Episode 4788： If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies
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Summary
Erica tells the story of how her son, Charlie Kirk, was hit by a car and killed instantly, and how her family and friends rushed to the scene to try and save his life. This is a powerful and moving story.
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We have time before we get our new guest up, or can we play the Charlie Kirk Doctor?
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Now, here's what Erica wants me to relate on Sunday.
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This is going to be the hard part, but maybe also the comforting part.
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My three sons are a little bit older than Charlie.
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So when he was hit, if your son got hit, what would you do?
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Because if there was any way I could save him, I had to do something.
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And I couldn't just, we're going to just take him.
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And I'm on one side, and there's actually some video of this.
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I'm on one side of the car, the right side, and they're getting Charlie in.
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I pop the top, the back gate open, and I jump in the back.
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And Charlie's laid out in front, just right in front of me.
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And Charlie's so tall, we can't close the door.
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We drove four miles, I don't know, it's four something miles, all the way to the hospital
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To this day, I don't know how Brian stayed in the car.
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We're, you know, we're trying to do, we're trying to stop the bleeding.
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And I'm yelling, come on, Charlie, come on, come on.
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My son and daughter-in-law are hearing this whole thing.
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And his security team, again, Justin, Dan, Brian, and Rick, they love Charlie.
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But they're much cooler than I, I mean, they're just carrying out, they're calmly, but they're
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swiftly doing exactly what they were trained to do.
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We're yelling, come on, let's go, let's go, let's go.
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And we're, we're doing the best we can to navigate traffic.
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And suddenly there's an ambulance coming toward us.
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The doctor later said that was the right thing to do.
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We're still heading to the hospital trying to get there.
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At one point, somebody says, let's get there in one piece because we're just, we're cutting
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through intersections, you know, we're just beeping the horn.
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He was killed instantly and felt absolutely no pain.
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And by the way, there was just nothing, nothing any of us could do about it.
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We were giving him CPR, but nothing was happening.
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It wasn't like if we had better first aid or we had better medical facilities or we were
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faster to the hospital, we could have saved him.
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So if that's any comfort at all, Charlie didn't suffer.
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He was with Jesus absent from the body present with the Lord.
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When we got to the hospital and they started working on him right away, they did get a pulse
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And so Rick and I were just, everyone's praying.
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And the doctor later said that we got a pulse because Charlie was a very healthy man, but
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So 20 or 30 minutes later, the surgeon came out and said he was dead.
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Thursday, 18 September, Year of the Lord, 2025.
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We had a break for the press conference in at Checkers and Dr.
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Peter Navarro had to take a meeting over in the West Wing.
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He's going to rejoin us approximately 1130 to go through that.
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Charlie Kirk, this is why huge announcement overnight, President of the United States going
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to designate Antifa and affiliate organizations, a major terrorist organization.
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And this will now expand from what the authorities out in Utah were doing, which is a murder, just
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a typical murder case to something that's going to really get to the bottom of it.
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And I think you see, and you know my opinion on this ridiculous set of text messages that
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are trying to foist on us, which is absurd to do.
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I think he's over at Turning Point right now who joins us this afternoon.
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I want to bring on, because of the, what happened at this press conference about the, there was
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this massive deal, excuse me, before the press conference earlier today, some of the audience
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might not have caught it, but there was a huge announcement of this transaction for nuclear
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power and, you know, $400 billion and all of this technology we're going to provide.
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And it's all down to about artificial intelligence.
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I want to bring on the authors of a book that I think is a must read for every person in this
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It's about artificial intelligence and two of the individuals that have been there from
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the beginning and know both the benefits and huge upside of artificial intelligence, but
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Eliza Yudkowski and Nate Soros, Yud and Nate, thank you for joining us here in the war room.
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Weren't you the guy, just like a year or so ago, and Joe Allen, I was going through some
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Weren't you the guy that said, hey, if this thing gets so out of control, I will be the
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I was saying that we needed an international treaty and was being plain that the international
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treaty needed to be willing to be backed up by force, including on non-signatory nations.
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This wasn't about individuals trying to stop a data center.
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I don't think that's going to be all that effective.
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You ban it in your own country, it moves to others.
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You know, it's not, it's not the kind of product which just kills the voluntary customers or
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even people standing next to the voluntary customers.
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This is something that endangers people on the other side of the planet.
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This is the sort of treaty that needs to be backed up by force.
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So, yeah, that is a, it's kind of a brilliant concept, right?
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And you're saying that even non-signatories would have to take out.
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What is it about this technology that potentially could be so dangerous to humanity?
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Because all we hear, all we get, we get glazed every day.
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We get glazed at how this is so wonderful and this is so tremendous and you got, you've
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got Larry Fink, you got Steve Schwartzman, you have the head of Apple.
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They're all over there cheering this on because of artificial intelligence.
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You know, Oracle's now on fire because of artificial intelligence.
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Why are you, as somebody who knows this and have been there since the beginning, so concerned
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about it, you think there has to be a treaty that potentially nations of the world
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would have to take it upon themselves or in unison to go take out the data centers, sir?
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There's a limit to how far you can push this technology, how much benefit you can get out
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We're already starting to see the artificial intelligences that are being built today
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doing minor amounts of damage that their builders, the people who don't, you know,
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At some point, it gets smarter than you, able to invent new technologies we don't have.
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And at that point, I think that the current minor incidents of loss of control are going
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to turn into catastrophic end-of-the-world type incidents.
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I think it's actually going to happen that way.
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I want to make sure the audience understands this.
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Just explain to our audience why this is fundamentally different than computer programs and neural networks
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and other things that have been crafted in the past.
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Yeah, so when an AI cheats on a programming problem, which we're starting to see a little bit of that these days,
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is this is a case where the AI has, in some sense, it's been trained to succeed at certain types of tasks
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and does it in ways – what am I trying to say?
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There's no line in the code that is, make this AI cheat on the program problems.
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When AIs do things nobody wants, nobody asks for, there's no line in the code that a programmer can go in and fix
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These AIs, we gather a huge amount of computing power and we gather a huge amount of data
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and we shape the computing power to be better at predicting the data.
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Humans understand the process that does the shaping.
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Humans don't understand what comes out of the shaping process.
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These things are – and the result, the result that comes out of the shaping process,
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it does all sorts of things that we weren't asking for these days.
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These are small now, they're cute now, but they're indications that we are starting to get AIs
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that have something a little bit like drives, something a little bit like goals
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We keep making them smarter and they have goals we didn't want.
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Right now, the drive – and correct me if I'm wrong – the four horsemen or five horsemen of the apocalypse,
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the company that's driving this, all of them are committed to artificial general intelligence.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, I believe your guy's thesis is that artificial –
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since we don't really understand artificial intelligence that well,
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hurtling towards superintelligence or AGI will be uncontrollable and lead to a catastrophe
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Is that – is basically that your central argument?
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There is no established science for how to make smarter-than-human machines that aren't dangerous.
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If we keep pushing on making AI smarter and smarter while not having any ability to direct them to do good things,
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the default outcome is just these AIs get to the point where they can invent their own technology,
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to the point where they can build their own infrastructure, and then we die as a side effect.
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We're trying to get many of them organized and get a bigger platform.
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But if you look at the business press, if you look at just the general news,
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if you look at what's coming out of Washington, it's all this super cheerleading.
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I mean, I don't know if you saw the earlier announcement about the nuclear power plants,
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but it was all about AI, AI, AI, and Starmer just sitting there with his pom-poms out.
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Why is it people like you guys who are very involved and know this and have been there since the beginning,
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why are these voices not getting a bigger platform right now?
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So I think a lot of people don't understand the difference between chatbots that we have today
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The explicitly stated goal of these companies, as you said, is to create smarter-than-human AI,
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to create AI that can outperform humans at any mental task.
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They, you know, five years ago, the computers could not hold on a conversation.
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I think a lot of people in Washington think that that's all AI can do and all it will be able to do
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just because, you know, they haven't seen what's coming down the line.
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And it can be hard to anticipate what's coming down the line.
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I am hopeful that as people notice that we're keeping making these machines smarter,
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as they notice what these companies are racing towards,
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I'm hopeful that they'll realize we need to stop rushing towards this cliff edge.
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Do you think, we've got about 60 seconds here, Nate,
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do you think that that's being presented on Capitol Hill or anywhere in the media right now,
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that what you're saying needs to be done is being done?
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Not very well, but I'm very glad we're having this conversation.
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And I'm hoping that the book makes a big splash because a lot of people,
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you know, a lot more people are worried about these dangers than you might think.
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And we've spoken to some people who say they're worried and say they can't talk about it
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And then we see polls saying that lots of the population is worried.
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So, I think this is a message that has its moment to break out.
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And I'm hoping the world wakes up to this danger.
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It is a warning and a deeply thought through warning to humanity and to the citizens of
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Guys, we've been accused a lot on the war room of being Luddites, that we just don't
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But I keep telling people, I say, hey, in this regard, all I'm doing is putting out the
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information of some of the smartest guys that were there at the beginning of the building
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Now, can folks make the argument against you guys that you just have become a proto-Luddites
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You know, there are many technologies that I am quite bullish on.
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I personally think America should be building more nuclear power.
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I personally think we should be building supersonic jets.
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It's different when a technology risks the lives of everybody on the planet, and this
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You have the Nobel laureate, prize-winning founder of the field saying he thinks this
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You have people inside these labs saying, yes, it's very dangerous, but we're going to
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rush ahead anyway, even at the risk of the entire world.
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If a bridge was going to collapse with very high probability, we wouldn't say, well, we
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need to leave it up for the sake of technology.
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You know, when NASA launches rockets into space, it accepts a 1 in 270 risk of that rocket
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blowing up, and those are volunteer astronauts on the crew.
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That's the sort of risk they're willing to accept.
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With AI, we are dealing with much, much higher dangers than that.
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We're dealing with a technology that just kills you.
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We're trying to build smarter-than-human machines while having no idea of how to point them in
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To imagine that this is Luddites, we're not saying, oh, this is going to have some bad
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You know, AIs may have those effects, but the chatbots may have those effects, but a
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But that's just the default course this technology takes.
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It's not that humanity cannot progress technologically.
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It's that we shouldn't race over a cliff edge in the name of technology.
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We need to find some saner way forward towards the higher tech future.
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Okay, so yeah, to Nate's point, you know, we had this thing in England today where they're
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full-on, all nuclear powers because we need it.
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You know, all the climate change guys, forget that.
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We need this because we've got to have artificial intelligence.
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You have this concept of a treaty, like maybe the Geneva Treaty after the wars, to have nations
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However, all you hear, we're the leader of the anti-CCP movement in this country, have
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I'm sanctioned fully by the Chinese Communist Party.
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I can't have any association with any Chinese company or people because we represent Lao
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What they're holding up to us is that if we follow Yud and Nate and what they want to
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do in the war room, that the CCP, particularly after Deep Seek, what they call the Sputnik moment,
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that the Chinese Communist Party is going to build this technology, and then we're going
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to have the most evil dictatorship in the world, have control of the most evil technology ever
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created, and we're going to be at their beck and call.
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We have not advocated that the United States or the United Kingdom, for that matter, try
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to unilaterally relinquish artificial intelligence.
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Our position is that you need an international treaty.
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The Chinese government has at least overtly seemed on some occasions to present a posture
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of being willing to acknowledge that AI is a worldwide matter and that there might be
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cause for coordination among nations to prevent the Earth itself from being wiped out.
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We have had countries that hated each other work together to prevent global thermonuclear war,
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You look back at history, in the 1950s, a lot of people thought humanity wasn't going to
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make it, or at least civilization wasn't going to make it, that we were going to have a nuclear
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And that wasn't them enjoying being pessimistic.
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They thought that what was going to happen is that every country was going to build its own
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nuclear fleet, and eventually there would be a spark, and the world would go up in flames.
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And the reason it didn't happen is because of some pretty serious efforts put forth by
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countries that in many cases hated each other's guts to at least work together on not all
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Nate, before I let you guys bounce, can you explain the title of the book?
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I mean, what we mean is that if humanity builds smarter than human AI using anything
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remotely like the current technology and anything remotely like the current lack of
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understanding, then every human being will die.
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Superintelligence can transform the world more than that.
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And this title also goes back to the point about China.
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It's not that great dictators would be able to control this great power if they made it.
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If you make a superintelligence, you don't have that superintelligence.
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You've just created an entity that has the planet.
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Artificial intelligence would be able to radically transform the world.
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And if we don't know how to make it do good things, we shouldn't do it at all.
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And we are nowhere near close being able to point superintelligence in a good direction.
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So humanity needs to back off from this challenge.
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All I can say is the forces of capital, the forces of politics, human avarice and greed,
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and also the need for power makes this, you know, we fight big pharma.
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The fights we have every day are massive against long odds.
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But I tell people, this is the hardest one I've ever seen because of what's happened.
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And I said at that time at Davos, when we had the thing at Davos, when Chad GPT came out,
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I said, you wait till venture capital and Wall Street gets involved.
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You know, Steve, it would be a very different thing if Elie Zarykowski and Nate Soares
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were making these accusations or, at the very least, issuing these warnings in a vacuum.
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If the tech companies, for instance, were just simply saying, we're building tools,
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these guys are accusing us of building gods, they're crazy, it'd be a very different situation.
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Every one of them, even the most moderate, like Demis Isavas, but certainly Sam Altman,
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Elon Musk, even Dario Amadei, they all are talking about the creation of artificial general
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And so when we first started covering, when you first brought me on four and a half years ago,
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we hit a lot of the points that Yudkowsky was making.
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We would show videos and try to explain to the audience.
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And they, by and large, didn't really grasp the reality of it
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because it wasn't as much of a reality four and a half years ago.
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In just that short amount of time, we've seen the creation of systems
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We saw at the very beginning, GPT was not supposed to be online.
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Basically, all the warnings that Yudkowsky gave early on when AI was hitting the headlines,
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My question for Yudkowsky would be this, and for Suarez.
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You live in and among the most techno-saturated culture in the country, San Francisco.
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Can you give us some insight into the mentality of the people who are willing to barrel ahead,
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no matter what, and create these systems, even if that means the end of the human race?
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So, some of them have just come out and said, you know,
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I had a choice between being a bystander and being a participant,
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That is, in some sense, enough to explain why these people are barreling ahead,
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although I think in real life there's a bunch of other explanations, too,
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like the people who started these companies back in 2015
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are the sort of people who are able to convince themselves it would be okay
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to gamble with the whole civilization like this.
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You know, we've seen comments like back in 2015, I believe,
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AI might kill us all, but there'll be good companies along the way.
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artificial general intelligence will probably kill us all,
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but there will be great companies made along the way.
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I don't know the exact quote, but that mentality,
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it's not someone taking seriously what they're doing.
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It's not someone treating with gravity what they're doing.
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This wouldn't be an issue if they couldn't also make greater and greater intelligences.
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But in this world where we're just growing intelligences,
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and are the most optimistic people that were foolish enough to start the companies
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can just grow these AIs to be smarter and smarter,
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You know, when Jeffrey Hinton, now Nobel laureate Jeffrey Hinton,
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sort of woke up and noticed that it was starting to be real,
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he quit Google and started speaking out about these issues more openly.
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Now, who knows how much money he was turning down by doing that,
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And, you know, that's one kind of person that you have on the playing field.
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And then you've also got the, you know, the people who were selected and filtered
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for being the sort of people who would, you know,
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back when OpenAI started, go over to Elon Musk and say, you know,
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you know how we can solve the problem of these things we can't control?
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This was, you know, this was always kind of moon logic,
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but they sure got Elon's money and then, you know, took it and ran off.
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And that's just the kind of people we're dealing with here.
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purchase of this book, which we're going to break down and spend more time on, folks, in the days ahead.
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There's a movie called Mountainhead, which basically has actors playing Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, I think Zuckerberg, and Altman.
00:31:26.060
And it's actually kind of dark to begin with, but it turns very dark when one becomes – they identify one as a decelerationist.
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I would decelerate any technology that could wipe us all out and prevent us from learning from mistakes.
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Every other technology, I think we need to go full steam ahead and are sometimes hobbling ourselves.
00:31:50.940
But AI in particular, any technology that kills everybody and leaves no survivors, you can't rush ahead on that.
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If a product only kills the voluntary customers and maybe the person who sold it, that's kind of between them.
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I might have sympathy, but not to the point where I try to take over their lives about it.
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If a product kills people standing next to the customer, it's a regional matter.
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Different cities, different states can make different rules about it.
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If a product kills people on the other side of the planet, that's everybody's problem.
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And, you know, yeah, you don't have to agree with me to want humanity to not die here about this part.
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But I would happen to, you know, go full steam ahead on nuclear power.
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Artificial intelligence, you know, gain-of-function research on viruses might be another thing.
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But, you know, it does actually differ by the technology.
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You don't have – there's not this one switch that's set to excel or deset.
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I might add we were the first show in January of 2020 to say about what the University of North Carolina was doing on gain-of-function was a danger to humanity.
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And we're laughed at by the mainstream media as being conspiracy theorists.
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Yud, what is your – what are your coordinates?
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How do people follow you, your thinking, your writing?
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Look forward to having you back and break down this book even more.
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Thank you, guys, for joining us in the war room.
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First off, you're one of the ambassadors of Turning Point.
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Give me your thoughts of what's evolved this week.
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And, you know, we've got Charlie's funeral or celebration of life on Sunday.
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Give me your – you knew him extremely well, and you do the faith show here on Real America's Voice.
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It's been a turning point for not just America, but for the world.
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And for this to happen to him is just devastating to so many people.
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And so many people are wondering, what do we do?
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And I say silence is not an option at this point.
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So that's what I'm trying to do with my Faith and Freedom show right here on Real America's Voice.
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I think I am the oldest Turning Point ambassador.
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That's just biological – that's chronological age.
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Hey, I just – I'm just calling it – I'm just calling balls and strikes here.
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He's young at heart, or it's like parenting a young child.
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Steve, that's a whole other podcast, okay, about Ted and trying to stay young.
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There is a study recently about epigenetics, which is the science that shows your DNA is not your destiny.
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None of us eat right, so we all take supplements, right?
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But there are so many different fruit and vegetable supplements on the market, and if you study their ingredients, which I have, I'm a label reader, it's just common produce with limited nutritional value.
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And in this study, Steve, they wanted to see how diet, exercise, and lifestyle changed your real age.
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And this is fascinating to me, but some of the participants, they ate their normal diets, including fast food, they didn't exercise anymore, and they didn't stop drinking.
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Not us that have all the – about this Texas A&M study, but also I get an energy boost, Shemaine, just every day.
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I want to thank you for all you do, and particularly being an ambassador and helping the folks over at Turning Point, particularly in this very difficult phase for the movement, for the company, for Erica, the kids, everybody.
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So I really want to thank you for joining us today.
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If we remain silent, relief and deliverance is going to come from someplace else.
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You've been with the president now for 10 years.
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But tell me about – you wrote this piece that's pretty moving, and I think it's so tied to your book about you went to prison so that we don't have to.
00:38:51.460
Steve, I really want people to understand the legacy of Charlie Kirk historically.
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He certainly would have been a governor, but already at 31 years old, he's the greatest political organizer in the last 50 years.
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And if you compare him to the two who were there at the top before Charlie Kirk, Ralph Reed on the right, David Axelrod on the left.
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What Ralph Reed did with the Christian coalition is mobilize the Christian right to get out and actually vote.
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He was responsible for the Gingrich revolution in 1994 as well as the Bush win in 2000.
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And then Axelrod on the left, he was able to mobilize a natural Democrat constituent, blacks, Hispanics, and young people, used micro-targeting, some advanced kind of techniques at the time, and basically won the race for Obama in 2008.
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The reason why Charlie is head and shoulders above each one of them is he had a much heavier lift, Steve.
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To mobilize the youth in support of MAGA and Trump and MAGA candidates in Congress, he had to first bring him over to our side.
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When I first met him, Charlie, back in 2016, young kid, thinking he was going to go out there and change the viewpoint of the youth of America, I thought he was Don Quixote.
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And people need to understand father, husband, patriot, just a wonderful human being that's here.
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But in terms of pure historical significance, he will go down in history as the greatest political organizer in the last 50 years.
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And I don't think anybody's ever going to do, again, what he did because it's relatively easy to mobilize.
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It's very difficult to persuade people over to your side and then mobilize, Steve.
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I want to, because you got your PhD at Harvard, then you went back, you taught in the university system.
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When I first saw Charlie, I think Breitbart's the first guy to give him a paid gig.
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But some of the people around Breitbart were what financed him at the very beginning when he was going after student governments.
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And I think many people who thought Charlie was just a ball of fire thought it was the longest odds.
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And you thought so, too, because the universities, as we know now, it is based around this kind of radical philosophy.
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And the kids are formed all the way from kindergarten all the way up.
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So that is, to me, the greatness of Charlie Kirk, that he was able to go in and just do this when so many people said, hey, look, this guy's great.
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And you knew it better than anybody because you were inside the belly of the beast.
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Well, I spent 25 years at the University of California in Irvine.
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And if there's a system that ever was woke, that certainly is it.
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But what Charlie understood, he didn't start at Harvard and Cornell.
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He understood that most of the universities in this country are in flyover country.
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He went out there and Socratically, I mean, when I taught in the classroom, I was a big fan of the Socratic method.
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You've got to have them come to their own conclusions.
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And that's how Charlie was able to bring people home to MAGA.
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I mean, fast forward, it's like when I got out of prison, you know, the day I got out of prison,
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July 17th, I went to the Republican National Committee, gave the speech.
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The title of the book is actually a tagline from the speech.
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But I mentioned this in the context of Charlie because I didn't even know this.
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And he was giving a speech on my birthday, July 15th, two days before me.
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And he said, I visited college campuses so you won't have to.
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And it, I mean, the way I just, somehow it struck a warm chord in me.
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And, yeah, I'm on the campaign trail getting out of prison with the boss.
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My fiancee Pixie in the book, I call her Bonnie.
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And then during the transition, he was essentially Sergio Gore's co-pilot there, putting all the personnel together in the administration.
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And, look, the boss, Charlie was like a son to Donald John Trump, as well as a key advisor, one of his most trusted advisors.
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I'm going to try to hitch a ride out on the Korean Air Force One on Sunday and be there.
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I want to hold you through the break because I want to talk about the book for a second.
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You can't be on tonight because you're going to be at one of the conferences.
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I'm going to get you back on hopefully tomorrow.
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We had a historic interview today on the book, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.
00:47:25.720
If the audience wants to hear the in-depth interview I did with Nate Soros a couple of weeks ago,
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it's right at the top of my social media, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
00:47:39.240
Also an article about the hearing two days ago with Josh Hawley and the parents of children
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That's also up at the top of my social media, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z or JoeBot.X-Y-Z.
00:47:55.360
We are backed up on a lot of stuff because of the Charlie Kirk situation was obviously a priority,
00:48:00.720
including designated Antifa a terrorist group so we can get to the bottom of all of it
00:48:05.360
and not just have this dealt with by Utah officials as a single murder.
00:48:09.700
It's much deeper than that, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:48:14.840
Josh Hawley was supposed to be here today, but of course we had the press conference.
00:48:18.160
And right there on the screen you see the President of the United States getting ready to leave
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to go to the airfield to take Air Force One back.
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Peter Navarro, one of President Trump's closest advisors,
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I think he's the only one that's been there from the very, very, very beginning that's still there.
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Why should, in a world of all this information and everything going on,
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as big a hero as you are to this movement, as highly respected as you are by President Trump,
00:48:49.640
because you're kind of the architect with him of the reorganization of the world's trading patterns,
00:48:55.540
why should people buy a book about you and your days in prison, sir?
00:49:03.040
And I would ask the posse to go right now to Amazon.
00:49:08.720
The book is really the best analysis of how the left is going after all of this.
00:49:16.940
If they can come for me, if they can come for Steve Bannon, put him in prison,
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if they can try to put Trump in prison now, they shot Charlie Kirk.
00:49:27.360
And I'll take you into prison, and I went to prison so you won't have to.
00:49:31.720
But the broad scope here, Steve, is really an analysis about the asymmetry,
00:49:37.680
the disturbing asymmetry between how the left is waging war on this.
00:49:43.520
You mentioned everybody I serve with, Steve, including you, has been a target of the left.
00:49:52.220
At a minimum, they've spent millions of dollars in legal fees,
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whether it's Mike Flynn or America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
00:50:01.620
They take the bar cards of Jeff Clark, John Eastman.
00:50:05.000
And on the other end, Steve, you and I went to prison.
00:50:07.960
And everybody who put us there, every single person was a Democrat except Liz Cheney.
00:50:16.440
How can the Democrats seize power and use that to put us in prison and call us fascists?
00:50:30.620
It's a story about how we must wake up to what's happening.
00:50:37.460
But look, if you want to find out what it's like to go into prison for a misdemeanor
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and wind up spending four months with 200 felons, this is the book.
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And you know, Bonnie, my fiancé, it's also a story about how we were able to cope and deal with that.
00:50:59.020
The message there is simply that she did the time with me.
00:51:02.200
And that's what happens when people are unjustly targeted by the left.
00:51:12.880
But when they go after our families, that's where you draw the line.
00:51:21.540
If they steal the election in 2028, trust me, this audience, they're going to be coming for you.
00:51:26.020
You see now, we're in a different place than we even back then.
00:51:29.060
This is getting more and more intense every day.
00:51:31.580
That's why Navarro's book has got to be written because it's actually for you and about you.
00:51:36.860
It ain't about Navarro, not about me, not about President Trump.
00:51:43.780
And understand, like I said, there's nothing, there's no compromise here.
00:51:49.000
One side's going to win and one side's going to lose.
00:51:50.800
And if they steal it in 2028, they're coming for you.
00:51:53.460
Peter, where do people go to get your writings?
00:51:55.460
Where do they go to get, in particular, your great piece on Charlie Kirk?
00:52:00.580
The book, I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
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Please drive this thing up to bestsellers so we get the message out.
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I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To on Amazon.
00:52:15.820
The piece about Charlie is very close to my heart.
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It will be up on my sub-stack on Sunday as we celebrate Charlie on that sacred Sunday that we're about to have.
00:52:35.340
And you can always go to my sub-stack, peternavar.substack.com.
00:52:38.480
But, Steve, I really appreciate what the War Room does.
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I appreciate being able to come talk about I went to prison so you won't have to.
00:52:47.660
And C-SPAN is running a long, hour-long interview on Sunday at 8 p.m.
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You're going to be on Saturday, and also you're going to be on Sunday.
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We're doing wall-to-wall coverage live from the stadium.
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Mike Lindell, it's been a long, tough morning for the War Room.
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