00:00:00.000First, they hate nationalism, they hate populism, they hate MAGA, they particularly hate President Trump because he's the leader of our movement and he can't be beaten, right?
00:00:08.940If he's on the ticket, they can't beat us.
00:00:11.060So Swalwell called him after everything President Trump is doing, after everything President Trump did in Alaska, convening something, as you know, Eric, has not been done since the Second World War to bring these heads of the governments over to try to talk peace.
00:00:24.100Swalwell calls him yesterday on MSNBC.
00:00:26.600MSNBC, I guess they call it, no, we'll call it, he's a Russian asset.
00:01:12.340Well, Steve, we're seeing just two pieces.
00:01:14.780Number one, I'm hearing that the meeting, the multi-lab, has ended with the various heads of state from the EU, as well as the European Commission.
00:01:24.800But just before the end of the meeting was originally scheduled to run until about – we're way beyond schedule, put it that way.
00:01:35.080He interrupted the meeting to make a phone call right there in the middle of the meeting with all of the heads of state there to Vladimir Putin.
00:01:44.500And we're waiting to see whether or not he stepped aside to make that meeting or to make that phone call to Putin directly.
00:01:51.200Originally, we were told that he was going to call Putin after the meeting.
00:01:54.500He called Putin in the middle of the meeting.
00:01:57.980And it wouldn't surprise me, Steve, if he put him on speakerphone for everyone around that table in the East Room to hear.
00:02:41.540Because the land swap looked like the most complicated part of it.
00:02:44.860We'll talk about the security guarantees in a minute.
00:02:46.680But the land swap looked like it was quite complicated and would take a while for those guys to digest.
00:02:52.920Do you think he got him on for substance or for scheduling?
00:02:56.580Well, Steve, I think it's probably a little bit of both.
00:03:00.420I mean, keep in mind, we're hearing back and forth that the president, and I was able to report this in real time from Air Force One,
00:03:07.540the president is making phone calls all the time to all of these various leaders, whether it be Zelensky, whether it be Putin, whether it be the NATO leaders.
00:03:16.140We have the pomp and circumstance, which is taking place behind us with this multilateral meeting.
00:03:20.800But he's constantly working the phones, just like he did when he was a businessman there on Fifth Avenue.
00:03:25.460And so this, again and again and again, is he's making these negotiations as events run in real time.
00:03:34.100And it wouldn't surprise me, though, if the territory is coming down on this, because, look, that's something that Putin brought up in Anchorage.
00:03:41.940We were there at the Anchorage Accords on Friday.
00:03:43.900And he made the point to say we would be willing to forego, where was it, Zaporizhia and Kherson, up to and including what the Dnepr River in order to secure the peace deal now.
00:03:57.860That's something the Russian side was saying they were willing and able to do.
00:04:01.360But, Steve, on the security guarantee, we also heard earlier from the Kremlin, no American troops.
00:04:07.220That was something that Kremlin came out and said hard no to.
00:04:15.280How did Witkoff go on television and say yesterday on Jake Tapper, as you know, as soon as Witkoff said it, I'm blowing up Jack Posobiec's phone.
00:04:40.340Jack, how did that, because what Steve said is that in Friday in Anchorage, they got basically acknowledgement by the Russians that, and they called it a big win.
00:04:55.540They said a big win for having an American security guarantee, which would obviously, there's no, a security guarantee without some sort of occupation troops is nothing.
00:05:10.820How did the KGB come out today and say that's absolutely a nonstarter?
00:05:17.420Well, Steve, that really is going to come down to these questions.
00:05:20.580There was even an issue with the translation that I was told over the weekend that in the room they were using this in real-time translator that Putin said the word agreement, that Putin kept reaching, saying this word agreement.
00:05:32.760Then I go back home and I asked Tanya Tay, I said, how come he kept saying the word agreement, yet they came out and said anything?
00:05:38.200She said that wasn't the word agreement.
00:05:39.720She said that was the word understanding.
00:05:42.160He said we came to an understanding on certain things, which is very different, especially in a diplomatic context such as this, than saying the word agreement.
00:05:50.540So I don't know if this was a translation thing or something else like that, but certainly the Kremlin coming out today saying hard no, full stop to American troops in Ukraine.
00:06:00.060So I want to – the mainstream media, as much as President Trump's doing – and, Jack, give us a sense of the extraordinary nature of having all these heads of major allied powers with Zelensky.
00:06:15.300You have him there, and he's just getting eviscerated on MSNBC and CNN for all the good work he's doing.
00:06:23.760Nothing Trump can do – nothing Trump can do – I mean, this is back to the Rush Limbaugh.
00:06:27.160You can give them everything that they want, and it's still not good enough.
00:06:30.940I mean, he's getting beaten up, and you can see he's had enough of it because his true social post overnight and early this morning showed you he'd had a belly full of it, sir.
00:06:41.760Well, Steve, you mentioned CNN and the other network.
00:06:44.200I think you mean MSNOW because MSNOW is the name of that other network.
00:07:08.160And because – here's the dirty little secret – they don't want to have to give the acknowledgement that Donald Trump was the one to actually get this done.
00:07:19.320He was the one who was willing to have a sit-down meeting with Vladimir Putin.
00:07:22.140He was then on the very heels of that, picked up the phone, called Vladimir Zelensky.
00:07:26.700Now he's got him here at the White House.
00:07:28.000By the way, Steve, even in World War II, we never had a meeting like this of all the allied powers like we're having here at the White House.
00:07:38.220It's never been done before where we've seen something like this.
00:07:41.320President Trump said that he had his team going through the archives of the White House all the way back to 1799 to see if they could find any example of all of this amount of world leaders, this amount of European leaders coming to the White House.
00:07:55.280And so you've never seen anything like it.
00:07:57.320By the way, the press just – I mean, you could see it's down the line here.
00:08:00.940But even in the rain, Steve, there are hundreds and hundreds of members of the press here.
00:08:06.220By the way, something else that no one's ever going to give them credit for, the press team, Caroline Levitt, Stephen Chung, Alex Fyfe, all the rest of the folks on the press team all the way from top to bottom.
00:08:15.560They have the entire thing buttoned up.
00:08:42.740Like you said, during the height of World War II, you might go to Cairo or Tehran and have the top – the big four or the top three, which is a logistics nightmare.
00:08:52.020But you never had – even post-war, in the Cold War, Germany, France, Italy, the United Kingdom come in for something on the spur of the moment that's dealing in war and peace on a battlefield.
00:09:04.120And I think you see now why Putin didn't agree to cease fire.
00:09:09.840And, Steve, who was it that's really been in charge of all the public diplomacy here?
00:09:14.460And that's, of course, the great ambassador, Monica Crowley, so great friend of the war room, someone who's really been at the forefront of all of this.
00:09:23.960Even someone, I believe, coined the phrase reverse Nixon.
00:10:37.900And, Steve, I actually called you right after that meeting when we walked out of the multilat that they kept saying, well, that's going to be determined by the trilateral meeting.
00:10:45.020So they kept saying over and over and over as he went around the room to Mayers, to Maloney, to Keir Starmer, to all the rest, Alex Stubb, to all the rest, and even to Zelensky.
00:10:53.360They said, well, we're not going to know until we sit down with President Putin, until we sit down with Putin.
00:10:57.760And you could tell that President Trump was getting a little frustrated when he kept hearing that.
00:11:01.480He said, well, look, if that's the guy that I'm supposed to talk to, then why don't we just get him on the phone?
00:11:05.460And that's exactly what he did right in the middle of the meeting, breaking all diplomatic protocol.
00:11:17.540And he cares about stopping the killing, the killing that I saw on the ground there in 2022, the killing that we've seen all the way up to and continues even now on these front lines.
00:11:27.020Before we go to break, Jack, let's take a second and go to that.
00:11:32.020You've seen the killing up front and personal.
00:11:33.620You took one of those long train rides.
00:11:35.420You've been to Odessa, which should not be lost on people.
00:11:40.540Given where the battle lines are right now, where the Russian army is right now, compared to this big dispute of the territories, where do you say – is Putin showing any give-it-all or is he asking this all from the Ukrainians, sir?
00:11:56.920Well, Steve, what I would say to everyone on this is to understand that in the Russian political system, Vladimir Putin sits in the middle because there are people to his heart, right, that are saying, what are you doing sitting down with the Americans?
00:12:13.200What are you doing even agreeing to one of these things that they've blown through in the past, whether it be the Budapest memorandum, whether it be Minsk 1, whether it be Minsk 2?
00:12:22.860You need to sit down there, take all the way up to and including Odessa, the entire coastline, and then maybe, maybe allow them to have a bit of a rump state.
00:12:32.340So there's a huge hard line in Russia that's actually against these talks because they want them to go the whole way.
00:12:39.160And you're saying right now – I mean, but realistically, as the IDF is in Gaza, you know, quite worn out and really saying, hey, we don't know if we can actually finish this and particularly do an occupation.
00:12:53.700Can the Russian army, given the fact of how many casualties they've taken – I think they gave an official count I heard today of 950,000.
00:13:02.580That's kind of the now official number. It's not just something speculated.
00:13:07.280Can the Russian army – is there much more oomph there?
00:13:10.260I know they'll throw more bodies at it, but is there much more power in back of that?
00:13:15.480Well, Steve, that all depends on whether rules of engagement are in terms of the conflict.
00:13:20.280Look, when I was there in 2022, and I understand that it's been similar this way, there's trains that are still running.
00:13:25.520There's power systems that are still running, cell phone service that's still up in vast parts of Ukraine.
00:13:30.600So this has been a different kind of fight for the Russians because they still do view Ukraine as sort of their cousins, as is something that you hear from the Russians a lot.
00:13:39.740It's very different from the way that they fought, for example, in Chechnya, which absolutely was that hard, scrabble, tooth and nail kind of fighting with massive aerial bombardments.
00:13:50.980Jack, if you can hang on just for a few minutes, take a short commercial break.
00:13:53.720We're going to get you out of the weather.
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