Bannon's War Room - Episode 4642： No Compromise On Amnesty

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.180 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.380 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.660 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.580 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.020 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.760 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.700 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.960 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.360 Mega Media.

00:00:28.260 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.180 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.900 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.320 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:54.100 Welcome back to The War Room.

00:00:55.900 It's Friday, July 18th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:00:59.080 Natalie Winters hosting, filling in for Steve, who had to leave during the first hour.

00:01:05.160 Don't go anywhere.

00:01:05.840 We, of course, have a packed show.

00:01:08.400 We're going to start it back up again with Isaac Stonefish, sort of an expert in, I would say, corporate sellout.

00:01:15.680 That's maybe too euphemistic a term.

00:01:17.080 To the Chinese Communist Party, I want to pick up sort of where we left off.

00:01:22.680 From my understanding, these ships, sort of in the AI space, really was a significant upper hand that the United States had over China.

00:01:32.000 They obviously dominate us, I think, in some of the more kinetic aspects of warfare, right?

00:01:36.420 The ratios of shipbuilding, though it is civil and military, is like 300 to 1.

00:01:42.040 They dominate the cheap drone market.

00:01:44.260 Obviously, they're expanding and planting flags in weird islands in the South China Sea.

00:01:48.520 They're certainly on the ascent.

00:01:50.440 And this was one of the major concessions thus far that we've given during the trade war.

00:01:55.820 I think the reporting has been that it's sort of a retaliatory thing or just part of the back and forth over particularly the rare earths, which, of course, China dominates to the tune of 90%, at least on the processing side.

00:02:06.960 But I think that this, at least in my opinion, is sort of an unforced error in terms of a concession because it's such not only a critical space, but it's also something that we have the upper hand in.

00:02:18.080 So I just find David Sachs and that crowds mentality that the reason why we need to hand over these chips to the Chinese Communist Party is so we can retain an edge. 0.90

00:02:30.140 If you just sort of want to pick up where you left off and maybe even more to the point, you know, what you would advise in terms of probably locking down a lot of these exports even more.

00:02:41.340 So the question is, where is the U.S.-China relationship going?

00:02:47.460 And if the U.S. and China do go to war, what does that mean for U.S. companies that have worked with the Chinese Communist Party, both from a regulatory and reputational risk perspective, but also from how do we make sure that they're aligned with the U.S. side if something like that happens?

00:03:08.300 And so my worry with what NVIDIA is doing, my worry with what Microsoft has done is if we are setting the stage for wide scale decoupling, why are these companies still so exposed to China and the Communist Party? 0.94

00:03:22.680 So what I would advise, you know, both for friends in the U.S. government and also for the companies themselves, is to know what your exposure to China is and work on ways that you can reduce it and to stop buying the same horse, so to speak.

00:03:38.160 Stop thinking that by strengthening the Chinese Communist Party by selling them technology, you're in some way helping America leapfrog. 0.60

00:03:47.940 That argument didn't work 10 years ago and it shouldn't work today.

00:03:50.760 And last question before I let you go, just your sort of bird's eye perspective on the overview of how the trade war, though I don't like that term, is going.

00:04:01.600 These tariffs, are they giving us an advantage against the Chinese Communist Party or are a lot of these concessions perhaps detrimental?

00:04:09.100 My biggest frustration with the narrative around tariffs is forgetting all of the various trade barriers that China holds up to foreign companies.

00:04:21.080 So there's this perception now that the U.S. is the country that's coming up global trade and that China is the vanguard of free trade.

00:04:31.640 And it's so far from the truth.

00:04:33.480 There's so many barriers to entry of the Chinese market.

00:04:36.420 And so when we have that conversation, we really need to understand the many, many challenges that companies have doing business in China.

00:04:43.720 So on the one hand, you have companies like Microsoft and NVIDIA trying really hard to work in China and making ethical sacrifices to do so.

00:04:52.880 On the other hand, Beijing makes it difficult for them to do so, which in some sort of perverse way encourages them to try to give up more to succeed in the Chinese market.

00:05:04.260 Isaac, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on, your analysis, where can they go to do that?

00:05:12.940 Go to Twitter at Isaac Stonefish and LinkedIn as well, and also www.strategyrisks.com.

00:05:20.840 Thank you, sir, for joining us.

00:05:23.040 Thank you.

00:05:24.880 Of course.

00:05:25.520 Mike, you were just testifying, I want to give the hearing name, an inside job, how NGOs facilitated the Biden border crisis,

00:05:53.060 which I think is a uniquely pivotal hearing because I think a lot of the frustrations with how the deportation and immigration issue has been rolling out under the Trump administration

00:06:01.560 is that it's not going to the root cause.

00:06:04.260 And when I say that, I don't mean the left-wing globalist NGO idea that the root cause is economic inequality and inequity in a bunch of third-world countries,

00:06:13.420 but it's that we have a NGO sort of, you know, religion, like weird religious aspect of these groups that are essentially, you know,

00:06:21.480 helping these migrants, these illegal aliens, make it to the border and then pumping them into every corner of the country. 1.00

00:06:26.980 It's from, you know, cradle to grave.

00:06:28.540 It's a whole apparatus.

00:06:29.700 So you testified and provided a lot of actionable information, of course, got a lot of attacks.

00:06:34.720 If you can just sort of walk the audience through how that went and what you see the next steps as.

00:06:39.700 Yeah, so on the nonprofit side, it's all about the numbers.

00:06:44.740 That's why it's really the only thing to be concerned about or to realize is driving this.

00:06:50.380 The Biden administration couldn't get as many people in and around the country as they wanted to.

00:06:54.800 Their goal was as many as possible, but they only had so many government personnel that they could, you know, employ and deploy to do that.

00:07:01.540 So they just put a bunch of money into big pockets that they then gave to the nonprofits that then recruited these people, greeted them and shuttled them around the country.

00:07:11.340 That's how you sustain the logistics of a border invasion.

00:07:15.180 And, you know, 10 million plus people came across the border.

00:07:17.500 It was an absolute disaster.

00:07:18.640 But if you fast forward to now, the Trump administration is in force multiplying in that way.

00:07:24.100 Of course, they just got a huge glut of money through the reconciliation bill.

00:07:27.380 But the numbers of deportations are very low.

00:07:30.520 In fact, they're not even public.

00:07:32.320 There's a reason why they're not public, and it's because they are very low.

00:07:35.960 And so ultimately, it's all about numbers.

00:07:37.800 It's really simple.

00:07:38.740 People in, people out.

00:07:39.920 And they got a lot more people in using NGOs, and we're just not getting that many people out.

00:07:44.880 But I made some points in that hearing, particularly about how Democrats are calling for violence and violence is happening.

00:07:51.360 I was pleading with them to stand down on their threats for violence.

00:07:54.120 They tried kicking me out of the hearing room.

00:07:56.060 It turned into a big zoo.

00:07:57.480 It actually stretched for seven hours because they wanted to interrupt me from talking.

00:08:01.460 So they staged a bunch of procedural votes.

00:08:03.860 It was emotional for them.

00:08:05.240 They lost their cool.

00:08:06.480 But it was a lot of fun for me.

00:08:07.680 And just walk us through, I think this audience is really concerned about action and what these sort of next steps are.

00:08:16.020 As you alluded to, the deportation numbers aren't being posted. 0.85

00:08:20.180 This audience is not dumb.

00:08:21.520 We're not going to be hoodwinked just because we can't see it.

00:08:24.500 We know we're not hitting the bare minimum of 7,000 a day.

00:08:28.560 And it's not anti-Trump or anti-MAGA to criticize.

00:08:32.360 I'm not criticizing.

00:08:33.240 I'm just saying facts.

00:08:35.460 But where do you think now, like you said, they have the influx of cash?

00:08:40.440 You know, was it the money that was the limiting factor?

00:08:44.240 Or was it just the political wherewithal and, I think, intensity and, frankly, just ability to carry out these deportations from just firing on all cylinders and being serious in our conduct and not just, you know, putting out tweets and doing photo ops?

00:09:03.040 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:09:05.580 What we're seeing now is mass communications, not mass deportations.

00:09:09.620 It's unfortunate.

00:09:11.460 The standard, let's remind ourselves, that the president said on the campaign trail and, you know, through his presidency is the biggest deportation operation ever, which is a comparison to Eisenhower's Operation Wetback, where there were estimates 1 to 3 million of illegals in the country.

00:09:26.320 And they pointed to 1.1 million being kicked out.

00:09:29.240 So if you look at how many illegals are in this country, you pick your fake number that's out there. 0.90

00:09:33.400 I'll go with 20 million.

00:09:34.820 That's a lot of deportation.

00:09:36.240 I think right now we're on track for less than half a million this year, which is why they're pointing to that 7,000 number you mentioned is arrests.

00:09:43.360 That's not deportation.

00:09:44.780 The number we care about are people who are picked up from the interior of the country and returned home.

00:09:49.960 There's going to be all sorts of funny numbers.

00:09:51.380 We saw, one, they're trying to point to economic data about labor force participation rate to then extrapolate some self-deportation number. 0.82

00:09:59.340 That's all just junk science.

00:10:01.060 The real number is actually the easiest one to obtain. 0.63

00:10:03.580 It's the hard deportation number, the removal number, because there's a record for that.

00:10:08.240 You put someone on a plane or a bus and you send them back to where they came from. 1.00

00:10:11.800 And so that data exists.

00:10:13.360 It's not public because the number is low.

00:10:15.580 The biggest impediment right now is one of policy and politics.

00:10:18.620 It's that the leadership in this administration has kind of vacillated on the scope of the mass deportation mission.

00:10:25.680 Tom Homan's been strong the whole time, but you have political leadership and Secretary Nome at DHS who have really leaned into the criminal illegal alien aspect.

00:10:34.280 The problem is, while that's like a communications-friendly message, I suppose, it's a safe space to say we're only deporting the worst of the worst.

00:10:41.180 There's only about half a million criminal illegal aliens, by their definition, in the United States.

00:10:46.260 That gets you nowhere near mass deportation.

00:10:48.620 Also, it is a lot harder to conduct operations on criminals than it is to do large-scale worksite enforcement.

00:10:56.640 It's obvious to say, but if you're going after an MS-13 gangbanger in the hood, you're bringing in a bunch of officers, you're doing tactical planning, it's a dangerous situation, and so you get less.

00:11:07.560 It prioritizes the quality of, I guess, the communications aspect of it, but it deprioritizes the numbers.

00:11:15.360 And like I said, it's all about the numbers.

00:11:17.520 If you look at how Eisenhower did it, they encircled large agricultural areas, and they, in their own words, in their own reports and all something on this soon, went in and mopped it up.

00:11:26.100 They grabbed people.

00:11:27.120 They brought in military expertise to help them do it.

00:11:30.520 And so they need, in this Trump administration, to get over these political and policy hurdles.

00:11:35.160 You keep having these trial balloons of amnesty, and then we're changing amnesty, like we're a liberal trying to, you know, transgender all the kids or something. 0.63

00:11:43.420 They can't decide what the word means.

00:11:44.900 It needs to be ultimately clear that if you're illegal, no matter what, you are going home, and it's more likely than not that you will be deported, and the resources that come with reconciliation need to be used extraordinarily quickly.

00:11:57.140 And very creatively, we've proposed a lot of creative ideas for them, but it's time to start cracking down.

00:12:02.000 This is a mandate item.

00:12:04.120 I think it'll determine the midterms and whether the MAGA base shows up, you know, in addition to what I've said on the transparency and accountability issues.

00:12:10.980 If you can't get the numbers up on mass deportations or the results out on accountability, I'm afraid people are going to stay home because that's what excited people the most.

00:12:20.600 Yeah, I mean, what they did on the border, the actual securing of it, I think is historic, but we're obviously very analytical here in the war room.

00:12:28.700 And the addition of a lot of these adjectives in front of mass deportations, it's just watering it down.

00:12:35.720 It's whitewashing it.

00:12:36.880 I voted for mass deportations, and I think that you're right to sort of frame it through the lens of what sounds good from a comms shop.

00:12:44.180 Well, I'm sorry.

00:12:45.280 The comms angle that I care about is not what a bunch of, you know, neocon or NGOs supporting, you know, volunteer on the southern border to help invade this country, what those people think.

00:12:55.080 And I think in the same way, there's actually a beauty to the messaging that you're not just getting criminals out.

00:13:00.780 Because like I was saying before, my aversion to mass immigration to the tune of tens of millions of people, frankly, legal and illegal, is not merely because you're importing backwards cultures that probably have a statistically higher likelihood of criminality and poverty and stealing your jobs and suppressing your wages. 1.00

00:13:18.560 It's a cultural thing.

00:13:20.960 It's the idea that the very fabric of this country, the rug of this country, is being pulled out from underneath us by a set of policies that were instituted by people that we never voted for.

00:13:31.920 And that's why I think there's such an anger, because you're essentially saying that my concerns about wanting to preserve American culture and American heritage, well, I guess you can only do it if the guy has an MS-13 gangbaker.

00:13:43.320 That's a really high threshold.

00:13:46.020 And frankly, I'm going to hold you through the break, because I want to get into the sort of the auto pen angle of all this, too.

00:13:54.760 But I also think it's important to note that you're going to have this crisis just manifest again, unless you go after the people who orchestrated it.

00:14:03.260 And I think you do have done a wonderful job going after the NGOs, but you have all of the people, too.

00:14:08.280 I know the name Mayorkas.

00:14:10.200 I know the weird Biden advisor that's busy writing off ads for The Washington Post about how they would secure the border.

00:14:16.240 Thanks for your advice.

00:14:17.320 Go shove it in I don't even know what weird, deep, dark corner you are working in in the Biden regime.

00:14:23.420 But these people need to be held accountable, too.

00:14:26.260 It's the same with COVID.

00:14:27.360 Remember, The Atlantic was pushing pandemic amnesty?

00:14:30.680 No, I want mass deportations and criminal charges for the people who started this invasion.

00:14:36.340 Not amnesty in any sense of the word.

00:14:40.840 And shame on you, Maria Salazar and all the what dozen or so Republicans that joined co-sponsoring that legislation. 1.00

00:14:47.560 Screw you guys. 0.98

00:14:48.840 I have a country. 0.99

00:14:49.760 It's called the United States of America.

00:14:51.120 And I'd like to preserve what it means to be an American.

00:14:53.540 And I don't want to be neighbors with an MS-13 gang member.

00:14:56.560 We'll be right back.

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00:16:50.780 There seems like every day a new announcement coming from President Trump, whether it's out of the trade corners of stuff.

00:16:57.640 Of course, Peter Navarro leading it there.

00:16:59.880 I think, frankly, everything is economic when you look at the economic warfare that the Chinese Communist Party is waging against us. 0.93

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00:17:14.540 Glenn Story and the team are true patriots.

00:17:17.100 And why do you want to keep giving your money to corporations that probably don't just hate you but detest you?

00:17:23.400 And I can tell you, certainly, I do not support mass deportations.

00:17:28.120 Mike Howell, we still got you.

00:17:30.060 I'm curious.

00:17:30.820 I want to link this to another issue that you guys have been certainly ahead of the curve on, and that is all things auto pen.

00:17:37.680 Seems like there's some renewed interest in that.

00:17:39.380 Can you sort of give us an update where we stand on that front, your investigations, your work, what you guys have been doing?

00:17:44.320 So, you know, this all started in March when we released our first findings about the prolific use of an auto pen device to cover up for Biden's incapacity.

00:17:54.520 And since then, it's taken on many different layers.

00:17:57.640 It has gone to the House, the Senate, and the executive branch.

00:18:01.980 I guess the most recent updates are two very important ones.

00:18:05.440 Comer over in the House began a series of interviews with Biden officials.

00:18:09.160 The first one, the woman who is in charge of the paper for the entire White House, Neera Tanden, the staff secretary, that's the person you see, Will Schar from the Trump administration, handing Trump everything to sign.

00:18:21.460 It's usually a very credentialed attorney or somebody who can make sure processes are followed, the paperwork is tight, there's no litigation risk, they're always with the president.

00:18:30.560 Well, guess what Neera Tanden said?

00:18:31.740 She only saw Biden like once a month at best, and she never even had his assent or proof of life before, you know, going down the chain and executing the auto pen device.

00:18:43.180 So that was a massive red flag.

00:18:44.580 And since someone kind of broke with the Biden administration, guess what?

00:18:47.940 All the witnesses since then have claimed the fifth, you know, they're refusing to testify.

00:18:54.000 Where that's at now, and the posse could be greatly helpful on this as Congress, some of them are going to say, well, there's nothing we can do about it.

00:18:59.960 Guess what? There is something they can do about it.

00:19:02.140 They can grant these witnesses immunity, basically say, you're immunized for crimes related to this, get your butt back in here, testify, answer the questions, and if you don't, you're held in contempt.

00:19:11.980 So don't let Congress keep their foot off the gas.

00:19:14.820 The second thing, and this was Sunday night, the New York Times came out.

00:19:19.180 Keep in mind, the New York Times, two weeks after I released our findings in March, said it was a conspiracy theory.

00:19:23.960 Well, they issued another report on Sunday confirming our entire, you know, theory of our case and said that Biden actually was setting broad categories for pardons, and then his staff would go in and pick and choose who got him.

00:19:38.600 So it's absolutely confirmed Biden was not functionally aware of who was actually getting the pardons, which means they're obviously illegal.

00:19:45.800 President Trump's already said so much, so it's time to fix those, charge those people, put the death row inmates back on death row, all of the above.

00:19:54.600 One other positive sign is the Trump administration announced an investigation into it.

00:20:00.260 It's kind of duplicative, to be honest, because about a month ago, Trump issued an executive order saying, DOJ, go ahead and do this.

00:20:07.220 Well, the news now is the White House Council is undertaking a review.

00:20:11.780 It's important for a really detailed reason that has escaped attention.

00:20:16.080 There are two ways they could have gone about this.

00:20:17.640 They could have just focused on Biden's incapacitated.

00:20:20.980 He couldn't have done any of this.

00:20:22.040 Or they could have focused on that and whether Biden actually authorized it, like looking at each individual action and chasing it, tracing it back to Biden approval.

00:20:32.540 That's a big process.

00:20:34.220 It's a huge process.

00:20:35.720 And so the Trump administration, that's the lane they're going down.

00:20:38.820 We had wanted them to do that.

00:20:40.260 A lot of lawyers were pushing back on us, but they announced a review of one million plus pages.

00:20:44.900 And so that's an authorization investigation, which means they got a lot of work ahead.

00:20:50.260 We're going to help them as much as we can.

00:20:52.260 But I remind all the viewers here, like the oversight project took this 95 yards down the football field.

00:20:57.940 We've proved every element of this case over and over again in flamboyant fashion, despite the fact that, you know, the New York Times won't give us credit or, you know, anybody else.

00:21:05.620 That's fine.

00:21:07.200 But you need people with government power to actually, you know, charge people to issue subpoenas.

00:21:11.960 And so that's the zone we're in.

00:21:13.620 We don't need more just information for the sake of it.

00:21:16.320 We need consequences.

00:21:17.640 And that's what we're calling on the government to do.

00:21:21.200 Yeah, I mean, here's my issue.

00:21:22.580 It seems like the rhetoric that they're putting out, for the most part, is in line with War Room, is in line with the MAGA base.

00:21:28.800 But the actions that they're actually doing to sort of match that rhetoric is sort of still stuck in, you know, performative, frankly, like neocon rhino territory,

00:21:37.180 where it's Trey Gowdy's definition of accountability, as evidenced through his botched Benghazi hearing.

00:21:43.620 Or, I don't know, James Comer's, you know, book report that he released instead of putting Hunter Biden in prison or Jim Jordan's weaponization committee,

00:21:51.440 which still we need to see exactly what that did.

00:21:55.200 But I think there's also an interesting synergy between the Autopen investigation, frankly, the Epstein files, right?

00:22:01.320 I'm not obsessed with the Autopen because I'm so maniacally or myopically focused on Joe Biden or what is left of him. 0.78

00:22:08.540 It's because it's the question of who runs our country.

00:22:11.420 And when you look at the evil things that these people have done or, frankly, their inability, their aversion to putting America first, right,

00:22:18.380 the fact that that is a dirty word in Washington, D.C., I think is something that is very easily glanced over.

00:22:24.640 But maybe you can't put America first.

00:22:26.300 Maybe you want to invade this country because, I don't know, you're being blackmailed or you're essentially working on behalf of a foreign government,

00:22:32.680 frankly, even a domestic intelligence service.

00:22:35.160 And the fact that this Wall Street Journal piece, which, yes, it's bogus, 0.98

00:22:37.940 but it does prove that even something as marginal as writing a stupid birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein, you know, two decades ago, 0.93

00:22:44.580 if that's such blackmail or leverage potential there that, you know, you're going to sue Rupert Murdoch in news court, 0.92

00:22:50.480 well, it proves that connections and ties to Epstein were blackmailable.

00:22:55.400 Ergo, he did have influence over people who ended up in government, and it's probably a lot broader than that.

00:23:01.300 So I think that there's really an interesting synergy there.

00:23:04.440 Speaking of other synergies, of course, the legacy media is going to run cover for this cohort,

00:23:11.000 this, can I use the word cabal, if so, I'll use it, of people who run this country.

00:23:16.160 But the legacy media, NPR, your tax dollars are going to subsidize a lot of the information warfare in front of it.

00:23:21.960 I know you guys have also been sort of the tip of the spear fighting against NPR and on the receiving end of a lot of their attacks,

00:23:28.640 I know, to bring it back to immigration, the exposés that you did during the campaign trail about all those illegals voting.

00:23:35.160 I think you worked with Anthony from Muckraker on it.

00:23:38.760 Muckraker, I think I had you guys on the show talking about it.

00:23:41.360 You know, they dispatched a bunch of journalists to come after you guys.

00:23:44.140 Just your sort of thoughts on where we stand on the NPR front, why that's a victory.

00:23:50.320 Yeah, NPR should have been defunded a long, long time ago.

00:23:53.820 It's an absolute joke.

00:23:55.040 And Anthony and his team at Muckraker did some awesome work that we're happy to partner with them on.

00:24:00.360 And this story here is probably one of the hardest I've laughed in in recent years.

00:24:04.440 But NPR wanted to do a hit piece on us, which is just funny because you're thinking the whole time,

00:24:08.740 they're paying for a hit piece, you know, I'm paying for my own hit piece.

00:24:11.600 And so, okay, whatever. We're like, let's have some fun with this.

00:24:14.460 We took the interview with them full well knowing that they were just going to be outrageous.

00:24:18.380 But the interview was about an expose into voter fraud and illegal aliens being registered to vote

00:24:24.740 and admitting to being registered to vote on camera.

00:24:26.900 And NPR were on the run cover for those illegals who's admitting on camera multiple times to being registered to vote.

00:24:32.100 And so of all people in the world, they said this woman named Judy, like, Hoffblock or something to that effect.

00:24:39.100 And we were sitting down and, you know, we're talking to her and, of course, we're recording the thing.

00:24:42.820 And it turns out she had worked for ACORN, the infamous voter fraud organization.

00:24:48.260 And so NPR literally sent somebody involved in a voter fraud organization to interview us about a story about real voter fraud issues.

00:24:56.620 And we blasted them. They kind of went away for a bit.

00:24:59.140 But that little nugget tells you exactly what NPR is.

00:25:02.780 It's a bunch of just liberals with really soothing music on in the background, you know,

00:25:07.640 just with high class microphones saying outrageous things.

00:25:12.040 So I'm glad that they're getting shut down a little bit.

00:25:16.280 Mike, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on, 0.83

00:25:21.480 I think you represent what real accountability means, not stupid letters or press conferences meant to distract and gaslight. 0.94

00:25:30.020 Where can people go to do that? 0.90

00:25:32.880 So Oversight Project can be found at itsyourgov on X, and that's because it's your government.

00:25:38.420 People forget that.

00:25:39.280 I'm at mhowtweets, and our website right there is itsyourgov.org.

00:25:44.040 If you're up there, hit that resource button.

00:25:45.900 We've got something called a Doc Depot where we're really trying to up the game in terms of dumping government files in there.

00:25:51.460 I think you can have a lot of fun with the search functionality.

00:25:54.880 It's going to get bigger and badder.

00:25:56.220 No one has more docs than us, and we're linking them together in ways that citizen journalists can really get a leg up on the censors.

00:26:03.080 Citizen journalism, I think, has always been the way out, or at least a considerable part of the way out of this mess.

00:26:10.680 Mike Howell, thank you so much for joining us.

00:26:12.120 We will have you back on soon.

00:26:14.040 Good to see you.

00:26:14.800 Thank you.

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00:26:43.880 Like I said, we certainly need you guys in the fight.

00:26:47.620 We're going to, I think, have Mike Benz join us after the break, but until then, I'm sure you guys recall there was that bombshell notice, N-O-T-U-S story,

00:26:57.260 talking about how these former state and USAID employees were essentially verbalizing, leaking their plans to sabotage the Trump administration from within.

00:27:07.800 Now, I think there was a phrase for this that President Trump was attacked for using, and that's called the enemy within.

00:27:13.600 But the gist of their case, their operations, were going to be to use the tactics that they have used in third world countries to foment, you know, coups and cultural, or color revolutions, rather, cultural revolutions, too.

00:27:24.300 Freudians live there. 0.71

00:27:25.220 But here, domestically, on U.S. soil, and the word that they were using was non-cooperation.

00:27:32.140 So I want you guys, the posse, to really download, chew on that for a second, but non-cooperation is the new strategy.

00:27:39.560 And to that point, Indivisible, you may remember the group organizing all the really violent anti-Tesla protests.

00:27:46.240 They take a bunch of Soros money.

00:27:47.660 They were caught paying protesters.

00:27:49.040 Well, they just put out a call to train a million, one million, of their supporters, activists, paid protesters, take your pick, in the tactics of non-cooperation to essentially kneecap the Trump administration.

00:28:04.660 So an interesting synergy there, you know, we pay attention, we engage in pattern recognition, we focus on word use, but non-cooperation, that's going to be the radical left's new approach to coming after President Trump.

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00:30:13.080 There's a lot of, shall we say, turbulence when it comes to Fed chair Jerome Power.

00:30:17.640 We're supposed to have Wade Miller on.

00:30:18.900 I think we'll have him on maybe tonight or tomorrow talking about how there is legitimate grounds for President Trump to be able to remove him.

00:30:27.900 I won't get ahead of him.

00:30:29.020 I'll let him tease that out.

00:30:31.220 But before we go, we're working on tracking down Mike Benz.

00:30:34.040 We've got some other guests.

00:30:35.140 But I just want to really double down on what I was talking about before the break.

00:30:39.460 Because this is something, you know, we pride ourselves on being ahead of the curve and having signal, not noise.

00:30:45.680 And this is one of these issues.

00:30:47.380 You know, I embed myself behind enemy lines.

00:30:50.380 I go to all their virtual trainings and their meetings and that kind of stuff.

00:30:54.020 And I do it so I can bring you information so we can understand the enemy.

00:30:59.000 I think we've seen the quotes from the past few weeks.

00:31:01.560 Democrats are getting increasingly hostile, belligerent, bellicose, violent.

00:31:05.480 Take your pick of what adjective you want to use.

00:31:07.660 They're probably all too euphemistic.

00:31:09.460 In their own words, they want blood.

00:31:11.680 But this new initiative that they're rolling out, like I said, by Indivisible.

00:31:15.420 So that's the Soros-funded, shady, swampy, kind of left-wing organization that really provides the shock troops for a lot of these mainstream Democratic issues.

00:31:27.320 It's called One Million Rising.

00:31:30.080 I don't know about you.

00:31:30.800 There's something kind of Maoist about that term.

00:31:35.160 But they're calling it Strategic Non-Cooperation to Fight Authoritarianism.

00:31:40.860 It's, quote, and we have the pictures if you want to put it up on screen, a national effort to train one million people in the strategic logic and practice of non-cooperation, as well as the basics of community organizing and campaign design.

00:31:55.240 Quote, let's build a force bigger than fear.

00:31:59.020 And why this is so, I think, important is because it goes back to that story about these ex-USAID, ex-State Department employees who are holding these secret kind of off-the-books workshops.

00:32:10.780 They're calling it Democracy Aid, that's the unofficial official name, of the group, where they're plotting these tactics of non-cooperation with one of the spoken goals that they've discussed being sort of a nationwide strike.

00:32:25.260 I'm not exactly sure if that's, you know, public sector, private sector, what exactly that would look like.

00:32:29.820 But the quote from that reporting in terms of what they were planning was, quote, they're building a network of government workers willing to engage in even minor acts of rebellion in the office.

00:32:39.180 And they're planting the seeds of what they hope could become a nationwide general strike.

00:32:43.100 And one of the things that they were doing to help incentivize these employees to sabotage President Trump, whether that's, you know, blowing the whistle, leaking documents, talking to the press, which, frankly, I think with what you see going on to the Wall Street Journal, I think there's an interesting synergy there.

00:32:58.440 But they were actually circulating, again, legacy media's words, not mine, no conspiracies, no coincidences, but they were circulating old CIA materials.

00:33:08.560 One of the pamphlets was titled Simple Sabotage, and it was a bunch of the tactics that they would use to sort of develop, whether it was human sources or, you know, term people develop sources to, I guess, allegedly boost the interests of the United States.

00:33:24.320 But in this case, to sabotage President Trump.

00:33:27.400 And this is an extremely well-funded organization.

00:33:29.800 They're holding weekly virtual calls.

00:33:32.240 They're getting ready to expand and go, frankly, kinetic by hosting in-person protests, right?

00:33:38.040 This is the same group, no kings, that put on those whole protests that are involved in this.

00:33:45.460 So this is the tip of the spear when it comes to left-wing activism.

00:33:50.620 And like I said, non-cooperation.

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00:36:48.220 Mike Benz, I think we got you.

00:36:50.760 You have the world's most bizarre sleeping schedules.

00:36:53.800 You wake up usually after the morning show.

00:36:56.340 I'm always texting you trying to get you on, and you're like, it's 3 p.m.

00:36:59.980 I just woke up.

00:37:01.160 But that's enough for jokes.

00:37:02.880 I know the audience wants to hear your thoughts, so I'm just going to let you take it away.

00:37:06.500 Let's start last night, the Wall Street Journal drop, dump.

00:37:11.060 That's probably too euphemistic.

00:37:12.380 Eric, take it away on the timing of this, the story, and then let's get into the movement on some of the documents you've requested.

00:37:20.320 Well, it's kind of hysterical what happened last night.

00:37:24.640 The Wall Street Journal published one of the most bizarre screeds that you're going to find reprinted in mainstream journalism.

00:37:34.820 I think one of the lines that stood out, and obviously this was a purported letter from Trump to Jeffrey Epstein on his 50th birthday, filled with riddles and cartoon drawings.

00:37:49.000 And, you know, evidently this had been sat on, you know, we're to be told that this was in a Justice Department exhibit just newly unearthed.

00:37:59.980 And critics are obviously trying to use this to say, aha, this is the reason that we don't have the Epstein files, because Trump has this happy birthday letter.

00:38:09.400 And things may not be as they seem, because who knows how many more birthday letters Trump wrote to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:38:15.780 Now, look, the fact is, is we know that Trump was on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, you know, in the 1990s.

00:38:23.660 I just had a birthday party, and the binder was there, and, you know, Trump's name is very clearly in the binder in the 1990s.

00:38:32.640 This was, we've sort of been, we've been here, done that.

00:38:36.380 I, you know, Trump is obviously arguing about the authenticity of the letter.

00:38:39.860 But even if, you know, I guess what I'm getting at is, is Epstein was not arrested until 2006.

00:38:48.160 In the 1990s, I don't think people widely knew what he was doing.

00:38:53.100 Trump was famous for having kicked Epstein out of his private clubs in Florida.

00:38:59.300 So, you couldn't really do business in the 90s in high finance or real estate without bumping into Epstein.

00:39:09.300 So, to me, the mere presence of a letter, even if it were true, doesn't really do anything for me.

00:39:14.940 But the fact is, is there was, on the heels of this, or perhaps concurrent with it, Trump demanding or greenlighting Pam Bondi to unseal grand jury evidence to the extent that the court would allow it in order to satiate the base, which is a good start.

00:39:36.240 My concern is the things that I'm particularly most interested in, i.e., Epstein's intelligence ties, are not going to be in a grand jury, are not going to be something that you're going to find unsealed in a grand jury case.

00:39:54.380 So, I think that's good, but it's not really responsive to the main issue, in my view.

00:40:01.700 And so, Pam Bondi has got to get, she's got to get the Justice Department OPR transcript of Alex Acosta, and she's got to tell us the results of the CIA name trace on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:40:16.460 And walk us through some of these other documents that you've been calling for, if you've seen any movement, or frankly, just even any response on those.

00:40:28.000 Well, Charlie Kirk has been echoing this call as well.

00:40:33.480 I've seen it begin to pick up traction.

00:40:37.180 I've not seen anything or heard from any sources inside the Justice Department about whether or not it's registered yet.

00:40:45.000 But, you know, I've not yet begun to fight.

00:40:48.160 My goal is to basically make it that they can't have a press conference without being asked this question openly.

00:40:53.160 And, in addition, this is such an easy ask.

00:40:59.040 I mean, you're, so, the Justice Department, OPR, the Office of Professional Responsibility, reports directly to the Justice Department.

00:41:09.060 This is not like on the CIA side where you need to trawl through, you know, hundreds of or thousands of Byzantine documents or layers of bureaucratic authorization.

00:41:22.220 What we're looking for is the full transcript where Alex Acosta was asked five years ago whether or not, asked about the extent of Epstein's intelligence ties.

00:41:36.200 And all we have is this one little footnote buried in, on page footnote 244 of a 348-page report.

00:41:44.160 I want to, it's a one-line summary description of it, which I thought was highly, highly misleading.

00:41:51.620 And for the public to be able to know how that, how those queries around Epstein's intelligence ties were shaped by Bill Barr in his emails as well.

00:42:03.880 And, in the CIA Office of General Counsel, what I'm getting at here is, is I have, I've, I've made about a dozen videos at this point about two very easy things that can be done in order to, to satiate the base here.

00:42:19.880 Acosta's transcript, as well as the, the, the internal chatter around that.

00:42:25.740 And, and, and the results of the CIA name trace, if we're told that, that Epstein belonged to intelligence by the Daily Beast, is it true?

00:42:38.060 Mike, if you can hang with us through the break, I know the audience really respects your, your viewpoints on this. 0.97

00:42:44.040 And I do think there is sort of this concerted effort to reframe the Epstein stuff to make it sort of, sort of, you know, tabloid-esque, limited hangout, focus on the, you know, stupid, weird birthday card.

00:42:55.740 Instead of what I, I think the thing itself is, right, which is the domestic, frankly, foreign intelligence leaks.

00:43:03.020 Lakes, I know you were tweeting last night, if anyone had done a CIA name trace on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:43:07.940 Just a lot of rudimentary stuff where, you know, I think we, we've become so accustomed to being called conspiracy theorists that we sort of just, you know, well, rolls off our back.

00:43:17.600 But, like, the stuff that we're asking for is not absurd.

00:43:21.880 Frankly, the stuff that we're asking for was just cited in that Wall Street Journal article.

00:43:25.480 I think the best way to clear it up would be just to, I don't know, release the frickin' book that these alleged cards were in.

00:43:31.160 And, frankly, I would like to know who actually wrote him birthday cards and who actually was partying and hanging around him, Democrat, Republican, or otherwise.

00:43:40.080 I don't discriminate.

00:43:41.180 We'll be right back.

00:43:41.880 More Mike Benz after this short break.

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00:45:08.120 Welcome back to The War Room.

00:45:10.500 We're still joined by Mike Benz.

00:45:12.980 Mike, you've got the last few minutes of this show.

00:45:15.780 Just sort of help the audience understand where you think we go from here.

00:45:20.900 You know, what the next few days look like.

00:45:24.780 I think where we go from here is going to totally depend on the admin's response.

00:45:28.980 This has been one of the more bizarre episodes in the history of our running love affair with Trump, I think, from the base, in the sense that this is not an issue that really affects our day-to-day life, like the economy or like a foreign war or even something like, you know, the trade war or even something like a government agency like USAID.

00:45:56.040 This is kind of a litmus test issue about, you know, responsiveness to the base in terms of cleaning up past episodes of corruption to send a message that such a thing cannot be done again.

00:46:11.180 And, you know, in that spirit, I think that Trump has hoped that this would go away because it's not as big an issue in terms of the day-to-day impact on people's lives as other things.

00:46:24.340 And so there's been a constant flip-flopping between saying, yes, we'll give transparency, you're crazy if you want transparency.

00:46:35.360 You know, as I posted yesterday, Trump in 2015 saying Bill Clinton is going to have a problem because of a little guy named Jeffrey Epstein in a little island.

00:46:52.980 And then 2025, the Democrats and Bill Clinton made up the Jeffrey Epstein thing that he campaigned on as saying was evidence of corruption.

00:47:03.860 But so I think there's been a hope that the MAGA base would kind of just let it go.

00:47:10.120 And ironically, this was the same hope, I think, that Democrats had that MAGA would just kind of let go of issues and instead found to, I think, Democrat and mainstream media dismay that, like, the MAGA base is super hardcore.

00:47:26.240 When it bites its teeth into something, it's like a pit bull.

00:47:29.620 It doesn't really let go of it.

00:47:30.960 And, you know, Trump made this a MAGA thing to talk about.

00:47:35.520 You can't really un-MAGA it.

00:47:37.660 You can't really un-ring the bell.

00:47:40.820 And I think they're going to continually find this to be the case until we see good faith attempts to get answers.

00:47:47.160 It doesn't have to be a full answer.

00:47:49.360 Tulsi Gabbard didn't give us a full answer on JFK, but we saw it was a good faith effort.

00:47:55.300 Just this week, The Washington Post had to publish on A1 front page the Joe and Evie stories about the CIA, you know, having assets, you know, fully in touch with Lee Harvey Oswald and surveying his home and mail beforehand.

00:48:12.640 I mean, this was all forced because of the good faith effort at ODNI.

00:48:15.800 And the least that can be done is to give us an answer on Epstein's intelligence ties, at least vis-a-vis what U.S. intelligence knew or information had collected on Epstein so that researchers can take it from there.

00:48:34.580 But we need an answer on that.

00:48:36.460 I don't think anyone's letting it go.

00:48:38.040 It's only going to get worse.

00:48:38.960 Yeah, I don't think our interest in the Epstein stuff was a function of President Trump talking about it, so I don't think his dismissal of it is going to throw people off the case.

00:48:50.040 We're interested in it because it exposes answers to questions that, frankly, I don't even think we know exactly what those questions are because it gets to the power structures, the people, the foreign countries that run or try to influence this country.

00:49:04.480 Thank you, sir, for joining us.

00:49:34.480 And Warren Posse, we're going to go to another Mike, equally a fighter.

00:49:41.060 That is Mike Lindell.

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Bannon's War Room - July 18, 2025

Episode 4642： No Compromise On Amnesty

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