Episode 4754： Kennedy Hearings Live
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Summary
Vaccinations have been around for 80 years, but there are still questions about their safety and effectiveness. Is there any reason to believe that they make people sick? And if so, why hasn t the question been addressed in the 80 years since they've been around?
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And a lot of what we've heard from Bobby Kennedy Jr. just amplified now because of the position he
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finds himself in, all this skepticism about vaccines now, packing that panel at Health
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and Human Services with vaccine skeptics. Can you just address, let's just take these basic
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vaccines that kids have been taking for generations to go to school. Are there
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questions around them? Do they make people sick? Have they been making children sick? Is there
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reason for concern? And if so, why hasn't that been addressed in the, I don't know, 80 years since
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they've been around? I mean, Willie, you're signaling it. No, the answer is no. There's no
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scientific evidence that any of the childhood vaccinations, let's take tetanus, measles,
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mumps, and rubella, polio vaccine. I mean, these are just fundamental foundational things that no
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other country in the entire world, by the way, is having a similar type of discussion at the
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governmental level. We are because of the people that are currently in power, but there is no reason
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why the other countries across the globe are having a similar discussion because the science
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doesn't bag it. There's no incidents of increased side effects. There's no links to autism. This is
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one man with his agenda and the power to really enact his agenda. That's RFK Jr. I'll lastly say here
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just on this topic of why this matters to American families across the spectrum, because Florida
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is likely just the canary in the coal mine there. We're probably going to see this in more states
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across the country. Just like we saw here on the West Coast that they're banding together to create
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their own coalition to counter the CDC. We're going to see this likely happen in more places.
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For everybody out there, something that has happened since 2008, Willie, is that pediatric beds across
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the country have declined. 20% decrease in pediatric bed capacity in children's hospitals across the
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country. Why does that matter? Just at the time that Lodapo and DeSantis are doing this in Florida,
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creating more burden of illness for kids, there's less beds to actually deal with the aftermath.
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And we saw in West Texas, when you have a measles epidemic, that lands kids in the hospital
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that need supplemental oxygen, likely in an ICU. We have less of those beds, Willie.
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It's crazy. Yeah, look, I mean, I mean, first of all, when when when ideology starts intruding on public
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health, you're going in a dangerous direction because science comes under attack. But the Florida
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Surgeon General just said, I mean, if vaccines are slavery, then polio is freedom, apparently.
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And you get in that kind of an Orwellian death spiral and kids are going to get sick and people
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will die. And you wonder what will get our attention, except then you remember that we had
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1.1 million Americans died during COVID. And still that disinformation got in the groundwater.
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So I want to hear from people like, you know, Senator Cassidy, who's a doctor who was skeptical
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of RFK's claims and ultimately went along with it and empowered this kind of dismantling of the CDC
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that I'm sure he's agonizing about in private. But will he have the courage to say it in public?
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Because this is a dismantling of, you know, this repudiation of Operation Warp Speed,
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which was one of the great accomplishments of Donald Trump's first term. But what's happening
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right now at the CDC and in health and human services and in some of these states will hurt
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Americans. Kids will get sick. People will die. This is what happens when ideology starts intruding
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on science and public health. The first reported case of COVID-19 in the U.S. Focus has now turned
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to vaccines as companies race to develop them and government leaders work to distribute them.
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Is it safe? It's safe. Breaking news in the fight against coronavirus. Pfizer and BioNTech
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have announced this morning that its COVID-19 vaccine is safe and generates a robust immune
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response in a clinical trial of children ages 5 to 11. And all three options are safe as well as
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effective. You know, the FDA is the gold standard for the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines.
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And I think this is a very powerful signal in the safety and effectiveness.
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The good news is that the vaccines that we have today have proven to be both safe and effective.
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Announcing today its potential COVID vaccine is 94.5 percent effective.
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The vaccines are safe. Please, for yourself, your family, your community, this country,
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take the vaccine when it's your turn and available.
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The preliminary findings from an NIH study indicating that getting a booster different
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from your original vaccination is likely safe and effective.
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Resulted in a vaccine that is safe and highly effective.
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But I can tell you that the overwhelming evidence of data that we have now indicates that the
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vaccines, as we all know, are highly effective and really very, very safe.
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The challenges of distributing a safe and effective vaccine once one is identified.
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The vaccines are safe. I promise you, they are safe and effective.
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And I was really happy that we have a safe and effective COVID vaccine.
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And I was really proud of them today that they got their vaccine.
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This appears to be a set of vaccines which is just incredibly safe and effective.
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That the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective.
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Incredibly effective, up to 80% effective in preventing symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in
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children between the ages of six months and five years old.
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We know that these vaccines are highly effective.
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They are as safe in the short term as any other vaccine that's already approved.
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Tens of thousands who have put themselves on the line to prove to the country and the
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world that these are safe and effective products.
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The bottom line is, this looks effective, it looks safe, and hopefully when enough people
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get vaccinated, ultimately, this will end this epidemic in the U.S. and hopefully the
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In a 17 to 4 vote with one abstention, they concluded that the Pfizer vaccine is safe and
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effective for emergency use for those 16 and older.
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The fact that we know now that these vaccines are highly, highly effective.
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Safe and effective is how the FDA described Johnson & Johnson's one-dose vaccine.
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We are delighted that the vaccine has close to 95% efficacy.
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Pfizer says its COVID vaccine is safe and works at a lower dose for children 5 to 11 years old.
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FDA announcing Johnson & Johnson's vaccine is safe and effective, bringing it one step
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Very important, not only for your own health, but for the health of the country.
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We have a great vaccines, more than one, free, and they're safe and they're highly effective.
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It is Thursday, 4th of September, the year of our Lord, 2025.
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We are going to jump in right now and go live to the hearing.
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Let's go live and we'll come back to the show in a few minutes.
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Now the department has a renewed focus on tackling the root causes of chronic disease
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I look forward to exploring ways that the federal government can further align payment incentives
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to support healthy living and fight chronic disease.
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The administration has also prioritized efforts to end waste fraud and abuse in our federal
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health care programs, including through eligibility and enrollment verification.
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This critical work is not just about saving taxpayer dollars.
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It's about restoring trust and ensuring vital programs like Medicare and Medicaid are sustainable
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In July, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, CMS, announced that the agency identified
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2.8 million Americans who were simultaneously enrolled in multiple Medicaid or Affordable Care
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Stopping this duplicate enrollment while working with states to ensure that individuals do not
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inappropriately lose coverage has the potential to save taxpayers $14 billion.
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Remember, overall, we're going to dip in and out of this.
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This is going to be an inquisition of Bobby Kennedy.
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The Democrats all night long have been plotting and planning.
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They look at Senator Cassidy from Louisiana as the weak link here.
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I'm sure we'll probably show more Democratic senators than Republican.
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And we're going to try to get to as many of Bobby Kennedy's answers as possible.
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So just let me know when it's passed, particularly to a Democrat, Mr. Producer, so we can go back
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If we can't, we'll just go right through and break the commercials like we did yesterday.
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I wanted to make sure one of the key things we wanted yesterday, which I think is very important,
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I thought it was quite important from the very first to the very end that you saw all the Epstein victims
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and Ro Khanna and what Tom Massey's trying to do or trying to do with the discharge petition.
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I don't believe they picked up any votes yesterday.
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Viva Frye has had some interesting comments and observations on this yesterday.
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And I've asked Viva to join us probably in the second or third block.
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Here's what we're going to do on the show today.
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We're going to go in and out of Bobby Kennedy's hearing because it's vitally important for Make America Healthy Again.
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And Bobby Kennedy, we believe, is doing a terrific job.
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Now, I would like to see more aggressive, leaning into it, calm strategy over there to get more information out.
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If we had that, I think, quite frankly, the Star Chamber element of this could have been avoided today.
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But be that as it may, Bobby Kennedy, I'm sure, will be putting forward the best evidence today.
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And remember, 3,500 of you worked under the guidance of what Amy Kelly and Naomi Wolf over Daily Cloud
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to come up with the Pfizer papers, which were extraordinary and were elemental in moving this discussion forward.
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Of course, what we have is that Bobby has cut off all current research and, I believe, all future research in the gene therapies.
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We're going to get some of the nasty ones right out of the box.
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Most of the senior leadership at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were fired or they resigned after refusing to bow to Robert Kennedy's unceasing crusade against vaccines.
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I traveled across Oregon last month and the message was the same from one end of the state to the other.
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They're scared about who to trust about their health care.
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Robert Kennedy and Donald Trump have done so much to feed that mistrust.
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This morning, my staff in partnership with Senator Alsobrook's team is releasing a report that shows the disaster of Robert Kennedy's 203 days in office.
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Every single day there's been an action that endangers the health and wellness of American families.
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Robert Kennedy has elevated conspiracy theorists, crackpots, and grifters to make life or death decisions about the health care of the American people.
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Robert Kennedy's tenure is so far marked by three calling cards.
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One is chaos at federal health agencies leaving families, doctors, and the entire nation confused and frightened.
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Corruption that benefits Robert Kennedy, Donald Trump, and their friends at the expense of taxpayers.
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I ask unanimous consent, Ms. Chairman, to enter this report into the record.
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It's been obvious from the start that Robert Kennedy's primary interest is to take vaccines away from Americans.
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During his confirmation process, he claimed to be pro-safety and pro-science,
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but his actions reveal a steadfast commitment to elevating junk science and fringe conspiracies.
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His agenda has not been about choices and information for families.
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Just last week, he threatened doctors that deviated from the new anti-science vaccine guidelines
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he released that make it harder for pregnant women and children to get the COVID vaccine.
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Robert Kennedy's bizarre statements and actions beg the question, why?
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Democrats on this committee answered that question months ago.
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Robert Kennedy can enrich himself and his allies.
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His family still stands to gain from class action lawsuits against vaccine makers.
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Now, Robert Kennedy fired every member, every single one of the group responsible for making vaccine recommendations
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to doctors across the country under the false pretense of conflicts of interest.
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Meanwhile, many of the new members of the panel are outright vaccine deniers
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who have appeared as paid witnesses in lawsuits against vaccine makers.
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Their conflicts of interest and ethics disclosures remain hidden under lock and key.
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On top of all this bedlam in American health care, just two months ago,
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Donald Trump signed into law the largest health care cuts in American history
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to pay for tax breaks for the wealthiest people and massive corporations in our country.
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Republicans know these cuts are going to hit communities like a wrecking ball.
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That's why they pushed the most severe cuts until after the election.
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That's why their members already introduced bills to roll back some of the cuts.
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Make no mistake, though, those cuts are being felt right now.
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We're seeing hospitals in Idaho cutting payments, hospitals and nursing homes.
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Providence Seaside Hospital in Oregon announced they're shutting down their labor and delivery unit.
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Every family is going to feel the burden of Trumpcare in America.
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Premiums are going to spike next year, especially for those who buy health insurance on their own,
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but the effects will be felt by those who get insurance also through an employer.
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Congress has an opportunity to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits
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Democrats are ready to pass an extension that stops a dramatic premium spike
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that would force many families to pay double what they do today.
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Instead of finding ways to help American families pay less for health care,
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Robert Kennedy is focused on his anti-vaccine mission,
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fueled by some kind of complex that the consequences be damned.
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the one point I have to underline is Robert Kennedy puts children in harm's way
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what line must Robert Kennedy cross before some of you
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This weekend, under the cover of darkness, Robert Kennedy attempted to disappear.
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Hundreds of children under his care at Office of Refugee Resettlement Facilities.
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These children here without parents or family were rounded up in the middle of the night
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Lawyers on the ground described unthinkable scenes.
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Our staff, some who are here today, were partying to this in the middle of the night
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Documents show that many of these children were in the country
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Mr. Kennedy calls himself a protector of children.
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claiming from somebody who's flown on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet
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I don't think Robert Kennedy should be within a million miles of this job.
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and if he doesn't, Donald Trump should fire him
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by his reckless disregard for science and the truth.
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I also would like to note Senator Cantwell has joined us in this effort.
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Robert Kennedy has the decency to tell the truth this morning.
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I have a procedural request I'd like to make at this time.
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Mr. Chairman, it's unfortunate that I have to say this,
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He tried to fire the Senate-approved CDC director
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as we treat all of the other administration witnesses
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we will have some partisan disagreements today.
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with you on your characterization of the facts.
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about hugely important questions like vaccines.
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I understand that you're not going to grant it,
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you may make your opening statement at this time.
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The invitation would be here before the committee today.
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Before I summarize what we've accomplished this year at HHS,
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to the family of DeKalb County Police Officer David Rose,
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He was a husband and the father of two children.
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and that he will continue to be in our thoughts.
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we at HHS are enacting a once-in-a-generation shift
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from a sick care system to a true health care system
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that tackles the root causes of chronic disease.
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Chronic diseases reach crisis proportions in our country.
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of the key drivers of childhood chronic disease,
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This month, we will follow with the Maha Report strategy,
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We have been the busiest, most proactive administration
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But now it looks like you're on a crusade to make infants and babies more vulnerable
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That's what we're doing with the COVID changes.
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And please make your answer brief, Mr. Secretary.
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Congress has been investigating that committee for 23 years because it is pervaded with conflicts
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What we did is we got rid of the conflicts of interest and we depoliticized it and put
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great scientists on it from a very diverse group, by the way, so I'm very, very pro-vaccine.
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Let me close with this, because, like Senator Krapel, I'm a few seconds over.
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I don't think, Mr. Secretary, this is about you and me.
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This is about kids being pushed in harm's way by reckless and repeated decisions to get scientists
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and doctors out of the way and allow conspiracy theories to dictate this country's health
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I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets about anything you've done or plans
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And my last comment is I hope that you will tell the American people how many preventable
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child deaths are an acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is fundamentally
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Do I get a reply or ... Senator, you've sat in that chair for how long, 20, 25 years while
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the chronic disease in our children went up to 76 percent.
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When you said nothing, you never asked the question why it's happening, why is this happening?
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Today, for the first time in 20 years, we learned that infant mortality has increased in our
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It's not because I came in here, it's because of what happened during the Biden administration
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I'm going to let Senator Wyden respond briefly to that, and then we're not going to go over
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I don't want to defend this committee on a bipartisan basis.
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Colleagues, my cabinet secretary says that we have no interest in chronic care.
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Mr. Secretary, we are in the process of turning around the Medicare program with the chronic
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care bill that Chairman Hatch, when he was chairman, and this committee put together
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We're going to proceed, and I just want the rest of the members to know.
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I gave Senator Wyden as a ranking member some leeway there, but we're going to stick to
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I have asked HH secretaries in the past to fully utilize the Rural Community Hospital
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The program has been underutilized in May, the CMS filled the open slots, thanks to your agency.
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Right there you saw Wyden going right at Bobby Kennedy with nothing but invective.
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Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr., I thought had a great response at the end when they cut him off.
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Have you ever, when the illness of kids and chronic disease that make us the sickest country
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in the world, the most advanced industrial power, post-industrial power, the sickest nation
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It's the whole reason for the Make America Healthy Again movement.
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And I can tell by the chats that you're infuriated, and you should be infuriated.
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I told you this was going to be a star chamber.
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This is an inquisition, not simply about Bobby Kennedy, but the entire Maha movement and the
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fundamental beliefs in trying to clean this mess up and really back down big pharma for
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And you're going to see it, this is a, you talk about great powers, you know, the great
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power struggle we have geopolitically, right, the, my crack staff's going to tell me when
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we've got another Democrat, because that's where the action's going to be when they come
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See the day of the Financial Times about the parade, the military gathering in China, in
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Beijing, which capped off the, at the, in Tiananmen Square, that capped off, you know,
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right there, great powers, Putin, Kim, you know, many, many, and North Korea, Xi brought
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The Persians, all of them, as I've said for years, they're going to do what you're seeing
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this on Capitol Hill right now, play out in real time.
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The great powers of the, uh, of the oligarchs, uh, that, um, that run health care in this
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country, big pharma, big medical, the big insurance companies, this is the finance committee,
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keep that in mind, this is the finance committee, they really have the overall, that was the
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first committee that Bobby Kennedy went to for his, um, in his confirmation here, remember
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we played the confirmation hearings, just harken back to that, because they're going to throw
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that up in his face every day, about how he changed these committees, and Dr. Malone,
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you know, runs this, was it, ASIP right now, uh, and they, they said, oh, you promised you
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wouldn't change it, and you've changed it, and gotten all the, the hacks off it, and put
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other people on it, uh, and the, and firing a CDC, Bobby Kennedy came out, at the beginning,
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Hey, uh, America, you know, the stats are off the charts, we've been getting sicker every
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year, CDC's in charge of that, those four people had to go, and he fired him, as he
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has the ability to do, and he fired the head of CDC also, yeah, we're going to take
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this break, and then we'll come back, we're going to, look, we're going to be going in
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and out of this hearing throughout the morning, because we must, this is one of the many huge
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battles on the deconstruction of the administrative state, and to be brutally frank about it, deconstruction
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of the deep state, because CDC, you have to look for those linkages, CDC is a hardwired
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linkage into the World Health Organization, and it's time that America took the power
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back, this is what President Trump gave us with the MAGA movement, the Make America Great
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Again, and the merger and convergence with Nicole Shanahan, and the great people that worked
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for her, about Big Ag, and about, you know, getting, getting our food right, the ultra-processed
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food, getting it, you know, ending that, and getting people to eat healthy again, and she
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said that the solution with this is in the soil, a couple with Bobby Kennedy, and what
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they've been fighting for, we had Mary Holland on last night, she's in the audience right
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now, and as I'm teasing her, I said, I told you it was going to be an inquisition, these
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Democrats are going to be off the chain today, coming at Bobby Kennedy, now, we're going to
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put in some other people, I've got, I've got Aviva Frye, he's going to be with us, Jan
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from Epoch Times, Jan's got a great piece about the buried lead of this, I gave a little
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talk today over at Heritage, the buried lead of this, is the most important thing that
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Xi and Putin talked about was, wait for it, them living to 150 years old on freshly warm
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organs taken from living human beings, oh, by the way, on the path to immortality, if you
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heard that sidebar conversation, Aviva Frye's going to be here, Aviva was, I would say, less
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than impressed by the event yesterday, and that's why I wanted to show you entirely, with
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no editorial comment, that you guys can start to get this information, and start to make
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your own decisions about where this Epstein thing's going, I don't think the discharge
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position is, the discharge petition is going to make it, I'm not sure they get any more
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Republicans, President Trump said, hey, if you vote for that, it's a hostile act, Mike
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Johnson, the Speaker, they've got, they've got oversight looking at this, they're going
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to release documents, so we'll try to get all that sorted out with Viva Frye, and we
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will return to Bobby Kennedy as he throws, the good thing about Bobby, and it's one of
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the reasons I think President Trump likes him so much, he's a fighter, I mean, he's not
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going to back off, he saw he went right after Wyden, as he should, it was inappropriate
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the way, they're trying to remove Bobby Kennedy, that's what this is about, they're trying
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to make the case, at the very beginning, they said, put him under oath, we want to
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get him from perjuring himself, because he's a liar, he lied to us in the confirmation hearing,
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we want to get on him, and of course, they dismissed that right away, but that's the
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We're going to get Viva Frye in here in a moment.
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The immune system and their ability to have children in the future.
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Were you aware that he had that view when you appointed him to this panel?
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As I said, Dr. Malone is one of the inventors of the mRNA vaccine.
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That statement is not true that Dr. Malone made, just as it wasn't true when you wrote
00:53:43.340
that, quote, African AIDS is entirely different from Western AIDS.
00:53:49.480
Are you aware that another one of these new members, Dr. Levy, wrote that, quote, evidence
00:53:56.640
is mounting and indisputable that mRNA vaccines cause serious harm, including death, especially
00:54:09.020
I wasn't aware he said it, but I think I agree with it.
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Secretary Kennedy, later this month, your new panel will meet to consider changing vaccine
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In addition to the COVID-19 vaccines, they are set to review recommendations for the hepatitis
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B vaccine, for measles, for mumps, for rubella and varicella vaccine, and the RSV vaccine.
00:54:42.460
These are common back-to-school vaccinations for children all over the industrialized world.
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If you change that, you owe parents in Colorado and across the country the benefit of some
00:55:01.000
If your panel recommends changing the vaccine schedule for children, do you anticipate that
00:55:06.540
fewer children will receive these common vaccinations, yes or no?
00:55:16.760
Should parents and schools of Colorado be prepared for more measles outbreaks as a result of that,
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I don't—I do not anticipate a change in the MMR vaccine.
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Well, it's a panel you just put those folks on.
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Far from what you said, there are people with ideas that are completely outside the mainstream.
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Let me just say, Mr. Secretary, all these vaccines that we're talking about today are free and
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accessible to parents today in America who have the freedom to be able to make that choice
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Will that be true after your hand-picked panel makes their judgments about these vaccines?
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So will they be just as free after these vaccines?
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I will hold you to that, Secretary Kennedy, because this is not a podcast.
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It is the American people's health that's on the line here.
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This is the last thing, by the way, our parents need when their kids are going back to school,
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is to have the kind of confusion and expense and scarcity that you're creating as a result
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I think it's critical for you to share the evidence that this panel will rely on.
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Will you give the American people six months or six weeks in advance the record that they're
00:57:03.980
Will you make it transparent for the American people?
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Will you make it in advance transparent for the American people so they can comment on it?
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Darren, for the first time in history, and you were never there complaining when the
00:57:17.180
pharmaceutical companies were picking those people and then running their products through
00:57:30.800
Are you saying, Senator, are you saying that a dmRNA vaccine has never been associated with
00:57:42.060
I am simply trying to say that the people that you have put on that panel, after firing the
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No, I'm asking the questions here, Mr. Kennedy.
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I'm asking the questions for Mr. Kennedy on behalf of parents and schools and teachers
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all over the United States of America who deserve so much better than your leadership.
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That's what this conversation is about, Mr. Chairman.
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Senator, they deserve the truth, and that's what we're going to give them for the first time
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And I'm approaching this as a doctor, not as a senator.
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I am concerned about children's health, seniors' health, all of our health.
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And I applaud you for joining the president in a call for radical transparency.
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I said yesterday—I believe it—that President Trump deserves a Nobel Prize
00:58:53.920
If he had been President Obama, he would have gotten it.
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But because of Operation Warp Speed, forcing the federal government to come to a vaccine
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development within 10 months when others said it couldn't be done, we saved millions
00:59:05.140
of lives globally, trillions of dollars, we reopened economies, an incredible accomplishment.
00:59:11.320
Mr. Secretary, do you agree with me that the president deserves a Nobel Prize for Operation
00:59:21.680
But you just told Senator Bennett that the COVID vaccine killed more people than COVID.
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Senator, I just want to make clear I cannot say that.
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You also said that you were also, as lead attorney for the Children's Health Defense, you engaged
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in multiple lawsuits attempting to restrict access to the COVID vaccine.
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Again, it surprises me that you think so highly of Operation Warp Speed when, as an attorney,
01:00:02.400
I have—I had three minutes and 30 seconds left.
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It also surprises me because you've canceled, or HHAs did, but apparently under your direction,
01:00:13.780
$500 million in contracts using the mRNA vaccine platform that was critical to Operation Warp
01:00:23.400
Again, an accomplishment that I think President Trump should get a Nobel Prize for.
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Now, I grew up in a middle-class family, so $500 million seems to cancel.
01:00:40.180
But it also seems like a commentary upon what the president was attempting, what the president
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did in Operation Warp Speed, which is to create a platform by which to create vaccines.
01:00:52.920
So this just seems inconsistent that you would agree with me the president deserves a tremendous
01:00:57.760
Is this a question, Senator Cassidy, or is this a speech that you don't want me to answer?
01:01:08.400
First of all, the reason that Operation Warp Speed was genius is it did something nobody
01:01:16.400
I don't think any president, but President Trump could do it.
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It got the vaccine to mark that it was perfectly matched to the virus at that time when it was
01:01:24.220
badly needed because there was low natural immunity and there were people getting very
01:01:32.080
But he was also brought in therapeutics like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and protocols
01:01:45.580
That's when I began litigating against President Biden's mandates.
01:01:50.680
Now, in terms of me canceling those contracts, I have limited time, Mr. Secretary.
01:01:58.520
You've called for, and rightly so, that we should restrict participation in agencies for
01:02:05.620
I would like to submit for the record an evaluation of the conflict of interest of those who are
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on the ACIP and the Vaccines and Related Biologic Products Advisory Board.
01:02:17.220
It was not 97 percent as alleged, rather it was 6.9 percent, and it was 1.2 percent, I think,
01:02:25.440
Now, I am concerned, though, because many of those whom you have nominated for the ACIP
01:02:36.300
What I am concerned about is that many of those whom you've nominated for ACIP have
01:02:43.800
received revenue as serving as expert witnesses for plaintiff's attorneys suing vaccine makers.
01:02:53.320
Now, one of my colleagues in another setting alleged that you seem more interested in settlements
01:02:59.180
If we put people who are paid witnesses for vaccine, people suing vaccines, that actually
01:03:14.120
It may be a bias, and that bias, if disclosed, is okay.
01:03:20.920
So, if the bias is disclosed, they have expert witnesses.
01:03:28.440
You also told Senator Wyden at the outset that you didn't want to take vaccines away from
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First, because of the conflicting recommendations made about COVID, this is from Eric Erickson,
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good conservative out of Atlanta, Georgia, occasionally gives me help.
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She is one of the people that COVID vaccine actually helps.
01:03:54.820
Thanks to the current mess at HHS, CVS is unable to get her vaccine.
01:03:59.560
Secondly, an email from a physician friend of mine.
01:04:04.260
Hey, Bill, I'm not even sure what I'm asking you, but we're all confused and concerned about
01:04:10.280
We are having our attorney try and render an opinion, but there's no firm guidance and
01:04:14.700
concern about liability if vaccines are given to a patient, request it, but not on the current
01:04:20.060
Pharmacists are requiring a prescription, now even for patients over 65, creating a huge
01:04:27.380
I would say, effectively, we're denying people vaccine.
01:04:34.360
Following up on that same line as Senator Cassidy, because that's exactly, you know, I represent
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one of the most science-based states in the country.
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And at your confirmation hearing, we asked about this, whether you would follow science.
01:04:51.580
You've made a statement here today in your testimony that you would follow science, and yet
01:04:57.240
And that's what Senator Cassidy's question was.
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Do you think the president deserves to get a prize for warp speed in the MRNA technology
01:05:14.080
No, you're saying that there are problems with what was interpreted.
01:05:19.480
I said the president deserves a Nobel Prize, but are MRNA vaccines that we're working on,
01:05:26.340
the ones that we canceled, which are for upper respiratory infections alone, are those—
01:05:32.280
You canceled $500 million of research because the MRNA technology is about continuing the
01:05:41.200
research to be ready for the next flu influenza, the next pandemic, and you have to do the research.
01:05:49.140
I'm happy to have a detailed discussion with you about it.
01:05:57.740
You're the ones who conflate chronic disease with the need for vaccines.
01:06:07.300
That's how many people had vaccines and had illnesses.
01:06:24.520
So, yes, the governors of the West— Washington, Oregon, and California—
01:06:32.080
Yes, the University of Washington will deliver the science that America will depend on
01:06:40.100
And his own surgeon general of the Trump administration said over 2 million lives were saved because
01:06:47.980
the mRNA technology, and you don't want to continue that.
01:06:54.340
So what country is going to now take up that technology lead?
01:06:59.300
What country is going to do that, leaving us more vulnerable to some other country
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keeping the advantage on having the best technology?
01:07:08.200
So I'm telling you I represent a state that's about technology.
01:07:14.900
Because I can answer that question if it's actually a question.
01:07:17.680
Do you believe in having the ACA and the support for the ACA that is about to expire?
01:07:27.360
In terms of the advance— of the enhanced premium tax credits?
01:07:34.360
The Democrats had two chances to make them permanent, and they didn't.
01:07:41.880
So I'm just asking, yes or no, do you want to do something about this?
01:07:44.980
I want to fix the system, and that's what we're doing, fixing systematically to make premiums lower.
01:07:51.880
Do you think the women on the steps of the Capitol were a hoax yesterday?
01:07:55.920
I don't know about any women on the steps of the Capitol yesterday.
01:07:59.080
The women who were talking about Epstein, do you think they were a hoax yesterday?
01:08:03.540
Do you think they were perpetrating a hoax yesterday?
01:08:12.420
You're first that you're hearing about the women on the Capitol steps saying that they believe that the Epstein information should be made public?
01:08:20.940
But what I'm saying is you are perpetrating hoaxes.
01:08:24.840
You, as the Secretary of Health, so you're undermining the whole health care delivery system, and you keep trying to point to chronic disease.
01:08:33.360
But you're not putting solutions on the table to cover more Americans, and you're taking away the science and technology that has made us the leader,
01:08:41.580
that has saved, according to the first Trump administration's surgeon general, millions of lives.
01:08:49.520
So, no, I don't support your continued efforts as Secretary, and I definitely think that our colleagues need to rally around science.
01:08:57.240
If you want the Northwest just to continue to lead on all innovation and all healthy people, okay, we'll do that.
01:09:02.760
But it's a sad statement for the rest of America and America's leadership on technology.
01:09:14.660
Mr. Secretary, I agree with a lot of my colleagues' statements.
01:09:19.640
I thought taking on chronic illnesses was going to be important.
01:09:23.740
I've got two kids, as we discussed when you met, that have chronic illnesses.
01:09:29.260
I'm not sure that the focus on red dye and seed oils are going to fully solve that problem.
01:09:41.860
I want to go back to just, again, some basic facts.
01:09:45.340
Do you accept the fact that a million Americans died from COVID?
01:09:52.620
You're the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
01:09:55.460
You don't have any idea how many Americans died from COVID?
01:09:59.140
I don't think anybody knows that because there was so much data chaos coming out of the CDC.
01:10:08.680
You don't know the answer of how many Americans died from COVID.
01:10:14.420
This is the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
01:10:16.580
Do you think the vaccine did anything to prevent additional deaths?
01:10:21.640
Again, I would like to see the data and talk about the data.
01:10:26.820
You have had this job for eight months, and you don't know the data about whether the vaccine saved lives?
01:10:32.460
No, and that's the problem is that they didn't have the data.
01:10:35.300
The data by the Biden administration, absolutely dismal.
01:10:41.780
You're saying the Biden administration politicized all the data?
01:10:51.480
They fired all the people who questioned the orthodoxy.
01:10:56.580
So, Mr. Chairman, the Secretary of Health and Human Services doesn't know how many Americans died from COVID, doesn't know if the vaccine helped prevent any deaths, and you are sitting as Secretary of Health and Human Services?
01:11:12.620
Like, you know, I remember when we went to the hearing with you.
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I tell you what I hear in community health centers, they are terrified, with all due respect to my good friend, the chairman, of the big, awful bill, because they are going to lose health care across the board.
01:11:38.660
They can't get to a nutritionist because Medicaid doesn't do enough reimbursement.
01:11:45.060
If you're going to want Americans to get healthier, should they have access to nutritionists?
01:11:50.000
Should they have access to good science about healthy food?
01:11:55.200
Well, then, how is that going to happen with the Medicaid cuts that are taking place?
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Sir, that is an absurd—there is not a single—it's a Republican college, but there is not a single study that does not—and I can tell you, I was in Franklin, Virginia a couple days ago.
01:12:15.760
The hospital system was so afraid they wouldn't even let me have the meeting there.
01:12:23.120
And they are looking for where those folks are going to go.
01:12:26.460
I mean, you're supposed to be doing health care policy, not being the doctor in residence for all of America.
01:12:33.940
I hope—I can just say, I'm still going to trust my doctor rather than your health advice.
01:12:40.740
And obviously, Tom Cotton's going to—who knows who he's going to trust.
01:12:44.920
But let me go back to policy for a couple of seconds.
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Maybe we'll lower the temperature a little bit.
01:12:49.440
I've got a bipartisan bill that would be a systemic fix, not a vote-buying mechanism when Medicaid's getting cut, what was put in on the rural hospitals.
01:13:00.200
One of the things we could do, Mr. Secretary, is make sure—
01:13:11.480
But right there you saw Cantwell come right at Bobby Kennedy because President Trump did say immediately afterwards, this is all a hoax.
01:13:17.880
You've been covering this, and I consider you a steady, eddy, safe pair of hands, you call them as you see them.
01:13:24.720
I think some people sent me things on Twitter yesterday.
01:13:28.180
You were less than impressed by the victim's presentation yesterday.
01:13:33.780
And I want to just add that I think we're the only, at least conservative channel, that showed it in its entirety because I wanted the audience to hear it all without any commercial interruptions or without any editorial comment.
01:13:49.040
We'll start with certain premises, one of which is that Pam Bondi's rollout of the Epstein files has been an utter debacle.
01:13:59.920
It's compromised Trump goodwill, unnecessarily so.
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And I am of the opinion that Pam Bondi should have been fired even before the Epstein files for her lack of dealing with the Douglas Mackey case, the Dr., I forget his last name, Dr. Moore's case, continuing Biden-era prosecutions of people under the Trump admin.
01:14:22.740
I support the full disclosure of everything related to the Epstein files to the extent it can be legally disclosed, which is why, you know, back in the day, it's like, Massey putting forward that motion with Ro Khanna is good.
01:14:36.780
The hearing yesterday, if I'm Douglas Massey, I'm watching that and I'm saying, ugh, this is what happens when you get into bed with strange political bedfellows.
01:14:46.100
Like, that hearing yesterday now makes the discharge petition look like a absolute partisan, not say witch hunt, it looks like it's become a partisan tool.
01:14:58.640
It's been hijacked and co-opted by forces that I think are not after transparency for the Epstein documents, because if they were, they would have taken that bullhorn and that podium that they had yesterday and named the names that they admit and know that they have of their own abusers.
01:15:13.580
So the everything that we saw yesterday sent like promotion, promotion of podcasts, promotion of, I don't know, hit lists that they're going to be preparing internally and not even of abusers of anyone in orbit.
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