On this episode of War Room: In the Year of Our Lord, 2025, host Stephen K. Bann sits down with the man who has been with us since the very beginning of the Trump administration to talk about what it was like to live through the early days of President Trump's administration.
00:09:07.000Well, that's one of the keys to the unitary theory of the executive,
00:09:11.000that in the office of the president is executive power of being the chief executive officer
00:09:18.000of the United States government, being the commander in chief of the military,
00:09:23.000the uniformed armed services and everything to do with national security in the military.
00:09:26.000And third, which has really been lost since the Watergate, is he's the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.
00:09:39.000And the attorney general reports directly to him.
00:09:44.000And there's not this kind of it was hived off for 40, 50 years because of, quite frankly, the judicial insurrection that took place that removed Nixon from office.
00:09:57.000When you look at Watergate and you think of Woodward and Bernstein, that's all kind of nonsense.
00:10:05.000A guy named Jeff Shepard, who was there, really has taken a couple of books and documented this quite well.
00:10:10.000Afterwards, they tried to—the radical left essentially separated the attorney general, that entire system, particularly from Republican presidents.
00:10:23.000And President Trump, I think that was a historic day, a very meaningful day to basically assert that the chief executive,
00:10:30.000the officer of the president, is the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer in the country.
00:10:35.000That's sort of the theory of what he was doing.
00:10:52.000Jack Smith, the indictments around Jack Smith, I think, were 300 years in prison.
00:10:56.000They wanted to put President Trump in prison.
00:10:58.000Remember, they wanted Trump to die in prison.
00:11:00.000They want Trump still to die in prison.
00:11:02.000This game's not—this fight and battle is far from over.
00:11:06.000If Hakeem Jeffries raises $2 billion, and this all comes down to a handful of seats in California and New York in 2026,
00:11:15.000and if somehow we don't hold on to the seats, this very thin majority, the first action Hakeem Jeffries will take will be to move to impeach Donald Trump.
00:11:25.000And if somehow the election's stolen in 2028, like they stole it in 2020, the first thing they're going to do is—it's all going to go back again to try to indict Trump and to try to indict people around Trump and put Trump in prison.
00:11:41.000I say this all the time. It's quite evident. This is a long war.
00:11:45.000It took as many, many decades to get here. It's going to take as many, many decades to get out.
00:11:49.000And the Trump, particularly the phony Republicans that kind of say they're with President Trump, et cetera, are not in for this long fight.
00:11:59.000The left understands it's a long, tough fight. You see the way they organize around it and how they embed into these institutions.
00:12:05.000This entire process we're going through now is to purge these institutions of this.
00:12:10.000And it's a long, tough fight, and it's far from over, and it's going to last—to actually get it done will take decades.
00:12:17.000When he's there, one of the things when you talk to Justice Department lawyers or former Justice Department lawyers that are sort of shocked by is that he's at the Department of Justice.
00:12:28.000He's naming individual people, like Norm Eisen is one of them who he calls scum.
00:12:32.000Absolutely. But that's just right there.
00:12:34.000See, even in your question, they're—you just said it—they're shocked that he's there.
00:12:39.000Now, think about that. And they are shocked. But you just—and just that question, you've answered for the American people exactly what the problem is.
00:12:46.000The president of the United States, the chief executive, the office of the president, okay, who is the chief executive officer, the commander-in-chief, and the chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer,
00:12:57.000they are shocked that he's in the sacred temple of the Justice Department. F**k them, right?
00:13:03.000This is—this is what democracy is about. These are anti-democratic forces. They have to be broken.
00:13:08.000They are shocked because the president of the United States, and worst of all, Donald Trump, actually soiled their temple by going in there.
00:13:17.000I happen to think President Trump should go there every week and give a talk about lawfare.
00:13:22.000This country, what they did is so radical in turning the apparatus of the government against its people.
00:13:30.000It was almost like East Germany. We used to, on the show, in the years 21 and 22, tell people a film they should watch is the lives of others.
00:13:41.000This amazing film about the Stasi in East Germany. It's in German.
00:13:46.000And the war room posse, who are blue-collar, lower-middle-class audience, took to this film and loved it and could see exactly what was going on in turning citizen—
00:13:57.000government turning citizens against each other. So, no. You're exactly right. They were shocked.
00:14:02.000And they're going to be more shocked, because we are going to tear apart what they have done in the justice system.
00:14:10.000And this is one of the big reasons of going after the law firms. We're going after the actual mechanics, right, the structure.
00:14:17.000That's why what President Trump is doing and the team around him is so fundamental to basically get back to being a constitutional republic.
00:14:25.000So, I suggest you take a look inside. Because I think you've changed already. You went and lost your pride.
00:14:41.000But I'm American made. I got American power. I got American faith. In America's heart. Go on, raise the flame.
00:15:00.000You missed the IRS tax deadline. You think it's just going to go away? Well, think again.
00:15:06.000The IRS doesn't mess around, and they're applying pressure like we haven't seen in years.
00:15:11.000So, if you haven't filed in a while, even if you can't pay, don't wait.
00:33:03.000But he's not sitting there looking for a debating society of constitutional scholars.
00:33:07.000He's a man of action and said, hey, this is why he went after the—ran for the presidency in the first place.
00:33:13.000This is why in his first term he understood the block—you know, blocking.
00:33:16.000Just because you're president and sitting in the Oval Office and signing things and talking to the media
00:33:21.000doesn't mean that your actions are actually flowing through this apparatus and having impact on people's lives, the American people.
00:33:28.000What did he learn from the first term? I mean, we know about his frustration when Jeff Sessions recused himself.
00:33:34.000We know Bill Barr was not cooperative in his attempts after the election.
00:33:40.000There were clashes with White House lawyers.
00:33:43.000What did he learn about lawyers from the first term that informs him the second term?
00:33:49.000I think he learned that if you see the Mike Davises of the world and the lawyers that are there today, right,
00:33:58.000and particularly people at the Justice Department, and look at one of the things that I think all of us learned,
00:34:05.000because all of us used, you know, name brand law firms and white shoe law firms.
00:34:10.000And, you know, we have the legal bills to show it.
00:34:14.000After President Trump left in January 2021, your audience should understand that President Trump and the core team around him,
00:34:22.000we were deplatformed by big tech. We were debanked.
00:34:26.000All my banks I've been business with for 40 years—I was debanked by every bank.
00:34:30.000I had all my credit cards cut off, as President Trump did—debanked, deplatformed.
00:34:34.000All of our law firms fired us. My law firm—one of the top two and three law firms I used came to me and said,
00:34:41.000hey, we love you. We have no problem with you.
00:34:43.000But because you're associated with Trump, our corporate clients are saying,
00:34:47.000if you're retained by Bannon, we're out.
00:34:51.000So this is—and this is one of the reasons I detest corporations.
00:34:54.000They're inherently—the people in them are inherently evil, right?
00:34:58.000And you saw this in the whole DEI and the woke, but what they did to people, they were—they're a—
00:35:03.000and this is this consolidation of power. This is why I'm such a neo-Brandeisian,
00:35:08.000that this concentration of corporate power and governmental power combined can create oligarchs,
00:35:15.000like you've seen on Wall Street in particular, like you've seen in Silicon Valley.
00:35:18.000I think, President Trump, the years 21 and 22, which are never really looked at,
00:35:23.000are the central ground of really taking the experience from the first term, but really thinking through.
00:35:30.000Because people have to understand, there was never any doubt with his inner team and himself that we were coming back and winning.
00:35:40.000That's what I think is lost on people. They sit here today and say,
00:35:42.000well, this stuff's so overwhelmed. You know, Rachel Maddow's now doing the show every night a hundred days for the first hundred days,
00:35:47.000because she's got to be the anchor. And they're like overwhelmed by these actions.
00:35:51.000This gets back to the fact he had a core group around him and drew in public intellectuals,
00:35:57.000and he had working class people in the precinct strategy. That team 100 percent, not just believed, but knew that Trump was returning,
00:36:06.000Trump would win the primary, Trump would win the presidency, and that we had, starting on January 20th of 2025,
00:36:14.000would have a mandate to make these changes, to basically get America back to being a constitutional republic.
00:36:21.000Those years of 21 and 22, when we were deep, all our banks were gone, our credit cards were gone, no law firms.
00:36:27.000What Boris Epstein did, I think is underrated. He put together a team, kind of a pickup team of lawyers, right?
00:36:35.000Because none of the big law firms would represent Trump. And so in the years 21 and 22, of which the tremendous legal pressure came on President Trump.
00:36:44.000And that's where he saw the power of these law firms. These law firms combined with these private equity institutions are too powerful.
00:36:52.000They've actually taken on a life that the American people quite understand.
00:36:55.000They're not like law firms when I was at Goldman Sachs about Sullivan and Cromwell,
00:36:58.000or how powerful Sullivan and Cromwell was back in the 1950s and 60s with John Foster Dulles and his brother.
00:37:05.000These are Bennett Williams in DC. This is more than being fixers. These are apparatuses that actually control the imperial capital
00:37:12.000and are the linkage between the capital markets in New York and control of the political class in Washington DC,
00:37:19.000which your audience should understand. These votes and people running around, that's all kind of pro-wrestling.
00:37:26.000The decisions and the power are behind the scenes, right? And these politicians, because they have to raise so much money.
00:37:33.000Look, $100 million was just spent in a race for a Supreme Court slot in Wisconsin.
00:37:40.000Over $100 million in one state election. The size of the money that has to be raised in the power makes Wall Street
00:37:47.000and the lawyers actually—and the corporatists actually more powerful against the people.
00:37:51.000So this was many years in the making. In those years of 21 and 22, when the entire world was against President Trump and his team,
00:37:59.000and it looked like the odds were so incredibly long. For the people inside, we didn't think there were long odds.
00:38:04.000We said, hey, this is how it's going to play out. This has to be ready. And that's why you've seen so much action in the first 100 days.
00:38:13.000I mean, quite frankly, more than I ever thought we'd be able to pull off. To wit, he's—and if you look at it, these are major things.
00:38:20.000They're not minor things. He's totally redoing the geostrategic structure of the post-World War II world, right, from the post-war international rules-based order,
00:38:31.000of which the American—you know, we essentially underwrite due to commercial relationships and trade deals, which were upside down in our security guarantees.
00:38:39.000This is why our defense budgets are trillion dollars. This is why we basically provide the defense of Western Europe, the Gulf Emirates and the Middle East,
00:38:48.000around the Straits of Malacca and the South China Sea, and all the way up to Japan and Korea, around the rim of the Eurasian landmass.
00:38:53.000President Trump is totally shifting that back to hemispheric defense, from the Panama Canal to Greenland in the Arctic,
00:38:59.000in the Pacific, all the way to the island change to kind of hermetically seal the United States.
00:39:04.000That, in and of itself, on any one president's term, would be monumental. That's one of a dozen things he's doing.
00:39:10.000The trade—the trade situation he's done totally—geoeconomically, totally rewrites the wiring, the hard wiring of the international trading system.
00:39:21.000Everything he's doing, whether it's on—look, we've sealed the border. The New York Times admitted the other day that the border's essentially been sealed.
00:39:28.000And we were told by Republicans, when they tried to pass that legislation, this will take 20 years. You have to basically give amnesty.
00:39:35.000You have to give this huge bill, which we were criticized. We fought tooth and nail against Lankford, and McConnell said it's not done.
00:39:41.000It's proven now it didn't need to be done. President Trump sealed it. I call it all quiet on the Southern Front.
00:39:46.000Right now, you still have the problem with deportations. My point is that these things he's doing are not small things.
00:39:53.000This is not Bill Clinton's putting uniforms on kids in school. He is taking on the most fundamental issues, dealing with the sovereignty of this country,
00:40:04.000and particularly putting not just the country first, but putting American citizens first in this entire globalist network.
00:40:10.000The things he's doing are breathtaking, and the depth of what he's doing. And quite frankly, the media is only covering the very superficial nature of it because, one, just the staffing of the media.
00:40:22.000I can understand editors sitting there going, hey, what are we going to do? What are we going to cover today?
00:40:27.000The other aspect that I think is very powerful is he is doing something extraordinary, and he's trying to disintermediate the media.
00:40:35.000And the way he's doing it is just about every day or every other day, when he has a signing, he'll just open up the Oval Office and invite the media in.
00:40:44.000And he will give sometimes kind of a stream of consciousness of what he's thinking about, whatever he's signing or just what's going on.
00:40:51.000And then he'll open up the questions and take all comers. I can tell from our audience, which is the tip of the spear of the Trump movement,
00:40:58.000how much they're learning every day as president, because we covered all live. We'll drop any program and go live.
00:41:05.000And they're the people most engaged, and they're learning every day. So I think it's just incredibly powerful.
00:41:10.000It's totally changing what the office of the president is as far as the American people, the access to it, but the power that can be generated from it.
00:41:19.000And we understand the people who he appoints to the top of the Justice Department, the top of the FBI, Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and the critics who say they're chosen for personal loyalty.
00:41:30.000They see themselves as his lawyers rather than lawyers for the United States.
00:41:35.000What do you make of that, of who they are, how they're chosen, and that criticism?
00:43:20.000I think President Trump feels the same thing.
00:43:22.000So he wants people, not simply that are loyal, but also understand exactly what his program is going to be.
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00:44:56.000It's one of the things of having four years to get ready and to actually, you know,
00:45:02.000refine, you know, particularly on the personnel side, you don't have some of the mistakes we made in the first term because we just didn't have time and we didn't have a bench.
00:46:23.000It was a judicial revolt by the House Legal Committee, the Justice Department,
00:46:28.000these radical lawyers of the Justice Department at the time, and Judge Sirica in the same corrupt court you've got down here in Washington, D.C. right now.
00:46:38.000The confrontation that's going on in these courts with the president's actions goes back to Sirica in Watergate.
00:46:44.000And this is—so when President Trump goes to the sacred temple of Maine justice, and Norm Eisen, these guys are shocked and they're upset.
00:46:52.000And you have Weissman up there, you know, you know, on MSNBC, oh, this is horrible.
00:47:00.000He's the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer by the Constitution.
00:47:04.000I think he should go to the Justice Department every week and make sure he has a talk with the lawyers and make sure he's—and make sure that they're in sync with the president of the United States.
00:47:14.000People—the left is in very dangerous territory here because the same thing will happen to an AOC or Bernie Sanders, whoever comes in from the left.
00:47:22.000If the apparatus doesn't like it, they're not going to do it.
00:47:25.000And that's why the Constitution, the founders of the nation understood that.
00:47:29.000They put executive power in the office of the president, regardless of whether it's Donald Trump or AOC.
00:47:36.000It's the office of the president, and President Trump is going to fulfill that, and you're going to have some massive court cases about this because it's working its way up right now.