Bannon's War Room - Episode 4823： Where To Turn Following ACIP's Vaccine Recommendations; War With The Cartel

00:00:00.000 press vote and Donald Trump are in the kitchen with the active ingredients in deciding what to

00:00:04.260 slice and dice here. And those two men are here meeting this afternoon to go through potential

00:00:09.380 firings across agencies and potential cuts of projects. He's threatened 16 Democratic states,

00:00:14.800 their green energy projects. He's threatened the tunnel that is being constructed here in New York,

00:00:20.280 subway transformation project. So there's a lot on the line. And frankly, until the government

00:00:25.680 has reopened, the Office of Personnel Management, they sent out to agencies stating very specifically

00:00:31.800 that the OMB director is the one who is empowered to determine which federal workers are accepted

00:00:37.720 and able to work. And right now they are making the case, the OMB director, that those who would

00:00:43.860 be processing the firings are crucial workers and workers that should continue to work.

00:00:48.360 And Russ Vogue has been dreaming about this since puberty, according to Utah Senator. Strange,

00:00:54.240 strange way to put it. But I guess that that underscores how much he wants to slash the

00:00:59.160 government. Explain exactly what this executive order will do. Yeah, Katie, it's got a lot of

00:01:05.920 people freaked out. It's a national security presidential memorandum. So it's going by

00:01:10.500 NSPM dash seven for short, if you want to Google it. And what it does, it's an attempt by Donald Trump

00:01:17.800 to steer the law enforcement apparatus of the United States in the direction of what he calls domestic

00:01:23.420 terrorism and political violence. Now, it's important to say, Katie, that this doesn't create

00:01:28.480 any new laws or any new surveillance authorities for the FBI. They still have to follow the same

00:01:34.180 rules they did before. But what it says is it's making a priority to investigate groups that Donald

00:01:41.480 Trump says are leading to domestic terrorism. And that has got a lot of people freaked out.

00:01:47.760 And one former DHS official, Miles Taylor, said that he believes that this will allow the Trump

00:01:54.740 administration to more easily put people on terror watch lists who previously were not eligible for

00:01:59.860 terror watch lists. And you get on a terror watch list, that can be a big problem for in a lot of

00:02:04.200 ways. And opening a criminal investigation into someone, even if they're never prosecuted,

00:02:09.620 can be a big problem. Or into groups like the Soros Foundation or groups that the Trump

00:02:14.840 administration thinks are supporting left wing organizations that they don't like. And so

00:02:19.040 that's the concern here. It's got law firms paying close attention. It's got NGOs and groups paying

00:02:26.920 close attention and journalists. How it's actually enforced and what impacts it will have remains to

00:02:33.940 be seen. But it is a major shift by the Trump administration. And it's it tasks things like

00:02:38.940 the joint terrorism task forces all around the country to be looking at these specific targets.

00:02:44.640 What are the categories? I don't have it in front of me, but it's it's essentially it's designed

00:02:51.080 it's groups that they believe are are fomenting political violence or

00:02:56.860 yeah. So I'm sorry. I don't I don't have the list in front of me, but that is the kind of a you know,

00:03:05.420 and Stephen Miller has made a big deal of saying in the wake of some of these incidents that he

00:03:10.000 believes that there is a let there are left wing movements. There are these groups behind some of

00:03:15.640 these people. And of course, that has not there's no evidence to support any kind of organized leftist

00:03:21.300 terrorist structure in the United States. And the FBI still has to follow the same rules when

00:03:26.300 they're opening criminal investigations. But that's what this is all about. You see the polling

00:03:30.260 numbers. It doesn't make sense why they would so openly celebrate mass firings. At the same time,

00:03:35.960 people like Russ Vogt, I don't know if he's been doing it since puberty, had this vision. But

00:03:39.860 at the same time, they've seen Donald Trump as a vessel. This is what their vision of the American

00:03:45.260 government wants to make the government in this 2025 and 2026 is their moment, right? Forget what

00:03:51.740 happens next November. This is their window of opportunity the next year, next 13 months to go

00:03:58.020 and reshape the American government. I was told back during the transition, Russ Vogt, he wasn't clear

00:04:03.820 whether he was going to be onboarded, but Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk were big proponents because they saw

00:04:08.940 him as the portal to being able to actually execute the budgetary means to go and do what they

00:04:15.120 knew that they would not be able to do independently through Doge. They're no longer

00:04:18.780 around. Russ Vogt is and he is the man who is carrying out this vision of the Heritage Foundation,

00:04:24.080 the Center for Renewing America, all of these different right-wing groups. This is their moment.

00:04:31.420 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:04:39.800 these people. The reason I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people

00:04:46.240 have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in

00:04:50.280 the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people

00:04:53.740 like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people

00:05:01.560 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my

00:05:09.500 country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:05:22.000 It's Thursday, 2 October in the year of our Lord, 2025. Vaughn here gives a very good, I think,

00:05:28.680 summary of what's going on right now. Russ's vote is clearly in the line of Project 2025 and CRA,

00:05:35.140 all the groups that work together for the deconstruction of the administrative state,

00:05:38.780 is, I believe, over in briefing the president. And I think that we're going to have some clarity,

00:05:44.640 clarity and focus on exactly what they're going to talk about these rifts. And we'll get this to

00:05:48.900 you as soon as we know more. But it's a very big and aggressive plan. Also, just some updates on the,

00:05:54.720 this morning about the situation at TSA with Quiet Skies, with Gina, Dr. Gina Loudon that we talked

00:06:02.880 about, Tulsi Gabbard also got wrapped up. And I think the TSA official that was in back there got

00:06:07.720 fired. I will double check that. Also, Julie Kelly's been focused, the Eastern District of what, 0.89

00:06:13.500 Virginia, and with Lisa Monica is another big breaking story of that. We'll get to all that.

00:06:18.660 We're going to have Russ Ibbotson, if he can work at the technology, the U.S. editor of the Daily Mail,

00:06:23.780 their lead story, is about a briefing on Capitol Hill yesterday by senior-level Trump officials,

00:06:29.880 including the Department of War, talking about, and it sounded like kind of the type of briefing

00:06:35.280 you want to do when you don't want to have the War Powers Act enacted on you, but about

00:06:39.020 kinetic conflict with the cartels. We're going to get to all that. Russ is going to try to join us,

00:06:45.140 Philip Patrick here. We're pretty jammed. I'll ask Megan Messerly from Politico to come on. Megan,

00:06:51.720 Jessica, you first were hired by Politico as the national health reporter, and then you segued

00:06:57.400 over. You covered the White House today, correct? That is correct.

00:07:02.880 Okay, so this is what I want you on. You've got to make this, try to make this make sense for us,

00:07:08.320 because I think we're suffering from whiplash now of what's going on about vaccines, autism.

00:07:13.760 So as you know, the Warren Posse, 3,500 people volunteered to go through the Pfizer papers

00:07:18.480 over the years, big Maha, Make America Healthy Again audience, very pro-Bobby Kennedy, really

00:07:24.200 worked on the Bobby Kennedy confirmation. Then Bobby gets in there, and then a couple weeks ago,

00:07:29.440 four or five weeks ago, we have the announcement that the $500 million in mRNA vaccine research is

00:07:36.460 cut off. Then you have the ACIP. I think ACIP happened before that. ACIP is, they're fired,

00:07:43.440 and Dr. Malone is put in charge of it. Then you have, you have the round, you have the round table

00:07:49.900 that happened down at CDC, talking about, I guess, the child, the damage done by the COVID vaccine.

00:08:00.420 We've had one series of events, and then President Trump, this historic, I guess Tuesday, a week ago now,

00:08:07.740 comes into the Roosevelt Room, and actually out Bobby Kennedy's Bobby Kennedy, and we think it's going to be

00:08:13.240 kind of almost a bait and switch, because they're talking about Tylenol, and we're talking about the whole

00:08:18.200 autism thing, and he actually says he's staking his presidency. With everything he's doing, he's staking his

00:08:23.540 presidency as a success of whether he kind of solves this autism situation. I think everybody's sitting there

00:08:29.340 going, this is incredible. I mean, he goes next level. And then yesterday, we have, which is kind of the

00:08:35.980 great Satan here for the four-room audience. Pfizer's in the Oval, and the next thing you know,

00:08:42.240 I think we're approving mRNA research, and Pfizer's getting, they're cutting some drug prices, but

00:08:47.480 they're honored in the Oval Office as a conquering hero. Can you just make it make sense for us?

00:08:53.000 What exactly, because it looks like at certain times, Bobby Kennedy and HHS is getting tremendous air

00:08:58.400 cover from the White House, and at other times, it looks like we're going back and working with big

00:09:03.740 pharma, like there's no harm, no foul. So can you just walk us through what you see covering your day

00:09:09.000 to day as what's going on? Absolutely. No, and I think that's such an interesting dynamic as you broke

00:09:15.900 it down there, because we really have seen the president at times take these maybe seemingly

00:09:22.420 contradictory approaches when it comes to vaccines. Obviously, he was the one who was pushing

00:09:29.080 Operation Warp Speed, you know, developing the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, and yet we saw him in the

00:09:36.740 Oval last week come out very forcefully in a way that I know surprised me. I think it surprised you.

00:09:43.080 It surprised a lot of folks in the Maha movement who are just not expecting the president to go there.

00:09:49.180 You know, of course, the president sort of has these longstanding, you know, skeptical views of

00:09:54.320 vaccines that he's expressed in the past. So it wasn't wholly, I think, unusual to see him come

00:09:59.920 out and say those things in the Oval Office. But to your point of really, he out, Bobby Kennedy,

00:10:05.940 Bobby Kennedy, because, you know, you have Bobby Kennedy in there in the Oval saying, you know, hey,

00:10:11.720 you know, we think there might be some concerns with Tylenol, you know, pregnant women should not be 1.00

00:10:17.740 taking it because, you know, we have concerns this leads to autism spectrum disorder. And then you have

00:10:22.880 Trump going in there and just saying, you know, I think the shot should be broken up. I don't think

00:10:29.020 you should take the hep B vaccine until 12. I mean, these are not things that even Bobby,

00:10:34.040 Bobby Kennedy. No, no, no, no, no. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on,

00:10:37.960 no, no, hang on. He says, and very endearing. He says, you got the little baby sitting there and

00:10:42.960 you have a vat. He called it a vat. He's a very visceral, visceral, yeah, very visceral imagery. I mean,

00:10:49.900 the president loves an image, right? The image of like the baby being pumped full of vaccines. He

00:10:55.000 also likes talking about the horse shots, right? It's all this very visceral imagery. And this is

00:11:00.020 something the president has talked about for a long time, right? So no surprise in one sense that

00:11:04.680 he's talking in these visceral terms. But you have to remember that Bobby Kennedy's own, you know,

00:11:10.940 panel of picked vaccine advisors, like you mentioned with Dr. Malone on it, did not even vote to make

00:11:18.140 these recommendations that the president was making. So in some ways expected, in some ways

00:11:22.420 out of left field, but I think sort of scores with the president's, you know, own belief about

00:11:26.740 vaccines, which is that, you know, he said that he likes vaccines. He has concerns about them being

00:11:33.500 administered all at once, about babies receiving so many shots all at once. So I think in my mind,

00:11:39.540 I sort of see it as a breakdown between the timing of the shots versus the shots himself. And then also,

00:11:45.860 I think the president's concerned about the freedom of parents to make their own decisions

00:11:49.440 about the timing of those shots.

00:11:53.340 What do you, where do you think we stand right now then with the policy rollout of what we can

00:11:59.540 anticipate? Because the president said, I think three or four times on that, in that meeting,

00:12:04.220 he's essentially staking his, so personal to him from friends he knows, et cetera, they staking

00:12:09.500 his presidency on the successful outcome of understanding of autism and vaccines and maybe

00:12:15.540 getting the schedule right, but doing it correctly. That is about as high a stakes as you can get

00:12:20.080 coming from President Trump. So where do you think we stand in this whole thing?

00:12:24.240 Yeah, there's, I mean, I think there's a couple really interesting sort of touch points that I'm

00:12:28.660 keeping an eye on, you know, right now. We're, we're at this moment where we're waiting to see

00:12:34.260 actually what Bobby Kennedy and what his acting CDC director, Jim O'Neill, what they do with those

00:12:42.360 ASIP recommendations. Of course, they don't actually have to follow them. There's not a

00:12:47.120 ton of precedent, though there is precedent for the CDC director to make sort of a different

00:12:51.940 decision than ASIP recommends. So, so now that President Trump has given this air cover, you

00:12:57.740 know, they, they very well could go in and make recommendations beyond what ASIP said. So that's

00:13:02.600 one big thing we're watching for. And the second is to see what happens with this vaccine injury

00:13:06.820 compensation program, which is going to be a key thing, I think, for a lot of folks in the Maha movement.

00:13:12.740 Is that, is the report scheduled to, it hasn't come out, the big autism report was supposed to be

00:13:18.580 the 28th, but I think that's still, that's been delayed, correct? That's correct. Yep. We had this

00:13:23.760 one Tylenol announcement. We expected maybe that we would get more by the end of September, but,

00:13:29.820 but now we're waiting to see more to come out of HHS. We did not get that official report by the end of

00:13:35.720 September, like, like had been, uh, said before. Megan, how can people follow your, uh, reporting?

00:13:43.320 Where do they go on social media? Where do they go over at Politico? Yes, we're at politico.com and

00:13:48.740 you can find me on X. I'm just at Megan Messerley. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you. Thank you.

00:13:56.920 The Daily Mail's, the Daily Mail's U.S. editor, a blockbuster story that wasn't really tipped

00:14:03.580 yesterday, but it's the lead story in the Daily Mail. Uh, I believe it is as close in a formal

00:14:10.920 process that President Trump and the second president term has come to talk about kinetic

00:14:16.560 war. There was a briefing on Capitol Hill yesterday. I think that was done so they could get around the

00:14:24.580 war power, any imposition of the War Powers Act. This is what's happening in the Caribbean and maybe

00:14:29.740 potentially in northern Mexico against the drug cartels. With President Trump's, uh, administration,

00:14:35.240 his Department of War, being very adamant that we're at war with the cartels. And that includes

00:14:40.660 not just economic war, political war, legal, but kinetic. Lighten things up. Short commercial break.

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00:16:59.560 Okay. The Daily Mail is the largest, I think, paper in the world. It's the most read website. They have

00:17:06.060 a massive U.S. operation, plus U.K. and the world. It's something we go to a lot because they're very

00:17:11.700 quick at breaking important news. And you can kind of tell by the traffic they get on certain stories

00:17:17.920 what drives the news cycle and what doesn't. I'll be honest, kind of a shocking story today,

00:17:23.100 a scoop getting from Ross Ibbotson, the editor, U.S. editor of the Daily Mail.

00:17:29.500 This headline is the story that the senior executives from the Department of War went to Capitol Hill

00:17:38.140 yesterday with others to brief Congress on what they're calling a beginning of a kinetic war

00:17:45.440 against cartels. And those cartels would be from South America, basically,

00:17:50.280 seems like Venezuela, all the way up through Mexico. Is that what you're reporting showing?

00:17:55.940 Correct, Steve. We're reporting that they've declared war on these drugs cartels,

00:18:00.400 and they are citing international war, calling it a non-international armed conflict,

00:18:08.880 which basically says these are non-state actors, but we're at war with them because

00:18:14.020 they represent a deadly risk to United States citizens.

00:18:18.920 So this would not be something I would think that the Trump administration, given the way

00:18:27.760 they're rolling, on their interpretation of Article II powers, of which we're a huge advocate of,

00:18:32.600 the very aggressive President Trump's approach on Article II, on his Article II powers,

00:18:37.660 particularly as commander-in-chief. Was this requested by people on the Hill? Did Pete Hex and

00:18:43.060 these guys volunteer? Did Stephen Miller volunteer? I mean, how did this even come about?

00:18:47.200 Well, that's not actually clear yet. The White House hasn't responded to my request or comment

00:18:54.440 on that yet. But it does follow complaints by Democratic and also some Republican lawmakers

00:19:00.400 that these strikes require the ascension of Congress under the War Powers Act, although that has been

00:19:10.260 ignored on numerous occasions before, including by Barack Obama in Libya and Bill Clinton in Kosovo.

00:19:18.540 But yes, it does appear that the Trump administration is trying to provide an ironclad

00:19:23.740 legal framework where they can push forward with this military action, basically, against the cartels from South America.

00:19:31.540 And this, I guess, was driven by the fact that we do have an amphibious readiness group

00:19:38.820 in the Caribbean, off the coast of Venezuela, and we have 4,000 fleet Marines that are there.

00:19:46.240 Is that what drove this? Plus, they've taken out, I think, three different vessels now

00:19:50.240 over a period of a couple of weeks. Is that what the primary concern was and why they went in there

00:19:55.180 and want to get ahead of this?

00:19:56.940 Yeah, I think so, because Congress has been raging about the, as you say, the three strikes last month,

00:20:01.680 all of them deadly. One of them was against Trem de Aragua. The other two weren't specified.

00:20:08.820 And in their memo to lawmakers that didn't specify any particular terrorist organization,

00:20:17.160 we're asking for clarification on that. And it doesn't name Venezuela either. I suppose they're

00:20:22.840 concerned that they would be concerned about naming Venezuela. They obviously don't want to get

00:20:27.580 drawn into a broader conflict here. But as we know, Trem de Aragua is the notorious cartel which

00:20:35.800 took over apartment buildings in the US, so certainly seem to be using force on American soil,

00:20:43.340 although Democratic lawmakers say that the trafficking of drugs doesn't constitute use of force.

00:20:52.840 So they've said, hey, it's Venezuela, but they're not, they're not, quote unquote,

00:20:58.580 going after Venezuela. They're going after a drug cartel that's a non-state actor. We're at war with

00:21:05.240 these non-state actors, whether it's Trem de Aragua in Venezuela or the Sinaloa cartel in northern

00:21:11.720 Mexico. But we're going to war, and in this case, kinetic, against these drug cartels. Is that

00:21:18.300 essentially the case that the Trump administration is making? Exactly. Yeah. They're not singling out

00:21:23.460 any particular cartel, but they're saying that because fentanyl is so deadly, it kills thousands

00:21:29.060 of Americans, that they're justified in their use of basically wartime deadly force against these 0.94

00:21:38.080 groups. Now, they said that they previously called it self-defense, but this memo to Congress appears to

00:21:45.760 go further, where they're saying these attacks on the boats are not isolated, but they're consistent

00:21:50.260 with a sustained active conflict. And they say that because these groups are so sophisticated,

00:21:57.460 they're so well armed, that they're able to act with impunity without the use of military force.

00:22:03.760 So as we've seen, they've been using drones to carry out these strikes, much to the annoyance of the

00:22:12.460 more liberal lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

00:22:19.620 So Rick Grinnell and Marco Rubio, Secretary of State Rubio, have kind of been at this with

00:22:24.160 Grinnell basically positing there's a diplomatic way or negotiated way, particularly around the

00:22:30.440 resources down there and American companies and involvement to get around this. What does your

00:22:35.660 reporting show you that how much of this was driven by Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, who seemed to

00:22:41.940 take a big interest in this and is on Fox all the time, I think kind of teeing up like you teed up

00:22:48.240 the Iraq invasion, teeing up a actual military invasion of Venezuela. How big a part of this briefing

00:22:54.640 was either Marco Rubio or his deputies over at the State Department?

00:22:59.860 I'm not, I'm not sure as to what Rubio's involvement would have been in it, to be honest, Steve.

00:23:05.960 I don't have that.

00:23:09.320 Did, did, what's the, did you get any feedback? The White House has not commented on this.

00:23:13.860 What feedback did you get, although, and not commenting on it, they haven't come out and denied it.

00:23:18.700 What, what feedback are you getting from Capitol Hill about the presentation itself?

00:23:22.120 Well, the White House hasn't, didn't, didn't get back to us, but they have, they have reiterated

00:23:30.680 their position, I think, to the New York Times, and they're saying that this is it, this is in

00:23:34.860 in line with the law, but like pretty vague. I kind of get the sense that some of them were caught

00:23:40.340 a little bit by surprise today, and they weren't exactly abreast of what the Pentagon was doing on

00:23:46.680 Capitol Hill yesterday. But yeah, that remains to be kind of, to be worked out, still trying to

00:23:52.020 piece that together. I'm not really sure.

00:23:56.280 Ross, where do people follow you to, we always send people to the Daily Mail every day, but

00:24:01.120 where do people, this story is very big, and it's quite controversial. There are, there's

00:24:05.800 not an insignificant amount of the MAGA movement that's saying, hey, hang on, we, we got to

00:24:10.240 take care of the drug cartels. Maybe fentanyl is coming up more through Mexico, and we ought

00:24:14.500 to be taking care of the Mexican cartels, and their partners in the Chinese Communist Party,

00:24:17.760 then down in Venezuela, worried about cocaine in Maduro. But, so this is going to be very

00:24:23.280 controversial for, not just between Democrats and Republicans, or between the House and

00:24:28.940 the, in the White House, but also internally to the, to the MAGA movement. Where do people

00:24:33.340 go? What's your social media? Where do people go to follow this more?

00:24:35.920 So, obviously, DailyMail.com, but also, but just by searching my name, Ross Ederson, on

00:24:41.080 Twitter and Instagram as well. Thanks very much, Steve, for having me, by the way.

00:24:46.680 Ross, thank you so much. Keep, uh, Daily Mail is a must-read every day.

00:24:52.700 Um, this is why I think yesterday, uh, was so, it was historic, obviously, in the fact that

00:25:00.160 everybody came together, every flag officer came together, which we've never done since

00:25:06.220 the founding of the Republic. Um, it wasn't, and Pete's talk at the beginning, I think,

00:25:12.380 was necessary and had to be done, and obviously very serious, a different, uh, and particularly

00:25:16.320 his, his focus on the, was it ferocity and precision, the way the American military is going

00:25:23.140 to fight wars and win wars. We're not in this just to play patty cake or play defense, or,

00:25:27.880 as President Trump said, no games. But I felt that the President's speech, and the President

00:25:34.640 covered a number of topics there, and obviously his haters were very critical, although I thought

00:25:39.320 it was a historic speech, and I thought it was a historic speech because the buried lead

00:25:42.600 had to deal with, uh, what happened in Portland last night with the National Guard, what happened

00:25:48.240 in Memphis yesterday with the Attorney General, uh, the Secretary of War, and, uh, President Trump's

00:25:53.640 chief advisor on domestic policy, Stephen Miller, who's also very involved

00:25:57.340 in national security because now it comes here, and President Trump's saying,

00:26:01.520 hey, we got to worry about the evasion here, enemies within, uh, that the military is going

00:26:05.920 to be called out for, uh, and under emergency measures. Part of that's obviously, uh, this,

00:26:11.740 this war against the cartels, which we've advocated very strongly for from the beginning.

00:26:17.100 In fact, uh, when they sent the troops down to secure the southern border, which they've done

00:26:20.700 so magnificently and needed to be done for years and years and years, uh, we said when,

00:26:25.940 remember they had the, the 10 or 15,000 back in, I think, April or May, we felt at the time

00:26:31.740 there'd be a perfect time to put Mexico on notice and go do a kinetic strike, uh, with 0.98

00:26:36.760 the labs, particularly the fentanyl labs, which are just sitting there in northern Mexico as

00:26:40.440 easy targets. Uh, they did have, uh, they did have, I think it was CNN had a, uh, one of the

00:26:46.580 cartel members on for an interview last night. And he said, Hey, it's so much harder to get

00:26:50.000 drugs here to hear our human trafficking. Now that president Trump's in charge. I mean,

00:26:54.140 they admitted it's tough. They would seem to be the likely targets, right? Because particularly

00:26:59.360 they're actively in business with the Chinese communist party on the fentanyl trade. Now

00:27:03.100 in Latin America, you know, Maduro is a bad guy. The people around him are bad guys. But when you

00:27:09.020 have a amphibious readiness group down there, that's a different level. I mean, that is like

00:27:13.700 big time kinetic warfare. You got 4,000 sailors and Marines. You got a bunch of fleet Marines.

00:27:18.440 You got people ready to go hit the beach if necessary. And of course, yesterday, and we

00:27:23.200 still don't know Ross's, Ross's thing. I think he said it was, you can imply that people in Capitol

00:27:28.120 Hill are nervous and president Trump wants to make sure that there's no, uh, coming and trying to chop

00:27:33.620 block going to court to stop this. He wants to get ahead of it. And so huge news that they basically

00:27:39.580 said, we have declared war on the drug cartels from Latin America. It looks like all the way up to

00:27:46.020 Mexico. And, uh, you heard Pete Hegseth tell him when we go to war, we go with a ferocity and precision

00:27:52.700 to go in and fight it and end it. So people should, uh, I think, uh, stand by for some, uh, kinetic

00:28:00.780 activity around the war on the cartels. Want to thank Ross Ibbotson and the Daily Mail for joining us.

00:28:06.820 Short commercial break. Phillip Patrick, gold is on fire. The question is, why is it on fire?

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00:30:41.140 Uh, so, um, I think I had you on here last time, Philip Patrick. Goal was at 37. No, I'm just

00:30:48.860 kidding. Uh, what you did though on the Saturday show, I've gotten tons of feedback and I want

00:30:54.000 to go back through that. And here's the reason. As we've been covering this with you for four

00:30:58.620 years now, the end of the dollar empire and the pressure on the dollar, the budget deficits,

00:31:03.120 all that. Goal was at 1100, today through 3900, but every day kind of goes up, backs off a little

00:31:08.740 bit, then goes up some more. I tell people it's the process, not the, not the price. You brought up

00:31:15.300 something last week about the central banks, particularly given, and folks, this is driven,

00:31:20.800 always driven by war. Given the economic warfare component of the war with Ukraine and Russia,

00:31:27.200 that the $350 billion in assets that essentially the West is going to steal because France and

00:31:34.860 Germany and England don't, and Italy don't have any money to put up for Ukrainian defense. And

00:31:39.560 Zelensky is talking about 90 to a hundred billion dollar arms deals. They're going to take the

00:31:43.740 Russians money that were in these money center banks. And it's basically all in Euro that the 0.58

00:31:49.000 central banks now are saying, well, hang on for a second. Should I reserves just be Euro or dollars,

00:31:54.100 or maybe we should add something and they're adding gold. And this is one of the reasons they're

00:31:57.440 buying at record rates besides the bilateral trade deals you talked about on the de-dollarization

00:32:02.560 movement. I've got an article, if Mo and Grace can get it up. There's a Bloomberg article

00:32:07.260 that mentions the fact, I think there's 17,000, is it 17,000 hedge funds in the United States?

00:32:18.440 And there are only 14,000 McDonald's. There's more hedge funds than McDonald's.

00:32:22.420 One thing I can tell you, knowing a bunch of hedge fund guys, and they never did this in

00:32:26.760 the past, part of the money that they, because they draw down, they don't get all the cash

00:32:32.360 from people. They raise a billion dollars. You don't get the billion dollars. You do it

00:32:35.320 on calls on deals. They're putting a bunch of their kind of reserves or what they're sitting

00:32:39.900 on in gold. Hedge funds, and particularly as they multiply so much, there's only so many

00:32:45.420 investment opportunities. They're buying gold and seeing on that. And of course, it's had a

00:32:50.140 historic run. This is another fundamental structural change, potentially, to the demand

00:32:56.420 side for gold. Philip Patrick, your thoughts?

00:33:00.040 Yeah. I mean, there was a lot to unpack there. So first of all, as you rightly point out, what

00:33:04.780 we've been doing, and it was predominantly the previous administration, you mentioned weaponizing

00:33:08.860 our dollar against Russia. We have disincentivized the world through policy to hold the dollar,

00:33:15.780 through weaponizing it against Russia. If I'm China, that's a concern to me, right? I want 0.99

00:33:21.300 to diversify. But also through devaluation of currency as well. One of the benefits of

00:33:26.980 the US dollar relative to other currencies was stability. It was that, along with the petrodollar

00:33:33.180 that cemented our position as global reserve. With huge money printing, massive quantitative

00:33:38.520 easing, that stability argument's gone out the window. And I think the world are waking

00:33:43.660 up and de-dollarizing at a rapid pace. And it is not slowing down at all. Gold buying set

00:33:51.280 another record for the third quarter of this year by central banks on the back of a six-month

00:33:57.560 record in the first six months of this year. As we've said on the show, we mentioned on the

00:34:02.140 Saturday show as well, gold has now become the number two global reserve asset. It's 20%

00:34:09.940 of global reserve currency today. It takes up a larger share than US debt, which we haven't seen

00:34:17.780 in a long time. But as I mentioned, I think this is a trend that's going to continue. I think we're

00:34:22.820 reverting back to where we used to be in the 80s, where gold was about 70% of global reserve. Ultimately,

00:34:30.500 I think the trust has been broken. And it's just one drama after another after another. Now we have a

00:34:37.360 government shutdown. I mean, trust has been broken, and the world's waking up.

00:34:44.520 Do you think this, the 80s is when the kickoff for massive globalization, do you think this is a

00:34:49.940 leading indicator that we're going to live in a post-globalization world with supply chains,

00:34:54.820 everything that people are going to be, as we've been advocating, I mean, we're a huge advocator of

00:34:59.220 it. But is this gold now going back and looking like it could be, I mean, 20% is shocking, I think.

00:35:07.360 But do you think it could get to 30%, 40%, 50%?

00:35:11.040 I think not only it could, I think it will. The trajectory, look, something dramatic is going

00:35:16.900 to happen domestically to make the dollar look attractive again. It's going to take a miracle,

00:35:22.500 right? Right now, I just don't see it on the horizon. So where does it end? I don't see China

00:35:28.400 reverting back to trading in US dollars again. I don't see Russia, sorry. I don't see China

00:35:35.280 increasing dollar reserves. I see them reducing significantly. 50% of China's transactions now

00:35:41.520 internationally bypass the dollar. They are in yuan. That was unheard of. So yes, I think this is a

00:35:48.300 trend that's going to continue. And you rightly point out, I think what we've been seeing,

00:35:54.180 this has been happening for a while, but the end of this sort of post-World War II era of

00:35:59.360 globalization. And I think when the trust disappears, trust in money disappears, central

00:36:04.980 banks turn back to gold. And as you rightly point out, we're seeing things that we just would never

00:36:10.860 have predicted a few years ago. Huge institutional demand, not only from central banks, but from

00:36:17.480 investment firms, from PE funds. They weren't looking. They were looking for returns three,

00:36:22.700 four, five years ago. You didn't consider gold for that. Today you do. So you put it as a structural

00:36:29.120 change. And I think it's the best way to put it, a reversion perhaps.

00:36:35.620 What, how do people work? Now we've got end of the dollar empire. We're coming at,

00:36:40.380 we got seven free installments. We're doing a physical copy of it. We're going to do hopefully

00:36:44.000 some events this fall. We're coming out with eight and nine, really off. Eight is going to really be

00:36:49.100 off your guys reporting of the rear reset in the, in the, in the bilateral deals.

00:36:54.800 What do you tell people now when they come and say, Hey, I I've never done physical gold before.

00:36:59.560 You know, I'm not a gold bug. And I keep saying, uh, Ray Dahlia, Steve Bannon and Philip Patrick

00:37:04.500 and our gold bugs. I was never, I mean, I was, came out of Harvard to Goldman Sachs. If you talked

00:37:09.480 about gold, they thought you're a wing nut, right? Investment banking in the eighties, nineties,

00:37:14.420 and the double aughts were, were all about, uh, globalization, all about maximum maximization

00:37:20.340 of shareholder value. And gold was looked at as an archaic relic from a time going by,

00:37:26.240 right from a time going by. And now it's such a key asset for central banks. And that asset,

00:37:32.500 that asset shift, particularly reserves is not just shocking. It's a wake up call and people

00:37:37.920 ought to focus on that. Um, so what do you tell clients when they come to you today? Cause I want

00:37:42.400 to make sure as many people, we never tell you to buy gold here. Okay. It's not our job to do that.

00:37:47.840 What we try to do is give you access to information so that you can learn yourself what the pattern

00:37:52.640 recognition is. But what are you telling people now when they, when they come to you, how should

00:37:56.780 they think about this? Listen, first of all, the end of the dollar empire series, I don't think

00:38:02.360 has ever been as pertinent as it is today. So first of all, everybody needs to read that.

00:38:08.220 Then they're going to have an understanding of why we have the bubbles we have, why the debt has

00:38:13.700 exploded, how the federal reserve are culpable. That's going to give them understanding of the

00:38:18.340 big problem, debt, deficit spending, borrowing costs. In understanding that in the context of

00:38:25.340 history, I don't need to tell anyone to buy gold, right? They just need to understand the issues.

00:38:30.780 And I think ultimately they'll lead themselves there. So contact us. It's birksgold.com

00:38:36.380 forward slash Bannon, get the information, read it. If you need anything from there, we're here,

00:38:42.700 call us. You'll have people like myself that are there to guide you through, explain everything,

00:38:48.180 but you have to get reading. It has never been more important than it is today ever. So birksgold.com

00:38:55.420 forward slash Bannon, and just immerse yourself in the information because if you do, and if you can

00:39:01.220 understand it, the solutions will present themselves.

00:39:06.780 You know, we just had Ross Ibbotson, the editor, the U.S. editor for Daily Mail, and you could tell

00:39:11.320 a pretty button-up guy's hair is not on fire. When they're reporting that the Trump administration

00:39:16.620 is on the Hill to kind of make sure they're ahead of any kind of claim of the War Powers Act,

00:39:22.220 but they're saying, we are in a kinetic war with the cartels, and we're going to ramp it up.

00:39:28.100 That tells you that geopolitically, we live in an age of uncertainty. Now, President Trump's

00:39:33.720 mindset is, I'm going to take care of this now. I'm not going to wait. We're not kicking the can

00:39:38.640 down the road. People have BSed us enough. The only thing they understand is force,

00:39:42.520 and I'm going to deliver it. But I will tell you, the geopolitical risk, when you look at the risk

00:39:47.620 calculation, increases every day. As President Trump tries to change the global commercial

00:39:53.220 relationships, right, and also geopolitically, right, these kinetic wars on the Eurasian landmass,

00:39:59.980 now you've got them here in the Western Hemisphere. Folks, you know, we don't know how this is going to

00:40:05.840 turn out. President Trump, I think, has a very well-thought-through plan, as we try to reiterate

00:40:09.820 every day, but the law of unintended consequences. That's why the geopolitical risk, Philip, on top of

00:40:16.560 what's happening in the world's capital markets and financial markets about the attraction to gold,

00:40:21.260 part of that is not just the weaponization of the U.S. dollar, right, of which, by the way, I've been

00:40:26.760 an advocate of, if done smartly, right, but I think some of the nations of the world are saying, hey,

00:40:31.340 we want to be out of the American sphere. We don't trust MAGA. We don't trust Trump. We just don't

00:40:35.420 trust the Americans overall. The other is this situation now with the cartels. When President Trump

00:40:40.140 goes to Capitol Hill and makes a detailed presentation and basically tells them, we're at war,

00:40:45.060 we're at kinetic war, we're not going to tone it down, we're actually going to ramp it up,

00:40:49.160 that's when I think people got to sit there and go, okay, maybe I'm looking for a hedge for times

00:40:54.940 of financial turbulence for a while, because it's not going to get less turbulent. You saw that in

00:41:00.040 Portland last night. You've seen this in the presentation we covered live in Memphis, Tennessee.

00:41:05.040 You heard today about this talk in Chicago, and now we know on Capitol Hill, they're going to war

00:41:09.940 with the cartels, or according to the Trump administration, we're at war already with the cartels.

00:41:15.320 Philip Patrick, leave you on geopolitical risk. Thank you for being with us. Where do people go one

00:41:20.400 more time to get you, sir? Really simple, birchgold.com forward slash Bannon. Again,

00:41:26.320 birchgold.com forward slash Bannon, or they can reach me at Philip Patrick on Getter.

00:41:31.760 Thank you, sir. I appreciate you. Thank you, Steve. Great sponsors. Allowed us to do,

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00:41:54.900 special, we're going to have a very special war room presentation with Real America's Voice

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00:42:06.820 at the prayer vigil at the Kennedy Center for Charlie Kirk. Then the following week, we had the amazing

00:42:11.640 memorial service this Sunday from 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time to 5 p.m. I'll be hosting a special

00:42:20.300 on Real America's Voice here for those seven hours, dealing with the 250th, essentially,

00:42:26.040 anniversary of the birth of the United States Navy. President Trump is going to actually go

00:42:31.120 participate, I think, in some naval exercises off the coast of Virginia. And I can tell you,

00:42:36.620 I think they're going to be amazing. So we've got Jack Posobiec is going to be involved in this.

00:42:41.460 We've got the entire Real America's Voice team. Of course, the war room. I'm going to have all

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00:43:03.200 my hometown, I guess where I was born. I guess my hometown is Richmond, where I was born,

00:43:08.280 right near the naval base in Norfolk, in beautiful Ocean View, Virginia. President Trump's going to

00:43:15.480 go there. He's going to go out to the fleet. He's going to spend the day, early part of the day,

00:43:19.080 afternoon with the fleet and fleet operations. Then he's going to come back and address a crowd

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00:44:52.020 I also want to go back and talk about President Trump and what he's taken on. I mean, it's seven

00:45:02.380 days a week. Charlie Kirk flies out, does a great speech. He sits there and watches everybody,

00:45:09.060 watches the event, was there for at least half of the event, flies back, don't get back to the

00:45:13.580 middle of the night. Next day, hitting it. Next day, I think they had the Bobby Kennedy,

00:45:18.020 the situation. Just every day, it's the scale of it, the urgency of it, and the scope of it is

00:45:22.920 unprecedented. Even journalists I know that are not fans of his are saying there's never been a

00:45:30.300 presidency like this in nine months, ever. This is more intense than FDRs, much more intense,

00:45:35.820 not just because of social media. What he's doing is so monumental. Is all of it perfect? No. Do you

00:45:43.020 love all of it? No. But the 90% that you love is just, it's unprecedented. Now, this naval exercise,

00:45:51.080 this is another thing, all day Sunday. He never takes a day off. Remember, he doesn't drink. He's

00:45:57.140 never done drugs. He basically works. This is one of the things I was most impressed when I first got

00:46:05.140 to really know him and work side by side or work for him. It is one of the most intense work

00:46:11.040 experiences you should ever see. He is always on. And these aren't small problems. Remember,

00:46:15.760 any tiny problem, any solve a problem, it doesn't get to the Oval Office.

00:46:20.140 What he's doing now is Herculean. It's every major, massive issue in this country

00:46:26.840 and in the world. Changing the world order, he is. The post-war international rules-based order

00:46:33.420 will never revert back to the globalization. Are the globalists still going to fight us? Are they

00:46:38.740 still going to fight us? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's never, it ain't over until it's over.

00:46:45.400 But what he's doing, then when they came to us the other day and posted it, it's going to,

00:46:48.680 and I said Sunday, and I love it. It's so great. It's such a way to honor the Navy.

00:46:53.420 And they're doing it a little short of the 250th anniversary, but it's just so amazing. And this is

00:46:58.460 the way he thinks. He wants to do something special. He wants to honor the Navy and the traditions and

00:47:03.100 customs of the Navy. And as you know, the Navy and the Marine Corps are so custom and tradition

00:47:09.120 because it came kind of from, we were sprung from the Royal Navy, people that had, you know,

00:47:14.740 been associated with it. And the customs and traditions there and the Royal Marines the same

00:47:20.040 way. That's why the United States Marine Corps and the United States Navy are the way they are.

00:47:24.160 And for him to take an entire day and no rest, and this is going to be incredible. And he's in

00:47:31.420 the middle of it. And I think that his enemies sit there and criticize him, but they're overwhelmed by

00:47:37.660 it. One of the reasons they can't stop it, it's a force of nature. It's a force of nature.

00:47:43.980 I'm telling you, like General Washington and Lincoln, and I say this not as a Trump guy and work

00:47:49.940 for Trump and a MAGA guy. It's not that. It's the cold observance of history. He's the third in line

00:47:58.620 of the great world historical figures we had. And people say, you've got to include FDR in that.

00:48:03.200 I don't. Those three are at a different level. General Washington at the birth of the nation,

00:48:11.220 Abraham Lincoln at the rebirth of the nation, and President Trump at the rejuvenation

00:48:15.180 of this country, in the salvation of this country, of what we had, a constitutional republic,

00:48:21.000 based upon the values of the Judeo-Christian West and really an American civilization.

00:48:29.180 That's what he's fighting for. And he's leaving it all in the field, all of it. I've never seen

00:48:35.040 anything like it. If you look at the pressure, you look at the intensity, you look at these issues.

00:48:39.200 I mean, on an off day, he's negotiating. On an off day for him, he's negotiating the government

00:48:44.100 shutdown with clowns like Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer. I mean, come on. It's a clown show. 0.98

00:48:51.620 Unbelievable. So all day, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Sunday, and it will be so special. You're going

00:48:56.600 to want to see it. Of course, we're going to tee it up on Saturday. The Saturday show will be Jack

00:49:00.820 Posobiec will be with the president, and I'll be anchoring the broadcast, and we're going to have

00:49:06.880 tons of gas. You're not going to want to miss it. Plus, I think you're going to see some guns,

00:49:13.660 some missiles, some jets. I think we're going to have some activity. President Trump's going to

00:49:19.240 basically do Teddy Roosevelt. Go review the fleet, and it's just incredible. I couldn't be prouder.

00:49:24.940 Mike Lindell. Brother, people are so impressed when they sit there and go, Mike, if you could grovel

00:49:31.060 and go to systematic and say, hey, I didn't mean it. I was just kidding. And they would say, fine,

00:49:35.520 no harm, no foul. Let's move on. You're not going to do that, are you, sir?

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Bannon's War Room - October 02, 2025

Episode 4823： Where To Turn Following ACIP's Vaccine Recommendations; War With The Cartel

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