Bannon's War Room - September 27, 2025


Episode 4811： Climate Change And Affordability Sway New Jersey And Pennsylvania Politics


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Stephen K. Baughn and Ben Harnell join host Steve Kamb ( ) in the War Room to discuss the latest on the latest in the ongoing immigration debate, the ongoing government shutdown, and more.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 Mega Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room.
00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.
00:00:51.000 It's Saturday, 27 September in the year of our Lord 2025.
00:00:55.000 The President of the United States has authorized by a request from the Secretary of Homeland Security,
00:01:02.000 Kristi Noem, to direct the Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, if we can get that up, the True Social,
00:01:08.000 to send all necessary force into Portland, Oregon to immediately put down the Antifa raids against ICE in the federal facilities in Portland.
00:01:25.000 At the same time, Jack Posobiec said at the opening of the show that Pam Bondi, the Justice Department, has authorized the opening up of the trigger and the coordination of the Joint Terrorism Task Force to go after Antifa and all its associates,
00:01:40.000 the transgender militias, the queer guns or armed queers of Salt Lake City and others leading up to also using the Joint Terrorism Task Force tool set to go after the financiers, 0.86
00:01:56.000 the media partners, the political partners, all of it.
00:01:59.000 All of it. This is why the Democratic Party is in complete absolute seizure and all weekend, all you're going to hear is about President Trump and how bad he is.
00:02:06.420 And so we dare you, Democratic Party, shut down the government for funding.
00:02:11.220 If you want funding of illegal alien medical, it ain't going to happen.
00:02:14.720 President Trump gave you a deal.
00:02:15.880 The House plans to see are either up or down.
00:02:18.740 Take it or leave it.
00:02:19.540 And if you leave it, if you leave it, wait for the mass firings.
00:02:23.400 Russ Vogt's got a plan.
00:02:24.300 This is called going on offense, folks.
00:02:28.300 This is offense.
00:02:29.400 In the courts, you're going to see Bolton indicted, I think, this week.
00:02:31.940 Maybe Big Tish James indicted. 1.00
00:02:34.480 They just made moves against Fannie Willis.
00:02:38.440 And you heard it in the cold open.
00:02:39.460 Well, nobody knows Fannie Willis.
00:02:40.820 Look, lady, the war room knows her well and the war room posse knows her better than that. 1.00
00:02:45.900 So, no, we're doing fine.
00:02:47.620 Ben Harnwell, the one glitch in all this is, and I want to quote the Lavrov spokesman, Maria,
00:02:54.660 Zakharova, her quote this morning, and this is about potential drones flying everywhere,
00:03:00.200 people saying they're false flags and are Russians doing it, all of it. 0.96
00:03:03.440 A lot of confusion in the fog of war in Eastern Europe right now.
00:03:07.320 Her quote, and she's Lavrov's mouthpiece, the spokesman.
00:03:10.920 And when she speaks, it's Lavrov speaking.
00:03:13.840 And when Lavrov speaks, it's Putin speaking.
00:03:16.080 And when Putin speaks, it's the KGB guys that run the deal over there.
00:03:20.340 And I want to give a quote.
00:03:21.360 Quote, never in modern times has Europe been so close to the start of World War III.
00:03:27.980 End quote.
00:03:28.900 It's like they watch the war room.
00:03:30.540 Ben Harnwell, your thoughts, sir?
00:03:31.800 Well, Steve, I mean, this comes back to the point I was saying before the break.
00:03:37.320 One of the things that is moving this up the escalator is the fact that everyone now thinks
00:03:44.100 that America is going to be involved in one way or another in the defense of Europe.
00:03:49.260 There are, look, with all due respect to Maria Zakharova, it's absolutely clear that Russia is instigating 1.00
00:03:55.720 a lot of these provocations with the drone incursions into Poland and into Denmark over the Danish airports.
00:04:06.180 And you have the Russian fighter planes coming in that happened this week.
00:04:11.180 I think they were seen of escorted out by three Italian fighter planes that were there policing Estonia for the Estonians.
00:04:24.180 The reason why we're on the cusp of World War III, and this isn't simply a territorial dispute, is because of the United States.
00:04:35.420 And as I was saying before the break, NATO and the European leaders are acting with a swagger
00:04:40.740 because they think America is now going to be coming to their defense because they don't have the economic means to keep this going.
00:04:49.500 That is why we're on the cusp of World War III, because of the ambiguity of the U.S. position.
00:04:56.320 And, you know, you saw, you asked me about Mark Reuter, the Secretary General of NATO.
00:05:03.140 He sort of, he's reiterated in the last couple of days the absolute viability of NATO forces shooting down both, obviously, the Russian trains, but also Russian jets.
00:05:18.700 So, look, that's the situation.
00:05:20.500 And it's the fact that America is there.
00:05:23.120 Is America going to come in? 0.93
00:05:24.420 When, let's go back to what I was saying at the beginning of my hit on the show today.
00:05:28.900 Zelensky made it absolutely clear.
00:05:31.800 It wasn't just that he had spoken to President Trump about getting some long-range missiles to attack the energy infrastructure deep into Russia.
00:05:42.200 That's not really, I think, what Zelensky was signaling.
00:05:46.160 He made it clear that he had President Trump's explicit authorization to do that.
00:05:52.220 That's the signal, if you will, Steve, rather than the noise.
00:05:56.000 He was making it absolutely clear to Russia that if he attacks deep into Russia, including, in Zelensky's own words, the attack striking the Kremlin, he would do that with President Trump's authorization, which he now claims to have.
00:06:11.760 That's why, Steve, we're on the verge of World War III.
00:06:16.700 In fact, no, I would add further, as you have said tightly, we are already in World War III.
00:06:22.860 The point now is to get ourselves out of it without this becoming even more kinetic.
00:06:30.800 I'm going to talk to you about the economic warfare with Philip Patrick because, folks, we're getting very close to the point of no return here.
00:06:40.260 And it's quite, quite, quite, quite serious.
00:06:44.540 At the exact time that Stephen Miller and others are talking about the sedition here in the United States, President Trump just ordered the Secretary of War, the U.S. Army, to go into Portland, Oregon with full force.
00:06:57.740 And as Jack Posobiec texted me, that is kind of going to be a shoot-to-kill order.
00:07:02.260 You watch.
00:07:03.440 This is as serious as it gets.
00:07:04.800 We're just sending – as we've argued for a long time, it's not going to stop until you make it stop.
00:07:11.860 And President Trump today is authorizing the Secretary of War to use all necessary force to put down the Antifa anti-ice riots in Portland, Oregon.
00:07:23.860 That's where we've got to focus, not in the Russian-speaking eastern provinces of Ukraine.
00:07:30.100 Ben Harnwell, you're doing an amazing job on this, and particularly you've got the buried lead in the Axios interview where Zelensky accuses President Trump of giving him full authorization to do these strikes deep into Russia.
00:07:42.360 And now he wants Tomahawk missiles, the same Tomahawk missiles fired from those great Navy submarines that took out the operations of the Iranian, the Persian nuclear weapons program.
00:07:54.240 Yes, those Tomahawk missiles.
00:07:56.300 Ben, where do people go for your content, sir, over the weekend?
00:08:01.900 Steve, I'm on Get Us, my social media platform of choice.
00:08:05.320 Just tap in my surname, Hanwell, and you'll find some pretty provocative posts at the top of my feed waiting for your attention. 0.96
00:08:13.320 Thanks, Steve.
00:08:13.820 God bless.
00:08:15.200 Thank you, sir.
00:08:16.600 Great work.
00:08:18.140 Sophia Georges is with us.
00:08:19.960 I want to pivot now to tell politics, ground game politics, because what's going to happen in New York, you think we got a revolution going on, a color revolution at the ballot box in November.
00:08:33.400 The city of New York is going to put up a mayor of the Global Financial Center, the global capital of the world, New York City, the greatest city in the United States of America, to a combination of Marxist and jihadist.
00:08:45.280 That's who's going to run the government, and they ain't never going to give it up when they get control.
00:08:49.300 And this is brought to you by the elites in New York City, who now are bending the knee to this guy.
00:08:55.080 Sophia Georges came on here months ago, and she said, hey, I'm running for a town council in New Jersey, but I see what's happening, the ground truth, because I have a real estate business.
00:09:08.240 And affordability is key.
00:09:10.320 What did she say?
00:09:11.460 Affordability in housing and the electrical bills.
00:09:14.600 And right now, we have a race in New Jersey, in blue New Jersey, that Scott Presser and others are trying to make into purple New Jersey, where it's basically a dead heat for the governorship.
00:09:26.020 So I got Dave Walsh and Sophia.
00:09:28.200 Sophia, tell us, you called it months and months ago.
00:09:30.760 You said this thing's going to come down to affordability, which is what the Marxist jihadists are using as a cover in New York City.
00:09:38.720 But you said two things, Steve, the affordability crisis in housing and the electrical bills.
00:09:47.680 Why is this race a dead heat right now in New Jersey, ma'am?
00:09:53.420 Yeah, thank you for having me, Steve.
00:09:55.020 Yes, affordability in housing.
00:09:57.160 I saw it coming months ago.
00:09:59.360 People were suffering.
00:10:01.060 I mean, we started seeing a decrease in the qualifications for them to afford a home.
00:10:07.600 I was seeing more and more people in multigenerational households.
00:10:11.920 I was seeing young adults just coming out of school with great paying jobs but still could not afford a home.
00:10:18.020 And now we're seeing families, as I'm knocking on doors here in Franklin Township, Somerset County, who say, hey, I have a modest-sized home and I'm paying $900 a month in utility bills.
00:10:29.400 And this is becoming unsustainable for families.
00:10:32.740 As I knock on doors here in Franklin Township, Steve, it doesn't matter if you're a Republican, an Independent, or a Democrat.
00:10:39.920 People are feeling the pinch of the day-to-day grind of sustaining their household.
00:10:44.280 And now their eyes are wide open.
00:10:48.160 Every year for the last eight years of this Democratic-Murphy administration, they've been taking an inch.
00:10:55.100 And this year they've taken a mile.
00:10:57.340 And I think people are now starting to really pay attention.
00:11:00.420 And I'm seeing it here as a microcosm in my town of what's happening in the state.
00:11:05.000 That is, like you said, translating into the statewide polls that we're seeing now.
00:11:09.820 Sophie, hang on for one second.
00:11:13.240 I want to bring in Dave Walsh.
00:11:14.360 Dave, you have been preaching this for a while, and now I've got an article about Pennsylvania.
00:11:18.280 We've got a huge team up at the Penn State-Oregon game today in Pennsylvania.
00:11:23.040 Real Clear Wire is saying, basically agreeing with you, that the midterm elections in Pennsylvania, they say it's going to come down to the electrical bills.
00:11:32.000 What is going on in New Jersey, in Pennsylvania?
00:11:35.700 Pennsylvania is the Saudi Arabia natural gas.
00:11:38.280 What is the problem in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, everywhere, that these electrical bills are exploding on people?
00:11:45.920 As Sophie had just said, people say, I've got a modest-sized house.
00:11:48.360 I've got $900 a month in utility bills.
00:11:50.880 People can't live like that.
00:11:52.140 You can't afford almost $1,000 a month for utilities.
00:11:55.580 Dave Walsh.
00:11:57.560 Well, Steve, we've had in PJM, which includes Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, other states, Virginia, eastern Ohio, PJM,
00:12:05.840 that grid of the U.S., we have now seven years to eight years of zero baseload construction of power plants, of any new power plants.
00:12:16.100 We've had power plants that matter, ones that run on natural gas or coal.
00:12:21.500 What we have had is the shutdown during that time period of many, many more hundreds of power plants that run on coal, some on oil,
00:12:28.760 along with the non-building of baseload combined cycle plants, and the endeavor to replace that with four-hour-a-day, five-hour-a-day solar, and seven-hour-a-day in some markets, wind.
00:12:40.340 That doesn't work.
00:12:41.440 That creates a massive shortage.
00:12:43.520 In addition to that, just now in the last year and a half, we've had this performative – I call it performative because it hasn't really happened yet – AI boom.
00:12:52.380 AI and server centers are a big deal already – server centers in northern Virginia.
00:12:57.320 AI is announcing a number of projects across PJM where they – some companies are now building their own capacity.
00:13:05.280 Others are stealing capacity, such as Google just bought two dams on the Susquehanna, 700 megawatts worth of hydropower that they're now claiming they're going to be green.
00:13:14.680 But that power's been there in supporting the grid and the average rate payer for 60 years, the 700 megawatts they're acquiring to support another AI facility that they're building.
00:13:25.120 So you've got this nexus of the shortage to begin with of baseload electricity that's caused rates to escalate rapidly along with all the announcements of the build-out of more AI and data centers up there.
00:13:37.760 So you've got a fight between the average rate payer who is compromised by this or Microsoft, Google, Facebook can't afford to pay a lot more and have utilities wait around in the background of gas turbines they've purchased for their use and not the average rate payer.
00:13:55.120 Let me ask you.
00:13:57.100 We've talked about Germany deindustrializing around this bizarre theory of net carbon zero.
00:14:02.020 Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, that part of Virginia.
00:14:06.260 Did that – when you said nothing added to the grid just taken off, for all this whack job stuff on solar, was this the same theory of the case?
00:14:15.020 Are they going – are they really – with everything else going on trying to go to a net carbon zero and the rate payers and the citizens of New Jersey are bearing the brunt of this?
00:14:24.480 Dave, I'll tell you what.
00:14:25.120 Hold the answer.
00:14:26.800 Hang on for a second.
00:14:27.680 We're going to go to break.
00:14:28.540 I don't have enough time for a good answer.
00:14:30.700 We're going to come back to Dave Walsh, Sophia.
00:14:33.880 Sophia, who called this months ago.
00:14:36.440 She said, hey, this is going to come down to affordability.
00:14:40.100 It's going to come down to real estate prices, affordability, housing, and electrical and utilities.
00:14:46.360 And I'm telling you, it's a dead heat in New Jersey.
00:14:49.160 And that is a major, major, major potential pickup for MAGA.
00:14:54.580 Short commercial break.
00:14:55.800 We're going to return to New Jersey in a moment.
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00:16:16.180 Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, and remember, Pennsylvania is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas.
00:16:27.060 Did the officials there and these public utilities, all this, did they do the same thing the German elites did in basically de-industrializing through this bizarro theory of net carbon zero, Dave Walsh?
00:16:38.100 They did exactly the same thing.
00:16:40.760 They've been doing it for about 10 years.
00:16:43.180 PJM has destructed huge amounts of coal and nuclear power, baseload power, shut down plants, shuttered them permanently, and attempted to displace them more recently in the last seven years with solar power that runs only about four and a half hours a day up there in wind power.
00:16:59.140 This doesn't work.
00:17:00.400 This has created a huge net electrification shortage, compounded now by AI coming on stream in the last year and a half with a lot of announcements of wanting to build massive new capacity up there that takes huge amounts of more electrification demand by them off the system.
00:17:17.540 We had nationally, because of all this solar and wind growth, we had only 0.4% growth over the whole six-year period from 2020 to 2025, the whole six-year period, 0.4% growth in national electrification, while demand last year alone grew 2.9%, and now it's forecast to grow 4.5%, 5% over the next 10 years, and we've got a basis of all solar and wind that run part-time now.
00:17:45.440 Yeah, because the AI is going to kick in, and it's going to go back to the average citizen to pay for it with these data centers.
00:17:52.780 Dave, hang on for one second.
00:17:54.900 Sophia, Sophia, you told us four or five months ago this race is going to come down, and the Republicans are going to win because they're going to come down to affordability on housing and the electrical bills.
00:18:05.860 You were talking about the electrical bills when nobody else talked about it, and I said, hey, she's a sweet kid.
00:18:09.920 It's her first time in politics, but it's all coming true.
00:18:13.340 But how do you know that?
00:18:14.780 What are you doing that gives you the ground truth that this is where this New Jersey race is going to come down to, ma'am?
00:18:23.140 All right.
00:18:23.780 Well, I'm getting out there and talking to the people right here in Franklin Township Somerset.
00:18:27.480 I knock on everybody's doors, Steve.
00:18:29.260 I knock on Republicans, Independents, Democrats, and particularly when I knock on the Democrats' doors, the first thing I say to them is, have you checked your property tax bills?
00:18:37.880 They say, yes, I did, and I'm a lifelong Democrat.
00:18:41.040 I voted Democrat.
00:18:42.260 But this year, I am not voting Democrat.
00:18:44.920 And when I hear that, it was a light bulb went off saying, you know, it's all going to come down to affordability.
00:18:51.140 There's two things that's really affected the affordability here in Franklin Township, which is a microcosm, like I said, for the state, what's going on.
00:18:58.360 And that is true, fair, and transparent property tax assessments on the homes, and also these bloated budgets.
00:19:06.840 Right here in Franklin, we saw a 16.6, 16.6% average increase, and that's their numbers.
00:19:13.040 I believe it's even higher in assessments.
00:19:15.860 The year-to-date values of assessments in Franklin Township have only gone up 5.7%, according to the Real Estate Commission.
00:19:24.160 Where is that 16.6% coming from?
00:19:26.440 Well, then that brings us to the budgets.
00:19:28.820 They thought that homeowners would think that the property taxes have gone up because of the crazy real estate market with these home prices.
00:19:35.460 But it's really the budget, Steve.
00:19:37.280 In New Jersey, they've seen a 70% increase in this budget, which I know in the current race is a hot topic that we're going to try to reduce that.
00:19:44.680 Here in Franklin, we have a $73.9 million budget with an almost $20 million cushion.
00:19:51.740 That's almost a 20% difference.
00:19:54.280 And the first thing we need to do is look at where is that money going?
00:19:58.520 There's never been a clear answer.
00:20:00.340 So that's one place that we can attack the budget to help bring relief to some of our homeowners. 0.96
00:20:05.520 And also, these assessments, we need to make sure that they're true, honest, and open because it's not only about our assessments, this crazy real estate market.
00:20:17.520 This is about grabbing money to fund projects such as the Board of Education, which makes up 61% of these property taxes.
00:20:25.080 So there's laws that were in place to cap that value, but they've exceeded it this year.
00:20:31.540 $11 million exceeded in Franklin Township.
00:20:36.380 Sophie, where do they go?
00:20:37.720 I'll have you back on next week because it's a dead heat in New Jersey across the board.
00:20:41.820 Where do people go to get your campaign information and find out more about what's happening in New Jersey?
00:20:46.600 Okay.
00:20:48.280 You can go to ftgop.org to learn all about these hot topics we just talked about and more for the campaign that's going on.
00:20:57.400 You can reach me at my website, realestate.com.
00:21:01.940 All my handles are there.
00:21:03.420 I post things about this, too.
00:21:05.300 I do a lot of social media, so I keep everybody informed.
00:21:09.320 But please pay attention to these local elections.
00:21:12.100 We can only win this if people do come out to vote.
00:21:14.560 We have vote-by-mail going on right now.
00:21:16.840 Early voting starts October the 25th.
00:21:20.020 Of course, Election Day is November 4th.
00:21:22.360 But we need people to come out.
00:21:24.260 We need our independents.
00:21:25.600 We need our Democrats and, of course, our Republicans to all come out because I think these issues are a common concern.
00:21:34.420 And I think people will come out in the droves and finally vote for us to make changes.
00:21:42.100 Thank you, ma'am.
00:21:42.380 Dave, about these electrical issues, I know you're putting up stuff on Dave Walsh Energy.
00:21:48.140 Where do people go?
00:21:50.660 Well, I'm on the True Social X and Getter on the topic.
00:21:54.020 I've been speaking around Florida on this topic.
00:21:56.120 I've met 17 Republican groups talking about the issues with this, people paying rabid attention to it, very, very animated in their disgust for this happening here as well.
00:22:07.940 The same devotion to solar power over baseload conventional gas power is ruining electricity costs here in Maryland, in New Jersey.
00:22:17.000 Ten years' worth of these policies by the Democrats up there have not worked.
00:22:20.560 And President Trump couldn't be more adamant that he doesn't support any of this, and it's outrageous.
00:22:26.200 One more time.
00:22:26.940 Where do they go?
00:22:27.600 Where's Dave Walsh Energy?
00:22:28.620 Where do we get it?
00:22:30.440 On Getter, True Social, and X, Steve.
00:22:33.740 Dave Walsh Energy.
00:22:34.900 Thank you.
00:22:36.020 Thank you, brother.
00:22:38.160 Affordability, New Jersey.
00:22:40.380 Today, by the way, the brave folks in California will have more of this Monday and Tuesday.
00:22:44.840 They're canvassing today.
00:22:47.020 This redistricting is in the balance.
00:22:49.460 Charlie Munger's son's putting in $40 or $50 million.
00:22:51.940 I'm telling you, I think the polling show is at 51% right now, which is not where the Democrats need to be.
00:22:56.960 That's going to be a brawl out there. 0.99
00:22:59.880 You're seeing a brawl in New Jersey.
00:23:01.260 So there's a lot of life in this affordability issue, which they're using it falsely in New York for Marxist jihadists to steal that city is real. 0.58
00:23:11.780 And it's going to be a huge thing in the midterms.
00:23:15.400 Josh Pettit, we got you up here, brother.
00:23:18.900 Quickly, I wanted to have more time, but we don't have it.
00:23:20.740 President Trump went to Bethpage yesterday, absolutely had the time of his life.
00:23:26.220 Just talk to us about the reason it's important is that course is open to the public.
00:23:30.100 What does that mean, and why is this course so revered, sir?
00:23:36.500 Yeah, Steve, very quickly, let me connect some dots and point out the importance of why, of how important it was that President Trump attended the Ryder Cup yesterday.
00:23:45.300 I have my weekend edition of your beloved FT, and just below the Comey story, the headline,
00:23:51.880 first U.S. president to attend the Ryder Cup in nearly 100-year history.
00:23:57.040 And I think for President Trump, this was very much a full-circle moment, having been exiled from the world of golf, which he committed so much of his life to and loved so dearly.
00:24:05.280 The Ryder Cup is one of the biggest events in all of golf and all of sport, really, and it's managed by the PGA of America.
00:24:13.440 And the PGA of America is the same body that contracted with the Trump Organization to host what would have been the 2022 PGA Championship at his course at Bedminster.
00:24:21.640 And that was pulled after the stolen election in January 6th.
00:24:26.980 So for him to return, it was like, you know, and he had his event from Doral pulled from the BGA Tour.
00:24:34.560 And as we've talked about Turnberry, that venue has been pulled from the Open Rota.
00:24:39.800 So he was very much persona non grata in the world of golf.
00:24:44.140 And to come in yesterday, like Charlemagne, I think it was a very special moment for him.
00:24:49.220 And to do it in his own backyard in New York at the People's Golf Course.
00:24:53.560 Bethpage Black has this great history.
00:24:55.840 It was built in the mid-30s.
00:24:57.100 It was a WPA project.
00:24:58.820 It's always been a public – it's a public state park, actually, run by the Long Island Parks Commission.
00:25:04.120 And there's five golf courses there, but the black is, like, the toughest. 1.00
00:25:09.240 It's, you know, it's like they call it a man-killer golf course.
00:25:14.200 It has this reputation of being one of the most brutally difficult golf courses in the entire world.
00:25:20.540 And, you know, to get into golf course architecture, it's very much of the penal school of design as opposed to, like, heroic or strategic.
00:25:29.880 And this golf course is absolutely brutal, but people love it.
00:25:32.660 They love going there and getting absolutely destroyed by this golf course.
00:25:36.480 They line up at 2 o'clock in the morning to play there.
00:25:40.380 And it's very much, you know, it's where the, you know, just your local everyday Joe can go out and play one of the world's all-time greatest golf courses,
00:25:50.540 designed by a great architect, A.W. Tillinghast, in the 1930s.
00:25:55.080 By the way, your assessment, President Trump, Doral, the blue monster, pulled from the PGA Tour.
00:26:04.180 Bedminster taking away a PGA Championship.
00:26:07.060 The Turnberry, Turnberry, Turnberry taken out of the Open Rota.
00:26:11.740 President Trump, really, a big part of his life is supporting golf.
00:26:15.400 And now you're absolutely correct.
00:26:16.760 First time the Financial Times of London has it.
00:26:18.720 The first time in over 100 years, a president showing up at the Ryder Cup.
00:26:23.380 Josh, I know you're covering this nonstop.
00:26:25.140 What's your social media?
00:26:26.020 We'll have you on Monday for a wrap-up of the Ryder and President Trump's participation.
00:26:30.340 Where do people go over the weekend, sir?
00:26:33.460 And the crowd loved him.
00:26:35.340 He got a great reception.
00:26:36.680 The governor got booed.
00:26:38.000 And everyone loved Trump being there.
00:26:39.580 The players loved him.
00:26:40.520 But it had to have been a very special moment for him to be there with his granddaughter in his home state of New York.
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00:26:50.160 You can find our social media there on X and Instagram.
00:26:52.960 Thank you, Steve.
00:26:53.600 Appreciate it.
00:26:54.540 And show you Josh has got rain.
00:26:57.520 She's given props to Tillinghast. 1.00
00:27:00.660 Thank you, sir.
00:27:01.260 We'll see you on Monday to do a summary of all this.
00:27:03.220 You nailed it with President Trump.
00:27:04.560 And by the way, I said yesterday, you could tell the joy he had having his granddaughter made the team at the University of Miami.
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00:29:57.400 Philip, the question, I've got a lot to talk about.
00:29:59.660 The rate cut, the rate cut, the geopolitics of what's happening right now, not just simply in Gaza and the South China Sea, but really this situation with Russia and in the Ukraine.
00:30:12.080 This article the other day that the Financial Times London had said that we are now globally at $338 trillion of debt.
00:30:20.280 But I want to start with just a basic question people ask me all the time.
00:30:26.340 How did gold get to – every day we're reaching a new high and it backs off a little bit.
00:30:31.420 Then we go back to a new high.
00:30:33.180 How did we get here in a situation where gold goes from, I don't know, $1,100 a couple of years ago when we started this partnership of trying to explain to people about gold as a hedge?
00:30:44.520 How did it get to $3,800 and what are the top financiers in the world seeing that's driving gold almost sometimes like a stock, which is not traditionally how it moves?
00:30:59.000 Can you walk us through that?
00:31:01.320 Yeah.
00:31:01.700 Look, this isn't a new thing.
00:31:04.140 Obviously, what we've been seeing since 2008, since 2020 has been unprecedented in terms of gold's movement.
00:31:10.820 But it started really growing at the turn of the century.
00:31:14.580 Gold, since January 1st, year 2000, has more than doubled the growth of the Dow and the S&P.
00:31:21.440 And what's interesting is what changed at the turn of the century.
00:31:24.540 It's when we started to massively increase the money supply.
00:31:28.620 So surprise, surprise, there is a direct correlation between growth in debt, the money supply, and growth in gold.
00:31:35.780 Look at what the Biden administration did, $8 trillion of liquidity pumped through the markets in four years.
00:31:43.080 It's no surprise gold is moving at the level that it is.
00:31:47.260 Now factor in $2 trillion deficits that were inherited from the Biden administration.
00:31:52.900 We're looking fiscally unsound, and creditors are demanding more interest to lend us money, and they're looking for alternatives outside of the U.S. dollar.
00:32:06.140 Gold is now becoming, slowly, the favoured central bank reserve asset.
00:32:12.380 I've mentioned before, it overtook the euro last year.
00:32:15.880 It's now a larger share of global reserves than U.S. government debt.
00:32:20.640 I think that trend will continue, and it'll support gold's price movement upwards.
00:32:26.500 Ultimately, the biggest driver of all is all-time high demand, and it's central banks driving that demand for different reasons, right?
00:32:35.260 It's dollar devaluation, but it's also predominantly Biden's weaponization of the dollar back in 2022.
00:32:42.700 It made a lot of countries around the world start thinking, this isn't a safe place to hold on to our wealth.
00:32:49.120 And gold's benefiting from that upside.
00:32:53.580 Okay.
00:32:56.080 Yesterday, on Friday, we found out, or I think it might have been Thursday night, that the Germans are now in on the $350 billion of dollar-denominated assets that have been seized by the West.
00:33:10.600 And now they're actually thinking of monetizing those or taking those, essentially stealing them from the Russian people, and use it to finance the Europeans' commitments to support the Ukraine war.
00:33:24.420 I want to go back and make sure people understand this.
00:33:27.140 When you said the central bank reserves have either been euros or U.S. dollars, essentially, right?
00:33:32.600 And now gold is really taking the place of certain fiat currencies.
00:33:37.960 Folks, this is something you must understand because this is central to your financial security going forward, the dollar itself, and also the gold as a hedge.
00:33:50.560 Because right now, the central banks of the world are telling you, because all this stuff going on, geopolitics, what's happening with actually the weaponization of currencies and taking people's assets, we like gold, right?
00:34:07.340 Is that the big shift you've seen happening now that they're actually the central banks who a lot of people like you and I as investment bankers, I remember I was trained at Harvard Business School in globalization and then went to work for Goldman Sachs.
00:34:23.420 People that were like Ron Paul, people that were gold bugs were looked at as kind of wingnuts, right, back in the 80s, in the 90s, right?
00:34:34.100 And even Nixon and those guys thought so.
00:34:35.980 That's why they got us off the gold standard.
00:34:37.400 It was looked at as almost archaic.
00:34:40.360 That is show change.
00:34:41.760 And, folks, you've got to understand the smartest people in finance right now, this is why Ray Dalio came out the other day and said it, that now the central banks are looking this as almost the reserve currency.
00:34:52.620 Are they not, sir?
00:34:55.100 Absolutely, yes.
00:34:56.320 It's so clear.
00:34:57.340 I mentioned before on the show, Taleb, Nicholas Taleb, the author of Black Swan on Bloomberg, said it.
00:35:03.400 He said the dollar is losing global reserve currency status.
00:35:07.180 And it is clear to see 73% of central banks that were surveyed said over the next five years they were looking at massively increasing gold holdings and reducing U.S. dollar holdings.
00:35:21.320 This is out there and it is public.
00:35:23.540 You mentioned weaponization.
00:35:25.720 Look, there's morality, right?
00:35:28.360 And I'm not touching on the morality of sanctions, right?
00:35:31.500 That's a whole different ballgame.
00:35:33.380 But think about the precedent we are setting, right?
00:35:37.060 By seizing Russia's assets, we told any nation around the world, if you make a decision that we morally object to, your assets can become liabilities. 0.82
00:35:47.580 That's not a business plan or a good business plan moving forward if you're looking to attract, you know, if you're looking for people to hold your currency.
00:35:56.860 Listen, we've got half the world that don't see things in the way that we do in the West.
00:36:02.660 They're now starting to look for alternatives.
00:36:05.020 And I think that's a train that we cannot stop.
00:36:07.860 By the way, gold historically has been a much larger share of central banks' reserves.
00:36:13.660 This shift towards the dollar has really been happening since the 80s.
00:36:18.020 This is a reversion back now to larger gold holdings by central banks.
00:36:22.800 And I don't think we're going to be able to stop it.
00:36:25.220 I really don't.
00:36:28.220 So it was Keynes that called it.
00:36:30.480 Didn't Keynes call it an archaic relic or something from times gone by, from ancient times?
00:36:36.100 Didn't he mock it that way?
00:36:37.200 Yeah, and honestly, I thought it was a relic myself.
00:36:42.060 At the turn of the century, I'm looking back at 100 years of performance.
00:36:46.020 And I'm saying this thing doesn't grow now in the era of money printing, quantitative easing.
00:36:54.220 You know, it's so clear I was wrong.
00:36:58.800 Look at what central banks are turning to now.
00:37:01.340 They are turning to gold, which is an age-old hedge-on currency.
00:37:06.520 See, it's where we're reverting to.
00:37:09.160 So, yes, I was one of those people as well.
00:37:11.740 And I was wrong.
00:37:12.900 And I am seeing it over and over again every day now with all-time highs.
00:37:17.720 And I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon.
00:37:20.660 Lula, who turns out to be very charming, and people should know that, very charming, he's going to meet with the president this week.
00:37:28.360 Now, I believe it actually may be by teleconference or Zoom or something like that, but it may actually be a bilat in the White House given their brief meeting at the UN.
00:37:39.500 And Lula, because Brazil always goes first by tradition and custom, before the president came up, he essentially ripped the United States on everything without naming the president's name.
00:37:52.520 The president is getting briefed by a number of people, some of those very close to the war room this weekend.
00:37:58.380 Philip Patrick, we're going to throw your notes in there too.
00:38:01.340 If you had a chance to directly talk to the president about Lula, his involvement in the BRICS nations, and what the BRICS nations are thinking of, because you would be the only person briefing the president that was actually at the Rio reset.
00:38:15.720 What would you tell him, sir?
00:38:19.440 Look, I want some time to put some notes together for sure.
00:38:24.740 Look, it ties in to what we said.
00:38:27.760 I think we need to handle this situation with care.
00:38:31.480 I am no fan of President Lula, absolutely not.
00:38:35.040 But you heard, Lula came out with fighting words.
00:38:39.400 I think there's an opportunity here for President Trump to build some bridges, to use carrots over sticks, and to try and pull Brazil towards us and away from China.
00:38:53.100 Look, the one thing I heard when I was out in Brazil, hey, the Chinese are here.
00:38:58.160 The New Development Bank are here.
00:38:59.900 They're offering us no strings attached.
00:39:02.360 You know, it's not that easy dealing with the West. 0.96
00:39:05.260 So I think we need to start incentivizing these nations.
00:39:08.540 I think Brazil is a good place to start.
00:39:11.440 Without Lula, you know, I don't think Brazil are heavily involved in the BRICS, certainly not with Bolsonaro at the head.
00:39:18.440 So we need to bring Lula on side.
00:39:20.680 And like I said, I think carrots, not sticks, will be the way to do it.
00:39:25.220 Let's not threaten sanctions.
00:39:26.860 Let's talk cooperation.
00:39:28.720 That's the strategy China have been using to good effect with Brazil.
00:39:32.700 And I think we could take a leaf out of their book in that respect.
00:39:35.940 So that would be my recommendation.
00:39:40.120 I find that fascinating.
00:39:41.720 Walk me through that one more time because, you know, hey, in the war room, we always want to drop the hammer.
00:39:46.820 You're saying you believe maybe the hammer's been dropped one time too many.
00:39:50.160 And this BRICS thing's real. 0.96
00:39:51.980 People have to understand this is kind of an organization now, what we call the Global South,
00:39:56.800 although obviously it carries a lot of weight north of the equator.
00:40:01.900 But you're almost implying to me, Philip, that this alignment, the BRICS nations, is something you've got to be very careful screwing with because they've got a ton.
00:40:12.300 First of all, they have all the natural resources on Earth virtually, right?
00:40:15.940 And they're not particularly pro-Western, sir.
00:40:20.760 Yeah, look, we saw it when we went there, right?
00:40:24.200 President Trump, you know, he knows how to drop the hammer.
00:40:27.520 That's one thing he's very good at.
00:40:29.680 We saw it, though, you know, in Brazil when we were at the meeting.
00:40:33.460 President Trump came out and threatened the BRICS.
00:40:35.600 He said 10% tariff for anyone that pursues de-dollarization and then a 50% on Brazil.
00:40:41.360 But you heard Lula come out.
00:40:43.280 His response was certain.
00:40:45.100 Up until that point, they'd never talked about de-dollarization.
00:40:48.620 They talked about cooperation, but it was never anti-US.
00:40:52.780 That response sparked Lula.
00:40:54.740 And he came out and he said, listen, we're sovereign nations.
00:40:58.100 We don't want an emperor.
00:40:59.880 We're going to continue to de-dollarize piece by piece until it's consolidated.
00:41:04.300 So, you know, the hammer ultimately just fueled the fire.
00:41:09.160 I think there's a real opportunity here for President Trump to bring Lula a little bit
00:41:13.500 closer and get what we need out of them.
00:41:16.380 We've got to break this relationship down with China and Brazil, put some sort of blocks 0.99
00:41:22.400 in the BRICS, if you will.
00:41:23.960 And I think President Trump has an opportunity to do that.
00:41:26.760 He's ultimately an expert negotiator, and I think he'll get what he wants out of this.
00:41:32.180 Let's use carrots a little bit more than sticks in this situation, and I think we'll get
00:41:37.760 better results.
00:41:40.840 Philip, if you can hang on, I want to hold you into the D-block.
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00:42:03.120 This will get you up to speed on everything about the nomenclature, the process.
00:42:07.040 And remember, our watchword here, when we put this together, I think four years ago, was
00:42:13.800 that too many people come on, oh, just buy gold, buy gold, buy gold.
00:42:17.840 Here's the price.
00:42:19.040 It's very important that you understand the process, not the price, which you can get
00:42:23.880 a quote every day, but the process that drives the value of gold.
00:42:27.920 Once you understand that, so much in your life regarding your own personal finances,
00:42:34.020 your community's finances, your families, and your countries will start to become clear.
00:42:38.400 And so that's why we took a lot of time.
00:42:39.740 In fact, now, I'm really proud of Philip and his team working with us that some finance
00:42:44.940 courses in college, college-level finance courses are actually starting to use this
00:42:50.020 as kind of a primer so people can get access and understand kind of the nomenclature.
00:42:55.400 Also, Philip and the team have a great guide to investing in gold and precious metals right
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00:44:42.100 Philip, before I let you go, I want people to figure out how to work with you directly.
00:44:55.520 But I want to just talk one more topic.
00:44:57.820 The Financial Times, like I said, had this piece out, this article out, had this analysis that for the first time in history, most debt ever, $338 trillion.
00:45:06.420 When you add up everything from municipalities, cities, state governments, local governments, international governments, corporate bonds, private debt, all of $338 trillion.
00:45:17.520 Ray Dalio is now picking up the mantra of the war room that we're concerned about the world's largest margin call.
00:45:26.500 What are your thoughts on this?
00:45:27.980 And what happens, particularly in something like a hedge, which gold has been by now, the central banks, if we do have –
00:45:35.300 Right now, with the situation geopolitically, I just keep telling people, I said, hey, until we solve this geopolitical situation in Ukraine, in that part of Eurasia, and down in the Middle East, we are getting sucked in every day more and more to the kinetic part of the Third World War.
00:45:52.140 What are your concerns about this, sir?
00:45:54.860 Look, I mean, debt is the problem of the West today.
00:45:59.600 And I think the world's largest margin call means a lot of lenders are going to take a haircut.
00:46:06.580 And I think, quite honestly, central banks around the world, they see the writing on the wall.
00:46:13.440 They understand the history of currency very well, better than most.
00:46:19.080 And it's exactly why, partially, central banks are buying gold again in record levels.
00:46:26.780 There is no counterparty risk.
00:46:28.580 They're the ones who print currency.
00:46:31.580 They know what it's worth.
00:46:33.420 And I think, ultimately, the OECD report is just a very, very strong argument for gold.
00:46:39.080 But, you know, this isn't just a domestic problem in the United States.
00:46:42.620 This is a problem that the West has broadly.
00:46:45.940 And I don't think it bodes well longer term.
00:46:49.000 All of this, you know, everything we're talking about, we're talking about interest rate cuts, but debt service going up.
00:46:55.240 We're talking about the bricks running away from the dollar.
00:46:58.320 All of this is in the context of a $37 trillion debt pile domestically in the United States, $330 trillion of debt around the world.
00:47:07.880 It is a massive problem.
00:47:10.180 We are leading the way when it comes to debt.
00:47:12.460 And I think being the world's largest economy, the greatest economy, we have the most to lose from this.
00:47:18.600 So I'm getting concerned, to say the least.
00:47:21.940 But I'm buying gold at current level.
00:47:24.220 Yeah, and this is what concerns me.
00:47:28.100 We can't even have an adult conversation about this budget, which we're still working off Pelosi and Biden's numbers.
00:47:34.220 They still don't have appropriations.
00:47:36.180 And when Russ Vogt sets the trap for him, if they're going to shut down the government, he's going to have massive layoffs, which would cut costs and cut spending.
00:47:43.260 They freak out.
00:47:44.300 And if they capitulate, it'll be on this one topic.
00:47:46.600 So it shows you that we've got such a long way to go in this country until we start dealing with the underlying fiscal and monetary issues.
00:47:54.780 That's why I think now more than ever, you need to think about gold.
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00:48:40.340 Last question.
00:48:44.040 As you look forward, rate cuts coming in the future, do you think the Fed is going to hit us with two more 25 basis points cuts before the end of the year?
00:48:57.920 Yeah, I think they absolutely will.
00:49:00.780 Let's see what happens, though.
00:49:02.280 We need them to start lowering debt service to ease some pressure on President Trump.
00:49:07.560 And in order to do that, we're going to have to get our fiscal house in order, at least show the world that we're taking steps to do it.
00:49:14.620 And I think President Trump is doing a very good job, but it is a very difficult job.
00:49:21.120 So we need to give him time.
00:49:23.080 And in the meantime, I think we need to edge ourselves.
00:49:25.680 I want to thank you, sir, Philip Patrick.
00:49:31.320 I want to thank you for the audience.
00:49:32.480 People love working with you guys, and it's been quite a run.
00:49:35.700 But I think the takeaway, folks, is that we're giving you an insight, and Philip Patrick is giving you insight.
00:49:41.180 You're not getting from a lot of other people.
00:49:42.720 Before it was euro dollars and dollars that were kind of the reserves of these banks, that is going through a radical transformation.
00:49:50.560 And they're going back and really what Philip's saying is kind of reverting back to the beginning of the Bank of England and the central banks back to the late 19th century and early 20th century when gold was a much higher part of their reserves than it got to be in the latter part of the 20th century.
00:50:10.780 That's reversed, and that reversion means that gold's got a substrate in it and is now being looked at as kind of, I think, eventually, maybe the world's reserve currency, the rate we're going.
00:50:24.700 Philip Patrick, once again, where do people go to get you?
00:50:27.720 Very simple, birchgold.com forward slash Bannon.
00:50:31.660 Get the information, and they can reach me at philippatrickongetta.
00:50:36.480 So birchgold.com forward slash Bannon, at philippatrickongetta.
00:50:42.480 Yeah.
00:50:43.540 Make sure they get so many different methodologies, how you can get into gold, IRAs, 401ks, tax-deferred, tax-free, all of it.
00:50:50.940 Go check it out today.
00:50:51.640 Philip Patrick, thank you for taking time on your Saturday to join us, sir.
00:50:55.140 Appreciate you.
00:50:56.360 Thank you.
00:50:57.000 There are, what, decades in which nothing happens, and then weeks in which decades happen, because we keep telling you, we're having week after week after week after week of this.
00:51:13.040 Just absolutely incredible, just what's going on.
00:51:15.640 I want to thank everybody on our production team here, Wayne Allen Root.
00:51:22.320 On Saturday, Wayne Allen Root follows us during the work day.
00:51:27.200 It's the Charlie Kirk show, but on Saturday is Wayne Allen Root.
00:51:29.880 Make sure you stick around for that.
00:51:31.000 Keep it right here at Real America's Voice all weekend.
00:51:35.620 And you can check me out on Getter.
00:51:37.040 I'll be posting updates on everything that's going on.
00:51:40.820 And, folks, there's so much going on.
00:51:42.460 So make sure you go to my Getter account over at Getter.
00:51:46.040 I want to thank you.
00:51:46.680 We're going to leave you with the right stuff, a way to kind of kick you off into the afternoon of a Saturday on Ryder Cup weekend here in the United States.
00:51:57.140 See you back here Monday, 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, when you will be back in the war room.
00:52:12.460 We'll be right back.
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