Brendan McAllister and Alex Blumberg discuss the indictments of James Comey and other key witnesses in the Trump administration s case against former FBI Director James Comey. They also discuss the possibility of more indictments coming from the Eastern District of Virginia.
00:00:00.000I think fear is pretty pervasive, and I wonder if you guys feel the way Jim Comey does or if you ever feel afraid. You first, Brendan.
00:00:10.420Well, it's a great question, and I'm glad that, you know, James Comey is striking a tone of defiance. I think that's exactly right.
00:00:17.920I completely understand why a person would feel afraid in this moment, no matter who you are.
00:00:24.460But just as there are reasons for fear, I think that there are reasons for defiance and even reasons for hope.
00:00:30.180You know, one of the things that I find encouraging here is that this administration wasn't able to secure an indictment on its first proposed charge,
00:00:37.700which suggests that even only seeing the government's evidence, that these grand jurors rejected them.
00:00:44.880So, you know, the fact that they've got an incredibly weak case, I think, is a reason for hope.
00:00:48.800I think the other reason for hope is that this is a terrifically incompetent administration generally,
00:00:54.140and it seems like an incompetent leadership that's coming into the Eastern District of Virginia.
00:00:58.320So even though this administration might be pursuing political prosecutions and pursuing it very aggressively,
00:01:05.340I don't think that they're necessarily going to pursue them particularly well.
00:01:08.840Asked Trump if there would be more prosecutions of people on his enemies list, and the president said this.
00:01:13.660It's not a list, but I think there'll be others.
00:04:06.760How do you see James Comey mentally going into this trial?
00:04:12.160One thing I think we've learned during the Russiagate period is that James Comey has a peculiar sort of vanity that I think is often his undoing.
00:04:24.560He often thinks that he's being clever when he's not.
00:04:27.520He often thinks that he's showing tremendous rectitude when he's actually looking like a phony on television.
00:04:34.300The more exposure that he gets for himself, I think, actually, the more it will redound to Trump's benefit.
00:04:40.100So, as far as I'm concerned, it's good if he's on television more during this period.
00:04:46.140The Justice Department is now subpoenaing Fannie Willis, who is, of course, the prosecutor in Atlanta, Georgia, who brought charges against the co-conspirators on January 6th.
00:04:55.760The FBI is firing 15 agents who five years ago kneeled briefly and were in a photo.
00:05:01.340Again, there's the focus thing and there's the, like, rushing aspect of it, which both seem...
00:05:06.100I mean, I think part of the problem with this stuff is that the number of Americans who know who Fannie Willis is, my guess is it's relatively small compared to the number of Americans who know...
00:05:16.200And so, you know, when he picks these really high-profile fights with people who have, you know, it's not the same level of who exists in the celebrity realm.
00:05:24.960It's just like, you know, his fights with Taylor Swift have also not, I think, kind of redounded to his benefit.
00:05:30.480Stephen Miller, the fanatic who is driving much of Donald Trump's domestic policy agenda, calls the Democratic Party a domestic extremist organization.
00:05:38.080And yesterday, Miller seemed beyond pleased with a new order Trump signed that essentially directs the government to investigate and prosecute politically progressive people and organizations who they claim falsely fund left-wing political violence.
00:05:51.900The FBI has apparently fired 15 agents who took a knee during the 2020 Black Lives Matter protest.
00:05:58.880That's the Washington Post is reporting that.
00:06:01.080The agents say they didn't necessarily do it to express solidarity with the protesters' goals, but to defuse a tense situation.
00:06:09.480We've also got a New York Times report that Fannie Willis, who is, of course, the Georgia prosecutor who brought charges against the crew of folks that tried to engineer the January 6th,
00:06:22.280that the Department of Justice has issued a subpoena for her travel records.
00:06:25.960And the reason I bring both these up is the idea of them moving very quickly and very aggressively in front of all of us and what you think that means about the strength of what they're doing and its likelihood of succeeding.
00:06:43.420Well, as always, the likelihood of succeeding depends on us.
00:06:47.060But I think you're right to point to the speed as not necessarily a sign of strength.
00:06:51.620One thing which is very characteristic of this crew is that they don't have an overall plan.
00:06:59.320They want to change the regime, for sure, but there's no one central figure who's making the plan.
00:07:05.180Instead, you have this kind of stochastic and very often personal effort, which is also a point of weakness.
00:07:11.580It's reprehensible, illegal, and against everything in the best of American traditions to turn justice against individuals.
00:07:19.160But it's also not the most effective way of doing things because we can sympathize with individuals.
00:07:25.300And that's part of what the pushback will be about.
00:07:28.440There's a phrase, and I didn't hear about this phrase until just a few years ago, China hawks.
00:07:42.140There's no question it's a badge of shame.
00:07:45.480There's no question that although they want what's in the best interest of our country, and we all want what's in the best interest of our country, destroying that pipeline of the American dream is not patriotic.
00:08:21.760The key difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0, and Tyler just hit that depth, is now that he has people in place at the Justice Department, like Pam Bondi, who don't care what facts are.
00:08:38.540They don't care about the rule of law, which requires people, prosecutors, to treat like cases alike.
00:08:45.840They care about one thing, and that is appeasing Donald Trump, and that's very different from his first term, where we had people like Bill Barr, who, and I have a lot of problems with Bill Barr, Charles, but when it mattered most, that Republican attorney general told Donald Trump that he was wrong about the big lie about the 2020 election.
00:09:06.160His previous attorney general, Jeff Sessions, you remember, Sessions appropriately recused himself from overseeing the FBI investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
00:09:18.220But that mold, that mold is gone this year.
00:09:22.540That's why we're saying all of these types of actions against Comey, against Fonnie Willis and Letitia James, but even though the facts don't warrant it.
00:09:32.880He's got people in place to do whatever he wants done.
00:09:35.340This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:09:43.460Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:09:48.680I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:09:52.940The people have had a belly full of it.
00:11:30.300But this is about getting every single person out there that sees the difference between good and evil and the horrific tragedy that happened to Charlie.
00:12:39.460You know, so that moment when we called it on election night and all of a sudden Erica runs in the room and hugs Charlie and they have that emotional exchange.
00:12:47.920I mean, that video has been played hundreds of millions of times.
00:26:17.120Jack Basovic, great work in Phoenix this week with the Turning Point team.
00:26:22.040I'm sure he'll be back out there, and the Turning Point team really represented –
00:26:25.640re-initiating the college tour already and having a great week of shows.
00:26:30.220Where do people get you now more than ever, Jack?
00:26:32.220Particularly your Twitter feed is kind of the advanced intelligence operation, the air search radar.
00:26:39.140Where do folks go to keep up with you over the weekend until we come back on Monday?
00:26:42.340Yeah, Steve, well, of course, we'll be up at X, at Truth Social, at Jack Basovic, the Telegram, the Getter.
00:26:49.660And, you know, we're actually going through – we're digging up some of the interviews that I did with Charlie, some of the final podcasts.
00:26:56.600We just found one where we were talking about the book Unhumans and the history of the Bolsheviks.
00:27:46.400Can't start better than the Basovic brothers to start off a Saturday, right?
00:27:50.160Kevin Basovic's up for Cliff Maloney at the Penn State-Oregon game at a tailgate party in honor of Charlie Kirk giving away 5,000 of the shirts that Charlie Kirk was wearing at the moment they assassinated him.
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00:31:19.580Then we have those percale sheets that we're closing out.
00:34:58.500And that's going to be revealed through the investigations.
00:35:03.080And Jack's comments, of course, on the creation of the—or the implications, really, of the Joint Terrorism Task Force is hugely important.
00:35:12.500So you're going to have the foundations and democratic donors that are really very important here.
00:35:20.660Secondly, Steve, and this needs to get attention, the Chinese Communist Party is also behind this.
00:35:27.880So there are, if you will, domestic elements, democratic donors, for example, Tides Foundation, Act Blue.
00:36:24.100There's no question it's a badge of shame.
00:36:26.140There's no question that although they want what's in the best interest of our country, and we all want what's in the best interest of our country,
00:36:32.440destroying that pipeline of the American dream is not patriotic.
00:36:40.280They think they're doing the right thing for our country, but it's not patriotic, not even a little bit.
00:37:29.860This is what's happening to the country.
00:37:31.280They talk about artificial intelligence, and we need no regulation of artificial intelligence, and Peter Thiel is saying that really the Antichrist people want to regulate artificial intelligence.
00:37:40.580If we shut down their access to technology and chips and training, there wouldn't be any arms race here.
00:37:48.080Don't buy the media narrative coming from the oligarchs, and this guy is one of the worst.
00:37:53.180He is an agent of influence for the Chinese Communist Party, and for him to sit there and say the American dream is predicated on us.
00:38:01.280Us allowing China to steal everything, our intellectual property.
00:45:52.360So, Ben, two things I got to get from you is all this in the Ukraine because it looks like we're rapidly hurtling into the kinetic part of the Third World War.
00:46:03.080President Trump has tried and tried and tried to bring the Russians to the table, including kind of threatened him this when he was in England.
00:46:09.580And by the way, England is putting in a digital ID that even Boris Johnson, as bad as he is, is sitting there saying, I will never take a government ID.
00:46:19.800And so the whole idea of the surveillance state is actually getting more advanced in our mother country.
00:46:25.340And I think that's very, very dangerous for us here.
00:46:28.160But on Ukraine, Zelensky said yesterday he ain't leaving until they've won the war.
00:46:33.460That could be a couple of decades, if ever.
00:46:35.740Your thoughts on Ukraine before we go to the United Kingdom?
00:46:39.580Look, Steve, Axios have, and I push this out on Geta, Axios have this interview with Zelensky who says that he had President Trump's explicit backing to hit Russian energy targets and infrastructure and arms factories.
00:47:00.440And he said that if Ukraine gets the additional long range weaponry from the U.S., which he spoke to President Trump directly about on the margins of the U.N., he said we will use that.
00:47:11.460And Zelensky added that the Russian centers of power, like the Kremlin, were very much on the table.
00:47:18.220And Zelensky even added that basically the Russians working in the Kremlin, they need to know where the bomb shelters are, because if they don't stop the war, they're going to need it in any case.
00:47:28.440Steve, this is really something that you've been highlighting now for many, many months.
00:47:33.640This is the World War III, well underway.
00:47:37.820And I have to say, and I'll pick my words carefully on this, because I'm certainly not going to come onto the warming, criticise President Trump.
00:47:46.620But if President Trump feels or thinks or is acting under the assumption that supplying U.S. arms via NATO is going to eliminate America from the picture, from any potential reprisal on the Russian part because of that technicality being supplied via NATO, I think President Trump is making a very large miscalculation on that.
00:48:12.180America is certainly going to be dragged in if Zelensky uses long-range missiles to bomb the Kremlin.
00:48:20.100There's no way, I think, America is going to stay out of that.
00:48:23.240So you're right to say President Trump has been working very hard over the last eight months to achieve peace.
00:48:31.160But really, I think the way things are going now, he really needs to do what he said in the election campaign.
00:48:36.800And if he can't end the war, he's got to withdraw the United States explicitly and implicitly from every engagement.
00:48:46.200And it has to be on the table now, really.
00:48:48.540If you look at what the Europeans are doing, so they're all sort of walking with the swagger because they've got President Trump's backing there because he said, again,
00:48:59.160President Trump has said that he thinks that Zelensky can win this war, it should be on the table because of the European swagger, American withdrawal from NATO.
00:49:12.720But hang on, but hang on, but hang on.
00:49:15.220The swagger comes, he had the meeting here in D.C.
00:49:19.360The swagger comes with really no commitment.
00:49:22.700There's no real commitment from money.
00:49:24.200Macron's government is essentially paralyzed, imploded because of the money situation.
00:50:31.360I realize President Trump said, hey, you know, and he was trying to beat up Putin by saying, hey, I think that they didn't take it in a couple of weeks.
00:50:41.420We're going to take the three hundred fifty billion dollars of assets.
00:50:43.980We'll talk about that with Philip Patrick when they get here.
00:50:46.320That Ukraine, you know, can not just go back and reverse what the war has done for the last three or four years, but then take back Donbass and Crimea.
00:50:57.360That's what President Trump negotiating.
00:50:59.120Why would NATO have swagger when internally to each country they don't actually have the ability to put the money, the troops and particularly the troops where they have to go to be prepared for combat in eastern Ukraine with the Russian army?
00:51:18.040Well, the first thing, Steve, to say is on your list of what is going wrong in Europe, I must add the fact that France's sovereign debt was downgraded by Fitch's, right?
00:51:29.240Which is Fitch, one of the four great ratings agencies.
00:51:34.000So that downgrade illustrates to the bond markets that France has in sustainability in terms of its long term debt.
00:51:42.600That is fundamentally the reason why France is a paper tiger, one of the most military powerful of the European nations.
00:51:50.420But coming back to why the swagger, Steve, now I will continue this after the break, but it's precisely for those reasons that they're incapable of doing anything without America.
00:51:58.820Because they think, I don't know why, but they think that they have President Trump wrapped in to underwrite their security.
00:52:08.780If they didn't feel that, you wouldn't see the swagger.
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