Bannon's War Room - Episode 4696： The Mainstream's Destruction Of Public Health

00:00:00.860 Oh, there's bad news of fans of living,

00:00:03.940 because Health Secretary R.F.K. Jr.

00:00:07.240 just pulled $500 million in funding for vaccine development.

00:00:11.840 Now, we have 10 more months of this show,

00:00:14.540 and I want to give a measured, nonpartisan response here.

00:00:18.520 you, you roid-addled nepo-kind. 1.00

00:00:21.280 Now... 0.94

00:00:31.280 Specifically...

00:00:34.280 Specifically...

00:00:39.280 Specifically, Bobby Jr. is nixing 22 projects

00:00:43.280 that use mRNA technology,

00:00:45.280 but that's the latest vaccine technology.

00:00:48.280 That's like saying, kids,

00:00:50.280 I'm turning off the GPS,

00:00:52.280 we're gonna make our way to Six Flags by using the stars.

00:00:55.280 And Daddy the sextant.

00:01:02.280 Yes, crank down windows in Daddy's car. 0.99

00:01:06.280 There you go. All right, there you go.

00:01:08.280 Colbert has no talent.

00:01:10.280 I mean, I could take anybody here,

00:01:12.280 I could go outside on the beautiful streets

00:01:14.280 and pick a couple of people that do just as well or better.

00:01:17.280 They get higher ratings than he did. He's got no talent.

00:01:19.280 Yesterday...

00:01:21.280 Yesterday, RFK Jr. tried to defend the indefensible.

00:01:25.280 Most of these shots are for flu or COVID,

00:01:27.280 but as the pandemic showed us,

00:01:29.280 mRNA vaccines don't perform well

00:01:31.280 against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.

00:01:35.280 Counterpoint...

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00:01:39.280 red-eyed human swim, Jim. 1.00

00:01:45.280 You're gonna kill people. 1.00

00:01:47.280 Why... 0.98

00:01:49.280 Why would you say that mRNA vaccines don't perform well

00:01:53.280 against upper repertory infections?

00:01:55.280 The National Institutes of Health said they prevented

00:01:57.280 an estimated 14.4 million deaths.

00:02:01.280 Why...

00:02:02.280 Why on earth is RFK Jr. so anxious to fill our streets with dead bodies?

00:02:07.280 love, baby,

00:02:09.220 love, baby,

00:02:12.280 love, baby,

00:02:14.280 love...

00:02:15.280 oni...

00:02:19.280 Okay, welcome back.

00:02:33.400 It's Saturday, 9 August, Year of Our Lord 2025.

00:02:36.200 Dr. Jay Bakhtaria joins us, the director of the National Institute of Health.

00:02:40.840 Got a little heated this past week, doctor, particularly with people like Colbert.

00:02:46.860 They're totally, obviously, crude and unacceptable, but it is what it is.

00:02:52.260 Can you explain to us, really, because you were here with the Barrington Resolves and have been here at the beginning of this and had suffered professionally,

00:03:00.660 exactly what happened this week, what brought it about, what was the analysis, why was the announcement, and what's the impact of this, sir?

00:03:07.680 Sure. So what Secretary Kennedy did is he ordered that BARDA, which is an agency in HHS, Health and Human Services,

00:03:19.380 cancel a whole bunch of contracts for the mRNA platform for mass production, essentially, of mRNA vaccines.

00:03:27.460 The reason that he did that, and I think it's very important for people to understand,

00:03:33.340 is that as far as public health goes, the mRNA platform, as far as public health goes for vaccines,

00:03:40.500 the mRNA platform is no longer viable.

00:03:43.580 If you look at the uptake of the recent COVID vaccines in kids, for instance,

00:03:48.780 it's less than 5% of kids, kids under 5, I think, have taken it, less than 15% of kids between 5 and 12.

00:03:56.920 Overall, less than a quarter of people have taken it, despite the fact that there's been relentless propaganda and pressure

00:04:04.460 to take the COVID vaccines, the mRNA COVID vaccines forever, for a very long time, dating to the Biden administration.

00:04:12.200 And so you can't have a platform where such a large fraction of the population distrusts the platform,

00:04:19.780 if you're going to use it for vaccines, and expect it to work.

00:04:23.680 And what you're seeing with Colbert and those insane clips that you just played for me,

00:04:29.100 is frustration because they're no longer getting their way.

00:04:34.100 They no longer control sort of the cultural high ground,

00:04:36.800 where they can essentially bully people to take a product that people don't want.

00:04:42.200 When people have lost trust in a product or technology like that,

00:04:48.200 the only way forward is to be honest with people about what you know, what you don't know,

00:04:54.540 and then give excellent evidence, reason with people.

00:04:58.320 This kind of mocking and bullying has no place in public health.

00:05:03.800 Colbert has done tremendous damage to public health, I think, for several years now,

00:05:08.440 with this kind of relentless propaganda and then now bullying.

00:05:11.600 I just, you know, it's very unfortunate.

00:05:15.440 Now, that's what we played from years ago when he had the dancing needles up there,

00:05:19.240 just to show exactly what.

00:05:21.160 And he will be held accountable over time.

00:05:24.240 I want to go back, though.

00:05:25.700 Science is not a democracy, right?

00:05:28.140 People have lost trust, obviously, with the relentless propaganda.

00:05:30.780 But what is, let's go back to, the reason they've lost trust is, although the propaganda is there,

00:05:36.660 they've kind of see what they see.

00:05:39.780 You're the director of National Institute of Health.

00:05:42.340 What does actually the science tell us?

00:05:45.240 What does the data tell us of mRNA and where we stand right now,

00:05:49.360 regardless of this massive propaganda, you know,

00:05:52.560 effort to convince people that this experimental gene therapy worked?

00:05:56.820 Where are we actually with the evidence and the science itself today?

00:06:01.940 Okay.

00:06:02.340 So as far as, like, the platform itself is a technology.

00:06:07.120 My bottom line is that the technology is promising but not yet ready for prime time for vaccines.

00:06:14.000 It's promising, but in the sense of, like, given the public health moment.

00:06:20.540 Now, let me tell you the scientific evidence behind the, for vaccines.

00:06:24.160 For cancer, that's another story.

00:06:25.840 We can maybe get into that at some other point.

00:06:28.280 For vaccines, what you want is a technology where you understand the dose of the antigen being given.

00:06:35.860 You want to understand, you want to make sure that the antigen,

00:06:38.440 so, for instance, in the case of the COVID infection, the strategy for the vaccine was to present an antigen of the spike protein

00:06:49.420 and then have your body respond to the spike protein rather than the virus itself.

00:06:54.720 And when you respond to the virus, you have antibodies that deactivate the virus.

00:07:01.880 That's the theory.

00:07:02.700 The reality is that, first, the vaccine did not work to stop people from getting and spreading COVID.

00:07:10.760 That's just a fact.

00:07:11.900 Almost everyone who had the vaccine has had COVID.

00:07:14.600 I mean, I actually got the COVID vaccine in April 2021, and two months later, I got COVID.

00:07:20.920 My experience was not unusual, to say the least.

00:07:24.880 And so, as far as, like, the COVID vaccine itself, its ability to address the pandemic and stop the spread of the disease was severely lacking.

00:07:34.060 Okay, so that's one.

00:07:35.980 Second, when you have a platform like the mRNA platform, what you're doing is essentially you're turning your body into an antigen factory.

00:07:43.200 I mean, you're taking your cells, which are capable of taking the mRNA sort of programming, and turn out an antigen that you want to be produced there, right?

00:07:55.220 So, in this case, it was some version of the spike protein.

00:07:58.800 The problem is that the mRNA, when it's taking over the cells and having it produce antigens, you want to make sure that, first, you understand the dose of the antigens that are being produced.

00:08:09.560 You want to control the dose of the vaccine.

00:08:11.760 The vaccine really is the antigen, not the mRNA.

00:08:15.100 Second, you want to make sure that the biodistribution, you want to make sure that it goes to the places you want it to go, not to other places you don't want to go to.

00:08:21.840 And then third, you want to make sure that you're not creating off-target proteins.

00:08:26.340 Now, the mRNA technology fails on all three counts.

00:08:31.120 It's not – I don't believe that it caused – I mean, I've seen people claim that it caused large numbers of deaths.

00:08:37.820 I'm not sure I agree with that in terms of the scientific evidence.

00:08:40.400 I also don't agree with estimates that it saved – I think you played a clip that said 14 million lives.

00:08:47.160 Those estimates, especially the claims of lives saved are based on modeling estimates.

00:08:52.900 They're not actually NIH estimates.

00:08:54.240 The NIH publishes, you know, vast numbers of scientific – links to vast numbers of scientific papers, many – most of which were not actually supported by the NIH.

00:09:02.380 It's just – it's kind of a library.

00:09:03.600 So I think those estimates, I think – you know, I don't – I actually don't know the answer.

00:09:08.560 My general sort of – what I think happened is that it – very likely the COVID vaccine protected people that were older for a short period of time against dying from COVID.

00:09:20.760 And for younger people, because the death rate from COVID, the risk from COVID, dying from COVID was so low, especially for children, that the mRNA vaccine in that setting didn't do very much good at all.

00:09:31.240 And we know for a fact that it had some side effects, severe ones, including myocarditis in sort of an unexpectedly high rate in – especially young men.

00:09:44.060 What led – what you're saying is that, hey, it could be promising, but it's going to take kind of years to figure this out.

00:09:55.160 That is essentially what people do when they try to develop vaccines.

00:10:00.000 They take, I don't know, an average of, what, 10 years or – in these efforts.

00:10:06.100 Why did Fauci and the medical community – because I think in your great Barrington Declaration very early on, you and your colleagues, I think, highlight to people about what the problems are going to be here.

00:10:19.460 Why did the public health – and particularly the most prominent schools, Harvard, all these other places – why did the public health officials in prominent medical centers and, you know, people on MSNBC every day would doctor this and doctor that, totally credentialized.

00:10:37.640 Why did they jump so hard on top of this that it was a panacea and that you had to take it?

00:10:43.620 And if you didn't take it, no one at the war room is vaccinated, right?

00:10:47.600 We just totally, completely rejected it out of hand.

00:10:51.180 But why were the professionals, and particularly people at the most credentialed places, why did they jump on this thing so hard to push it?

00:11:00.800 I mean there's multiple reasons, Steve.

00:11:02.640 And I think you can talk about, of course, the financial incentives.

00:11:05.600 I mean there were tremendous financial incentives.

00:11:07.340 As you could see, when Secretary Kennedy canceled the contracts, it was, you know, on the order of – you know, just a vast amount of money was at stake.

00:11:19.160 So there's financial incentives involved.

00:11:21.280 That's part of it.

00:11:22.020 I don't believe that's all of it, though.

00:11:23.260 If you go back and put yourself in, say, summer of 2020, the fear and panic over the threat of COVID was so palpable that it led people to do really – I mean just – if you look in retrospect, really crazy things.

00:11:37.900 So including closing our schools, including, you know, ostracizing people that – who were, you know, sort of taking risks.

00:11:48.960 When I was a Stanford professor back then, I would – it was fairly sort of – I was out front saying that we shouldn't be closing schools.

00:11:57.060 We shouldn't be doing all this.

00:11:57.960 I got – I mean I just as a – I was reflecting what I saw as the evidence in front of me, and I got, you know, crazy death threats just because I would say that the closing schools doesn't make sense.

00:12:08.760 After we wrote the Great Barrington Declaration in October 2020 with a colleague of mine at Harvard and a colleague of mine at Oxford where we called for opening schools and for not harming the lives of young people, protecting older people better, but not harming the lives of young people.

00:12:23.480 The former head of the NIH, a man named Francis Collins, who – he wrote to Tony Fauci calling for a devastating takedown over the premise of the declaration, which then led to, you know, again, more death threats against me.

00:12:36.440 It was quite – it was quite something.

00:12:38.600 So in that sort of feverish environment, I think people looked at this – the vaccine as a sort of panacea, and they invested a lot into try to get the vaccine technology out.

00:12:49.400 I mean Operation Warp Speed in a sense made a lot of sense in that environment because Operation Warp Speed said let's try to accelerate the development of this technology that might address this threat.

00:12:59.780 Now, I thought there were better ways to address the threat back then, but let's just – just as a matter of like, you know, sort of strategy, it makes sense to like invest all you can to try to address this threat as you see it.

00:13:12.520 But when – after that happened, though, the evaluation of the evidence, I mean, it just involved a lot of wishful thinking.

00:13:21.040 There was a clip of the then-CDC director in 2021, Rochelle Walensky, talking about how everyone was just filled with hope.

00:13:29.580 That hope blinded the public health establishment to the facts about the vaccine, right?

00:13:36.120 So it didn't protect you from getting and spreading COVID.

00:13:38.820 It just didn't after a short time.

00:13:41.160 It had side effects.

00:13:42.760 I think that blind spot, really, that's the key thing.

00:13:47.560 Doctor, can you hang on just – we're going to have a short commercial break, and we've got a few questions on the other side about how do we go forward?

00:13:56.580 Secretary Kennedy promised platinum-level science and radical transparency at HHS.

00:14:02.660 I think that is what the American people have wanted for a long time so we don't get caught up in some emotional situation when it comes to public health and science.

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00:16:41.380 Dr. Bhattataria joins us now, Director of National Institute of Health.

00:16:46.500 So in promulgating this to the American people because they have a lack of trust in this platform,

00:16:53.820 the mRNA, additional information, you guys, analysis of science and kind of how do we go forward?

00:17:00.260 If this platform is not working, what's the next step in promulgating this information to the American people?

00:17:06.700 Because, as you know, the information war against you guys right now is pretty intense.

00:17:13.740 As Big Pharma, as all the people that were cheerleaders for this, not understanding the science, they have to cover their tracks.

00:17:22.680 They're just going to sit there and go, oh, you know, Bobby Kennedy, his team are right.

00:17:25.620 So just walk us through what should we look for going forward?

00:17:31.360 Well, I mean, I sit as the Director of the National Institute of Health.

00:17:34.260 So I'm in charge of, like, how we devote our resources to scientific, you know, scientific experiments that are aimed at improving health.

00:17:43.320 So I'll just talk to that.

00:17:45.060 To me, the key thing going forward, first, we have to be absolutely honest with the American people about what worked and what didn't work, right?

00:17:51.220 We can't continue to try to paint a picture of everything's fine.

00:17:57.960 Like, you know, in the Stephen Colbert approach of public health, that's a complete disaster, a nonstarter.

00:18:03.180 This is almost tailor-made and designed to create lack of public trust.

00:18:06.960 We have to be honest about what's known and what's not known, right?

00:18:10.180 So I told you I don't know whether some of the claims that I've heard are right just because I have a – you know, as a scientist, I have to, like, have a skeptical view of almost any claim.

00:18:23.480 So we have to be – we have to convey that, what we know and what we don't know clearly.

00:18:27.420 Second, we have to invest in technologies that actually have a promise of working that have not lost the trust of the American people, right?

00:18:33.340 So, for instance, at the NIH, at the behest of Secretary Kennedy, we've invested in a more traditional vaccine technology of whole virus-inactivated vaccines for viruses for treating the flu or for preventing the flu, sort of a universal flu vaccine.

00:18:51.100 So you wouldn't necessarily have to get the flu vaccine every single year after year.

00:18:54.520 If that works, I'll tell you.

00:18:57.460 I'll tell you if it works.

00:18:58.380 I'll tell you if there's side effects.

00:18:59.660 I'll be honest with you about what the scientific evidence says.

00:19:02.880 I'm not going to use my platform to say, trust me.

00:19:07.160 Instead, I'll show you evidence and I'll give you my honest assessment.

00:19:10.260 I think that's really the only way forward.

00:19:12.640 We have to pursue promising avenues, right, and pursue them with scientific rigor, and we have to be absolutely honest with the American people about what we find, including some of the things that we don't necessarily – haven't necessarily expected to find.

00:19:28.160 I don't know any other way forward other than that.

00:19:30.000 What is – to make sure we don't have problems like we've had in the pandemic and you don't have – this gets into emotions instead of just data and science.

00:19:43.080 Going forward, are you going to address this more to the American people?

00:19:46.540 Are you going to take a more prominent role in talking about what you guys are pursuing?

00:19:51.700 Are the actual scientists you're giving grants to?

00:19:54.140 Are you going to give them a higher public profile?

00:19:56.220 I mean, how are people – just the average common citizen, right, that's bombarded by the entertainment industry like Colbert, how are they going to actually get access to this?

00:20:06.600 Well, Steve, I'm not particularly good at PR, but I can tell you I have a podcast that I've started called The Director's Desk where I talk to scientists.

00:20:16.400 I talk to – and we talk about hot-button scientific issues where we discuss sort of a level – at a level where people can understand what's known and what's not known.

00:20:27.780 I think putting people – putting scientists actually thinking through their skepticism about things and expressing that publicly, I think that's one way forward.

00:20:40.580 And I think we – just having like honest conversations – I mean, I was thrilled when you invited me on this show.

00:20:47.740 Having honest conversations in places where scientists don't normally go I think is also going to really help connect with the American people.

00:20:54.840 The mainstream media, I don't know, you know better than me, Steve, but I've had so much frustration in how the mainstream media has pursued its public health engagement.

00:21:06.240 I think it's done great damage to public trust and public health.

00:21:10.020 I still remember a clip from – I think it was MSNBC.

00:21:12.620 There was some host that she was talking about how the COVID vaccine, every single time someone takes it, it stops the virus in its tracks and it won't move forward.

00:21:21.200 And I knew the data at the time did not support that.

00:21:23.720 And there she was on a prominent cable news channel telling – misleading the public seemingly with an eye toward propagandizing the public.

00:21:36.120 A lot of the – a lot of – I mean, I don't know this for certain, but it looks to me like a lot of the money that comes from advertising for these mainstream sites comes from pharma, right?

00:21:48.500 And so they have sort of a vested interest in this propaganda.

00:21:52.460 How do we get people to understand that there's – that they should be listening to real science where the hallmark of it is skepticism?

00:22:00.220 The hallmark of it is rigor.

00:22:02.040 The hallmark of it is looking at data.

00:22:04.560 And it's often – the results are ambiguous.

00:22:07.720 Like you – I mean, I believe that the COVID vaccine was good for older adults in 2021 during the Delta wave.

00:22:15.120 I don't know now.

00:22:16.660 I mean, because there's no real randomized trials on that now for the new variant demonstrating the kind of result which we want in protection against severe disease and death.

00:22:26.800 But, I mean, that's an ambiguity.

00:22:31.400 But for younger people, I wrote a piece in April 2021 for kids that said it made no sense to make the COVID vaccine available for kids back then because the likelihood of dying from COVID itself was so low and there was the possibility of side effects.

00:22:47.340 I mean, this kind of nuance, this kind of discussion, an honest discussion where scientists disagree with each other, we have debate and open discussion, that's my strategy going forward.

00:22:56.840 I'd love to get out more and talk with folks about this because I think that's the only real way to restore trust.

00:23:04.580 I agree.

00:23:05.400 Perfect.

00:23:06.360 Where do people go to get to the National Institute of Health site, your social media, and your podcast?

00:23:11.580 We'll start with promulgating real science and the discussion and debate around science, which is always a debate.

00:23:19.420 Where do people go, doctor?

00:23:21.680 So I have a site called NIHdirector underscore J on X.

00:23:27.100 There's also an NIH site itself.

00:23:31.140 So, you know, it's just like literally at NIH where you can see, like, we don't just do talk about vaccines.

00:23:37.960 We have a whole wide range of science, of course, that we talk about.

00:23:41.940 There's a director's desk podcast, which we're going to, you know, I mean, you can see I've done a few already.

00:23:48.760 I'm going to plan to do many, many more.

00:23:50.960 I'm going to start highlighting some really exciting findings.

00:23:53.380 Like, for instance, did you know, Steve, that we now potentially have a cure for sickle cell disease,

00:23:59.480 a genetic disease that affects, you know, many, many, especially black youths that I thought would never be cured, but we might have a cure. 1.00

00:24:09.380 There are all kinds of exciting advances like this that I would love to highlight so we can start to, people can understand where this honest scientific process leads.

00:24:18.620 And also there's I want to highlight places where there's ambiguity, where where I believe that that that ambiguity has been sort of suppressed that that so that director's desk will be a fun place to follow me.

00:24:32.900 Thank you so much.

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00:24:51.220 Doctor, thank you so much for coming on today.

00:24:53.780 Really appreciate you taking time on the Saturday.

00:24:55.920 We'll make sure we'll push out all of your information.

00:24:58.820 Thank you, Steve.

00:24:59.400 We're really grateful to have you have me on.

00:25:03.040 Thank you, sir.

00:25:04.760 Wow.

00:25:05.240 Very refreshing.

00:25:08.180 I've got the great name.

00:25:09.260 Naomi, in fact, can we boot that ad up for the for the break? 0.99

00:25:12.320 I want to play it afterwards.

00:25:13.900 Naomi Wolf joins us.

00:25:15.440 Naomi, many years in the vineyard, you you fought and warned people and and and and put together the the Pfizer papers and had thousands of war and posse under your and Amy Kelly's great direction.

00:25:30.200 Do all this work.

00:25:31.640 What are your thoughts when you heard the when you heard the announcement this week and also the firestorm that came back from the Colbert's of the world and the mocking?

00:25:39.260 And all that, ma'am.

00:25:42.320 Well, it was it was an important announcement.

00:25:44.400 I mean, I've been critical of HHS and the leadership of Secretary Kennedy falling short, you know, so many times in so many ways of the centerpiece of why the Maha movement aligned with MAGA for this historic union of voters.

00:26:03.560 And the centerpiece of that was getting rid of the mRNA injection that moms knew and dads knew by now has been so devastating and damaging.

00:26:14.220 So I've got to credit Secretary Kennedy for a considerable amount of boldness.

00:26:21.880 I mean, we know what he's facing.

00:26:24.080 We can conjecture, you know, the headwinds internally, the, you know, many forces, lobbyists,

00:26:31.580 different camps internally that would would want to prevent an announcement such as his, which defunded about half a billion dollars in funding for 22 mRNA programs.

00:26:47.800 So that was I want to credit him for that, right?

00:26:51.040 That took a lot of courage.

00:26:52.420 That said, like my headline today, especially, you know, now always, but listening to Dr.

00:26:57.620 Bhattacharya, whom I admire so much, you know, whom I've known and respected since 2022.

00:27:04.160 When I first interviewed him, I feel like they're such a huge announcement, right?

00:27:11.140 And the predictable mockery, because you analyzed the battlefield so accurately, the predictable mockery for legacy media is largely because pharma pays for 70 to 80 percent of legacy media.

00:27:23.940 So banning pharma ads in America the way every country that New Zealand bans pharma ads will indeed shake out the tree and, you know, guarantee journalists present.

00:27:36.700 But I was just going to say, you know, my headline is that HHS doesn't have a working comms apparatus.

00:27:43.320 And you see Secretary Kennedy, in my view, struggling much harder than he should have to.

00:27:48.360 To J. Bhattacharya, even not being equipped with, you know, by a comms team with simple points and action steps that everyone can understand.

00:27:59.460 Naomi, hang on one second. 0.94

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00:30:53.480 Naomi, I want you to continue on, but I also want about the accountability.

00:31:00.180 We started with a package with Dr. J about Colbert, who was on a tear this week,

00:31:08.100 but also went back to the time he had the dancing needles.

00:31:10.520 And, you know, he just said that he thought that people like Colbert did an immense damage to public health in the United States,

00:31:21.000 and nobody would know that better than you, who they tried to shut up and de-platform and de-bank your daily clout and get rid of it, etc.

00:31:29.260 So walk me through exactly where you think we are in promulgating this information, one, to the American people,

00:31:37.920 so people have a full understanding of exactly where we are in this.

00:31:41.980 And number two, what is your recommendation on how we hold people accountable that really damaged and hurt so many of our fellow citizens, ma'am?

00:31:52.540 Sure.

00:31:53.480 Well, I love that trailer or that clip you just aired, how necessary to have a group pressing,

00:32:01.260 and it shouldn't be a difficult legislative solution to simply make it unlawful as everywhere else.

00:32:07.640 But one country to, for pharma to advertise.

00:32:11.200 And I think what we're going to find so fantastic, an approach is that, you know,

00:32:16.340 just like we're seeing legacy media collapse without USAID money,

00:32:20.140 it may simply fall apart completely without the combination of USAID money and pharma money,

00:32:26.140 and that'll leave independent media to tell the truth.

00:32:29.320 So it's a fabulous approach, and it's necessary.

00:32:31.820 So Dr. Bhattacharya, you know, didn't just face opposition from legacy media.

00:32:37.720 He actually faced, as he mentioned, internal opposition from the highest levels of HHS and the NIH.

00:32:45.400 I mean, it's so unconstitutional, but we know that story, right?

00:32:49.920 And now our people, our friends, our electeds are in charge, especially directly at HHS, NIH, and so on.

00:32:58.900 So what I want to encourage, you know, our wonderful allies in those agencies to consider

00:33:07.100 is that the time is over for the reaction to be, how do we tell this story?

00:33:12.500 How do we combat legacy media?

00:33:14.960 You know, they're so full of falsehood.

00:33:18.580 They are so mean to us.

00:33:20.320 You know, enough of that.

00:33:21.240 We're in charge now.

00:33:22.440 You guys are in charge now.

00:33:23.600 You, yes, they're going to try to tear your story apart.

00:33:27.860 That's their job, certainly for as long as they're funded by pharma.

00:33:32.300 But what HHS needs to have, and NIH needs to have, and the FDA needs to have,

00:33:38.640 is a really functioning comms apparatus.

00:33:42.220 And that's not rocket science, and they don't have it right now.

00:33:45.680 So let's just take the mRNA rollout of, you know, big announcement.

00:33:49.800 I think it was kind of botched, and it shouldn't have been.

00:33:53.540 They should have gotten nothing but good political capital out of that announcement.

00:33:58.340 It didn't come with links to the original science, right?

00:34:03.480 And Stephen Hatfield, an advisor to HHS, as I understand, was on your show.

00:34:08.460 He was on Emerald Robinson's show.

00:34:10.160 And he said the quiet part out loud, you know, great journalism from Emily Robinson and from you.

00:34:16.380 But he said there are 500 studies showing the damage outweighs the benefit of these injections.

00:34:24.240 But Stephanie Spear is sitting on them, essentially. 1.00

00:34:27.320 I mean, his words were more diplomatic.

00:34:29.480 But, and then, you know, Gray Delaney, who is my former editor, a really serious young man who had a role advising,

00:34:40.100 he was fired, you know, subsequent to the mRNA rollout.

00:34:44.340 He actually knew how to run, you know, comms better than it seems the existing infrastructure.

00:34:50.140 So I can tell you as a sympathetic journalist, Steve, that when I run a critical essay about HHS,

00:34:58.820 I don't have anyone to call to get a quote.

00:35:02.100 There's no one to reach, right?

00:35:04.420 You can go to the HHS website.

00:35:06.200 There's a press person.

00:35:07.260 It goes into a black hole.

00:35:08.740 I don't get emails from HHS.

00:35:11.000 I'm a reporter with 2 million people listening a month, right?

00:35:14.340 I'm sympathetic.

00:35:15.660 I don't get press releases from HHS.

00:35:17.960 When you look at the press release for the mRNA, and I'm talking now so people will understand that a press release from a communications shop, right,

00:35:26.880 which every agency is supposed to have, is the DNA of messaging from any successful administration, right?

00:35:36.660 You know, there isn't a database of journalists that's getting press releases.

00:35:41.180 And when you get the press release, say for the mRNA rollout, it's so convoluted, so bureaucratically written,

00:35:49.900 and kind of sneakily phrased, which I wish they would stop doing, that you end up noticing, okay, well, they're defunding 22 programs,

00:35:58.980 but they're reinvesting, you know, in something over there, and meanwhile, they're acknowledging there are still programs

00:36:07.700 that they're not going to pull putting this mRNA injection in people's bodies because it's already taxpayer funded.

00:36:14.820 So anyone with common sense who can make it through the language is going to be going, what?

00:36:19.740 I can't even write about this.

00:36:22.300 And, you know, also, with a rollout that important, which is going to get news coverage from certainly all the financial press,

00:36:30.060 all the legacy media, why isn't there an op-ed penned by someone with, you know, RFK Jr.'s name on it,

00:36:37.580 Dr. Bhattacharya's name on it, well, it would be RFK Jr.'s name on it.

00:36:41.160 You know, in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, I mean, maybe the case for this was made,

00:36:50.780 and I just overlooked it, but really, a functional comms team should have op-eds, USA Today, regional newspapers, you know,

00:36:58.320 and they should have a battery of surrogates, right, who are equipped and trained, again,

00:37:04.300 with these three message points and an action step so that they're all on the same page,

00:37:09.600 which I will tell you, Democrats do it, you know, we're awful people, or, you know, I'm a former Democrat,

00:37:15.640 but, you know, the opposition are awful, but they know how to get in line and send everyone talking points, right?

00:37:22.160 And literally, I don't see surrogates, and there are many who would be willing, going out and carrying RFK Jr.'s message.

00:37:29.240 He took half a billion dollars away from mRNA.

00:37:32.460 Lastly, I just want to say there's no one, it seems, thinking through the emotional impact of what they're doing, right?

00:37:38.840 So, you know, 70 to 80 percent of the American public, Steve, has taken this mRNA injection into their bodies once, twice, three times, a booster,

00:37:51.680 and they were told for four years, safe and effective, safe and effective, you know, the dancing syringes, et cetera, on Stephen Colbert.

00:38:00.240 Now, Secretary Kennedy, who already has been branded a lunatic by Legacy Media, stands up and tells them something very, very emotionally charged, right?

00:38:13.020 Very difficult to hear.

00:38:14.880 There's more risk than benefit.

00:38:17.860 That is scientifically and medically correct, and everyone who got that message should have been directed to all the studies that show that,

00:38:25.660 so he's not standing out there by himself, unsupported, but it's emotionally traumatic to hear that.

00:38:32.440 So they need someone in the comms shop needs to think through, this is going to be very difficult for people to hear.

00:38:40.420 We need to be patient.

00:38:42.140 We need to be informative.

00:38:44.360 We need to have op-ed after op-ed after op-ed explaining, you know, this is how we're going to help.

00:38:52.080 Now we're going to work on vaccine injury compensation issues, so that's not a morass.

00:38:58.060 You know, we're going to give you somewhere to go.

00:39:00.180 We're on your side.

00:39:01.300 Otherwise, people are just traumatized and want to shut down.

00:39:03.960 Hey, I'm going to have you on.

00:39:07.020 I'll work out with your schedule to come in because I want to have back on and go through deeper.

00:39:12.820 Because here's why.

00:39:14.100 It's not just the $500 million.

00:39:17.460 That's kind of the BARDA part of it.

00:39:19.940 It's so much deeper than that.

00:39:22.240 The $500 million is like, okay, that shut down.

00:39:25.380 But it's like, yo, this was an experimental gene therapy.

00:39:30.520 Everybody had the highest hopes for it.

00:39:32.720 They wanted it to work.

00:39:34.500 A lot of the scientists lost their scientific, you know, not just credibility, but their moorings.

00:39:41.700 And, of course, people like Fauci and others in the pharmaceuticals of vested interest went over the top.

00:39:47.420 But this thing is so deep.

00:39:48.940 This gets to the whole situation with the pandemic.

00:39:51.720 This gets to the situation of public health going forward.

00:39:55.160 And the Colbert stuff can't be unanswered.

00:39:58.000 It has to be answered.

00:39:58.900 And people eventually have to be held accountable.

00:40:02.320 So this is what – and I do agree with you.

00:40:04.680 I'm so blown away that it was just like I read the press release.

00:40:08.140 And like I said, you know me.

00:40:09.460 I'm not a doctor.

00:40:10.300 When I read that, I go, holy mackerel.

00:40:12.520 Does this say what I think it says?

00:40:15.260 So this is why – it has to be a massive effort.

00:40:17.600 In fact, I believe it's the most important thing that Secretary Kennedy has done and will have the most profound implications if properly managed, not just in the messaging side but the action side.

00:40:31.760 Naomi, we've got to bounce, but I want everybody to go to your thing, but we'll have you back on.

00:40:35.900 This thing is so massive that we're at the very top.

00:40:39.220 And I want people to understand, just because Bobby Kennedy and the director of NIH and all these came together with the science with Hatfield and put this out and made a decision, this fight's far from over.

00:40:53.220 Don't think the farmer thinks that they're going to lose this.

00:40:56.040 They look at us as just a – they still look at this as a collection of just kind of marginalia.

00:41:01.580 This fight is in, and if we want to win this and do what's right for science and do what's right for public health, hey, this is the opening salvo.

00:41:11.320 This is so far from over, and people think you just put out a press release.

00:41:14.360 Oh, it's done.

00:41:15.280 That's holy writ.

00:41:16.520 It's not – that's not the way the imperial capital works, and that's not the way modern capitalism works, particularly when you're talking about the concentration of power that Big Pharma has.

00:41:27.660 Naomi Wolf, an amazing job you did over the years.

00:41:30.260 We'll get more to that about the Pfizer papers and what led to this.

00:41:34.380 Where do people go over the weekend to get you, ma'am? 0.72

00:41:37.540 Well, they should come on August 21st at 6 p.m. to the Republican Club, the Donald J. Trump Republican Club.

00:41:46.420 That's me at the Republican Club, everyone.

00:41:48.840 This day has come, and they can meet the candidates, this groundswell of amazing young candidates, former Democrats who have walked away, who are now running as Republicans to save Brooklyn and save New York.

00:42:00.000 So everyone come say hi then.

00:42:02.340 Wow.

00:42:04.000 Wow.

00:42:04.540 It's really happening.

00:42:05.180 I want to talk about that next week also.

00:42:08.960 It's good on you because that is another fight.

00:42:11.820 That is horrific right there.

00:42:13.040 The Working People's Party, the DSA, they've got ground game.

00:42:16.460 I'm telling you, this is going to be a battle royale.

00:42:18.980 Naomi Wolf, social media, where do people get you, ma'am?

00:42:22.560 At NaomiRWolf on X and on DailyCloud.io and over on Substack, I am outspoken.

00:42:30.300 It's my Substack.

00:42:31.340 And thank you, Steve.

00:42:32.400 Thank you.

00:42:32.860 Thank you, ma'am.

00:42:34.020 You are outspoken.

00:42:35.460 On that, I can guarantee you, Naomi Wolf.

00:42:39.240 Wow.

00:42:40.420 This thing is huge.

00:42:41.340 The director of the IRS was made or nominated for to be the ambassador for Iceland yesterday.

00:42:50.500 So he's stepping down after two months.

00:42:52.020 That would be 60 days.

00:42:53.020 Scott Bessence currently got it.

00:42:55.800 I've strongly recommended on Getter and pushed out on social media.

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00:43:04.880 It's a plus 27 district, MAGA district.

00:43:07.760 But he's the head of Ways and Means.

00:43:10.640 I think they need immediately to get someone like Jason Smith.

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00:45:43.080 Yeah, Dr. Bhattacharya, just outstanding objectivity, honesty.

00:45:47.720 The moral foundations come through.

00:45:49.920 Naomi, the same thing, more political.

00:45:51.820 Let's get it out there.

00:45:53.280 Transparency matters, right?

00:45:55.180 Let's get, where's the comms director?

00:45:56.640 Where's the, all this ties into President Trump's position on the universities, and he should

00:46:01.520 stay at it, right?

00:46:02.860 I have people from the universities, right?

00:46:05.000 Yeah, everybody sees the news clips of the University of Chicago professor.

00:46:08.580 She says, you know, I hate this place. 0.99

00:46:11.060 It's run by white men. 1.00

00:46:12.140 I hate white men. 1.00

00:46:13.260 And I'm staying here to use this as a platform. 1.00

00:46:16.380 And that's what Bhattacharya said.

00:46:18.060 Science is not a platform.

00:46:19.260 It should be, you should be able to reproduce your results.

00:46:22.420 If it's publicly funded, we should demand all sciences put out publicly after they publish

00:46:27.220 the paper, right?

00:46:27.860 So, you know, it's competitive academically.

00:46:30.600 So, but you should have to put your data and your methodology out in public so people

00:46:34.860 can replicate it.

00:46:35.820 And just a quick in closing, the university, right, it's not just science, which is way

00:46:41.100 better than the rest of them.

00:46:42.540 The university is roughly a third hard science, a third social science, and a third humanities.

00:46:47.460 All three are supposed to explain the same reality, the real world.

00:46:53.080 And I'll just leave you with a closing thought.

00:46:55.100 The most important thing or person for all of humanity, six billion people, is God.

00:47:01.200 And why can't a university study God?

00:47:04.020 The most important thing, ethics and religion and God are off limits to science, social science,

00:47:10.440 the humanities.

00:47:11.820 That's got to be turned around.

00:47:13.140 And Trump, Trump should explain that to our leaders in education.

00:47:19.980 Social media, where do people get you over the weekend for you back here next week?

00:47:24.300 Yeah, I'll put a little of that up from that last little blurb there.

00:47:28.340 Brad Economics on Getter and X.

00:47:30.280 Thanks, Steve.

00:47:32.660 Thank you, brother.

00:47:33.380 Thank you for co-hosting.

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00:48:53.660 Don't take it from Tej, and don't take it from me.

00:48:55.740 Go check it out for your compadres.

00:48:57.940 Trevor Comstock, you're also on a roll.

00:49:00.540 Sacred Human Health.

00:49:01.480 What do you got for us today, sir?

00:49:03.520 Yeah, I appreciate it, Steve.

00:49:04.540 So I know I've come on a few times to share the news about the launch of our new Tallow Moisturizer,

00:49:10.000 and we technically have been selling out.

00:49:11.880 Our team's been doing an amazing job just to keep it in stock and keeping the ball rolling.

00:49:17.340 So again, we don't have to list it out of stock.

00:49:19.760 But I also just wanted to quickly touch on one point.

00:49:22.640 We've had a good amount of people just reaching out asking how this compares to their everyday skin moisturizer.

00:49:28.840 So again, I just wanted to quickly touch on that.

00:49:30.960 But compared to most commercial skin creams, the issue with those is that they're usually full of synthetic ingredients,

00:49:37.260 and like alcohols, fragrances, and cheap fillers that can actually damage your skin barrier over time.

00:49:43.340 So although they may be effective to some degree,

00:49:47.920 they usually, again, contain a ton of chemicals that really aren't natural.

00:49:52.000 And, you know, they're typically just mass-produced, so the quality in general is pretty questionable.

00:49:57.560 So in turn, our formula is very clean.

00:50:00.140 We only use the two ingredients, which is the 100% grass-fed and finished beef tallow and then the raw manuka honey.

00:50:07.220 And again, there's no synthetic ingredients, no fillers, no alcohols or anything like that.

00:50:11.200 And in terms of a use case, it's great for dry skin.

00:50:14.860 You can use it on anywhere where you have some red spots, eczema, or just irritated skin in general.

00:50:20.800 And you can also put it on your face, your hands, your neck, or anywhere where your body needs it.

00:50:25.700 And I mentioned, too, but my mom's been using it for the past week on her neck, and she's been loving it.

00:50:31.820 This product is on fire along with the other immunity, grass-fed beef liver.

00:50:36.100 Where do people go right now to look at it over the weekend?

00:50:38.420 Yeah, you can go to sacredhumanhealth.com, and then also you can use code WARROOM for 10% off any one-time purchase.

00:50:46.640 And, yeah, let us know if you have any questions.

00:50:47.960 We're happy to help.

00:50:51.320 Trevor is available.

00:50:53.460 We make all the leaders of the companies we're in business with.

00:50:56.960 Make sure they make, whether it's Philip Patrick at Birch Gold or Trevor Comstock or Sacred Human, Taze Gill.

00:51:02.600 Build a relationship with them.

00:51:03.840 This is what they want.

00:51:04.660 This is why these guys are entrepreneurs and starting these companies.

00:51:06.860 They are people persons.

00:51:08.760 Go check it out today.

00:51:09.700 Speaking of a people person, the one, the only, Mike Lindell.

00:51:14.780 No Mike?

00:51:15.840 No.

00:51:16.380 Oh, my gosh.

00:51:18.140 I went through an entire Saturday and no Mike Lindell?

00:51:22.020 We'll have to put up mypillow.com.

00:51:24.180 But thanks for the heads up.

00:51:25.740 Okay.

00:51:27.560 Incredibly big next week.

00:51:29.980 The redistricting are going to start, not just Texas, across the nation.

00:51:37.360 We've got the summit with Putin.

00:51:40.000 We're going to have a special analysis every day.

00:51:44.440 And guess what?

00:51:45.080 I think a couple, three of our own people may actually be up there in the press poll to cover it.

00:51:50.360 A historic week.

00:51:52.000 President Trump understands history.

00:51:53.580 15 August, when the Japanese surrendered, finally surrendered, in World War II.

00:51:58.540 And that's the way he's going to do it.

00:51:59.540 He's going to do it right in Alaska.

00:52:00.860 It's strategically important for hemispheric defense.

00:52:04.600 Also, I'm sure we're going to get a couple, three updates on the entire situation in Gaza.

00:52:08.180 And everything else that President Trump's doing here domestically.

00:52:11.540 I'll be up on Getter all weekend.

00:52:13.640 We're going to leave you with the right stuff.

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00:52:19.820 It's actually nonfiction.

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00:52:26.440 We'll see you Monday morning at 10 a.m.

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Bannon's War Room - August 09, 2025

Episode 4696： The Mainstream's Destruction Of Public Health

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