Bannon's War Room - July 26, 2025


Episode 4661: On The Verge Of AI Bank; Empowering Government At The Expense Of The Private Sector


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

154.53714

Word Count

8,338

Sentence Count

542

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 trying to rewrite the history of Russia's meddling in the 2016 election
00:00:03.680 in accusing former President Barack Obama of treason.
00:00:08.100 The Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, alleged Obama and his deputies engaged
00:00:12.580 in a, quote, seditious conspiracy by manufacturing a false assessment
00:00:16.560 that Russia meddled in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump's campaign.
00:00:21.880 To be very clear, these allegations are demonstrably false
00:00:26.820 and so ridiculous that it led to a rare, rare rebuke from former President Obama's office,
00:00:33.560 calling the claim, quote, outrageous, bizarre, and, quote, a weak attempt at distraction.
00:00:39.460 And former CIA official tells NBC News Gabbard and the White House
00:00:43.640 are lying about intel on Russian interference in 2016.
00:00:48.120 Susan Miller, a retired CIA officer who helped lead the team
00:00:51.560 that produced the report about Russia's actions during the 2016 campaign,
00:00:55.360 told NBC News it was based on credible information
00:00:58.920 that showed Moscow sought to help Trump with the election,
00:01:02.400 but that there was no sign of a conspiracy between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.
00:01:07.140 The White House and the administration are promising, it seems,
00:01:12.500 to use the full weight and power of the government
00:01:16.520 to try and paint Barack Obama and many others as treasonous to this country.
00:01:22.560 And to be clear, unless it's changed, being guilty of treason is punishable by death in this country.
00:01:29.080 That's what happens if you're found guilty of treason.
00:01:32.200 This is a moment that is shocking.
00:01:34.880 We shouldn't be surprised, but I am still shocked.
00:01:37.240 Yeah, well, I think it's a real mark of desperation
00:01:40.360 that they have resurrected an eight-and-a-half-year-old intelligence community assessment
00:01:45.280 claiming that President Obama and national security officials
00:01:49.320 were involved in this conspiracy, a cabal,
00:01:52.340 that was trying to undermine President-elect Trump.
00:01:56.200 Nothing could be further from the truth.
00:01:57.760 There have been countless reviews of the assessment that's been done over the years
00:02:03.280 in terms of the John Durham investigation, the Bob Mueller investigation,
00:02:06.600 the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee review.
00:02:09.800 Every reporter who's covered it.
00:02:10.780 They basically validated and endorsed it.
00:02:12.860 And that Senate committee was, the acting chairman at the time was Marco Rubio.
00:02:17.220 Tom Cotton, the current chairman, was a member of that committee as well.
00:02:20.760 There was a full-throated endorsement of it
00:02:22.780 and basically complimenting the CIA and the intelligence community
00:02:25.780 for putting together that piece on such a very important issue,
00:02:29.500 which is Russian meddling in U.S. presidential elections.
00:02:32.400 I would like to think that all Americans are outraged over that.
00:02:35.580 I'd like to think that Donald Trump and the Republican Party
00:02:37.820 should be outraged over it as well.
00:02:39.500 But clearly, they are not.
00:02:41.060 And now they're using this, I think, as a very shiny distraction
00:02:43.440 in order to, you know, shift the attention away from some of his other problems.
00:02:48.100 On immigration, you better get your act together
00:02:50.900 or you're not going to have Europe anymore.
00:02:54.100 You've got to get your act together.
00:02:55.900 And we, you know, as you know, last month we had nobody entering our country.
00:02:59.980 Nobody. Shut it down.
00:03:01.520 And we took out a lot of bad people that got there with Biden.
00:03:04.940 Biden was a total stiff and what he allowed to happen.
00:03:08.920 But you're allowing it to happen to your countries.
00:03:11.440 And you've got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening to Europe,
00:03:16.520 many countries in Europe.
00:03:18.100 Some people, some leaders have not let it happen.
00:03:22.680 And they're not getting the proper credit.
00:03:26.160 They should.
00:03:26.740 I could name them to you right now, but I'm not going to embarrass the other ones.
00:03:31.420 But stop.
00:03:32.880 This immigration is killing Europe.
00:03:35.120 What do you now have that refutes those two rules?
00:03:39.920 I will encourage you in my role as the director of national intelligence.
00:03:44.040 My job, again, as I said when I came into this role,
00:03:47.000 was to make sure that we are telling the truth to the American people
00:03:51.420 and that we are ensuring that the intelligence community is not being politicized.
00:03:56.240 So I'm not asking you to take my word for it.
00:03:59.280 I'm asking you and the media to conduct honest journalism
00:04:02.320 and the American people to see for yourself in the documents that we've released now.
00:04:07.300 And is your belief that those two previous investigations missed that or covered it up?
00:04:12.360 I'm telling you to look at the evidence.
00:04:14.780 Look at the evidence and you will know the truth.
00:04:17.800 Director Brennan, we've been looking at this evidence, as you said, for eight years.
00:04:22.380 We know what the truth is.
00:04:24.240 What's she doing there?
00:04:26.060 I think she's projecting.
00:04:28.140 Obviously, she's engaged in the politicization of intelligence to support Donald Trump.
00:04:33.440 And so she is pointing to previous intelligence products that we put out
00:04:38.580 and saying that this was a politically designed product.
00:04:45.440 I think what she's trying to do is to gain the good graces of Donald Trump.
00:04:49.920 Clearly, several weeks ago, she was on the outs.
00:04:51.840 Yeah, because Donald Trump said that basically that she was wrong when she said earlier
00:04:58.700 that the Iranian nuclear program, the weaponization program, had not restarted.
00:05:03.920 And so I think there was seen that she was not being invited to meetings.
00:05:08.100 She was not in the confidence of Donald Trump and others.
00:05:11.180 And so in a very, I think, hurried sort of exposition here of information, she puts this out.
00:05:18.160 I wish she would look at the evidence.
00:05:20.200 I wish she would look at the assessment.
00:05:21.980 I wish she would look at the reviews that were done.
00:05:24.100 But clearly, she is not interested in the facts.
00:05:27.240 She's not interested in the truth.
00:05:28.420 She's just interested in trying to cast aspersions at intelligence professionals
00:05:32.580 who really did their best under difficult circumstances in 2016
00:05:36.360 when Russia was fully engaged in this election interference.
00:05:39.320 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:05:48.400 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:05:53.600 Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:05:57.860 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:05:59.780 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:06:01.200 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:06:03.880 It's going to happen.
00:06:04.940 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:06:08.480 MAGA Media.
00:06:09.480 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:06:15.400 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:06:19.100 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:06:25.440 War Room.
00:06:26.320 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:06:28.700 It's Saturday, 26 July, Year of the Lord, 2025.
00:06:34.500 Of course, we're here for the Saturday morning show on War Room.
00:06:37.200 As you know, it's always my favorite.
00:06:40.860 We're going to get to President Trump in Scotland.
00:06:44.000 We're going to have Matthew Godwin, one of the world's best experts on populist,
00:06:49.700 on the rise of populist nationalism from the United Kingdom.
00:06:53.240 And a specialist in Brexit is going to join us.
00:06:55.360 Ben Harnwell will join us.
00:06:56.440 Josh Pettit is going to talk about President Trump's.
00:06:59.800 We're actually going to walk you through why President Trump's there to see his golf courses
00:07:02.860 and launch a new one that some of them have been very controversial and very controversial
00:07:07.740 why President Trump's turnaround of the classic Turnberry, which is one of the greatest venues
00:07:13.720 in the open rota, is not in the open rota by the rural and ancient because of Donald Trump.
00:07:19.760 We'll get to all that a little later.
00:07:21.380 A lot.
00:07:22.020 We're going to break down.
00:07:22.840 Tulsi was up on.
00:07:23.680 Charlie Kirk did a great job on Fox and Friends this morning.
00:07:26.440 I've already posted some of the stuff from, actually, Carly Bonet, midnight writer.
00:07:32.820 She did some great clips.
00:07:34.500 Charlie did a great job.
00:07:35.560 Tulsi Gabbard's been over there.
00:07:37.800 Eugene Daniels used to be at Politico.
00:07:40.480 Eugene Daniels is now the host of The Weeknd, since The Weeknd crew moved to Every Night on the weeknight in MSNBC.
00:07:47.140 And Eugene Daniels, I think, lays out the case as bad as well as can be.
00:07:52.160 Of course, he says demonstrably false, and this is all a misdirection.
00:07:55.140 But he lays out exactly kind of what the stakes are.
00:07:57.340 And Brennan, you know, Brennan's lawyer ought to tell him just to shut up.
00:08:02.660 But I love what he's doing because he's just burying himself deeper and deeper and deeper.
00:08:05.940 And when he's doing Saturday morning shows, right, does Friday night and Saturday morning, the brother's nervous, right?
00:08:11.960 He's out there all the time.
00:08:12.840 This is a distraction.
00:08:14.100 And, you know, we did this.
00:08:15.380 We got this great product.
00:08:16.400 Okay, fine.
00:08:17.180 We're just going to go through the receipts, bro, before your perp walk.
00:08:20.880 So we'll get to all that a little later.
00:08:23.160 I want to start with one of the most serious people in the country and someone that is a – that people in the White House, people at Treasury, capital markets, and, of course, the MAGA movement takes very seriously when she's ever doing an interview or giving analysis.
00:08:41.080 That's the great Judy Shelton.
00:08:42.480 I've got a call open for her.
00:08:43.620 I'll do in the second block.
00:08:46.760 Judy, you know, the president – we've got some clips we want to show you a little later.
00:08:49.960 But the president went to the Federal Reserve on the same day Scott Besson, the secretary of the treasury, saying, hey, look, this is just not about a new chairman.
00:08:57.020 We need a fundamental review, strategic review of exactly what we're doing here as a central bank.
00:09:02.580 What's their mandate?
00:09:04.060 What's the plan?
00:09:05.240 Are they helping us or hurting us?
00:09:07.480 I think you've been, and I would say, the most prominent of the critics of the Federal Reserve.
00:09:13.320 Can you walk us through your thoughts about what Scott Besson with the secretary of the treasury is saying?
00:09:18.700 Because the media, as they always do, you know, they've got to focus on palace intrigue.
00:09:23.260 So it's this person, that person.
00:09:25.000 But you've argued for a while we have a much deeper and systemic problem with our central bank, ma'am.
00:09:31.880 The floor is yours, your observations about where we stand with this central bank right now.
00:09:37.220 Well, first, Steve, let me just say how honored I am that you invited me.
00:09:41.920 I'm so glad to be with you this morning.
00:09:45.760 As far as the Federal Reserve, boy, do I welcome this.
00:09:49.840 They really needed a comeuppance.
00:09:53.000 For too long, the Fed has been accumulating power and prominence in financial markets.
00:10:01.020 It's entirely too political itself.
00:10:03.700 And I think that the chair, Jerome Powell, was setting himself up as some kind of an emperor who was going to sit in judgment.
00:10:15.420 And, yes, an elected president could come in and put forward their supply-side program of lower taxes and less regulation and smarter trade policy and better energy policy.
00:10:27.280 And the Fed would just sit there in judgment and decide if it would allow those things.
00:10:33.580 And it really came to a head when Chair Powell made that speech at the Economic Club in Chicago.
00:10:40.960 And I think he bought the farm when he did that.
00:10:44.400 Because, finally, the disconnect between the world of central banking and all the Americans who voted for President Trump and want those policy changes, who want an economy that's growing, who want an emphasis on the private sector, the real economy, they just said, now, wait a minute.
00:11:04.560 He's talking about tariff-caused inflation as if that's a done deal.
00:11:10.900 And it's time to call the Fed out on—it can no longer just say, oh, then you're threatening the sanctity of central bank independence or markets might get roiled.
00:11:24.080 I'm telling you, we're going to see the central bankers double down.
00:11:27.380 Because when Chair Powell goes to Europe and he gets toasted by Christine Lagarde, the head of the European Central Bank, and he gets a standing ovation as she says, oh, yes, we all hope to be as brave as he is in resisting—I presume she means being fired.
00:11:49.120 I mean, no one got fired when we hit 9 percent inflation, the highest, in 40 years.
00:11:55.060 And yet the Fed talks about transparency and accountability.
00:11:59.220 But it's kind of cheap grace, because in the end, the Fed just keeps perpetuating its own power.
00:12:08.560 It has wrong models, wrong mechanisms.
00:12:11.920 It needs an entirely new construct.
00:12:13.500 I welcome when Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said we need fundamental reform.
00:12:19.760 It matters a lot more than whether the Fed reduces 25 basis points in July versus September.
00:12:25.620 And even the building renovation project, that's just the thread that we can now pull to unravel all of the problems at the Fed.
00:12:35.360 Running at an operating loss since September 2022, over $900 billion in unrealized capital losses on its own portfolio.
00:12:45.620 And for me, the worst, the Fed paying interest on reserve balances, which means it doesn't engage in open market operations to set monetary policy.
00:12:55.260 It dictates the interest rate.
00:12:57.320 In a free market economy, it fixes the interest rate, the price of loanable capital.
00:13:04.880 And it does it by paying banks not to make loans and not to put their money in Treasury securities, which would bring down those rates, which do affect the real economy.
00:13:15.740 So I'm happy I'll be meeting with Republican senators next week at their steering committee meeting.
00:13:22.440 You have a number of senators who are finally willing to exercise, I think, their constitutionally mandated oversight responsibility.
00:13:30.740 Section 1, Article 8, they're supposed to regulate the money.
00:13:34.260 Judy, hang on for a second.
00:13:38.080 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:13:39.280 Judy Shelton is with us this morning on one of the most fundamental issues in this country about the central bank, currency, interest rates, all of it.
00:13:49.300 Update, as we told you, Fishback has got a court hearing on Monday about whether under the Sunshine Laws, I think from the 1970s, 1980s, they can even have a private meeting.
00:14:01.280 These meetings can be private and not open to the public on Tuesday at the Fed.
00:14:06.260 The Fed, yesterday, I think their lawyers claimed it would be a grave disservice to the public if these things are transparent.
00:14:13.260 So we're getting at all that.
00:14:14.660 End of the dollar empire, eight free installments.
00:14:19.180 Excuse me, seven free installments.
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00:14:26.720 One thing I want to ask Judy about is about this fight from the very beginning of our republic about central banks.
00:14:33.860 If you get into the dollar empire, go to birchgold.com slash Bannon.
00:14:37.900 The first, I think, two free installments actually talk about that in the 19th century when we really had debates all the time about currency.
00:14:47.900 Short commercial break.
00:14:49.240 Judy Shelton about our central bank, our currency, all of it.
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00:16:39.260 Must find Philadelphia much change.
00:16:41.700 There was more change than I could have imagined, Mr. Hamilton.
00:16:45.800 Not the city itself.
00:16:47.200 All cities swallow everything in their way.
00:16:49.540 That's no surprise to me.
00:16:50.720 That's why I abhor them.
00:16:51.720 But I've been, as you know, in revolutionary France,
00:16:55.300 where the streets are filled with the songs of liberty and brotherhood
00:17:00.160 and the overthrow of ancient tyrannies of Europe,
00:17:03.720 and to return from there to this, our cradle of revolution,
00:17:08.080 and find the dinner table chatter is all of money and banks and authority,
00:17:13.520 is an unwelcome surprise.
00:17:17.360 Unwelcome, perhaps, but necessary.
00:17:19.120 I must admit, Mr. Hamilton,
00:17:24.380 I'm a little uncertain
00:17:26.740 as to the purpose of the Treasury Department.
00:17:30.840 No doubt its function will reveal itself to me in good time.
00:17:35.120 The future prosperity of this nation rests chiefly in trade.
00:17:40.540 Trade depends, among other things,
00:17:42.660 on the willingness of other nations to lend us money.
00:17:45.040 And how would you propose to establish international credit?
00:17:49.360 Our first step would be to incur a national debt.
00:17:52.840 The greater the debt, the greater the credit.
00:17:55.880 And to that end, I have recommended to the President
00:17:58.660 that Congress adopt all the debts incurred by the individual states
00:18:04.120 during the war through a national bank.
00:18:06.940 The idea being that if the states owe Congress money,
00:18:11.080 then other nations will feel more inclined to lend it to us.
00:18:16.700 If the states are indebted to a central authority,
00:18:20.340 it increases the power of the central government.
00:18:22.720 You have it exactly.
00:18:24.540 The greater the government's responsibility,
00:18:26.320 the greater its authority.
00:18:29.580 The moneyed interest in this country
00:18:31.980 is all in the north,
00:18:35.140 so the wealth and power
00:18:36.880 would inevitably be concentrated there
00:18:39.000 in the federal government.
00:18:41.540 To the expense of the south.
00:18:44.480 If that is the case,
00:18:46.460 it is unavoidable if the union is to be preserved.
00:18:51.580 I fear a revolution will have been in vain
00:18:53.780 if a Virginia farmer is to be held in hock
00:18:56.160 to a New York stock jobber
00:18:57.660 who in turn is in hock to a London banker.
00:18:59.920 The opportunities for avarice and corruption
00:19:06.380 would certainly prove irresistible.
00:19:10.720 Well, there you have it.
00:19:12.380 As I have heard said,
00:19:13.980 if men were angels,
00:19:15.460 then no government would be necessary.
00:19:17.640 Right there you see,
00:19:18.900 and that is from the classic John Adams on HBO,
00:19:22.160 and I strongly recommend,
00:19:23.260 if you have not watched that
00:19:24.380 and watched it with the family,
00:19:25.400 you do it right there
00:19:26.280 at the very beginning of the country.
00:19:28.040 That is, ladies and gentlemen,
00:19:29.640 the very first cabinet meeting
00:19:31.460 of General Washington,
00:19:33.280 President Washington,
00:19:34.080 his very first cabinet meeting
00:19:35.300 with Jefferson,
00:19:37.780 newly returned from France,
00:19:39.520 and Alexander Hamilton.
00:19:40.800 And what is the argument
00:19:41.880 at the very first cabinet meeting,
00:19:43.440 the very first topic?
00:19:45.300 Money, debt, central banking, all of it.
00:19:49.460 Judy Shelton,
00:19:50.260 so the beginning of our republic, ma'am,
00:19:53.020 this has been a central issue.
00:19:54.420 It's not taught, right?
00:19:56.140 They don't want you to know about this,
00:19:57.380 but this went all the way
00:19:58.480 through Andrew Jackson,
00:19:59.860 all the way through, in fact,
00:20:01.020 the great 1836 to, I think, 1911, 1913.
00:20:05.460 It was one of the greatest periods
00:20:06.820 of growth in world history.
00:20:08.880 We did it without a central bank.
00:20:10.500 Your assessment of this, ma'am?
00:20:13.820 Steve, that conversation
00:20:15.740 you just aired is so riveting,
00:20:20.240 and it shows that from the beginning,
00:20:22.180 there was this slippery slope
00:20:24.900 between wanting to preserve
00:20:27.200 the founding principles
00:20:29.060 of a nation that believed
00:20:30.720 it was capable of self-government
00:20:32.680 and that it would achieve this
00:20:34.900 by empowering individuals economically.
00:20:38.880 They would have freedom
00:20:40.340 to plan their own lives.
00:20:42.020 They were deemed capable.
00:20:43.860 In the Constitution,
00:20:47.040 in Article I, Section 8,
00:20:49.600 when Congress was granted
00:20:50.860 the authority to regulate the money,
00:20:53.300 it's in the same sentence
00:20:54.940 as the one that gives Congress
00:20:56.960 the power to establish
00:20:58.740 the official standard of weights
00:21:01.120 and measures,
00:21:02.240 because money was meant to be
00:21:04.000 a measure,
00:21:05.160 an honest measure.
00:21:06.880 And so this tension
00:21:08.720 between Alexander Hamilton,
00:21:11.280 who wanted to convince
00:21:12.480 President Washington
00:21:14.020 that the United States
00:21:15.820 needed to be a big player
00:21:17.240 and issue debt
00:21:18.980 and gain credit
00:21:20.500 and become part of that
00:21:22.600 international system
00:21:24.220 for purposes of trade,
00:21:25.840 there's some valid arguments there,
00:21:27.920 and taking on the debt
00:21:29.420 of the individual colonies,
00:21:31.280 which were now
00:21:32.000 newly independent states,
00:21:34.380 but beneath the protection
00:21:37.680 of the United States of America
00:21:39.660 as a nation on its own,
00:21:42.840 Jefferson had written notes
00:21:44.760 on the establishment
00:21:45.740 of a money unit
00:21:46.980 for the United States.
00:21:49.180 And what Jefferson had emphasized
00:21:51.060 is money,
00:21:53.240 we have to have money
00:21:54.900 that people can take straight up,
00:21:56.860 and it shouldn't be
00:21:57.520 a sophisticated thing.
00:21:58.720 It should make sense
00:21:59.740 to the people who carry out
00:22:01.360 their everyday transactions.
00:22:03.320 He said it should be
00:22:04.260 easy to understand,
00:22:05.800 it should be familiar,
00:22:07.340 and it should give confidence,
00:22:08.860 and it will help unite
00:22:10.140 these earlier colonies
00:22:12.860 into their own country.
00:22:16.020 So Jefferson was highly suspicious
00:22:17.980 of central banks
00:22:19.740 because he thought
00:22:20.520 if you approve that
00:22:21.820 and you issue debt
00:22:23.780 and you're putting that burden,
00:22:26.300 adding that to the yoke
00:22:27.580 on members of the public,
00:22:29.600 how are you so different
00:22:30.760 from these other tyrannies
00:22:33.180 dominated by a king?
00:22:36.420 And both gentlemen,
00:22:39.620 both of these great men
00:22:41.120 in U.S. history,
00:22:42.340 wrote lengthy essays
00:22:43.500 to try to convince Washington.
00:22:45.780 Washington was very reluctant
00:22:47.360 to agree to establish a bank.
00:22:51.060 But in the end,
00:22:52.600 I think for these pragmatic purposes
00:22:55.460 of gaining entry
00:22:57.360 into what was then
00:22:58.800 the international trading system
00:23:00.580 and being seen
00:23:01.900 as a legitimate authority
00:23:04.540 and a new nation,
00:23:06.360 he acquiesced.
00:23:07.620 But as you say,
00:23:08.460 later in the 1800s,
00:23:10.460 when we issued greenbacks
00:23:13.720 and during the Civil War,
00:23:16.460 and the idea was
00:23:17.300 the government
00:23:17.700 would just have these IOUs
00:23:19.740 with no connection
00:23:21.140 to gold reserves
00:23:22.860 or backing of any kind,
00:23:24.280 but they had to be accepted
00:23:25.620 as legal tender,
00:23:26.540 that prevailed during the war
00:23:29.240 and right after the war,
00:23:30.660 the very man
00:23:31.340 who had approved that
00:23:32.440 as a Treasury official
00:23:34.940 became the head
00:23:36.680 of the Supreme Court
00:23:37.680 and he said
00:23:39.080 that what he had done
00:23:40.040 was unconstitutional.
00:23:41.940 He ruled that
00:23:42.960 that was a violation
00:23:44.100 of really these same
00:23:45.920 founding principles
00:23:46.880 that are in the Constitution.
00:23:49.440 So this tension goes on
00:23:51.920 and I'm so pleased,
00:23:55.460 it was so gratifying
00:23:56.680 to see President Trump
00:23:58.000 looking very natural
00:23:59.300 in a hard hat
00:24:01.000 for construction,
00:24:02.580 really confronting
00:24:04.140 and I think bringing down
00:24:05.680 to size
00:24:06.500 this chairman of the Fed
00:24:09.680 and the message there
00:24:12.960 for me
00:24:13.560 was that
00:24:14.660 when you have
00:24:15.660 a change of leadership
00:24:16.640 and I think he's hitting
00:24:17.700 on all cylinders remarkably
00:24:19.480 in all these
00:24:20.300 foreign policy areas,
00:24:22.260 on the border,
00:24:23.180 he's doing so much
00:24:24.480 challenging a corrupt DOJ,
00:24:27.200 but on this big question,
00:24:29.220 what is the appropriate role
00:24:30.800 of a central bank
00:24:32.060 in a free market economy?
00:24:35.060 And you hear all the invocation
00:24:38.380 of the dual mandate,
00:24:40.300 but really that's the way
00:24:41.640 the Fed protects itself.
00:24:43.860 I would put
00:24:44.500 the next Fed chairman
00:24:46.500 should be someone
00:24:47.580 who puts the Constitution
00:24:49.320 ahead of
00:24:50.760 the Federal Reserve
00:24:52.220 Reform Act
00:24:53.060 of 1977.
00:24:55.360 And I might also point out
00:24:56.720 that the Humphrey Hawkins Act
00:24:58.400 of 1978,
00:25:00.580 contrary
00:25:01.020 to what people say
00:25:02.520 about establishing
00:25:03.720 central bank independence,
00:25:06.980 says in it several times
00:25:09.120 what we need,
00:25:10.100 and I'm quoting,
00:25:10.980 this is legislative language,
00:25:12.600 is improved coordination
00:25:14.280 among the president,
00:25:16.160 the Congress,
00:25:17.540 and the Board of Governors
00:25:18.620 of the Federal Reserve.
00:25:20.840 And it was meant
00:25:22.260 to help use
00:25:23.620 an all-of-government approach
00:25:25.300 to achieve
00:25:26.040 national economic priorities,
00:25:28.820 one of which was
00:25:30.360 a better trade balance.
00:25:32.560 So I just think
00:25:33.620 the Fed has gone off the rails
00:25:35.280 and kind of
00:25:37.240 believes its own press clippings
00:25:39.620 when, in fact,
00:25:41.060 it is not serving the public
00:25:42.940 and it is not carrying
00:25:45.000 out the function.
00:25:46.220 I mean,
00:25:46.440 even the dual mandate,
00:25:47.800 stable prices,
00:25:48.940 that was meant
00:25:50.300 to mean
00:25:50.920 zero inflation.
00:25:52.760 Again,
00:25:53.180 read the legislation,
00:25:55.020 zero inflation.
00:25:56.600 The Fed,
00:25:57.500 in 1996,
00:25:58.740 when Alan Greenspan
00:25:59.780 was the chair,
00:26:01.200 discussed what it meant
00:26:02.500 to deliver
00:26:03.140 stable prices.
00:26:04.680 And Greenspan thought
00:26:05.660 it meant
00:26:05.960 zero inflation.
00:26:07.340 What else could it mean?
00:26:08.420 But he was talked
00:26:09.740 out of that
00:26:10.440 by Janet Yellen,
00:26:11.980 who was on the
00:26:12.640 Federal Open Market Committee
00:26:14.020 at the Federal Reserve.
00:26:15.920 And she thought,
00:26:16.780 let's have
00:26:17.720 perpetual low inflation,
00:26:20.140 basically because
00:26:21.400 through Keynesian principles,
00:26:23.040 that's how you
00:26:23.660 fool wage earners.
00:26:26.280 If the economy
00:26:27.300 takes a downturn,
00:26:28.680 and let's say normally
00:26:29.600 that meant
00:26:30.220 companies did
00:26:31.440 1% less business
00:26:33.260 and you would
00:26:34.300 maybe cut wages 1%,
00:26:36.640 she said,
00:26:37.140 oh, no, no.
00:26:37.740 If you have inflation
00:26:39.680 at, say,
00:26:40.200 2% or 3%,
00:26:41.220 you can actually
00:26:42.080 give them a raise
00:26:43.160 and they won't realize
00:26:44.720 that in real terms
00:26:45.760 they've lost
00:26:46.480 purchasing power.
00:26:48.340 And that has been
00:26:49.440 the Fed's policy
00:26:50.880 to deliberately
00:26:51.700 debase the dollar.
00:26:53.500 Even at 2% a year,
00:26:54.980 they would pat themselves
00:26:55.840 on the back
00:26:56.520 to get down to 2%.
00:26:57.880 But think of that,
00:26:58.840 over a decade,
00:27:00.280 losing 20%
00:27:01.260 of your purchasing power.
00:27:03.160 I just think,
00:27:04.320 I'm amazed
00:27:05.000 the American people
00:27:05.780 have put up with it
00:27:06.800 and I'm delighted
00:27:08.060 that I think
00:27:09.080 we're now starting
00:27:09.960 to confront the Fed
00:27:11.280 about these
00:27:11.960 longstanding policies
00:27:13.220 that have not served
00:27:14.980 the aims
00:27:15.820 or been consistent
00:27:16.740 with the principles
00:27:18.160 of America.
00:27:20.820 Judy,
00:27:21.400 can you hang on one second?
00:27:22.360 We'd love to hold you
00:27:23.060 to another break.
00:27:23.740 And the reason is
00:27:24.360 that as President Trump,
00:27:26.640 you saw at the beginning
00:27:27.640 with this issue
00:27:28.900 with the deep state
00:27:29.720 and going through
00:27:30.200 this investigation,
00:27:31.640 President Trump,
00:27:32.260 this is signal,
00:27:32.860 not noise.
00:27:33.280 He's going after
00:27:34.040 the fundamental institutions
00:27:35.720 that control your life
00:27:37.460 and actually asking
00:27:38.580 basic questions.
00:27:40.500 Do they serve a purpose?
00:27:41.680 Do they need to be purged?
00:27:42.740 Do they need to be restructured?
00:27:44.180 Or do we even need them?
00:27:47.500 Judy Shelton,
00:27:48.320 one of the biggest
00:27:48.960 observers and critics
00:27:50.640 of our central bank,
00:27:51.940 the Federal Reserve,
00:27:52.760 will be on the other side.
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00:29:18.800 Here's your host,
00:29:21.720 Stephen K.
00:29:22.440 Mann.
00:29:25.540 So,
00:29:26.140 as you can tell,
00:29:27.180 we're starting a big project here.
00:29:28.460 It's going to take
00:29:28.860 many months,
00:29:30.140 but it is to
00:29:31.860 basically deconstruct,
00:29:34.360 and you will be a part of this,
00:29:36.080 this audience,
00:29:36.720 as you've been in all these
00:29:37.720 fights and wars
00:29:38.440 we've had over the last five years,
00:29:40.180 about the restructuring
00:29:43.720 of exactly
00:29:44.580 how this
00:29:45.920 economic system works.
00:29:49.440 Now,
00:29:49.840 you've already done it.
00:29:50.640 You've had President Trump's back
00:29:51.920 on the commercial relationships
00:29:53.120 and trade.
00:29:53.700 One of the reasons in Scotland
00:29:54.740 he's going to talk to
00:29:55.720 the head of the EU.
00:29:57.380 He's going to talk to Starmer.
00:29:59.020 And like he said today,
00:29:59.920 hey,
00:30:00.140 we're going to talk trade
00:30:01.100 and I want to talk this deal,
00:30:02.500 but
00:30:02.680 you guys got to get your house
00:30:04.200 in order with migration.
00:30:06.280 He was very blunt
00:30:07.240 with these folks.
00:30:09.660 Our former
00:30:10.460 co-host,
00:30:11.340 Peter Navarro,
00:30:12.180 we'll get him on
00:30:12.660 and be part of this.
00:30:13.420 Of course,
00:30:13.720 our contributors,
00:30:14.580 over the years,
00:30:15.380 Russ Vogt
00:30:16.120 and, of course,
00:30:16.720 the Secretary of Treasury,
00:30:18.340 Scott Besant.
00:30:19.700 We'll have him
00:30:20.440 and Joe Lavernier
00:30:21.180 with a lot of analysis
00:30:23.160 and assessment
00:30:23.740 as we go on
00:30:24.460 in the days,
00:30:25.400 weeks,
00:30:25.640 and months ahead.
00:30:27.300 And, of course,
00:30:27.900 we had David Malpass
00:30:29.020 and we'll have E.J.
00:30:30.220 and Tony
00:30:30.600 and all this
00:30:31.100 and we're going to be
00:30:31.640 asking these basic
00:30:32.520 fundamental questions
00:30:33.380 that Scott Besant,
00:30:34.800 a former contributor,
00:30:35.680 put on the table.
00:30:36.960 It is now time
00:30:37.740 to really go through
00:30:38.540 the Federal Reserve
00:30:39.260 and take it apart
00:30:40.720 and look at it
00:30:41.560 and find out
00:30:43.480 what its strategy is,
00:30:44.360 what's actually,
00:30:45.480 you know,
00:30:45.760 happening.
00:30:46.440 What are the control mechanisms?
00:30:48.580 And I think we've got to get back
00:30:49.680 to the very basics,
00:30:51.140 what its purpose is
00:30:52.520 and do we need it.
00:30:54.520 Judy mentioned just,
00:30:55.700 you know,
00:30:56.100 passing,
00:30:57.000 a $900 billion loss,
00:30:59.660 unrealized loss
00:31:00.560 on their balance sheet
00:31:01.260 right now,
00:31:01.660 almost a trillion dollars.
00:31:05.420 Judy,
00:31:06.060 we're on the,
00:31:06.620 you know,
00:31:07.000 we just had the AI
00:31:08.000 action plan,
00:31:09.600 we've got
00:31:10.260 artificial intelligence,
00:31:12.080 we've got,
00:31:12.460 we just beat back
00:31:13.260 a central bank
00:31:13.900 digital currency.
00:31:14.740 This audience
00:31:15.440 with MTG
00:31:16.560 and a handful of others
00:31:17.420 made sure
00:31:17.980 that we had
00:31:18.360 an independent
00:31:18.920 vote passed
00:31:22.300 so we wouldn't go
00:31:23.080 to a central bank
00:31:23.740 digital currency
00:31:24.380 because they were about
00:31:25.080 to pass that up
00:31:25.840 on Capitol Hill.
00:31:27.420 So we're on the
00:31:28.160 age of,
00:31:29.460 we're on the eve
00:31:30.180 of a revolution
00:31:31.140 that will be
00:31:32.100 the greatest
00:31:32.740 industrial revolution
00:31:34.660 at least to date
00:31:36.740 with artificial intelligence
00:31:38.500 and the convergence
00:31:39.400 of quantum computing
00:31:40.680 and regenerative robotics
00:31:42.500 and artificial general
00:31:43.760 intelligence,
00:31:44.460 CRISPR,
00:31:44.760 all that,
00:31:45.060 the singularity
00:31:45.880 is within sight,
00:31:48.120 right?
00:31:48.400 As we said
00:31:49.480 when I was in
00:31:50.240 federal prison,
00:31:50.840 you can see the door.
00:31:53.560 Why is Judy Shelton
00:31:54.700 then,
00:31:55.940 why are you not
00:31:56.760 just a complete
00:31:57.780 throwback
00:31:58.460 to Jefferson
00:31:59.880 and Hamilton
00:32:00.520 and horse and buggy?
00:32:01.960 You continue
00:32:02.760 to hammer
00:32:03.300 the Fed
00:32:04.560 and the basic core,
00:32:05.880 you talk about gold,
00:32:06.900 gold bonds,
00:32:07.660 you want an audit.
00:32:09.380 Don't you come
00:32:10.360 from the horse
00:32:12.180 and buggy era
00:32:13.040 in that really
00:32:14.400 it's passed you by
00:32:15.560 what they're talking
00:32:17.060 about today
00:32:17.620 with the digitization
00:32:18.620 of money
00:32:19.120 and artificial intelligence
00:32:20.480 and all that
00:32:21.060 and everything we talk
00:32:21.980 about is really
00:32:23.040 about this barbaric
00:32:24.260 metal that really
00:32:25.280 harkens back
00:32:26.140 to the dark ages
00:32:27.480 of mankind,
00:32:28.500 ma'am?
00:32:29.700 I think that
00:32:31.040 talking about
00:32:32.100 the role of gold
00:32:33.620 in anchoring
00:32:35.000 an international
00:32:36.320 level monetary
00:32:38.080 playing field
00:32:39.000 is a very
00:32:40.420 forward-looking,
00:32:42.100 even sophisticated
00:32:43.080 approach.
00:32:43.920 I might note
00:32:44.540 that Secretary
00:32:45.640 Besson said
00:32:46.960 that he was
00:32:47.940 probably best
00:32:48.960 labeled a gold bug
00:32:50.060 during his
00:32:51.020 currency trading days.
00:32:53.940 And it's funny,
00:32:55.920 I even,
00:32:56.280 I was preparing
00:32:57.260 and looking
00:32:58.000 at some notes.
00:32:59.360 I actually have
00:33:00.300 an email
00:33:00.900 from Alan Greenspan.
00:33:03.360 This was from
00:33:04.460 July 2019.
00:33:06.140 I had a great
00:33:08.400 collegial relationship
00:33:10.000 with him
00:33:10.660 since 1990.
00:33:12.260 He'd read my book
00:33:12.980 on the coming
00:33:14.660 Soviet crash
00:33:15.720 and he had just
00:33:16.520 come back from
00:33:17.100 the Soviet Union
00:33:17.820 and he wanted me
00:33:18.520 to come to D.C.
00:33:19.220 to talk about it.
00:33:20.200 So then I met
00:33:20.780 pretty regularly
00:33:21.720 with him.
00:33:23.140 But when I was
00:33:24.020 a newly named
00:33:26.140 nominee
00:33:26.660 for the Federal
00:33:27.980 Reserve Board
00:33:28.680 by President Trump,
00:33:30.420 there was
00:33:31.020 just a brutal
00:33:33.560 column about me
00:33:35.200 in the Washington Post.
00:33:37.020 So I sent it
00:33:38.040 to Alan,
00:33:38.660 I emailed it,
00:33:39.880 and I started out
00:33:41.020 by saying,
00:33:41.720 I'm noting
00:33:42.200 a certain
00:33:42.800 almost hysterical
00:33:43.980 antagonism
00:33:44.800 toward the gold
00:33:45.500 standard these days.
00:33:47.340 And then said,
00:33:48.100 sound familiar?
00:33:49.040 That was the
00:33:49.740 opening sentence
00:33:50.860 of the paper
00:33:52.520 that Alan Greenspan
00:33:53.920 wrote called
00:33:54.660 Gold and Economic
00:33:55.840 Freedom.
00:33:57.360 A radical paper.
00:33:59.040 And he wrote
00:33:59.780 that for
00:34:00.620 Ayn Rand's
00:34:01.600 compendium,
00:34:02.400 Capitalism,
00:34:03.060 the Unknown Ideal.
00:34:05.320 And he emailed
00:34:06.480 right back,
00:34:07.300 Dear Judy,
00:34:08.420 interesting times.
00:34:10.400 If gold is such
00:34:11.220 a worthless metal,
00:34:12.300 then why does
00:34:12.880 the U.S.
00:34:13.520 government
00:34:13.860 and all other
00:34:15.040 major governments
00:34:15.920 hold so much
00:34:17.160 of it in storage?
00:34:19.100 Unquote.
00:34:20.060 Best, Alan.
00:34:22.160 So I've also
00:34:23.660 known Paul Volcker
00:34:25.260 since 1994.
00:34:27.700 right up until
00:34:29.340 he passed away.
00:34:31.240 We would always
00:34:32.460 be together
00:34:33.580 at the International
00:34:35.020 Monetary Conference
00:34:36.180 chaired by
00:34:37.140 Robert Mundell.
00:34:38.800 And I co-chaired
00:34:39.680 it the last few
00:34:40.400 years of Mundell's
00:34:41.520 life.
00:34:42.140 He was the
00:34:42.840 Nobel Economics
00:34:44.400 Laureate who was
00:34:45.220 really the
00:34:45.680 intellectual godfather
00:34:47.280 under President
00:34:48.560 Reagan for
00:34:49.360 supply-side
00:34:50.160 economics.
00:34:50.800 And he believed
00:34:51.820 a stable dollar
00:34:53.260 was just vital
00:34:54.960 to assuring
00:34:56.380 prosperity.
00:34:57.720 You needed
00:34:58.080 the proper
00:34:58.600 foundation for
00:35:00.300 market forces
00:35:01.620 to work,
00:35:02.700 for supply
00:35:03.260 and demand
00:35:04.420 to deliver
00:35:06.520 optimal economic
00:35:08.660 performance because
00:35:09.820 the money itself
00:35:11.160 conveyed accurate
00:35:12.800 price signals.
00:35:13.620 And it functioned
00:35:14.760 as a store
00:35:15.460 of value.
00:35:16.580 So it's
00:35:17.760 I've grown
00:35:19.400 a very
00:35:19.940 thick skin
00:35:20.980 and people
00:35:22.280 who criticize
00:35:22.820 gold are
00:35:23.800 not the ones
00:35:24.900 in the arena.
00:35:26.040 Paul Volcker
00:35:26.560 always talked
00:35:27.840 about the role
00:35:28.740 of gold as
00:35:29.560 the anchor
00:35:29.940 for the Bretton
00:35:30.480 Woods system.
00:35:31.560 He wrote
00:35:32.320 in his book
00:35:33.200 Changing
00:35:33.540 Fortunes,
00:35:34.300 he always thought
00:35:35.300 it was embarrassing
00:35:36.200 that the U.S.
00:35:37.180 walked away
00:35:37.860 from the gold
00:35:38.480 convertibility
00:35:39.340 obligation
00:35:40.680 and he was
00:35:42.160 sure we were
00:35:42.760 going to just
00:35:43.320 restore the
00:35:44.400 system but at a
00:35:45.320 higher valuation
00:35:46.420 for gold.
00:35:47.960 So when I see
00:35:49.500 people who have
00:35:50.080 been in the arena
00:35:50.820 and served for
00:35:52.180 many, many years
00:35:53.200 as the head
00:35:54.360 of the most
00:35:55.100 important central
00:35:55.840 bank in the
00:35:56.360 world, like
00:35:57.180 Greenspan, like
00:35:58.180 Volcker, and
00:35:59.580 then to have
00:36:00.200 such a good
00:36:00.660 relationship with
00:36:01.420 Mundell, who
00:36:02.800 his supply-side
00:36:04.540 approach is now
00:36:05.420 being replicated
00:36:06.680 and I think
00:36:07.720 improved and
00:36:08.760 made substantially
00:36:09.500 stronger due to
00:36:11.220 the bold
00:36:11.660 leadership of
00:36:12.680 President Trump,
00:36:13.960 I can
00:36:14.560 laugh off
00:36:16.300 people who
00:36:17.080 think it's
00:36:18.660 better, a
00:36:19.680 better system
00:36:20.540 to listen to
00:36:22.460 the nuanced
00:36:23.180 statement of
00:36:24.860 12 officials on
00:36:26.660 the voting
00:36:27.220 committee that
00:36:28.400 defines, that
00:36:29.820 dictates the
00:36:30.880 rate of interest
00:36:31.820 and they meet
00:36:33.600 eight times a
00:36:34.460 year to decide
00:36:35.620 the cost of
00:36:36.260 loanable capital,
00:36:37.500 I mean, that's
00:36:38.100 barbaric.
00:36:38.860 To me, that
00:36:39.320 violates the
00:36:40.300 norms of
00:36:41.600 democratic governance.
00:36:42.720 So I would
00:36:44.040 rather have, I
00:36:45.320 think I would
00:36:45.720 go with the
00:36:46.220 thinking, not
00:36:47.020 just of central
00:36:47.800 banks, which
00:36:49.040 have been buying
00:36:49.600 up gold like
00:36:50.560 crazy, but all
00:36:51.740 the people buying
00:36:52.460 it at Costco.
00:36:53.460 I trust that
00:36:54.680 aggregate wisdom
00:36:55.800 much more than
00:36:57.580 the rather
00:36:58.060 insulated world of
00:36:59.320 central bankers
00:37:00.340 who think they
00:37:01.380 can control the
00:37:02.380 money supply.
00:37:03.240 You brought up
00:37:04.100 all of this,
00:37:05.320 these evolving
00:37:06.300 electronic payment
00:37:08.640 platforms.
00:37:09.520 How can you
00:37:10.760 control the
00:37:11.380 money supply
00:37:12.080 with stable
00:37:12.960 coins coming
00:37:14.060 on?
00:37:14.400 There's unlimited
00:37:15.020 potential for
00:37:15.960 stable coins to
00:37:17.440 serve as money.
00:37:18.780 You have the
00:37:20.200 explosion of
00:37:20.880 private credit.
00:37:22.380 The whole
00:37:23.040 rationale for
00:37:24.500 a Federal Reserve
00:37:25.300 system was to
00:37:27.060 prevent banking
00:37:28.000 panics.
00:37:29.140 Well, now more
00:37:29.640 than 50% of the
00:37:31.500 loans to small
00:37:32.340 and medium-sized
00:37:33.260 businesses are
00:37:34.340 coming from
00:37:34.860 non-bank
00:37:35.660 institutions,
00:37:37.100 private credit.
00:37:38.020 How is the Fed
00:37:39.260 examining that?
00:37:41.520 There's a
00:37:42.040 regulatory
00:37:42.480 arbitrage going
00:37:43.580 on where the
00:37:44.160 big banks just
00:37:45.820 play footsie
00:37:46.480 with the Fed.
00:37:47.260 They collect
00:37:47.780 hefty interest
00:37:49.060 rates for
00:37:49.660 letting their
00:37:50.060 money sit in
00:37:51.160 cash balances
00:37:52.720 at the Federal
00:37:53.620 Reserve.
00:37:54.760 And then on the
00:37:55.280 side, and we
00:37:56.000 just heard Jamie
00:37:56.880 Diamond talking
00:37:57.700 about this, he
00:37:58.340 says, I think
00:37:58.840 it's dangerous as
00:37:59.640 can be, but we
00:38:00.320 want in on it.
00:38:01.660 So J.P.
00:38:02.520 Morgan is now
00:38:03.580 saying we're
00:38:04.320 going to get
00:38:04.960 into this private
00:38:05.860 credit business
00:38:06.780 big time.
00:38:07.340 Those loans
00:38:08.280 are not under
00:38:09.540 the immediate
00:38:10.200 regulatory oversight
00:38:12.340 of the Federal
00:38:13.180 Reserve.
00:38:14.200 And another very
00:38:15.420 interesting movement,
00:38:17.360 the growing number
00:38:18.140 of states,
00:38:18.880 including Florida
00:38:20.200 and Texas,
00:38:22.360 in the last two
00:38:23.680 months have
00:38:24.540 signed legislation
00:38:25.600 to allow citizens
00:38:27.580 to use gold
00:38:28.780 and silver
00:38:29.400 through debit
00:38:30.940 cards and mobile
00:38:31.980 applications as
00:38:33.380 legal tender for
00:38:34.720 everyday transactions.
00:38:35.760 and it was no
00:38:36.800 mistake.
00:38:37.840 I mean, Greg
00:38:38.980 Abbott, the
00:38:39.700 governor of Texas,
00:38:40.560 when he signed
00:38:41.740 the legislation
00:38:42.520 less than a
00:38:43.220 month ago, he
00:38:44.340 said this is to
00:38:45.300 restore constitutional
00:38:47.120 money.
00:38:48.600 And when Governor
00:38:49.220 DeSantis signed it
00:38:50.380 for Florida just a
00:38:51.440 month before that,
00:38:52.580 he said this is to
00:38:53.520 restore economic
00:38:54.580 freedom.
00:38:55.600 So you have an
00:38:56.260 alternative to a
00:38:57.200 dollar that is being
00:38:58.400 deliberately debased.
00:38:59.960 I think this should
00:39:01.060 be sending a signal
00:39:02.500 to Washington, and I
00:39:04.340 think it is, and I
00:39:05.520 think our members
00:39:06.680 of Congress are
00:39:07.500 picking up on it,
00:39:08.900 that the spell has
00:39:10.700 been broken.
00:39:11.620 When the Fed allowed
00:39:13.160 inflation to get to
00:39:15.280 the point that it
00:39:16.240 did, when the Fed's
00:39:17.420 model predicted doom
00:39:19.280 and gloom, and that
00:39:20.560 didn't happen, when
00:39:21.820 people started to
00:39:22.700 realize that the way
00:39:25.620 you fight inflation is
00:39:26.820 by increasing output,
00:39:28.520 increasing supply, not
00:39:30.760 by trying to suppress
00:39:32.280 demand and curtail
00:39:33.400 growth, what the Fed
00:39:34.780 does, when government
00:39:35.760 is overspending and
00:39:36.960 engaged in classic
00:39:38.100 stimulus deficit
00:39:39.560 spending, and then the
00:39:41.340 Fed becomes a
00:39:42.120 disciplinarian and
00:39:43.000 says, well, we'll run
00:39:43.920 up interest rates to
00:39:45.620 prevent inflation, all
00:39:47.040 they're doing is
00:39:47.640 empowering government
00:39:48.640 at the expense of the
00:39:50.600 private sector, because
00:39:51.760 government has to pay
00:39:53.100 whatever the interest
00:39:54.400 rate is decreed through
00:39:55.500 treasury auctions.
00:39:56.920 But for entrepreneurs,
00:39:59.100 for small business
00:40:00.100 people, who really
00:40:01.140 need access to
00:40:02.060 capital, when you
00:40:04.260 set artificially high
00:40:05.720 interest rates, which
00:40:06.580 is what the Fed means
00:40:07.560 when it says, yes, it's
00:40:09.060 restrictive, they mean
00:40:10.840 it's restricting the
00:40:12.520 amount of real growth
00:40:13.860 that it is permitting,
00:40:15.360 because these people are
00:40:16.640 now having to go
00:40:17.340 elsewhere.
00:40:18.700 And because high cost
00:40:20.400 of capital is a real
00:40:21.260 barrier to people in the
00:40:23.260 real economy, that's why
00:40:25.440 it makes no sense to
00:40:27.460 have fiscal policy
00:40:30.560 working at odds with
00:40:32.200 monetary policy to the
00:40:33.600 benefit of empowering
00:40:34.860 big government.
00:40:37.440 Are the BRICs totally
00:40:39.920 wrong?
00:40:40.320 I mean, geopolitically,
00:40:41.280 it's becoming anti-Western,
00:40:43.460 but when they talk about
00:40:44.540 the deterioration of the
00:40:47.520 dollar, and they're
00:40:48.420 looking to do bilateral
00:40:49.380 agreements that are
00:40:50.420 backed in gold, and
00:40:51.480 they're talking about some
00:40:52.120 sort of gold-backed
00:40:54.100 currency, and they deem
00:40:58.080 their central banks to
00:40:58.920 go buy gold at record
00:40:59.880 rates, they understand
00:41:01.580 something about the
00:41:02.840 deterioration of the
00:41:03.700 dollar, correct?
00:41:05.560 They have their reasons.
00:41:07.500 Of course, we don't want
00:41:08.540 that to happen.
00:41:09.760 I like that President
00:41:10.780 Trump put it out there
00:41:12.580 that don't do that.
00:41:16.580 It's hard for them,
00:41:18.020 because we have the
00:41:19.120 deepest financial markets,
00:41:20.720 we have a lot going for
00:41:22.160 us.
00:41:22.520 The U.S.
00:41:23.660 has a legacy of having
00:41:25.180 been the anchor country
00:41:26.340 for the Bretton Woods
00:41:27.180 system, which not only
00:41:29.240 delivered productive
00:41:30.360 growth all over the
00:41:31.840 world, and you had fixed
00:41:33.820 exchange rates, which
00:41:35.020 meant trade was carried
00:41:36.860 out on the basis of a
00:41:39.140 unified money system, just
00:41:40.760 like we had when Adam
00:41:42.420 Smith wrote The Wealth of
00:41:43.960 Nations.
00:41:44.600 You can't talk about
00:41:45.720 comparative advantage if
00:41:49.400 currency manipulation is
00:41:51.700 obscuring the price signals
00:41:53.420 and slanting to the
00:41:55.080 advantage of countries
00:41:56.220 that depreciate their
00:41:57.500 currencies.
00:41:58.880 So the BRICS countries,
00:42:00.360 they want to avoid
00:42:01.060 sanctions.
00:42:01.960 They understand that the
00:42:03.700 U.S.
00:42:04.060 dollar is subject to what
00:42:06.120 we're calling the
00:42:07.180 inability, the fiscal
00:42:11.500 insustainability of our
00:42:14.000 path, which we keep saying
00:42:16.920 we're going to deal with in
00:42:17.800 the long run.
00:42:18.500 Well, I'm waiting for day
00:42:19.640 one of the long run and
00:42:21.620 trying to get down to a
00:42:22.600 balanced budget.
00:42:23.320 You need sound finances to
00:42:25.440 go with sound money.
00:42:27.080 But this is why I say the
00:42:28.700 United States could just
00:42:30.840 leap ahead.
00:42:32.060 And it would be fairly
00:42:32.820 simple if you had your
00:42:35.120 Treasury secretary.
00:42:36.700 And I say I think Scott
00:42:38.020 Bessent would be amenable to
00:42:39.300 this because he is a
00:42:40.320 student of monetary
00:42:41.080 history, even a professor
00:42:42.860 of monetary history.
00:42:45.140 The Treasury could issue a
00:42:47.000 fall back.
00:42:47.720 Hang on.
00:42:48.380 We've got to go to a break.
00:42:49.620 I want to give the punch
00:42:50.600 line on the other side.
00:42:53.200 Judy Shelton with an
00:42:54.700 amazing hour here to walk
00:42:57.920 us through finance,
00:42:59.200 economics, central banking,
00:43:00.740 currency, all of it.
00:43:02.600 Short commercial break.
00:43:03.440 Judy Shelton on the other
00:43:04.420 side.
00:43:04.700 There's a lot of talk
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00:44:38.520 Here's your host, Stephen
00:44:40.180 K.
00:44:40.600 Mann.
00:44:42.680 Judy Shelton's with us, the
00:44:44.380 author of Good is Gold.
00:44:45.780 It's now out.
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00:44:47.540 We're going to get all her
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00:44:50.260 Judy, go ahead and finish
00:44:51.160 what you were saying about
00:44:52.540 Scott Besson.
00:44:54.500 I think as Treasury
00:44:55.800 Secretary, he could
00:44:57.640 authorize with President
00:44:59.720 Trump's approval.
00:45:00.840 I believe he would love
00:45:02.200 the idea.
00:45:03.500 He could authorize the
00:45:04.880 issuance next year
00:45:06.840 on July 4,
00:45:08.440 2026, of a 50-year
00:45:11.520 Treasury bond
00:45:13.140 convertible into gold
00:45:15.240 at maturity at the
00:45:16.460 option of the bond
00:45:17.500 holder.
00:45:19.160 I think this would be
00:45:20.460 something like a
00:45:21.600 TIPS bond,
00:45:23.380 Treasury Inflation
00:45:24.360 Protected Security.
00:45:25.780 It can just be an
00:45:26.780 offering put out there
00:45:28.080 for investors.
00:45:29.780 I think the demand
00:45:30.660 would be phenomenal.
00:45:33.140 I think this might
00:45:34.620 involve verifying a
00:45:36.700 walkthrough Fort Knox.
00:45:38.240 I think the gold is
00:45:39.100 there, but let's make sure
00:45:40.100 there are no
00:45:40.540 encumbrances.
00:45:41.920 The 261 million
00:45:43.120 ounces the U.S.
00:45:44.460 owns, we carry it at a
00:45:46.700 book value of $11 billion.
00:45:48.180 It's worth closer to a
00:45:49.480 trillion.
00:45:50.220 You could take a windfall
00:45:51.420 profit if you
00:45:53.000 collateralize that gold.
00:45:55.080 Gold are family jewels.
00:45:57.720 We're in a family
00:45:58.440 emergency.
00:45:59.460 You pledge those as
00:46:00.860 specific collateral for
00:46:02.400 these bonds.
00:46:03.700 And I think that starts
00:46:04.940 to establish the
00:46:05.920 lodestar.
00:46:07.420 And what I think that
00:46:08.640 we need to do, and what
00:46:11.620 I would say to the
00:46:12.280 Treasury Secretary and to
00:46:13.840 members of Congress,
00:46:14.780 particularly the Senate,
00:46:15.920 who are looking at the
00:46:16.740 Fed, the Fed is
00:46:18.360 potentially facing an
00:46:19.540 existential crisis.
00:46:20.480 When you have people
00:46:21.320 like a constitutionalist
00:46:23.440 Senator Mike Lee
00:46:24.360 calling for end the
00:46:25.880 Fed and Senator Rand
00:46:27.360 Paul calling for an
00:46:28.400 audit of the Fed, I
00:46:30.380 think the next Fed
00:46:31.440 chair should be
00:46:32.500 concentrating on
00:46:34.400 eliminating the Fed's
00:46:36.420 mechanism of paying
00:46:38.280 interest on reserve
00:46:39.440 balances.
00:46:39.920 It's paying 4.4% on
00:46:42.100 $3.4 trillion sitting
00:46:43.760 in cash.
00:46:44.940 40% of the hundreds of
00:46:47.060 billions it's paying
00:46:48.500 is going to foreign
00:46:50.000 owned banks.
00:46:51.140 I think that's
00:46:52.220 outrageous.
00:46:53.760 And the Fed should
00:46:54.640 instead go back to the
00:46:56.000 Paul Volcker way of
00:46:57.160 open market operations,
00:46:58.680 which means it should be
00:46:59.700 shrinking its portfolio
00:47:00.920 and selling off some of
00:47:02.800 its own Treasuries.
00:47:04.000 And I think as banks
00:47:05.500 got off of that
00:47:06.960 approach of just
00:47:08.460 passively collecting
00:47:09.520 money from the Fed,
00:47:10.900 they would put that
00:47:12.200 money into the Treasury
00:47:13.600 instruments and bring
00:47:14.940 down those interest
00:47:16.520 rates, which really
00:47:17.320 would matter to the
00:47:18.700 real economy.
00:47:19.880 And then my third
00:47:20.600 piece of advice is
00:47:21.700 have Treasury work
00:47:23.040 with the Fed to
00:47:24.460 issue that 50-year
00:47:25.580 bond, because if you
00:47:27.080 compare the rate of
00:47:28.240 return on a bond
00:47:29.880 that's convertible into
00:47:30.760 gold, a dollar
00:47:31.680 denominated in dollars
00:47:33.700 as good as gold, and
00:47:35.780 compare what the U.S.
00:47:37.000 has to pay for that
00:47:38.300 interest rate relative
00:47:39.780 to fiat money, which
00:47:41.760 denominates normal
00:47:43.180 Treasury securities, that
00:47:45.060 could come to serve not
00:47:46.520 just as an information
00:47:47.500 tool to the Fed about
00:47:49.220 the aggregate expectations
00:47:50.440 of the future purchasing
00:47:51.580 power of the dollar
00:47:53.040 relative to gold, which
00:47:54.340 is a good surrogate for
00:47:56.120 commodities and the real
00:47:57.280 economy.
00:47:59.100 It could become a price
00:48:01.320 rule in the future.
00:48:02.900 Instead of just having
00:48:04.100 wholly discretionary
00:48:05.500 authority of the 12
00:48:07.600 people who decide the
00:48:08.840 rate of capital, maybe if
00:48:10.660 there's a huge discrepancy,
00:48:12.140 a big gap in the interest
00:48:13.980 return on dollar
00:48:16.060 denominated instruments
00:48:17.300 where it's as good as
00:48:18.440 gold compared to fiat
00:48:20.000 money, that would be a
00:48:21.480 signal that the Fed had to
00:48:22.660 take certain actions.
00:48:24.180 The people who worry most
00:48:25.420 about Federal Reserve
00:48:27.160 independence are the
00:48:28.940 ones most resistant to any
00:48:30.480 kind of a rule, and I
00:48:33.040 think that's very telling.
00:48:34.520 So those would be my
00:48:35.300 recommendations.
00:48:35.860 Judy, where do people get
00:48:38.900 your ratings, where they
00:48:39.620 get the new book, Good as
00:48:40.580 Gold, and where they get
00:48:41.560 all your writing, social
00:48:43.260 media, all of it, ma'am?
00:48:45.320 Well, thanks for asking.
00:48:46.860 Amazon, Good as Gold, How to
00:48:48.900 Unleash the Power of Sound
00:48:50.540 Money, and it details my
00:48:53.720 approach, which is that we
00:48:54.980 know central planning doesn't
00:48:56.540 work, so why do we have
00:48:58.020 that at our central bank?
00:49:00.300 And then it gets into the
00:49:01.320 very specifics of the
00:49:02.760 proposal I just outlined.
00:49:04.780 And you can follow me on
00:49:06.920 X at Judy Schell.
00:49:11.280 Judy, thank you for taking
00:49:12.660 an hour on a Saturday
00:49:13.900 morning in July, in late
00:49:15.140 July, to inform our
00:49:16.680 audience.
00:49:17.100 I'm telling you, people
00:49:17.680 loved it, and we'll make
00:49:18.640 sure we get you back on
00:49:19.900 here and talk about all
00:49:20.840 these developments as we
00:49:22.520 push forward for a
00:49:23.580 restructuring of the
00:49:24.640 Federal Reserve, ma'am.
00:49:26.400 It was nice to be with
00:49:27.600 you, Steve.
00:49:28.080 Thank you for inviting me.
00:49:30.200 Thank you, ma'am.
00:49:32.100 Wow.
00:49:32.500 This is what they don't
00:49:35.300 want working class people
00:49:36.580 and middle class to
00:49:37.420 understand.
00:49:38.040 They don't want you to
00:49:38.820 understand, really, money,
00:49:40.940 currency, the way the
00:49:43.000 system works.
00:49:43.860 If you're going to make
00:49:44.440 changes to the system, you
00:49:45.900 have to understand the
00:49:46.780 system and how it works, so
00:49:48.960 then you can take it
00:49:49.640 apart.
00:49:51.020 President Trump, and this
00:49:51.740 is why this huge fight
00:49:54.440 you've had for years and
00:49:55.680 years and years to return
00:49:57.660 President Trump to the
00:49:59.940 Oval Office is so
00:50:02.060 important because you
00:50:03.320 bring in people like
00:50:04.460 Russ Vogt, you bring in
00:50:06.300 people like Dr. Peter
00:50:07.840 Navarro, you bring in
00:50:08.860 people like Scott
00:50:09.660 Besant, right?
00:50:11.260 These people that are
00:50:12.160 taking a fundamental and
00:50:14.420 serious look at the
00:50:16.760 system and how to either
00:50:19.020 take it apart and rebuild
00:50:20.580 it so it maximizes
00:50:22.700 freedom for the American
00:50:23.600 people and the benefit of
00:50:24.960 American citizens, and
00:50:27.500 what Judy said right
00:50:28.300 there, we'll get more
00:50:29.020 into that in the days and
00:50:30.400 weeks ahead, about paying
00:50:31.420 interest on these bank
00:50:33.120 reserves, particularly 50%
00:50:34.460 of it going to foreign
00:50:35.200 banks.
00:50:36.540 The rot inside the system
00:50:38.160 is amazing, but the
00:50:39.700 resistance to change, and
00:50:41.040 this is one of the things
00:50:41.820 that's so we have to stick
00:50:42.920 the landing on what
00:50:44.460 Tulsi Gabbard has put
00:50:45.400 before us.
00:50:46.260 We're going to get more
00:50:46.860 into that in the second
00:50:47.700 hour, which is so vitally,
00:50:49.980 vitally important.
00:50:51.980 We're coming up on the
00:50:52.880 second hour.
00:50:53.740 We're going to go and
00:50:54.560 shift our focus a little
00:50:55.940 bit, some of the same
00:50:57.300 problems, but we're going
00:50:58.240 to go and follow
00:50:59.380 President Trump in
00:51:00.360 Scotland and what the
00:51:02.740 Trump revolution means
00:51:03.940 there.
00:51:05.820 On Monday, we're going
00:51:07.260 to spend a lot of time
00:51:08.340 on this redistricting
00:51:09.980 situation.
00:51:11.220 It's now spread to
00:51:12.080 Florida.
00:51:12.560 Governor Sanz has said,
00:51:13.640 hey, I think we've got
00:51:14.940 five seats here that we
00:51:16.100 can redistrict.
00:51:16.860 They have to because of
00:51:17.740 demographic shifts, and
00:51:20.040 now we're calling for a
00:51:21.200 mid-decade audit, a
00:51:23.920 mid-decade census audit.
00:51:25.760 We're going to do the
00:51:26.200 audit in the Federal
00:51:26.680 Reserve right away.
00:51:27.680 Mid-decade census.
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