Episode 4645： Withdrawing From The WHO
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In this episode, we discuss the new push for immigration reform from the right and the left, and why it's time to stand up to it. Plus, a new documentary from Steve Cortez on the immigration reform push from the left and right.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Saturday, 19 July, in the year of our Lord, 2025.
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Natalie Winters, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon.
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And we're going to start off with Steve Cortez.
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Steve, before we let you bounce, I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this renewed push.
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You cut it and it just keeps coming back in a different and frankly worse way.
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But the push for amnesty among the sort of establishment flanks of the GOP.
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The establishment zombie in Washington, D.C. refuses to die.
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Republican, supposedly Republican representative from Miami.
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Somebody who was pushing hard a so-called Dignity Act.
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And the American people spoke incredibly clearly on this issue last November.
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It was the signature foundational issue of Trump's 2024 campaign.
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In addition to that, by the way, and I want to say this because I think it's important as an Hispanic because Salazar is claiming to represent Hispanics in America.
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Donald Trump did better among Hispanics than any Republican has ever done, again, with immigration as his signature issue.
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I mean, even including places like California, won Hispanic men.
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So the people of any color, of any persuasion, of any ethnicity are clear that we want to defend our borders, that there's nothing xenophobic or bigoted at all about that.
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As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite, protecting all of our people, whatever their backgrounds, and prioritizing our people and our workers.
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That is the imperative of the Trump administration.
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Now, he's already done it in terms of securing the border.
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It's amazing how fast he's moved to secure our border.
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The deportation part is more complicated, of course, and is unfolding.
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But I think it's important for all of us to continue to back him on this, to continue to back Tom Homan, and to totally reject these GOP corporatists who want us to take us back to a Jeb Bush era.
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You certainly don't speak for the America First movement.
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Yeah, she should be primaried at the very least.
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Frankly, I'd probably advocate for her being censored.
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Steve Cortez, if people want to get the documentary, I know you've been pumping out a lot of good content lately.
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Where can people go to follow you and watch it?
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You can see that trailer now with the actual doc.
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CortezInvestigates.com is my website with all of my content.
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I'll also be streaming it on my social media, so I'll be putting it at that same time on Twitter.
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You'll find these regular folks to be really compelling, and it's worth it just to see the footage of the library, because if you haven't seen it, you will be shocked at how hideous this thing is.
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I remember that was my, I think, freshman year at UChicago.
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It was funny watching all the woke students twist themselves into weird mental and ideological contortions to somehow justify the, as they would call it, gentrification of the, you know, I guess, economically inequitable zones of the south side of Chicago, or whatever the appropriate phrase would be, to justify, you know, essentially raising it to the ground, bulldozing it, to set up the presidential library for their, you know, man myth and legend, Barack Obama.
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I saw it in many classes where we had to do debates about whether or not the library should be allowed to be built.
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You can probably imagine what side I took and why I never spent much time there and instead decided to come and work at the war room for Steve.
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Probably one of the best decisions, if not the best decision I have ever made.
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And speaking of good decisions, we've got some breaking news coming out of jointly the State Department and HHS having to do with, I guess, another three-letter organization that you hate.
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That's the WHO and their international health regulations.
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They want to control you and use public health, obviously, as a pretext to do so.
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And then we're going to have Norbin Laden and Dr. Naomi Wolf on to discuss this really big change.
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This is your HHS Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
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I want to speak to you today about a controversial issue that could directly impact you and your family during a global health emergency.
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Last year, the World Health Organization's governing body made some far-reaching amendments to its international health regulations, otherwise known as the IHR regulations.
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These regulations establish the legal framework that gives countries rights and responsibilities for managing public health events with global impact.
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The deadline to reject these amendments is next week, and we are rejecting them.
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Nations who accept the new regulations are signing over their power in health emergencies to an unelected international organization that could order lockdowns, travel restrictions, or any other measures that sees fit.
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In fact, it doesn't even need to declare an emergency.
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Potential public health risks are enough for it to initiate action.
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If we're going to give the WHO that much power, we should at least invite a thorough public debate, especially since the agreement is an official treaty and it bypasses the U.S. Senate, which plays a key role in ensuring major international commitments receive proper democratic oversight.
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To make matters worse, the new regulations employ extremely broad language that gives the WHO unprecedented power.
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They require countries to establish systems of risk communications so that the WHO can implement unified public messaging globally.
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That opens the door to the kind of narrative management and propaganda and censorship that we saw during the COVID pandemic.
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We don't want to see that kind of system institutionalized even further.
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The agreement also contains provisions about global systems of health IDs, vaccine passports, and a centralized medical database.
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It lays the groundwork for global medical surveillance of every human being.
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Maybe if the WHO were an infallible authority, untainted by industry influence, we would consider accepting the new regulations.
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Unfortunately, the COVID pandemic demonstrated otherwise.
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During COVID, the WHO failed to enforce the international health regulations that were already in place for generations.
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China withheld critical information about the outbreak for at least a month and faced no real consequences or criticism from WHO.
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As the 2024 Congressional Oversight Report put it, the WHO was misinformed, denied access to China, and used as a cover for the Chinese Communist Party's reckless action.
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These and other atrocities make one thing clear.
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We must strengthen national and local autonomy to hold global organizations in check and to restore a real balance of power.
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Underneath all the bureaucratic language, what's at stake here is a vision for our future.
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Are we going to be subjects to a technocratic control system that uses health risks and pandemic preparedness as a Trojan horse to curtail basic democratic freedoms?
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Do we want a future where every person, every movement, every transaction, and every human body is under surveillance at all times?
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The new regulations aren't in themselves medical totalitarianism.
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In fact, they were perhaps written with good intentions, but they are definitely a step in the wrong direction.
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That's why we're rejecting the amendments, not only on behalf of our own citizens, but the whole world.
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After all, America could simply ignore the WHO.
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But few other countries are as powerful as the United States.
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Even though many of these amendments are phrased to be non-binding, as a practical matter, it's hard for many countries to resist them,
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especially when they are dependent on the WHO funding and its partnerships.
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That's why we're taking leadership to stop an agreement that's bad for the entire world.
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I want to be clear that in rejecting these amendments, President Trump and I are not rejecting international cooperation.
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We can cooperate with other nations without jeopardizing our civil liberties, without undermining our Constitution,
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and without ceding away America's treasured sovereignty.
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Thank you, and God bless you all, and God bless our country.
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All about restoring sovereignty and not just outsourcing jobs and manufacturing to a bunch of other countries,
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I'm sure aided and abetted by the globalist economic models that are put out by the UN, the IMF, the WF,
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I want to bring on the one and only Norban Laden to walk us through a lot of details in that video,
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So I'm curious if you can sort of translate it for us, what exactly this means and what we avoided.
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First of all, I'd just like to say a huge kudos to the Warren Posse, to Steve as well,
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and yourself for bringing this and keeping this at the forefront,
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and just everybody who pushed back, you know, James Rogoski and all the other researchers and activists
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who have kept this, you know, topic very much front and center.
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This announcement by Robert Kennedy Jr. is a big win.
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This is a great step, pardon me, in the right direction so everybody can be celebrating and having a sigh of relief there.
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That being said, I did want to mention once more, I spoke about it earlier in the week with Steve,
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but I wanted to mention this very particular executive order that was signed by President Trump on the 4th of February of this year,
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entitled Withdrawing the U.S. From and Ending Funding to Certain United Nations Organizations
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and Reviewing U.S. Support to All International Organizations.
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And in particular, in that EO, I would alert the Posse to Sections 3.B,
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which stipulates that there is a process, a 180-day process,
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that the State Department is going to essentially take this time frame
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to review all of these treaties, conventions, and memberships to these organizations.
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And the deadline for this review coincides with, well, early August, to be precise.
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And regarding the international health regulations,
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what was just rejected were the amendments to these regulations.
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The regulations themselves were adopted back in 1969,
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obviously in the dead of night without the American public being aware or informed
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And so what I'm hoping the Trump administration will take as a next step
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is withdrawing of these regulations in their entirety
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as an additional step to withdrawing from the WHO,
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which President Trump kick-started at the very start of his term back in January.
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Norah, if you can hang with us through the break,
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because I think the audience is probably next logical question.
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Obviously, it's not altruism that is motivating these IHRs
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or any of these public health, public safety measures.
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So I don't think just like our domestic deep state here, right,
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You don't want to be a part of the pandemic treaty.
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how they're sort of going to reframe and reorient their strategy.
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And Nor, picking up off of what I was sort of talking about before the break, from your
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sort of, I think, very well-informed, you know, meta perspective on all of this, what
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do you think their next push is to sort of circumvent the Trump administration's efforts
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to nullify their authorities in the form of whether it's the pandemic treaties, just traditional
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WHO membership, or today, the latest, I guess, casualty, the IHR stuff?
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I think it's very important that we remain vigilant on both fronts, on both the international
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globalist front when it comes to these organizations like the WHO and on a local national level.
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So what I mean by that is that we really need to be paying attention in each of our nations
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about the legislations that our own government is pushing.
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So, for example, in the case of Switzerland, they are pushing through legislation to be
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presented to the government by and to the public next year in 2026, a law on epidemics,
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which essentially will put in the, how would you say, measures and regulations that would
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completely block the population in the same way that we saw during COVID-19 and curtail our
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complete freedoms. And those laws actually on a national level tend to be even more stringent
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and restrictive than the WHO regulations, the IHR, or even the pandemic treaty. So that's also something
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that you need to be looking at in your own country, Natalie. But thankfully, it seems that
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the Trump administration understands very much what is at play when it comes to medical
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totalitarianism, as Secretary Kennedy referred to it in his video, and also just this global
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technocratic control system, again, taking Secretary Kennedy's words.
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Norbert Lawden, as always, I know the posse appreciates your analysis of this intentionally,
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I think, complex, because it's meant to deceive stuff. Before we have you back on, if people want
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to follow you stay up to date, not just with your posts and your writings, I know you're a bit
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elusive, but hey, quality over quantity. Where can people go to follow you and stay up to date with
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everything you're working on? Thank you, Natalie. Best place is norbanladen.subsec.com. And stay
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tuned because James Rogoski and I are going to be resuming our podcast on the WHO and this entire
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pandemic health emergency industrial complex that they are building out via the WHO and also all of
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our health departments in our different countries, obviously, at the behest of big pharma. And that's
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a key topic that is not going to go away. Pharma and medical emergencies are very much being used
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as one of the key Trojan horses to bring about, you know, the mass surveillance control system of the
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globalists. Indeed. Thank you, ma'am, for joining us. We'll have you back on. Thank you, Natalie. Great
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being with you. Likewise. Dr. Naomi Wolf joins us now. Now, Dr. Wolf, I want to hit the same topic because
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I'm sure you have a lot of thoughts, but I've also seen lately you have had a lot of thoughts on the
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whole Epstein saga. You had a great sub stack on it. I'd just be curious to get your thoughts.
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Frankly, it probably links to the WHO stuff in a weird roundabout way, but you're just kind of
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general assessment of where we stand in that fight for transparency. In the WHO fight, the announcement
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we just saw from Secretary Kennedy. Before we get into that, just to start with the Epstein stuff,
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I'm curious. Oh, sure. Well, to reprise what I shared with the posse when I was on with Steve Bannon,
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I did write an essay kind of trying to put the dilemma I think President Trump is in with releasing
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everything into a larger context that I understood from my past life being represented by an agent who I
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discovered in 2019 had a huge, important intellectual salon with some of the key scientists in the world
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and then drawing in at dinners some of the key technologists in the world that was funded by
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Jeffrey Epstein. And Eric Weinstein, who used to be managing director of Teal Capital and is a
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mathematician, a Harvard-trained mathematician, gave a really important interview in which he basically
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said that he believed that he believed that the bigger picture of the Epstein story or a parallel
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picture, right, is not just the very important story of retail clothing manufacturers and politicians
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abusing minors, right, as serious and important as that is. But there's also a story of a kind of
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engagement structure that was set up very deliberately at Harvard and elsewhere to lure and draw in and
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compromise both innocent and guilty scientists, some of the key, again, minds of our time, as well as
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both innocent and guilty technologists. And since I know he's right from my own knowledge of this
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network, I think it's important because some of those same people who are at those dinners,
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Edge Foundation dinners, funded by Jeffrey Epstein, are some of President Trump's key backers and
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supporters. So it's just in no way telling President Trump what I think he should do or, you know, or that I know
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who Jeffrey Epstein is in terms of who's behind him. I don't. But I do think it's important for people to
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understand this bigger picture that there are innocent as well as guilty people likely in these files and that, you know,
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I always want to trust the people that they have discernment, they can process that information and put it in
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context. But also there could be something much bigger going on than we even realize with the Epstein story, which is a, as
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Eric Weinstein put it, a direction of science, you know, of management and control and hurting of science, because the
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scientists who were tapped by Epstein's Epstein funded, this Epstein funded entity, and drawn together with
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technologists, created with technologists, the dystopia that we're fighting right now. They're, you know, what we
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reductively call transhumanism, it's consciousness manipulation, it's multiple dimensions, it's pre AI and AI, it's
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surveillance technologies, it's propaganda techniques, and human psychology, it's ritual, what makes us
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human, what makes us able to transcend humanity, it's genetics, for sure, and the intervening in the
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human genome. So all of this world that we're struggling with right now, was kind of drawn together
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by an Epstein funded entity, starting in the late 2010s, and extending right up until probably
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2018, 2019 until, kind of until his death. So I just, I shared that. And now moving out from a bigger
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picture yet, I think this announcement from Secretary Kennedy comes at exactly the right time. And it's
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exactly the right kind of announcement, because the press has been so understandably critical in the
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grassroots and, you know, Posse and MAGA and MAHA, you know, reaction to the blundered messaging from the
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White House about the Epstein files has been so understandably, you know, hostile, that this kind of
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victory comes at a critical time, it's going to remind people, reminds me why I voted for the
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combination of MAHA and MAGA. It's, it's exactly what we need to kind of remember that there are many
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fights, and that this is a huge fight that we just have delivered into our laps a major victory.
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And just walk us through sort of similar to what I was asking more, how you think they sort of
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recalibrate their strategy to achieve, whether it's the digital surveillance state, the sort of public
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health emergency nanny state, since the Trump administration, I think, you know, today's
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announcement is an example, has withdrawn in such a large capacity from a lot of these WHO, whether
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it's working groups, the organization itself, or just these weird, you know, nebulous treaties.
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When you say they, do you mean the White House, or do you mean our...
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Okay. Wow. Well, I think that Ms. Bin Laden did an amazing job analyzing the nature of this
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victory, this huge announcement. I would just add to what she said, and then I promise I'll answer
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your question, that it's, it's a victory on so many levels, domestically, right? She rightly put it in a
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global context, but it's a huge victory for us domestically because those were the issues that
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President Trump campaigned on and that Secretary Kennedy, RFK Jr. campaigned on, the surveillance
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state, the lockdowns, the mandates, the, you know, sovereignty itself, this theme of sovereignty. Do we
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get to decide what happens in the United States of America as a nation or as our bodies, right? Our own
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bodies, our own public health decisions, do we get to decide? And I wish that HHS had a better
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communications shop because those incredibly important deliverables that go right to reminding
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people why they had hope for this administration, this alliance, are kind of buried in a lot of
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bureaucratic language. But they're there. And I hope they take that speech and turn it into an ad and
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buy, you know, television time on networks and cut in some visuals, like reminding people, you know,
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in a very primal way what Secretary Kennedy is talking about. But those are the platform issues.
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It's freedom, right? It's freedom and self-determination. Do you want to be a slave,
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you know, to some faceless entity that you never voted for? Or do you want to be free? That's,
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if I were advising this administration, which I'm not, or HHS, which I'm not, I would say that's
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your message, slave or free, you know, lead with that. Don't bury the lead. So it's huge. The other
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thing that's exciting, and then I will speak about what the WHO will do next. The other reason it's
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exciting is that it's a joint release with this, the Secretary of State and the State Department. And
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that's as it should be. In fact, as I was listening, I was thinking, wow, I really hope
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the Secretary of State jumps in here or, you know, cuts his own video as well and releases that as
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well. Because people in Europe, I was just in Europe, are suffering. You know, people in Britain
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are suffering. People in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, they're suffering and they're looking to
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the United States for leadership on this theme of freedom.
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We've got to jump to break, but I want to hold you through to pick up not just where
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you left off, but also where you think directionally the WHO is going to go. We'll be right back
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Welcome back to the War Room. We're going to go to Mike Benz shortly, but Dr. Wolf, I want
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to let you pick up where I had to interrupt you. Just where you think the WHO's new strategy
00:30:11.080
in terms of achieving their, I'll be euphemistic, quest for global domination in terms of public
00:30:17.160
health emergencies, where exactly you think that strategy is going to take them throughout
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the tenure of the Trump administration? Thank you. So I think President Trump has really,
00:30:29.420
and HHS Secretary Kennedy, have struck a real blow. Remember that in April, President Trump withdrew
00:30:36.200
400 million in funding. So I think that the WHO could be kind of reeling after this, but they will
00:30:46.320
regroup and they will lock down tighter on the rest of the world. So what I would say would be a good
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strategy to kind of kill off the WHO nonviolently is to have this be part, as well as free speech
00:31:01.760
issues, part of an overt foreign policy strategy that's branded, and again, in the hands of the Secretary
00:31:07.840
of State and say, you know what, we're going to incentivize countries who give free speech to their
00:31:13.840
citizens and roll back restrictive legislation. We're going to privilege countries that don't set in place
00:31:21.240
the kind of lockdown framework that Ms. Bin Laden mentioned. I know they set up that framework in Britain
00:31:28.400
as well. And we're going to have a freedom agenda throughout the world in which other countries
00:31:34.240
that withdraw from the WHO and that overtly reject these totalitarian structures in medical freedom,
00:31:42.160
but also in free speech, we're going to prioritize trading with them. We're going to prioritize
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diplomatic relations with them. We're going to reward them in all kinds of ways. I really think that
00:31:52.420
that would win a lot of support around the world. People are just waiting for the U.S. to have that kind
00:31:57.300
of foreign policy, and it would really make sure that the WHO doesn't come back roaring from its
00:32:02.420
corner like a wounded animal. Dr. Wolf, as always, thank you so much for joining us. Before we have
00:32:09.560
you back on, in the meantime, where can people go to follow you and stay up to date with everything
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you're working on? Thanks so much. Please come to Substack. My Substack is Outspoken and over on Daily
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Clout. And of course, you can always order the Pfizer papers. And again, like Ms. Bin Laden said,
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thank you to you guys and the Posse, because this was such a marginal issue, the WHO issue,
00:32:31.640
until the Posse and Steve Bannon and you and these individuals that she mentioned and others
00:32:37.680
made it a priority that has now entered history. Thank you all.
00:32:42.740
The power of the Posse, it is certainly unmatched. And you're a part of it, too. You've done wonderful,
00:32:49.140
really, I think, leading work on this issue. So thank you, ma'am.
00:32:52.960
We'll have you back on soon. Someone else who has done a lot of
00:32:58.120
leading work, though, not to out you again, you were eating breakfast in the break. You seem to
00:33:03.560
get up late. Steve and I always enjoy giving you a hard time for that. That's none other
00:33:08.560
than Mike Benz. Now, Mike, it seems like you are in the crosshairs of MSNBC. So we'll help wake you up.
00:33:15.860
Let's let's roll the clip and get your reaction.
00:33:20.140
Yes, on that Wall Street Journal story, making this now a Trump versus the media thing. But on Steve
00:33:25.660
Bannon's show, there's a fellow by the name of Mike Benz. You might remember from a Brandy's
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Adrosny report on masking his alt-right online persona. And he said, Trump made this a MAGA thing
00:33:35.920
and you can't un-MAGA it. And I thought that actually might be one of the best summaries
00:33:41.520
I've heard so far of what the kind of core of the problem is here, which is that when you talk
00:33:46.460
to the Trump advisor, especially privately, and I would say this even extends to the conservative
00:33:49.640
news space. You ask him, OK, what's up with the focus on trans women in sports so much,
00:33:55.080
the Epstein stuff? And, you know, they'll say, look, like there's a gulf here between how much,
00:33:59.980
especially in the Trump White House from the campaign, how much the staffing class cares about
00:34:04.760
this kind of stuff versus the voters. And this is just such a top issue for them that I don't
00:34:10.040
think you can let time, you know, sweep it away. The difference between the staffing class and the
00:34:14.200
voters, is the staffing class not that interested in Epstein, even though they were the ones whipping
00:34:18.400
it all up for years and years? Cash to sell going on podcasts, Dan Bongino going on podcasts.
00:34:23.800
And someone like a Bongino could be a true believer. And that's worth looking back at,
00:34:27.280
like, was a key mistake here, stacking the top levels of federal law enforcement with Epstein truthers.
00:34:32.580
Yeah. But no, I mean, it really is a dynamic that I think has they've avoided running into this kind
00:34:37.960
of a problem with a variety of other issues going back to the campaign. But so much of the decision
00:34:41.980
making and how they choose to message things in the White House is based around the base.
00:34:45.680
Are they nervous about it? Absolutely. And that's what I was reporting this week,
00:34:48.500
that they will admit, at least on background and honestly, that this is very much a big deal.
00:34:52.800
There's not a clear cut solution to this. And the question is whether a resignation or a firing
00:34:57.560
will do it. The worst person, you know, just made a good point.
00:35:04.320
Jake LaHunt, I actually know him. He's a good guy. Your thoughts, I will just say,
00:35:11.920
I love this, like, sustained dialogue, trying to understand why the American people are, like,
00:35:17.380
so galvanized and intrigued by everything that happened with Epstein. It's like, I don't know,
00:35:21.280
it's almost because it was a, like, domestic and foreign intelligence operation involving
00:35:24.840
pedophilia and blackmail. Like, I think it sort of answers the question in its own right.
00:35:30.000
But your thoughts to this sort of sustained dialogue?
00:35:33.680
No, it's like we're being visited by aliens from outer space. And they're here doing,
00:35:39.340
like, a cultural anthropology mission, trying to understand our language. They're like,
00:35:43.480
the Magapedes, they seem to be concerned about child sex trafficking rings. We must tell the
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mothership. They're communicating in strange ways with each other.
00:35:54.840
It's like, this is not really difficult to understand. Like, this has been in the public
00:36:02.140
ether for about a decade. I mean, February 2015, Trump stands at CPAC and says to Sean Hannity,
00:36:13.120
2015, February 2015, that's a year and a half before the 2016 election, which itself was a decade ago.
00:36:22.160
And Trump says, Bill Clinton, nice guy. But I think he's got a little problem with a little
00:36:29.340
guy named Jeffrey Epstein and his little island. And, you know, that was MAGA. That was MAGA for the
00:36:38.060
2016 election. That was MAGA for the 2020 election. That was MAGA for the 2024 election.
00:36:47.360
Like, you trained us to go after this issue. We have been, like, grown in a lab. Chemicals have been
00:36:57.920
mixed together specifically to breed this particular type of person in the MAGA movement who would care
00:37:07.300
about Jeffrey Epstein's full excavation of all evidence around it. So, like, the idea that you
00:37:14.420
would just snap that shut. You know, it's one thing where he says, listen, I've been consistent about
00:37:20.900
Iran. I always said that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's always been MAGA, yada, yada. Okay,
00:37:29.200
you don't even have that here. Like, you've consistently said, as well as all of your Spocks,
00:37:35.860
that, you know, there would be, that exposures of this would cause problems for the wrong people.
00:37:45.220
Well, you know, I mean, there's like 20 people in the current cabinet in Trump White House that I
00:37:55.380
think, you know, could get schmutz on him over this. So, here we are.
00:38:04.480
Yeah, no, I think if the left-right has critical race theory where they look for how racism manifests
00:38:09.440
in every situation, I think our equivalent of that is probably, like, critical deep state theory,
00:38:14.240
right, where we find the deep state, the sort of power apparatus, these unelected bureaucrats
00:38:18.740
exerting their influence over a lot of the issues through sort of a variety of means, I would argue
00:38:25.000
that our theory is not just a theory. It's actually reified. It's real. But I want to link it to what I
00:38:31.220
also wanted to talk to you about, which is the obviously bombshell, you know, Russia hoax. I saw
00:38:35.980
treason was trending top on Twitter and political figures. You always love to see it. But your thoughts
00:38:41.760
on what Tulsi declassified? Because I think it just goes back to the sort of weird, you know,
00:38:47.860
mentality that you saw those MSNBC geniuses sitting there. Oh, these people are so crazy.
00:38:53.240
It's almost like they think there's a deep state. By the way, we're not going to cover the, you know,
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declassified memos that prove that there is. Your general assessment of everything going on there.
00:39:03.040
Yeah. I mean, are they still denying the deep state? Because I seem to remember like a hundred,
00:39:09.880
a hundred headline supercut of them saying, thank God for the deep state. Can the deep state please
00:39:14.680
save us already? Oh, no, don't fire them. They're deep state. They're good. So, I mean, look, the emails
00:39:21.060
that came out yesterday, I think, confirmed the biases of pretty much everybody. I mean,
00:39:27.580
we've been through the Russiagate thing for 10 years. Everybody knew, I think, from day one,
00:39:32.840
that it was BS. This is basically what Tulsi published yesterday is what we all suspected
00:39:40.620
was there. And, you know, I can't say anything surprised me. But, yeah, it's, you throw around
00:39:52.960
a word like treason. Treason is a crime. If you're going to use that word, you got to, I mean,
00:40:00.880
the problem is, is when they, when they, when federal officials use this language, it sort
00:40:05.800
of trains the audience and the base to think that there will be justice department follow
00:40:10.760
through with the crime that's alleged. So, you know, if you use a word like treason and
00:40:17.720
you don't follow up with a prosecution of some kind, then either it wasn't treason or there's
00:40:25.600
no justice. Yeah. I mean, I, I think the idea that the DOJ is going to follow through on this
00:40:34.260
is not something that is historically or empirically or even in real time accurate. And I think that
00:40:40.700
that's sort of the fundamental disconnect where it seems like on the rhetoric, it's all
00:40:44.600
guns blazing. And I think DNI is really representative more so of the, you know, stripe of accountability
00:40:50.260
that, that we voted for, but I think you're exactly right. The one, two punch, you're missing
00:40:54.760
the second part and arguably the more important part of that punch. I'm curious though, your
00:41:00.420
thoughts on the players involved in these meetings. There really seems to be a nexus between the
00:41:06.680
Biden regime at the highest levels. You got, you know, the Newlands, the Clappers, the Brennans,
00:41:12.020
Lisa Monaco, John Kerry, even lower level state department officials who are tied up at the
00:41:17.520
Penn Biden center, what you sort of make of that, you know, personnel synergy and overlap involved in
00:41:23.700
a lot of this. Well, it makes total sense. So much of the Obama foreign policy step aside was,
00:41:31.680
was Biden folks. I mean, if it was Biden was the chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee
00:41:38.780
for like 10 years, he had been on it for 40 years. He ran the, the Ukraine portfolio for Obama,
00:41:45.320
which became the most important foreign affairs region on planet earth after 2014 Crimea.
00:41:54.540
So it doesn't surprise me that, that there was basically carryover from one to the other,
00:41:58.600
but yeah, I mean, John Brennan is just such a nasty figure of, of history. It's, it boggles the mind
00:42:07.240
from him being the CIA station chief in Saudi Arabia and the rub to 9-11 to him hacking Congress
00:42:15.280
I mean, John Brennan, his firm hacked Congress to spy on Congress. And he became CIA chief
00:42:24.280
after that. I mean, this is like the people who met with Jeffrey Epstein after his first indictment,
00:42:31.160
like John Brennan, his firm hacked the Senate. And then after he admitted it and said,
00:42:43.160
whoopsie poopsie, I'm sorry about that. My bad. Then they're like, oh, it's all good dog. Why don't you run
00:42:50.280
the central intelligence agency? And then he goes on and he does, you know, Russiagate. And then he spends
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the next four years on Twitter, you know, basically calling for, for Trump to be a combination of,
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you know, uh, arrested, carjacked, pickpocketed and worse. I mean, John Brennan's Twitter account.
00:43:16.380
Do you remember this, Natalie? Like how many insane tweets this guy put out?
00:43:20.740
How can I forget? That's what's required reading for, for the war room posse. We, we read that every day.
00:43:26.880
Mike, if you could hang with us through the break, I think the audience wants to get your,
00:43:31.540
your thoughts on the path forward. And frankly, I think this Russiagate declassification proves
00:43:36.680
why we need not necessarily declass, but just transparency and a full release of all relevant
00:43:42.580
Epstein materials. We'll be right back. More Mike Benz after this short break.
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Welcome back to The War Room. We've still got Mike Benz with us. Mike, I want to sort of connect the
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dots here with what's going on with the domestic version of the deep state, everything with the
00:45:51.780
Russia declassified documents, all the Epstein stuff, but also what's going on in Brazil. I know
00:45:56.860
you've been at the forefront of a lot of the censorship fight. They're obviously heating up
00:46:00.900
because of the tariffs just yesterday. Bolsonaro, he had his house raided, his political headquarters
00:46:06.300
raided. He has to wear an ankle monitor. He can't speak to essentially foreigners or foreign
00:46:11.640
embassies. But I think interestingly, also banned from posting on social media. Talk about a buried
00:46:17.940
lead. If you want to give us sort of an update on everything going on there and how it even links
00:46:22.880
back to what we've seen go on here. Yeah, you nailed it. And in response, now Marias and the
00:46:31.200
whole Brazilian Supreme Court effectively is persona non grata in the United States. Secretary Rubio at
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the State Department just revoked the visas, not just for them, but for their family who are,
00:46:43.360
I believe, their members who are going to university here, working here. So basically,
00:46:48.420
there's now a growing kind of cold war between the U.S. and Brazilian rogue judiciary. Now those
00:46:59.700
judges are obviously the ones who are protecting Lula. There is kind of a not insignificant irony
00:47:06.240
here in the sense that it was the Biden regime that basically bribed the Brazilian government to go
00:47:12.300
after Bolsonaro and the Trump admin that is passing these sanctions on them for doing what the previous
00:47:19.920
U.S. government told them to do. But, you know, in the midst of that kind of comedy of errors,
00:47:26.080
there's obviously a very real human casualty in terms of the cost of this, which is the speech
00:47:34.020
freedoms of 200 million Brazilians and just the absolutely terrible tragedy they're putting Bolsonaro
00:47:41.380
through. And Mike, just last question before we let you go. Yesterday on the show, we highlighted
00:47:48.060
the new phrase non-cooperation, the idea that within a lot of these agencies, they're wanting
00:47:52.740
to subvert President Trump almost in a more direct way. At least they're speaking about it.
00:47:57.760
You got this sort of indivisible, no kings, NGO apparatus pledging to train a million people,
00:48:03.460
including federal government employees, in these tactics, which if you look at the etymology of it,
00:48:08.780
a lot of it comes from these sort of old CIA pamphlets. One of them, I think, was called
00:48:12.700
Simple Sabotage. I'm just curious, your assessment of that sort of new strategy and how you think we'll
00:48:22.940
They keep confirming our biases. Why do they keep doing this? So, I mean, they're obviously trained to
00:48:32.240
do this at State Department and USAID. This is what they exist for. Their job is to overthrow
00:48:38.960
democratically elected governments. And now they're saying, wah, wah, boo-hoo, if you don't pay us,
00:48:45.260
we're going to overthrow your government. It's like, okay, well, at this point, at least let them pay
00:48:50.920
themselves or let them, you know, let them look for outside funding. If they're going to do it,
00:48:58.140
they're going to do it. But we shouldn't have to pay them to do it. And the other part of it is,
00:49:03.440
what do you think would be done if Trump careers organized this thing inside of a Kamala Harris
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administration? Do you know how fast, like, some sort of criminal charges would be ginned up,
00:49:16.860
like, something nebulous, like conspiracy against rights or... The fact is, it's one thing if you
00:49:23.620
are, you know, non-cooperative. It's another thing if you try to do this civil disobedience,
00:49:30.800
you know, which is... Because what they try to do is they try to basically say, don't follow the law.
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But, like, don't follow the law in a way that doesn't kill people. But... Because, you know,
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they try to compare everything to, like, the 1960s civil rights, like, countertop protests where they say,
00:49:45.780
well, it was illegal, but it was a bad law, so we should break the law. And we should apply that
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same thing to everything that Trump does. And we should just not follow the law, because it's
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Trump's laws. And it's like, okay, well, if we did that under a Harris administration, we'd all be
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in jail for the rest of our lives. So I think that these sorts of things have to be monitored by law
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enforcement. If you're going to be doing... If you're a federal government employee and you are
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going to not follow laws, you're going to intentionally sabotage the government you're
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working for, I think... I mean, that's the death knell if you have a million people inside your
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government doing that. So I think law enforcement and the Justice Department should follow that.
00:50:30.420
Andy. I won't hold my breath on that one. Mike Benz, in the meantime, before we have you back on,
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we'll try to angle for the 5 p.m. show. Where can people go to follow you?
00:50:43.100
You can follow me on X at Mike Benz Cyber. Thanks, Natalie. I'm going to get some coffee now.
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Thank you, sir, for joining us. There you go. Just woke up for you, the Warren Posse.
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Thank you. They appreciated it, as do I. And speaking of the Warren Posse,
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I think probably one of your equally large supporters and, frankly, beneficiaries is none
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