Episode 4804： Looming Government Shutdown Can Lead To More Layoffs And Resurrection Of The Left's Bloody Legacy
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James Comey has been charged with a crime, but what exactly is he charged with? And what does that mean for the economy and the rest of the world? We talk about this, and much more, in this week's episode of the Bloomberg Economics podcast.
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Former FBI director and outspoken Trump critic James Comey is expected to be indicted by the
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Department of Justice in the coming days. At this point, it's not even clear what Comey would be
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charged with. Sources tell MSNBC that one component may be an allegation of lying to Congress almost
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exactly five years ago during testimony about whether he authorized a leak. And that five-year
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anniversary is actually quite important here. Comey's congressional testimony at issue was
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September 30th, 2020, as you see, given there remotely, which means that the five-year statute
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of limitations expires next Tuesday, September 30th, 2020. If this Department of Justice, the Trump
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Department of Justice, wants to charge Comey with this dubious crime, well, it needs to do so before
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then. Both Comey's lawyer and spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's Office declined comment to MSNBC,
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but this looks on its face like a wildly blatant abuse of the justice system, certainly far
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exceeding anything that we have ever seen since Watergate, at least. It's the culmination of an
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explicit in the open effort to use the Department of Justice to persecute and prosecute Trump's
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political opponents and perceive them. A zombie democracy. And there's so many parallels. When you
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talk about this, it's like Hungary. And again, Donald Trump told us, I love Orban. He's a strong man.
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We need a leader like Orban. Well, looks like we might get one. Yeah, if you're waiting for,
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you know, goose-stepping stormtroopers to go marching down Constitution Avenue, I don't think
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that that's likely to happen. If you're looking for, you know, millions of people to be chanting
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his name, it doesn't happen. As I wrote, people leave his rallies early when they get bored. No one
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left the Nuremberg rallies early. So it's not the parallel to look for. The parallel is today. It's
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it's in Hungary. It's in Venezuela. It's in Turkey. It's in India. It's democracies that erode that
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don't collapse overnight, that erode. And what happens is, one by one, the checks on the leader's
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power disappear or fold. Congress becomes a rubber stamp. That's happening. The civil service
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has turned into a legion of toadies. Now, on the GDP side, this is our third time around the block
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on Q2. And we see a really solid revision, 3.8%. I'm a bit shocked, to be honest. Usually,
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the revisions, as you get to second and third, become smaller and smaller. So 3.8% would be the
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best quarter going back to, and we have to go back a ways here, to 4.4. And that was the third
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quarter of 23. Now, it is important to point out that if you look at the first quarter final,
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down half a percent, there's a balance there. But the balance is moving in favor. Momentum is
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moving in favor for better growth. I think, you know, one thing that stands out to me as someone
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who is not as close to these types of issues as the two of you is with Trump so often, right,
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like the chaos is the point. So he can publicly name and publicly shame and point fingers and get on
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X and post whatever he wants. It's incredibly difficult for the average American
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to keep up with, okay, this guy's in, this guy's out, this guy's indicted, Comey, what did he do
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again, right? It all sort of collides together into this giant ball of chaos where what's happening
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is ultimately despicable. But the average American, I think, has a very difficult time even discerning
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what Trump is up to here. Kevin, how would you assess the macro story today?
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Right. Well, the macro story right now is, first of all, that inflation has dropped sharply
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since President Trump took office. Growth has been very high. We've got industrial production
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at an all-time high. Capital spending up 8% so far this year. Mortgage rates are down in part
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because of the tariff revenues down by about 70 basis points. So the typical new home buyer right
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now is saving $250 a month because of the lower interest rates because of these policies. And the
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thing when we go back and talk about the disappointing Fed policies that the president's talked about,
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you know, one of the things that I've found odd, and Governor Myron has been talking about it,
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is that economic theorists know that if tariffs have any effect on prices, that it'll be a one-time
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adjustment, not an increase in inflation. And to have Austin Goolsbee and a lot of the other people
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that are on the FOMC talking about how inflation is why they're being so restrictive is, you know,
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contrary to fundamental economic policy, economic theory. And I think that Governor Myron is just
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pointing that out. And I actually see watching the Fed people discuss inflation and tariffs over
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the last few days, that they're moving towards the consensus, which is the economic consensus, that
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if there were to be a price increase from tariffs, that it would not be inflationary. It would be a
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one-time movement. And I think that's a good thing if you're optimistic about future rate cuts.
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Rid of all the independent offices, whether it's inspectors general, prosecutors who are
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independent, federal commissioners, for example, on the FCC, central bankers, federal reserve,
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and you replace them with loyalists. And then society beyond government. And we shouldn't forget
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about the courts. The lower courts seem to be acting as an independent judiciary. I'm a little worried
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that the Supreme Court has become a kind of firewall for the administration whenever there is a real,
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a direct legal threat to its power. And society itself begins to atrophy. Even the press,
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we're here criticizing the administration. I don't think they're going to be coming in and hauling us
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off to prison. But journalists start asking themselves, what will be the consequences of this
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story? Are we going to get sued the way the New York Times is now facing a $16 billion utterly
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frivolous lawsuit? Am I going to get investigated? Am I going to get named and abused publicly by the
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president, which brings a lot of hurt onto me, perhaps my family? These questions start to gnaw.
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And meanwhile, the major media are one by one falling under the control of the president's friends
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until and which happened in Hungary until eventually, there's really not a whole lot of
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independent media left some small outlets. So when I look, when you get beyond the days outrage to the
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kind of cascading effect of all of these erosions of checks, you begin to think, what's the limit to
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his power? For me, it's largely his attention span. So that describes authoritarianism, not the 20th
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century version that we all grew up studying and fearful of, a modern version that is more boring,
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more cynical, but to me just as dangerous because democracy has this blood in its system. And if you
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cut off the blood flow, it starts to die. This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Thursday, 25 September in the year of our Lord, 2025. Our show today is absolutely packed.
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We have Wade Miller on the government shutdown over from CRA. Sean Davis from The Federalist joins us
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on just amazing articles talking about the political violence on the left. Rosemary Jenks
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on the H-1B scam still continuing. We've got David Lynch who's written a magnificent book called
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The World's Worst Bet About Globalization, Its Rise and Fall. David will join us in the second hour
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as well as the Viceroy, Mike Davis, and then we're going to have Claire Dooley and Britt McHenry.
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We're going to be live from the symposium where the roundtable is going to take all afternoon.
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We're going to carry it on all of our platforms here in the War Room and REV, Britt McHenry,
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a new reporter for them. It's going to be covered in R&V, and this should be back at 5.
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So much going on, so I want to break it down in pieces, and then we'll tie it all together.
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Let's go with the economy first. Joe LaVarniae from the Treasury Department joins us.
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Joe, now we're restating. We found out that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has created a million
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and a half jobs under Biden's watch that didn't exist. Now we're going back and recreating or
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updating the GDP, and it's almost 4%. CNBC is like jaw dropped. It's 3.8% on the analysis of the last
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quarter. The numbers are looking great, but people on the left are not happy. The mainstream media is
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not happy because I think they're spinning the wrong numbers. Your assessment, sir?
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Yes, Steve. The economy, the fourth quarter actually was revised down a bit, so you take that in the
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downward revisions to employment under the prior administration, and the handoff to the president
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was no way near as solid and robust as many had thought just a few months ago. But in the second
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quarter, when the president was fully in office for the entire quarter, we grew 3.8%. It was led by
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consumer spending. Consumer spending was running significantly faster than what was first reported,
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up 2.5%. That's important, Steve, because I think there was excitement and optimism about the one big,
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beautiful bill being passed, which is benefiting blue-collar workers and no tax on tips, overtime,
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all those things now which are law and are being codified by IRS make people excited.
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We just recently, Steve, got very strong retail sales data. Overlooked this morning are durable
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goods orders, which are booming. That tells us third quarter is going to be running over 3%.
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This golden era that the president has talked about is very much here. So these are
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excellent numbers and very consistent with the president's messaging now for forever.
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Okay. So Scott, our old colleague here would come on and talk about the big, beautiful bill. And
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actually before he became secretary of the treasury for the years on here, and then when he was working
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with President Trump on the campaign, said, this is our last shot to get a supply side tax cut that
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really focuses on production, capital to drive the economy forward. The bet there was that we get to
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three to three and a half percent. What does this tell us right now? Is the new target, I mean,
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I think Scott said a couple of times, I think he even said it on the show and I think you might
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say, Hey, you know, maybe get to 4%. What is your current assessment of treasury like third,
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fourth quarter as you see it? Because the CapEx is just starting to kick in right now, correct?
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People are just starting to build these facilities, plan the facilities, actually break ground on the
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facilities, sir. And the first quarter CapEx grew over 21% and that's because the bill was designed
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to make things retroactive. So companies excited about the Trump presidency already started to spend.
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We grew over 8% in the second quarter. So the outlook is really strong. Productivity is
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accelerating. Could we get to 4% growth? I mean, we had a big technological boom back in the late
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nineties and you could argue what's happening now with all of President Trump's initiative
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of encouraging foreign capital in with AI, crypto, all these potential newfangled innovations and
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industries. Growth could be four. If we get to three, Steve, which people don't think is possible,
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we've been poo-pooing that for a while, which was consistent with the first Trump term,
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we're going to do wonderful things. And if we could get better than that, even better. But I think the
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point is the economy's back. The president knows how to grow it and he's going to grow it, Steve,
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in a way, and the secretary knows this as well, grow in a way that's going to work for average
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working class Americans, people who've suffered disproportionately over the past four years.
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It's improving their living standards by lowering the cost of goods and services and raising their
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Last thing, I know you got to bounce. Monetary policy, this is why we had Hassett on. Are we
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getting to a plan where monetary policy could actually dovetail with fiscal policy and the
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president's economic strategy so we can kind of all work together as one big happy family, sir?
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You would think so, Steve. I mean, I heard Stephen's speech earlier in the week at the
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New York Economics Club. It was excellent. Kevin Hassett repeated that inflation is not
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driven by a potential one-off increase in the tariff level. So yes, if monetary policy
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goes in the direction it's supposed to, and by the Fed's own admission, Steve, they say policy is
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tight, the economy could do even better. And again, what we saw under President Trump's first term
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is strong growth for everyday Americans in low and stable prices. There's no reason why it's not
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going to happen again. And the data this morning reinforced that very key narrative.
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Sir, what is your social media so folks can follow you?
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Thank you, Steve. It is at Livornianomics. And of course, they could also link, there's a link
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there also to follow the Treasury Secretary, of course. Yes, always, always get them to follow Scott.
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Joe, thank you so much for taking time away. I know you're busy today. Thanks.
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Monetary policy coming from the Federal Reserve, our central bank. Fiscal policy coming from the
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administration. Folks, take your number two pencil out. Our called shots going to work here.
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Old government shut down at midnight on the 30th, or I guess one minute after midnight could have run
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out of money. Russ Vogt, OMB, the great Russ Vogt might have been thinking about this for a while.
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Okay, welcome back. If you're on Getter, earlier, my next two guests, in fact, my next three guests,
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Wade Miller at CRA. You've gotten all the reports, Politico and everything else. I put up a little
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commentary about the shutdown. Sean Davis, the Federalist, on fire. I think the intellectual
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pieces on this political violence. Of course, Rosemary Jenks on the H-1B scam that we'll all
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everything that went on. So he'll be on. Mike Davis, we're going to try to get it all in.
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When I talk about monitoring fiscal policy, is Lula coming to the White House? Maybe it's a phone
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Check it out. Not the price. It's the process. So Wade Miller, I think the Democrats have now
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walked into a trap they set for themselves, kind of, because they're arguing that unless President
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Trump agrees, essentially, and Miller said this last night, I think over at Fox, unless the Republicans
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agree and the president agrees to continue to fund illegal alien health care, health care for illegal
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aliens, they're just not going to vote on anything and shut the government down. And I realize people
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are out of town. But Russ Vogt has just ruined their dreams of chop blocking the Trump revolution by
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saying, you know, this is very interesting because this really, you know, as OMB director, I think we
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have essential and non-essential workers. And I think the agencies ought to be prepared for, quote,
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mass firings, unquote. Brother Wade Miller, we got to get our hands around this fiscal policy.
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You know, even the clean CR, House Freedom Caucus support it. We kind of said, hey,
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if you got to do it, you got to do it because Russ Vogt's saying, I got rescissions, I got pocket
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rescissions, I got impoundments, I'm going to start cutting away at this thing. But now we're talking
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about mass firings. We're finally getting to what Doge kind of attempted to do. How real is this,
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sir? Well, I think it's very real. And it's an amazing own goal by Democrats and a strategic
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failure on their part. Republicans were basically ready to fund government at current levels.
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And of course, that wasn't good enough for them. So they're heading towards the shutdown. And I don't
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think that they really understood the mindset of the Trump administration towards woke, weaponized
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and wasteful government. Because essentially, on September 30th, October 1st, there is no
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appropriation in place. So, you know, in past shutdowns, presidents have decided to furlough. But
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there's no requirement to furlough. The Trump administration can instead just start firing
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large scale. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. This is so key.
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This is absolutely, this is what I say, this trap was set. In the past, you could kind of, and they
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did, they kind of played footsie. That's why you just had a couple of park rangers that maybe took a
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day off or something, right? This is totally, completely different. What Rose Vogt's saying,
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hey, at midnight on the 30th, it runs out, baby. The new fiscal year starts at one in the morning,
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on the, on the 1st of October, and we got no money. We have no appropriations. We have nothing. So
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I've got to go to all non-essential workers. I'm not going to furlough them. I'm going to fire them.
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Is that essentially Russ Vogt's plan? Well, yes. If there's no appropriation in place,
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then the president of the United States has a significant amount of authority to eliminate
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spending to comport with the lack of that appropriation, minus security, things that
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are life-saving, national defense. But otherwise, the president has a broad amount of authority. And
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if the president authorizes OMB Director Russ Vogt to put that plan in place, they can take a wrecking
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ball to a lot of these bureaucracies that are unnecessary and are just elevating the debt,
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serving no public purpose. So in that respect, just legally and statutorily, I don't understand
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what the Democrats are thinking. And I'm kind of glad they're this inept.
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Russ has always been very aggressive about this. Do you have a sense of the white, it seems from
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Politico and these other stories, the White House, I mean, everybody's moving forward because Russ
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is not a guy to get out over his skis. Do you anticipate now that this, because I think it's
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technically too late to get everybody back together before the 30th, right? I think it's,
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firstly, you have to do it a couple of days in advance, but I only think the house is back
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until next week, right? So are we marching forward in unison?
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They could call back. That's true. But you didn't think you got the Senate. I mean, there's no,
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there's, yeah, but the Democrats have laid down that they're not prepared to back President Trump's
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current plan, that it has to be, you know, healthcare for illegal aliens. So where do you
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think we stand with the administration on actually doing, this is maximalist strategy. What do you think,
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what do you think, what do you think the probability here is?
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Well, Russ is one of the most loyal people I have ever met, and he truly believes that his job is to
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serve the interests of the president, not his own agenda. So if Russ's vote is out there talking about
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this, that tells me it's almost a certainty that the White House has approved this. It would be
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extremely unlikely for Russ to ever do anything that he didn't think the president would support or
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had authorized. So that tells me that this is a very likely outcome should a shutdown occur. And
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look, the left can throw a hissy fit and say they're going to sue. But I don't understand from
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a legal perspective how they would be able to stop in a shutdown, where there's no appropriation in
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place, the firing of bureaucracies and bureaucrats that are unnecessary in a government shutdown scenario
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that have nothing to do with national offense, life-saving measures or security apparatuses.
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We've talked about on the show for the last couple of weeks, Russ has been signaling essential versus
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non-essential, essential versus non-essential. Do you have any sense right now of the scale that
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I don't, but there's a lot of bureaucracies out there that I know that the president and other
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cabinet secretaries, and remember, this is not just for us to vote. This would be all cabinet
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secretaries tasked with identifying, weaponizing, wasteful bureaucracies within their areas of
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responsibility. So it would be all hands on deck effort to identify. So my guess is it would be
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Uh, Wade, where do you, uh, where do you go? By the way, I sat in my office in the West wing next to the
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president or right next to the one down from the president with Russ vote, then deputy in May of
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2017, and he whiteboarded out the waterfall, how cash came in on the debt ceiling. And also we were
00:25:30.060
heading towards a government, potential government shutdown in September. And Russ had thought it
00:25:35.020
through back then he's refined it. I mean, this guy, he is the perfect OMB pick, the perfect right hand
00:25:41.800
for the president. Uh, Wade, where do folks go to, um, find out more about CRA and also follow you on
00:25:48.880
social media? Cause you guys are on top of the story. Like nobody else. Sure. America renewing.com
00:25:54.640
is our website. Uh, and my social media handles on X is, uh, Wade Miller underscore USMC.
00:26:03.820
Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Thanks for having me on. Okay. Prepare for Russ vote.
00:26:09.080
Russ vote's going to get eviscerated. He'll go front and center. It's his turn in the barrel
00:26:14.040
starting probably this afternoon with, uh, MSNBC and CNN, New York times, Washington post. This guy's
00:26:21.260
cruel. He's a Christian nationalist. He's this, he's that. Hey, they had every opportunity to work
00:26:28.340
with president Trump. And now they're saying, well, the, the, the, the logic last night on Stephanie
00:26:33.860
rule, they had this guy where the logic's worked against it because the president can't say, yo,
00:26:37.640
the Democrats came up with demands that the president said, there's no need to sit down. If
00:26:43.780
this is what you're demanding, you can't negotiate that. And you've said you're demanding it. So
00:26:49.400
no need to meet. Remember the fiscal part of this, we still have to get our arms around. It's still,
00:26:57.900
I believe too much of a Keynesian stimulus. Cause the deficit, I think on the 30th, as I've said,
00:27:04.780
I thought was 2 trillion. It's going to be 1.9. I think we could get to two if it's all
00:27:10.240
appropriately accounted for. You got to deal with that. That has to be dealt with. Russ has got a
00:27:16.080
plan for rescissions, pocket rescissions, impoundment, because the folks on Capitol Hill are not,
00:27:22.020
they're not equipped to deal with the problems. This is remember the whole single subject spending bills
00:27:27.320
and appropriations bills. We're here, we're here where we are. The best alternative. I know this
00:27:35.820
audience is wildly enthused about that as a CR that goes to 21st of November, 21 November.
00:27:42.380
That looks like that's not going to happen. Nobody's around. They're trying to call the
00:27:46.020
president's bluff and he's going to bring out the heavy siege guns. He's got Russ vote and Russ vote.
00:27:51.440
The brothers got a plan. And, uh, this is really going to take a meat ax to the administrative state
00:27:59.020
as Russ vote has thought this thing through for years and years and years. The folks over heritage
00:28:04.360
helped him with project 2025. Many people worked on this. So I kept telling you essential versus
00:28:10.700
non-essential and the, the lovers of big government over the democratic party are going to be shocked
00:28:17.980
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extraordinary. Okay. Sean Davis. The Federalist. I want to first thank you. First of all, we have two
00:30:59.720
articles specifically, but the whole thing I want you to take. The two articles. One, you've got an
00:31:05.500
amazing article. Three more left-wing attacks follow Charlie Kirk's murder, which is really about
00:31:09.740
how the media is goading this on and is an active partner in this. It's extraordinary. Then you go
00:31:14.720
back with an amazing piece about the legacy of John Brown and how the left is using this. Andrew
00:31:21.520
Andrew Colvitt had a, on his Twitter feed, a handout of, at Georgetown University, of which I'm a
00:31:31.240
graduate of, that had, hey, catch this fascist, right, about the bullet. That's one of the things
00:31:37.240
on the bullet that assassinated Charlie Kirk. And it's put out by the John Brown, I guess, John Brown
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Society or some new society. First of all, I want to thank you. You've been the intellectual
00:31:47.060
center, your site, The Federalist, with so many amazing articles every day from just top-line
00:31:55.320
thinkers and writers that if we didn't have you right now in this movement, I don't know where
00:32:00.260
we'd be. I point people to The Federalist all the time because you provide the intellectual
00:32:04.580
kind of framework of the fight that we're in. And it's a fight. So, Sean Davis, can you talk to
00:32:11.100
those two pieces then overall this moment in American history and where we are?
00:32:18.300
Yeah, so we had two great pieces. The first was from John Davidson looking at the terrorist legacy
00:32:23.480
of John Brown. And make no mistake, John Brown was a terrorist. He went and butchered innocent people
00:32:28.280
in the cause of abolition, you know, which is a good cause. But the definition of terrorism
00:32:34.060
is using violence against noncombatants in order to bring about political change. It's not guerrilla
00:32:40.960
warfare. It's not conventional warfare. It's killing innocent people to terrify a populace into doing
00:32:46.560
what you want them to do. That's what John Brown did. And now John Brown has become something of a
00:32:53.460
an icon for these these ugly gay communists who style themselves as anti-fascists. They've decided that
00:33:01.580
they're, you know, they're not the communists going out and murdering people in the street
00:33:05.680
for Marxist ideals. No, they have in their heads this idea that they're just trying to go and
00:33:11.780
free the slaves. And therefore, just like John Brown thought, they can do anything they want.
00:33:15.680
They can kill anyone they want. They can perpetrate any violence they want to whatever ends they want.
00:33:21.160
And then the second article we had was a spectacular one from Breck and Tease about all of the additional
00:33:27.020
left-wing terrorist attacks we've had since Charlie Kirk was murdered.
00:33:30.080
I believe our headline was that there were three terrorist attacks. I think we can add a fourth
00:33:34.700
because I think there were a bunch of terrorists who went and shot a Little League coach while he
00:33:38.460
was praying last night or the day before. And, you know, I like hearing what I'm hearing from the
00:33:45.160
administration about, you know, they're calling the terrorists what they are. They're calling the
00:33:50.340
violence what it is. I kind of think the time for talk is over. It's been two weeks, two weeks and a
00:33:56.840
day since Charlie was killed. The time for talk is over. The time to roll up these terrorist Antifa
00:34:03.080
networks that are out there openly calling for and executing violence on us. The time for that
00:34:08.280
nonsense is over. So, like, they need to get cracking and quit talking because lives are at stake.
00:34:13.460
Our lives are at stake. And we can't stand for this nonsense anymore.
00:34:17.120
The president had to put out a tweet or a true social last week directed to Pam to say, hey, look,
00:34:25.400
I don't know what's happening here, but you got Brennan and these guys on TV still doing smack talk and
00:34:30.900
they all should be in prison. What's happening? And a part of that was driven, I think, by Comey
00:34:35.520
not being indicted in the in the statute of limitations running out next week. We know that
00:34:41.120
the FBI has now designated these training, these transgender militias, these radical and trust me,
00:34:47.420
they are radical, violent militias, NVEs, nihilistic, violent extremists. In the categorization,
00:34:55.400
it gives them a broader range of things to go after. Also, we designated Antifa on on Monday,
00:35:01.620
President Trump coming back from Charlie Kirk's commemoration or funeral service, however you want
00:35:06.800
to call it, saying, hey, where is this thing to designate Antifa terrorist organization, which
00:35:11.560
which gives you a broad toolbox, not just to go after the first level of the of the of the front
00:35:18.020
men and the guys in the black block and all that crowd, but the second tier of people that train
00:35:22.060
them. Many of those come from the United States military. Just got to understand that. And from
00:35:26.700
our national security apparatus and from the intelligence apparatus. And then the most important
00:35:31.540
is all the foundations that give money. All the media works with the partners and all the
00:35:36.260
billionaires, the sources and all those guys throughout the world that finance this crap.
00:35:41.020
What do you anticipate? You say it's time to talk over. Do you know, we had Glenn Youngkin last
00:35:47.660
night filling in for Charlie and Megyn Kelly. Is is that aspect of what Charlie was trying to do
00:35:53.820
over? Are you saying, hey, on a on a macro level, we got to throw the we got to throw the gauntlet
00:35:59.440
down and stop putting up with this crap? Yeah, and I actually think Trump needs to go a step
00:36:04.520
further. I think it's great that he's designated Antifa and all the little tentacles from that is
00:36:10.340
domestic terrorist organizations. I actually think there's more than enough evidence and
00:36:14.640
information to actually designate them as foreign terrorist organizations, because that opens up an
00:36:20.320
even bigger and more powerful toolbox. We know they get a lot of their money from overseas. We know
00:36:25.100
they get a lot of organization and help from Germany, from within Europe. So I think Trump needs to go
00:36:31.500
even further and treat them as the not just domestic, but foreign funded and organized
00:36:36.420
terrorist organizations that they are. We're looking at an ISIS equivalent. We're looking at
00:36:41.480
people who are highly organized. They operate in cells. They all have the same goals. They're trained,
00:36:47.860
whether it's by former U.S. military or foreign military, to go out and perpetrate violence.
00:36:53.320
They need to go and they need to be crushed. And I think that means going and doing raids on these
00:36:57.940
people who are trying to seize and run sieges against federal courthouses, against federal
00:37:03.420
buildings. These are terrorist organizations. We need to treat them like we treated Al-Qaeda
00:37:08.520
and ISIS and every other group out there. It's not enough just to have executive orders. We actually
00:37:15.360
need to have people going after them, hauling them in, taking them off the streets. And most importantly,
00:37:20.660
they need to have their, their financing networks absolutely destroyed.
00:37:27.000
You're going to see people that were either former government officials are in the government today.
00:37:31.180
You're going to see financiers, all of it, media, politicians, all of it. This way you got to go
00:37:36.160
start kicking down some doors. I could not agree with you more. Sean Davis, last thing,
00:37:41.360
the pressure on federalists to crush the federalists and to get you, get you guys shut down. How
00:37:46.400
intense is it, sir? Oh, it's, it's extremely intense. There has been a, uh, extremely well
00:37:52.620
coordinated and financed operation coming after us really since we, we began, uh, uncovering the
00:37:58.740
Russia hoax. Um, but it was kicked into overdrive and in February of 2021, Facebook worked to crush us.
00:38:05.400
Google worked to crush us. YouTube made sure nobody ever saw our videos. None of them have, have
00:38:10.400
apologized. None of them have offered restitution. It's the kind of thing that cost us millions and
00:38:15.320
millions and millions of dollars. As you know, running a media organization, uh, to, to tell
00:38:21.240
the truth and to go against the left is not a cheap, uh, thing. It costs money. We have to hire
00:38:26.060
people. We have to hire editors and the entire left-wing movement, uh, the entire Democrat power
00:38:31.640
apparatus, uh, has been focused on, on crushing us. We're not going anywhere, but, but my goodness is,
00:38:37.760
uh, is it a fight trying to just stay alive when you have all of the forces of evil in this world
00:38:42.780
trying to crush you. Sean Davis, where should people go right now to follow you on social media
00:38:49.660
and where they go get the Federalist folks, you got to make this part of your media diet
00:38:53.300
every morning. It's the intellectual kind of framing mechanism we have where they go, Sean.
00:39:00.080
Thank you, sir. They should go to the federalist.com. We're actually running a matching campaign right
00:39:04.660
now. So every dollar people put in up to a hundred thousand dollars, uh, we've had a donor who will
00:39:09.460
match it dollar for dollar. Uh, it's really important for us to get that kind of support.
00:39:13.460
And then number two, they can find me on X at Sean M D A V S E A N M D A V.
00:39:23.440
Sean Davis. Thank you so much. Keep the fight, man.
00:39:29.800
Incredible. This is very dangerous. He's a hundred percent correct. This is terrorism.
00:39:33.440
I'll get more information. They shot that, the little league coach shouting, praying.
00:39:41.440
I think there's going to be some announced, supposed to be a news conference this afternoon
00:39:44.780
about the, about what happened down in Dallas. Once again, like in a, you know, a progressive
00:39:50.320
mother, you know, uh, babying these grown men and what they do to go out there and shooting
00:39:58.280
people with high powered rifles is snipers. And then because they're, they have such great
00:40:03.840
backgrounds in, uh, you know, in, um, in religion and the Judeo Christian West, they commit suicide.
00:40:10.200
They shoot themselves. It's a fine mess they made, but that doesn't have to destroy the United
00:40:16.640
States of America. You're having a color revolution run on you. And there are people standing up saying,
00:40:22.960
we've had enough and we're not going to tolerate it. And I don't care how much the mainstream media,
00:40:27.540
there's nothing to talk about. This is not a debate anymore. All they're doing in the media is
00:40:33.360
pushing this saying, Oh, Trump's an authoritarian. Trump said, fine, say what you want. It's time to
00:40:38.600
shut it down. You've got the tools. I agree with the foreign, the major terrorism to get more,
00:40:44.460
get more tools, but shut it down. Let's start kicking down some doors. FBI was pretty, they kicked
00:40:50.940
down doors on the abortion people. We got a bunch of grandmothers in prison. I know because in my prison
00:40:56.680
and I went into camp and the prison I was in the unbelievably, the holiest people I've ever met
00:41:02.160
folks in their sixties and seventies, because they prayed the rosary outside of an abortion
00:41:07.440
clinic and they're in a federal prison doors kicked down by the FBI. Merrick Garland sent him to prison.
00:41:12.000
Why is Merrick Garland not in prison? Why is Lisa Monaco? Well, she's at Microsoft,
00:41:17.160
the general care. Why is she not in prison? It's time to take the gloves off and stop screwing around
00:41:22.740
with this. Let's get on with it. And you can see, don't take it from me. Do not take it from me.
00:41:28.020
The frustration of president Trump, when he's got to send a public message to his attorney general,
00:41:32.380
like get off, you know, I need some action here. And first off Halligan, he installed an Eastern
00:41:39.280
district and Hey, I guess she's bringing the indictment on, on Comey. Although last night during
00:41:45.820
Lawrence O'Donnell, they said there's an eternal memo now coming from three career prosecutors. No,
00:41:51.100
you can't do it. It's not going to hold up in court, et cetera, et cetera. Rosemary Jenks.
00:41:56.120
We've got about a minute, a minute and a half here. I'm going to hold you through the break.
00:41:59.560
H1Bs and particularly Senator Grassley, where do we stand with this mess that Howard Ludnick
00:42:04.860
didn't explain kind of misled the president, misled the country, misled wall street,
00:42:09.600
midless misled folks in India. Uh, give me a minute on this before we go to break and I'll bring you back.
00:42:15.940
Yeah. Senator Grassley is exactly right. The only way, and he didn't actually connect these in his
00:42:22.480
tweet, but the only way that, uh, secretary Ludnick's plan works is if you end OPT because
00:42:29.360
the fee for the a hundred thousand dollar fee does not apply to people who are in the country and adjust
00:42:37.060
from one status to another. And the most common is from OPT to H1B. So all the Microsofts and Amazons
00:42:45.200
and, and all of those are going to use that in country adjustment to avoid the fee. Okay.
00:42:51.840
The only people will be paying it will be the body shops unless you get rid of OPT.
00:42:57.100
Yes. Ludnick, you're a sleazy bond salesman and that might've worked when you're at your sleazy
00:43:05.700
bucket shop selling, uh, uh, these, uh, crappy bonds to the unsuspecting, but it don't work here.
00:43:14.700
You've lied and tried to sell a bill of goods to the president, the United States and the American
00:43:20.660
people. And it is unacceptable. And you are unacceptable. It's a clown show. So we're
00:43:29.620
going to break it all down for you. And thank God for Senator Grassley. Short break.
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By the way, you know, I had, we had Pat Velosky on last night and, um, um, Chris, because of this
00:45:02.100
YouTube and Google thing. And remember here in the world, we want to break up Google.
00:45:05.640
We don't want to work with it. We want to break it up. We built one of the most largest and most
00:45:10.120
powerful shows in all media and we're banned everywhere on all the big platforms. I had
00:45:17.960
that happen. It was real America's voice and, uh, our ability and grace and our ability just
00:45:22.720
to get the content and you as force multipliers. Well, YouTube, oh, we're going to let Bongino
00:45:27.860
ban it back on. I said, Hey, F you zero interest. I think the report is Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes
00:45:34.960
has actually put up YouTube channels last night. Guess what? Taken down right away.
00:45:39.600
That's what Pavlosky is telling me or showing me. Unbelievable. Uh, Rosemary Jenks. This was
00:45:45.220
a bait and switch. It's a bait and switch. The reason is Reed Hastings and all these guys
00:45:50.320
at Netflix, all the big shots are coming out saying this is wonderful. It's a solution.
00:45:53.880
So if those demons like it, you know, it's bad. H one B visas are a total and complete scam.
00:46:00.920
And it's an insult to the kids and young men and women that went through all the training,
00:46:06.960
everything to say that their foreign workers better than not better. No one's ever showed
00:46:11.140
me one billet that didn't, we didn't have the education and the job experience to do. It
00:46:16.080
is a scam to destroy American workers by big corporations and the oligarchs whose greed is
00:46:22.940
unlimited, unbound. What they want is to pay people slave wages and have them live as indentured
00:46:29.420
servants. It's not acceptable. And we are going to get this program shut down. Now talk about the
00:46:35.400
loop. First off, he lied about everything in the oval office. If any other guy had ever done it,
00:46:40.460
be fired immediately. This is not a tiny program and it's not a small issue. It's a central issue
00:46:45.900
for American citizens. And he sits in the oval and just lies. Oh, it's an annual thing. All this
00:46:52.500
money we're going to generate to shut the deficit, just bald face lies. This is not a miss. This is a
00:46:57.840
bald face lie. Then the most important part is OPT. Tell people what that terminology means.
00:47:03.960
What's the concept and why is it they're sneaky? It's Lutnik's sneaky workaround here with his
00:47:09.500
corporate buddies in Silicon Valley, ma'am. So OPT stands for optional practical training,
00:47:16.860
and it is a scheme that was cooked up under W. Bush to allow foreign students, once they've graduated,
00:47:24.180
to remain in the United States and take a job. They don't have to pay FICA taxes. The employer
00:47:31.320
doesn't have to pay FICA taxes for them. So that's basically a 7.5% discount for employers to hire them
00:47:38.620
over American students. And then Obama actually expanded the program for STEM OPT to three years
00:47:49.460
instead of one year. So these foreign students get three years at a discount for the employer
00:47:54.880
to essentially find an employer to sponsor them for an H-1B. And since they're already in the country,
00:48:01.180
they're not going to have to pay this fee. Now, I'm going to step out of bounds here, Steve,
00:48:06.660
and say that I don't actually believe that Secretary Lutnik was lying. I think that he doesn't
00:48:13.680
understand immigration law. And I think he probably believes everything he said, or at least did,
00:48:20.140
but... Okay, hold it. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Okay, fine. I say he should be fired for lying.
00:48:26.400
You say he should be fired for being a moron because the Commerce Secretary doesn't understand. This is
00:48:31.360
not esoteric. This is central. And that's why knowing Lutnik and knowing what a sleazy bond salesman he was,
00:48:39.220
right? This is the kind of bait and switch he does. But look, I'll go with you. Let's say he
00:48:43.620
wasn't lying. But if this is the case, he's too dumb to be the Commerce Secretary. So pick it. He's
00:48:49.260
either a liar and should be fired, or he's too dumb and should be fired. Either way, he tried to screw
00:48:54.680
and he's screwing American workers. Is he not, ma'am? You know, I don't think that is his intention.
00:49:02.840
I think the H-1B program needs to be eliminated, full stop. I think he is trying to make it
00:49:10.720
microscopically better, but it's not going to work. And it's not going to work because of the
00:49:18.220
complexities of immigration law. And, you know, I don't think he included the Department of Homeland
00:49:23.940
Security in coming up with this order, or the gold card order for that matter. And the fact is,
00:49:31.820
they're just not going to work because of how complicated the law is and how many workarounds
00:49:37.740
there are for these big employers who don't want to pay a fee, don't want to hire Americans,
00:49:43.500
and can get away with it still under this order.
00:49:49.580
You see what a nice person and a good person, Rosemary Jenks is? You're a good person. You're
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a nice person. But you damned him so... By the way, the gold card's not right. He didn't talk to...
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You didn't include DHS. It's got to be central. Listen, here's the bottom line. The bottom line
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is that people like yourself, they go about it very methodically and don't get all worked up and
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say, hey, no, this is where you're wrong, bing, bing, bing. And Senator Grassley, who's an old war
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horse and from Iowa and has got that kind of common sense out there in the great heartland of this
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nation, right? You guys think the students say, hey, neither one of these work. They're not even
00:50:28.440
close to coordinating with existing law. But more importantly, they're just kind of all workarounds.
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When Reed Hastings comes out, Reed Hastings, who hates the president of the United States
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more than anything, when he comes out and says, yeah, I think this is great. It's really going to work.
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You know that the big shots in Silicon Valley, it works for them.
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So what's your recommendation now, how we get this shut down, particularly backing Senator Grassley
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and what he's doing, ma'am? Well, so we need to stop OPT. And because it was created by Executive
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Fiat, the administration can stop it dead in its tracks today. Just a stroke of the pen can stop
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OPT. But more importantly, we've got to eliminate H-1B. And by the way, I don't know if you have seen
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this, but Senator Banks has introduced a bill that doesn't end H-1B, but it does eliminate OPT.
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It raises the base salary for H-1B to $150,000, which is almost double its current salary.
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It makes a lot of changes that would make a big difference and would definitely cut out the body
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shops and the people who abuse it most. So that's a step, but we need to eliminate it.
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Ma'am, you're fantastic. I'm going to send everybody to your site so they can get
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up to speed on this. Where do they go, Rosemary? Social media and your site.
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IAProject.org is our website, our Twitter account. Just look for Immigration Accountability
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Project. You'll find us on X, on YouTube, on everything. We haven't been banned yet,
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You're a happy warrior and a good person and a decent person. So thank you so much for coming
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on. Dave Bratt, by the way, is on our board. Folks, think about where we were at the fight
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with Elon back in the... Hey, trust the process. We're getting there. Eliminate this scam, all
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of it. Stop taking jobs away from American kids, men and women who have worked their entire
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