Bannon's War Room - Episode 4804： Looming Government Shutdown Can Lead To More Layoffs And Resurrection Of The Left's Bloody Legacy

00:00:00.000 Former FBI director and outspoken Trump critic James Comey is expected to be indicted by the

00:00:05.800 Department of Justice in the coming days. At this point, it's not even clear what Comey would be

00:00:10.900 charged with. Sources tell MSNBC that one component may be an allegation of lying to Congress almost

00:00:17.960 exactly five years ago during testimony about whether he authorized a leak. And that five-year

00:00:23.760 anniversary is actually quite important here. Comey's congressional testimony at issue was

00:00:28.260 September 30th, 2020, as you see, given there remotely, which means that the five-year statute

00:00:35.240 of limitations expires next Tuesday, September 30th, 2020. If this Department of Justice, the Trump

00:00:42.340 Department of Justice, wants to charge Comey with this dubious crime, well, it needs to do so before

00:00:47.740 then. Both Comey's lawyer and spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's Office declined comment to MSNBC,

00:00:52.940 but this looks on its face like a wildly blatant abuse of the justice system, certainly far

00:00:59.020 exceeding anything that we have ever seen since Watergate, at least. It's the culmination of an

00:01:05.820 explicit in the open effort to use the Department of Justice to persecute and prosecute Trump's

00:01:13.180 political opponents and perceive them. A zombie democracy. And there's so many parallels. When you

00:01:20.160 talk about this, it's like Hungary. And again, Donald Trump told us, I love Orban. He's a strong man.

00:01:31.640 We need a leader like Orban. Well, looks like we might get one. Yeah, if you're waiting for, 1.00

00:01:39.100 you know, goose-stepping stormtroopers to go marching down Constitution Avenue, I don't think

00:01:45.260 that that's likely to happen. If you're looking for, you know, millions of people to be chanting

00:01:50.000 his name, it doesn't happen. As I wrote, people leave his rallies early when they get bored. No one

00:01:56.560 left the Nuremberg rallies early. So it's not the parallel to look for. The parallel is today. It's

00:02:03.960 it's in Hungary. It's in Venezuela. It's in Turkey. It's in India. It's democracies that erode that

00:02:10.340 don't collapse overnight, that erode. And what happens is, one by one, the checks on the leader's

00:02:17.540 power disappear or fold. Congress becomes a rubber stamp. That's happening. The civil service

00:02:27.120 has turned into a legion of toadies. Now, on the GDP side, this is our third time around the block

00:02:34.380 on Q2. And we see a really solid revision, 3.8%. I'm a bit shocked, to be honest. Usually,

00:02:42.500 the revisions, as you get to second and third, become smaller and smaller. So 3.8% would be the

00:02:47.560 best quarter going back to, and we have to go back a ways here, to 4.4. And that was the third

00:02:53.660 quarter of 23. Now, it is important to point out that if you look at the first quarter final,

00:02:59.660 down half a percent, there's a balance there. But the balance is moving in favor. Momentum is

00:03:04.920 moving in favor for better growth. I think, you know, one thing that stands out to me as someone

00:03:08.600 who is not as close to these types of issues as the two of you is with Trump so often, right,

00:03:13.840 like the chaos is the point. So he can publicly name and publicly shame and point fingers and get on

00:03:18.900 X and post whatever he wants. It's incredibly difficult for the average American

00:03:23.060 to keep up with, okay, this guy's in, this guy's out, this guy's indicted, Comey, what did he do

00:03:28.400 again, right? It all sort of collides together into this giant ball of chaos where what's happening

00:03:35.060 is ultimately despicable. But the average American, I think, has a very difficult time even discerning

00:03:40.320 what Trump is up to here. Kevin, how would you assess the macro story today?

00:03:45.060 Right. Well, the macro story right now is, first of all, that inflation has dropped sharply

00:03:50.100 since President Trump took office. Growth has been very high. We've got industrial production

00:03:56.240 at an all-time high. Capital spending up 8% so far this year. Mortgage rates are down in part

00:04:01.860 because of the tariff revenues down by about 70 basis points. So the typical new home buyer right

00:04:07.160 now is saving $250 a month because of the lower interest rates because of these policies. And the

00:04:12.480 thing when we go back and talk about the disappointing Fed policies that the president's talked about,

00:04:17.260 you know, one of the things that I've found odd, and Governor Myron has been talking about it,

00:04:22.540 is that economic theorists know that if tariffs have any effect on prices, that it'll be a one-time

00:04:28.360 adjustment, not an increase in inflation. And to have Austin Goolsbee and a lot of the other people

00:04:33.660 that are on the FOMC talking about how inflation is why they're being so restrictive is, you know,

00:04:40.540 contrary to fundamental economic policy, economic theory. And I think that Governor Myron is just

00:04:46.480 pointing that out. And I actually see watching the Fed people discuss inflation and tariffs over

00:04:52.620 the last few days, that they're moving towards the consensus, which is the economic consensus, that

00:04:57.340 if there were to be a price increase from tariffs, that it would not be inflationary. It would be a

00:05:02.820 one-time movement. And I think that's a good thing if you're optimistic about future rate cuts.

00:05:06.920 Rid of all the independent offices, whether it's inspectors general, prosecutors who are

00:05:13.400 independent, federal commissioners, for example, on the FCC, central bankers, federal reserve,

00:05:20.120 and you replace them with loyalists. And then society beyond government. And we shouldn't forget

00:05:26.760 about the courts. The lower courts seem to be acting as an independent judiciary. I'm a little worried

00:05:33.500 that the Supreme Court has become a kind of firewall for the administration whenever there is a real,

00:05:39.980 a direct legal threat to its power. And society itself begins to atrophy. Even the press,

00:05:47.000 we're here criticizing the administration. I don't think they're going to be coming in and hauling us

00:05:52.520 off to prison. But journalists start asking themselves, what will be the consequences of this

00:05:57.080 story? Are we going to get sued the way the New York Times is now facing a $16 billion utterly

00:06:03.120 frivolous lawsuit? Am I going to get investigated? Am I going to get named and abused publicly by the

00:06:10.540 president, which brings a lot of hurt onto me, perhaps my family? These questions start to gnaw.

00:06:18.520 And meanwhile, the major media are one by one falling under the control of the president's friends

00:06:24.180 until and which happened in Hungary until eventually, there's really not a whole lot of

00:06:28.780 independent media left some small outlets. So when I look, when you get beyond the days outrage to the

00:06:37.020 kind of cascading effect of all of these erosions of checks, you begin to think, what's the limit to

00:06:45.640 his power? For me, it's largely his attention span. So that describes authoritarianism, not the 20th

00:06:54.700 century version that we all grew up studying and fearful of, a modern version that is more boring,

00:07:01.900 more cynical, but to me just as dangerous because democracy has this blood in its system. And if you

00:07:09.740 cut off the blood flow, it starts to die. This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:07:20.180 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:07:25.380 I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

00:07:31.560 I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:07:34.760 but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:07:36.740 And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul,

00:07:43.500 I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:07:50.900 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:57.100 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:08:00.520 It's Thursday, 25 September in the year of our Lord, 2025. Our show today is absolutely packed.

00:08:11.340 We have Wade Miller on the government shutdown over from CRA. Sean Davis from The Federalist joins us

00:08:16.340 on just amazing articles talking about the political violence on the left. Rosemary Jenks

00:08:20.800 on the H-1B scam still continuing. We've got David Lynch who's written a magnificent book called

00:08:28.780 The World's Worst Bet About Globalization, Its Rise and Fall. David will join us in the second hour

00:08:34.120 as well as the Viceroy, Mike Davis, and then we're going to have Claire Dooley and Britt McHenry. 0.76

00:08:43.180 We're going to be live from the symposium where the roundtable is going to take all afternoon.

00:08:47.120 We're going to carry it on all of our platforms here in the War Room and REV, Britt McHenry,

00:08:52.400 a new reporter for them. It's going to be covered in R&V, and this should be back at 5.

00:08:59.600 So much going on, so I want to break it down in pieces, and then we'll tie it all together.

00:09:03.840 Let's go with the economy first. Joe LaVarniae from the Treasury Department joins us.

00:09:09.960 Joe, now we're restating. We found out that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has created a million

00:09:19.500 and a half jobs under Biden's watch that didn't exist. Now we're going back and recreating or

00:09:25.800 updating the GDP, and it's almost 4%. CNBC is like jaw dropped. It's 3.8% on the analysis of the last

00:09:36.600 quarter. The numbers are looking great, but people on the left are not happy. The mainstream media is

00:09:43.740 not happy because I think they're spinning the wrong numbers. Your assessment, sir?

00:09:49.260 Yes, Steve. The economy, the fourth quarter actually was revised down a bit, so you take that in the

00:09:55.060 downward revisions to employment under the prior administration, and the handoff to the president

00:10:00.280 was no way near as solid and robust as many had thought just a few months ago. But in the second

00:10:05.560 quarter, when the president was fully in office for the entire quarter, we grew 3.8%. It was led by

00:10:12.420 consumer spending. Consumer spending was running significantly faster than what was first reported,

00:10:16.620 up 2.5%. That's important, Steve, because I think there was excitement and optimism about the one big,

00:10:23.060 beautiful bill being passed, which is benefiting blue-collar workers and no tax on tips, overtime,

00:10:28.420 all those things now which are law and are being codified by IRS make people excited.

00:10:33.780 We just recently, Steve, got very strong retail sales data. Overlooked this morning are durable

00:10:39.120 goods orders, which are booming. That tells us third quarter is going to be running over 3%.

00:10:43.560 This golden era that the president has talked about is very much here. So these are

00:10:47.480 excellent numbers and very consistent with the president's messaging now for forever.

00:10:51.980 Okay. So Scott, our old colleague here would come on and talk about the big, beautiful bill. And

00:11:00.000 actually before he became secretary of the treasury for the years on here, and then when he was working

00:11:04.060 with President Trump on the campaign, said, this is our last shot to get a supply side tax cut that

00:11:08.700 really focuses on production, capital to drive the economy forward. The bet there was that we get to

00:11:14.700 three to three and a half percent. What does this tell us right now? Is the new target, I mean,

00:11:19.420 I think Scott said a couple of times, I think he even said it on the show and I think you might

00:11:22.540 say, Hey, you know, maybe get to 4%. What is your current assessment of treasury like third,

00:11:29.100 fourth quarter as you see it? Because the CapEx is just starting to kick in right now, correct?

00:11:34.400 People are just starting to build these facilities, plan the facilities, actually break ground on the

00:11:38.540 facilities, sir. And the first quarter CapEx grew over 21% and that's because the bill was designed

00:11:44.140 to make things retroactive. So companies excited about the Trump presidency already started to spend.

00:11:49.420 We grew over 8% in the second quarter. So the outlook is really strong. Productivity is

00:11:55.500 accelerating. Could we get to 4% growth? I mean, we had a big technological boom back in the late

00:12:01.240 nineties and you could argue what's happening now with all of President Trump's initiative

00:12:04.660 of encouraging foreign capital in with AI, crypto, all these potential newfangled innovations and

00:12:12.000 industries. Growth could be four. If we get to three, Steve, which people don't think is possible,

00:12:17.740 we've been poo-pooing that for a while, which was consistent with the first Trump term,

00:12:21.460 we're going to do wonderful things. And if we could get better than that, even better. But I think the

00:12:25.580 point is the economy's back. The president knows how to grow it and he's going to grow it, Steve,

00:12:30.860 in a way, and the secretary knows this as well, grow in a way that's going to work for average

00:12:35.960 working class Americans, people who've suffered disproportionately over the past four years.

00:12:41.020 It's improving their living standards by lowering the cost of goods and services and raising their

00:12:46.760 real and real wages.

00:12:51.200 Last thing, I know you got to bounce. Monetary policy, this is why we had Hassett on. Are we

00:12:58.180 getting to a plan where monetary policy could actually dovetail with fiscal policy and the

00:13:04.580 president's economic strategy so we can kind of all work together as one big happy family, sir?

00:13:11.020 You would think so, Steve. I mean, I heard Stephen's speech earlier in the week at the

00:13:15.380 New York Economics Club. It was excellent. Kevin Hassett repeated that inflation is not

00:13:19.940 driven by a potential one-off increase in the tariff level. So yes, if monetary policy

00:13:26.300 goes in the direction it's supposed to, and by the Fed's own admission, Steve, they say policy is

00:13:32.240 tight, the economy could do even better. And again, what we saw under President Trump's first term

00:13:37.480 is strong growth for everyday Americans in low and stable prices. There's no reason why it's not

00:13:43.800 going to happen again. And the data this morning reinforced that very key narrative.

00:13:51.180 Sir, what is your social media so folks can follow you?

00:13:54.240 Thank you, Steve. It is at Livornianomics. And of course, they could also link, there's a link

00:14:00.560 there also to follow the Treasury Secretary, of course. Yes, always, always get them to follow Scott.

00:14:07.800 Joe, thank you so much for taking time away. I know you're busy today. Thanks.

00:14:11.300 Thank you, Steve. Thanks again.

00:14:14.740 Monetary policy coming from the Federal Reserve, our central bank. Fiscal policy coming from the

00:14:19.940 administration. Folks, take your number two pencil out. Our called shots going to work here. 1.00

00:14:28.400 Old government shut down at midnight on the 30th, or I guess one minute after midnight could have run

00:14:34.400 out of money. Russ Vogt, OMB, the great Russ Vogt might have been thinking about this for a while.

00:14:42.520 Wade Miller from CRA joins us after a short commercial break.

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00:16:59.820 Okay, welcome back. If you're on Getter, earlier, my next two guests, in fact, my next three guests,

00:17:06.600 Wade Miller at CRA. You've gotten all the reports, Politico and everything else. I put up a little

00:17:10.300 commentary about the shutdown. Sean Davis, the Federalist, on fire. I think the intellectual

00:17:17.020 center of gravity of the populist nationalist movement, incredible, incredible, incredible

00:17:23.180 pieces on this political violence. Of course, Rosemary Jenks on the H-1B scam that we'll all

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00:17:43.480 reporters from the Washington Post, with an amazing book on the rise and fall of globalization

00:17:49.520 that is a must-read if you want to understand the whole history of it and the personalities and

00:17:55.220 everything that went on. So he'll be on. Mike Davis, we're going to try to get it all in.

00:18:01.080 When I talk about monitoring fiscal policy, is Lula coming to the White House? Maybe it's a phone

00:18:06.640 call next week. And somebody, can somebody, the president's staff, please give him Lula's speech

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00:18:46.180 this for the last four years. Gold's now, I don't know, it was over 3,800, backed off a little bit.

00:18:51.920 Check it out. Not the price. It's the process. So Wade Miller, I think the Democrats have now

00:18:59.840 walked into a trap they set for themselves, kind of, because they're arguing that unless President

00:19:05.900 Trump agrees, essentially, and Miller said this last night, I think over at Fox, unless the Republicans

00:19:11.680 agree and the president agrees to continue to fund illegal alien health care, health care for illegal

00:19:17.200 aliens, they're just not going to vote on anything and shut the government down. And I realize people

00:19:21.440 are out of town. But Russ Vogt has just ruined their dreams of chop blocking the Trump revolution by

00:19:32.640 saying, you know, this is very interesting because this really, you know, as OMB director, I think we

00:19:38.060 have essential and non-essential workers. And I think the agencies ought to be prepared for, quote,

00:19:43.940 mass firings, unquote. Brother Wade Miller, we got to get our hands around this fiscal policy.

00:19:51.800 You know, even the clean CR, House Freedom Caucus support it. We kind of said, hey,

00:19:55.980 if you got to do it, you got to do it because Russ Vogt's saying, I got rescissions, I got pocket

00:20:01.920 rescissions, I got impoundments, I'm going to start cutting away at this thing. But now we're talking

00:20:06.980 about mass firings. We're finally getting to what Doge kind of attempted to do. How real is this,

00:20:15.260 sir? Well, I think it's very real. And it's an amazing own goal by Democrats and a strategic

00:20:21.880 failure on their part. Republicans were basically ready to fund government at current levels.

00:20:27.520 And of course, that wasn't good enough for them. So they're heading towards the shutdown. And I don't

00:20:31.600 think that they really understood the mindset of the Trump administration towards woke, weaponized

00:20:39.600 and wasteful government. Because essentially, on September 30th, October 1st, there is no

00:20:45.740 appropriation in place. So, you know, in past shutdowns, presidents have decided to furlough. But

00:20:51.840 there's no requirement to furlough. The Trump administration can instead just start firing

00:20:58.360 large scale. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. This is so key.

00:21:06.240 This is absolutely, this is what I say, this trap was set. In the past, you could kind of, and they

00:21:11.280 did, they kind of played footsie. That's why you just had a couple of park rangers that maybe took a

00:21:16.140 day off or something, right? This is totally, completely different. What Rose Vogt's saying,

00:21:22.340 hey, at midnight on the 30th, it runs out, baby. The new fiscal year starts at one in the morning,

00:21:28.200 on the, on the 1st of October, and we got no money. We have no appropriations. We have nothing. So

00:21:33.720 I've got to go to all non-essential workers. I'm not going to furlough them. I'm going to fire them.

00:21:40.320 Is that essentially Russ Vogt's plan? Well, yes. If there's no appropriation in place,

00:21:47.460 then the president of the United States has a significant amount of authority to eliminate

00:21:52.040 spending to comport with the lack of that appropriation, minus security, things that

00:21:59.840 are life-saving, national defense. But otherwise, the president has a broad amount of authority. And

00:22:06.240 if the president authorizes OMB Director Russ Vogt to put that plan in place, they can take a wrecking

00:22:13.880 ball to a lot of these bureaucracies that are unnecessary and are just elevating the debt,

00:22:20.540 serving no public purpose. So in that respect, just legally and statutorily, I don't understand

00:22:27.980 what the Democrats are thinking. And I'm kind of glad they're this inept. 0.99

00:22:35.860 Russ has always been very aggressive about this. Do you have a sense of the white, it seems from 1.00

00:22:42.560 Politico and these other stories, the White House, I mean, everybody's moving forward because Russ

00:22:46.700 is not a guy to get out over his skis. Do you anticipate now that this, because I think it's

00:22:53.680 technically too late to get everybody back together before the 30th, right? I think it's,

00:22:59.380 firstly, you have to do it a couple of days in advance, but I only think the house is back

00:23:02.820 until next week, right? So are we marching forward in unison?

00:23:08.560 They could call back. That's true. But you didn't think you got the Senate. I mean, there's no,

00:23:15.260 there's, yeah, but the Democrats have laid down that they're not prepared to back President Trump's

00:23:20.880 current plan, that it has to be, you know, healthcare for illegal aliens. So where do you

00:23:27.160 think we stand with the administration on actually doing, this is maximalist strategy. What do you think,

00:23:33.320 what do you think, what do you think the probability here is?

00:23:37.280 Well, Russ is one of the most loyal people I have ever met, and he truly believes that his job is to

00:23:42.320 serve the interests of the president, not his own agenda. So if Russ's vote is out there talking about

00:23:47.520 this, that tells me it's almost a certainty that the White House has approved this. It would be

00:23:53.500 extremely unlikely for Russ to ever do anything that he didn't think the president would support or

00:24:00.200 had authorized. So that tells me that this is a very likely outcome should a shutdown occur. And

00:24:07.640 look, the left can throw a hissy fit and say they're going to sue. But I don't understand from

00:24:12.380 a legal perspective how they would be able to stop in a shutdown, where there's no appropriation in

00:24:18.720 place, the firing of bureaucracies and bureaucrats that are unnecessary in a government shutdown scenario

00:24:28.220 that have nothing to do with national offense, life-saving measures or security apparatuses.

00:24:35.100 We've talked about on the show for the last couple of weeks, Russ has been signaling essential versus

00:24:39.660 non-essential, essential versus non-essential. Do you have any sense right now of the scale that

00:24:45.600 we're talking about?

00:24:47.880 I don't, but there's a lot of bureaucracies out there that I know that the president and other

00:24:54.420 cabinet secretaries, and remember, this is not just for us to vote. This would be all cabinet

00:24:58.980 secretaries tasked with identifying, weaponizing, wasteful bureaucracies within their areas of

00:25:04.600 responsibility. So it would be all hands on deck effort to identify. So my guess is it would be

00:25:09.740 significant.

00:25:13.300 Uh, Wade, where do you, uh, where do you go? By the way, I sat in my office in the West wing next to the

00:25:19.300 president or right next to the one down from the president with Russ vote, then deputy in May of

00:25:24.100 2017, and he whiteboarded out the waterfall, how cash came in on the debt ceiling. And also we were

00:25:30.060 heading towards a government, potential government shutdown in September. And Russ had thought it

00:25:35.020 through back then he's refined it. I mean, this guy, he is the perfect OMB pick, the perfect right hand

00:25:41.800 for the president. Uh, Wade, where do folks go to, um, find out more about CRA and also follow you on

00:25:48.880 social media? Cause you guys are on top of the story. Like nobody else. Sure. America renewing.com

00:25:54.640 is our website. Uh, and my social media handles on X is, uh, Wade Miller underscore USMC.

00:26:03.820 Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Thanks for having me on. Okay. Prepare for Russ vote.

00:26:09.080 Russ vote's going to get eviscerated. He'll go front and center. It's his turn in the barrel

00:26:14.040 starting probably this afternoon with, uh, MSNBC and CNN, New York times, Washington post. This guy's

00:26:21.260 cruel. He's a Christian nationalist. He's this, he's that. Hey, they had every opportunity to work 1.00

00:26:28.340 with president Trump. And now they're saying, well, the, the, the, the logic last night on Stephanie

00:26:33.860 rule, they had this guy where the logic's worked against it because the president can't say, yo,

00:26:37.640 the Democrats came up with demands that the president said, there's no need to sit down. If

00:26:43.780 this is what you're demanding, you can't negotiate that. And you've said you're demanding it. So

00:26:49.400 no need to meet. Remember the fiscal part of this, we still have to get our arms around. It's still,

00:26:57.900 I believe too much of a Keynesian stimulus. Cause the deficit, I think on the 30th, as I've said,

00:27:04.780 I thought was 2 trillion. It's going to be 1.9. I think we could get to two if it's all

00:27:10.240 appropriately accounted for. You got to deal with that. That has to be dealt with. Russ has got a

00:27:16.080 plan for rescissions, pocket rescissions, impoundment, because the folks on Capitol Hill are not,

00:27:22.020 they're not equipped to deal with the problems. This is remember the whole single subject spending bills

00:27:27.320 and appropriations bills. We're here, we're here where we are. The best alternative. I know this

00:27:35.820 audience is wildly enthused about that as a CR that goes to 21st of November, 21 November.

00:27:42.380 That looks like that's not going to happen. Nobody's around. They're trying to call the

00:27:46.020 president's bluff and he's going to bring out the heavy siege guns. He's got Russ vote and Russ vote.

00:27:51.440 The brothers got a plan. And, uh, this is really going to take a meat ax to the administrative state

00:27:59.020 as Russ vote has thought this thing through for years and years and years. The folks over heritage

00:28:04.360 helped him with project 2025. Many people worked on this. So I kept telling you essential versus

00:28:10.700 non-essential and the, the lovers of big government over the democratic party are going to be shocked

00:28:17.980 of what's determined to be non-essential short break. The great Sean Davis and the Federalists next.

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00:30:50.320 extraordinary. Okay. Sean Davis. The Federalist. I want to first thank you. First of all, we have two

00:30:59.720 articles specifically, but the whole thing I want you to take. The two articles. One, you've got an

00:31:05.500 amazing article. Three more left-wing attacks follow Charlie Kirk's murder, which is really about

00:31:09.740 how the media is goading this on and is an active partner in this. It's extraordinary. Then you go

00:31:14.720 back with an amazing piece about the legacy of John Brown and how the left is using this. Andrew

00:31:21.520 Andrew Colvitt had a, on his Twitter feed, a handout of, at Georgetown University, of which I'm a

00:31:31.240 graduate of, that had, hey, catch this fascist, right, about the bullet. That's one of the things

00:31:37.240 on the bullet that assassinated Charlie Kirk. And it's put out by the John Brown, I guess, John Brown

00:31:42.140 Society or some new society. First of all, I want to thank you. You've been the intellectual

00:31:47.060 center, your site, The Federalist, with so many amazing articles every day from just top-line

00:31:55.320 thinkers and writers that if we didn't have you right now in this movement, I don't know where

00:32:00.260 we'd be. I point people to The Federalist all the time because you provide the intellectual

00:32:04.580 kind of framework of the fight that we're in. And it's a fight. So, Sean Davis, can you talk to

00:32:11.100 those two pieces then overall this moment in American history and where we are?

00:32:18.300 Yeah, so we had two great pieces. The first was from John Davidson looking at the terrorist legacy

00:32:23.480 of John Brown. And make no mistake, John Brown was a terrorist. He went and butchered innocent people

00:32:28.280 in the cause of abolition, you know, which is a good cause. But the definition of terrorism

00:32:34.060 is using violence against noncombatants in order to bring about political change. It's not guerrilla

00:32:40.960 warfare. It's not conventional warfare. It's killing innocent people to terrify a populace into doing

00:32:46.560 what you want them to do. That's what John Brown did. And now John Brown has become something of a

00:32:53.460 an icon for these these ugly gay communists who style themselves as anti-fascists. They've decided that 0.99

00:33:01.580 they're, you know, they're not the communists going out and murdering people in the street

00:33:05.680 for Marxist ideals. No, they have in their heads this idea that they're just trying to go and

00:33:11.780 free the slaves. And therefore, just like John Brown thought, they can do anything they want.

00:33:15.680 They can kill anyone they want. They can perpetrate any violence they want to whatever ends they want.

00:33:21.160 And then the second article we had was a spectacular one from Breck and Tease about all of the additional

00:33:27.020 left-wing terrorist attacks we've had since Charlie Kirk was murdered.

00:33:30.080 I believe our headline was that there were three terrorist attacks. I think we can add a fourth

00:33:34.700 because I think there were a bunch of terrorists who went and shot a Little League coach while he

00:33:38.460 was praying last night or the day before. And, you know, I like hearing what I'm hearing from the

00:33:45.160 administration about, you know, they're calling the terrorists what they are. They're calling the

00:33:50.340 violence what it is. I kind of think the time for talk is over. It's been two weeks, two weeks and a

00:33:56.840 day since Charlie was killed. The time for talk is over. The time to roll up these terrorist Antifa

00:34:03.080 networks that are out there openly calling for and executing violence on us. The time for that

00:34:08.280 nonsense is over. So, like, they need to get cracking and quit talking because lives are at stake.

00:34:13.460 Our lives are at stake. And we can't stand for this nonsense anymore.

00:34:17.120 The president had to put out a tweet or a true social last week directed to Pam to say, hey, look,

00:34:25.400 I don't know what's happening here, but you got Brennan and these guys on TV still doing smack talk and

00:34:30.900 they all should be in prison. What's happening? And a part of that was driven, I think, by Comey

00:34:35.520 not being indicted in the in the statute of limitations running out next week. We know that

00:34:41.120 the FBI has now designated these training, these transgender militias, these radical and trust me, 1.00

00:34:47.420 they are radical, violent militias, NVEs, nihilistic, violent extremists. In the categorization, 0.94

00:34:55.400 it gives them a broader range of things to go after. Also, we designated Antifa on on Monday,

00:35:01.620 President Trump coming back from Charlie Kirk's commemoration or funeral service, however you want

00:35:06.800 to call it, saying, hey, where is this thing to designate Antifa terrorist organization, which

00:35:11.560 which gives you a broad toolbox, not just to go after the first level of the of the of the front

00:35:18.020 men and the guys in the black block and all that crowd, but the second tier of people that train

00:35:22.060 them. Many of those come from the United States military. Just got to understand that. And from

00:35:26.700 our national security apparatus and from the intelligence apparatus. And then the most important

00:35:31.540 is all the foundations that give money. All the media works with the partners and all the

00:35:36.260 billionaires, the sources and all those guys throughout the world that finance this crap. 0.95

00:35:41.020 What do you anticipate? You say it's time to talk over. Do you know, we had Glenn Youngkin last 0.96

00:35:47.660 night filling in for Charlie and Megyn Kelly. Is is that aspect of what Charlie was trying to do

00:35:53.820 over? Are you saying, hey, on a on a macro level, we got to throw the we got to throw the gauntlet

00:35:59.440 down and stop putting up with this crap? Yeah, and I actually think Trump needs to go a step 0.99

00:36:04.520 further. I think it's great that he's designated Antifa and all the little tentacles from that is

00:36:10.340 domestic terrorist organizations. I actually think there's more than enough evidence and

00:36:14.640 information to actually designate them as foreign terrorist organizations, because that opens up an

00:36:20.320 even bigger and more powerful toolbox. We know they get a lot of their money from overseas. We know

00:36:25.100 they get a lot of organization and help from Germany, from within Europe. So I think Trump needs to go

00:36:31.500 even further and treat them as the not just domestic, but foreign funded and organized

00:36:36.420 terrorist organizations that they are. We're looking at an ISIS equivalent. We're looking at 0.95

00:36:41.480 people who are highly organized. They operate in cells. They all have the same goals. They're trained,

00:36:47.860 whether it's by former U.S. military or foreign military, to go out and perpetrate violence. 0.90

00:36:53.320 They need to go and they need to be crushed. And I think that means going and doing raids on these

00:36:57.940 people who are trying to seize and run sieges against federal courthouses, against federal

00:37:03.420 buildings. These are terrorist organizations. We need to treat them like we treated Al-Qaeda 0.99

00:37:08.520 and ISIS and every other group out there. It's not enough just to have executive orders. We actually

00:37:15.360 need to have people going after them, hauling them in, taking them off the streets. And most importantly,

00:37:20.660 they need to have their, their financing networks absolutely destroyed.

00:37:27.000 You're going to see people that were either former government officials are in the government today.

00:37:31.180 You're going to see financiers, all of it, media, politicians, all of it. This way you got to go

00:37:36.160 start kicking down some doors. I could not agree with you more. Sean Davis, last thing,

00:37:41.360 the pressure on federalists to crush the federalists and to get you, get you guys shut down. How

00:37:46.400 intense is it, sir? Oh, it's, it's extremely intense. There has been a, uh, extremely well

00:37:52.620 coordinated and financed operation coming after us really since we, we began, uh, uncovering the

00:37:58.740 Russia hoax. Um, but it was kicked into overdrive and in February of 2021, Facebook worked to crush us.

00:38:05.400 Google worked to crush us. YouTube made sure nobody ever saw our videos. None of them have, have

00:38:10.400 apologized. None of them have offered restitution. It's the kind of thing that cost us millions and

00:38:15.320 millions and millions of dollars. As you know, running a media organization, uh, to, to tell

00:38:21.240 the truth and to go against the left is not a cheap, uh, thing. It costs money. We have to hire

00:38:26.060 people. We have to hire editors and the entire left-wing movement, uh, the entire Democrat power

00:38:31.640 apparatus, uh, has been focused on, on crushing us. We're not going anywhere, but, but my goodness is,

00:38:37.760 uh, is it a fight trying to just stay alive when you have all of the forces of evil in this world

00:38:42.780 trying to crush you. Sean Davis, where should people go right now to follow you on social media

00:38:49.660 and where they go get the Federalist folks, you got to make this part of your media diet

00:38:53.300 every morning. It's the intellectual kind of framing mechanism we have where they go, Sean.

00:39:00.080 Thank you, sir. They should go to the federalist.com. We're actually running a matching campaign right

00:39:04.660 now. So every dollar people put in up to a hundred thousand dollars, uh, we've had a donor who will

00:39:09.460 match it dollar for dollar. Uh, it's really important for us to get that kind of support.

00:39:13.460 And then number two, they can find me on X at Sean M D A V S E A N M D A V.

00:39:23.440 Sean Davis. Thank you so much. Keep the fight, man.

00:39:26.800 Thank you, sir.

00:39:29.800 Incredible. This is very dangerous. He's a hundred percent correct. This is terrorism.

00:39:33.440 I'll get more information. They shot that, the little league coach shouting, praying.

00:39:41.440 I think there's going to be some announced, supposed to be a news conference this afternoon

00:39:44.780 about the, about what happened down in Dallas. Once again, like in a, you know, a progressive

00:39:50.320 mother, you know, uh, babying these grown men and what they do to go out there and shooting 0.85

00:39:58.280 people with high powered rifles is snipers. And then because they're, they have such great

00:40:03.840 backgrounds in, uh, you know, in, um, in religion and the Judeo Christian West, they commit suicide.

00:40:10.200 They shoot themselves. It's a fine mess they made, but that doesn't have to destroy the United

00:40:16.640 States of America. You're having a color revolution run on you. And there are people standing up saying,

00:40:22.960 we've had enough and we're not going to tolerate it. And I don't care how much the mainstream media,

00:40:27.540 there's nothing to talk about. This is not a debate anymore. All they're doing in the media is

00:40:33.360 pushing this saying, Oh, Trump's an authoritarian. Trump said, fine, say what you want. It's time to

00:40:38.600 shut it down. You've got the tools. I agree with the foreign, the major terrorism to get more, 1.00

00:40:44.460 get more tools, but shut it down. Let's start kicking down some doors. FBI was pretty, they kicked

00:40:50.940 down doors on the abortion people. We got a bunch of grandmothers in prison. I know because in my prison 1.00

00:40:56.680 and I went into camp and the prison I was in the unbelievably, the holiest people I've ever met

00:41:02.160 folks in their sixties and seventies, because they prayed the rosary outside of an abortion 0.54

00:41:07.440 clinic and they're in a federal prison doors kicked down by the FBI. Merrick Garland sent him to prison.

00:41:12.000 Why is Merrick Garland not in prison? Why is Lisa Monaco? Well, she's at Microsoft,

00:41:17.160 the general care. Why is she not in prison? It's time to take the gloves off and stop screwing around 0.54

00:41:22.740 with this. Let's get on with it. And you can see, don't take it from me. Do not take it from me.

00:41:28.020 The frustration of president Trump, when he's got to send a public message to his attorney general,

00:41:32.380 like get off, you know, I need some action here. And first off Halligan, he installed an Eastern 0.99

00:41:39.280 district and Hey, I guess she's bringing the indictment on, on Comey. Although last night during

00:41:45.820 Lawrence O'Donnell, they said there's an eternal memo now coming from three career prosecutors. No,

00:41:51.100 you can't do it. It's not going to hold up in court, et cetera, et cetera. Rosemary Jenks.

00:41:56.120 We've got about a minute, a minute and a half here. I'm going to hold you through the break.

00:41:59.560 H1Bs and particularly Senator Grassley, where do we stand with this mess that Howard Ludnick 1.00

00:42:04.860 didn't explain kind of misled the president, misled the country, misled wall street,

00:42:09.600 midless misled folks in India. Uh, give me a minute on this before we go to break and I'll bring you back.

00:42:15.940 Yeah. Senator Grassley is exactly right. The only way, and he didn't actually connect these in his

00:42:22.480 tweet, but the only way that, uh, secretary Ludnick's plan works is if you end OPT because

00:42:29.360 the fee for the a hundred thousand dollar fee does not apply to people who are in the country and adjust

00:42:37.060 from one status to another. And the most common is from OPT to H1B. So all the Microsofts and Amazons

00:42:45.200 and, and all of those are going to use that in country adjustment to avoid the fee. Okay.

00:42:51.840 The only people will be paying it will be the body shops unless you get rid of OPT. 0.91

00:42:57.100 Yes. Ludnick, you're a sleazy bond salesman and that might've worked when you're at your sleazy

00:43:05.700 bucket shop selling, uh, uh, these, uh, crappy bonds to the unsuspecting, but it don't work here. 0.76

00:43:14.700 You've lied and tried to sell a bill of goods to the president, the United States and the American

00:43:20.660 people. And it is unacceptable. And you are unacceptable. It's a clown show. So we're

00:43:29.620 going to break it all down for you. And thank God for Senator Grassley. Short break.

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00:44:51.600 By the way, you know, I had, we had Pat Velosky on last night and, um, um, Chris, because of this

00:45:02.100 YouTube and Google thing. And remember here in the world, we want to break up Google.

00:45:05.640 We don't want to work with it. We want to break it up. We built one of the most largest and most

00:45:10.120 powerful shows in all media and we're banned everywhere on all the big platforms. I had

00:45:17.960 that happen. It was real America's voice and, uh, our ability and grace and our ability just

00:45:22.720 to get the content and you as force multipliers. Well, YouTube, oh, we're going to let Bongino

00:45:27.860 ban it back on. I said, Hey, F you zero interest. I think the report is Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes

00:45:34.960 has actually put up YouTube channels last night. Guess what? Taken down right away.

00:45:39.600 That's what Pavlosky is telling me or showing me. Unbelievable. Uh, Rosemary Jenks. This was

00:45:45.220 a bait and switch. It's a bait and switch. The reason is Reed Hastings and all these guys

00:45:50.320 at Netflix, all the big shots are coming out saying this is wonderful. It's a solution.

00:45:53.880 So if those demons like it, you know, it's bad. H one B visas are a total and complete scam. 1.00

00:46:00.920 And it's an insult to the kids and young men and women that went through all the training,

00:46:06.960 everything to say that their foreign workers better than not better. No one's ever showed 0.90

00:46:11.140 me one billet that didn't, we didn't have the education and the job experience to do. It

00:46:16.080 is a scam to destroy American workers by big corporations and the oligarchs whose greed is

00:46:22.940 unlimited, unbound. What they want is to pay people slave wages and have them live as indentured

00:46:29.420 servants. It's not acceptable. And we are going to get this program shut down. Now talk about the 0.99

00:46:35.400 loop. First off, he lied about everything in the oval office. If any other guy had ever done it,

00:46:40.460 be fired immediately. This is not a tiny program and it's not a small issue. It's a central issue

00:46:45.900 for American citizens. And he sits in the oval and just lies. Oh, it's an annual thing. All this

00:46:52.500 money we're going to generate to shut the deficit, just bald face lies. This is not a miss. This is a

00:46:57.840 bald face lie. Then the most important part is OPT. Tell people what that terminology means.

00:47:03.960 What's the concept and why is it they're sneaky? It's Lutnik's sneaky workaround here with his

00:47:09.500 corporate buddies in Silicon Valley, ma'am. So OPT stands for optional practical training,

00:47:16.860 and it is a scheme that was cooked up under W. Bush to allow foreign students, once they've graduated,

00:47:24.180 to remain in the United States and take a job. They don't have to pay FICA taxes. The employer

00:47:31.320 doesn't have to pay FICA taxes for them. So that's basically a 7.5% discount for employers to hire them

00:47:38.620 over American students. And then Obama actually expanded the program for STEM OPT to three years

00:47:49.460 instead of one year. So these foreign students get three years at a discount for the employer 0.98

00:47:54.880 to essentially find an employer to sponsor them for an H-1B. And since they're already in the country,

00:48:01.180 they're not going to have to pay this fee. Now, I'm going to step out of bounds here, Steve,

00:48:06.660 and say that I don't actually believe that Secretary Lutnik was lying. I think that he doesn't

00:48:13.680 understand immigration law. And I think he probably believes everything he said, or at least did,

00:48:20.140 but... Okay, hold it. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Okay, fine. I say he should be fired for lying.

00:48:26.400 You say he should be fired for being a moron because the Commerce Secretary doesn't understand. This is 1.00

00:48:31.360 not esoteric. This is central. And that's why knowing Lutnik and knowing what a sleazy bond salesman he was,

00:48:39.220 right? This is the kind of bait and switch he does. But look, I'll go with you. Let's say he

00:48:43.620 wasn't lying. But if this is the case, he's too dumb to be the Commerce Secretary. So pick it. He's 1.00

00:48:49.260 either a liar and should be fired, or he's too dumb and should be fired. Either way, he tried to screw 1.00

00:48:54.680 and he's screwing American workers. Is he not, ma'am? You know, I don't think that is his intention.

00:49:02.840 I think the H-1B program needs to be eliminated, full stop. I think he is trying to make it 1.00

00:49:10.720 microscopically better, but it's not going to work. And it's not going to work because of the

00:49:18.220 complexities of immigration law. And, you know, I don't think he included the Department of Homeland

00:49:23.940 Security in coming up with this order, or the gold card order for that matter. And the fact is,

00:49:31.820 they're just not going to work because of how complicated the law is and how many workarounds

00:49:37.740 there are for these big employers who don't want to pay a fee, don't want to hire Americans, 0.92

00:49:43.500 and can get away with it still under this order.

00:49:49.580 You see what a nice person and a good person, Rosemary Jenks is? You're a good person. You're

00:49:54.320 a nice person. But you damned him so... By the way, the gold card's not right. He didn't talk to... 0.91

00:50:00.200 You didn't include DHS. It's got to be central. Listen, here's the bottom line. The bottom line

00:50:08.300 is that people like yourself, they go about it very methodically and don't get all worked up and

00:50:14.280 say, hey, no, this is where you're wrong, bing, bing, bing. And Senator Grassley, who's an old war

00:50:18.520 horse and from Iowa and has got that kind of common sense out there in the great heartland of this

00:50:23.240 nation, right? You guys think the students say, hey, neither one of these work. They're not even

00:50:28.440 close to coordinating with existing law. But more importantly, they're just kind of all workarounds.

00:50:34.220 When Reed Hastings comes out, Reed Hastings, who hates the president of the United States

00:50:39.000 more than anything, when he comes out and says, yeah, I think this is great. It's really going to work.

00:50:43.420 You know that the big shots in Silicon Valley, it works for them.

00:50:47.480 So what's your recommendation now, how we get this shut down, particularly backing Senator Grassley

00:50:52.880 and what he's doing, ma'am? Well, so we need to stop OPT. And because it was created by Executive

00:50:59.460 Fiat, the administration can stop it dead in its tracks today. Just a stroke of the pen can stop

00:51:05.460 OPT. But more importantly, we've got to eliminate H-1B. And by the way, I don't know if you have seen 1.00

00:51:12.500 this, but Senator Banks has introduced a bill that doesn't end H-1B, but it does eliminate OPT.

00:51:19.860 It raises the base salary for H-1B to $150,000, which is almost double its current salary.

00:51:29.500 It makes a lot of changes that would make a big difference and would definitely cut out the body

00:51:34.340 shops and the people who abuse it most. So that's a step, but we need to eliminate it.

00:51:40.100 Ma'am, you're fantastic. I'm going to send everybody to your site so they can get

00:51:46.180 up to speed on this. Where do they go, Rosemary? Social media and your site.

00:51:51.040 IAProject.org is our website, our Twitter account. Just look for Immigration Accountability

00:51:56.240 Project. You'll find us on X, on YouTube, on everything. We haven't been banned yet,

00:52:02.000 but we're working on it.

00:52:02.920 You're a happy warrior and a good person and a decent person. So thank you so much for coming

00:52:09.980 on. Dave Bratt, by the way, is on our board. Folks, think about where we were at the fight

00:52:15.840 with Elon back in the... Hey, trust the process. We're getting there. Eliminate this scam, all

00:52:22.880 of it. Stop taking jobs away from American kids, men and women who have worked their entire

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Bannon's War Room - September 25, 2025

Episode 4804： Looming Government Shutdown Can Lead To More Layoffs And Resurrection Of The Left's Bloody Legacy

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