Bannon's War Room - Episode 4639： MTG Pushes Bill To Release Epstein Files; Rise Of The Central Bank Digital Currency

00:00:00.000 past jurisdiction and past president. Why are you doing this? This is outrageous. This is a

00:00:06.120 Kendraue court. That's what we have here. This is wrong to violate your own rules without going by

00:00:12.360 the mandates of the parliamentarian. This is unbelievable. There's a way to do this. If you

00:00:19.640 want to force this through, if you want to ram this through, there's a way to do it in accordance

00:00:25.180 to the rules as spelled out by the parliamentarian. It is simple. It is clear. There's a pathway to

00:00:33.400 achieve what you're trying to achieve. But sir, this lacks decency. It lacks decorum. It shows that

00:00:40.780 you do not want to simply hear from your colleagues. This is absolutely wrong. And sir, this

00:00:47.620 is to me one of those moments where we are not showing common respect for each other on both

00:00:53.360 sides. I have sat here when we were in the majority and listened to my colleagues' arguments,

00:00:58.860 listened to their passionate statements, and then we voted. This is not that. This is us simply trying

00:01:05.560 to rush through one of the most controversial nominees we've had under this presidential

00:01:10.580 administration. Sir, God bless America. You are a good man. You are a decent man. Why are you doing

00:01:16.800 this? What is Donald Trump saying to you that are making you do something which is violating

00:01:21.940 the decorum of this committee, the rules of this committee, the decency and the respect that we

00:01:28.240 have each other to at least hear each other out? I've sat through so many long speeches of my

00:01:34.420 colleagues, heard their objections, listened with sincerity to try to see what their arguments are.

00:01:41.280 But we are not doing that. Sir, this is wrong. And you know it. There are some people on this

00:01:46.900 committee who are the least firebrand people, and they've walked out. Some of the least controversial

00:01:52.220 people in the Senate, some of the people that worked the hardest to find bipartisan common ground

00:01:57.500 have just walked out of this committee. And you don't even seem to care, but I know you do.

00:02:02.580 I know your heart, Senator Grassley. This is wrong. I know the kind of person you are,

00:02:08.360 and you know this is wrong. There's no—this is not necessary. What is another half an hour

00:02:13.380 to allow senators to be heard? It's what the Constitution mandates. It's the ideals of the

00:02:19.140 United States Senate. The world's most deliberative body should take a decent amount of time to

00:02:24.180 deliberate. But here we're not doing that. Here we are jamming this through with some sense of false

00:02:30.760 urgency. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going

00:02:41.460 medieval on these people. Here's another time I got a free shot at all these networks lying

00:02:46.520 about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.

00:02:51.580 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's

00:02:54.460 going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my

00:03:01.520 soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is

00:03:08.260 my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:03:15.820 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:03:22.720 It's Thursday, 17 July, Year of the Lord, 2025. Rachel Bovard's with us. I'm going to get back

00:03:27.960 to Rachel in a moment on this massive scandal about the autopilot. But you saw right there,

00:03:32.800 the Senate is now kind of in chaos about the vote for Emil Bove to be an appellate judge. He's one of

00:03:40.000 President Trump's top lawyers. And you just saw right there, absolute chaos in the Senate. MTG joins

00:03:45.840 us right now. A little bit of chaos in the House. I'm totally confused about kind of what you're voting

00:03:52.020 on, what is in, what is out. We hear deals are being made. Then things get voted on and it's not in the

00:03:57.140 deal. Let's talk, let's start with the Genius Act. I'm very confused about the Genius Act. I thought

00:04:04.340 there was a deal made by the President to make sure that included was going to be the central bank

00:04:10.500 digital currency. There'd be no possibility of a backdoor to get that. So where are we?

00:04:17.680 Steve, let me explain something. In 1971, we went off of the gold standard. The Federal Reserve did that.

00:04:24.520 And we went to cash, a cash society. And the value of the dollar has drastically gone down to the

00:04:30.800 buying power is less than 10 cents now from where it was in the 1950s before we went off the gold

00:04:36.360 reserve. What's happening today on July 17th in 2025, when no one is paying attention, no one's talking

00:04:43.940 about it. Everyone is in blind rage about the Epstein files, and I don't blame them. However, right now,

00:04:51.680 what is being voted on today in Congress is the entire setup, groundwork, and entire infrastructure

00:04:59.260 being laid to move from cash to digital currency. And the number one thing that is not happening today

00:05:06.640 is a ban on a central bank digital currency. This means the ability for the government to take control

00:05:14.060 of your digital bank account where all your money is and turn it off. And this is why I'm so upset and

00:05:21.580 it's not being talked about. Steve, I was the only no vote on the rule last night. And Congress set a

00:05:28.100 record last night, and no one's talking about that either. This was the longest vote held open for a rule

00:05:35.480 in history, in history. And it finally shut down sometime around midnight, because there was a deal made and

00:05:43.120 the deal will not be honored. It was a deal that Speaker Johnson made. And he said that he would put a ban on

00:05:50.060 central bank digital currency in the NDAA. But let me tell you something, that's going to get stripped out in the

00:05:56.320 Senate, because what they told us all week long is the Senate does not have the votes to pass a ban on a central bank

00:06:03.200 digital currency. So I want to lay this out straight for you all. You never thought in your lifetime that

00:06:09.600 the government would shut you down, would close your churches, would close your schools, would close your

00:06:15.600 business. And that happened only a few years ago. But what is happening today is the groundwork is being

00:06:21.680 laid, and it's all in the name of cryptocurrency and stablecoin. But it is the entire regulatory process

00:06:27.500 to switch us from cash to a cashless society to digital currency that can be controlled by the

00:06:36.160 federal government. And there will be no ban on a central bank digital currency. There will be

00:06:42.760 no way to protect your ability to fully control your digital currency in the future. And I'm voting no to

00:06:50.760 this today. I don't know if there'll be any other no votes on the Republican side. But I'm voting no to

00:06:56.280 this because I'm a Christian. And I've read the Bible. And I believe what Revelations 13, 16 through

00:07:02.520 17 says. And I just cannot vote for a future system that will do that. But it's okay, hang on. But I

00:07:10.780 thought at one time, you had a dozen or maybe 25, you had the House Freedom Caucus, plus others that are

00:07:17.280 saying, hey, we don't support any possibility of having a central bank digital currency. A lot of them are

00:07:23.580 concerned about things in the Genius Act overall, but they're prepared to, you know, say, we'll let

00:07:27.520 that go forward. But they're adamant about the central bank digital currency. Where are all the

00:07:31.840 other dozen, 20, 24 people that were with you? They remain concerned. Don't get me wrong. My

00:07:39.140 colleagues remain. I'm not in the Freedom Caucus. So I'm going to lay that out right there. My colleagues

00:07:44.120 remain concerned about a central bank digital currency. As a matter of fact, that was expressed as a

00:07:49.980 concern by Republicans in every meeting that I was in. But yet there was no massive effort on a large

00:07:57.440 scale to stop a central bank digital currency. It's just this. They were saying, we've got to deliver.

00:08:03.800 The president wants us passed. We didn't even know about the Genius Act until Monday. But they're

00:08:08.680 saying we have to have this passed. He wants a signing ceremony on Friday. He wants us done. And

00:08:14.100 they're willing to push it forward without guaranteeing and passing on the front end. My demand

00:08:20.400 is let's do this on the front end. Let's stop the central bank digital currency first. And then let's

00:08:26.940 pass this stuff. But no one is willing to do that. They were willing to make deals that I don't believe

00:08:32.580 will hold. Because we were told all week, Steve, by everyone, that a ban on CBDC, central bank digital

00:08:41.620 currency, will not pass in the Senate. There are not 60 votes for that. So by Johnson putting it in

00:08:47.460 the NDAA and saying this is our effort to get it to pass, it doesn't mean that it's going to pass in

00:08:53.340 the Senate. They're going to gut it out. We watch them do that with the BBB. They're going to do it

00:08:59.680 with Clarity, the other Bitcoin, the regulatory, the market regulatory bill that will pass today.

00:09:06.340 They do this all the time. And the House constantly gets jammed. And here's one thing that really makes

00:09:12.140 me angry, Steve. This was a closed rule. Johnson did not allow us to make amendments to the Genius

00:09:19.580 Act, to make an amendment to put a ban on CBDC in the Genius Act. We were told, you don't have a right

00:09:27.080 to amendments. You don't get to do your legislative process anymore. You just have to vote on it. And they

00:09:32.660 forced it through making what I think is a fake deal. And I wish the Freedom Caucus had held,

00:09:39.020 but they didn't. They want to work and they want to pass the president's agenda. And I do too.

00:09:44.740 But I'm not willing to go along with the pathway to a central bank digital currency in a cashless

00:09:51.800 society where none of us can control our money. Because I don't trust the government. And no one

00:09:57.160 else should trust the government. And just because this administration is committed to that doesn't

00:10:02.620 mean that a future administration will not lock down our bank accounts if we are not doing and

00:10:08.340 saying what they want us to do. We've already been there. That was the past four years. I don't want

00:10:12.360 to ever go back to that. And I don't want that future for my children, Steve. And so I am upset today.

00:10:19.160 I'm adamantly no to this. And I wish I had more Republicans standing with me.

00:10:27.940 One last thing before you go, also, with all these votes coming on today,

00:10:31.480 is did seven or eight or nine Republicans join Ro Khanna in co-sponsoring? I saw Birchett's name,

00:10:39.320 Eli Crane, Burleson's, yours, some of the hardest core Trump supporters.

00:10:44.240 Me too. Me too. I'm one. I'm a co-sponsor. I'm a co-sponsor.

00:10:49.420 So your co-sponsor, what is the legislation? What's the legislation? What's the amendment?

00:10:56.140 It's legislation. It's a bill that will call for the DOJ to release the Epstein files. I was the

00:11:02.140 first co-sponsor with Thomas Massey. It's a bill and we've got to do a discharge petition.

00:11:07.060 So we have to get 218 to sign the discharge petition. We can pull it out and force a vote

00:11:13.540 on the floor. Look, I think this is the right thing to do. Transparency, no matter what,

00:11:18.700 whatever the information is, we figure it out when it comes out. But when it comes to the most

00:11:23.860 famous pedophile in our modern day history that ran in circles with the most rich, elite and powerful

00:11:31.380 people in the world, yeah, I think America deserves to know.

00:11:37.520 And when would that, can that actually come to a vote? I guess you're going to do a discharge

00:11:41.720 position so they can't lock you guys up in the rules. Would that come to a vote today or tomorrow?

00:11:46.520 No, it won't because it takes seven days with the discharge petition. And so that,

00:11:53.180 I believe that would go into next week, but I don't even know if we're going to be in session

00:11:56.400 next week. There's a rumor that it may get canceled, but I'm not confirmed on that.

00:12:03.080 MTG, where do people go on social media and your website? Because you're in the middle of

00:12:07.560 a number of different fights that people are going to want more information about. Where do they go?

00:12:12.440 Rep MTG. And Steve, let me tell you, you guys need to start paying attention to this. Digital

00:12:18.280 currency is where we lose control of our money. And I'm afraid nobody's paying attention to it.

00:12:24.880 It's happening today.

00:12:28.120 Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you. Appreciate you giving everybody a heads up on this.

00:12:32.540 The central bank digital currency, that would be the Federal Reserve's digital currency.

00:12:37.240 Rachel Bovard, thank you for giving us some time here to get MTG up before she had to go back to

00:12:43.180 the House. You saw what happened in the Senate. I mean, this is right now, this is as knockdown

00:12:50.080 drag out as you can get. Why have the Republicans not taking something that is so egregious about all

00:12:57.360 these decisions that were made and we don't know actually who made them? And Joe Biden's kind of

00:13:01.580 confessed that. Why have we not nationalized this, ma'am?

00:13:04.240 Well, I think it's a huge failure on the part of Republicans. They are committed to process and

00:13:11.020 doing these depositions and going through the orderly way of doing things. This is a national

00:13:15.480 scandal and they need to be treating it this way. Do you think Liz Cheney was waiting to the end of 1.00

00:13:20.560 the J6 investigation to nationalize it? No, absolutely not. The J6 standard for this stuff

00:13:25.220 is you do your hearings in prime time, you hire cable news producers to produce the entire thing for you,

00:13:31.360 and you leak selective elements of, you know, these transcripts that make your opposition look

00:13:37.540 as guilty as possible and expose the layers of the syndicate that were running the White House

00:13:42.260 on behalf of Joe Biden. Who do you recommend? Who's driving this in the House or the Senate?

00:13:49.300 Anyone right now? Jamie Comer is leading this investigation and House oversight. He's doing

00:13:54.700 a good job, right? He's doing a thorough job. But at the end of the day, this is a stalling operation

00:14:00.200 by these Biden employees. They are trying to wait it out. It is a calculated gamble to push this out

00:14:05.920 until the midterms to see if the House flips control and Democrats make this go away. Or,

00:14:11.440 and I hate to say this, but they are waiting until Joe Biden dies. And in that case, they can just claim

00:14:16.520 this investigation is unseemly. Republicans cannot let them do this. They have to force these

00:14:22.460 individuals. They have to grant them immunity. Either the committee and the House can do it at

00:14:26.680 simple majority, or they need to tell DOJ to do it, but they need to take this Fifth Amendment 0.96

00:14:31.140 excuse away from these witnesses and force them to testify. Because this is, you know,

00:14:35.740 a scandal of massive proportions and goes to the heart of what representative government means.

00:14:41.580 Where do people go on social media to get your writings, ma'am?

00:14:45.340 You can find me on Twitter, at Rachel Bovard, and in The Federalist.

00:14:48.420 We are going to push this article because Rachel Bovard is on to something big.

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00:16:27.580 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:33.780 Okay, Michael Grunwald joins us now, a kind of a blockbuster book. We are eating the earth,

00:16:39.360 the race to fix our food system and save our climate. As you know, with Nicole Shanahan and

00:16:44.900 Bobby Kennedy and others to make America healthy again and Nicole is at the leading thing about

00:16:49.960 agriculture department and how we eat and you can, you know, the thesis of this is that you can cut

00:16:55.520 all the expense of big pharma and stop all this over-vaccination and all these drugs if we eat

00:17:02.340 healthier. Your book is kind of a, I don't know if it's a thing of hope or slap in the face, but

00:17:09.420 basically your thesis is as before we reach peak, um, population start to shrink as we go to about

00:17:16.920 10 billion people, I think we're over eight now. Uh, the very process of modern big agriculture of how

00:17:23.940 we are, how we feed ourselves and particularly how we feed developing nations in the process of doing

00:17:30.860 that. So people don't starve. You're saying we actually have the potential to destroy earth

00:17:37.020 systems. So you don't have a livable planet. Is that essentially the one of the central thesis of

00:17:42.920 the book? Yeah, that's right, Steve. I mean, right now already two of every five acres of this planet

00:17:49.900 are cropped and grazed, right? I mean, we have turned a natural planet into an agricultural planet

00:17:55.160 and it's fine. We got to eat, right? But by 2050, we're on track to deforest another dozen California's

00:18:02.620 worth of land. And we just don't have another dozen California's worth of forest. So I know a lot of

00:18:07.800 your, a lot of your listeners, they care a lot about the earth. Uh, they care a lot about the planet.

00:18:12.440 And right now agriculture is really the big threat to, uh, not only, you know, the climate stuff, but, uh,

00:18:18.700 but biodiversity, water pollution, you know, water shortages, agriculture uses 70% of our land.

00:18:24.760 So, uh, it really is a, it is a challenge that this is, hang on. I think this is what's shocking

00:18:31.860 people. Most people in the way the climate guys have pushed things is that everything's it's

00:18:36.760 industrialization and additional manufacturing. And now, uh, the power for artificial intelligence

00:18:43.360 is massive power needs. We need, you know, the meta guys are building, uh, a, a, uh, a data center.

00:18:50.040 That's the size of Manhattan down in Louisiana. People believe it's that you come out and say,

00:18:55.460 Hey, that's bad, but that's not what's driving. It's actually, uh, feeding ourselves is what's

00:19:01.220 doing it. And I take it. You're saying the forest, cause the United States looks like we're getting

00:19:04.560 more forest or the forests are growing all the time. Are you talking about the rainforest in Brazil

00:19:09.060 in, in, in, in that area of the world? Yeah, that's a big part of it. We're essentially kind

00:19:14.600 of outsourcing our deforestation, right? Cause we already, you know, Indiana used to be 85% forest

00:19:20.200 and, uh, you know, we already tore down our Amazon. Um, but it's true. And right now you hear a lot

00:19:25.080 from both on the left, from the kind of Bernie Sanders and, uh, you know, Cory Booker types. I saw

00:19:30.420 you just had him on, but also some on the right from, uh, from Joe Rogan or, uh, or Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:19:36.380 this idea that, Oh, well, we just need these kinds of twee organic farms with no chemicals.

00:19:41.880 Um, and, uh, and there are some nice things about that, but if you're making less food per acre,

00:19:46.780 you're going to need a lot more acres to make food. And that's essentially going to eat more

00:19:51.180 of the earth. That's, that's really what I'm talking about. So these, these things are complicated

00:19:54.980 in Sri Lanka, they banned all these agrochemicals. And I understand why people don't like the fertilizers

00:20:00.240 and they don't like the pesticides, but the fertilizers help stuff grow. And the pesticides are

00:20:05.340 pretty good at killing pests. And in Sri Lanka, they had incredible food shortages. The government

00:20:10.380 fell. Um, there were massive riots. Uh, you know, this is, this is not the future that we want.

00:20:17.320 Hold it. This is what, because you're, you're still contributing to the New York times

00:20:22.040 and in the book, correct me if I'm wrong, you actually make a case for certain GMOs.

00:20:27.320 Are you, cause this is why I want people to read the book because it's not the kind of left,

00:20:31.820 right debate we've had. It's totally different. You're arguing for pesticides. You're arguing for

00:20:37.140 fertilizer. You're actually also arguing for certain GMOs. Yeah. Again, there's a, there's

00:20:43.040 really no evidence that they're harmful to your, to your health. I mean, I think a lot of things that

00:20:47.440 people eat like Twinkies have GMOs in them, but they're not unhealthy because they're GMOs. They're

00:20:52.220 unhealthy because they're Twinkies, you know, they're junk food. And, uh, and I do think the,

00:20:56.420 some GMOs have really been overhyped, but in the future, as you start gene editing, if you can

00:21:01.500 gene edit crops to have higher yields, to be more drought tolerant, heat tolerant,

00:21:06.020 that's not a left wing or a right wing thing. That's just a common sense. Let's make more food 0.97

00:21:11.560 with less land things so that we don't have to tear down the Amazon and drain all these wetlands

00:21:16.960 and create these problems that are unnecessary.

00:21:19.300 So small because of efficiency or effectiveness, one of the issues that the MAGA movement is taking

00:21:27.840 on is big agriculture. We've had this whole problem with big agriculture now pushing for

00:21:31.900 amnesty for, for, uh, keeping these, uh, kind of indentured servants below, uh, minimum wage or

00:21:38.420 below a wage they can live on. And they want more, they want amnesty for this. So big agriculture has

00:21:42.980 kind of come in the target set of not just Bobby Kennedy, but really Nicole Shanahan has become the

00:21:48.000 leading voice on this and was adamant when these selections were made to the department of

00:21:52.740 agriculture. You've gone through this and you're, I'm not saying you're critical, but you make the

00:21:58.180 observations that all this great stuff about organic farming, all this can't, you can't get the yields.

00:22:03.020 You can't get the scale you need to feed people. So you actually come down on the side of big

00:22:07.300 agriculture.

00:22:08.680 Well, I think people are right to complain about the political power of big ag, right? I had a piece

00:22:13.200 in the New York times about this the other day, how it's absurd, the kind of billions of dollars

00:22:17.200 that we're throwing at really well-off farmers so that they can buy a new Ford F-150 every year.

00:22:22.960 Um, and there's really no strings attached. So it's just, and around the world, there's $600

00:22:27.260 billion worth of agricultural subsidies every year that, uh, you know, that really makes their

00:22:32.800 difference. It makes no difference for, for anyone except for those farmers. It's just coming out of

00:22:37.840 our pockets. And I think farmers get all kinds of exemptions from regulations, not just environmental

00:22:42.780 regulations, but in the United States, even the regulations for, you know, how many hours a truck

00:22:47.840 driver can, can drive. There's an exemption, an exemption if they're making agricultural deliveries.

00:22:52.940 So they're pretty much the most powerful lobby in Washington. And I get why people do it. And I get

00:22:57.800 why people don't like factory farms, right? They treat people badly. They treat animals badly. 0.97

00:23:02.160 They, they make a big mess. Um, but one thing factories do really well is manufacture a lot

00:23:07.660 of stuff and we're going to have to manufacture more food over the next 30 years than we've

00:23:11.940 manufactured over the last 12,000. So my, my case is sort of like, Hey, it's, you know, whether

00:23:18.120 you're big or small, we need you to manufacture a lot of food, but you just got to do it with less

00:23:22.920 mess. Hold it. Walk us through that number again. We're going to have to produce or manufacture

00:23:29.540 more food over the next 30 years than we've done in the previous 12,000.

00:23:34.820 That's right. That's right. We're going to have to do about 50% more food than we're making now.

00:23:39.400 And again, this we're already making way more than we have, uh, since the green revolution,

00:23:44.060 uh, we've tripled our yield. So if it wasn't for all these chemicals and advanced seeds and, uh,

00:23:50.880 you know, fertilizers and irrigation, um, we would need three times as much land to, uh, to make the

00:23:56.600 amount of food that we're using today to feed 8 billion people to feed 10 billion. Uh, we're

00:24:01.540 going to need a lot more food. We're going to need a lot more meat. And of course people hate when I

00:24:05.360 say this, but, uh, beef is a spectacularly inefficient form of nutrition for us where we're

00:24:11.520 eating. We're, we're getting about 3% of our calories from beef and it's using half of our

00:24:16.260 agricultural land. So again, you know, these, uh, no, I'm not going to be popular with this book

00:24:21.400 and, uh, you know, with the left, with the right, you know, left wingers, right wingers,

00:24:24.940 Buffalo wingers, nobody's going to like this. Um, but I'm just trying to spit some facts, you know, 1.00

00:24:30.000 that's, that's where I had you on when I read it. I go, this guy, everybody's going to hate this guy.

00:24:35.100 So what is, so what is your recommend? Well, a lot of people may hate read it. Um, what is your

00:24:44.000 recommendation? Look, America farming is the backbone of the country culturally in the myth

00:24:50.600 of America, our founding today. Uh, what's your recommendation for, and it's also obviously today,

00:24:57.160 huge industry. What's your recommendation for the United States and going forward here, sir?

00:25:01.580 Right. Well, I think, uh, again, like we do, uh, you know, they, they do remind us of this a lot,

00:25:08.160 but it's true. We owe our farmers a great debt, right? They, uh, they make it that the 1% of us

00:25:13.920 who farm make it. So the other 90% of us can have awesome radio shows and write awesome books about,

00:25:19.840 you know, the problems in agriculture and be doctors and bankers and influencers. And you, Nate,

00:25:24.720 you have it. Um, you know, our food does not just miraculously materialize on our grocery shelves.

00:25:30.500 Um, and so we should have respect for them. And in fact, in the United States, we should honor the,

00:25:35.400 the very efficient way that they make our food. And we should encourage the rest of the world to

00:25:39.700 be more like us. And we should be trying to export our food to the rest of the world. But what we

00:25:44.240 should not be doing is just giving them a lot of money and just saying here, we're giving this money

00:25:48.020 because we love you. And because you have great heartland values, we should be attaching some

00:25:52.220 strings to it and saying like, Hey, we want to help you make even more food, but you've got to do it

00:25:56.700 with less land and making less of a mess. Do you think in the United States, how much, how much land

00:26:03.800 is turned to agriculture today? And what would you recommend? You're actually saying take land back

00:26:09.080 from the farmers and what, turn it, turn it back into forest. Not really in the United States, right?

00:26:14.720 Because we're so efficient, but if we can make even more food, and by the way, I will point out,

00:26:19.780 stop using 40 million acres of corn in the middle of the country, like some of the best farmland in the

00:26:25.100 country, and put it into our cars, which is really absurd and just makes, you know, our gasoline and

00:26:31.960 our food more expensive, these biofuels like corn ethanol. I think we want them to make even more food

00:26:38.260 that they can export it for the rest of the rest of the world, so that they don't have to tear down their

00:26:42.460 forests and drain their wetlands. Because honestly, in the United States, that ship already sailed.

00:26:47.380 Michael, where do they get you? What's your social media, and where do people get the book?

00:26:54.300 I'm at Mike Grunwald on X, and you can find my book, you know, wherever books are sold on Amazon,

00:27:03.940 on Barnes and Noble, and, you know, or at your local bookstore. And I really appreciate you having

00:27:10.460 me on, Steve. I think this is, you know, I want everybody to hear this message, because it's not

00:27:16.060 getting out there. And a lot of the only people who seem to care about sustainable farming have

00:27:21.440 been like way left, and putting out these, I think, really absurd ideas. So I think these are

00:27:28.140 the rest of the rest of the country needs to start grappling with this stuff. And even though it's

00:27:32.640 true that a lot of people might hate the book, I grappled.

00:27:35.480 No, no, no. But are you going to debate like the GMO people? You have some people here that, 0.92

00:27:42.100 like GMO, it's a religious conviction. Are you going to get on a stage and debate the GMO people?

00:27:47.200 You know, I did.

00:27:47.960 You would have loved this. At Berkeley, I did a debate with this kind of big agroecology guy.

00:27:52.860 And you know Alice Waters, the big organic chef in San Francisco, charges like $500 a plate. 1.00

00:27:59.220 She was sitting in the third row, just like glaring at me the whole time. It was great. 1.00

00:28:04.020 Grunwald, you're making a lot of enemies on this book. That's why it should be read. Thank you so

00:28:11.560 much for taking time to join us today in the war room. I appreciate it, Steve. I'm back anytime.

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00:29:49.980 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:29:52.100 I definitely recommend you read the Grunwald book. He's taken incoming from both sides. And he's

00:30:02.080 actually making a case that hasn't been made, I think, by a major person that, you know, things

00:30:08.300 you don't have fertilizers, pesticides, GMOs, et cetera, which have been kind of trashed for decades.

00:30:15.400 He's actually making a case that if you want to feed humanity, you got to get serious about that.

00:30:20.300 He take it. Look, he he's the books far from perfect. And but he's taken incoming. He just said

00:30:26.580 right there at Berkeley where he had the, you know, the organic, the perfect those for the foodies,

00:30:33.080 those restaurants is $500 a plate because the food is, you know, farmed a table and absolutely

00:30:38.460 made with pure rainwater and all that. She was glaring at him for what he had to say. So anyway,

00:30:43.560 it's interesting read. But remember, as he said, we're going to have to produce. So if mankind

00:30:48.680 doesn't starve, you're going to have to produce in the next, what, 50 years more food than we've

00:30:53.980 produced in the previous 12,000. So it's just about scale. Alex Jones joins us. Alex, first off,

00:31:02.240 you have been, I think, the first to warn the nation about the issue of digital currency and

00:31:07.480 particularly a central bank digital currency. It looks like today that President Trump wrote an

00:31:13.800 executive order about digital currency. One of the things people said, hey, it doesn't it doesn't

00:31:18.940 shut down the possibility of central bank digital currency. The Genius Act didn't do it. They've

00:31:23.960 got a deal that they're going to slip something in the NDAA, but that may not pass the Senate.

00:31:29.520 Just can you give your overall, the audience, your overall observations when it comes to the

00:31:35.440 potential dangers of a central bank digital currency, sir? It's really hard to overstate how dangerous it

00:31:45.460 is. It is literally the mark of the beast system, a global social credit score, the ESG corporate

00:31:53.880 governance systems right down into your smart devices, your phone, the smart appliances, the AI,

00:32:01.180 surveilling everyone in live time. As you know, China's already had it in place about seven years.

00:32:07.020 Ground robots, drones being directed by it. The goal is you can't leave one foot outside your house,

00:32:13.120 to quote the Chinese communist government. If you're not in good standing, you can't get on a

00:32:19.020 train, you can't rent a car, you can't rent a hotel, you can't have a job. And the UN, the WF and others

00:32:25.020 for decades, and Bill Gates has been heavily involved, have already created the standardization

00:32:29.680 for this with China for a global rollout of central bank digital currencies that the nations then

00:32:35.180 comport to, and essentially it'll end up being one big global corporate new currency that would

00:32:42.740 replace the dollar. So Trump wisely in the last few years said he is against any central bank digital

00:32:46.800 currency system, and he would oppose one foreign, which is basically what the BRICS is forming,

00:32:53.640 and that he would oppose one here. And he has supported Bitcoin and things that actually diversify

00:32:58.780 currencies to the public that are free and open and open source and a competing market

00:33:06.020 of currencies, which is the answer. And so it's really the ring of Sauron to bind everybody together

00:33:14.540 with total control. And we have the head of the IMF and the World Bank and the International Bank of

00:33:20.600 Settlements and the head of the UN and all of them. We have Tedros, the head of the WHO, saying,

00:33:26.160 we need a global central bank digital currency to control everything you do to lock you down

00:33:32.880 during new pandemics they've got planned. This is the mechanism. It'll be your internet ID.

00:33:38.900 It'll do everything. And if we think as populist and conservatives and Christians and common sense

00:33:43.980 people that we've been debanked and harassed as conservatives before, this is exponentially more

00:33:51.780 dangerous. And the big international banks that the Federal Reserve is part of, private,

00:33:58.300 they have said this is their holy grail. And they're really, really trying to roll it out.

00:34:03.780 And so the fact that there is a pathway to this with a digital central bank digital currency dollar

00:34:12.400 in this genius act, and that only MTG and you and a few others have been exposing it,

00:34:17.420 is a nightmare. But 11th hour, we shot down, thanks to you and others exposing it, when they had

00:34:27.080 mainly pro votes for it, a large majority were supporting the AI liability protection for 10 years

00:34:37.980 from the states and individuals, where AI would basically be above the law and could do whatever

00:34:43.700 it wanted. That was just a blank check. We were able to then shoot that down in the big, beautiful

00:34:51.700 bill, 99 to one vote. And so I think as we expose this section of the genius act, I believe that we

00:35:04.720 can probably get that pulled out as well, because I would imagine, you know, Trump sticks to his guns

00:35:09.940 and understands this. And I don't think that Trump probably even knows about this at this point.

00:35:14.300 You might go have lunch with him again and update him on what's happening. But I think if we cause a

00:35:19.700 big enough stink about this, we can shoot this down. But at the end of the day, it's a threat to the

00:35:25.040 dollar. Yeah, they say they're going to put it in, they've committed to put it in the House version,

00:35:32.000 the NDA, where they pass the Senate, but this thing's going to be a fight for the next couple of

00:35:36.080 weeks. But once again, you're saying, hey, this is something we can't even let the possibility of

00:35:41.620 happening because there's so many vested interests that want it to happen.

00:35:47.140 Absolutely. I mean, I'm sure you've seen the clips, but it's all the big UN officials. It's all the

00:35:52.220 central bank heads. It's every time they have a DABOS meeting, it's constant. They say, oh, we're going

00:35:59.360 to control where you go and what you do. And we're going to carbon tax you with this and vaccine

00:36:05.260 passports. And we're going to track how much meat you eat. And then you'll have an allotment of how

00:36:09.500 much you're even allowed to buy. And it's just exponentially bad. We know under Biden, they hired

00:36:14.920 87,000 new IRS agents to target blue collar workers to crush the economy. And it came out,

00:36:20.120 they were using AI with no warrants in live time with all the big banks watching everybody's

00:36:25.900 transactions. And then a waiter that didn't pay 5,000 dollars in taxes for tips over a year gets

00:36:33.020 hit by the IRS. No warrants, nothing. That's just a small window into what this would be like. But

00:36:39.180 everything being tracked in live time, as you know, two years ago, they passed the bill. It was already

00:36:43.260 in all the new cars for a decade. But the Biden administration signed off on it and pushed it

00:36:48.400 that all the new cars track you in live time and have cameras and microphones embedded watching and

00:36:55.200 listening to you reporting back. And they admit this is a plan for road taxing by the federal

00:37:03.000 government. And so I remember 20 years ago, when the smart meters came out, the industry said, oh,

00:37:08.600 we're going to use this to control your meters, you know, for the environment and the earth. People

00:37:13.120 said, oh, they'll never do that. And now the last five years, California, Colorado, you name it,

00:37:18.020 people get notices on their phone. And it says on the smart meter, and it says on the smart

00:37:22.660 thermostat that's connected to the smart meter that they're controlling in your house, hey,

00:37:27.000 we're turning the AC from, you know, 75 up to 85, because it's for the earth. I mean, this,

00:37:34.940 this is a nightmare scenario.

00:37:40.760 The media, I kept this morning, the media is reporting that you've divorced yourself from

00:37:45.320 President Trump. I think it's probably farthest from the truth. Can you just explain to the audience

00:37:51.400 for a second, this Epstein situation and your ongoing relationship with the president and

00:37:57.500 supporting his policies and him? Absolutely. I'd love to clarify that. CNN, Wall Street Journal,

00:38:05.160 you know, the front of Drudge was based on the Democrat Party mouthpiece. You know, Jones divorces

00:38:09.640 Trump. Trump divorces him and his other, and anybody else that questions Epstein. That is totally not

00:38:15.100 true. They've taken little short clips out of context as they always do. I love the president.

00:38:22.460 He has incredible courage. He's getting so much done on the economy, the border, national security.

00:38:26.340 They're really ramping up deportations. They're now found 30,000 of the missing children and

00:38:31.400 prosecutions are beginning. They've fired Maureen Comey that ran with her father, the Epstein case

00:38:38.200 cover-ups on record. So we're really seeing a lot of traction. And in many ways, Trump's doing

00:38:43.560 better than I thought he would do in his first 170 days. But the PR handling of this now 12 days ago,

00:38:50.200 when they slip out this memo to Axios, the globalist mouthpiece, and say he didn't,

00:39:02.200 Epstein wasn't murdered. There was no blackmail rings. Basically, Epstein didn't basically even

00:39:10.260 jaywalk. And none of this exists. This needs to go away. That's a 180 from everything that the record

00:39:17.640 shows and what Trump and his surrogates have been saying that they were going to do. And I simply

00:39:22.860 said, this is a disaster. And I said, I believe Trump just wants to move on from this. And I said

00:39:27.780 that last Monday, when it was all breaking, I surmised that we know the Democrats have had

00:39:33.260 this file. They're not going to leave stuff in there that incriminates them. And the whole history

00:39:38.360 of it, it's 90 plus percent Democrats and globalists like Bill Gates, you know, that are heavily involved

00:39:42.620 in the island and all the, you know, stuff that's going on. And so as soon as the FBI raided back in

00:39:48.620 March, the New York FBI, when they wouldn't turn over the files, I believe that was a setup.

00:39:54.520 And they dropped a dime on themselves and said, oh, there's 14 terabytes 0.56

00:39:57.600 of all these kids being raped and Epstein raping him and all the rest of it. And then 0.93

00:40:02.000 Pam Bondi gets it, gives it to the FBI, which I confirmed from sources. They sent it out to all

00:40:06.260 the offices around the country to look at the file. They come back and say, oh, there's a bunch of

00:40:11.060 FBI reports and implicating, you know, people in the orbit of Trump with no real evidence.

00:40:17.240 And then Trump went, what the hell? Another Russiagate. And so he didn't clarify that the first few days.

00:40:24.640 He just said, you know, people need to basically shut this down. It's bull.

00:40:28.320 And then he hasn't really clarified when he says it's a hoax. It's a Democrat hoax. He's not saying

00:40:34.140 that the Epstein isn't a bad guy and that he wasn't involved in all this evil stuff with the

00:40:38.880 deep state with no connections to Trump that are based in any reality. He just says, it's a hoax.

00:40:44.860 People go, well, wait, Epstein's not a hoax. His lane was convicted of this very stuff. And he'd been

00:40:50.440 charged with it and was convicted once 15, 16 years ago of lesser charges in Florida.

00:40:54.640 So Trump, I think, needs to be very clear that, no, the Epstein case and the evil he did

00:41:01.160 is very real, but they've been in control of this file, Brennan, Clapper, and all the rest of them.

00:41:07.640 And it makes total sense that they falsified all these other records, the Crossfire Hurricane,

00:41:14.240 the Steele dossier, all run by Obama, Clapper, Brennan.

00:41:16.960 Hang on. Are we going to get into the back of that by having a special prosecutor? I mean,

00:41:22.700 they're supposed to declassify certain documents today. We know they had, D&I had a big meeting,

00:41:28.020 I think, on Sunday to talk about declassification. Is that whole criminal conspiracy against Trump

00:41:34.980 for the last 10 years? Because this is kind of part of it. Is that going to be exposed? And you think that

00:41:41.000 that deserves a special prosecutor immediately so we can kind of get on with it? Because the 0.70

00:41:46.180 Justice Department is overwhelmed with defending President Trump against 175 lawsuits that come in,

00:41:52.400 FBI is overwhelmed. Do you need a special prosecutor to get to the core heart of it,

00:41:56.680 of the conspiracy to remove Trump from office?

00:41:59.200 Absolutely. I've been calling for a special prosecutor

00:42:03.080 since he was president-elect. I knew this was going to become a big issue. The Democrats that

00:42:07.840 never wanted any Epstein information released in the previous 15 years, now they want, quote,

00:42:13.320 it all released because they were in control of all the investigations with Comey at the top,

00:42:17.760 his daughter, down at the ground level, literally being given all the cases to limit it only to lower 0.99

00:42:24.160 charges and keep it away from Epstein's handlers. And so exactly. Here's the bottom

00:42:29.120 line. It makes perfect sense. And that's their past MO. And that's what the globalists and Brennan

00:42:36.620 and Comey and Clapper that ran all these other hoaxes have done that, of course, whatever they left

00:42:42.680 in the files that the Trump DOJ was finally able to get is going to cover up anything they did and

00:42:49.800 then put a bunch of disinfo and FBI reports and Jane Doe's that have already turned out to be fake,

00:42:54.840 a rehash of all of that kind of E. Gene Carroll type garbage. And then Trump, when they came back

00:43:01.820 and reported to him a few months ago, what the hell are you talking about? Oh my God, it's another

00:43:06.520 Russia hoax. And then he's all pissed off about it. And then I just don't think he handled it

00:43:12.080 very, very well. It needs to be specific. And yes, a special prosecutor. I called for that again last

00:43:19.340 week. I called for it in the last few days. Now we know that Solomon and others, very respected

00:43:24.060 journalists, have talked to Trump. He says, indeed, that's what he wants. And so that's great. But

00:43:29.640 don't, you know, have Cash Patel and Bongino two months ago try to get ahead of this when they found

00:43:37.500 out, oh my God, these files have been set up. Alex, hang on one second. We're holding you through the

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00:45:08.720 The Alex Jones, they've talked about this grand criminal conspiracy against Trump over a decade,

00:45:13.980 and that is what they're focused on. You see these leaks about Brennan and Comey. I understand that

00:45:19.620 they're talking about a special prosecutor of that so they can bundle it all up and have somebody go

00:45:24.260 through this systematically. Do you agree with that thesis, that that's what they should do?

00:45:30.640 Well, you and I have been saying that for years, and so has General Flynn and others. It is an absolute

00:45:35.540 maximum imperative. We have them with Crossfire Hurricane. We have the documents released by the

00:45:41.300 CIA director and the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. We have them. It's open

00:45:45.480 and shut, directed by Obama, and all they've got to do is bring in Clapper for questioning. He's the

00:45:52.080 weak link. He will sing like a canary. It must be done. This deep state has committed treason against

00:45:57.640 this country. They stole the 2020 election. They ran all these other hoaxes that were attempting coups

00:46:03.420 against our republic. They set us up on J6. They've done all of these things, and they've been in control 0.82

00:46:09.400 of the Epstein cover-up. They obviously put whatever now the DOJ discovered in there that

00:46:14.960 has enraged Trump. I totally believe Trump makes perfect sense. That's all these people have done,

00:46:19.720 and so they have to turn it around against them. They have to be specific about why Trump's saying

00:46:25.180 it's a setup. The files are full of fake BS. They need to have press conferences. They need to go to

00:46:30.640 full war, and more stuff like firing Marine Comey, who, for those that don't know, was given all the

00:46:37.260 Epstein cases and the Diddy cases and all this to limit it and keep the deep state connections

00:46:42.040 and intelligence agency connections out of it. So this has been horribly managed. I need Trump to

00:46:48.080 succeed. Our lives, our country, our future, the West, the world depends on it, and so when I see

00:46:53.900 somebody that's so important to the world, the most important person in the world right now,

00:46:59.180 making horrible decisions and creating the ultimate Streisand effect, when they had months

00:47:07.180 and months and months ago, the binders and phase one, well, where's phase two, and then we're going

00:47:12.160 to get to the bottom of it, and there's a cover-up, and then we're told nothing happened. You're not a

00:47:17.260 MAGA supporter. If you don't shut up, don't ask questions. That is exactly what I'd do if I wanted 0.78

00:47:23.280 to hand the Democrats a total victory. These people are routed. Their poll number's the lowest ever.

00:47:28.560 Their fundraising has flatlined. It's game over if we press the attack, and America wants

00:47:35.820 indictments. We don't just want the head of the FBI in New York to cover it up, the files

00:47:39.920 fired. We want him arrested. We want him indicted. We want Maureen Comey and her father, who perjured

00:47:46.500 himself to Congress and admitted he did, over and over and over again. These people declared war on

00:47:52.400 America. We accepted the challenge. We've taken the major beachhead. We're winning, but now we've got

00:47:58.140 to press the attack now because our enemies are cornered, vicious rats, and now is the time. It is

00:48:04.720 existential, and Ed Martin that they fear, I believe, is the man to not just lead the government

00:48:10.660 weaponization task force and the head pardon lawyer, but he is the man. They should give him a $5 billion

00:48:15.860 budget to go to war with the deep state, and Trump should call his cabinet in today and tell his

00:48:22.500 director of national intelligence and the CIA, Ratcliffe, and all of them, I want in a week, I want all my

00:48:29.820 powers spelled out. I want all the powers you have spelled out constitutionally. I want all this

00:48:35.380 information that we know is cut and dry, and I want indictments now. I want to go on the attack

00:48:42.520 now. It is time to finish off the globalist.

00:48:48.980 And just to reiterate that, Cory Booker just led a walkout in the Senate floor with chaos at the

00:48:54.820 committee meeting to approve and confirm Emil Bovey as an appellate judge. My point is they're

00:49:00.520 at war. They're not going to back off. They just put a statement out. I think that they're not going

00:49:04.200 to confirm any other judges. They're going to go through, grind the Senate to a halt on any more

00:49:08.720 confirmation. So it couldn't be clearer. We've got to go to war with these people, and might as well

00:49:12.800 have it now. Alex Jones, brilliant assessment. Where do people get your show? Where do they get you on

00:49:17.840 social media? They've been trying to shut you down aggressively for the last two or three years. How do

00:49:22.720 people get you? Real Alex Jones on X. I'm also on Rumble, infowars.com forward slash show, and

00:49:30.660 major update. I know we don't have time. I know Lindell's coming up, but they appointed a receiver

00:49:35.800 at the same Democrat state judge court that ran the show trial because the federal judge wouldn't

00:49:40.440 shut down Infowars. So now they've appointed a receiver to try to shut us down in the next two

00:49:44.760 weeks. We're blocking it, but you're right. And Paul Weiss law firm that confessed in their own

00:49:50.120 words criminal activity against Trump and said they'd pay a $40 million restitution for it.

00:49:56.140 They're the law firm running all of this when they promised Trump to stop lawfare against him and his

00:50:01.040 supporters. No, they're saying that they have backed off, but they have not backed off. And if

00:50:06.880 they're still attacking me, you know behind the scenes they're attacking Trump. And so I know Ed

00:50:10.660 Martin and others are looking into that as well. But Paul Weiss and these groups are in a criminal,

00:50:15.520 in my view, opinion, conspiracy against the American people and waging war on us.

00:50:21.460 And it's time for the DOJ to go on the attack.

00:50:28.180 By the way, real quickly, you said in the next two weeks, they're going to try to shut down

00:50:31.300 Infowars again, this whole fiasco we went through about six months ago.

00:50:36.000 Yes, they tried four times last year, had a fake auction, said that Bloomberg backed Onion bought it,

00:50:41.900 and then it wasn't a real auction. The federal judge said this is a fraud. And then they had the

00:50:46.640 U.S. trustee from the DOJ, and the judge fired the last one. They had the new one come in here

00:50:54.160 just three months, four months ago, and turn the internet off and say, kick us out of the building

00:51:00.160 with no court order. We went and blocked that. And so the federal judge is saying, listen,

00:51:05.300 you can sell Infowars, and we have big buyers that will give them a bunch of money.

00:51:09.980 And they say in filings, we don't want money, we want him off the air. And the federal judge says,

00:51:14.460 you don't get that in, quote, restitution. Plus, my cases are all on appeal. The Third Circuit in

00:51:19.620 Texas, who are Democrats, signaled they're going to overturn the judgment. Even Bloomberg reported

00:51:23.620 that. So they're in big trouble. And so they need this win to paper over the insane behavior. In fact,

00:51:31.160 today I'm exposing the biggest news yet. And that's a whole other subject, Steve, in this. But

00:51:36.580 we discovered not just DOJ money to the original law firms that started all this and Democrat Party

00:51:42.760 groups with Senator Blumenthal's operation in Connecticut. Then when they give the DOJ money

00:51:50.460 to the, quote, Sandy Hook charities, the people suing me, as soon as they're given millions of

00:51:55.240 dollars, within one week of that, then the law firms bill those people that exact amount and are

00:52:01.940 given the exact amount of the DOJ money. Yeah. I'll grab you after the show. We want to have

00:52:07.740 you back on, Amargo, through all this. They can't shut down InfoWars, can't shut down Alex Jones. Alex,

00:52:12.440 thank you. Fighting the good fight. Wow. Unbelievable what they're doing to me. Mike Lindell,

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Bannon's War Room - July 17, 2025

Episode 4639： MTG Pushes Bill To Release Epstein Files; Rise Of The Central Bank Digital Currency

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