Stephen K. Bannon and Ben Burkwam join me in the War Room to talk about the Charlotte shooting of a black woman on a bus ride home from work, and why we should all be worried about it.
00:00:00.000But I think everybody sees what the real problem is here, which is that repeat violent criminal offenders that scream at judges that I don't belong in civilized society.
00:00:08.520I will murder and kill and maim and harm and offend again. Continue to be put on the street. The floor is yours.
00:00:15.560Well, look, it's very tragic what happened in this jurisdiction. It's the kind of thing that you're seeing happening all over the United States.
00:00:22.240And from the federal civil rights perspective, my angle is whether there is discrimination occurring by local law enforcement in how they treat offenders.
00:00:32.400And so, for example, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, we're investigating their blatant policy, which says that they will give preferential plea agreements to people of color.
00:00:44.400That's illegal under the law. I don't know whether Charlotte has a similar problem there.
00:00:49.940It may be the case. And, you know, we'd love for people with evidence to come forward, whistleblowers to come forward.
00:00:56.020If they are treating offenders of a particular race more leniently than, say, white offenders, that would be a federal civil rights violation.
00:01:07.580But we need that evidence before we can take action at the DOJ.
00:01:11.060You know, to the broader point of whether the federal government can impose sort of sentencing strictures on state court judges and typically speaking in our federalism and 10th Amendment analysis division of power,
00:01:26.140most of the police power in the United States, and that means all the government power really, lies with the states and with localities.
00:01:32.060What the federal government can do, however, is tie federal grants and federal law enforcement support, which is significant to basic minimum standards of performance.
00:01:45.600And so I think that's something that certainly could be looked at by policymakers.
00:01:49.880And so, you know, you do have to look from a federalism perspective as to whether a federal law governing criminal conduct is consistent with those 10th Amendment concerns.
00:02:02.060This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:02:07.800Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:02:13.060You're just not going to free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:02:17.320The people have had a belly full of it.
00:03:07.900Also, a lot on big tech, artificial intelligence.
00:03:10.780And the tech proligarchs, we've got Joe Allen, also the Chinese Communist Party.
00:03:15.080I've got folks in the new federal state of China to talk about what's going on.
00:03:19.640Economist has a lead story about, as I told you, the fifth columnist in Taiwan, maybe sapping the spirit of the Taiwanese to defend themselves.
00:03:28.540Going to get to all that and much, much more.
00:03:30.420But I got to start with the Benny Johnson.
00:03:32.820Benny, I wanted you on here from the other day, and you're spirited, and I think most spirited defense we had of Bobby Kennedy came from you.
00:03:41.420But then the story that you have been following for a while but just is now giving you the attention of mainstream media since it's been forced.
00:04:07.940So a young woman who fled war-torn Ukraine, that is an active war zone with a lot of bad things happening and a lot of people dying, a lot of terrible stuff happening in Ukraine, we can all agree,
00:04:20.980decided to seek refuge in the greatest country on Earth, here, America.
00:04:26.800And she decided to locate to a municipality, Charlotte, North Carolina, and ride a bus home after her hourly job at a pizza place.
00:04:35.780But little did she realize that in this country, there is something arguably as or more deadly than the war zone that she fled, Steve, which is restorative justice and woke judicial policies,
00:04:51.760which allows for monsters and animals to roam among us, approximately 1% of the population, to terrorize 99% of the population.
00:05:02.480And she was stabbed through her throat.
00:05:05.100We don't get any type of bumper stickers for her.
00:05:08.060She couldn't say, I can't breathe, because she had a knife in her throat.
00:05:12.780And now we've just learned that DeMarcus Brown Jr., the murderer, had 14 prior arrests and was mumbling to himself on that bus, I got the white girl, confirming that this was, in fact, a racial hate crime.
00:05:31.140And so you need to step back and ask the question, how does this happen?
00:05:35.340How do you get out of jail 14 different times?
00:05:37.480Now, we've named and shamed some of the judges that have allowed for this to happen and obviously the policies that look at the criminal as the victim.
00:05:46.520And that's, of course, a absolute evil.
00:05:48.760But I want to go a level further here, Steve, if you'll just allow me, if I can just have a minute.
00:05:54.120So I want to talk about something that we've looked through, some data that we've looked through on my show that I think is really alarming and should shock the soul and the consciences of Americans.
00:06:04.180One in every 22 black men will commit murder in their lifetime here in America.
00:06:12.480Black men are nine times more likely to commit violent crime.
00:06:18.780They make up 6 percent of the population, but 52 percent of the murders are committed by black men.
00:06:36.700And we've looked and we think we found something.
00:06:39.24070 percent of all black children are born into fatherless homes.
00:06:47.020There are six there are six million black children living today in America without fathers.
00:06:54.580Now, we know that fatherlessness leads to twice the probability that the child is raised in poverty.
00:07:02.580Half the chances of that child graduating college.
00:07:05.720And three times more likely for that child to become a criminal and incarcerated.
00:07:10.980Seventy percent of juvenile delinquents that are in state facilities are from fatherless homes.
00:07:17.720Of course, fatherlessness in the black community especially skyrocketed after the great society programs of the 1960s and 70s that incentivized fatherlessness in communities, especially of color.
00:07:30.880And so here is the question that lies before America.
00:07:36.400Are we going to continue to incentivize the murder, the terrorism of our own people?
00:07:40.660Are we going to stop these insane policies?
00:07:42.900Fatherlessness is killing literally and figuratively America, Steve.
00:07:49.320Benny, isn't it also when he said 70 percent of the murders, if you look at the violent crimes, it's all perpetrated, basically perpetrated against the African-American and some of the Hispanic community, right?
00:08:04.780I mean, there is some black and white on crime, black on white crime.
00:08:08.260But principally, you've got these cities, and I think this is what President Trump is saying and why Chicago is next and Ben Burkham is going to join us.
00:08:15.900Of course, the Supreme Court had a great ruling today on ICE about roving around.
00:08:20.720These policies have really been used to terrorize the minority community, have they not?
00:08:27.940Oh, if you say Black Lives Matter, if you have that bumper sticker or if you have that flag and that slogan, by the way, all of the data that I just gave you is directly from the FBI.
00:08:38.440All of the data is directly from accredited studies and from our own federal crime and law enforcement data.
00:08:45.460It has been backed and it is there in black and white.
00:08:50.080And to your point about black and white, the vast majority of these crimes are committed against black populations or populations of color.
00:09:02.080So if you believe that Black Lives Matter, the number one thing that you would be banging your fist on the table for and yelling about in the streets through your megaphone till your voice cracked would be to lock up and incarcerate.
00:09:14.660The 1% of our population, diminishingly small numbers of the population that commit 90% of the crimes.
00:11:09.740President Trump followed it in our nation's capital.
00:11:11.800And I hope that it happens throughout America's cities.
00:11:14.040But you've got to be able to look the problem dead in the face.
00:11:16.800You have to be meaner than evil in order to take on something like this.
00:11:21.580And President Trump says that these horrible acts need to be met with horrible justice.
00:11:26.800And so I really do indeed hope that there are some major prohibitions and some major penalties that are doled out to these killers and murderers.
00:11:38.300And, again, as you stated, the single best thing you could want for the black community in this country is for these murderers to be locked up for good.
00:11:47.760Benny, it was because of your coverage and a couple of others, but only a couple, that really drove this.
00:11:52.600The footage is so brutal from the bus camera.
00:11:55.640Why did the mainstream media not touch this?
00:13:22.000But more importantly, and I have this question, and I really want to bring this to the forefront, why can't we see the murder, the actual moment where he murders this girl?
00:13:30.060We were able to see this with George Floyd because it served a cultural purpose to unmoor our country.
00:13:36.000We need to see the full and unedited tape.
00:13:39.260People need to see this brutality, stare evil in the face, and that – and only then do you get the motivation to truly fight evil.
00:13:47.940Benny, I want to – if I can hold you to the break, I know you've got to get back to the family, but – because I've got to talk to you about Bobby Kennedy.
00:13:53.500Quickly, one of the other disturbing things about the footage, and we've got about a minute, is nobody, like, jumped up and got in the middle of this.
00:14:02.760I mean, there were other passengers on the bus.
00:14:04.480It seemed to me they just kind of sat there.
00:14:07.760Yeah, I mean, it's what you see inside of a sunken society.
00:14:19.800All of us, especially if we're living in this land, come from noble and brave men who risked everything.
00:14:26.480And you have to ask yourself the question when you see a guy walking around with his fist filled and dripping with blood saying, I killed the white girl.
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00:16:59.060And don't hold me to exactly this analogy.
00:17:03.280It's a little bit like traffic rules, right?
00:17:05.300You kind of don't have an option of, well, I'm going to stop or not stop at that light.
00:17:12.300Not because it's part of the social contract that you give up a little bit of your liberty in order to protect the safety of the many.
00:17:24.800And I think in a huge way, what we're dealing with in the country, broadly put, is a breakdown of lowercase the democratic covenant.
00:17:35.220And this is the most vivid example of that.
00:17:39.200People like me and, you know, you and I talk about this a lot, talk about, you know, the constitutional order and the declaration of independence and responsible citizenship.
00:17:48.840And I love talking about that almost as much as I love the drop shot.
00:17:54.020But this is one where there's an actual intersection with daily reality.
00:18:02.040And I was going to ask you what's going on in Florida, which I was just, I don't want to say puzzled by, but it did seem a little bit out of the blue just to say, hey, we're going to pull out of what is decade upon decade upon decade.
00:18:21.400During the, during the, during the inquisition last week, the Star Chamber, you were all over social media on your very powerful Twitter feed and your show defending Bobby Kennedy.
00:18:36.120I know one thing that concerned me, I didn't see an organized effort of surrogates out there and even in the administration to have Bobby Kennedy's back.
00:18:45.980Particularly, I thought he took it to him that day.
00:18:50.960Yeah, he was Van Helsing to the vampire, Steve.
00:18:54.800He was the sunlight and the silver bullet to the werewolf.
00:18:59.980Werewolf, Bobby Kennedy is somebody who in his confirmation hearings had the single most viral clip that I've seen on the internet for any confirmation hearing ever.
00:19:11.380And there were a lot of bangers from everyone from Tulsi to Cash, Patel to Pete, Hegseth.
00:19:15.600But Bobby Kennedy looking straight dead in the eye, Bernie Sanders and saying, oh, you're going to, you're going to accuse me of going after big pharma.
00:19:26.420Well, you have a giant big pharma receipt stamped right on your ass that says that they've given you multiple millions of dollars.
00:19:36.660And he not only did that, he also scalped with a tomahawk, Elizabeth Warren, for saying the exact same thing.
00:19:44.980She also is a massive big money, big pharma shill.
00:19:49.720And Bobby Kennedy's capacity to go into that den of vampires like sunlight and expose how corrupt Washington, D.C. works and how these companies want to make you sicker, not better.
00:20:40.540I know I'm at the beating heart of the MAGA movement here on War Room.
00:20:43.940I only say that because you can't have an America first if America is sick and dead, fat, sick and dead.
00:20:51.440And so you need the Maha movement in order for the MAGA movement to even work.
00:20:55.900And what President Trump did in fusing with the two greatest living political dynasties, the Kennedys and the Trumps, together is create a powerful force that can take down the darkness that is wrought in our government.
00:21:06.220And that's why they hate him so much, Steve.
00:21:09.640What would you recommend to HHS and to the administration if we are to perfect this and do a better job?
00:21:16.140Because, look, the mainstream media is on the payroll of Pfizer and Big Pharma.
00:21:21.360Like I said, if you cut out what we're trying to do, work with those folks, trying to cut out advertising from Big Pharma, MSNBC would be a test pattern.
00:21:29.660What would be your recommendation, since you know social media and information warfare so well, about getting out more of the actual data studies reports?
00:21:41.160Because the data and the science here are on our side overwhelmingly.
00:21:46.220And that seems to be the hang-up right now.
00:22:21.560It was a mandate to work and fly and live.
00:22:24.560In many places and municipalities, it was mandated that you take this.
00:22:29.940Well, that proof of harm can take down the entire system.
00:22:34.040The entire regime is built with the enormous shield of vaccine immunity and protection against vaccine manufacturers.
00:22:45.000This was something that was signed in the late 80s by Ronald Reagan.
00:22:49.340That protection for vaccine manufacturers is the holy grail in this industry.
00:22:54.260And I believe personally that that is what they are going after.
00:22:58.460I think that that's what they're ultimately going for.
00:23:01.220Listen, talk to anybody, including myself, and you can see any parent, and you can see the horrible effects that vaccines can have on children.
00:23:12.480There are so many vaccine-injured children out there, and every parent knows it.
00:23:19.020But there is a pressure operation that happens the second the baby is born, and they take advantage of new mothers, and they take advantage of new parents.
00:23:28.560And these parents don't have the facts and don't have the information.
00:23:35.580And then when something horrible happens to the child, as happened in my family, there's no recourse for the parent.
00:23:45.040And so this isn't a free country if that's the case.
00:23:48.680I mean, you can't do – you can't – that can't be the way that the system works where you have no liability ever for anything that happens.
00:23:57.260This is a horrible, perverse incentive.
00:23:59.560And so if I were to give them one piece of advice, it would be that.
00:24:01.840Go after the immunity for vaccine manufacturers, that is the heart of darkness.
00:24:06.920That's the holy grail for these people.
00:24:09.480And it's time for them to live and play by everyone else's rules.
00:24:24.460Yeah, I don't want to get too much into it because I do my best to sort of take a step back,
00:24:31.440especially when it comes to my wife who's a nurse and who in our – you know, in our experience as parents,
00:24:40.040you know, they really push – they really push these vaccines on you at the hospital.
00:24:45.500And now we have four children and those children we will not allow any vaccines toward.
00:24:52.980But when my wife was still working in healthcare and with big healthcare, she was susceptible – and she'll tell you this – to some of the propaganda about vaccines.
00:25:02.980And without doing enough research, and it does take some research, you can make mistakes and you can say yes to things inside of that sort of pressure that gets applied to you as a new parent at the hospital.
00:25:19.560And so it's just something that you have to be extremely cautious about but something that more importantly we need to educate the American public about.
00:25:28.580And obviously RFK Jr. is doing excellent at that.
00:26:13.720A full-throated defense of Bobby Kennedy last week was very important.
00:26:17.740And I keep saying, and you saw, you know, President Trump, because of bad information, has – because I think President Trump today – I'm looking at my producer.
00:26:26.800President Trump today did say that the people that were at the Justice Department are those people who were not going to get good jobs.
00:26:35.920And Lisa Monaco is the general counsel over at Microsoft.
00:26:40.260And you had Bill Gates, who I think has done more to help brainwash the American people on vaccines than anybody at that dinner the other night after Bobby Kennedy.
00:27:14.820You ought to be able to see the stabbing itself, the actual murder itself, because it's just – not seeing that detail, you get a real feel for how bad it was.
00:27:26.280But I think that would be very educational for people.
00:27:32.160One of the shocking things about our culture and society, no one, at least in the footage I saw, come to our defense.
00:27:39.620A lot of people just sat there and just took it as a normal – another normal day on the bus.
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00:30:36.700So the Supreme Court is reversing an order that prevented federal law enforcement from conducting stops in seven California counties without reasonable suspicion.
00:30:46.380This was one of those emergency docket cases that just came together in the past few weeks.
00:30:51.700But the six conservatives on this court did not provide a full opinion of the case.
00:30:57.120It was just Justice Kavanaugh with his thoughts in a concurring opinion on this, saying in part, of course, reasonable suspicion is important and it's necessary.
00:31:04.820But because there's a large population of undocumented immigrants in the Los Angeles area, because they don't speak English and because perhaps they all gather in the same areas every day looking for that daily work as day laborers, that in itself is enough reasonable suspicion to stop someone here.
00:31:21.480So Justice Sonia Sotomayor, in her dissent, along with the three other liberal justices, said, quote,
00:31:27.680It was a grave misuse of our emergency docket.
00:31:30.960We should not have to live in a country where the government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speaks Spanish, and appears to work a low-wage job rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost.
00:31:49.200Thank you so much for that, Gary Grumbach.
00:31:50.920So let me ask the basic question, for starters.
00:31:54.140Does this apply only to those seven California counties?
00:31:58.200And is it the final decision on all of this?
00:32:02.000Well, first of all, it's not the final decision.
00:32:03.540But let me go back to your first question.
00:32:05.200Does it apply only to those seven California counties?
00:32:07.440The original order issued by a district court in California did apply only to those seven counties and restrict immigration officials' ability to arrest people on reasonable suspicion there.
00:32:19.300The Trump administration, therefore, will feel empowered by today's pause by the Supreme Court.
00:32:25.420I say pause because it is not the final ruling.
00:32:28.540However, the breakdown of votes here appears to give some signal into how the court will ultimately vote when this comes back to it.
00:32:36.940And, of course, Justice Kavanaugh saying in his concurring opinion, as Gary just laid out for you, that he doubts that there was any constitutional infirmity with respect to the rounding up of day laborers who don't speak English and who gather in particular places where they are known to look for work.
00:32:53.260That, to him, does constitute reasonable suspicion and therefore would not be unconstitutional.
00:32:59.400We can expect this to come back to the court in one way or another.
00:33:03.320But in the meantime, you can also expect the Trump administration to feel a little bit more free to go on these sort of immigration hunts for undocumented immigrants, not only in Los Angeles, Chris, but in many other areas of the country.
00:33:15.280We have seen at least 24 applications so far by the Trump administration itself in the first 32 weeks of his presidency.
00:33:22.840And I just want to give our viewers some context for how that compares to prior presidents.
00:33:28.100Nineteen applications were made by President Biden's administration in the entire four years that Joe Biden was president.
00:33:35.260So already in this term of President Trump's presidency.
00:33:40.480There were two rulings, one about firing the FTC commissioner and then this massive one about ICE.
00:34:10.560But we might as well start with this immigration decision, I thought, and I continue to read through it.
00:34:16.120But the concurrence by Justice Brett Kavanaugh is very strong.
00:34:21.720It's very impressive because he is not pulling any punches.
00:34:25.500He makes very clear that we have a crisis of illegal immigrants in this country, especially in the Los Angeles area.
00:34:32.580That that leaves law enforcement and the federal government with few choices but to conduct these sort of raids at locations where illegals are known to hang out.
00:34:48.440But I would like to read one passage, if I can, or unless you have a question, about how I think Justice Kavanaugh is signaling what the court might do in the Alien Enemies Act litigation that's still ongoing.
00:35:08.000So what Kavanaugh writes today, and this is the Alien Enemies Act, this is the proclamation that the president signed in March that ordered the immediate removal of illegal Venezuelans tied to Tren de Aragua, calling it a foreign terror organization.
00:35:23.040As you and I have talked about, this was the infamous case that went before Judge Jeb Bosberg, where he made that infamous order, oral order, he said, to turn planes around and return those illegal Venezuelans who had been deported.
00:35:37.920We just got a decision in the Fifth Circuit, basically upholding the idea, and this was a two-to-one decision.
00:35:46.300This was what the Supreme Court sent back to the Fifth Circuit, asking them to review the use of this Alien Enemies Act and all of these temporary restraining orders that have been handed down by other judges, halting the deportation of these illegal Venezuelans under the AE Act.
00:36:05.040In a two-to-one decision, basically, this court saying, the appellate court saying, there is no predatory incursion, there is no invasion, therefore the president cannot invoke the Alien Enemies Act.
00:36:21.120Well, this will eventually get back to the Supreme Court, and here's what Justice Kavanaugh said.
00:36:26.680The judiciary does not set immigration policy or decide enforcement priorities.
00:36:31.520It should come as no surprise that some administrations may be more laissez-faire in enforcing immigration law and other administrations more strict.
00:36:41.080Article III judges may have their views on which policy approach is better or fairer, but judges are not appointed to make those policy calls.
00:36:50.220We merely ensure that the executive branch acts within the confines of the Constitution and federal statutes.
00:36:58.220So he is, I think, sort of signaling, as the court did before in many judges, something like the Alien Enemies Act and something like this as well, is not up for court review.
00:37:11.940This is strictly under the purview of the executive branch.
00:37:17.900I thought that that was an interesting comment by Justice Kavanaugh.
00:37:20.860Well, also, the ruling on the FTC, tell me about that, because that's going to play in right to, across the board, what Trump's doing, but particularly, correct me if I'm wrong, the Fed governor and what's happening over the Federal Reserve.
00:37:35.900So it does appear, so what they did, again, today is put on hold the president's firing of this individual, Rebecca Slaughter, who is sitting on the FTC board.
00:37:49.860And again, Steve, this is speaking to, and you and I talked about this months ago, that as frustrating as this litigation is for the Trump administration, it is very necessary and certainly very clarifying.
00:38:04.060Because we have all of these so-called independent boards and agencies that wield tremendous power, that are sort of acting as a fourth branch of government, certainly nothing articulated in the Constitution.
00:38:17.640But they are very powerful, make very powerful decisions, and basically have been insulated by a few Supreme Court cases saying that the president who appoints, that any president who appoints these people to these agencies, like the FTC, then a new president can't turn around and remove those other appointees, that they are insulated unless the president defines or demonstrates some sort of cause.
00:38:49.000Now, the Supreme Court in many of these instances, you and I have talked about the Office of Special Counsel, Hampton Dellinger, the National Labor Relations Board, the Merit System Protection Board, the president removing former Biden appointees from those boards, and the Supreme Court upholding that.
00:39:07.600So this is, again, what they did in this case with Rebecca Slaughter at the FTC, putting a hold on the D.C. District Court and then appellate court that overturned her firing and ordered FTC to keep this woman on the board, even though she had been fired by the president.
00:39:31.300Julie, you've been on this from day one.
00:39:36.920The Democrats came up when they had no political power, no organizing power, no real counterargument to the president.
00:39:43.120They went to these, they saw in this kind of neo-Marxist and progressive judiciary that they would have a way to slow Trump down, to delay as to deny, right?
00:39:54.640Burn daylight as much as you get to the midterms and then the general.
00:39:57.980As we said today, President Trump seems to be winning when we get to the Supreme Court.
00:40:03.340Where do we stand overall, do you think?
00:40:06.100Because I just, I think the Atlantic had a piece the other day and it went through the one strategy that's working for the Democrats and it's the legal strategy in this radical judiciary.
00:40:17.720Where do you think we stand overall right now?
00:40:19.400I mean, I do think that the Supreme Court, even though there have been some frustrating interventions, especially in the Alien Enemies Act lawsuits that were brought against the Trump administration, but slowly, slowly but surely, we are seeing all of these lawsuits unraveling.
00:40:37.400And the decisions by these district court and even appellate court judges who are clearly outside the boundaries of their authorities and the separation of powers infringing on the executive authority as we've never seen before.
00:40:55.540This is something that Justice Naomi Rao just said in her dissent in this Rebecca Slaughter lawsuit, saying this is unprecedented.
00:41:04.540We, as courts, cannot tell the president who he can hire and fire on these boards that require presidential appointment and then Senate approval.
00:41:15.620So, many justices or many appellate court judges and a few Supreme Court justices have noted the unprecedented nature of all of these lawsuits against the president and how these lower courts are acting.
00:41:30.960We saw Justice Gorsuch address this last month very strongly because you see these judges defying even the Supreme Court opinions and orders.
00:41:39.960So, I do think that the president is prevailing.
00:41:43.380I think that decisions today by the Supreme Court should send a good signal on the Alien Enemies Act litigation and also the case of Lisa Cook, the fired governor of the Federal Reserve Board, who is suing to keep herself in that position.
00:42:08.460So, people can get all of Julie Kelly's content, ma'am.
00:42:12.000So, I'm at Declassified with Julie Kelly on sub stack, also x, Julie underscore Kelly 2.
00:42:17.920I have a great podcast up with my friend and your friend, Lisa Schell, with James Fishback, who is a young up-and-comer in the MAGA movement and very critical of the Federal Reserve.
00:42:30.340He explains both what's happening at the Fed and also the case of Lisa Cook.
00:48:09.580Ben, just before I let you go here, we're going to get you back at 6.
00:48:13.080Are you telling me the leftist activists surrounded ICE and then called Chicago PD who came out and the bad guy and the perpetrator got away?