Bannon's War Room - August 14, 2025


Episode 4705： Taking Back The Culture; Smithsonians Systematic Process Of Telling The Story Of America Through Oppression


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

155.98334

Word Count

8,384

Sentence Count

693

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

US economic growth hit a new record high of 3. Inflation hits a new all-time high of 2.8%, and the Dow and S&P 500 hit new records as well. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate hit an all time low of 1.9% and consumer spending hit a record high.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Headline number is whoppingly big. Oh my goodness. Up nine tenths of a percent. Up nine tenths.
00:00:07.880 And if you strip out food and energy, guess what? It's still up nine tenths. Boy, that equals June
00:00:14.220 of 22. You're to March of 22 on the headline to find a bigger number. On the core number,
00:00:20.240 that would comp to March of 22 since we've had a number of that magnitude when it was 1.2%.
00:00:27.400 These are kind of COVID distorted numbers. Now, let's look at X food, energy and trade.
00:00:33.040 Triple the expectations. All three of those were expected to be up two tenths. This is up six tenths.
00:00:38.920 Six tenths would be the highest level since March of 22 when it was nine tenths. Now, let's go year
00:00:45.860 over year. These are warm to 3.7. Excuse me. I'm getting ahead of myself. Final demand year over
00:00:53.380 year is 3.3. We're expecting 2.5. Now, 3.3, that would be the highest since February. The high
00:01:00.680 watermark was January this year at 3.8. Now, 2.8 is X food, energy and trade. That is definitely
00:01:09.020 higher than 2.5 expected. 2.8 will be the highest since March. And right in the middle there, we have
00:01:14.880 X just food and energy. That number coming in at 3.7. I kept it for last because that really is a very,
00:01:22.280 very large number. Here's a bit of good news. 224,000. That's down 3,000 from a slightly revised
00:01:29.180 227. And we're the 12th consecutive week above 1.9 million and continuing claims 1,953,000. Once
00:01:39.440 again, it all gets stacked up pretty tight. And both of them, every month, are pretty much at all
00:01:44.240 time highs. So you're right. We may go sideways some months. We may even have small downturns. But
00:01:50.960 for the most part, what everybody watching hates about pricing is the fact that it compounds like
00:01:57.280 compounded interest. And even when it shuts itself down, yes, going down is a whole new ballgame that we
00:02:03.780 never talk about that the Fed isn't even concerned about. The Fed doesn't care if prices really go down.
00:02:09.160 They just want them to stop going up.
00:02:14.600 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
00:02:22.940 these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a
00:02:29.780 belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world
00:02:33.580 to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go
00:02:37.580 to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a
00:02:45.280 conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
00:02:53.440 this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:02:59.840 It's Thursday, 14 August in the year of our Lord, 2025. We had today on the inflation numbers,
00:03:12.300 what we would call, I don't know, maybe not a bad print, but definitely not a good one.
00:03:17.000 Joe LaVarnier from Treasury is scheduled. They're figuring out some things over there and he's going
00:03:22.040 to come on and talk to us. And I think the issue there is not tariffs. I think you've seen the
00:03:30.220 tariff impact earlier, but I believe it is, part of it is tied to spending. And we're going to have
00:03:36.500 Wade Miller on from CRA, you know, where are the rescissions packages? Where are the pocket
00:03:40.580 rescissions? Where's the impoundments? We have to get this, you know, Kobayashi put up this 12
00:03:45.880 tweet thread yesterday. He put up a 12 tweet thread that walked through how tariffs and particularly
00:03:57.160 money coming into the Treasury, I think they figured it was going to be $350 billion this year.
00:04:01.720 But he ended it by saying, hey, the situation with spending is still out of control and it has to
00:04:08.060 be addressed. And it has to be addressed right now with rescissions, pocket rescissions,
00:04:12.040 and or impoundments. We're going to get to all that. Also, this may be one of the most important
00:04:18.760 weekends in President Trump's history in the presidency, both his first and second term.
00:04:24.680 It's about institutions. He'll be heading out to Alaska tomorrow to meet with Putin. This is
00:04:32.800 already looking like it's going to be an economic discussion, right? It looks like the beginning of
00:04:37.620 a rapprochement and that Ukraine and the ceasefire or ending the war there is part of that.
00:04:41.940 As we've said, but not all of it. Also, you have the grand juries. You have us attacking and going
00:04:48.260 after the deep state and trying to take it apart. Scott Besson, Secretary of the Treasury, first time
00:04:53.160 he's been pretty adamant. I mean, he's been very reserved about this, calling for a 150 basis point
00:04:58.820 cut to the Federal Reserve saying that they just structurally have the interest rates calculated
00:05:04.360 incorrectly. EJ and Tony, we're going to talk more about EJ later. They came up with a photo of EJ
00:05:11.220 in the crowd outside the Capitol on January 6th and NBC went absolutely nuts on this. I think it
00:05:19.780 makes EJ actually more based. I didn't know that about EJ. It makes us even want to be more. There
00:05:25.040 we are right there, EJ. We're going to get to all this in the seizing of the institutions, both in
00:05:33.200 Washington, D.C. with the deployment of troops and also culturally from the Kennedy Center to the
00:05:37.660 Smithsonian Institute. Ambassador Grinnell will be here, Roger Kimball. So we're absolutely
00:05:42.180 packed this morning. I want to start with Joe LaVarnier over at Treasury. So Joe, you would call
00:05:49.320 this in your Wall Street days, maybe not a great print. Walk me through the numbers here because
00:05:54.200 affordability, you know, prices are going to be everything in affordability. And, you know,
00:05:58.680 we haven't dealt with spending. We're going to have Wade Miller on about this. Walk me through
00:06:02.440 Treasury's perspective on today's numbers, sir. So the numbers came out higher than the street
00:06:08.460 expectations, Steve. Of course, that was after numerous months where the street was surprised
00:06:12.800 to the downside. The key point is that most of the effect was in the services side. Services were up
00:06:19.100 over one percent. Core goods prices were up only four tenths of a percent. And most important of all,
00:06:25.920 Steve, is we've got data also through July. You are seeing no effect whatsoever of the tariffs on
00:06:32.920 consumer prices. So when you look at tariffs, all the money started to come in in April.
00:06:37.920 We're running at nearly up nearly a hundred billion in tariff revenue since April. And over that time,
00:06:44.240 all consumer goods prices, they're not even up one percent at annualized rate. Apparel prices are
00:06:50.760 basically flat. Auto prices since then, since the tariff revenue picked up, are down over two percent
00:06:57.000 annualized. So while today's PPI surprised people to the upside, consumers, households, they are not
00:07:04.000 seeing these higher prices. Doesn't this pretend, though, that this could roll through in the actual
00:07:14.640 numbers to consumers we could see in a couple of months? Are you guys concerned about that?
00:07:18.740 Steve, it could happen. But again, you were taking in that $30 billion in revenue a month.
00:07:25.640 Why wouldn't it show up already in consumer prices? Remember, the street, the overwhelming
00:07:30.760 consensus was we were going to see it in consumer prices in March. It didn't happen in March, June,
00:07:38.520 July. So, I mean, could it happen? Sure. But it seems at this point, it's highly unlikely,
00:07:43.680 given the fact we've been taking in record tariff revenues. Demand is improving. We look at weekly
00:07:49.880 chain store sales. They're really robust. There's just no evidence at this point that it's going to
00:07:54.360 be passed along. I mean, President Trump has been exactly correct on this.
00:08:00.580 If, let's, for this conversation, assume you're pretty good on the analytics. It's not tariffs,
00:08:08.080 and that's not rolling through. The numbers themselves, is this because of, which our theory
00:08:12.740 of the case is, is because we still have a Keynesian stimulus with this massive, the massive
00:08:18.400 deficits. And I keep warning people, I know what the games are being played on Capitol Hill,
00:08:24.140 and this audience knows the games. The Senate's going to come back. You're not going to have the
00:08:28.120 individual appropriations bills done. And they're going to put a omnibus, slide it in the third week of
00:08:35.400 September, and say, gosh, we don't want to shut down President Trump's government, so we've got to
00:08:39.280 do an omnibus. And that omnibus is going to have a two, two and a half trillion deficit for fiscal year
00:08:44.900 26, coming off of, I don't know, a two trillion dollar deficit we're going to have now. Don't we have
00:08:51.280 to, at some point, grapple with the spending, and particularly the deficit spending, if we want to
00:08:57.220 get rid of this inflation, sir? We certainly need to deal with the deficit for a whole host of reasons.
00:09:03.040 And the point, Steve, you're raising is key because President Trump now knows this. He's got
00:09:07.920 the experience. He's got the vigilance on this. As does Secretary Besson, the good news on the deficit
00:09:13.640 is that if you look at the spending numbers, they really started to accelerate last summer going into
00:09:20.840 the fall. The cynic would say that's because someone wanted to lift the spending numbers to
00:09:26.760 increase the chance they would win in the election. When President Trump took office, if we look at the
00:09:31.680 deficit numbers, which they were running way ahead of 24, the numbers now are starting to shrink. In other
00:09:37.040 words, the administration, this administration, has been slowing the pace of spending. We're almost
00:09:42.320 neck and neck with where we were last year. At this time in the fiscal year-to-date budget deficit, we
00:09:47.800 should get very good tariff revenues in August and September, which makes me upbeat. I'm hopeful, Steve,
00:09:53.720 what you say on this omnibus bill doesn't come to pass. And as I said, I think President Trump is
00:09:58.620 now much wiser to the ways of Washington, and hopefully he'll push back against it.
00:10:06.600 Secretary Besson's objective, I think we're at 7% deficits to GDP, right? And that's unsustainable.
00:10:14.560 You saw that in France. You know, every country in Europe that's got this problem has had either
00:10:18.820 change of their parliament or a change of government. It's just not sustainable in today's capital markets.
00:10:23.440 Secretary Besson said, hey, over time, what I want to do is bend the arc and get to three, three and a
00:10:29.740 half percent. Do you think currently where we stand in spending in fiscal year 25, which is still
00:10:35.480 happening, right? And I realize there's been a couple of surprises there, although the tariff revenues
00:10:40.420 coming in in record numbers, there's still some surprises on size of monthly deficits.
00:10:47.260 Do you believe at Treasury that you guys are on the arc or on the path to bend the arc of this to get
00:10:54.600 down to three, three and a half percent deficit to GDP, sir? Absolutely, Steve, that in the one big
00:11:02.600 beautiful bill, spending relative to baseline was cut 1.5 trillion. That's a start. And we're hopeful
00:11:08.920 we could continue to make further progress. Moreover, if we grow at 3%, which is consistent with
00:11:15.120 President Trump's first term, we are going to raise roughly $4 trillion in more revenue just on the
00:11:21.380 growth relative to what CBO is predicting. You mentioned the tariffs. That could be upwards of
00:11:26.780 another $3 trillion. So the growth and the tariffs together could do a lot. And I'm hopeful, I'm an
00:11:33.220 optimist, Steve, that we'll do more on the spending side. But right now, we've made great progress.
00:11:37.900 We're optimists. As President Trump and Secretary Besson have been alluding to, we're at the start of a
00:11:42.780 golden age. There's a lot to be thankful for. But as you said earlier, we've got to make sure that
00:11:47.680 the spending doesn't somehow sneak in there and get ahead of us because we've made some great progress.
00:11:53.980 I think you've got growth. You've got so many things clicking. It's been pretty obvious if you
00:11:59.040 follow, we follow pretty closely, Secretary Besson, on all of his hits over the last, I don't know,
00:12:04.760 couple of days, I would say up to the last week. Affordability is the is the mantra. It keeps coming
00:12:10.980 back to that. It keeps coming back to Main Street and affordability. And if you see these numbers
00:12:16.180 today, what will you and the team that advises Secretary Besson be talking about vis-a-vis
00:12:23.440 affordability? Well, you know what's interesting, Steve? This is a bit of a numbers geek. One of the
00:12:29.400 big drivers on the good side was capital equipment. Prices of capital equipment went up. And that likely
00:12:35.480 reflects this massive CapEx comeback we're having that was engineered by excitement around the one
00:12:41.660 big, beautiful bill. As that now works its way through the system and companies invest more,
00:12:47.180 countries bring capital in, that is going to increase the economy's supply-side potential.
00:12:52.480 Just like in the first Trump administration, that will lower prices. It will increase living
00:12:57.180 standards. So affordability will continue to get better over time. As interest rates come down,
00:13:03.540 housing affordability, because affordability to buy a house is very low, because rates are too high,
00:13:08.300 that will also improve. So again, the forward, the outlook is excellent, especially as President
00:13:13.500 Trump's policies are taking hold.
00:13:19.200 To get to that 3.5% to 4% growth, Joe LaVornia, where do people go on your social media to find all
00:13:25.580 your analytics, sir?
00:13:28.020 At LaVornianomics, Steve.
00:13:29.380 Thank you. Appreciate you coming out here this morning, sir.
00:13:34.740 Thank you, Steve.
00:13:37.640 Treasury is aggressive.
00:13:42.240 I'd like to get HHS like that.
00:13:45.000 I think inside the government we need to be, boom, let's be in sales mode, right?
00:13:52.140 You got a lot to sell. Get out there and talk about it.
00:13:54.700 Put forth your best arguments.
00:13:57.840 A massive 48 to 72 hours.
00:14:02.240 We'll be covering all live here in the war room, this afternoon, tomorrow, Saturday.
00:14:07.560 Not just the Russian rapprochement, it's so much seizing the institution's blowback.
00:14:13.240 Gavin Newsom, I think it's 1130 Pacific Daylight Time.
00:14:18.060 He's coming out, throwing down hard.
00:14:19.860 He's running for president on this.
00:14:22.220 He's saying that he is going to propose a map today in California that he will get
00:14:27.800 constitutionally changed.
00:14:29.440 They can do it.
00:14:30.240 That will not only thwart the efforts we're doing in Texas and in Florida, but that will
00:14:36.860 lead to the impeachment of President Trump.
00:14:39.720 So it's game on.
00:14:42.600 Of course, the feckless Texas leadership of Abbott, quite embarrassing.
00:14:48.540 They're ending one session a day.
00:14:50.180 Going to start another.
00:14:50.840 We're going to get into all of it.
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00:16:57.160 Bigger than just what is happening in D.C. with the police force, the National Guard being
00:17:01.480 deployed on the streets.
00:17:02.500 They're expanding that tonight, as what we've been told by the White House.
00:17:05.440 He was at the Kennedy Center today.
00:17:07.080 You know, the other day he was calling it the Trump slash Kennedy Center, saying, whoops.
00:17:10.720 I mean, the Kennedy Center, obviously he's handpicking these nominees and these honorees that are
00:17:16.180 going to get honored later on this year.
00:17:18.680 I wonder what you make of that, plus the Smithsonian, just this wide lens of what exactly he has
00:17:25.140 been undertaking in the last few weeks.
00:17:26.480 Look, the narrow lens in terms of the Kennedy Center honors and specifically, say, Gloria
00:17:31.880 Gaynor, who's obviously a very talented musician.
00:17:34.660 But it feels like, to some extent, an extended Trump rally playlist.
00:17:39.080 You know, the broader sense, to your question about culture, he is trying not just to leave
00:17:43.560 an imprint on the type of culture that exists in Washington, D.C. and in the rest of the country,
00:17:49.120 but he is trying to control what that could be.
00:17:52.340 Now, what his supporters will say is, when it comes to the Smithsonian, it's just a review.
00:17:56.920 They haven't done anything yet, but they actually have done a lot of things across the board
00:18:01.260 in other ways that suggest exactly where their head is.
00:18:04.820 And so, yes, this is a—they have long—the Trump administration and Republicans have long
00:18:10.080 complained about cancel culture, quote-unquote, but they are now imposing a different kind of
00:18:15.500 cultural control.
00:18:16.740 Seriousness.
00:18:17.280 We can joke about this and say, oh, this is just the arts.
00:18:19.940 Okay, but then take it to the Smithsonian.
00:18:23.480 Take it to—we are watching this administration change history, right?
00:18:29.320 Change how the public receives history in our most important museums.
00:18:33.280 I have a lot of worries.
00:18:35.340 And obviously, there are parallels to Stalin here, and so there are concerning things.
00:18:40.160 But I don't know.
00:18:41.020 I think that the Smithsonian staff is pretty steeped in history.
00:18:44.800 They're pretty serious people, pretty woke.
00:18:47.500 And God willing, if we ever get out of this nightmare that we're living, I don't think
00:18:52.580 history is going to be erased forever.
00:18:54.120 We have an internet now.
00:18:55.520 We have books.
00:18:56.360 I just—I don't—I don't think Donald Trump is that powerful.
00:18:58.840 The temptation is bad.
00:19:00.920 Like, the fact that he wants to do it is bad.
00:19:02.900 I don't like it.
00:19:03.740 But I just have—I have more pressing concerns.
00:19:05.620 Can I be Debbie Downer again?
00:19:07.340 Sure.
00:19:07.660 Yes, you have 20 seconds.
00:19:08.840 The letter that was sent was by the domestic policy advisor.
00:19:11.320 The domestic policy advisor is involved in education, health care, every single facet
00:19:15.160 of the American public.
00:19:16.400 If that person is involved in revising Smithsonian history, we're in some deep doo-doo.
00:19:20.540 I'm just really dismayed by how the media apparatus—we ain't rose to the collective
00:19:26.060 occasion here on this one.
00:19:27.860 We got—this is—it's crazy, but it's intentional.
00:19:31.380 And they're doing it because you take a hold of the culture, because then you can control
00:19:35.680 what is popular, what is real, what is inspirational or not.
00:19:41.200 Donald Trump is coming right out of the Orban playbook, baby.
00:19:44.460 This is Stalin.
00:19:45.260 This is Stalin.
00:19:45.880 This is Stalin.
00:19:46.180 With some tongues wagging.
00:19:47.640 With more tongues.
00:19:48.880 All your favorite dictators.
00:19:50.480 This is what they like to do.
00:19:54.480 Ambassador Rick Grinnell joins us now, the executive director over at the Kennedy Center.
00:19:58.680 Ambassador Grinnell got a personal shout-out from the president of the United States yesterday
00:20:02.960 after the announcements.
00:20:04.420 Ambassador, can you tell us what's going on at the Kennedy Center?
00:20:07.580 We could have played hours of Meltdown last night on MSNBC and CNN about the event yesterday.
00:20:14.100 Can you put this in perspective for us, sir?
00:20:17.240 Well, I kind of love the fact that the New York Times elitist Maggie Haberman doesn't like
00:20:23.060 Gloria Gaynor, the black woman who is a celebrated hero to not only the disco movement, but to music.
00:20:33.340 And the fact that she, Maggie Haberman, decides to just go after Gloria Gaynor, I think says
00:20:39.600 a whole lot about who the elites at the New York Times are targeting.
00:20:45.520 They don't like people to speak out of turn.
00:20:49.540 They certainly attack a whole bunch of female Republicans or pro-life Republicans or gay Republicans or people of color Republicans.
00:21:01.660 They want this whole situation to be controlled.
00:21:06.660 And so when they're losing control, they somehow say, oh, the other side is taking control.
00:21:11.820 But, Steve, let's just be really clear.
00:21:13.980 We have a list of Kennedy Center honorees who the public has been asking for.
00:21:20.360 If you looked at the Kennedy Center website and the comment section, these are individuals that have been—the public has been asking to win the awards for years.
00:21:32.880 Now, they've been dismissed.
00:21:35.240 They haven't been given the chance.
00:21:37.720 But we need to take back places like the Kennedy Center from the woke left who took it and strangled it.
00:21:47.320 And what we're trying to do is bring it back to life, financially bring it back to life, have common sense programming that appeals to everyone.
00:21:55.280 Remember, this is a fact, and I would remind Maggie Haberman about this.
00:22:00.500 We have never canceled a single thing at the Kennedy Center.
00:22:04.380 The people who left are the ones who ran out of the room because they couldn't perform for conservatives.
00:22:10.740 We are proud of the fact that we haven't canceled anyone.
00:22:14.860 We've made one simple change to the programming, which is if you can't sell enough seats for your program to pay the bills, then you need to find a sponsor so that we don't go in debt with all of the programming.
00:22:30.900 Now, I actually do love niche programming in the arts.
00:22:34.660 I'm willing to do it when I have some money, but we have just been in a situation, financial situation, that we're trying to dig ourselves out of here at the Kennedy Center, and we're doing a good job.
00:22:47.500 We have balanced the budget for this year and for next year.
00:22:50.460 We've made some very hard cuts, and we've made demands that the programming needs to be revenue neutral.
00:22:57.500 I don't think that that's partisan.
00:22:59.220 I think transparency is not partisan.
00:23:01.800 What we're trying to do is spend the money wisely and appeal to everyone.
00:23:07.360 Again, we're not the crowd that's booing people when they show up at a program at the Kennedy Center because we don't agree with someone's politics.
00:23:16.940 It's the woke left that ran out of the room with Hamilton.
00:23:20.960 It's the woke left that boos people when they enter the room because they don't like their beliefs and the issues that they stand for.
00:23:29.280 And so I just want everyone to be welcome.
00:23:32.160 I don't care who you voted for.
00:23:33.560 You need to come to the Kennedy Center, buy a ticket, enjoy being entertained by Broadway shows like Les Mis, which had an outstanding run, more than 30 percent above projections.
00:23:48.840 We made money on Les Mis.
00:23:50.720 You know, when I went over for the Amadeus, which was spectacular with the Coral Society, the National Symphony, the film, Pact House, I was impressed by the staff that came up to me.
00:24:06.160 And we're so thankful the president actually come with you and done a complete tour, not just the operations, but the building itself and made recommendations.
00:24:14.540 I think a lot of us knew that President Trump being a builder and, you know, his focus on rejuvenating the beauty, as he said yesterday, the great bones of the Kennedy Center, knew, Ambassador, that you had him very involved in that.
00:24:27.780 I think what surprised a lot of us pleasantly was how involved on the content side – correct me if I'm wrong.
00:24:34.960 Is the president – is he going to actually host the Kennedy Center Awards and was he actively involved in the selection here?
00:24:41.940 Because I think yesterday seemed so personal from him.
00:24:45.220 It took a lot of us by – pleasantly by surprise.
00:24:49.100 Look, we've had multiple committees of people who have been nominating different people to win the awards, right?
00:24:57.380 We probably had 300 different people that we considered, people that were not on the list before.
00:25:04.920 One of the rules that we have is if you won it once, you don't get to win it twice.
00:25:09.040 And so these would all be brand new people from a whole bunch of different genres.
00:25:13.640 And then the system that we have in place here at the Kennedy Center began to narrow it down.
00:25:20.820 And then the board got involved.
00:25:23.140 So we've had multiple committees, the board of which President Trump is the chairman, and he's had an opinion on all of this as well.
00:25:31.500 And so it's been an incredibly collaborative process.
00:25:35.440 And what we decided is to really make this the best honors that it could be.
00:25:42.340 Let's have the president of the United States come out, welcome people.
00:25:47.400 Let's have the president of the United States talk about each of these five people.
00:25:52.240 I can't think of a better honor for the five honorees than to have the president of the United States, no matter who it is, talk about their life career.
00:26:02.500 Talk about all of the great things that they've done.
00:26:05.000 This is the most honored moment I could think of is to have the president fully involved.
00:26:13.020 Luckily, we have a president right now who can come out and do live television, who can do audience, you know, content.
00:26:24.460 And we haven't had a president in the past that's been able to do that.
00:26:27.960 So I think that this is a fantastic moment for the Kennedy Center, a fantastic moment for the five honorees to have the president of the United States give us the time and attention to honor these individuals.
00:26:39.680 I'm really excited about it.
00:26:43.020 Ambassador, what's your social media handle?
00:26:45.500 You're wearing about 10 caps right now, doing great work around the world, whether in Eurasia and Latin America and in our own beloved nation's capital for the president of the United States.
00:26:55.160 Where do people go to keep up with you?
00:26:57.680 Thanks, Steve.
00:26:58.760 I'm on Twitter at Richard Grinnell.
00:27:01.100 I'm on Truth at Grinnell.
00:27:03.420 I'm on Instagram at Richard Grinnell.
00:27:05.980 And give a follow.
00:27:10.040 From Los Angeles to Venezuela to the Eurasian landmass, the Balkans in Washington, D.C., the Kennedy Center.
00:27:19.220 Ambassador Rick Grinnell.
00:27:20.440 Ambassador, thank you so much for joining us this morning in the war room.
00:27:23.880 Thanks, my friend.
00:27:24.480 Amazing.
00:27:28.260 This is called seizing the institution.
00:27:29.980 President Trump, you see, very involved with the board.
00:27:32.700 300.
00:27:33.940 So let's put the rest, this false smear by the left.
00:27:37.800 300 people considered.
00:27:39.180 I know that there were hundreds considered.
00:27:43.500 I might actually have thrown in a couple of names myself as recommendations.
00:27:46.860 An incredibly complicated process, collaborative, all the way to the board, different subcommittees, and selected.
00:27:56.820 And I got to tell you, I think he hit it dead spot on.
00:27:59.660 This is going to be the biggest award ceremony of the season, finally, to put the Kennedy Center Awards, the nominees, and have the president of the United States intimately involved.
00:28:12.320 Seize the institutions from Washington, D.C.
00:28:17.760 Next, the repository of our history, the Smithsonian Institute with Roger Kimball.
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00:29:35.540 Joke about this and say, oh, this is just the arts.
00:29:38.560 Okay, but then take it to the Smithsonian.
00:29:42.120 Take it to we are watching this administration change history, right?
00:29:47.960 Change how the public receives history in our most important museums.
00:29:52.080 I have a lot of worries, and obviously there are parallels to Stalin here, and so there are concerning things.
00:29:58.780 But I don't know.
00:29:59.680 I think that the Smithsonian staff is pretty steeped in history.
00:30:03.660 They're pretty serious people, pretty woke.
00:30:05.640 And God willing, if we ever get out of this nightmare that we're living, I don't think history is going to be erased forever.
00:30:12.740 We have an Internet now.
00:30:14.140 We have books.
00:30:14.980 I don't think Donald Trump is that powerful.
00:30:17.480 The temptation is bad.
00:30:19.620 Like, the fact that he wants to do it is bad.
00:30:21.520 I don't like it.
00:30:22.380 But I just have more pressing concerns.
00:30:24.500 Can I be Debbie Downer again?
00:30:25.960 Sure.
00:30:26.440 You have 20 seconds.
00:30:27.240 The letter that was sent was by the domestic policy advisor.
00:30:29.840 The domestic policy advisor is involved in education, health care, every single facet of the American public.
00:30:34.960 If that person is involved in revising Smithsonian history, we're in some deep doo-doo.
00:30:41.100 Yeah, Stephen, he'd be talking about Stephen Miller and Vince Haley, the head of the Domestic Policy Council, and the deputy chief of staff and Vince Haley, right?
00:30:52.380 And Vince, great job.
00:30:54.760 Attaboy.
00:30:56.420 But that guy right there got it in how serious this is.
00:30:59.200 So, Roger Kimball, is this Stalin?
00:31:02.380 Are we rewriting history here?
00:31:05.700 Tim Miller, formerly Bush's spokesman, and I knew Tim back when he was a cub.
00:31:11.680 He was head of the RNC's comms department.
00:31:15.140 People ought to embrace that.
00:31:17.400 Tim's sitting there saying the Smithsonian are serious people.
00:31:21.560 They've been putting out serious history.
00:31:23.940 Roger Kimball, what say you, sir?
00:31:25.480 Well, I thought that's the funniest thing I've heard in quite a while.
00:31:31.300 And I like the conjunction of he described the staff of the Smithsonian as woke, which is probably true.
00:31:37.900 And then in the same breath said that they were serious people.
00:31:42.400 Those two things do not go together.
00:31:44.120 If you are woke, by definition, you are not serious.
00:31:49.660 And I am just amazed at what President Trump is doing.
00:31:55.720 From the moment he took office, one of his first acts, of course, was to eradicate the racist practice of DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion in universities and throughout the federal government.
00:32:16.360 Bravo.
00:32:17.900 But issuing an executive order is one thing.
00:32:22.920 Actually making it come true is something else again.
00:32:27.440 And this last March, he issued another executive order about bringing truth and sanity back to our cultural institutions.
00:32:36.480 And he mentions by name the Smithsonian.
00:32:39.500 But it was only with the letter of just a couple days ago sent by the head of the domestic policy project and Russell Voight, head of office budget,
00:32:53.880 and one other person that said, we know, this is to the director of the Smithsonian, we're going to conduct an internal review.
00:33:03.740 And it was very specific.
00:33:05.460 We're going to look at your exhibitions.
00:33:08.180 We're going to look at your curatorial practices.
00:33:11.880 We're going to look at your criteria for selection.
00:33:14.780 And we're going to look at the wall labels, all the texts, the accompanying social media, everything that you do in order to be sure that the Smithsonian,
00:33:31.380 all these hundred or so museums and related activities,
00:33:36.820 to make sure that they are aligning with the president's vision of making America great again,
00:33:44.140 of telling the truth about America.
00:33:46.300 Because as one commentator said,
00:33:50.660 much of what the Smithsonian does is true enough to mislead and obscure enough to indoctrinate.
00:33:59.260 And what you see is a clever, systematic process of trying to tell the story of America
00:34:12.340 as if it were primarily a story of oppression, which is a distorted view of America.
00:34:21.100 The story of America is not the story of oppression, of environmental disaster, of tyrannical deployment of power.
00:34:32.540 The story of America is the story of liberation from the very beginning.
00:34:40.640 And to obscure that story is to do a huge disservice to the people of this country.
00:34:49.680 And make no mistake, Steve, the Smithsonian Institution is an incredibly potent institution.
00:35:00.000 It's represented, has activities and satellites in almost every state.
00:35:07.480 It is perhaps the largest mirror that people will look into and hope to see the image of what America is like.
00:35:19.120 And unfortunately, over the last several decades, that image has been a distorted one.
00:35:26.400 And I'm glad that the president is moving very rapidly to write that image.
00:35:36.820 Because the only way that his common sense agenda that he talked about in his inaugural address,
00:35:45.920 the only way that that is going to come to fruition is if he can occupy the institutional heights of the country.
00:35:56.520 That means the universities.
00:35:58.620 It means cultural institutions like the Kennedy Center that you were just talking about.
00:36:03.300 And it means institutions like the Smithsonian Institution.
00:36:06.960 So, you know, I wrote this.
00:36:12.420 Yeah, go ahead.
00:36:13.720 No, hang on a second.
00:36:15.920 Hang on a second.
00:36:16.800 Yeah.
00:36:17.240 I got you on here for a reason.
00:36:19.540 Okay.
00:36:19.940 This is Seize the Institutions.
00:36:21.720 The Smithsonian Institute is one of the most powerful institutions in this country.
00:36:27.240 A young man 25 years ago wrote one of the most powerful books I've read about modern America.
00:36:33.260 That guy was Roger Kimball.
00:36:36.100 This was deemed by the Times Literary Supplement as one of the books of the year, I think, of the year 2000.
00:36:42.660 It's called The Long March.
00:36:44.760 It's how the cultural revolution of the 1960s changed America.
00:36:48.680 It is about the long march to the institutions.
00:36:51.760 Why do we have Zoran Mandami leading in New York City?
00:36:56.800 It's because of the long march to the institutions and public schools.
00:37:00.600 We have to – the Trump revolution will mean nothing if we don't deconstruct the administrative state and destroy the deep state in the process and seize the cultural institutions in this country and get them back to American greatness.
00:37:17.440 Make them – make those institutions great again.
00:37:21.120 That's what this is about, Roger Kimball.
00:37:22.600 Well, you laid out the blueprint 25 years ago of how the left had done it.
00:37:26.580 Tell us how they did it and how Trump is reversing this by seizing these institutions.
00:37:31.380 And from Maggie Haberman to MSNBC, they are beyond throwing their toys out of the pram.
00:37:36.860 They're infuriated that the populist movement has seized control here, sir.
00:37:41.760 Yes, well, the little clip you showed at the beginning of the person who described what's going on at the Smithsonian as Stalinist, I think that tells you a lot of what you need to know.
00:37:55.980 They are right to be worried.
00:37:57.540 They were right to be panicked by the prospect of the return of Donald Trump because they knew that his populist counter-revolution would change everything.
00:38:11.880 It would change not just the political texture of Washington, D.C.
00:38:16.820 It would also change the institutional footprint and the institutional identity of this country.
00:38:23.680 And it's this that Trump is doing right now with places like the Kennedy Center and the Smithsonian that distinguishes him from other great presidents, even Ronald Reagan.
00:38:34.300 Reagan, for all of his greatness, and I'm a fan of Ronald Reagan's, he ended the Cold War and so on, unleashed the greatest accumulation of wealth in history.
00:38:46.060 He did a lot of good things.
00:38:47.180 But the important thing that he didn't do, that Donald Trump is doing, is he made nary a dent in the institutional life of the country, those institutions that are occupied by the self-appointed elite.
00:39:08.420 Because it is those institutions, the universities and places like the Smithsonian and the Kennedy Center, those institutions that transmit the identity of the culture.
00:39:21.900 And if you have those institutions captive by the left, by people who hate America, who hate normality, who hate the good, the true, and the beautiful,
00:39:35.560 and who seek to transform the identity of the country into something that celebrates, for example, George Floyd, an exhibition, a film at the Smithsonian, it says George Floyd is comparable, his death was comparable to the death of Jesus Christ.
00:40:00.760 Now, what does that mean?
00:40:03.620 At the Smithsonian, when they celebrate women, they're careful also to celebrate so-called trans women, that is to say, men pretending to be women.
00:40:14.700 This is not what most Americans want.
00:40:18.220 And it's Trump's genius to be able to change those institutions.
00:40:23.280 Okay, we want to change the institutions.
00:40:25.600 The engine room of the worm is on fire right now, because I'm making a point.
00:40:29.180 Trump and Grinnell went over to Kennedy Center, and they blew out the board, put new board members in, many people we know, some just amazing people culturally, made Trump the head of it.
00:40:40.540 Next thing you know, you've got a complete change in programming yet, but, you know, they're making money.
00:40:45.520 Everything's going to sit on its own bottom.
00:40:47.280 You've got to sell tickets or just everything, right?
00:40:49.720 They're doing it from top to bottom.
00:40:50.920 You saw the Kennedy Awards.
00:40:52.200 Here, you've got Vince Haley, who's a great guy.
00:40:54.240 We love Vince.
00:40:54.900 And Miller, fantastic.
00:40:55.980 And they're sending a letter saying, we're going to review this, we're going to review this, we're going to review this.
00:40:59.940 You have a, as we're reminded, you have a board of regents that are many members of Congress.
00:41:04.620 Why are we not blowing these guys?
00:41:06.800 These guys have been sitting around.
00:41:08.580 The board of the Smithsonian is just as lax as the board over at the Kennedy Center.
00:41:12.700 Why are we not blowing these guys out and replacing them with the Roger Kimbles of the world, sir?
00:41:18.220 Yes.
00:41:18.660 Well, it's early days, Steve.
00:41:20.240 That letter went out, I think, on Monday, maybe Tuesday.
00:41:23.940 Today is Thursday.
00:41:25.400 Let's see what happens.
00:41:26.460 I looked at that, the list of the board of regents, and I think it's due for an upgrade.
00:41:36.260 I would agree with that.
00:41:38.280 Kimball, would you, if so, if the president came to you with some ideas or Grinnell came to you and said, hey, we want some ideas about this board.
00:41:47.580 Would you serve on the board of the Smithsonian Institute and help the president redirect this institution, sir?
00:41:56.000 Probably the answer would be yes.
00:41:57.820 I would need to find out what was involved, but yeah, probably I would.
00:42:03.500 What would be involved is getting some scalps.
00:42:06.960 This is going to, it's going to be messy work.
00:42:08.880 These institutions are, they're locked in, they're locked in.
00:42:12.200 They're just, they think we're blowing through town.
00:42:14.240 That's why the Kennedy Center, you have to seize the institutions like the left did.
00:42:18.720 The left sees the schools.
00:42:20.560 They seize the universities, the cloud, Piven.
00:42:23.200 These people understand, like in the Bolshevik revolution, Marxist revolution, you seize the institution.
00:42:29.700 And guess what?
00:42:30.700 If there's got to be a little, if it's got to be messy, it's got to be messy.
00:42:33.980 But on the other side, you have control of it.
00:42:37.020 Hang on for a second.
00:42:37.900 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:42:39.160 Roger, sit right there.
00:42:39.720 Same thing with the universities, yes.
00:42:41.320 Because we've only got, when you take these, by the way, you take these institutional, this is what's happening in Washington, D.C.
00:42:47.880 Let's deploy a couple of thousand combat troops.
00:42:50.620 Let's deploy a couple thousand National Guard.
00:42:52.680 You saw them last night on the streets of D.C.
00:42:55.760 The country's out of control.
00:42:57.640 The institutions are still controlled by the left.
00:43:00.760 Still controlled by the ruling class.
00:43:02.520 When you say seize them, let's seize them.
00:43:05.640 Blow out what the problem is and purge and rejuvenate.
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00:44:25.460 He's making more radical changes to the country and to the White House that will live well beyond his presidency.
00:44:32.480 And I think part of it is because he now knows how government works.
00:44:35.720 I think one of the things that really is the key difference between the first term and the second term is that he had a whole host of characters in the government that were trying to stymie his efforts to radically change the country.
00:44:47.000 He's now surrounded by people that are fully supportive of his agenda and helping him do it.
00:44:51.280 He is way more effective at accomplishing his agenda with having that time out of office because a lot of his A's, Russ Vo, those sorts of officials, spent their time out of government planning for this term.
00:45:02.820 And so what they've done is an onslaught of executive orders in the first six months that accomplished a lot of their goals very quickly because he knew what they wanted to do.
00:45:10.940 The difference in the first and the second is that we took those four years and people went to work, particularly on seizing the institutions.
00:45:19.140 He's got deals. He's breaking the universities, the arrogance of the universities.
00:45:24.880 He's breaking the media. He's now taking on the cultural institutions.
00:45:28.500 But all three of those, the universities, the media and the cultural institutions, they think they're going to wait us out.
00:45:37.900 This is why everything's urgent. We should have a recess appointments.
00:45:41.820 We have to have a sense of urgency on this.
00:45:43.720 The MAGA-Gromsey, Roger Kimball joins us. Roger, your thoughts.
00:45:51.140 Well, I think you're absolutely right, Steve.
00:45:53.860 It was an act of providence that Donald Trump was not seated after he won the 2020 election
00:46:02.780 because that gave him time to reflect on what went wrong.
00:46:08.300 And it gave his team time to understand what had to be done if he was really going to be able to make America great again.
00:46:18.560 And it's not just the executive orders are great.
00:46:21.160 They articulate a vision.
00:46:22.780 But that is step one.
00:46:25.280 As I was saying before the break, what he has done, what Donald Trump has done,
00:46:29.860 that no other recent president, maybe any president ever has done,
00:46:34.440 is he has understood that the institutions that define America have been captured by the left.
00:46:43.400 They need to be decapitated.
00:46:47.320 He's beginning that work at places like Columbia and Harvard and the University of California.
00:46:54.520 But all of the people who occupy those institutions and the ambient spirit of those institutions,
00:47:06.480 they feel that they can just hold on for another three and a half years.
00:47:12.140 They can wait it out.
00:47:13.480 Maybe they'll get a lucky break in the 2026 midterm election.
00:47:17.220 I don't think so, but maybe.
00:47:18.680 What Trump is doing is he is beginning very methodically and very radically to go into these institutions,
00:47:27.800 like the Harvards and the Columbias and the Yales and the University of California's.
00:47:33.760 And he is turning them upside down, really.
00:47:39.660 He is going to—there will be a lot of new people there.
00:47:43.040 That is—that's—it's a famous phrase, personnel is policy.
00:47:49.160 Personnel is policy.
00:47:51.320 And Donald Trump understands that.
00:47:53.660 At the Smithsonian Institution, this internal review, it's very thorough.
00:47:59.080 And it's not just going to affect the public-facing exhibitions at the Smithsonian.
00:48:05.680 It's going to change the whole spirit of the institution.
00:48:10.760 I believe we're just on the very threshold of a radical rethinking of what these cultural institutions that were.
00:48:20.620 After all, these institutions are entrusted with preserving and transmitting the highest values of our culture.
00:48:29.620 That's why we give them the prestige, the tax-exempt status, all of the social largesse that they enjoy.
00:48:39.720 That's why.
00:48:40.960 But what happens if over a period of time they have actually been converted?
00:48:46.860 What happens if instead of trying to preserve and transmit the highest values of our culture,
00:48:53.820 they are actually working to subvert it?
00:48:57.080 And I would—it's not a novel observation to say that that's what primarily what many of—most of our universities and colleges,
00:49:05.220 and indeed the entire school system is doing, they are carrying out a radical left-wing agenda.
00:49:14.020 And Donald Trump sees it.
00:49:15.560 The American people see it.
00:49:17.300 And I believe that he is just at the beginning of turning it around.
00:49:22.500 It will only happen if he can remake these institutions.
00:49:28.240 It's not just a matter of finding Columbia or Harvard or the University of California.
00:49:34.660 There has to be real radical change, and that means a change of personnel and a change of the spirit.
00:49:42.780 So to get them back to what they are supposed to be doing.
00:49:45.880 Roger Kimball, people are going to—this is going to be manifested, folks, in November in New York City.
00:49:53.940 Write that down.
00:49:54.860 Take your number two pencil and write that down.
00:49:56.740 The cultural rot and subversion of this nation with this now red-green alliance,
00:50:02.420 it's neo-Marxist and radical jihad, it's going to manifest itself in the Smiley Zorhan in New York City.
00:50:11.540 Roger, your social media, where do people go to all your sites, your book publishing, social media, all of it, your journals?
00:50:20.040 Where do they go?
00:50:21.060 Yeah, so I'm the editor of The New Criterion.
00:50:23.360 That's newcriterion.com.
00:50:25.200 I'm the publisher of Encounter Books.
00:50:27.000 That's encounterbooks.com, and my X handle is Roger Kimball.
00:50:33.520 So it's all pretty straightforward.
00:50:37.120 Pretty simple.
00:50:38.140 Roger, thank you.
00:50:38.940 Very calm, bowtie-wearing, very calm, revolutionary.
00:50:42.580 A radical.
00:50:43.560 The long march through the institutions.
00:50:45.880 Roger, thank you so much.
00:50:47.200 Great to chat, Steve.
00:50:48.640 Bye.
00:50:51.500 Gramsci, right there.
00:50:52.820 Maga Gramsci.
00:50:54.980 Andrew Breitbart understood this.
00:50:56.660 He understood it better than anybody and before anybody.
00:51:01.040 Vince Haley understands it.
00:51:02.580 Stephen Miller understands it.
00:51:04.980 Now we've got to get down.
00:51:06.280 We've got to get into these institutions, start taking, got to work with the engineering
00:51:09.520 and the architecture, the plumbing, all of it.
00:51:12.820 Seize the high ground.
00:51:14.200 Seize the institutions.
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