Bannon's War Room - Episode 4665： Cleaning House In The Intelligence Department

00:00:00.000 One thing is that there was a reporter that actually, I'll get to this in a while, a reporter that actually tweeted out when I was having a meeting, this was after Brian Harrison came on, about the redistricting in Texas and not being off to the best foot.

00:00:17.140 A reporter, and I'll pull it up here in a minute, tweeted out that Hakeem Jeffries was actually going to Austin, Texas, the state capitol, to make a presentation on Wednesday.

00:00:28.720 That's how important the Democrats are.

00:00:30.920 They view this redistricting or shutting it down.

00:00:33.460 I'll get more to that.

00:00:34.760 Big development out of the courts today about the Federal Reserve, also the trade deals, all of it.

00:00:39.480 We've got a great cold open.

00:00:40.520 Let's go ahead and hit it.

00:00:41.960 You know, I always watch and see who buys the New York Post because it tells me that people want an alternative to people like you or me.

00:00:52.060 They want an alternative.

00:00:53.200 They want the Trumpian view.

00:00:55.420 And maybe they want to expose themselves to the Trumpian view.

00:00:57.940 So they can expose the weaknesses they've got.

00:01:03.660 But also, to be honest with you, the country is moving towards Trump.

00:01:08.240 I mean, these polls that come out and show him not doing well, I don't buy that.

00:01:12.580 I think his strength is still greater than the Democratic strength.

00:01:17.480 He is a stronger public figure than the Democratic people.

00:01:22.780 I mean, Obama still has tremendous charisma, but Trump has strength.

00:01:27.660 And I think that's what all voters look for.

00:01:30.140 But they want a president who is a strong figure.

00:01:33.880 And he's got it.

00:01:35.780 And he can—it's just there.

00:01:37.780 And half the country buys it.

00:01:40.160 That's what I think.

00:01:40.840 Do you think he'll go for a third term?

00:01:43.400 No, the Constitution won't permit it.

00:01:45.400 On this deal, the European Union, this is a big win for the U.S.

00:01:49.360 And if you look at where this was three, four weeks ago, you could see that there was a lot of hardball towards the end there.

00:01:57.400 It is a triumph of a lot of things.

00:01:59.160 Certainly the president ought to take a victory lap.

00:02:01.300 I think it ends up being good for the European Union.

00:02:05.280 It's a blow against the conventional wisdom, which, of course, in the last quarter saw a lot of this as disastrous.

00:02:11.600 The markets see the fact of the deal and the ratification of trade and the expansion of trade as the most important thing, number one.

00:02:20.460 Number two, I think there's a situation here where, as you've alluded to in your questioning with Tyler, that the geopolitical element of this also remains front and center,

00:02:32.120 whether we're talking about the continued interdependence of the U.S. and European Union economies or whether we're talking about investments in the United States and purchases of military equipment.

00:02:43.020 And you're seeing a you're seeing a tightening of the alliance.

00:02:46.720 And I think, frankly, an attempt by both parties to to push back a bit against against China.

00:02:53.680 But the weaponization of intelligence agencies to pull that off brings on an entirely different problem.

00:03:03.160 And if the Democrats are found to have been guilty of this.

00:03:08.340 really creating this story.

00:03:15.100 That's not good.

00:03:17.560 Because you have a whole bunch of people skeptical about politics to begin with.

00:03:21.460 And you've got to remember, Trump was in or is in office because he's considered the anti-politician.

00:03:26.760 His behavior, his mannerisms, his language, his verbiage, his actions to some degree are very apolitical.

00:03:34.920 It's not typically what you see from conventional politicians on Capitol Hill.

00:03:39.240 And then when you think about how they went after him and they engaged in lawfare to take him down, the 34 felony counts and convictions and all of this other stuff,

00:03:47.300 they're going to say, see, see, he wasn't guilty of any of this stuff.

00:03:50.480 They did everything they could to derail him from being the president because the mission was to to keep him from getting back into the White House.

00:03:58.280 It wasn't that he did this or did that.

00:04:00.320 They're going to say it's all a hoax.

00:04:02.980 They're going to bring up the Hunter Biden scandal with the whole laptop controversy.

00:04:06.900 And they're going to say from 2016 to 2020 to 2024, each and every single time they were lying.

00:04:15.300 And they were engaging in unsavory style behavior.

00:04:19.600 That adds credence to the argument that we've been making against them.

00:04:24.460 There's no truth to any of this stuff.

00:04:26.140 They just wanted to derail the presidency.

00:04:29.020 A number 45.

00:04:30.060 And they wanted to, they wanted to big up Biden.

00:04:37.280 And they're going to point out how when he was on stage, as one pundit said, looking like an elderly individual in a nursing home waiting for his applesauce.

00:04:47.140 But they were talking about him like he was lucid and cogent and alert and all of this other stuff.

00:04:52.940 They're going to point that out.

00:04:57.840 See Jim Jordan on the air the other night?

00:05:01.000 You see these reporters?

00:05:02.340 I mean, they're not playing.

00:05:06.680 This is not going away.

00:05:08.620 I remember I, along with probably most people, were saying at the beginning, oh, you know, by the 4th of July, somebody had to think of how the country was, the economy was going to be tanked by then.

00:05:21.060 And I was kind of like, well, that seems right to me, but that didn't happen.

00:05:27.900 Now, it could happen tomorrow.

00:05:29.780 I'm just saying that's reality.

00:05:32.580 So let's work first from the reality of that, not from I just hate Donald Trump.

00:05:37.620 Because that's boring and doesn't get us anywhere and leads you to dishonesty.

00:05:42.340 Because the truth is, I don't know what his strategy is.

00:05:45.740 But look, the stock market is at record highs.

00:05:49.080 I know not everybody lives by the stock market, but I also drive around.

00:05:52.900 I don't see a country in a depression at all.

00:05:55.940 I see people out there just living their lives.

00:05:59.340 And I would have thought, and I got to own it, that these tariffs were going to sink this economy by this time.

00:06:09.540 And they didn't.

00:06:11.060 So, you know, how do we deal with that fact?

00:06:15.280 Because that's the fact.

00:06:16.080 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:06:23.400 Pray for our enemies.

00:06:25.260 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:06:28.560 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:06:32.820 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:06:34.720 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:06:35.900 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:06:38.840 It's going to happen.

00:06:40.120 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:06:43.520 MAGA media.

00:06:44.860 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:06:50.260 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:06:54.060 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:00.260 It's Monday, 28 July, Year of the Lord, 2025.

00:07:10.360 On the economic side, President Trump, as we have said from Liberation Day and for years and years and years before then,

00:07:18.100 about trade, protectionism, tariffs, all of it, really starting to get some momentum here and close big deals,

00:07:26.280 fill up the Treasury's coffers with tariff money and start to see investments and people bringing back high-value added manufacturing jobs here.

00:07:34.040 So that's the economic part.

00:07:36.140 Then you have a finance part.

00:07:38.160 And breaking news today from federal courts about the Federal Reserve.

00:07:41.740 James Fishback joins us.

00:07:43.540 When we left you, I think, on Thursday, James, Friday, you were getting ready to go to court.

00:07:49.040 On Monday, you went to court.

00:07:51.180 Give us some breaking news, sir.

00:07:53.520 Good afternoon, Steve.

00:07:55.300 We just learned that Obama Judge Beryl Howell has not granted our temporary restraining order to force open tomorrow's Federal Reserve meeting.

00:08:04.800 We did get two huge wins.

00:08:06.820 The Federal Reserve asked to dismiss our case.

00:08:09.580 That was swiftly denied, denied by a judge who was appointed by President Obama.

00:08:13.540 So we were thankful for that.

00:08:15.360 And the second win, and I couldn't even believe this, Steve, that it happened.

00:08:19.240 But the Federal Reserve revealed something in open court that we didn't even know about.

00:08:24.520 That, legally speaking, tomorrow's Federal Reserve meeting is actually a joint meeting of two separate legal entities.

00:08:32.540 The first of which is the Federal Open Market Committee, the FOMC, Steve.

00:08:37.880 That sets the interest rates in the entire economy.

00:08:40.800 The second entity is the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve.

00:08:44.720 Now, why does that matter?

00:08:45.900 Why does it matter, this joint meeting?

00:08:47.640 Because the Board of Governors, their lawyers conceded in federal court today,

00:08:51.320 is actually subject to the transparency mandates of public observation from the Sunshine Act.

00:08:58.260 And so when you have a joint meeting between an entity like the Board of Governors that is subject

00:09:04.480 and an entity that is not subject, the FOMC, the entire meeting becomes subject to the Sunshine Act.

00:09:12.100 I looked to our counsel at our table in the court today, and we just could not believe that the Federal Reserve admitted that in an open court,

00:09:21.720 something that we were not even privy to, that these meetings are being held as joint meetings,

00:09:26.320 which mean they are absolutely subject to the transparency disclosures of the Sunshine Act.

00:09:32.040 Steve, you and the War Room audience knows this well.

00:09:35.240 The Federal Reserve is among the most powerful economic institutions in the country.

00:09:39.340 And without a doubt, it is the least transparent and least accountable.

00:09:43.560 We are changing that.

00:09:44.920 Today was a win for our fight.

00:09:46.580 We had no illusions about how easy this would be.

00:09:49.160 But we're not going to end the Fed in one day.

00:09:51.640 And I'm grateful for our attorneys and our entire team at Azoria for the win that we had today in court.

00:09:57.420 James, I would actually argue it's probably one of the most powerful in the world, maybe the most powerful.

00:10:02.120 But I want to just pull the camera back for a second on the case itself.

00:10:05.320 If you went in for a Hail Mary, a TRO to stop tomorrow or to make it transparent, you said she did not dismiss the case, which is what the Fed really wanted.

00:10:15.460 Walk through what actually is your case.

00:10:17.460 What is your beef?

00:10:18.620 What are you trying to put forward to the federal courts that you want to achieve for the American people, sir?

00:10:24.240 Absolutely.

00:10:25.940 Well, as you know, Steve, getting a TRO, a temporary restraining order against the federal government, is very, very hard.

00:10:32.880 Unless, of course, you're an illegal immigrant suing President Trump to stay in our country and to steal more from us. 1.00

00:10:38.520 Right.

00:10:38.960 It's very hard to do that, to hold the government accountable.

00:10:41.620 But our case, Steve, is premised on a very simple theory.

00:10:44.380 In 1976, Republicans and Democrats got together and passed something called the Government and the Sunshine Act, that recognizing the best way to bring accountability to our government is to illuminate the public acts of public men so we could all see what's going on.

00:10:58.780 For the past 50 years, the Federal Reserve has decided not to adhere to the Sunshine Act.

00:11:03.200 That means that the public, whether you're Republican or Democrat, could not observe the Federal Reserve's proceedings.

00:11:08.920 They could not truly know why the Fed was doing what it's doing.

00:11:12.160 One decision, for example, is why on earth the Federal Reserve is keeping interest rates and in turn mortgage rates near a quarter century high, despite the fact that President Trump is delivering the lowest inflation in four years on top of trade deals that are delivering for American workers and businesses.

00:11:29.960 On top of the fact that for the past five months, headline core inflation, headline CPI inflation, rather, has come in better than expected, lower than expected.

00:11:38.420 And so none of it makes any sense.

00:11:39.540 The problem is that we can't understand why the Federal Reserve is making its decisions because unlike the FTC or the FCC, the Federal Reserve is not listening to federal law and holding its meetings to public observation.

00:11:50.960 You cannot criticize the federal government if you don't know what the federal government is actually up to.

00:11:55.200 And so our ability to redress our grievances to the Federal Reserve and point out, I believe, their obvious attempts to undermine President Trump and the 80 million of us who supported him in the last election, that that is in itself an egregious violation of federal law.

00:12:08.460 We cannot change course for the Fed and get them to bring down interest rates if we don't know what's actually going on behind the curtain.

00:12:15.740 And so today was a TRO attempt to block tomorrow's meeting from being in secret.

00:12:19.640 The judge did not grant that attempt, but also the judge did not allow the Fed to dismiss their case.

00:12:25.640 That was swiftly shut down from a judge of all people appointed by President Barack Obama.

00:12:30.820 And so I'm grateful for our hearing today.

00:12:34.400 And let's see what happens.

00:12:35.900 But we are very quickly reviewing our options because we've got something here with this admission from the Federal Reserve's own lawyer that tomorrow and Wednesday's Fed meeting is actually a joint meeting between that and an entity that would be covered by the Sunshine Act, which would force it to be open to public observation.

00:12:51.900 And in turn, public criticism, no government institution is beyond reproach.

00:12:57.260 And that's what we stand for at Azoria.

00:12:58.480 James, we've got a minute or two here, and I'd like to just keep you over for a minute maybe on this answer.

00:13:05.080 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:13:06.200 Didn't the government argue, or not the government, the Federal Reserve argued in trying to combat the TRO that your request to have this open and have transparency and have the American people view it will be detrimental to the task, the underlying task of the Federal Reserve?

00:13:24.220 They argued that it would cause, quote, irreparable harm to our nation's economy.

00:13:28.040 End quote.

00:13:29.420 Irreparable harm, Steve.

00:13:30.720 The only irreparable harm that's being caused by any of this is Jerome Powell's Federal Reserve trying to use his awesome position to undermine the duly elected president of the United States.

00:13:40.880 The only irreparable harm is keeping interest rates and mortgage rates by extension near 25-year highs, denying hundreds of thousands of Americans every single month their ability to buy a home.

00:13:50.980 Steve, if you can't buy a home because you can't get a mortgage, you can't start or grow your family.

00:13:56.100 What the Federal Reserve is doing is literally anti-American because it's stopping millions of our citizens from starting or growing their families because they can't get a mortgage.

00:14:04.820 And as a result of that, they cannot get a home.

00:14:08.160 And so this is about bringing real accountability.

00:14:10.300 We did that first with our anti-DEI ETF, SPXM.

00:14:14.180 We are doing that today with Azoria v. Powell.

00:14:16.740 It is the first step in a battle.

00:14:19.640 Steve, I got to tell you the truth.

00:14:21.040 Your motivation, your words keep us motivated in this fight.

00:14:26.160 The war room audience keeps us motivated in this fight.

00:14:28.880 It won't be easy, but I believe we will prevail and bring real accountability to this institution that has failed Americans for too long.

00:14:36.160 James, social media, where do people keep up with you, sir?

00:14:39.580 James Fishback, J underscore Fishback at X.

00:14:42.820 And you can go to investazoria.com to learn more about our anti-DEI ETF.

00:14:47.520 The ticker there, Steve, is SPXM.

00:14:51.040 Thank you, brother.

00:14:52.280 Great job today in court.

00:14:53.980 Short commercial break.

00:14:55.520 Back in the war room in just a moment.

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00:16:57.280 Don't Democrats, though, have to secure their base before they can secure the major election in the entire country?

00:17:02.720 They do, but this is a significant change from eight years ago.

00:17:07.640 The way the Democrats, broadly speaking, viewed Donald Trump eight years ago was that he was an aberration, that the way Joe Biden talked about, frankly, is that you beat him in 2020 and the Trump legacy is going to be erased.

00:17:19.920 His style of politics is going to vanish.

00:17:21.620 Republicans are going to have a fever break, as Barack Obama said, for quite a while, and the country will change.

00:17:27.540 And they no longer think that.

00:17:28.980 And they're not having a press conference saying we don't think the same, or you're seeing it in these sorts of actions where there are tactics they admit Donald Trump uses very well that are not going to voters and showing them a chart that proves the Democrats are correct, that are grabbing attention, that are being insulting, that are being mean.

00:17:44.600 I mean, I'd recommend reading that whole profile and everything else that Lane Godfrey writes, but some of what Crockett has done has been insulting in ways that Democrats usually apologize for, like calling Governor Abbott in Texas Governor Hot Wheels, and she didn't apologize.

00:17:59.120 She kind of explained that she wasn't talking about his disability.

00:18:02.780 But that is the sort of attitude the Democrats used to say.

00:18:05.900 That's not us.

00:18:06.560 That's Trump.

00:18:07.080 We are a different party.

00:18:08.060 Because they lost the last election to Trump, they don't have the confidence anymore that they're in.

00:18:12.720 Their style of politics is, one, going to win, and two, effective.

00:18:18.800 That is slowly changing how they operate.

00:18:23.020 You have a couple things going on here.

00:18:24.860 Number one, they are reaching all-time lows as far as the party goes in polling from the American people, I think in the mid to low 30s.

00:18:34.360 So they're in a ditch.

00:18:36.320 They're in a hole.

00:18:36.820 However, they do have, like, Mandami in New York, and that's not really, that's this new, even more radical, if you can believe it or not, even more radical than Obama, or kind of the offsprings of Obama and Obama's tenure.

00:18:53.040 You now have, you know, what I call the red-green merger.

00:18:58.260 Marxism, neo-Marxism with radical jihad.

00:19:00.920 And you're seeing this sprout up all over.

00:19:02.800 Other candidates are coming up.

00:19:03.980 That's where they've got some momentum, and that's where they've got some heat, not to get majorities, but in these areas like in New York City, where he's running against a couple of candidates.

00:19:12.060 This guy can, you know, win with 40 percent or 44, 45 percent.

00:19:16.000 At the same time, I think they're poised for a big win in Texas unless somebody gets their act together.

00:19:25.500 I spent the afternoon with different people in Texas on this very problem, in that with the Democrats being shattered because they now realize that the MAGA movement is here to stay and only going to grow and get bigger.

00:19:41.920 That's why President Trump's our leader, and one of the reasons I support President Trump for 28, and I think there's many different ways you can do that, is that this is a reformulation of American politics.

00:19:53.680 Like 1932 and the coalition we're putting together is very broad and very deep.

00:19:58.360 But they need a victory, and I think they're going to see a victory down in Texas and people in Texas at the senior levels.

00:20:06.960 And I'm talking Abbott and Patrick, and let's be blunt about these guys.

00:20:11.080 On two big issues down in Texas, number one, the impeachment of General Paxton, Attorney General Paxton, they were very weak until the war room and other grassroots organizations got together and had a firestorm after the House impeached him.

00:20:27.600 This is in the Senate trial.

00:20:29.440 And even then, Lieutenant Governor Patrick was kind of trying to play both sides against the middle or trying to have it both ways until we created, helped create a firestorm with other folks.

00:20:37.760 And, of course, he was impeached, but he was not removed from office.

00:20:42.840 And now he's up, I don't know, 20 points in a Senate race in the early days of it and raising a ton of money for the United States Senate against a rhino, one of the hardest rhino incumbents, Cornyn. 0.82

00:20:55.640 The other was the border.

00:20:57.760 I mean, everything Abbott did was just purely performative, even that.

00:21:01.780 We would have Todd Benzman on here.

00:21:03.060 Remember, they'd be down there and taking the barbed wire down that we were trying to get up.

00:21:07.480 They they they that local sheriffs and local people were putting up.

00:21:11.820 The state of Texas state authorities were horrific until we put the spotlight on because neither Abbott or Patrick can take the heat.

00:21:19.760 You put the you put the spotlight on them, they're going to heave to this situation in, you know, and I think President Trump and other people associated with it are kind of banking these five seats.

00:21:31.520 They're counting on these five seats.

00:21:32.960 This is one of the reasons DeSantis jumped in here.

00:21:36.400 DeSantis said, hey, this is politically, you know, Abbott could be a competitor of mine if he gets those five seats or when he gets those five seats.

00:21:42.940 I better be there, too.

00:21:44.920 He's up.

00:21:45.540 You know, he's come forward with five seats for redistricting.

00:21:48.760 And now there's talk in commerce and other places that, hey, maybe we just do a mid a mid decade, a mid decade census because you can do it.

00:22:00.060 Doesn't say you can't do we just have to do one every 10 years.

00:22:02.840 You go back and do another one in 2030.

00:22:06.620 Now, that won't help for 26.

00:22:08.180 I think that would be too late.

00:22:09.380 You need these redistrictings.

00:22:10.780 And the Democrats smell blood.

00:22:13.020 If you put the tweet up during these meetings, I was having a reporter down in Texas actually tweeted out.

00:22:21.400 And I don't think we followed up.

00:22:22.420 We haven't tracked down the news story, just the tweet that Hakeem Jeffries is going to go and be in Austin on Wednesday.

00:22:29.260 This past week, it's a four week special session and they have all kinds of stuff to do.

00:22:34.340 And they're in some bizarro fight on hemp and THC.

00:22:37.940 And is the beer lobby supporting this because you're going to get liquid to you?

00:22:41.620 Hey, that's that's just like vested interest with Patrick and Abbott.

00:22:46.140 And Abbott's got one group of guys and another guy's got the beer guys. 0.99

00:22:49.420 That's all crap. 0.99

00:22:50.880 OK, that's all crap. 1.00

00:22:51.800 You've got the country on the line right here. 0.99

00:22:54.200 They have other big issues in Texas, too, like property taxes, etc.

00:22:57.180 But the country's on the line on this thing.

00:22:59.260 And there's got to be some focus.

00:23:00.940 I mean, senior level focus.

00:23:03.300 And Hakeem Jeffries going in there.

00:23:04.680 Chris, they smell blood the very first week.

00:23:07.200 They've turned this over to radical Democrats, which I know your head's blowing up.

00:23:10.860 How could you have radical Democrats down in Texas?

00:23:13.460 But you've got a lot of them.

00:23:14.380 And I'm talking from the Crockett school and farther left, the Mandami school. 0.65

00:23:19.660 And you've got folks down there.

00:23:21.100 They're smelling blood.

00:23:21.960 And that's why Hakeem Jeffries, Hakeem Jeffries is not going down to help their cause.

00:23:26.600 Hakeem Jeffries is going to go down to take credit for a scalp.

00:23:29.940 Because he's a brother that needs some help right now because he's taking incoming all over.

00:23:34.600 But, hey, you don't really.

00:23:36.140 The part of the party you represent is all the D.C., New York branch.

00:23:39.620 And you guys are stiffs.

00:23:41.220 And we need the Mandamis.

00:23:43.460 We need the Crockett's.

00:23:44.880 You just heard Dave Weigel right there.

00:23:46.400 Dave Weigel has been following the MAGA movement or the predecessor to that, the Tea Party movement,

00:23:51.880 with Andrew Breitbart and everybody, I don't know, for 10, 12, 14 years.

00:23:57.200 And he can see it right there.

00:23:58.420 Hakeem Jeffries.

00:23:59.240 Now, we haven't seen a follow-on news report.

00:24:02.300 But there's something going on big in Texas.

00:24:03.880 These Democrats, last week they had, somebody told me they had 100 witnesses, constitutional demographic.

00:24:09.520 And what are they doing?

00:24:10.980 They're calling the Texas legislature and people want to see this. 0.84

00:24:15.020 Oh, they're racist. 0.92

00:24:15.740 They're nativists. 1.00

00:24:16.820 They're all Trump.

00:24:17.500 You can't rest on your laurels.

00:24:19.320 One of the things about this process of history, it's active every day.

00:24:24.600 Something's happening every day.

00:24:26.120 If you want to get involved in this and say, hey, it's too much, didn't we win?

00:24:33.200 A win is only another point on the board to go forward to another part of the process.

00:24:38.860 Yes, President Trump won by 14 points in November.

00:24:42.220 It was monumental.

00:24:43.220 It was historic.

00:24:43.960 It was fantastic.

00:24:45.400 But you got the soarest kid, the punk, right?

00:24:50.200 Uma Abedin's significant other.

00:24:53.300 I think he's committed another couple hundred million dollars to go back into Texas.

00:24:57.140 And they've done some smart analysis.

00:24:59.100 Number one, they see there's an establishment down there that's basically the Bush faction,

00:25:05.600 the same thing we fought at the border, the same thing we fought in the impeachment, are not Trump people.

00:25:13.200 And they're sitting there going, oh, if they're going to cause racism, nativists, maybe we shouldn't do it.

00:25:17.100 Well, hey, the reason you won by 14 points, Hispanic citizens, 1.00

00:25:20.600 Hispanic American citizens are the ones that have your back.

00:25:25.000 This is why more than ever we should be there trying to use any tool you can to properly represent the people.

00:25:34.340 In my sense, they haven't put the maps out.

00:25:35.780 I heard the maps are coming Saturday and they could have a vote as early as next Tuesday,

00:25:39.800 which would be in the beginning of the third week of this.

00:25:43.160 Regardless, we've got to see some maps.

00:25:44.740 Now, I've already seen a proposed map or a first cover map from Ron DeSantis.

00:25:48.640 And, hey, the DeSantis are what they're talking about in Florida.

00:25:51.340 Man, they get rid of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a whole Moskovitz and a whole bunch of them, right?

00:25:58.380 Because the demographics have changed.

00:26:00.340 The country's going through a rapid change from the pandemic.

00:26:04.140 People are looking for freedom.

00:26:05.340 People are looking for opportunities.

00:26:06.620 Now, big tech is making investments in other places.

00:26:10.600 And, yes, it's drawn a lot of liberals and a lot of, as we say in Virginia, Yankees. 0.93

00:26:15.080 But you've got a ton of good folks moving to these places.

00:26:18.720 So I'm fully supportive of a mid-decade census right now.

00:26:24.620 That being said, you have in Florida, Missouri, Ohio, and Texas, I think 12 to 14 seats may be available.

00:26:33.140 And that might be the difference.

00:26:34.280 In Texas alone, maybe the difference in President Trump, they're trying to impeach him.

00:26:38.040 Hakeem Jeffries ain't going down there for his looks, okay?

00:26:40.500 He's going down there to, one, put the shoulder to a wheel, but also to make sure he gets credit for this, they smell blood.

00:26:47.800 This is just like up here I said today, I broke it today, that you can tell what the Senate's going to do.

00:26:52.220 The Senate's going to drop a big, oh, they're pretending right now, go home in the next couple of days and come back and drop a massive omnibus bill that the Republican senators have worked with the Democrats, 0.94

00:27:02.620 and they're going to put it out in the third week of September and say, suck on this.

00:27:06.300 We don't have the appropriations done. 0.83

00:27:07.660 President Trump is on a roll, don't want to shut down his government.

00:27:10.420 So this is what we've got to keep the government open.

00:27:12.580 At the same time, no rescissions.

00:27:14.700 You heard today, I put up today early from the Hill.

00:27:17.400 Oh, they're afraid of pocket rescissions.

00:27:20.980 Why?

00:27:21.340 Because it cuts spending, and they don't want to, you know, they don't want to intimidate the Democrats.

00:27:25.220 Well, hey, we either run this deal or we don't.

00:27:28.720 Also, they're taking off.

00:27:29.740 We just this afternoon got the first federal judge, I think, confirm, Emma Bovee, in the next 24, 48 hours.

00:27:37.200 But these guys are taking off.

00:27:38.640 Mike Lee sat there and said, hey, we need 100 and I think 35 people confirmed.

00:27:43.140 They've got to stay here.

00:27:43.840 Do they do that?

00:27:44.460 My point is Johnson and Thune got to quit playing games and we have to have a real recess.

00:27:51.320 And let's have some recess appointments.

00:27:53.520 That gives us a year, a mass, mass confirmations, right?

00:27:56.760 Or at least appointments that take a year and then you can work through the system.

00:28:00.960 President Trump needs his team.

00:28:03.640 Look at the work they're doing with really, as they say, let's use the saying, the Civil War, you're going into battle with one boot on.

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00:29:44.620 Look, our audience knows this thanks to you and thanks to Devin Nunes.

00:29:50.240 Our audience is well aware of what took place here, but we want to see accountability.

00:29:55.460 Many of the statute of limitations have expired.

00:29:59.580 It's been almost 10 years for many of these folks who did this.

00:30:03.820 But John Brennan testified to Congress, and so did Hillary Clinton, within five years.

00:30:09.260 I think it was in 2020 and then again in 2021.

00:30:12.380 Are those statute of limitations still alive?

00:30:17.620 Tell me if, in fact, we could see a criminal prosecution here, as you just the other day,

00:30:23.900 three weeks ago, have in fact referred criminal referrals to the DOJ.

00:30:31.460 Well, Maria, so part of what came out last week was about how John Brennan, Clapper, Comey,

00:30:37.440 they all pushed the known fake Steele dossier into intelligence community assessments and

00:30:42.600 as the basis for Crossfire Hurricane and all that.

00:30:45.660 But what hasn't come out yet and what's going to come out is the underlying intelligence that

00:30:52.220 I have spent the last few months making recommendations about final declassification and sent that

00:30:59.020 to the Department of Justice that will come out in the John Durham report classified annex.

00:31:04.460 And what that intelligence shows, Maria, is that part of this was a Hillary Clinton plan,

00:31:09.480 but part of it was an FBI plan to be an accelerant to that fake Steele dossier,

00:31:16.140 to those fake Russia collusion claims by pouring oil on the fire, by amplifying the lie

00:31:22.960 and bearing the truth of what Hillary Clinton was up to. And you're right, Maria. John Brennan

00:31:30.940 testified to John Durham in August of 2020. He also testified to the House Oversight Committee in

00:31:37.080 2022. Hillary Clinton testified before John Durham under oath in 2022. James Comey testified before the

00:31:45.000 Senate Committee in September 2020. All of that's within the last five years. And much of that

00:31:50.540 testimony is, frankly, completely inconsistent with what our underlying intelligence that is about

00:31:56.440 to be declassified in the Durham annex, what that reflects. And so, you know, Pam Bondi does have a

00:32:04.260 strike force. It is a different Department of Justice, a different FBI and an opportunity to look at how

00:32:10.760 these people really did conspire to run a hoax, a fraud on the American people and against Donald Trump's

00:32:19.320 presidency. And so coming forward, we understand that they did this, but now we need to understand

00:32:24.920 how they did this. And I think that's why you see the left losing their minds over this, Maria,

00:32:30.440 saying, why are you spending time? This is vindictive. You're going back. This is Donald Trump,

00:32:34.700 you know, seeking retribution. It's not. Donald Trump's election by the American people was a

00:32:40.100 statement, Maria. They said to everyone, we know what you did to Donald Trump and we reelected him

00:32:48.100 because we know this was all fake. We know it was a hoax. Now we want to understand how you did it so

00:32:53.680 that it can't happen again. And that's what this declassification process that we're undergoing right

00:32:59.460 now, what's going on, why it's so important and why there can be accountability and preventability

00:33:05.880 to prevent these same people that did it in 2016 with the with the steel dossier, with the Hunter Biden

00:33:11.840 laptop in 2020 from doing it again in the future. Accountability and preventability. That's John

00:33:19.140 Radcliffe right there. He also, one of the many buried leads there was he he reconfirmed that there

00:33:25.200 is a strike force at DOJ and the FBI now being put together under Pam Bondi to make sure we get from

00:33:30.880 the information and the raw data to the to the perp walks to the diamonds. Eric Prince joins us.

00:33:37.400 Eric, and you, Eric, you were a big target of this. In fact, I got to tell a funny story to start off.

00:33:42.620 Eric, you're overseas somewhere. You're flying back. They tell you got to go to the house

00:33:47.020 intel down in the skiff. And, you know, most of us got these lawyers and we're like spending days

00:33:52.780 and weeks going through everything. So we make sure that because they're going to try to get us

00:33:55.780 some perjury traps. Eric Prince comes in. And this is when Paul Ryan took Nunez off and basically

00:34:05.820 took Cash and Derek Harvey, who were the two senior staff guys off, and let Trey Gowdy run it,

00:34:11.480 who basically turned it over to Shifty Shift and Eric Swalwell. So it was a star chamber.

00:34:16.960 Prince just shows up, gets off the plane, says, oh, they wanted to tell him. I said,

00:34:21.240 well, you could delay that week. No, no, I'm just going to go over. You go over by yourself

00:34:24.860 and you get grilled for like, I don't know, nine hours. And they were none the wiser. Eric,

00:34:29.600 they targeted you. How big a deal is this going after? And Steve, that was after 14 hours of flying

00:34:37.460 coach back from the Middle East. So anyway. Unbelievable. Well, talk about that for a second. 0.99

00:34:45.540 You were targeted. Of course, General Flynn was targeted. I was targeted. There were tons of

00:34:49.780 people targeted. They were coming for the president. Today, this is just not about perjury. These guys

00:34:55.900 perjuring themselves. This gets to the core of the deep state and how they essentially tried a coup

00:35:00.640 d'etat against President Trump in his first terms, sir. The whole Mueller investigation,

00:35:09.220 it was such a weaponization of the security apparatus because the story they were trying

00:35:16.800 to create, it was that I was there in the Seychelles creating a back channel to the Russians

00:35:23.920 somehow to affect the 2016 election. But they ignore the fact that that meeting happened in

00:35:30.660 January when Trump had already been elected. And the fact that they leaked four months later,

00:35:39.920 all the intercepts, the illegal weaponization of the intelligence apparatus is, it's really

00:35:50.520 disgusting. And there needs to be accountability because that's how a Stasi gets built. And that's

00:35:56.520 the kind of stuff that kicks off a revolution because eventually people are not going to take

00:35:59.800 that kind of abuse. So yes, there has to be accountability. And good on Tulsi for sticking

00:36:07.140 her head above the parapet and saying, this is wrong and we're going to show that it's wrong.

00:36:12.640 My concern about the DCI, about Ratcliffe is where is the wholesale firing of the tens of thousands

00:36:21.200 of extraneous nonsense employees at the CIA? That is the fastest organization that should be,

00:36:28.780 can be reformed in Washington because civil service rules don't apply. You could correct many of the

00:36:35.200 wrongs of that place in a weekend by firing lots and lots of people.

00:36:39.560 Let's go to that because the CIA is, and of course, Ratcliffe there was throwing the FBI,

00:36:45.900 essentially he's throwing the FBI under the bus. So they want to put up kind of a smokescreen here.

00:36:51.980 But let's go to that. The CIA was central, Brennan central, and people should know because it's an

00:36:57.040 ongoing conspiracy. All this thing about statute of limitations and you're going back years,

00:37:02.120 it's active and involved today. What would be the Eric Prince plan? If you want to start

00:37:07.340 taking apart the deep state, where would you start, Eric, and how would you start?

00:37:13.600 Well, there's such corruption and incompetence that is covered, cloaked in overclassification.

00:37:21.760 Tulsi Gabbard is right to declassify millions and millions of documents on this and let the bright

00:37:29.180 light of truth disinfect the nonsense. Second, you have the same amount of actual case officers now

00:37:40.220 as we did in the early 80s. But the fact is the administrative support staff and the analysts

00:37:45.660 and all the other bodies that have made the intelligence community so obese, that's gone up

00:37:53.000 like six or eightfold. Cut. I would cut that so severely people would be shocked. So yeah, you

00:38:00.160 could take a you could do a 60-70 percent headcount reduction in the CIA in a very short term and the

00:38:07.300 place would be much better for it because you'd actually have people that are focused on collecting

00:38:11.240 intelligence, not process.

00:38:13.180 Yeah, it's not. Well, one of the reasons it's bigger is what their focus on collecting is here

00:38:19.860 in the United States. They're like the Praetorian Guard. I mean, when you have this, what they call

00:38:23.800 the interagency process where you have the people seconded from all the different, you know, and you

00:38:29.300 had to go up against the Afghan thing, which I'll talk about in a minute. You have all the NSC, which

00:38:34.060 you know, is 250, 290. Now, President Trump's cut it by at least a third. He's going to go for two

00:38:39.000 in the Biden era. In the Biden era, the NSC had gotten up to like 800 people. It's insanity.

00:38:47.380 The NSC should be 150 people. Cut the whole thing down to size and we'll actually have a more

00:38:54.580 responsive, effective, accountable government. When you give so many bureaucrats, when you give so

00:39:04.540 many bureaucrats, so much power, and so little accountability, what they say, you know, the old

00:39:10.860 saying, an idle mind is a devil's workshop. You've allowed people that are not mission focused

00:39:19.740 to be focused on weaponizing their political, using the whole apparatus as a weapon against

00:39:25.700 their political opponents. That's exactly what we're going through right now.

00:39:28.680 Isn't that what they've done? I mean, isn't the growth in the CIA is for running the

00:39:34.800 interagency process and making sure you have CIA affiliated people at the Pentagon, at the

00:39:41.040 FBI, at the Justice Department. They can say DNI has 17 or 18 and the CIA is one of them, but

00:39:46.680 the CIA, it's the CIA, the Federal Reserve and CENCOM are the three most powerful institutions

00:39:53.900 in this city. Do you agree with that, sir? Certainly, the CIA has the unique authorities

00:40:01.320 that it should be, look, the CIA, we need actually a healthy, robust, clever intelligence apparatus,

00:40:11.100 and we don't. We have, it's like The Office, that sitcom, and because you've hired so many

00:40:19.500 unserious people into the process, and I just plead with the CIA leadership, please cut that

00:40:26.680 place down to size, save the money, and spend it on actually collecting intelligence, because

00:40:33.720 if you don't come at the intelligence, if you don't come at the intelligence business with

00:40:37.260 a bit of a criminal mindset, because you're inducing someone from the other side to sell

00:40:43.260 out their friends or to sell out their country, if you don't come with that attitude, you're in

00:40:46.540 the wrong business. And the kind of covert action that we should be doing against the Chinese 1.00

00:40:52.840 Communist Party should keep them on their back heels so that DOD doesn't have to worry as much 0.96

00:41:01.140 about a war starting. But instead, we have this apparatus that's come to behave more like a Stasi

00:41:07.460 between an unaccountable CIA and an unaccountable FBI. I feel badly for Kash Patel and Dan Bongino

00:41:16.620 trying to wrangle the FBI into compliance with actually the Constitution because of all the

00:41:24.280 civil service rules that protect FBI agents. The CIA, however, doesn't have those civil service

00:41:31.320 protections that is a byproduct of the original 1947 Intelligence Act intentionally to

00:41:37.440 keep it a lean, responsive, capable organization, but it has become the opposite.

00:41:44.080 What would you tell, we've got a minute here on this side of the break, what would you tell

00:41:46.920 Ratcliffe today he should do?

00:41:50.280 Fire the bottom 40% of the people and unload most of the contracted positions as well.

00:41:57.340 Start, the fact is, during COVID, when only 20% of the building was showing up, the net collection

00:42:04.320 and quality of intelligence went up substantially. What does that tell you? You have way, way, way too

00:42:10.940 many bodies, way too many people with clearances. It's just way too much nonsense. And that's why 0.68

00:42:17.040 any actual good intelligence also gets leaked because there's just too many people that are in that circle

00:42:22.920 of knowledge. You mentioned that they had given your, I want the answer on the other side. We're

00:42:29.360 going to go to commercial break, but you mentioned that four months after the fact they leaked the

00:42:32.960 intercepts, they had, they were, I guess, illegally taking on you. They leaked the intercepts to the

00:42:39.100 media. To me, in this entire process of breaking the deep state, we've got to go after the Langley

00:42:45.700 Bugle, which is what we call the Washington Post here. The David Ignatius is of the world. The CIA has

00:42:51.500 many, many media partners that are even deeper than what you saw, you know, going, you know, the FBI going

00:42:57.300 to Twitter. I mean, these are people essentially on the payroll. They're basically CIA assets in the

00:43:03.040 mainstream media that are there to like suppress things on, I don't know, the Warren Commission, everything

00:43:08.520 the CIA has been up to. Eric Prince is going to be on the other side. He's been a target of this for years.

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00:44:58.120 So, Eric, I'm going to get back to the deep state in a second, and maybe we'll do that at the top of

00:45:05.740 the hour. Eric's going to stick around with us for at least part of the second hour. Eric, the

00:45:09.900 Financial Times today broke an exclusive story that the president of Taiwan was going to stop in JFK

00:45:17.400 and, I guess, switch planes, have a stayover. And the United States had canceled that. That's something

00:45:22.100 we've been allowing the Taiwanese presidents to do, whether they're going to Latin America and stopping

00:45:27.120 in Houston or in Dallas, DFW, or in Kennedy, if they're going to Europe. But then moments ago,

00:45:34.160 there was a leak of a senior official saying, hey, we're trying to work something out that's not

00:45:38.720 100% correct. And you're going to see something that's going to be, I guess, very positive in this

00:45:43.860 regard. President Trump has alluded to the fact that he's got Besant over in Sweden right now,

00:45:52.860 negotiating with the Chinese Communist Party for a couple of days, and they wanted to keep things

00:45:58.360 on track. Your thoughts, sir? Everything the Chinese do is all about slicing the sausage, 1.00

00:46:06.280 all about advancing their purpose by the inch, by the yard, whether it's building islands in the South 0.60

00:46:12.040 China Sea, doing border adjustments, stealing intellectual property, or constantly whining and

00:46:17.860 bitching about anything to do with Taiwan. Yet, you know, they don't want the status quo. They want 0.97

00:46:26.240 to constantly advance their position. And so the United States, at minimum, should say, F right off.

00:46:34.620 Taiwan can stop here for fuel anytime they want, because that's been the status quo. And that will

00:46:39.180 continue, because we do like to trade with people that respect human rights and speech and votes and

00:46:47.220 all the rest. And we don't like dealing with a Chinese Communist Party that is all about a centralized 0.98

00:46:54.220 dictatorship. So we just need to be consistent with that. We need to stand up to all the money,

00:47:02.380 the lobbying, the influence operations that they push, and say, nope, Taiwan, carry on and continue.

00:47:09.820 At the same time, from Taiwan, we need to lever them hard to replicate their chip fabs, their high-end

00:47:18.380 chip production capability in the United States. That is in our strategic interest. In terms of Taiwan's 0.80

00:47:26.180 defense, Taiwan needs to step up and spend money the right way, not the stupid way, on their defense. 0.77

00:47:35.060 I understand they've just bought a bunch of Abrams tanks, and they're going to bury them along the 0.96

00:47:39.280 beach as embedded pillboxes. I mean, it doesn't get any—obviously, whoever's decided to do that has

00:47:46.420 been paid by the CCP to, like, to fall down in the fight. So, again, a home guard is the thing that would

00:47:54.960 deter an invasion of Taiwan, because Xi cannot count on an extra six, seven hundred thousand

00:48:03.200 armed Taiwanese people that just say, not today, and they stand up and defend their neighborhood,

00:48:09.860 their block, their district, and turn Taiwan into an urban Chechnya-like hellhole for the very 1.00

00:48:17.040 untested Chinese military.

00:48:18.640 I think it was 12 years ago. I remember, sir, 12 years ago, you came on Breitbart Radio when

00:48:26.880 they had an incident in the East China Sea with Japanese, Chinese fishing vessels and Japanese

00:48:32.000 fishing vessels, and the Chinese said, we're cutting you off, cutting Japan off from rare earths.

00:48:37.440 You came on, explained what rare earths are. The FT today, this morning has a story, and Oren Katz

00:48:42.960 joined us about these high-end chips, I guess the second-highest level, NVIDIA cells.

00:48:47.600 We've taken off some export controls. One of the reasons that's happening, of which we

00:48:51.840 adamantly oppose, but one of the reasons it's happening, President Trump is having to balance

00:48:54.960 the fact that the Chinese Communist Party has cut us off from the rare earths, particularly 0.67

00:49:00.080 the processing and the magnets. Now, I understand a little bit that's coming back, but is that still

00:49:04.800 a strategic weakness of us? Not the supply chains, but the fact that they still do all the processing

00:49:10.400 of rare earths, and the West has not really learned a lesson 12 years after they use it

00:49:15.760 on the Japanese the first time? Yes, that is a huge gap that we have. The Mountain Pass, 0.84

00:49:22.720 which is the one functioning rare earth mine in America, the offtake from that mine actually goes

00:49:28.320 to China to be processed. This is something where, you know, the free market is great to a certain

00:49:36.080 extent. But when you have a nation state opponent that is subverting the free market in every way,

00:49:43.760 they have subsidized and captured and dominated the processing of minerals, of rare earth minerals,

00:49:50.800 to the point of more than 90 percent of the world's supply. And they've done that very much so to control

00:49:56.320 that like a chokehold. So I would advocate for the U.S., almost like a Manhattan project,

00:50:03.040 to say we're going to build X, Y, and Z processing somewhere in the United States. It's kind of a lot

00:50:09.840 of those processes are dirty, so fine. Put them in a remote spot, maybe in Utah at Dugway Proving

00:50:15.680 Ground, where they've had chemical weapons testing, so you're never going to make condos there.

00:50:19.680 Fine. That becomes the center of processing for rare earth minerals,

00:50:23.520 and we carry on. And in a period of four or five years, we have taken that issue off the table

00:50:28.640 completely. That's what we should be doing. Alas, we are not.

00:50:34.320 Eric, can you hang on for a second? I'm going to keep you for the six o'clock hour. It looks like

00:50:38.000 President Trump has thrown down with Putin today and said, hey, look, I gave you 50 days. We're about

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Bannon's War Room - July 28, 2025

Episode 4665： Cleaning House In The Intelligence Department

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