Bannon's War Room - August 26, 2025


Episode 4733: Remembering Abbey Gate; Open Up Opportunities For Americans


Episode Stats

Length

54 minutes

Words per Minute

163.84685

Word Count

8,874

Sentence Count

663

Hate Speech Sentences

43


Summary

In this episode, we remember the brave young men and women who answered the call to serve their country, and the families who lost their lives in Afghanistan. We also pay our respects to those who died in Afghanistan, and remember those who were honorably discharged from the Marine Corps.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 On behalf of this beautiful group, on behalf of these families, on behalf of your loved ones who fought for our nation,
00:00:05.600 America deserves answers as far as what happened in Afghanistan.
00:00:09.560 The military needs to answer for what happened in Afghanistan.
00:00:12.600 So upon the president's direction, immediately we initiated an investigation which showed that there needed an even deeper dive.
00:00:19.440 So Sean Parnell, our Pentagon spokesman, who himself is an Afghanistan veteran, is leading this effort.
00:00:24.080 It's a top priority for us.
00:00:26.080 We're getting access to all the documents necessary, why decisions were made, why they weren't made, why certain force protection measures were ignored.
00:00:34.000 Again, there's never been accountability for this.
00:00:36.820 It's something that Joe Biden allowed to happen that never should have happened.
00:00:40.300 Anybody, any objective observer knows that's not how you leave a country.
00:00:43.980 And certainly these families know better than anyone else.
00:00:46.240 These families deserve answers.
00:00:48.140 We're going to be honest about it.
00:00:49.200 We're going to get to the bottom of it.
00:00:50.200 Sean Parnell, an Afghanistan vet, is leading it.
00:00:52.680 And we're doing it on behalf of the American people.
00:00:54.120 So I would anticipate middle of 2026.
00:00:57.580 That's how thorough of a review we're doing.
00:00:59.820 Hopefully a little bit sooner, but we're going into everything to get an understanding of what happened.
00:01:03.700 Very special proclamation done and completed.
00:01:07.960 Okay.
00:01:17.940 Oh, that's a good one.
00:01:19.500 That's our good one.
00:01:21.320 We rate them.
00:01:23.500 I don't put them under the auto pen.
00:01:25.200 I don't say, here, have them under the auto pen.
00:01:27.420 The United States Marine Corps Sergeant Joani Rosario Picardo was part of the Marines' female engagement team.
00:01:34.660 She was a native of Lawrence, Massachusetts, a 2014 graduate of Lawrence High School and attended Bridgewater State University.
00:01:42.080 She was full of light, armed with valor and bravery, but at the young age of 18 decided to raise her hand to serve our country as a member of the United States Marine Corps.
00:01:52.860 Corporal Humberto Sanchez, United States Marine Corps, was a native of Logansport, Indiana, 2017 graduate of Logansport High School.
00:02:02.760 He bravely answered the call to serve his nation.
00:02:05.860 He was honored to be putting on the Marine uniform and serve his country.
00:02:10.680 Staff Sergeant Ryan Noss, U.S. Army, motivated young man who loved his country from Knoxville, Tennessee.
00:02:17.880 He joined the Army shortly after graduating high school.
00:02:21.000 He was part of the 8th PSYOPs group and was looking forward to moving to D.C. upon his return home.
00:02:28.200 Staff Sergeant Darren Taylor Hoover, United States Marine Corps, known as Taylor, former high school football player from Midville, Utah.
00:02:39.320 He spent his entire adult life as a Marine for the last 11 years.
00:02:43.220 His father said his son did what he loved, was leading his men, and was with them to the end.
00:02:48.800 He loved the United States and proved it by his service.
00:02:52.800 Sergeant Nicole Gee, United States Marine Corps.
00:02:56.020 She was a Marine's Marine, loved helping people, and she did it until the end.
00:03:02.220 She's a native of Sacramento, California.
00:03:06.360 Lance Corporal Dylan Morala, United States Marine Corps, from Rancho Cucamonga, graduate of Los Osos High School,
00:03:15.180 had only been in Afghanistan two weeks, planned to study engineering in college after his military service.
00:03:21.600 His mom said he was kind, loving, and giving to every single person.
00:03:27.120 He would give anything for anybody.
00:03:32.400 Lance Corporal Kareem Nkawi, graduated from Norco High School in 2019.
00:03:42.000 He loved what he was doing.
00:03:43.860 He always wanted to be a Marine.
00:03:45.460 David Lee Espinosa, United States Marine Corps, Laredo, Texas, graduated from Lyndon B. Johnson High School, grew up in Rio Bravo.
00:04:00.460 Corporal Hunter Lopez, United States Marine Corps, from Riverside, California.
00:04:05.740 His parents are Riverside's Terrence Deputies, Captain Herman Lopez, and Deputy Alicia Lopez.
00:04:13.500 He was a brave and selfish soldier who answered the call of duty.
00:04:22.020 Riley McCollum, United States Marine Corps, graduated in 2019 from Jackson Hole High School,
00:04:28.840 was going to be a father in three weeks, and was a newlywed.
00:04:33.080 He joined the Marines the day he turned 18.
00:04:38.320 Lance Corporal Jared Schmidt, United States Marine Corps, from St. Charles County, Missouri.
00:04:47.420 Graduated high school in 2019.
00:04:49.540 He became a Marine in 2020.
00:04:51.440 He had always dreamed about being a Marine, and he was on his first deployment.
00:04:54.540 Corporal Dagan William Tyler Page, graduated from Miller South High School in Omaha, Nebraska, joined the Marines in 2019.
00:05:06.820 He loved the Brotherhood of the Marines.
00:05:09.220 His parents said he was a genuinely happy guy that you could always count on.
00:05:16.780 And Navy Corpsman Matt Axton-Sovia, from Berlin Heights, Ohio.
00:05:24.540 Graduated in 2017 from Edison High School.
00:05:28.280 He was excited about the opportunities the Navy would offer him, and planned on making the Navy a career.
00:05:36.640 Okay, Tuesday, 26 August, in the year of our Lord, 2025.
00:05:41.340 That is four years ago today, the Abbey Gate bombing.
00:05:46.220 One hundred and seventy Afghans, and thirteen honored dead.
00:05:53.200 I believe that that commemoration there was from the first anniversary of Wamo.
00:05:58.940 It read out the names and the citations.
00:06:02.380 The question, I think, before us, we're going to talk today.
00:06:04.720 We've got a cabinet meeting in the 11 o'clock hour.
00:06:08.160 We've got a lot to go through between now and then.
00:06:11.600 So much happening.
00:06:12.240 But I think it's a good time for reassessment.
00:06:15.620 I believe I heard General Milley actually speaking and criticizing the president last week on a different topic.
00:06:24.140 But the question goes, what have we learned from Abbey Gate?
00:06:29.460 What have we really learned and what lessons do we take away from the disastrous adventure in Afghanistan and the disastrous adventure in Iraq?
00:06:41.700 And not the global war on terror.
00:06:43.920 That's very different.
00:06:44.740 These two wars of nation building and wars of choice because the Afghan situation with the Taliban and what we do with the Taliban was really solved or could have been totally solved in the first, I don't know, 100 days or six months.
00:07:01.540 Have we really learned any lessons?
00:07:03.840 And the reason I ask this is you see the same proponents of this failed strategy just nonstop on television and never held accountable.
00:07:15.020 I would actually propose that 26 August be set aside as a day of commemoration for the wars of the 21st century, particularly the young generation that volunteered to fight.
00:07:29.000 Remember, all of these were volunteers.
00:07:30.400 Unlike World War II and World War I, where there were principally draftees, these were volunteers and Vietnam, I might add.
00:07:40.780 These were volunteers, people that volunteered to defend their country or what they thought at the time was defending their country.
00:07:48.480 And, of course, they were sent all over Hell's Half Acre to these wars of choice that now we know because of the manipulation of information and really, quite frankly, internal propaganda that these were unnecessary and people were lied to over and over again.
00:08:04.740 Afghanistan being only slightly worse than Iraq, you know, 20 years after our adventure in Afghanistan started, the Washington Post did a series called The Afghan Papers.
00:08:15.980 And it was every bit as damning as the Pentagon Papers.
00:08:20.960 Now, it got very little play because the progressive left is now the biggest proponent of the deep state.
00:08:28.540 They control the deep state.
00:08:29.520 So unlike in previous eras where there was a fight against the deep state, there was no fight until the MAGA movement came along with the twin goals of deconstructing the administrative state,
00:08:44.400 but taking on and destroying the deep state.
00:08:47.560 And my question today, and Pete Hegseth just laid out, they're doing an investigation.
00:08:51.520 Sean Parnell, who is a friend of the show and a guy we think so highly of, Sean Parnell runs comms over at the Pentagon.
00:08:59.960 And Sean has got an amazing book about his time as a junior officer in those wars and really kind of rose to prominence because of that.
00:09:09.340 Sean is doing an investigation, and Pete said it would come out sometime in 2026, so they're taking their time to do it.
00:09:17.440 Okay, that's good.
00:09:19.020 It seems a little long, but if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
00:09:22.080 But we have to hold these people accountable.
00:09:23.620 I don't know what we're waiting on General Milley for because I think he can be held accountable very, very quickly.
00:09:29.980 But the people that – in the Biden regime – and you see him on TV all the time.
00:09:34.960 You see Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken in this crowd.
00:09:38.100 It's like – and Susan Rice plus the architects of the Iraq war.
00:09:42.500 I mean you see Nicole Wallace and Dana Perino, these people either on Fox or MSNBC, they're on all the time.
00:09:52.360 They were the mouthpieces for what was clearly we were lied to about Iraq to get into that war, the wars of the phoniness of the weapons of mass destruction and the real reasons we were there and lost so many lives and blood and treasure.
00:10:08.600 And I don't know, Brown University says that it's approximately $9 trillion, those wars cost us, of wasted capital, and that's just a fraction of the wasted lives.
00:10:21.240 What is it, combined, 8,000 KIAs?
00:10:24.260 And I think that's just the uniformed services.
00:10:27.040 It doesn't include the contractors.
00:10:28.380 You know, we went to the contractor model.
00:10:30.500 Look at Tage Gill.
00:10:31.240 Tage Gill is, what, 16 combat tours, and I don't know, half of those are as a SEAL and half as a contractor because we went to a different model to make sure that, you know, we couldn't afford the health care.
00:10:43.880 We couldn't afford the retirement.
00:10:45.100 So we went to kind of – got it off the balance sheet.
00:10:48.940 But they're still American warriors.
00:10:51.160 And we have to look at this.
00:10:52.760 It's a good day to think about this, to think about Afghanistan, to think about everything you recall.
00:10:56.920 Remember, for those of you who have been with the show for years, remember we did it live over those couple of days.
00:11:03.780 In fact, you know, Rob Sigg and I talked to Parker and Rob.
00:11:07.640 We went live on a Sunday night, had a live special on a Sunday evening in the middle of this thing because of the disaster that was building up on this retreat.
00:11:18.780 It really wasn't a retreat.
00:11:20.380 It was just a mad scramble, disgracefully, out of Afghanistan.
00:11:26.920 And it's obviously so central to what's happening going forward.
00:11:32.360 Going forward, and we're going to talk about that today, these different wars in Ukraine, the wars in the Middle East, this potential war they're trying to drive us to in Persia that we're not going to take debate on.
00:11:43.180 We got off the hook last time when President Trump had total obliteration, the total obliteration campaign that ended their nuclear enrichment program.
00:11:53.500 But we always have to be on watch here, and quite frankly, this goes to the NDAA and the budget and the deficits.
00:12:00.140 You have now the National Defense Authorization Act that's going to lock us into over a trillion dollar defense bill.
00:12:06.260 And my question is, it doesn't coincide whatsoever with President Trump's stated strategy of hemispheric defense.
00:12:13.940 And I would love to see the White House and the National Security Council come out.
00:12:18.640 Basically, you're supposed to do this report every year.
00:12:20.640 It'll be out, I think, in November or December.
00:12:22.600 But I'd like to see it for this budget cycle as we run up to the end of the fiscal year, and particularly the must-approve NDAA.
00:12:31.640 Which I ask, why do we have to approve that?
00:12:33.880 Why is it a must-pass bill?
00:12:37.060 And people say, oh, Steve, you're talking about our national security.
00:12:39.140 I want to hang over a second.
00:12:39.920 But those authorizations, you're supposed to authorize, I think, most of these departments at least every five or ten years.
00:12:46.800 I don't believe the EPA has been authorized since its inception.
00:12:52.300 I don't think the Justice Department has been reauthorized for, I don't know, 40 or 50 years.
00:12:59.580 If we're going to play by the rules, and I believe we should play by the rules, and I think we should go through authorizations, reauthorizations to these departments.
00:13:05.940 But I think we need to get back to that, because then you can start asking basic questions about what in the hell are we doing?
00:13:11.780 What does this exist?
00:13:13.760 What's its task and what's its purpose?
00:13:16.700 Before we talk about funding it.
00:13:19.060 And the NDAA that they're talking about, this must-pass NDAA, which is just an authorization bill.
00:13:23.860 You still do the appropriation, you still have that.
00:13:25.760 But they do this to lock it in, because then they say, well, look, the number's a trillion dollars.
00:13:29.440 You guys spend the trillion dollars, and they've got it kind of out in big sections.
00:13:32.640 But the NDAA does not tie back to the strategy that President Trump, I think, has been pretty articulate laying out, which is a hemispheric defense.
00:13:42.320 That to come back and have a hemispheric defense, it's not that you're retreating from the world, but you're taking a smarter view of it.
00:13:50.280 That we don't need to be engaged all over the planet, and particularly on the Eurasian landmass.
00:13:55.640 We can actually do this much smarter in expeditionary forces.
00:13:59.560 Well, Steve, what's an expeditionary force?
00:14:02.620 Well, let me give you two examples.
00:14:04.180 An expeditionary force was that massive bombing and naval campaign.
00:14:08.900 Because remember, it was 30 Tomahawk missiles that took out the Iranian, took out the Persian nuclear enrichment program.
00:14:17.500 Right?
00:14:17.780 Total obliteration, according to our commander-in-chief.
00:14:20.380 Also, you have 4,000 Marines right now and sailors heading towards, been attached to South Com to head to basically the Caribbean in an amphibious marine expeditionary force to do direct interdiction with the cartels.
00:14:38.720 You know who's taking that seriously?
00:14:39.900 Maduro, who has now ordered up 15,000 troops to go to the Venezuelan border.
00:14:44.660 Anyway, short commercial break.
00:14:45.880 Minstrel Boy from Blackhawk Down will take us out this morning.
00:14:50.080 We'll be back in the warm in just a moment.
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00:16:57.220 It's Lindy Somek, who is from the Saginaw Ojibwe nation, and she's going to deliver our land acknowledgement today.
00:17:04.200 Lindy.
00:17:04.600 Good morning, DNC members, friends, and relatives.
00:17:23.680 Let's talk about the land for a second.
00:17:25.460 Thank you.
00:17:55.460 We're going to get along good with China.
00:17:58.800 I hear so many stories about we're not going to allow their students.
00:18:01.660 We're going to allow their students to come in.
00:18:03.820 We're going to allow, it's very important, 600,000 students.
00:18:07.080 It's very important.
00:18:08.000 With all due respect, how is allowing 600,000 students from the communist country of China putting America first?
00:18:16.500 Well, the president's point of view is that what would happen if you didn't have those 600,000 students is that you'd empty them from the top.
00:18:26.340 All the students would go up to better schools.
00:18:28.700 And the bottom 15 percent of universities and colleges would go out of business in America.
00:18:34.200 So his view is he's taking a rational economic view, which is classic Donald Trump looking at higher education and saying, until we modify that.
00:18:44.640 That just helps Harvard and UCLA and UCAL Berkeley.
00:18:48.580 And I mean, you're all helping those schools.
00:18:51.000 Why?
00:18:51.400 They're like, you know, basically factories of anti-American propaganda.
00:18:55.800 Now they're getting a big influx of cash because of the Chinese students.
00:18:59.540 I mean, I know President Trump has always been a very pro-Chinese student.
00:19:04.600 I just don't understand it for the life of me.
00:19:07.740 Those are 600,000 spots that American kids won't get.
00:19:11.160 Well, I'll tell you what I'm involved in.
00:19:12.260 I'm involved in changing the H-1B program, right?
00:19:16.000 We're going to change that program because that's terrible, right?
00:19:19.440 We're going to change the green card.
00:19:21.940 You know, we give green cards.
00:19:23.260 The average American makes $75,000 a year, and the average green card recipient, $66,000.
00:19:30.940 So we're taking the bottom quartile.
00:19:33.560 Like, why are we doing that?
00:19:35.020 That's why Donald Trump is going to change it.
00:19:37.440 That's the gold card that's coming.
00:19:39.520 And that's we're going to start picking the best people to come into this country.
00:19:43.780 It's time for that to change.
00:19:45.280 I think we are American engineering students need to be given the first role at every job.
00:19:50.520 And I think they're brilliant when given half a chance.
00:19:53.260 I mean, there's so much there to unpack.
00:19:59.400 Let's go back to, as Mo informs me, there's 40,000, I think there's 40,000 suicides,
00:20:06.940 documented suicides on top of the casualties of the PTSD of the volunteer force.
00:20:12.080 Think about the sacrifice of these two generations now that have fought this war,
00:20:18.000 or fought these wars, and are still being looked at to go into harm's way in the future.
00:20:25.460 Huge fight over in Europe right now about the security guarantees.
00:20:28.520 We told you repeatedly that the Europeans wouldn't step up to the plate, right?
00:20:34.380 They don't really have armies.
00:20:35.980 The reason is that they've been putting their money into social programs for decades and decades and decades as the same people that came up with the wars of choice in Iraq and Afghanistan
00:20:47.660 essentially underwrote the European elites to get political pressure off them from having to make those tough decisions between guns and butter.
00:20:59.340 However, this is why this NDA right now, I'll get more into this later this week, and we shouldn't pass it.
00:21:07.580 We shouldn't pass it.
00:21:08.720 You want to stop the madness of spending?
00:21:13.100 Let's just go to the heart of it.
00:21:14.400 And I am far from being a dove or a isolationist, but I'm a realist.
00:21:23.280 Right there, Howard's talking.
00:21:25.000 There's 55 million.
00:21:27.260 There's 55 million immigrants in the country on different visas.
00:21:33.460 And I don't want Howard Ludnick, who's a sales guy.
00:21:37.360 You're not going to sell me on this.
00:21:38.620 You're not going to sell us on this.
00:21:39.820 Don't sit there and say, first off, the response to the 600,000 Chinese was kind of mind-bendingly ridiculous.
00:21:52.040 Can you imagine this guy as Secretary of the Treasury?
00:21:55.300 Remember, that was Elmo's.
00:21:56.780 That was Elon's boy.
00:21:59.260 He wanted that guy to be Secretary of the Treasury.
00:22:02.700 Of course, we pushed our own contributor, Scott Besant.
00:22:06.800 Why?
00:22:07.100 Because Scott's a safe pair of hands and will look you in the eye and into the camera and tell you what's going on and not try to spin you.
00:22:17.020 And do we agree with 1,000% what's happening at Treasury?
00:22:19.460 No.
00:22:19.740 But Scott Besant is an honest broker and going to tell you what's going on.
00:22:23.520 With Ludnick, grab your wallet because you're always being sold something.
00:22:27.420 Right?
00:22:28.560 He comes across as a bond salesman.
00:22:32.940 Bond salesman.
00:22:34.380 Bond salesman from a bucket shop.
00:22:37.820 The response in the 600,000 is ridiculous.
00:22:40.800 Particularly the New York Times has an incredible article.
00:22:44.900 The New York Times.
00:22:46.420 I'll put that up after the show.
00:22:48.040 The New York Times has an amazing article of investigative reporting of how, wait for it, the Chinese Communist Party has infiltrated into New York City and has a major role in local elections in New York City.
00:22:58.540 Hey, hello.
00:22:59.600 What did Miles Guo tell you?
00:23:00.800 What have we been telling you for years and years and years and years?
00:23:04.500 The mail-in ballots nationwide are because of the CCP.
00:23:08.740 The 55 million foreign-born people here on these visas.
00:23:17.380 And I am not anti-immigration.
00:23:19.380 I am anti-insane policies against American citizens, full stop.
00:23:26.460 And I don't think the solution here is a gold card where we're selling American citizenship for $5 million.
00:23:34.140 Here's what I think we ought to do and not have Howard Ludnick work around the edges on the H-1B visas.
00:23:39.220 It's simple.
00:23:41.160 The H-1B visa program is a total scam.
00:23:44.680 The H-1B visa is to take the job of those 13 young people that died in defense of their country at Abbey Gate in Kabul, Afghanistan on the 26th of August of 2021.
00:24:01.800 It was to take their job when they got home.
00:24:07.140 Steve, how can you say that?
00:24:08.100 It's so cruel.
00:24:08.520 How can you say that?
00:24:08.980 Because that's the purpose of it.
00:24:10.800 Look at the scandal they just had at Walmart where some guy's getting $30,000 a day to scam the H-1B visa program.
00:24:18.040 All the visa programs are scams.
00:24:20.440 Let me repeat this.
00:24:21.420 All of them.
00:24:24.880 You want to take care of your affordability issues in your cities with your homes and have family formation happening earlier because kids can buy homes.
00:24:37.400 And get a partner and get married and have a couple of three kids.
00:24:42.280 Right?
00:24:42.860 And rejuvenate this country.
00:24:44.080 Want to do that?
00:24:45.420 And have people buy into the system because now they're now they have a stake.
00:24:50.000 What do I call when I talk about home title lock, that title?
00:24:53.560 Every dream you've had is in that home.
00:24:55.680 Right?
00:24:56.820 What about doing that?
00:24:58.840 Let's take the 55 main and say, hey, this is very simple.
00:25:02.820 We're going to cut out half of it.
00:25:04.080 Oh, you can't do that.
00:25:05.180 It'd be terrible.
00:25:05.740 Yeah, the Wall Street guys are going to sit there.
00:25:07.860 It's going to be awful.
00:25:08.440 It's not going to be awful for American citizens.
00:25:12.000 Opportunities are increasing.
00:25:12.900 How about instead of having there should be no foreign students here for the moment?
00:25:18.740 I'm not saying in perpetuity, but for the moment, until we get our hands around this.
00:25:24.060 Eliminate the H-1B visas immediately.
00:25:26.880 Don't work around their edges.
00:25:28.040 It's all a scam.
00:25:29.380 It's all to drive down wages.
00:25:30.840 It's not to get the Einsteins here.
00:25:32.300 Come on.
00:25:33.820 If you're going to come back and try to pitch it, talk to us like adults.
00:25:38.640 And talk to us on adults on the bottom, I don't know, 10% that we're going to take,
00:25:42.560 you know, they're going to take all the, all the kids are immediately going to go to Harvard.
00:25:45.920 Hey, isn't that a benefit?
00:25:48.060 In the bottom 10% of the schools, then they got to figure it out.
00:25:50.720 They got to figure it out.
00:25:51.840 That's not what will happen.
00:25:53.120 And any foreign student that does come here ought to have an exit visa stapled to his or her diploma to leave immediately.
00:26:03.860 Give them 30 days.
00:26:05.980 We're either going to make this about the American citizen and make the centerpiece, the American family,
00:26:11.000 and American citizens that populate that family or we're not.
00:26:17.000 And that's why I think 26 August as we go forward and you think about those 13 kids
00:26:26.020 and you think about what they were told and what their parents were told and what they sacrificed
00:26:34.440 and what's the deal that they had waiting for them when they came back?
00:26:39.080 What's the deal?
00:26:40.320 You served your country in a foreign land, some God forsaken hell hole.
00:26:45.740 And what's your deal when you come back?
00:26:47.280 Oh, homelessness and a VA that doesn't work and suicide, PTSD and no job.
00:26:54.060 We have 12 million tech workers, qualified people that did everything they were supposed to do from their little kids.
00:27:01.760 Not guys like me and other people that kind of, hey, mailed it in on occasion in, you know, grade school and high school and college.
00:27:12.140 I'm talking about the people that grinded and had these technical degrees, right?
00:27:17.640 I went to a land grant university school that had a big engineering program.
00:27:21.820 They started you off because everybody showed up.
00:27:23.800 They all wanted to be engineers.
00:27:25.540 And they had five-hour calculus at 8 o'clock in the morning on those cold winter mornings.
00:27:31.540 They all wanted to kind of weed out who the ribbon clerks were and who the serious people were.
00:27:37.600 And they weeded them out fast.
00:27:39.940 Well, it's the people that stuck with the program that now are unemployed or underemployed, not getting paid for what their real value is.
00:27:50.380 We're going to lose this country unless we address this.
00:27:55.460 And, yes, some economic interests that now are in control of this country are not going to like it.
00:28:02.580 They're not.
00:28:04.160 They're going to sit there and go, no, but I can get people cheaper and I can get them to work 100 hours a week and live 10 to a condo in Silicon Valley.
00:28:13.080 Short break.
00:28:14.240 We're going to turn to wars and the rumor of war next in the War Room.
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00:29:36.660 War Room.
00:29:38.320 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:29:45.300 Okay.
00:29:45.920 Welcome back as we commemorate, as we always do, the Abbey Gate disaster and 13 heroes.
00:29:55.460 They gave their life in defense to their country.
00:29:57.640 And what the reality is of this country that they were going to come back to.
00:30:04.720 Because that's the generation we're stealing from.
00:30:08.560 Yeah, we're stealing from it.
00:30:10.500 We've allowed corporate interest.
00:30:13.940 And corporate interest that is not all the time American.
00:30:19.340 To kind of set the rules of the game here.
00:30:23.180 It's time that's got to be stopped.
00:30:24.380 And we don't need changes on the margin to the visas.
00:30:29.340 We don't need...
00:30:29.900 Right now, there's such a scam.
00:30:31.740 It's so complicated.
00:30:32.820 It's just, let's be simple.
00:30:33.800 Full stop.
00:30:34.560 Boom.
00:30:35.360 Start shipping people out of here.
00:30:37.500 And open up those opportunities for Americans.
00:30:41.160 And I keep giving the challenge.
00:30:43.760 Show me one.
00:30:44.740 You got millions of these H-1B visa holders.
00:30:47.400 Show me one.
00:30:48.880 Give me one.
00:30:49.680 One that has an educational and or experience level that cannot be replaced by an American for the billet they're in.
00:31:03.280 I put this challenge out.
00:31:04.680 And somebody in Silicon Valley did contact me one time.
00:31:07.180 And they came up with one that was potential.
00:31:09.160 Some guy coming out of France that has some very particular thing.
00:31:12.700 But then when you spent 10 minutes with him, you realized, no, no, no, no, no.
00:31:16.260 There was a very specialized thing.
00:31:17.700 But it's totally...
00:31:18.700 He's totally replacing an American that can fit into that billet.
00:31:25.200 Well, it's not a lot we can do about Afghanistan or Iraq.
00:31:28.360 Except for accountability, which we have not had.
00:31:32.740 And accountability goes a long way to honoring the dead in Section 60 of Arlington National Cemetery.
00:31:41.460 To show them that your life had some meaning.
00:31:44.800 And we will hold people accountable that got us into these debacles.
00:31:49.580 And we will not honor them and give them prestige and big jobs and put them on TV all the time and give them honorary degrees.
00:31:55.420 And just let them go on like nothing happened.
00:31:57.200 No.
00:31:58.360 If you do that, you're not going to have a country.
00:32:00.980 What we can do for We the Living and for these young kids coming up is make sure that this does not happen again.
00:32:10.720 And that is why we've been so adamant about Ukraine from the very eve of the war.
00:32:15.560 And yes, we have been 1,000% correct on Ukraine from the beginning.
00:32:22.280 Full stop.
00:32:23.800 Every aspect of it.
00:32:25.720 We told you what was going to happen.
00:32:27.240 We told you how it was going to happen.
00:32:29.480 We told you who was going to be asked to pay for it.
00:32:31.260 All of it.
00:32:32.060 And we are where we are.
00:32:34.260 And you had that President Trump exposed it last week when he had them all here.
00:32:37.820 Right?
00:32:38.160 And it all went back.
00:32:40.680 All went back.
00:32:41.880 What are they doing?
00:32:42.580 You know, they got, you know, they're not going to put up any troops.
00:32:46.740 Nobody's going to make the line of contact.
00:32:48.980 They're not going to put up any real money today.
00:32:50.620 They're talking about a big deal.
00:32:52.200 Zelensky's working on a billion dollars a month from the Europeans.
00:32:54.860 A billion dollars a month.
00:32:55.640 They consider that a big deal.
00:32:57.780 Was it $350 billion we put into this fiasco, including paying for their teachers and nurses' pension funds?
00:33:04.880 You got a pension?
00:33:05.680 How's that pension?
00:33:06.480 How are you sitting on that good pension?
00:33:07.880 Is that pension working out for you?
00:33:09.960 How's that going?
00:33:11.440 Young people in your 20s and 30s, how's that pension?
00:33:13.920 Pension good?
00:33:14.620 You comfortable with that pension plan?
00:33:16.180 You're going to work hard and get that pension?
00:33:18.000 No.
00:33:18.300 You don't have a pension.
00:33:19.140 You're not going to have a pension.
00:33:21.060 They got them in Ukraine, though, on your money.
00:33:25.220 Europeans, big shots.
00:33:26.460 The European elites.
00:33:28.600 What they're doing is they're going to put up a billion dollars a month to buy American arms.
00:33:33.500 That's for a billion dollars a month.
00:33:36.500 And look, the Russians, I don't know, they're fighting the war the same way they fought it in World War II.
00:33:44.260 Just grind it out.
00:33:45.580 And their casualty rates, they could care less.
00:33:48.580 And now we know from sources, right, that, and President Trump has been implying this the entire time, is 1.7 million Ukrainians dead and wounded.
00:33:59.920 This is why 625,000 this year.
00:34:01.980 You notice you don't see a lot of, remember back in the beginning when MSNBC and CNN were at the front line and they were giving you footage and they were giving you war, you know, they were being war correspondents.
00:34:12.280 They thought everyone was Edward R. Murrow, right?
00:34:15.400 You don't see any of that anymore.
00:34:16.560 You haven't seen that in 2025.
00:34:18.060 You know why?
00:34:19.220 Because they're getting crushed.
00:34:21.380 They're getting crushed.
00:34:22.580 625,000 people dead.
00:34:24.240 And the Ukrainians are livid about it.
00:34:26.300 That's why there's no elections.
00:34:27.880 And that's why this thing's totally sorted.
00:34:29.740 Zelensky's going to go, I don't know, to the Gulf Emirates or UAE or somewhere and hide out.
00:34:34.480 Now, the way we can avoid this is not to be sucked into any more of them.
00:34:40.040 And this audience had a heroic effort during the first part of this Persian war.
00:34:45.600 And that was we went absolutely nuts and you worked the phones and you let people know, no, we're not going to get sucked in here to a regime change war.
00:34:53.380 We've already done that in Iraq, already did that in Afghanistan.
00:34:56.260 You saw how it worked out.
00:34:58.020 Not going to do that.
00:34:59.040 And President Trump came up with a solution, an expeditionary force of submarines with Tomahawk missiles and, of course, the amazing strategic bombing we have to, and I quote him, total obliteration of their nuclear enhancement program, of which, as I said on the show over and over again, there was no urgency to it.
00:35:23.420 But that was a total and complete lie of Benjamin Netanyahu and his government, a bald-faced lie to keep him in power.
00:35:32.100 But we stopped the regime change as much as they wanted.
00:35:36.100 Of course, now Netanyahu's giving an interview saying, hey, there's guys over there saying we want a regime to change war.
00:35:41.020 I don't know what they're thinking.
00:35:42.180 Dude, we can cut tape and play it nonstop for hours of you arguing for that and pushing for it nonstop.
00:35:50.060 Well, it's coming and we got to get in front of it and we got to stop it.
00:35:54.240 I've got two great guests.
00:35:55.860 Trita Parsi joins me, works with my brother, Kurt Mills, and the team.
00:36:02.980 Trita, you've had a – and I haven't had a chance to get you up because we had so many live things with the White House.
00:36:09.020 But you've got an amazing piece.
00:36:10.720 I think it's up in foreign policy.
00:36:13.020 The coming Iranian war in mid-September and how we can avoid it.
00:36:18.540 Walk me through first.
00:36:19.340 People are going to say, well, hang on.
00:36:20.540 What is Trita talking about?
00:36:21.560 What are Bennett talking about?
00:36:22.500 These guys are anti-Israel.
00:36:25.720 They're isolationists.
00:36:27.000 They're pacifists.
00:36:28.560 That war is over.
00:36:29.580 President Trump named it the 12-day war.
00:36:31.700 It's done.
00:36:33.140 Why are these – why are you guys trying to be troublemakers and bring this back up, sir?
00:36:37.200 Thanks for having me on, Steve.
00:36:40.880 And thank you for all the efforts you did to make sure that that war was stopped.
00:36:45.540 Look, the calculation in all of this was not centered on the nuclear programs.
00:36:51.200 So Trump saying that it was obliterated does not satisfy what the Israelis were looking for.
00:36:56.220 As you pointed out, they wanted a regime change.
00:36:58.160 But they wanted more than that.
00:36:59.980 The ultimate objective – they had three objectives.
00:37:02.540 The first one was to finally get the U.S. into a war with Iran.
00:37:05.360 They had tried for 20 years.
00:37:06.560 In that sense, at least partially they succeeded.
00:37:09.140 They wanted to have regime collapse.
00:37:10.800 They were quite successful in the beginning.
00:37:13.920 But rather quickly, the Iranians managed to replace all of the generals, et cetera, that
00:37:18.380 had been killed by the Israelis in the first 24 hours of the war.
00:37:21.540 And then they start firing back, and the Israelis took a lot of hits.
00:37:24.720 But the most important thing was to degrade Iran to the point in which Israel would turn
00:37:30.420 Iran into the next Syria or Lebanon, a country that the Israelis can bomb at will with impunity
00:37:37.020 without U.S. involvement.
00:37:38.960 That did not succeed.
00:37:40.080 But having started this, the Israelis now are under their own pressure to finish it
00:37:45.740 and do so before the Iranians rebuild their air defense systems, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:50.720 And as a result, I do think that it's quite likely that before December, at least, the
00:37:55.280 Israelis will strike again and will try everything in their power again to drag the U.S. into that
00:38:02.360 war.
00:38:02.860 And ultimately, it is about domination in the Middle East.
00:38:05.800 And we have to ask ourselves, is the Middle East that important to the United States?
00:38:10.080 And if it isn't, does it really matter to us who is the top dog in the Middle East?
00:38:14.660 Is that our fight or not?
00:38:15.860 Let me go back.
00:38:20.320 When you say under pressure, they've got – they're plateful.
00:38:23.600 I mean, the interesting thing I find when you look at Israel and study it today is the IDF.
00:38:28.800 I mean, the actual people that have to fight these wars are – there's a huge schism between the politicians, the politicians in Netanyahu's government and the IDF about exactly what the plan is in the first order of business, which is let's get this thing sorted in Gaza, right?
00:38:47.700 And particularly taking on the dead-enders, I don't know, the 20,000 Hamas Muslim Brotherhood combatants that are still dug in there.
00:38:55.960 And also – and then post that, how do you occupy it or what do you do with it?
00:39:01.080 That is overwhelming.
00:39:02.120 Today, there's going to be another set of huge demonstrations in Israel as the country is kind of torn apart about its direction.
00:39:09.300 How can they possibly be considering another front when they're still – you know, you're still – they're still dealing with Hezbollah.
00:39:19.140 They're still working on the northern front.
00:39:21.660 But this thing in Gaza is so overwhelming that even the IDF, which kind of has this legendary reputation, has been at this for, what, two years with no solution, sir?
00:39:34.140 I think that's a great point.
00:39:35.440 But here's the missing piece of that, Steve.
00:39:37.320 I mean, the equation changes dramatically if the United States is paying for that war.
00:39:42.500 You're quite right.
00:39:43.500 Faced with all of these challenges and clear divisions in Israel about what to do with Gaza, why would they want another front?
00:39:50.180 Well, if someone else is paying for that war, then that's a very different question.
00:39:55.600 And this is what the Israelis have been seeking to do, to try to make sure that they drag the U.S. into that war.
00:40:00.240 Moreover, I think we should also be clear, precisely because this is so divisive inside of Israel right now, the question of Gaza,
00:40:08.020 Iran is actually a political benefit for Netanyahu.
00:40:12.880 There was quite strong support for his war with Iran inside of Israeli society, even amongst those who are dead set against Netanyahu.
00:40:21.420 So he didn't get necessarily a longstanding bump in the polls because of it, but he did get a reprieve in the sense that the population, by and large, were in support of it.
00:40:31.620 So precisely because Gaza has become such an infested problem for them domestically, shifting towards Iran actually makes political sense for Netanyahu.
00:40:39.840 What is the case of the opposition?
00:40:45.900 I mean, they're at war regardless, and they still haven't had a commission.
00:40:49.040 We still don't know how October 7th happened.
00:40:51.880 I think there's all kind of unsettling questions you have to ask about how that even came about.
00:40:57.420 But since they haven't done that, what is the opposition saying about Netanyahu inside the country?
00:41:03.820 I mean, what is their—what better idea do they have than what he's got is that, hey, we've got to clear this out.
00:41:10.200 I know we have the Hassas.
00:41:11.280 I'm trying to negotiate, but we've got to take care of this because it's a ticking time bomb inside the country.
00:41:16.680 What's the opposition to Netanyahu's say right now?
00:41:19.660 There's a variety of voices, but what you hear from the Israeli military is that there are no military objectives in Gaza at this point.
00:41:27.560 This is just a slaughter that is taking place while completely destroying Israel's standing internationally.
00:41:33.340 There are no major military objectives to be gained.
00:41:37.020 Rather, this is something that Netanyahu wants to keep going because once the war ends, he's going to be facing tremendous amount of political problems at home, including a potential prison sentence.
00:41:47.320 This is also where Iran comes in.
00:41:48.880 If he manages to create some other form of a forever war with Iran in the midst of all of this, then perhaps he doesn't need Gaza because he has another war that will keep him in office.
00:41:58.220 So you hear this from a lot of different areas inside of Israeli society.
00:42:02.080 It's not as if that is a highly contended argument.
00:42:06.260 It's the question is, how do you get out of this situation in which Netanyahu manages to just stay in power by continuing these wars?
00:42:15.840 What about the dead-enders?
00:42:17.820 You do have a couple of brigades, at least, of Hamas fighters that have not been eradicated.
00:42:23.200 When you say – I mean, Gaza City is an objective, right?
00:42:26.440 And it's not like in Ukraine where it's a moving front.
00:42:30.540 But isn't it like Fallujah that you're down to the dead-enders right now and, you know, that's what made Fallujah so awful?
00:42:38.900 At some point in time, if you want to take care of it, somebody's got to go in and somebody's got to go door to door and kick in that door.
00:42:44.380 Sir, we've got 30 seconds here.
00:42:45.720 I'm going to hold you through it.
00:42:46.400 But isn't that one of the rubs of it, that they've got to go in and get the Muslim Brotherhood fighters out?
00:42:53.000 Well, the bottom line is after two years of doing all of this and destroying all of Gaza, they have not managed to do this if they actually still exist.
00:43:01.160 And we frankly don't know quite yet whether that is the case or not.
00:43:04.140 But to just continuing in this manner doesn't look as if it is aimed at targeting Hamas.
00:43:09.340 It looks increasingly – and they're saying it publicly – it looks like an annexation of Gaza, which is a completely different proposition.
00:43:17.960 Hang on for a second.
00:43:19.780 Trita, appreciate you being on this morning.
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00:46:23.080 Trita, what's going to be the trigger?
00:46:24.320 If you say this is going to happen sometime this fall, what is going to be the trigger and is going to be done for political reasons, domestic political reasons?
00:46:32.480 What do you believe the trigger event will be that we should be on the outlook for, sir?
00:46:38.280 I don't think it necessarily will be a trigger.
00:46:40.380 It will be whether the Israelis reach readiness to do this, meaning that they have replenished their stockpile of interceptors.
00:46:48.980 There's a political opening in Washington for them to push this through.
00:46:52.740 There could be triggers.
00:46:53.860 For instance, there may be a snapback decision at the UN.
00:46:57.260 The Europeans may trigger this next week, which would snap back all of the previous UN sanctions on Iran.
00:47:02.640 That could potentially be a political lubricant, but I would say that that is a secondary factor.
00:47:07.360 The most important thing is that the Israelis are ready themselves for the second round.
00:47:11.540 I think one thing to keep in mind that is very important is the second round is not likely to be similar to the first round.
00:47:18.500 In the first round, the Israelis took the Iranians by surprise.
00:47:21.360 They did a spectacular intelligence job inside of Iran and had plenty of people inside of it.
00:47:28.320 They may be able to pull that off again.
00:47:30.460 But more importantly, the Iranians were playing the long game.
00:47:33.120 They thought it was going to be a long war.
00:47:34.880 Instead, Trump essentially ended it after 12 days.
00:47:37.640 For the second war, I think the Iranians are going to try to strike at Israel as hard and as fast as possible
00:47:44.020 to dispel them of the notion that Iran can be turned into a Syria or a Lebanon,
00:47:50.100 that this mowing the grass strategy simply will not work.
00:47:53.020 That means that the pressure on the United States to get into that war is going to be much, much greater than it was last time around that year.
00:48:01.200 This is my anger about this first one.
00:48:04.540 First off, the sense of urgency was totally and completely made up.
00:48:08.140 That's a bald-faced lie, number one.
00:48:10.380 Number two, Netanyahu started something that not only couldn't finish,
00:48:15.300 they didn't even conceptually have the ability to finish, like taking out the upgrade program.
00:48:19.880 Listen, it wasn't just the bombers, the strategic bombers coming.
00:48:23.300 We did 1970s and 1980s technology in Tomahawk missiles, cruise missiles from Navy submarines, 30 of them,
00:48:32.200 to take out the land thing.
00:48:33.280 So you needed, you know, these guys had no ability whatsoever.
00:48:37.420 However, what their big cause of belly was about the nuclear enrichment program,
00:48:43.320 they did not have a modicum of ability to do that and therefore should never start the war if they didn't have.
00:48:49.620 They were going to depend upon the Americans from the beginning.
00:48:53.060 And Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham, when they sit up there, they're lying.
00:48:57.040 That's a fact.
00:48:57.920 Number two, the more disturbing fact for the Israeli people is they didn't have the ability to stop the incoming.
00:49:04.360 We were drawn in as combatant immediately.
00:49:07.100 We sent the Aegis cruisers to the eastern Mediterranean.
00:49:11.160 We gave all these air assets.
00:49:12.520 I think we used 25 percent of our THAAD, you know, missiles in defense.
00:49:17.780 And I'm telling you, and I think this is why President Trump struck as quickly as he did and didn't give it two weeks.
00:49:23.260 Tel Aviv was getting hammered, hammered in those last couple of days before President Trump stopped the 12-day war.
00:49:30.100 I don't know if anything's fundamentally changed on that, but we'll have to see.
00:49:34.360 Let me get Brandon Weikert in here.
00:49:36.400 Brandon, we've had you on about Ukraine, but you wrote a brilliant book, The Shadow War, about this, I guess, the animosity that the Iranians, the Persians have had with the United States.
00:49:48.300 Do you agree with Trita that we're going to be heading towards another potential conflict that could be a regime change type of conflict?
00:49:57.200 Go ahead, sir.
00:49:58.500 Well, we're definitely, yeah, we're definitely headed toward a conflict.
00:50:01.060 And Trita, that was an excellent article you wrote.
00:50:03.480 I 100 percent agree with what he's saying about the timeline.
00:50:07.620 I don't know from our end if we would want to do a regime change, but I do think the risk is very high that we're going to get pulled into whatever the Israelis are getting ready to initiate.
00:50:18.440 The point about the stockpiles is very key here, though.
00:50:21.280 As you know, I was on with your show last time.
00:50:23.440 We were speaking about depleted stockpiles.
00:50:25.540 We have not restored our own stockpiles.
00:50:28.620 And so I don't know if it will be September-ish if the conflict could begin, because I'm not convinced Israel has been able to replenish their own supplies, because we haven't been able to replenish our supplies, especially now with Ukraine still going on and this thing with Venezuela popping off soon.
00:50:46.720 So I'm not convinced yet September, but definitely toward December, I would say Trita is absolutely on the money.
00:50:53.300 I just want to remind audiences, though, we should not support any regime change war in the Middle East.
00:51:00.120 In fact, we should be trying to get out of the Middle East as fast as possible and worry about our own hemisphere.
00:51:06.320 The problem is, though, we do need to remember the Iranian regime is not our friend.
00:51:10.720 And so we're in a bit of a bind here, because you've got the Zionists on one side trying to do this mowing the grass strategy, which is not going to work.
00:51:18.440 And then you've also got Islamists on the other, which we can't rely on as able partners, which is why I argue we hand off the region to the Arabs and the Israelis and let them figure it out and get us out of there and stop giving the aid that we're giving to everybody, because we don't have any more aid to give.
00:51:35.280 So that's my that's my view on this. Can you guys hang on for a second?
00:51:41.060 We're going to take a we're going to take a short commercial break at the top of the hour.
00:51:44.360 And I think President Trump, I believe the cabinet meal started a little late so we can get into this.
00:51:48.420 No, Brandon, the the number of the question is we have to make sure that we can make a compelling argument that we can't get it.
00:51:57.120 This is a regime change, which the last one was. This was on that Friday morning when Fox News is sitting there and they're glazing President Trump and they're glazing Netanyahu.
00:52:08.000 And you got Lindsey Graham, you got Tom Cotton. It's the greatest military strike in human history.
00:52:13.420 And the Persians are going to collapse in the next six hours. No, no.
00:52:18.360 They want to suck us in. It's a comment, not just the Israelis, the Israelis, the Netanyahu part.
00:52:24.980 I'm not so sure the people oppose Netanyahu want to get into a big regime change war with the Persians.
00:52:30.220 But the Netanyahu, for political reasons, keep himself politically alive. Definitely.
00:52:34.820 But don't blame it all on him. He's got these guys here in the United States.
00:52:39.740 They're every bit as bad or maybe even worse because they will look you in the eyes of an American citizen and they will lie to you.
00:52:46.500 But you get into a regime change war in Persia, you're going to be there for 30 years.
00:52:53.300 Short break. Back in the warm-in moment.
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