraud up here and corruption.

00:05:22.760 It's amazing.

00:05:23.500 But they don't want to cut anything.

00:05:25.260 And we've had one, I think, maybe 25 years ago there was one.

00:05:31.240 President Reagan tried one back in 1981.

00:05:34.380 I think he got $15 billion done back then.

00:05:37.240 Now, heck, that was a pretty large sum because back then the budget wasn't that big.

00:05:42.820 But it's pulling teeth around here, Steve.

00:05:45.460 You can't get anything cut.

00:05:47.060 And, you know, we just did the big, beautiful bill.

00:05:49.740 And a lot of us had to grit our teeth and vote for it.

00:05:52.460 There's some good things for the farmers and, of course, the tax cuts.

00:05:55.800 But at the end of the day, we didn't really cut anything.

00:05:58.460 And after that, if we state status quo for the next 10 years, we'll spend $26 trillion more and add that to this $37 trillion in debt we're already in, and it will be over with.

00:06:11.620 Our country will not be what it was in the last 249 years.

00:06:15.740 So when President Trump and his team and Russ Vogt talked to people and said, hey, look, the big, beautiful bill is not perfect.

00:06:25.180 Let's get it through.

00:06:25.800 It's got the tax cuts, the supply side tax cut.

00:06:27.880 We start getting growth.

00:06:29.160 We will come back to you with rescissions packages, pocket rescissions, impoundment, all this to take care of the cuts.

00:06:35.800 You've had a bill that's open now.

00:06:38.440 I don't know.

00:06:39.220 You're in your fourth or fifth hour.

00:06:41.540 A person that Thune negotiated with for days even to get the bill rolling, Collins, you took $400 million off in one of the programs that she likes.

00:06:50.480 She's now voted against it.

00:06:52.160 Do you see this thing passing today?

00:06:53.980 Are they going to keep it open all night?

00:06:55.580 I mean, where do we stand?

00:06:56.460 It's only $9 billion.

00:06:57.400 If you can't do this, our recommendation to Russ and to the president is just, hey, do the pocket rescissions or just impound the money and let's go to the Supreme Court and fight it out in the courts about his Article II powers.

00:07:11.260 Your thoughts on this, Senator Tuberville?

00:07:14.020 Yeah.

00:07:15.100 There's got to be a better way to do this because, like I said, just $9 billion is like pulling teeth.

00:07:21.280 And we voted for 30 hours straight on the Senate floor to get the big, beautiful bill passed.

00:07:29.040 And Murkowski, she hung in there all night and she eventually voted for it.

00:07:34.220 Then she regretted it.

00:07:35.360 So I don't think we'll get another vote out of her.

00:07:38.860 You know, I'm surprised Tillis voted for this.

00:07:41.640 I didn't think he would.

00:07:42.660 But McConnell voted against this.

00:07:45.200 Collins voted against it.

00:07:46.500 So at the end of the day, Steve, we're between a rock and a hard place.

00:07:49.880 We're basically got 49 to 50 people that really want to do something about the deep state and the bad, bad situation that we're in.

00:08:00.880 But to get that done, like you said, it's going to have to, a lot of it's going to have to come from the White House.

00:08:05.840 The president's going to have to start looking at people and really understand who they are.

00:08:09.980 You know, they go to the White House and smile and take these pictures of the president.

00:08:13.380 A lot of them want to get reelected.

00:08:14.860 But at the end of the day, they just grit their teeth and can't wait to either give up this majority or give up our country. 0.52

00:08:22.500 The appropriations, so the 26 appropriations, you guys on Senate Armed Services are working on the NDAA right now.

00:08:32.700 My understanding is that we're not, because there's only 20 legislative days, I think, left before the fiscal year ends on 30 September.

00:08:40.940 I take it we're looking at, as much as you guys want to cut, we're in hang fire again.

00:08:48.420 It looks like we're going to have a CR, midnight on the 30th, a CR that kicks it into the new fiscal year.

00:08:54.200 And I guess we'll fight with rescissions and impoundments then, because it won't get done in this appropriations process, sir?

00:09:00.740 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:01.780 It'll be a CR in the coming, as you said, when we get closer to the end of the fiscal year.

00:09:07.580 Hopefully we get the NDAA, run up the flagpole from the House and the Senate manager's package, pass, sent to the White House.

00:09:17.280 We have to get that done.

00:09:18.940 Of course, the Democrats held everybody hostage for the first four years I was here.

00:09:23.420 Schumer, he just would get it done in July, and then he wouldn't bring it to the floor until December to hold it all hostage,

00:09:29.600 because they knew they could get something for it.

00:09:31.940 That's all the Democrats try to do.

00:09:33.340 They just try to get something for everything that they hold the country up for.

00:09:38.240 It's not for the country.

00:09:39.120 It's for them and their deep state comrades.

00:09:43.260 So I don't know, Steve.

00:09:46.380 We're going to try to do the best we can, but there's only a handful of people up here that would really care about cuts.

00:09:52.320 And that's, if it goes back to one thing, it goes back to a reason you need term limits.

00:09:56.820 You need term limits because people stay, they're going to stay up here as long as you'll let them.

00:10:01.680 But once you get a term limit, then they look at it going, you know, I need to vote for the country.

00:10:06.260 I need, you know, I'm getting ready to go back out in the real world.

00:10:08.840 I'm not going to be pampered, you know, up here in the federal government.

00:10:11.800 I'm, you know, my vote is going to have to send me back home and I'll get a little bit of praise for what I've done.

00:10:19.720 But as long as you keep people up here 30, 40, 50 years, we've got no chance.

00:10:27.000 One of the best things about the big, beautiful bill, in fact, what Vice President Vance pushed it and sold it on,

00:10:33.420 was the $170 billion coming in to secure the border and for the mass deportations.

00:10:38.440 2,000 of our federalized troops in Los Angeles, the National Guard, were, I think, called back starting this weekend by Pete Hegseth.

00:10:46.820 It's been a success, though, in Alabama, these ICE raids.

00:10:50.660 I mean, are you a supporter of this, of doing the mass deportations and not just stopping at the bad hombres?

00:10:57.220 Oh, as many people as we can send back, Steve.

00:11:00.540 We go back to what we just talked about of possibly cutting $9 billion.

00:11:05.660 But the problem is we're spending on each illegal $70,000 to $90,000 a year.

00:11:11.700 We can't afford that.

00:11:12.900 We can't afford it in our hospitals.

00:11:14.580 We can't afford it in our education system.

00:11:17.340 We are a sinking ship.

00:11:19.700 And the American people are looking around going, what do we do?

00:11:23.360 We've got to start dipping water out of the lifeboat because we're going to sink along with everybody else.

00:11:29.280 And that's exactly what's going to happen if we don't get these people out.

00:11:32.420 Now, it's not 15 or 20 or 30 million people.

00:11:34.980 It's upwards of 50 million people.

00:11:36.980 And, you know, I just did an interview with a couple of people.

00:11:41.600 And, you know, they asked me, what about, you know, the people that are getting arrested and they possibly could be United States citizens along with some of these illegals?

00:11:50.280 Don't put yourself in the wrong spot.

00:11:51.980 You know, if you're hanging around people that are here illegally, you know, things could come down on you other than the fact that, you know, you're not going to be deported.

00:12:00.540 We have got to get the bad hombres, number one.

00:12:02.960 But if people are there around ICE, you know, we can't pass them up. 0.81

00:12:10.200 We've got to deport them, send them home. 0.99

00:12:12.940 And at the end of the day, in Alabama, just yesterday, ICE went in and raided a business that had frauded the PPP money from COVID millions of dollars.

00:12:27.460 And those people either got to go to jail, they got to go home.

00:12:32.700 They've got something that's got to happen to them.

00:12:34.380 We cannot continue to put up with this nonsense.

00:12:36.700 If we don't have law and order in our country, Steve, it is over for the United States.

00:12:43.220 Last thing, Senator, and thank you for taking time before you go.

00:12:47.120 Congressman Salazar just put up from Miami, just put up a bill with a couple of co-sponsors, essentially an amnesty bill for the non-bad hombres that are here. 0.97

00:12:57.460 Is that going to get any traction in the Senate, sir?

00:13:00.660 No, no, no.

00:13:01.420 There's not going to be amnesty.

00:13:03.540 I don't know where these people come from.

00:13:05.660 I did a press conference with Brooke Rollins, Pam Bondi, Pete Hexteth, several governors the other day.

00:13:11.900 That word should be taken out of the English language.

00:13:16.300 There is no reason for us to even talk about amnesty.

00:13:19.960 If you're here illegally, you've got to go home. 1.00

00:13:24.160 We can't afford you. 0.82

00:13:25.520 Now, there needs to be something with our visa system where we can bring people back and work because, obviously, we've got 10 million open jobs right now, and we've got a lot of people sitting on their ass not doing anything, collecting Medicaid and Medicare and everything they can get their hands on.

00:13:41.680 It's time to go.

00:13:42.720 It's time for them to go home, the illegals, and it's time for us to put people back to work. 1.00

00:13:47.160 And that's what we did in Medicaid.

00:13:49.500 We said, listen, if you don't qualify for Medicaid, you're out the door.

00:13:54.820 You're going back to work.

00:13:56.340 But we have hurt the Democrats' feelings so bad they won't even talk to us right now.

00:14:00.300 But they'll come back around, and, you know, eventually, you know, maybe we can get them thinking about the American people for once.

00:14:08.020 Senator Tuberville, social media, how do people get to your website, how do they get to your own social media, sir?

00:14:18.840 Tubervillesenate.com

00:14:19.980 It's always the hardest question I ask you.

00:14:24.560 Senator Tuberville, always an honor to have you on here, sir.

00:14:28.040 Always an honor to have you on here.

00:14:30.080 Thank you, sir.

00:14:31.680 Senator Tuberville has announced he's running for governor in Alabama.

00:14:35.560 He's had enough fun up here in the Senate, but one of the real fighters that we have.

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00:16:32.140 Okay, welcome back, Senator Tuberville.

00:16:35.820 There's also a fight right now on the rule again on this Genius Act.

00:16:41.980 And you've got, you know, Eli Crane, MTG, Chip Roy, others look like no votes now.

00:16:49.360 That's also shifting around.

00:16:51.820 The rescissions package has been open for hours.

00:16:57.160 It's unbelievable.

00:16:58.120 Nine billion dollars.

00:16:59.020 Like we've said to Russ and to the team, I'm glad you're going through this exercise.

00:17:04.780 I think it's great you're going and including the House or including the Senate.

00:17:10.480 But, you know, you're talking about a $2 trillion deficit.

00:17:15.360 At some point in time, we just heard from Senator Tuberville, and we know this is going to happen.

00:17:19.000 The appropriation, the 12 individual appropriations bills are not going to get done.

00:17:25.880 The ones that are going to get done are, okay, so wait for this.

00:17:29.720 The ones that are going to get done are three of the 12 are going to get done.

00:17:32.340 Because there's only 20 legislative days between now and 30 September as we go through with you folks all the time.

00:17:39.100 The three that are going to get done, particularly defense with the defense authorization and DHS, are going to have, wait for it, budget increases.

00:17:50.860 I kid you not, budget increases.

00:17:53.620 The other, there's one more, and I don't remember what the other one is, but those are the two major ones.

00:17:59.040 The appropriation, single subject appropriation bills are not going to get done, and they're not going to be able to be packaged.

00:18:06.560 We're going to have a CR, so you're going to have that fight. 0.91

00:18:08.560 But remember, to get the big, beautiful bill done, there was a commitment that we're going to use these methodologies of going in cuts.

00:18:15.280 And right now, on the Senate floor, they're hung up on a $9 billion cut.

00:18:20.380 That was $9.4 billion.

00:18:21.380 They already cast off $400 million just to get Collins to vote for the rules so they could bring it to the floor to debate.

00:18:27.600 And she's a no on the bill.

00:18:29.800 Even with giving her the $400 million in a deal, the Genius Act is also being fought over.

00:18:37.640 There are many issues with the Genius Act.

00:18:39.420 One that's big is the central bank digital currency, which is in a president-executive order, but it's not in this.

00:18:44.100 And so a lot of folks are saying, hey, you've allowed a backdoor to be here, and it ought to be actually in the bill.

00:18:49.580 We'll get you up to speed on all that.

00:18:51.820 Like I said, John Solomon's going to play his, in its entirety, the interview with the president.

00:18:58.100 One of the things today the president talked about, or John Solomon talked about, this, you know, going back to crossfire hurricane to the summer of 2016, looking at the MOLA commission, the MOLA investigation, look at many of these things that have been there.

00:19:12.540 The impeachment of President Trump on the Ukrainian thing.

00:19:15.480 Many of these issues that we say was the deep state trying to nullify his term.

00:19:20.600 In this issue with the deep state, we continue to grapple with, and of course we have many people on the other side of the political spectrum from ourselves that agree that something's deeply wrong and has to be addressed.

00:19:33.720 I want to introduce now, this is from the front page story on the Washington Post yesterday.

00:19:38.020 Author Jefferson Morley, Jeff Morley, writer of many books about the Kennedy assassination and Watergate, but really the classic, The Ghost, which I've been talking about a lot over the last couple weeks.

00:19:50.800 The single best biography of James Jesus Angleton, one of the most significant individuals in American history in the 20th century and still virtually unknown outside of a small group of people that focus on this issue.

00:20:09.240 Jeff Morley, Anna Paulina Luna, we were supposed to do a press conference last night for a whole host of reasons.

00:20:15.860 She couldn't do it.

00:20:16.600 They were going to do it.

00:20:17.240 You were going to be on it.

00:20:18.920 Anna Paulina Luna was one of the people, and probably the tip of the spear we had on our show live Saturday, that through force of personality is making sure that all the records are actually coming forward from the CIA and from other departments to make sure that we have a complete, from the federal government, make sure we have a complete record.

00:20:38.360 People can see everything on the Kennedy assassination.

00:20:41.660 It turns out there's a blockbuster memo from the CIA, I guess, deputy station chief in Miami, who was also the head of, I guess, psychological warfare, and one of his things was overseeing the invasion of Cuba, assassination of Castro.

00:20:59.940 And people, particularly our young audience, and even maybe some of the boomers, forget how central Cuba was to American foreign policy, and particularly to the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration.

00:21:11.200 Can you just get up to speed what exactly this memo is?

00:21:14.400 Why is it so important?

00:21:16.060 Why, I don't know, 60-some years later, it's front-page news on the Washington Post, sir?

00:21:22.240 Well, Steve, first of all, thanks for having me.

00:21:26.500 Thanks for your kind words about my book.

00:21:29.240 You know, you and I come from very different places politically, but we do agree about James Angleton.

00:21:35.200 We do agree about the Kennedy assassination.

00:21:37.120 So let's drill down on that.

00:21:39.060 What the Washington Post reported on in the front-page story yesterday was a file.

00:21:45.640 It's not one document.

00:21:46.940 It's a series of documents about a man who was the chief of covert action in the Miami station in 1963, running covert operations out of Miami and New Orleans.

00:21:59.660 And this file shows that the story that the CIA told to for 60 years until last week was false, that they didn't know anything about this guy, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Castro supporter who was making noise in New Orleans.

00:22:18.480 They pretended that he didn't exist and that they knew nothing about him.

00:22:23.040 And the file of this man, George Joannides, emerged last week, showed that that cover story is now defunct.

00:22:31.020 And what we see now is that the story of a lone gunman was a story that covered up a whole host of CIA operations involving Oswald or knowledgeable about Oswald.

00:22:44.580 So, you know, what does that mean?

00:22:46.320 It means we're in a new area of talking about the Kennedy assassination.

00:22:50.700 It's no longer up to the critics of the official story to say, to concoct a conspiracy theory about what happened.

00:22:59.040 It's now up to the defenders of the official story to explain the CIA malfeasance that has been exposed.

00:23:07.460 And what it involves is the lone gunman was not lone in the sense that he was unobserved by senior level CIA people.

00:23:16.860 He was very well known at the top of the CIA in the fall of 1963 when JFK was alive.

00:23:25.620 And that's the story that they've hidden.

00:23:27.720 And that's the story that we got a piece of now.

00:23:30.760 No, it's not a smoking gun proof of conspiracy.

00:23:33.780 It's a fact pattern of CIA malfeasance.

00:23:36.700 But you wouldn't have – and this is why I go back to the – your book on Angleton is not a book about the Kennedy assassination.

00:23:46.440 And I've read – and, of course, Skyhorse is our partner in publishing, which I think has published more books on the Kennedy assassination by not just anyone.

00:23:54.200 And I think they've published more on that topic than all the other topics.

00:23:58.100 Your book on Angleton is literally about the formation of the CIA but how it rolled, particularly in these critical years of the 60s, 50s, 60s, and 70s.

00:24:07.600 And he was a legendary figure because he was the head of counterintelligence.

00:24:13.880 But the book, your book, even without the Washington Post, says – off a Washington Post article in 1959 when an article appeared in page 7 near the tire ads, as I call it, on the Washington Post.

00:24:26.860 Someone at the CIA picked up that a Marine corporal had defected to the Soviet Union.

00:24:33.280 From that time, you literally go through a detail of how the CIA monitored all the moves of Oswald for four years up to – forget Ioannidis, which is very important because he lied to people directly.

00:24:51.000 These guys monitored him and then when President Kennedy was shot, it's very obvious from your book, which really are talking about other topics, that the FBI and the CIA came together and their number one purpose in addressing the Warren Commission was to make sure that the Warren Commission, number one, and particularly the American people, didn't know their involvement with either monitoring this guy or questioning this guy, et cetera.

00:25:20.760 Sure, and I think that's shocking.

00:25:21.840 If that had been – if these revelations had been brought up by Walter Cronkite on Friday evening at 10 o'clock on the 22nd of November of 1963, the arc of American history would be quite different, would it not?

00:25:38.380 Absolutely.

00:25:38.900 I mean, imagine if the story that the Post ran yesterday ran in July 1964, that the chief of covert action operations for the CIA in South Florida knew all about the man who just killed the president.

00:25:53.460 I mean, the Warren Commission investigation would have been totally different.

00:25:56.440 It would have been headline news.

00:25:58.400 Heads would have rolled at the CIA.

00:26:00.340 And we would have had some explanation for these machinations around the alleged assassin that we can only ask now, 60 years later, when we finally see kind of what was actually going on.

00:26:13.480 I want to go back in time, too, about how you frame, I think, perfectly.

00:26:20.540 You say, look, if you think about – and so many people, I think, have forgotten this over a time where young people don't know it.

00:26:27.460 But if you go back to the early – from the beginning of Kennedy's administration, the Bay of Pigs happened literally when he shows up within, I think, 60 days of the administration.

00:26:38.420 He then has the Cuban – of course, Vienna, but with Khrushchev. 0.79

00:26:41.140 Then he has the Cuban Missile Crisis in the – not just liberal, but I think the way that we all know the Cuban Missile story that this elegant president stared down diplomatically Khrushchev and the Russians and Castro.

00:26:54.760 But the way you tell the story from the national security apparatus, the Pentagon and the CIA, they were livid.

00:27:03.120 They thought this was a major defeat because the commitment – he made two commitments.

00:27:07.500 Number one, won't invade Cuba.

00:27:09.240 Number two, that – about the missiles and I guess in Turkey.

00:27:13.360 But the not invading Cuba, the Pentagon and the CIA were absolutely livid about that.

00:27:21.080 I tell you, can you give me 30 seconds or we're going to go to break.

00:27:23.500 Can you give me 30 seconds on how they were – they thought that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a massive defeat?

00:27:29.200 Yeah.

00:27:29.440 So not only had Kennedy not consulted them in resolving the crisis without war, but that he had actually given Castro sanctuary.

00:27:38.780 And we see the CIA taking these first aggressive steps towards secret operations involving Oswald in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:27:51.780 That's when it starts.

00:27:52.720 I'll tell you what, let's take a short commercial break.

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00:27:59.800 We understand from what's been written publicly that he's working on a new book that incorporates this new information.

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00:29:51.880 Jefferson Morley's with us.

00:29:54.080 And, Jefferson, I want to get to the new book you want to write.

00:29:55.940 But just going back in time, you know, the CIA was only 13 years old.

00:29:59.580 But you see there in your book and others that there's this huge gap between the elected officials, in this case a liberal or progressive president, although a cold warrior and a hero, a naval hero from World War II.

00:30:17.980 So this guy was no wimp and no peacenik.

00:30:20.760 But a huge gap between people who are saying, hey, we've got to think through diplomacy here.

00:30:26.320 We've got these nuclear weapon proliferation.

00:30:29.020 And the Curtis LeMay and guys who are very hardcore, who kind of won the war against the Germans and the Japanese, they see American power, plus these kind of Ivy League guys in the CIA.

00:30:43.940 And they – you can see forming already what people call the deep state.

00:30:47.640 They have a different philosophy, a different national security policy, a different foreign policy.

00:30:53.720 And you bring it to highlight in your book on Angleton and now all this new revelations.

00:30:59.320 Is this the reason why we've got to get to the bottom of the Kennedy assassination to really, I think, go forward as a country?

00:31:08.200 You've seen the firestorm we've had in the last couple of days on this issue.

00:31:11.160 People are bringing up the issue.

00:31:12.360 I know you – I think you wrote a book on Watergate, the coup against Nixon.

00:31:17.640 I mean, what are your thoughts about this?

00:31:19.140 Do we have to solve actually at least to what reasonable people can understand of what happened back then to really go forward as a country about who actually governs us?

00:31:31.860 This is why the issue of the JFK assassination endures.

00:31:35.940 And people like you and me coming from very different positions politically, left and right, see things in the same way.

00:31:42.840 I would say that this crucial event where – I would say what I describe in the Angleton book is once there was no accountability around Kennedy's assassination, the CIA and these national security agencies effectively had impunity.

00:31:58.320 And so that impulse in U.S. foreign policy and U.S. intelligence making was never checked.

00:32:07.000 It's had free reign ever since.

00:32:09.480 And I think that's what leads to these forever wars that we're involved in.

00:32:15.080 You know, Harry Truman called for the abolition of the CIA right after Kennedy's assassination.

00:32:19.500 And it's a very telling column that he writes for The Washington Post on December 22, 1963, exactly one month after.

00:32:28.980 You talk about, you know, what would have been the headline, you know, if it had been known that the chief of covert action was following Oswald in the summer of 63 or that James Angleton had a fat file on the alleged lone gunman.

00:32:41.440 You know, people would have listened to Truman, you know, his call for the abolition of the CIA was pretty much ignored in the country's shock and grief.

00:32:49.780 Nobody connected Kennedy's assassination to the CIA except for the ex-president who signed the CIA into existence, Harry Truman.

00:33:00.500 You know, so that's where – that's why this story still matters.

00:33:04.360 That's why we're still talking about it because it does have a contemporary relevance.

00:33:07.860 How do we govern ourselves today?

00:33:09.600 How do we control a secret intelligence agency, a $15 billion a year agency?

00:33:15.460 Can it be controlled by an elected legislature?

00:33:18.240 You know, that's the challenge that we're facing right now.

00:33:22.620 I will tell you, having worked in the White House and done the National Security Council and the interagency process, it's not just a – it's not simply a $15 billion agency.

00:33:31.480 Its hands are in everything.

00:33:33.880 This is – it's all pervasive, and it comes from – it comes from this assassination.

00:33:37.560 You are now, I understand, from the press working on a new – and you're kind of the guy that I think people go to for facts and for truth and not wild conspiracy theories on this.

00:33:46.740 Are you going to take this latest revelation, which Anna Paulina Luna – it's so amazing that some of these young people are saying, we've got to get the facts out here.

00:33:54.140 Are you going to take that, and are you working on a new book about the Kennedy assassination?

00:33:57.880 I mean, the short answer is yes, but let me say something about Representative Luna, who I did not even know four months ago.

00:34:07.440 I'd never even heard her name.

00:34:09.220 And I've got to work with her over the last three months.

00:34:12.140 Again, very different – coming from a very different place than me politically.

00:34:15.960 She's very red.

00:34:17.040 I'm very blue.

00:34:17.660 She's terrific on this issue, and we never would have obtained the file of George Joanides if it wasn't for Representative Luna pressuring the CIA, and Director Ratcliffe deserves credit for making it available and for making other JFK records available.

00:34:34.860 So Luna really helped make the system work on JFK records.

00:34:39.060 That's very important, and with these records, yes, I can write – I think I can write the last chapter in a book about what we have learned about the CIA's role in the events of November 22nd, 1963.

00:34:54.480 Do you agree right now with Harry Truman?

00:34:57.060 Should President Trump make it a priority to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency, sir?

00:35:02.520 You know, a continental nation like the United States needs an intelligence agency.

00:35:09.060 I go back to one of the key documents that was released last March, thanks to President Trump's order, a memo by Arthur Schlesinger, written in 1961, called Reorganization of the CIA, in which he recommended, I think, a very thoughtful solution, which is put this clandestine service under the control of the State Department.

00:35:29.180 Don't let it be a standalone agency with responsibilities for both intelligence and operations.

00:35:35.760 Because, as Schlesinger said, it will come to dominate and preempt the president's foreign policymaking authority.

00:35:44.500 You know, Schlesinger said in that memo in 1961, the last thing that was declassified that Schlesinger wrote was that 47 percent of State Department officers,

00:35:57.780 at the time of Kennedy's inauguration in January 1961, 47 percent of those State Department officers were actually CIA officers.

00:36:07.360 That's how much the CIA had kind of infiltrated the operations of the U.S. government itself.

00:36:12.420 Until that changes, until there's some authority put over the CIA, some fundamental reform,

00:36:18.320 I think you're going to have an independent actor in foreign policy that is really just as strong as the president.

00:36:26.220 I don't – since you brought it up, I don't want to bring up a sore subject, but I think in the Oliver Stone school of this,

00:36:32.840 wouldn't he argue that Schlesinger's memo is one of the things that triggered some of the bad hombres inside the CIA to say, hey, we have a problem here, sir?

00:36:42.180 I mean, you know, we can speculate all we want about conspiratorial, you know, scenarios.

00:36:48.480 There's no doubt that Kennedy and the national security upper echelon in the joint chiefs in the CIA were very alienated after the Cuban missile crisis,

00:36:59.860 and that continued for the rest of Kennedy's presidency.

00:37:02.740 That's not – that's not open to dispute.

00:37:05.360 And now what's not open to dispute is the CIA knew a whole lot more about the man who allegedly killed the president than they ever admitted.

00:37:15.680 And, in fact, one other way to lie about it.

00:37:17.920 Jefferson, where do people go to get you on social media?

00:37:21.320 Where do they go to get your writings?

00:37:22.960 And particularly, I think something – if you're writing a new book on the CIA, you've written a couple of great books.

00:37:29.020 I would recommend everybody get the Angleton book, The Ghost.

00:37:31.620 You can follow my JFK reporting at jfkfacts on Substack, which is jfkfacts.substack.com.

00:37:42.520 You can buy my books, The Angleton Book, at jeffersonmorleybooks.com.

00:37:47.340 And you can follow me on Twitter, X, at jeffersonmorley.

00:37:51.800 Those are the places where you'll get the latest developments on the JFK story as they happen.

00:37:58.660 Jefferson, one last thing.

00:38:02.380 Pete, you're kind of revered in this whole area of people that are still fascinated and realize not just fascinated, but something needs to be – we need to get closure on this to go forward as a country.

00:38:12.700 JFK Facts is kind of a revered site.

00:38:14.840 Just give me a minute on what is JFK Facts.

00:38:18.300 What do you do to curate that site?

00:38:20.060 JFK Facts, we created JFK Facts in 2012, looking ahead to the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination.

00:38:30.720 And a colleague and I, Rex Bradford, lamented the fact that there is so much bad journalism on JFK's assassination.

00:38:39.760 Factual errors, evidence ignored, witnesses misinterpreted, you know, just – the JFK journalism was pretty terrible.

00:38:51.820 And so we created JFK Facts to report factually on new information related to Kennedy's assassination, information that we vetted, that we made sure was true or, you know, probably true.

00:39:04.640 Or if we weren't sure, we made clear that we weren't sure.

00:39:08.840 We also didn't spend a lot of time on conspiracy theories, debating them pro or con.

00:39:13.720 Our facts were – our approach was, let's report on what's new, good information, let's eliminate the bad information, and let's lobby against secrecy around JFK records.

00:39:26.540 We started that in 2012 with President Trump's order in January 2025.

00:39:32.080 We actually improbably achieved that goal.

00:39:36.300 We are getting close and closer to full JFK disclosure.

00:39:40.440 And as we get closer, we get significant information.

00:39:44.180 You know, look at what Rep. Luna achieved by getting the Joe Anides personnel file out there.

00:39:49.000 We have a new perspective on CIA operations at the time of Kennedy's assassination.

00:39:55.160 We have new, important information about that.

00:39:58.320 And so we've gained something.

00:40:00.140 That's a good accomplishment.

00:40:05.100 Jefferson Morley, thank you so much for joining us here in the war room.

00:40:07.600 Make sure everybody will push out these sites or social media and make sure people go and check it out.

00:40:12.100 Thank you.

00:40:13.320 Steve, thanks for having me.

00:40:16.480 Thank you.

00:40:17.200 So yesterday, that was the press conference.

00:40:18.800 It was going to be APL, the great APL, who's really worked here with John Ratcliffe, CIA, to make this disclosure.

00:40:25.280 And Jefferson is going to join us.

00:40:26.940 APL is very tied up.

00:40:27.940 We're going to try to get her in the next couple of days. 0.96

00:40:29.980 Let's play.

00:40:30.360 We have a clip.

00:40:31.200 We have Amanda Head, one of my favorite people, on deck.

00:40:34.300 Let's play the clip from their interview this morning.

00:40:37.180 And I'll bring Amanda in. 0.99

00:40:40.700 For all the things that have happened, there is the Russia collusion against you.

00:40:44.780 There is Jack Smith against you.

00:40:46.800 There's all the things that happened in 2020, not investigating China interference in the 2020 election.

00:40:52.580 Where do you think, what are the things that are most important that you would like to see the FBI get to the bottom of?

00:40:58.700 I think they could look at all of it.

00:41:00.360 It's all the same scam.

00:41:01.620 They could look at this Jeffrey Epstein hoax also, because that's the same stuff.

00:41:06.040 That's all put out by Democrats.

00:41:07.600 And, you know, some of the naive Republicans fall right into line like they always do.

00:41:13.860 They just don't have the sustainability.

00:41:17.200 They don't have the something.

00:41:18.700 They don't have that stick to it like glue.

00:41:21.740 The Democrats, you know, they have bad policy.

00:41:24.280 They have bad candidates.

00:41:26.040 They have bad everything.

00:41:27.600 But they stick together.

00:41:29.120 The Republicans don't do that.

00:41:30.520 But they ought to look into the Jeffrey Epstein hoax, too, because that's another hoax that's frankly put out by the Democrats, pushing the Republicans and put out by the Democrats.

00:41:41.060 No, they definitely set the Republicans up.

00:41:43.160 One big prosecutor look at it all.

00:41:45.180 Would that make you feel good, you think?

00:41:47.260 Well, I think it's in the case of Epstein.

00:41:49.680 They've already looked at it, and they are looking at it.

00:41:51.920 And I think all they have to do is put out anything credible.

00:41:55.680 But, you know, that was run by the Biden administration for four years.

00:41:59.060 I can imagine what they put into files, just like they did with the others.

00:42:03.380 I mean, the Steele dossier was a total fake.

00:42:05.980 It took two years to figure that out for the people.

00:42:09.440 And all of the things that you mentioned were fake.

00:42:12.180 So I would imagine if they were run by Chris Wray and they were run by Comey, because it was actually even before that administration, they'd been running these files.

00:42:22.600 And so much of the things that we found were fake with me, but especially you look at that Steele dossier where they paid like $14 or $16 million.

00:42:32.380 That's more than James Patterson gets paid to do a number one bestseller.

00:42:36.280 Isn't that crazy?

00:42:36.900 And the thing turned out to be a total scam.

00:42:38.880 So, frankly, you know, I think I love that they're looking at all this stuff.

00:42:43.960 If they are, I hope they are.

00:42:45.660 Yeah.

00:42:46.040 We've definitely confirmed it.

00:42:47.280 They definitely are.

00:42:48.120 Mr. President, this is something that could give the American people answers on three different elections, 2016, 2020, and 2024.

00:42:55.200 But to get that rolling, there are two sets of documents that are key to identifying possible conspiracy.

00:43:01.740 But a grand jury can't see them unless you declassify them.

00:43:05.340 Would you declassify the classified annex in the Hillary Clinton email case, as Senator Grassley has been asking?

00:43:11.420 Well, I would do that.

00:43:12.800 I would do that, absolutely.

00:43:14.600 I think it should be looked at.

00:43:17.060 The whole thing was a scam.

00:43:18.740 Yeah.

00:43:19.100 And I would do that gladly.

00:43:20.480 OK, Amanda Head, we're going to take a short commercial break here.

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00:45:00.660 I want to read.

00:45:04.500 John Selman just put out a tweet a moment ago.

00:45:07.000 President Trump's movement is important for a step.

00:45:09.160 Attorney General Bondi should now name prosecutor, release an index of all docs collected, identify what is being withheld and why, and then ask the Southern District of New York judge to unseal 2019 grand jury materials.

00:45:22.700 Amanda Head, you were part of that and asked some great questions there.

00:45:25.860 We just had Jefferson Morley on 60-some years later, ma'am.

00:45:29.440 We're still struggling with getting all the information out about President Kennedy.

00:45:33.700 Here we had, I would argue, the third coup d'etat in the last 60 years against President Trump, starting with, you know, Crossfire Hurricane and all the stuff you and John Selman cover every night.

00:45:44.920 Make this make sense to us right now.

00:45:46.520 Now, where are we in all of this, and what do you anticipate?

00:45:50.060 You're going to play the entire interview without commercial break here at the top of the hour.

00:45:55.180 Walk us through what you've learned from that and where we are late this afternoon.

00:45:59.620 Yeah, so you asked me to make this make sense, so I'm coming freshly off of information from President Trump.

00:46:04.880 So let me tell you how these two stories kind of amalgamate together.

00:46:07.760 So I know John came on your show and talked about the grand conspiracy case.

00:46:12.300 This is something that started with Hillary Clinton's email case and could conceivably carry all the way through the 2024 election.

00:46:19.040 And that's why I specifically asked that question to President Trump about covering those three elections,

00:46:23.700 because we all know that there were issues starting in 2016, certainly issues with the election in 2020.

00:46:30.140 But also we know about the CCP sending over driver's licenses to be used to favor Joe Biden in the 2024 election.

00:46:36.080 So you have this 10-year grand conspiracy, and the question that we asked the president,

00:46:40.840 which is different from what was asked to the president when he had his bilat with the leader of Bahrain,

00:46:47.560 I think that person asked President Trump if he was going to appoint a special counsel to reexamine the Epstein documents.

00:46:53.580 What we asked the president was, can you include this in the grand conspiracy?

00:46:58.740 Can you broaden the scope so that this is included within those investigations?

00:47:03.340 And I know that John explained a lot of these details, but forgive me while I rehash some of them,

00:47:08.340 because they're important to what we talked about today.

00:47:11.060 So now that you have this 10-year grand conspiracy that's being investigated,

00:47:14.640 you now have multiple different venues, one of which is Florida because of the infamous raid at Mar-a-Lago.

00:47:19.640 So you can have a grand jury impaneled in Florida.

00:47:22.340 You're going to have a much more, I don't even want to say favorable, just a fair grand jury,

00:47:26.820 where you can actually see charges coming out of this.

00:47:29.180 But the reason that that matters is because the person who would be examining all of this,

00:47:33.380 and if I know who the person is, I am very confident in this person's ability to investigate and litigate.

00:47:39.980 And so that would be looped in with this.

00:47:42.180 But I will say, Steve, I do sense that the president realizes that this is not going to go away.

00:47:49.660 I did get that sense from him today.

00:47:51.740 I also get the sense that they're, you know, President Trump is fiercely loyal,

00:47:55.580 and I know that he is defending Pam Bondi face forward.

00:47:59.020 But the goodness knows this would not be the first time that a president had, you know,

00:48:03.840 a discrepancy with his attorney general, Nixon and Richardson, Johnson and RFK, Truman and McGrath,

00:48:09.480 even Donald Trump with Jeff Sessions.

00:48:11.420 So I'm not sure.

00:48:13.560 I'm not saying that I know anything on the inside as far as palace intrigue and what the fate of Pam Bondi is.

00:48:19.540 I will just say that I can tell that there is distance between the two of them.

00:48:23.180 I can tell that the president still cares about transparency.

00:48:26.440 He does realize you can't spend 10 seconds on X and not scroll past a tweet of someone talking about how angered they are

00:48:33.260 that the Epstein documents are not coming out.

00:48:35.640 So I don't want to split the baby here, but I will say I do think President Trump realizes

00:48:41.120 the egregiousness of trying to force the American people to move on from Epstein.

00:48:47.340 And at the same time, you know, he's mentioned this numerous times also last week in that cabinet meeting

00:48:52.620 that caused such an uproar when he said we should be focusing on the successes and at the time the Texas floods.

00:48:57.600 And I think that those two things can be right at the same time because you look at all that President Trump has done,

00:49:02.740 and this was, you know, this is a larger part of our conversation with him with regards to tariffs

00:49:07.120 and all the revenue that that's brought in.

00:49:09.040 The fact that we are, I think, closer in this administration to reaching a balanced budget

00:49:13.720 between the Supreme Court cases that have allowed President Trump to carry out mass layoffs

00:49:18.480 and the firings at the Department of Education, rescissions packages that are still going to be coming

00:49:22.680 from the White House through Congress, and then on top of that, you know,

00:49:25.940 possibly $300 billion worth of tariff revenue.

00:49:28.580 You now have this beautiful creation, this beautiful world where we can actually come closer to budget balance

00:49:37.000 than we ever have before.

00:49:38.320 And I'm not saying that Epstein is not important.

00:49:40.480 I just think that President Trump is trying to, he's trying to make sure that we don't not talk about those things.

00:49:48.200 No, it's, and by the way, your theory of the case, you add three to three and a half percent growth

00:49:53.460 with tax charts, and my baby increased taxes for the upper bracket, I'm all in on Amanda's heads.

00:50:00.320 I can see the sunlit uplands on balance, but I'm telling you, it's not too crazy.

00:50:05.020 We could actually do this.

00:50:06.220 Amanda, and going back, we just had Jefferson Moreland.

00:50:08.720 We're still wrestling with Kennedy 60 years later.

00:50:11.100 We don't need to wrestle with this and pass this on to future generations.

00:50:15.000 If we get into the 10-year criminal conspiracy against Trump, you put Epstein in there, the special prosecutor.

00:50:21.240 The reason is, it all is about who governs us as a country.

00:50:25.640 Amanda Head, your closing thoughts, ma'am.

00:50:28.320 Yeah, see, when you create a culture of transparency at the White House and in Washington,

00:50:33.220 and that culture comes from the top, Donald Trump, when you create a culture of transparency,

00:50:38.140 it can transcend to things much far beyond Epstein, including JFK and a whole plethora of other cases.

00:50:44.380 Because I'll tell you this, if it doesn't happen during this administration,

00:50:47.300 even if there is another MAGA candidate who comes behind Donald Trump,

00:50:51.080 I don't know if this opportunity will ever come across again.

00:50:54.340 So President Trump has got to get it done.

00:50:57.780 Amanda, what's your social media?

00:50:59.380 We're all going to stick around for the 6 o'clock for your interview.

00:51:03.200 Adam, Amanda, pretty simple.

00:51:05.440 Pretty simple, yeah.

00:51:06.580 Amanda Head.

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Bannon's War Room - July 16, 2025

Episode 4637： Secret Life Of The CIA

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