Episode 4769： The Assasination Of Charlie Kirk
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Summary
Charlie Kirk was a conservative commentator and radio host who was shot and killed outside of Utah Valley University in Salt Lake City, Utah on Wednesday, September 10, 2019. President Donald Trump has confirmed that the shooter has not been identified and no arrests have been made.
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to you, Vaughn, but please stay on the line. Donald Trump has just posted on his social
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media platform, Truth Social, the following, quote, the great and even legendary Charlie
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Kirk is dead. No one understood or had the heart of the youth in the United States of
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America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by all, especially me, and now
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he is no longer with us. Melania and my sympathies go out to his beautiful wife, Erica, and family.
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Charlie, we love you. Again, Donald Trump, President Donald Trump just posting on his
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social media platform news that Charlie Kirk, conservative activist, has died in today's
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shootings. Vaughn, Hilliard. Wednesday, 10 September in the year of earlier, 2025. No,
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Charlie Kirk did not die. Charlie Kirk was assassinated today in Utah doing what Charlie
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Kirk does. He's hosting one of his, not just the show today, but they did that from the
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Phoenix studio, but Charlie was dialed in for part of it and was doing his show live, what
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he always does, which is debating college kids and bringing the word of the MAGA movement
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to the nation when he was gunned down in cold blood. Jack Posovic joins me. Jack, your thoughts?
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It happened during the shooting itself, Jack, happened during your show. Tell me about it.
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Well, it did. And, you know, we were getting the information in fast and furious and a lot
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of signal or a lot of noise. You know, it's hard to separate that from the signal. We do
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have signal at this point. And right now, all I can say is from Tanya and myself, our thoughts
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and prayers absolutely go out to Erica, to the children, everyone in Charlie's family, the
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team who was there. And we're, we're working behind the scenes as far as much as possible
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to find out exactly what happened, to find out exactly who did this.
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I mean, he was assassinated in cold blood. Charlie Kirk was assassinated in cold blood
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today. And Charlie Kirk was, and is one of my best friends on this planet. And Charlie Kirk
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is a hero. Charlie Kirk was the hero. America, when America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie
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Kirk to move the youth in 2024, to do the heavy lift that nobody else could do, what he did
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Arizona and Pennsylvania and all the college campuses. But those two states with the ground
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game, we would, President Trump, been very difficult, if not impossible, if he did not
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have the ground game of turning point in the efforts of Charlie Kirk.
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And after, after Butler, I said to Charlie, I said, Charlie, are you sure you still want
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to keep doing these? And, and he said, he said, Jack, I'm never going to quit.
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He wasn't going to quit. I mean, you see that today. Today at the, what is the university,
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Utah Valley University, out right outside, south of Salt Lake City.
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Charlie Kirk, it was about two o'clock. It was in your show. So it was like 2.15 Eastern
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daylight time. So I guess it was 12.15 when he would normally have this massive crowd.
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I want to make sure everybody understands that the, the individuals in that tweet, the
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older guy looks like it is not the shooter. The shooter has not been apprehended.
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We do not. President Trump has just, just announced that all flags to be lowered, half
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masked until Sunday evening at 6 PM in honor of Charlie Kirk. And yes, Steve, to your point,
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the shooter who, or the person who was originally suspected of being the shooter that was making
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the rounds online, just from reporting now that that's not the shooter, obviously I'm
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in touch with, look, everybody knows I'm close to this one. We're all close to this one.
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We're in touch with everyone. We're in touch with, as of right now, what we're being told
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is that that's not the guy. I want to say also, you could see from the video and the
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shot, Charlie was in very bad shape from the beginning. And I want to give a shout out to
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the people around him that did the emergency crew. I think it was airlifted. They, they
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worked nonstop on this. Look, they, they gave him the immediate care, but, but that, that
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kind of hit is something. And, and everybody I know in the military, special forces guys started
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calling me up. They said, I've seen guys take hits like that on the battlefield. And when you
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have an exit, we would like that. It is a, it is a very, very hard wound to try to save
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someone's life just because of the quickness, because of the pressure, the oxygen to the
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brain. Uh, this is something where it's, it's something where it just absolutely breaks
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your heart because when you're there, you know what's happening and there's nothing
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No, by the way, it is a battlefield. I mean, Charlie Kirk was a warrior. Charlie Kirk wasn't
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going to back down after the Butler assassination attempt last summer. You, you warned him, other
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people warned him that, Hey, Charlie, you're, you're the most exposed person in anybody in
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this movement because Charlie would look like a couple of times a week, go into these crowds
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and look at that crowd today at, uh, at Utah Valley, uh, university. It had to be a couple
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He knew he always knew and he knew any, and he would say, I need
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to do it anyway because it has to be done. And if I don't do it, who else will? Because
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he had a drive, he had a spirit, he was a builder, he was a father, a husband. And he
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had this, unlike, unlike no one I've ever met, maybe outside of this room where he just, he
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just would never stop. And you could be, it could be two in the morning. I could send Charlie
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a text. He texted me right back. A hundred percent. Two in the morning, three in the
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morning. The only time, the only time he would take Saturday off for the, uh, for the family.
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Except for Saturday. Saturday, of course. Yeah. Saturday, Saturday, if you need him, you
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go to Erica. And that was the time he said, that's my time. I want to be with God. I want
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to pray. I want to unplug. But, but my point is, is that he, this guy would never stop working
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24-7 operation. 24-6. And keep going. The movement that Charlie Kirk started will never
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end. The movement of the youth, the movement to save this country, the movement to ignite
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a fire for freedom and liberty across this republic. And by the way, the way that he always spoke
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so forcefully for Christ Jesus, that no, whenever chance he had to give his testimony for what
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he believed in and who he believed in and to lift up God's name, Charlie was always the
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So I know, uh, obviously people are shocked today. When we left you, uh, a couple hours
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ago, what did I do? What I always do at the end of the show in the morning is toss to Charlie
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Kirk for two hours of populist nationalism, followed by Jack Posovic, Steve Gruber, Eric Bolling,
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and then back to the war room. Uh, it just shows you, Hey, every minute's precious for
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people, particularly for people in this movement and people at the tip of the spear. I realize
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everybody's rattled by this. Charlie Kirk being assassinated, shot down in cold blood, uh, for
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the entire world to see the shooter is not apprehended yet. Yes. There's going to be, um, prayers
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and mourning and half staff, uh, in nurturing the widow and a ceremony, but we have to have
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steely resolve, right? Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war. We're in this country. We are. And the
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mocking that you had on MSNBC today was completely and totally inappropriate by Matthew Dowd and the
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owners of, uh, MSNBC ought to know he ought to be removed immediately and never come back on that
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channel. His comments earlier today, when we first heard that Charlie was shot, right? And Katie
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Turner was trying to do her best job, right? Given the circumstances, but you have a guest like on
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there. We need steely resolve. Charlie Kirk is a casualty of the political war going on in this
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country. He was gunned down in cold blood, gunned down in cold blood. And you have to have steely
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resolve about this. Charlie Kirk never. What did he do? He would say, if you disagree, come to the
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front of the line because he wanted to have a conversation. Charlie Kirk never raised a hand in
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anger. Never once. He said, come out here. He would say change my mind. He was a happy warrior. He's a
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happy warrior every single time. I never saw him. You had conviction, you know, he had conviction. He was
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tough as nails, but, but he never once did so. And he never once came off the stage. You go find
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hundreds of hours of video. He never did it. Never once, no matter how crazy, no matter how nuts,
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whatever he was being faced with, he would always sit there and he would hold his ground and hold
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frame and do so with the peace of Christ that was there. He had a gift from God, an absolute gift
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from God. And for, you know, these, these are the reasons that, that we'll never be able to really get
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the answers of, but God called him home today. Well, it's, it's, you know, it's your fate and your
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destiny, right? Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk knew what he was getting into and doing this,
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right? Charlie Kirk was at the tip of the spirit, never flinched, never backed off. Uh, you never
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heard any whining from Charlie Kirk. I mean, we would have texts, uh, and it was a lot of stuff,
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you know, we didn't always totally agree on the text message chains with Charlie Kirk all hours of
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the night, always trying to learn, right? Always trying to move the ball forward, but always doing
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it with a, uh, uh, in a very up upbeat spirit, right? In a, in a, in a way that was, um, he's a glass
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half full guy, right? And the organization he built, that's what attracted so many college kids. That's
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it. And it started with college kids, but it built all over the, the, the events themselves now,
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his, and two big events, one in the summer and of course the event in over, uh, right before Christmas
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in Phoenix are the most important events of the calendar for the conservative movement. It's a who's who
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comes on the stage, including president Trump came on last December. And on that stage for the first
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time, president Trump told that audience because of what Charlie Kirk brings and the intensity,
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uh, he brings president Trump told us why he ran for office. It was because he knew the 2020 election
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was stolen. And he says, I had, I had to, I had to come back and make sure that we, that we didn't
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let, if we let that go, we weren't going to have a Republic. And that's the, that's the power of what
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Charlie Kirk built. Charlie Kirk was a warrior to the end. If you see his last, his last moments
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of, uh, maybe consciousness before he was shot, what did he have? He picked up a mic to answer,
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to respond. He died fighting. This is a man, this is a man who died fighting. Charlie Kirk died
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fighting, not for himself. Charlie Kirk died fighting for you. Charlie Kirk died fighting for
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Jesus. Charlie Kirk died fighting for this country. And he did so knowing, knowing full well that he
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wasn't just staring down at a microphone or some liberals. He knew about Butler. He knew everything
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about it. I've talked to him about it a million times. He knew. And, and by the way, it could just
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know about the security too. Cause he says, Hey, I can't get too much security. Cause it cuts me off
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from the young people. It cuts me off from the crowd. Charlie was a people person. That's why today
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when you saw that tent, the people are right there in front of him, right? And they're in the line
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and they're tossing back and forth. And Charlie's giving as good as he gets. Uh, he was answering,
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he picked up the microphone to answer, uh, a, a, to respond to something he didn't agree with.
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Right. That, uh, that the, uh, the individual, if you disagree, you come to the front. Every time I
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did an event with him, he'd always say, you disagree, you come to the front. We did, we did Penn
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state last year. We did, by the way, just cause I haven't said it yet to Charlie's mom and dad,
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his mother and father, that obviously our, our prayers are absolutely with you, the entire Kirk
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family. And we need to get to the bottom of this right now. Need to get a bottom of it. But he went
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out as a hero. Would you say, uh, the hero American needs right now? When God, when America needed a
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hero, God sent us Charlie Kirk as a fighter. When America needed a hero, God sent us Charlie Kirk.
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He sent us Donald Trump. Some, some say that we're not sure who sent us Steve Bannon, but,
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but we got, we got a band. I am not, I'm not in that league, but I'll tell you the Trump,
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they came for him twice. You saw it in Butler when they tried to gun him down in cold blood
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in, in Butler assassination temp. Another one later and Charlie Kirk. I don't want to hear
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Charlie Kirk is dead. I don't want to hear that Charlie Kirk died today. Charlie Kirk was assassinated
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an assassin's bullet to cut him down. Single shot, single shot at 31 years old. Yeah. At
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200 yards. What we're hearing. So it was not a, uh, it was not a, it was not a rookie, right?
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It was somebody who knew how to use a weapon. Uh, Charlie Kirk was cut down by an assassin's
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bullet, right? In the prime of his life. In the prime of his life. Top of his game. Just
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when he got going, I was, go ahead. I just want to say, I mean, beyond all that, he's
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our friend. This is, this is one of our friends. And when you come for one of our
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friends, that's it, that's it. Gloves are off. Gloves are at you. You thought you
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thought that before was, was bad that we went hard. You, you, you just took away one
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of our friends. And that's something that requires, requires a response.
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But people have to expect this. Look at, look, look at Luigi. You get, you get MAGA or you
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get, or get Mangione. That's my point. And Mangione, the Mangione's are now taking out
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the MAGA's. And Mangione, and Mangione is considered a hero by those guys. I tell folks
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all the time, you got Mangione and you got Ma'am Donnie, who's a. It's the Bolsheviks
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and the Mensheviks. Exactly. So you see what they're doing. And Luigi and Mangione is treated
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as a cult hero by these people. So tell me again, tell me again about, oh, Posobiec and
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Bannon and the rhetoric. Oh, the rhetoric. You're so upset. Oh, cause I use the word
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on humans. Yeah. What word would you ascribe to an act like this? It's unhuman. Okay. That's
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what we're living through. You think I want to do this with my time? You think I got kids.
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You think I want to be here? This is what you have done to our country. Exactly. And what
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comes next is on U2. And we're not going to back off an inch. Anybody think, if you're
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going to back off, then this is not for you. Charlie Kirk gave his life for a country. He's
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on the battlefield of political combat. Okay. And they cut him down with an assassin's bullet.
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Let's be blunt about this. They cut him down with an assassin's bullet. I guess we're going
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to take a break here. We're going to take a short commercial break. We've got John Solomon,
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a couple of three other people going to join us. Hopefully the great Matt Boyle, Jack Posobiec,
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one of Charlie's best friends and best partners, is with us. And we're going to take a short
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break and return in a moment. You're in the war room.
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who are hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people hurt people. What happened was horrible.
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No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything except him.
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Okay, that was Van Jones. What do you say about this Van Jones situation?
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Really, Van Jones? Really? And all of them. All the people out there. They want to blame
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they want to blame Charlie Kirk. They want to blame Charlie Kirk, who never hurt anybody in his
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life. Charlie Kirk, who always stood up for truth, and he did so with his voice. He didn't do so with
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his hands. He didn't do so in violence. He didn't do any of this. And what was Charlie talking about?
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A woman being stabbed to death? Where's your energy for that, Van Jones? What do you think? You think
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people are worried about when they go on a subway late at night that they're worried about being
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surrounded by Charlie Kirk's? They're looking over their shoulder for Charlie Kirk. No, I don't think
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so, Van Jones. I don't think so at all. So now my wife has got to go reach out to Erica because as
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close as they are, and now you got to, now we have to deal with this, but no, it's all Charlie Kirk's
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fault, right? Van Jones. It's all Charlie Kirk's fault. And all the rest of it was MSNBC saying,
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oh, Charlie Kirk, he, you know, he, he ginned up the rhetoric and he, he did, he did all this.
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Should have still at large, by the way, as far as we know, there's a manhunt they're saying,
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and we've been in contact with FBI and all the rest. So, so it's all, it's all, it's all,
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it's all this, right? Or what did they say? It was a, it was, you know, it was maybe a guy,
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a MAGA guy who was getting up, cut me a break. We know where the violence is coming from,
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from Butler to West Palm and now to Salt Lake City, Utah. No, no, this is the Mangiones. This is the
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unhumans. This is the sick, pervasive violence that's going on by the blood in the streets and the
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blood of Charlie Kirk. Now, just like the blood of Trump a year ago, less than a year ago,
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Charlie, just over a year ago. Charlie Kirk was not killed today. Charlie Kirk was assassinated
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in cold blood. And you're going to, and they're going to sit there and say, they're going to sit
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there and say, oh, well, it's, it's the war room. It's the Charlie Kirk show talking about COVID
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talking about, no, no. Steal yourself folks. Steal yourself. Now's the time. This is a moment. We need
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to show strength. Okay. Need to show strength. Matt Boyle talking about the strong Matt Boyle,
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your thoughts. You've covered Charlie from the very beginning. I happen to sit in, I think one
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of Charlie Kirk's first pitches when he started turning point with a couple of people very closely
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associated with Breitbart. And let's say he went up a steep learning curve. That's the kind of guy he
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was. Your thoughts, Matt? Yeah. Well, by the way, before he even started turning point, he was
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working for Breitbart, right? Like way back in the day, as far back as when he was in high school,
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as far back as 2012, back when I was first starting at Breitbart. So I remember, we actually just
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published this a few minutes ago. There's an email he sent us back when he was a high school student in
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2012. And when he reached out to Breitbart, like a cold reach out to want to join the cause. So,
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and he was inspired by Andrew Breitbart. He always talked about that. I've known him very closely.
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Look, you're 100% right. I was just watching your segment there with Jack. This was a political
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assassination. This was like an assassination of Martin Luther King or JFK or something like that.
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This needs to be a wake up call and a clarion call to every American person.
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Hang on. A clarion call, but particularly for this generation, one of our younger producers,
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because we have them, they're very young here at the war room. He told me, he says, this assassination
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will be a formational event for my generation, right? The generation under 30, under 35 years old.
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This is your moment. Charlie Kirk represented you. Charlie Kirk built a, he came in with a crazy idea.
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I want to take over student governments. This is when he first came to Breitbart. I want to take over
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student governments in college and then in high schools, right? And what you have now
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is a political powerhouse, a grassroots, not just grassroots powerhouse, as far as delivering
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Matt Boyle, but also thought leaders. Remember, he had the pastors. He would have thinkers. He had so
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many different aspects of, of turning point. He's, he's built a massive machine through his personality
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and force of will, right? And for that generation under 35, and remember, Charlie Kirk gave his life
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for you. Where was he? On a college campus. What was he doing? What Charlie Kirk does every day,
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debating, right? Using ideas, coming back. And he picked up the microphone, his last act on earth,
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right? Was picking up a microphone to rebut something that he heard from one of the people,
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as Jack says, if you don't agree with me, come to the front of the line. That's the kind of people
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he took, Matt Boyle. Yeah, this is a really emotional moment for a lot of those young people,
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including myself, right? I'm a little older than Charlie. But the, but the fact is that, you know,
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I think everybody's going to look back on this moment and remember where you were, right? Like,
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remember where you were when JFK was killed? You're going to remember where you were when,
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when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And the, the fact is that I think that his mission is now all
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of our mission, right? We can't let him die in vain. We have to carry on his mission. And then the other
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thing is, is that the radical left, frankly, there is no differentiation anymore between the radical
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left and the Democrat party. The Democrat party is rotten from top to bottom. They've been corrupted
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by the, by the radical left. They've been taken over. They've been subsumed. Maybe one day we'll get
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to a place where we have two parties again that are reasonable, but we don't have a reasonable
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Democrat party anymore. Democrats are not reasonable, right? Like the, the fact is, is that they have
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created this culture, uh, that you heard the establishment media people out there like Van
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Jones and like the MSNBC crowd. Uh, I don't know if you saw this, but in the immediate aftermath of
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it, you saw people on MSNBC suggesting, Oh, it might've just been Charlie Kirk supporters just
00:22:34.340
shooting their guns off. Uh, and you know, no, that was Matt Dowd. That was Matt Dowd. And Matt,
00:22:39.380
Matt Dowd is remember folks embrace this, embrace this folks. Matt Dowd is not a leftist. Matt Dowd,
00:22:46.740
let's get that up. Matt Dowd was a Bush Republican. Okay. And today what he said today, what he said
00:22:53.240
on MSNBC is unforgivable of what he said when Charlie Kirk's life held and was hanging in the
00:23:00.660
balance when they were working, when they medevaced him out, they, they helicoptered him out and the
00:23:05.820
doctors and nurses are sitting there trying to save his life. This is what Matt Dowd, this is the kind
00:23:10.420
of thing Matt Dowd said, right? So it's, it's, it's unforgivable, but you're exactly correct.
00:23:15.980
This was a political assassination and it's a political assassination trying to target the
00:23:21.660
young people in this country because they understand that the power of MAGA, the power
00:23:26.220
of our movement is not a bunch of boomers. The power of our movement is coming from the young
00:23:32.020
and that's where the energy is. And they understand this changes American politics and saves our country.
00:23:36.600
This is what Trump came back for. This is where he returned for. He returned to save the country and
00:23:41.460
make it great again. Go ahead, sir. Yeah. And I think that this is not good. They're not going
00:23:46.800
to succeed, right? Like I think that what's going to happen is, cause I'm telling you, I'm getting
00:23:51.020
the messages right now from people across this movement. They're not going to see, hold it,
00:23:56.380
hold it, hold it. The future is undetermined, Matt. Today at 11 59 AM Eastern daylight time,
00:24:03.360
I tossed it to Charlie Kirk to do the show like every day, two hours of populist nationalism coming
00:24:08.880
in hot with Charlie Kirk. The future is unformed. We have to form it. It's not, we will win. If we
00:24:16.860
don't flinch, we will win. If we don't sit there and start sucking our thumbs and get in the fetal
00:24:21.760
position. Okay. Charlie Kirk was assassinated today. Go ahead. Go ahead, brother.
00:24:27.360
Yeah. Where I'm going with that point, Steve, is that I think that the emotional, the raw emotion
00:24:32.600
of this, right? Like, I mean, look, I'll be honest with you. I'm not really an emotional guy,
00:24:37.000
but I, this has hit me pretty hard. I knew Charlie very well. It's hit me very hard in the last,
00:24:42.320
you know, a couple hours here since I've been processing the news, I've been trying to get the
00:24:45.880
details of what happened, but I mean, this is just terrible. And I, I'll tell you, this gives me more
00:24:52.200
fight. It gives everyone else across the right, everyone I'm talking to is newly inspired by
00:24:59.760
Charlie's mission, right? Like, and I think that we have to not let him die in vain. We carry his
00:25:05.340
mission on everything he stood for. He stood for what Breitbart believes in, what the Warren Posse
00:25:10.700
believes in. I mean, this is a guy who, who, who built his entire career. I mean, he's 31 years old.
00:25:16.960
He's younger than, you know, any of us, but like, I mean, I like, again, his entire life and career
00:25:23.380
was built in this movement. That's a miracle first mega movement. Uh, you know, I, I, I'm going,
00:25:28.900
I've been going back through in the last hour or so here, some old interviews I did with him
00:25:33.420
where he's talking about things like immigration and he's talking about things like standing up to
00:25:37.840
China and on trade and, and, and building out a political movement and, and, uh, you know,
00:25:43.180
voter fraud and all this kind of stuff. I, I think that it's, it's even bigger than just
00:25:48.000
young people, right? Like, I mean, Charlie Kirk, uh, and, and everything that he stands for
00:25:52.560
is going to, uh, I don't think that the, the, the mission of the, whoever conducted this
00:26:00.820
assassination, and we don't have all those details yet, but, uh, clearly they were trying
00:26:04.760
to silence him while he's debating, right? Like, uh, I don't think they'll succeed. I think
00:26:08.980
his message is going to become, uh, you know, uh, even more profound now after this, because
00:26:16.420
again, this feels a lot like a JFK or an MLK type moment, right? Like, uh, in our country.
00:26:23.440
And we're all going to remember where we were the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated and when we heard
00:26:28.320
the news and how we heard the news. Uh, Matt Boyle, uh, where do people go on social media to get
00:26:35.080
you? I know you guys are putting up stuff with Charlie, uh, a great reminder that Charlie first
00:26:39.440
came to Breitbart when he had the idea, um, and people associated with Breitbart getting back of
00:26:43.960
him, uh, and, and, and, and put the seeds in that came up with the turning point. That was one of the
00:26:51.540
critical and not the critical element to winning the 2024 election. Where do people go, Matt, today to
00:26:58.240
get to your social media and to get all the great news over at Breitbart? Well, first off,
00:27:02.120
Breitbart.com, our team is working around the clock. And then also my ex Twitter account is
00:27:06.620
at mboyle1 and my true social is at real Matt Boyle. But yeah, uh, our team is working very hard
00:27:12.200
and we're trying to get all the details and the facts and then we're going to see where this goes,
00:27:15.720
but I'm telling you the emotion here is raw. And I think that, uh, the, that a match has been lit
00:27:21.100
in America. And I think that the, the, the American right, especially young people are not going to
00:27:26.460
take this. Not going to take it. Um, the last day I talked to Charlie on the Sunday before I went to
00:27:32.860
prison on, on Monday, on July 1st. And Charlie said, how are you going to do it? Cause we lead
00:27:36.960
into the show. How are you going to do the show? You know, who's going to be the, who's going to be
00:27:40.200
the host. I said, Charlie, next man up, right? Is that not the message for Charlie's generation?
00:27:48.340
Next man or woman up Matt Boyle. Thank you so much. Appreciate you coming on.
00:27:52.820
Jack Posobiec's riding shotgun with me in, uh, in this hour. Uh, want to thank real America's
00:28:00.800
voice, everybody for their coverage today, real America's voice, uh, because of the closeness,
00:28:05.140
obviously with Charlie Kirk broke, uh, the news, I think was on the Eric bowling show,
00:28:09.360
John Solomon, et cetera. We're trying to get John Solomon up. We need to get the, uh, we need to find
00:28:14.460
the assassin. We need to get to the bottom of this. We also have to make sure that, uh, the best way
00:28:20.540
to remember Charlie Kirk is to carry on his work at the level. Charlie Kirk would short break.
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Charlie Kirk on one level is totally irreplaceable. Is it not Jack Pasovic?
00:29:47.180
Look, Charlie Kirk is one-on-one and Charlie Kirk, there's never going to be another Charlie Kirk.
00:29:57.680
But you know what else is going to happen? There is never going to be another assassin to take out
00:30:05.060
someone like the way they did because of what comes next. And because what comes next will be
00:30:11.700
swift, will be quick, and it will be retribution. And that's it.
00:30:19.160
Next man up as far as everybody, you know, Charlie's organization, all of it right now,
00:30:24.060
particularly this younger generation that Charlie was one of the top one or two leaders of,
00:30:29.340
they're going to test your mettle and they're going to test it right now. John Solomon joins us.
00:30:34.180
John, you working your contacts with the FBI, et cetera, were incredibly helpful to finding out
00:30:39.460
early exactly what was going on. Give us your assessment and what do we know about the shooter?
00:30:44.960
Yeah, we don't know much because he's not in custody as of yet. It looks like a professional
00:30:49.760
hit job from quite a ways away. Long shot, probably high-powered rifle, able to pierce the arteries
00:30:57.380
in the neck. So someone who's professional, it appears. That's what the FBI's early assessment is.
00:31:02.920
We're a long way from knowing a lot. It's a moment of wrecking in our country.
00:31:07.620
Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. You're using a term. You've used it twice now. You're saying this,
00:31:13.280
I mean, it was a long distance and the shot hit one of the most, you know, susceptible places
00:31:20.840
as a kill shot. You're saying you use the word professional. What do you mean by that?
00:31:25.780
Someone who knew how to handle a gun. It wasn't someone that just got a spur-of-the-moment idea
00:31:29.840
and was going to go shoot Charlie. It looks like it's from a longer distance, maybe from a building
00:31:34.080
or window away. We're still learning stuff and in the fog of war, it takes some time. So we're
00:31:38.620
going to have to sort this out. But the early assessment of law enforcement officials I talked
00:31:42.340
to is that this looked like somebody who knew how to kill and knew how to handle a gun and knew how
00:31:47.880
to set up in a way that they could assassinate someone and then possibly get away, which is what
00:31:52.780
they initially have done. They don't have anyone in custody yet. So a lot to be learned.
00:31:58.280
A lot to be learned. We're going to learn, and this story will turn.
00:32:02.780
John, in your discussions with law enforcement, we've seen some reports out there regarding range.
00:32:09.060
Now, obviously, it's still early on on that, but have you been able to confirm any of the
00:32:14.520
current assessments on how far they think the shooter was?
00:32:18.500
They don't believe the shooter was in the crowd. The angle of shot suggests that it was probably an
00:32:24.240
elevated location, which would have to be a little bit further off, much like what we saw with
00:32:27.980
President Trump's attempted assassination in Butler, where someone gets on a roof or in a
00:32:32.700
window. But they really don't. I don't. As of 40 minutes ago, they had not located the shooting
00:32:38.320
scene yet. So perhaps this person cleaning their brass up or they don't have the right location
00:32:42.860
yet. But it seems to be an elevated shot from a distance. How far distance are to say it
00:32:48.000
because they don't have the shooting location. They don't have the origination of the crime scene.
00:32:52.900
The fact that the fact that it was at a distance, it appears that was close to being perfectly
00:33:01.820
placed and that they have not found him. So this is someone who had thought through how
00:33:08.260
to exit. It leads you to believe it's just not some random at the last minute emotional, like some of
00:33:17.400
these school shootings we've seen or some of these other shootings we're seeing, that it is something
00:33:21.880
that it looks like somebody that really knew their way around weapons and the way around getting a shot
00:33:30.600
I think that's the early assessment. Early assessments change. But there is some belief that this was
00:33:35.600
intentional and thought out perhaps a little bit. Now on a college campus in the chaos, it's easy to
00:33:41.280
escape even if you're not a professional. So let's wait and see what they come up with. But
00:33:44.880
some of the early assessments of the shot, the way where it landed, where it came from,
00:33:49.480
suggests that there's some intentionality and maybe some marksman expertise in this. Let's wait
00:33:55.240
and see what it looks like. And I was with Charlie just two weeks ago in Colorado and
00:34:00.120
he talked about, you know, he gets all threats all the time and it doesn't deter him. He didn't
00:34:04.540
take these threats seriously. He said something profound to me. And that is, I said to him,
00:34:09.540
you know, I look at these Gen Z numbers and you've had a generational change on America. And he said
00:34:14.140
to me, oh, you're being so dramatic, John. Listen, it's not that simple, not that complex. What I did is
00:34:19.540
we talk about like all people needed, all young people needed was a little moral support. It's people
00:34:24.460
willing to stand shoulder to shoulder to them and say, it's okay to be conservative, to believe in freedom,
00:34:28.580
believe in the goodness of America, believe in life, believe in God, and not be bullied by teachers
00:34:33.540
or friends. And he, in such extraordinary fashion, he could summarize how simple and yet how
00:34:40.600
extraordinary the mission he set out to. And I went to one of his first conferences. He invited me
00:34:45.200
down when he was like 20. I think it was in Florida, in Palm Beach. It was like 200 kids in the audience.
00:34:50.820
And now you look and every year Charlie's organization is reaching tens of thousands of people.
00:34:55.660
And he never saw it as anything more than a simple job of just giving people moral support. I found
00:35:01.520
that remarkably refreshing when I talked to him two weeks ago. John, you're gonna follow us at six
00:35:07.540
o'clock. What is your social media? Because you break a lot of news up there, sir. Yes, sir.
00:35:12.080
Jay Solomon reports on all platforms. And of course, justinnews.com is the news website.
00:35:20.960
Posobik, you probably spent more time on the road with Charlie, more time working on things. The two
00:35:26.580
shows backed up, but you guys were in constant communication, plotting, strategizing, executing.
00:35:32.540
Your thoughts on, tell us, tell us who Charlie Kirk was.
00:35:35.520
Charlie was always thinking. Charlie was always, he was a, he was more of a chess player than people
00:35:43.000
realize because he could see angles and he could think three moves ahead, four moves ahead, five moves
00:35:51.680
ahead. He knew how to take that bank shot. Boom, boom, boom, triple rail bank shot. And he was going to
00:35:57.820
make it. If something was in his way, he was either going to take it down or he was going to get around
00:36:02.520
it because he would see these things coming. And there's so, just so many stories behind the scenes
00:36:11.040
that people don't even know people, things that Charlie has never talked about publicly once,
00:36:17.680
things that he's been involved in conversations, decisions, plans that beyond turning point,
00:36:24.680
right? The lot, the amount of lives that he touched, even beyond politics, the amount of stuff that he did
00:36:28.820
just, just as a good person for people is unlistable. It's innumerable. And the fact that
00:36:36.460
they would take something, someone like that away, the fact that they would take someone like that
00:36:42.260
away from this world. What do you mean from that? There's there, from their perspective, Charlie
00:36:46.240
Kirk was one of the top two or three people in the entire MAGA movement, right? These people are
00:36:50.700
vicious. They're playing for keeps. Of course, Charlie Kirk, that's, that's why when you gave him the
00:36:55.140
warning that Charlie was a target is because how many go back to American history, how many individuals
00:37:02.780
in their twenties, because the formation of this generation started, you know, years ago with Charlie
00:37:09.620
Kirk, how many people have had, have done to a generation when they're in that generation,
00:37:16.940
as far as leadership go? I can't, not, no one really comes to mind right now except for Charlie Kirk.
00:37:21.820
Well, I would, I would just say, you know, when you think of, you know, coming from Philadelphia,
00:37:26.420
that you look at the age of a lot of the founders and the founding generation. Exactly. Exactly. And
00:37:32.180
you see guys in their twenties and thirties and it was young men. That was a Charlie Kirk who stepped
00:37:37.540
up the age of Jefferson when he writes the declaration, when he went, and we're coming up on the 250th in
00:37:42.420
just a couple of months here. And you look at that age and there's something about that age where you're,
00:37:47.960
where you're, where you're, you're just hitting your stride. You're in your prime. You're on the top
00:37:52.120
of the world. You've got all, you've got your health. He was so healthy, Steve. He, the Charlie
00:37:57.860
Kirk was a biohacking, loved Maha health, not cold plunge every day kind of guy. I mean, half the time,
00:38:05.660
you know, he didn't drink caffeine that, that Starbucks cup. That was, that's tea. That's not
00:38:09.780
coffee. Didn't drink caffeine. He's been off a cat. He was off a caffeine for a year, I think. And
00:38:14.740
just, you know, he, he really focused on what goes into his body and really focused on, on health and
00:38:22.800
nutrition and was, was always talking about that funny behind the scenes. You know, we would talk
00:38:27.740
about that just as much as we would talk about politics or, you know, you know, argue theology
00:38:32.780
and, you know, debate back and forth, all of these various things. And I mean, they took my friend away.
00:38:39.520
You, you, you took my friend away. What is it? And, and I, let me just go ahead. I was at the
00:38:45.880
museum of the Bible earlier this week with president Trump and president Trump and he got there and he
00:38:50.060
said, America needs to pray again. And America has to have the prayer initiative. But he also talked
00:38:54.620
about this horrific situation with the, the, the young Ukrainian girl down in Charlotte. And he said,
00:39:03.280
he said, he said something, he said, sometimes you have to do horrible things to stop horrible
00:39:09.080
things. And we are now living through the era of horrible things. The September of 2025 changed
00:39:17.600
things. What's happened in this month alone? Does it send, send things in a different direction?
00:39:23.520
Last night I tweeted out that the Overton window has been stabbed to death.
00:39:32.160
The Overton window just got assassinated. The Overton window is gone. It is completely gone. There
00:39:37.400
is a gaping hole with blood gushing out of it. Now where the Overton window used to be.
00:39:44.200
I'm done. I'm, I'm done playing these games. I'm done playing games. No more games.
00:39:48.000
The, um, 60 people would argue and people do argue that the end of American greatness came
00:39:57.520
with the assassination of president Kennedy. And then you had the sixties with Martin Luther
00:40:01.380
King. You had, uh, Bobby Kennedy, Malcolm X. They then eventually father, they got to,
00:40:07.680
uh, they got to, uh, George Wallace. They had, we had a string of political assassins in Maryland,
00:40:12.060
right? In Maryland. They, they, he did not die. He was felled by an assassin's bullet. Didn't
00:40:16.360
die. A couple of times it came after Jerry Ford at close range. Yeah. You had Reagan down here at
00:40:21.180
the Hilton. President Reagan got shot at close range and came so close to death. Um, is this
00:40:27.500
an inflection point for the country when somebody is prominent as Charlie Kirk, particularly in this
00:40:33.340
movement and one of the driving forces in this movement, as far as not just an activist, but
00:40:38.480
intellectual, a leader, uh, in somebody that's done something to a generation that you have not
00:40:43.460
really seen in American history really changed the politics of a generation, right? When president,
00:40:49.240
we talk about president Trump passing the baton back, not just to who will follow him, but to
00:40:54.140
generations, two or three generations, four generations in back of him, you get the Charlie
00:40:59.640
Kirk's. Is this an inflection point, not just in our movement, but in the country's history?
00:41:04.900
And the country's history will never be the same. Now the country, we were on one path. Now we're on
00:41:09.960
another. The legacy of Charlie Kirk now will forever, forever be tied together with this
00:41:23.480
violence. We'll be tied together with the violence and the carnage of this period. And there is no way
00:41:29.420
that you can talk about this period ever without having to talk about the violent, radical Marxist
00:41:37.000
left that has been conducting killings in the street, killings on college campuses, attempted
00:41:42.840
killings in fields in Butler. There's no way that you can put this back now. And the response you see,
00:41:49.880
Steve, it is a law of the universe for every action. There is an equal and opposite reaction. And no,
00:41:58.880
I don't mean picking up arms, but what I mean is justice. I mean, do justice must be done and will be
00:42:06.720
done. We've been talking about left wing killers. We've been talking about these political assassins
00:42:11.800
for years and know what Chris Ray and all these people. And you want to talk about the trans
00:42:16.980
shooters shooting up a bunch of kids down at a Catholic school. It's done. It's absolutely done.
00:42:23.720
That was the, that was the question that Charlie Kirk perked the microphone up. They're right in the
00:42:27.460
middle of the, I think they were questioning the numbers of this transgender shooters. And Charlie
00:42:31.760
Kirk was engaged in, in, in the debate on that. Okay. We're taking a short commercial break. Jack
00:42:36.120
the soapy, so it's the right and shotgun. John Solomon's going to follow. Uh, we'll have probably
00:42:40.940
later tonight or tomorrow morning, some, uh, notifications of what we're going to be doing
00:42:45.380
over the next couple of days. Obviously, Charlie Kirk is, uh, is top of mind, top of mind for the
00:42:51.200
country, top of mind for the movement. President Trump has just ordered the flags to have staff.
00:42:54.920
I don't know if, I think we may have, uh, some footage on that. Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk, a great
00:43:00.560
man, a great man who would never sit there and go, I'm a great man. Charlie Kirk was all about
00:43:06.220
getting it done. That's what always impressed me about this guy. Everything he accomplished,
00:43:10.260
everybody's trying to get to him. Everybody's trying to praise him and hold him up. Charlie Kirk
00:43:14.100
was just at the end of the day, just a grinder, got it done. Right. And what he got done was
00:43:18.740
absolutely magnificent. He's one of the key reasons we've been able to save this country today.
00:43:24.900
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it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Besides being a very good friend, Jack, you were
00:45:05.000
almost Charlie's partner in the podcast. You follow him here in Real America's Voice. You would
00:45:09.080
you would sync your schedules. You guys travel around the country. You were live in the irony
00:45:14.120
of this. You were live on the show this afternoon when we got the announcement that Charlie had been
00:45:18.520
shot. What went through your mind? You know, look, it's it's being in the military, being intelligence,
00:45:27.740
having served at Guantanamo. It's it's just something where you you take the emotions. And I always say
00:45:33.520
you just kind of put your emotions on the shelf and you just you focus on what happened. All right,
00:45:37.620
how bad the same same same as when I got the news about Trump. It's how bad, you know, and then who
00:45:43.240
do we have booked? Get him off, you know, get him off. I just get me off air. Give me on the phone.
00:45:48.800
Give me information. What happened? What's the latest? What's the situation? And then as it came out
00:45:55.140
more and more and more, it's you just have to think you guys think, all right, has anyone informed
00:46:00.580
Erica, you know, is she given the green light to put this information out, et cetera, et cetera,
00:46:05.380
because this is obviously the most sensitive thing that you could talk about in a situation like this,
00:46:12.160
you know, but then you're just inundated. My phone, I'm sure yours, too, just won't stop
00:46:16.760
ringing. And I'm barely responding to anyone outside of just the family. And Tanya, of course,
00:46:22.980
calling and she's close with Erica. So she's, she's powering through. And, you know, you have
00:46:31.600
to think and it's weirdly enough, part of me is just thinking, you know, hey, we have the show
00:46:36.700
Thursday. What, you know, I'm trying to think of my schedule Thursday. I'm like, oh, yeah, what time
00:46:40.440
is Charlie free? What time are we going to tape the show? And this is your special podcast. We do the
00:46:45.060
thought crime show. Yeah. And it and it and it just and you've got to sync the schedules like we've been
00:46:49.960
doing it doing it for, you know, a couple of years now. And and and it just hasn't kicked hasn't set
00:46:55.140
in yet that, you know, we we're not going to do that show or any more shows. Yeah, that won't kick
00:47:00.440
in for you. Also, the the coverage he would do, the amazing coverage of all the elections of the
00:47:04.900
Carrie Lake situation out in Arizona. Election night. The stolen election. It's so many being with
00:47:09.680
them on election. So many memories. And this guy, I'm telling you, for someone that had risen so fast,
00:47:15.980
a lot of times it goes to people's heads. Right. And they they become too
00:47:19.620
precious. They can't do it. Charlie Kirk today. He was assassinated doing what he's been doing for
00:47:27.120
years and years and years. Other people could do that. But Charlie Kirk was doing it at Utah Valley
00:47:33.400
University in front of looks like three to five thousand kids in the high noon and the lunch break
00:47:37.840
and sitting right there. And what would you say, Jack, if you disagree with me, come to the front,
00:47:42.940
come to the front, come to the front. Look, Charlie, he wanted that back and forth, but not out of anger,
00:47:48.580
not out of a place of he wanted to humiliate them or embarrass them or something like that,
00:47:55.000
because he wanted to actually try to communicate with them. And that's what he would do is he would
00:48:00.220
find a way to find out something personal about that person. And I've watched his technique for
00:48:06.140
years and he would try to find a way to come out outside of politics, get to the core of what made
00:48:13.340
that person tick and then start to have a conversation there outside of the combativeness.
00:48:18.980
Tej Gill, you join us. You did, what, 16 tours. You've had a lot of very close friends
00:48:24.540
killed in combat. Today we had a political assassination. Charlie Kirk, 31 years old,
00:48:30.440
one of the great leaders in the United States of America and one of the leaders of his generation,
00:48:35.020
cut down in cold blood by an assassin's bullet. Your thoughts, sir?
00:48:38.200
Yeah. First, I just want to say my condolences to Charlie Kirk's family and to America. This is a
00:48:46.980
huge tragedy. It's crazy to think that these things are happening regularly now. Look,
00:48:55.040
they tried to kill Trump twice last summer. There's murders on the subways. It's crazy what's going on
00:49:03.140
in America. This left-wing ideology is becoming more and more radicalized as the years and the
00:49:11.720
months go by. You shouldn't have to have armed security everywhere you go. You shouldn't have
00:49:20.920
to look over your shoulder everywhere you go. This is absolutely sickening that somebody killed Charlie
00:49:26.460
Kirk at a college. It's absolutely sickening, Steve. It's horrible. It's terrible. And the irony
00:49:34.480
of this is this left-wing ideology is born from the college professors. That's who's radicalizing our
00:49:43.480
children. The young men and young women, when they go to college, they get radicalized by these
00:49:48.300
college professors. And it's getting to the point where it's almost as dangerous as radical Islam.
00:49:53.920
It's the whole propaganda all the way through, and their ideas don't work. And so when their
00:50:00.440
ideas don't work, they strike out like children. They're getting more and more radical and more
00:50:05.780
and more popular. Because they've lost power. They've lost control of the narrative. They've
00:50:10.480
lost soft power. They've lost political power. This is all they have left. So that is why they
00:50:15.480
are turning to the Mangione tactics. That's why they're turning violent, because it's all they
00:50:20.560
have left. And who was it that said it? The most radical communist of them all, Chairman Mao.
00:50:27.020
Political power grows through the barrel of a gun.
00:50:32.200
And they're killing our children, Steve. These transvestite shooters are going in
00:50:36.900
to this Catholic school last month and whatever school. But it's absolutely sickening. They're
00:50:45.400
attacking our children through their transvestites. You know, they're killing political figures that
00:50:51.380
they don't agree with. They're desperate to hang on to power any way possible. And even if it means
00:50:59.520
killing people in the United States of America, the land of the free, the home of the brave,
00:51:04.620
the free speech country, they want to silence conservatives. They want to silence white people.
00:51:11.220
It's it's absolutely sickening what is going on. And this should not happen in America. This is
00:51:16.980
this is the safe haven of the world. We are the leader of the free world. We're the leader of
00:51:23.060
Christianity and people are being murdered every day. It's horrible.
00:51:28.440
Tej, we've got to bounce. Thank you so much. Jack Posobiec, closing thoughts on one of the great ones.
00:51:32.940
Charlie Kirk, assassinated today on the what, 10th of September in the year of our Lord, 2025 at just
00:51:39.000
after high noon mountain time in right outside Salt Lake City, Utah.
00:51:43.740
Look, just like when you went away, Steve, even though that was a brief time, what you said,
00:51:50.480
I'm going to say it again. It's next man up. Turning Point USA will never die. The movement that
00:51:57.080
Charlie started will never die. And Charlie Kirk will be forever remembered now and at all for all times.
00:52:07.180
Jack Posobiec and I got a shove off. We're going to turn it over to John Solomon.
00:52:12.640
John Solomon is going to take it from here in Real America's Voice, the home of the Charlie Kirk
00:52:17.400
show. We won't be tossing it to Charlie Kirk tomorrow. People got to embrace that.
00:52:22.420
Steve, you know what Charlie would say to us when he's looking down? He'd say, hey, guys, get to work.
00:52:25.920
Yeah, figure it out. Figure it out. Figure it out. You have to embrace that. The future is not
00:52:33.080
guaranteed to anyone. Remember that. Remember that in the fight we have. And I will tell the left and
00:52:39.520
those people cheering this on and that crowd over MSNBC, Matthew Dowd and that crowd, we have not yet
00:52:45.480
begun to fight. Turn it over now to John Solomon at Real America's Voice, just the news.
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